:00:00. > :00:00.Now on BBC News, Jo Coburn presents Election Questions,
:00:00. > :00:08.as a studio audience debates the issues of the 2017
:00:09. > :00:20.General Election with Paul Nuttall, leader of UKIP.
:00:21. > :00:28.Welcome to Bristol. You are watching a special election programme,
:00:29. > :00:32.Election Questions. Our studio audience will be putting their
:00:33. > :00:41.questions to the leader of the UKIP independence Dharma party, please
:00:42. > :00:49.welcome, Paul Nuttall. -- UKIP Party. I will start with the same
:00:50. > :00:54.question I put to Jonathan Bartley just a short while ago. That is your
:00:55. > :00:58.response to what Theresa May has said in light of the events last
:00:59. > :01:01.night, the shocking events on the streets of London, that she thinks
:01:02. > :01:04.the country needs to have a completely different approach to
:01:05. > :01:13.extremism and terrorism. Do you agree with that? Yes. It is
:01:14. > :01:18.interesting to hear Theresa May finally identifying what the problem
:01:19. > :01:22.is. Politician after politician in this country has refused to accept
:01:23. > :01:31.that the problem is Islamist ideology. It is not about Muslims.
:01:32. > :01:36.It is a political ideology, one of violence. I was glad to hear Theresa
:01:37. > :01:41.May today speaking about Islamist extremism. That is the heart of the
:01:42. > :01:45.problem. What are you proposing in concrete terms? Firstly, we need to
:01:46. > :01:49.make sure there are more police officers on the beat. We want 20,000
:01:50. > :01:55.more police officers because we believe community policing is
:01:56. > :02:00.important. People are more likely to pass on information to police in the
:02:01. > :02:06.local community. We need the Muslim committee itself signing up to the
:02:07. > :02:12.Prevent programme, but only one in eight referrals at the moment come
:02:13. > :02:17.from Muslim people. You support Prevent? Yes. There is a breakdown
:02:18. > :02:23.of trust. And finally, we have to look at the Saudi funding of
:02:24. > :02:26.mosques. Saudi Arabia basically spread hatred and radicalism and
:02:27. > :02:32.violence around the globe and we have to look at mosques in this
:02:33. > :02:38.country being funded by Saudis and Qataris. The first question from
:02:39. > :02:43.James. You said detention without trial should be considered for
:02:44. > :02:49.terror suspects. Is that not fundamentally against the system of
:02:50. > :02:55.British justice? What I said is that nothing should be taken off the
:02:56. > :03:02.table. I also spoke about a return to control orders and tagging. The
:03:03. > :03:05.safety of British civilians, last night, Manchester, and indeed the
:03:06. > :03:16.Westminster attack, proves this. It is more important than the human
:03:17. > :03:20.rights of any would-be Jihadi. We have to accept we are in a different
:03:21. > :03:25.world. This is a dangerous society. There are a small group of people in
:03:26. > :03:30.this country, and it is small, who hate the way we live, he too we are,
:03:31. > :03:33.and want to destroy our democracy. The Muslim community itself are
:03:34. > :03:38.victims here. Be the majority of Muslims are peaceful. They add to
:03:39. > :03:47.our culture and they add to our economy. But there is a small
:03:48. > :03:55.number, and I have called it, radical Islam, it is a cancer. A
:03:56. > :04:02.gentle man in the front row. Hello. What is your attitude to groups of
:04:03. > :04:06.young Islamic men wandering around telling people what to do,
:04:07. > :04:10.basically? It should be made perfectly clear that there is one
:04:11. > :04:15.law in this country and that is British law. And people should sign
:04:16. > :04:21.up to British values and the British way of life. Fracker
:04:22. > :04:29.-- Period. It should simply not be accepted in British society and
:04:30. > :04:37.these people should be told loud and clear there is one rule and law you
:04:38. > :04:43.sign up to in this country. If you break the law, you go to jail. What
:04:44. > :04:46.is different? Telling these people to cover-up, they are not
:04:47. > :04:51.necessarily breaking the law. However they need to be told and it
:04:52. > :04:57.needs to be made clear you are in Britain. Anti-internment is the
:04:58. > :05:00.answer? I did not say that. Actually, I also mentioned
:05:01. > :05:06.waterboarding by the way. I mentioned waterboarding in the case
:05:07. > :05:10.there was going to be an imminent terrorist attack. If we need
:05:11. > :05:15.information quickly, I will not take anything off the table to make sure
:05:16. > :05:21.British women, men, and children, are kept safe. Is that extreme? I
:05:22. > :05:24.tell you what is extreme, people going to the Manchester Arena and
:05:25. > :05:30.blowing themselves up with a mail bomb and killing 22 women and
:05:31. > :05:34.children. What will you do to prevent it? Someone driving a van
:05:35. > :05:38.last night down Westminster Bridge and mowing people over. That is the
:05:39. > :05:45.problem and that is what is extreme. The lady at the front. Hello. I
:05:46. > :05:51.think it is notable you are attempting to distinguish between
:05:52. > :06:00.Islamic and Islamism and thank you for putting that in the narrative.
:06:01. > :06:05.But your overrev -- overdependence on Prevent, etc. How do you
:06:06. > :06:14.distinguish... You talked about banning the Burka. You are not
:06:15. > :06:18.drawing a distinction. It is about integration. One thing is clear in
:06:19. > :06:29.this country driven by reports by Trevor Phillips and so on. We are
:06:30. > :06:34.becoming a more divided society... It is to do with your rhetoric. It
:06:35. > :06:40.is not. It is the failed ideology of multiculturalism. That is a problem
:06:41. > :06:47.where communities are encouraged to live beside each other but never
:06:48. > :06:53.have to mix. It cannot be right that 22% of Muslim women in Britain speak
:06:54. > :06:58.very little English or none at all. What about face coverings and
:06:59. > :07:04.banning them. We don't want to ban just the Burka and kneecap, it
:07:05. > :07:10.should be face coverings in general. -- Niqab. As for those, I would
:07:11. > :07:14.argue two things, wind, it is about security. There are numerous
:07:15. > :07:20.examples of people escaping after terrorist attacks or the killings
:07:21. > :07:25.wearing these kinds of things. Whether we like it or not, we are
:07:26. > :07:31.the most watched people in the world. We have the most CCTV in the
:07:32. > :07:36.world. For that to work, you need to be able to see your face. To enjoy
:07:37. > :07:43.British society and communicate properly, you have to be prepared to
:07:44. > :07:49.show your face. How does Prevent integrate... Another question. In
:07:50. > :07:53.France, they banned the Burka and have suffered terrible terror
:07:54. > :07:58.incidents. Prevent has been criticised for alienating
:07:59. > :08:01.communities. I wonder if your rhetoric and the way you speak about
:08:02. > :08:06.Islamic is in itself inciting radicalisation. I know if I was a
:08:07. > :08:09.Muslim sitting in this audience, I would not feel particularly
:08:10. > :08:17.comfortable with some of the things you are saying. Actually, I am not
:08:18. > :08:21.saying anything negative about Islam, but Islamism. It is that
:08:22. > :08:26.which breeds these people who hate us and want to kill us, right? We
:08:27. > :08:32.have to do something about it. What should we do? Islamism is not
:08:33. > :08:37.welcome in Britain. We will no longer turn a blind eye to it. I was
:08:38. > :08:41.glad to hear Theresa May finally say enough is enough. We cannot allow
:08:42. > :08:48.this to continue. We have to cut this out. That means more police on
:08:49. > :08:52.the streets. It means... Radicalisation is rife within
:08:53. > :08:57.prisons. It means putting more prison officers, 7000 more prison
:08:58. > :09:01.officers, 4000 more border guards. We have to make sure I wrote people
:09:02. > :09:06.are safe. In the comment from the man in the middle. -- our own
:09:07. > :09:17.people. The integration policy. You mentioned we are at the point where
:09:18. > :09:25.six perpetrator gangs are grooming young girls. All of these young
:09:26. > :09:29.girls and all of these grooming gangs, they are almost always from a
:09:30. > :09:34.particular section of the community, that is, Packer Sunni Muslims. You
:09:35. > :09:40.are right. That is because of political correctness. -- Pakistani.
:09:41. > :09:45.All the political parties and local authorities have turned a blind eye
:09:46. > :09:50.to this Forfar too long. We end up in a situation like Rotherham where
:09:51. > :09:56.we have 1400 girls who have been groomed or raped, terrible things.
:09:57. > :10:00.The fact is, because of political correctness, we have said nothing
:10:01. > :10:06.and have turned a blind eye. I would argue that religion and race in
:10:07. > :10:11.these circumstances should be an aggravating factor when these cases
:10:12. > :10:14.go to court. These people have been through the criminal justice system
:10:15. > :10:19.and were convicted in the cases. What further do you want to do? You
:10:20. > :10:26.want to make their religion... Religion and race in other cases are
:10:27. > :10:33.an aggravating factor. These girls are being picked generally because
:10:34. > :10:37.they are Hindu etc. But they are predominately white and Christian.
:10:38. > :10:43.They are not being groomed within the Muslim committee. The gentle man
:10:44. > :10:50.in the hat. I am Kamal Mohammed. You can guess my religion. On behalf of
:10:51. > :11:02.the Sudanese community, we condemn the horrible attack in London last
:11:03. > :11:05.night. They do not represent us. I am glad to hear you talking
:11:06. > :11:12.positively about the Muslim committee. But you also talk about
:11:13. > :11:20.trust. Building trust with the Muslim community in order to tackle
:11:21. > :11:26.extremism. You like figures and numbers. There was a recent bit of
:11:27. > :11:30.research from Bristol university saying if you are a qualified Muslim
:11:31. > :11:36.with a degree, you have three times less chance to get a job than a
:11:37. > :11:44.white person. And that is the research. What can you do to tackle
:11:45. > :11:54.institutional racism? If you want to build trust between us, how will you
:11:55. > :11:59.tackle institutional racism? Well, I am not aware of that piece of
:12:00. > :12:08.research. If it is correct, then it is an. Another statistic. 16%...
:12:09. > :12:14.Answer the question. How would you deal with people who feel
:12:15. > :12:19.marginalised? This is about bringing people together. Telling Muslim
:12:20. > :12:23.women to not wear face coverings will help that? Yet We can see faces
:12:24. > :12:30.and communicate properly. What I also want to say is the other
:12:31. > :12:36.statistic on this is 58% of Muslim women are economically inactive.
:12:37. > :12:44.Because you are not giving them jobs. That is all it is. I would
:12:45. > :12:48.argue in a sense you are probably right to a point, but there is also
:12:49. > :12:53.the issue around integration and Muslim women being willing to put
:12:54. > :13:00.themselves forward for jobs. And, again, the face coverings are
:13:01. > :13:07.stopping them getting jobs. This research was conducted by the BBC
:13:08. > :13:19.and the university of Bristol. I would invite you to look at it. The
:13:20. > :13:24.next question. Umm, do UKIP and your general rhetoric and policy, do you
:13:25. > :13:31.have responsibility for the rise of UK terrorism? And was it a sincere
:13:32. > :13:37.and appropriate gesture to be the only party who did not suspend
:13:38. > :13:44.election campaigning following the attack last night? Well, obviously,
:13:45. > :13:50.the Green Party did not, because you just had them on this platform as
:13:51. > :13:56.well. What I will say is it was an act of defiance. These people hate
:13:57. > :14:00.our democracy. What a great way to say you will not beat us by making
:14:01. > :14:04.sure the General Election takes place? OK? And it continues. What
:14:05. > :14:13.about the rhetoric in terms of leading to radicalisation? It is
:14:14. > :14:22.not. Radicalisation comes from Saudi Arabia and Qatar spreading Islamism
:14:23. > :14:30.throughout the world. Why did one of your MPs call Islam a death cult and
:14:31. > :14:36.a barbaric religion? Does that help community collusion? He is wrong.
:14:37. > :14:42.What I have said is extremist Islamism is the problem we have.
:14:43. > :14:47.That is the word I use. Another question. Going back to one of the
:14:48. > :14:53.issues that you brought up a moment ago in terms of religious headdress,
:14:54. > :14:58.whether or not in a separate context you think this is a practical and
:14:59. > :15:02.tangible request of a society, that they should have their face visible
:15:03. > :15:07.at all times, can you not see how bringing up these kinds of personal
:15:08. > :15:14.alienating culturally judgement of points, that it does alienate
:15:15. > :15:20.people. Let him answer. This will happen anyway. OK? It is what
:15:21. > :15:26.happened in France, Belgium, Bulgaria, the... You are the only
:15:27. > :15:30.party asking for it here. It will happen in Germany eventually. Angela
:15:31. > :15:35.Merkel is already talking about it so be it will happen in Austria in
:15:36. > :15:44.Holland. You can be on the curve or behind it. One law for all. That is
:15:45. > :15:50.what I would like in this country. While we have sharia law saying one
:15:51. > :15:53.thing and another saying another, I think you are going to have complete
:15:54. > :15:58.division forever and ever until we have one law for all. We will all
:15:59. > :16:07.know what is good, we will all know what is bad, and we will move on
:16:08. > :16:12.from there. I tend to agree. I don't agree with sharia councils and
:16:13. > :16:17.court, because there is no place for a court in this country where the
:16:18. > :16:22.word of a woman is half that of a man. We will have to move on. To be
:16:23. > :16:30.clear, there is only one law in this country. In the eyes of the judges.
:16:31. > :16:38.Just to make it clear. Can we go to the next question? Where are you's
:16:39. > :16:47.UKIP proposed to defend the NHS, yet most people that work their art
:16:48. > :16:55.immigrant. -- there are. The biggest threat to the NHS is Brexit. It is
:16:56. > :17:01.not a danger. What we would like to see is the 157,000 EU migrants
:17:02. > :17:07.working at the NHS at this current point in time, I want the government
:17:08. > :17:11.on the day it is elected, June ninth, say you provide a great job
:17:12. > :17:18.for the NHS, you are good for the economy, you can stay that it
:17:19. > :17:23.symbolised that. -- simple as that. We are the party giving the best
:17:24. > :17:27.deal for the NHS out of any. That is because we are prepared to look at
:17:28. > :17:31.other priorities. We would like to see the foreign aid budget costing
:17:32. > :17:44.the British people ?30 million every single day slashed.
:17:45. > :17:53.That money can be transferred into social care and the NHS. You say you
:17:54. > :18:01.want to cut the foreign aid budget to not .2%. That will not save what
:18:02. > :18:06.you say. It will save ?11 billion by the end of this term because it is a
:18:07. > :18:13.year on year. Even if you cut it did not .2% of GNA, that is the same
:18:14. > :18:20.level as what America was paying in the Obama administration. No one
:18:21. > :18:23.would suggest America under Obama was not charitable. It is still more
:18:24. > :18:29.than Spain and Portugal put together. I know from polling that
:18:30. > :18:36.the vast majority of people agree with us. Cut the foreign aid budget
:18:37. > :18:39.and spend the money on the NHS. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE. All the other
:18:40. > :18:48.parties have signed up to the commitment. You are talking complete
:18:49. > :18:58.rubbish. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE. Somebody talked about racism as an
:18:59. > :19:06.institution and EU represented. -- you. The health service has a huge
:19:07. > :19:11.number of people being affected by your approach to our society...
:19:12. > :19:21.Because I cut the foreign aid budget? Because you are coming
:19:22. > :19:27.across as a polemic darkness. You are talking about water boarding,
:19:28. > :19:38.Jake King is down to all lower-level and we are better than that. -- you
:19:39. > :19:45.are talking about. You are talking about protect thing British
:19:46. > :19:49.citizens. We are giving foreign aid to a country like India which is
:19:50. > :19:56.more billionaires and billionaires than ourselves. It has a space
:19:57. > :20:01.programme, nuclear weapons, aircraft carrier. I'm sorry, it charity
:20:02. > :20:09.begins at home. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE. If your policy is was so
:20:10. > :20:24.popular, why have you done so spec Taki Na Li badly in recent election.
:20:25. > :20:29.-- spec spectacular. We cut Labour 's majority in half. I said about
:20:30. > :20:34.the local elections which you were supposed to win. With the local
:20:35. > :20:41.elections we knew they were going to be the most difficult in Ukip
:20:42. > :20:49.history. We have won the war getting the referendum and Brexit. We have
:20:50. > :20:56.to be the country's insurance policy. I think Theresa May is going
:20:57. > :21:03.to win the election however I do not trust are to get a good deal for
:21:04. > :21:07.Britain going into the negotiations therefore Ukip has to be that
:21:08. > :21:14.continuing to be the guard dog of Brexit. You mentioned you have one
:21:15. > :21:27.of the world, presumably meaning Brexit. Why do we still need Ukip?
:21:28. > :21:34.Two reasons. I made one of the points. I am not convinced that
:21:35. > :21:39.whoever is Prime Minister, and I think it will be Theresa May, will
:21:40. > :21:46.go out and negotiate hard enough. If it was not for Ukip that would not
:21:47. > :21:54.have been a referendum in the first place. We forced the Prime Minister
:21:55. > :22:00.David Cameron into having a referendum and it proves how
:22:01. > :22:10.important Ukip can be. If Ukip is strong... But it is not, that is my
:22:11. > :22:16.point. Ukip, in politics the tide comes in and it goes out. We can be
:22:17. > :22:23.the Prime Minister 's back on to get the kind of Brexit deal we want.
:22:24. > :22:28.Secondly, it is also important that Ukip because we drive the political
:22:29. > :22:35.agenda. We make the political weather in many ways. People laughed
:22:36. > :22:38.at us because they felt a bit uncomfortable about our integration
:22:39. > :22:42.agenda, Theresa May is now talking our language. Ten years ago people
:22:43. > :22:49.laughed at us when we spoke about Brexit. Where we spoke about
:22:50. > :23:03.immigration, people said it was racist. What is your immigration
:23:04. > :23:11.system- will one in, one out policy. That is a gimmick. Balanced
:23:12. > :23:19.migration. First proposed by Frank Field, a Labour MP, supported by a
:23:20. > :23:27.Tory MP. We want to see zero net immigration over the next five years
:23:28. > :23:32.so for example, 339,000 people left written last year that means we will
:23:33. > :23:39.let in the same sort of number. However, it would be up points
:23:40. > :23:44.-based system like Australia so we get in skilled migrants which add to
:23:45. > :23:54.the economy and would be good for British wages and social cohesion.
:23:55. > :24:05.However many doctors or high-tech specialists, we might need, they
:24:06. > :24:14.could not come into the UK until somebody else leaves. What we are
:24:15. > :24:20.saying is not zero immigration, we are still letting in 300,000 a year
:24:21. > :24:26.but it would be skilled migrants. So not the 10th of thousands even on
:24:27. > :24:36.net migration. Net migration not gross. Coming back to the point of
:24:37. > :24:47.NHS staffing shortages, what is the response to figures conducted by
:24:48. > :24:55.Royal College of nurses. It is about people not wanting to come to the UK
:24:56. > :25:01.now. The majority of nurses within the NHS are British and next on the
:25:02. > :25:14.list are obviously non-EU migrants now. We need to start training our
:25:15. > :25:20.rain nurses. -- our nurses. It is not fair but taking nurses from
:25:21. > :25:34.Africa where one in three people have HIV. INAUDIBLE. I said it is
:25:35. > :25:42.not fair we are taking nurses from countries where they are obviously
:25:43. > :25:47.needed there. Your response that companies that will pull a lot of
:25:48. > :25:53.jobs out of the UK after Brexit and that immigration is economically
:25:54. > :26:02.beneficial for the UK. You persuing ideology for ideology's sake? No.
:26:03. > :26:09.What a lot of these polls have not taken into account, this policy of 6
:26:10. > :26:14.billion per year, they have not taken into account population
:26:15. > :26:24.growth. For example, last year we allowed in net a city the size of
:26:25. > :26:28.Birmingham. We will have a population of 80 million people and
:26:29. > :26:39.that means there will have to be a new hospital, rail work, school
:26:40. > :26:44.building programme. Surely you against the building of these
:26:45. > :26:47.institutions? If you take into account the cost of capital
:26:48. > :26:55.investment and keeping up with population, it will be massive. You
:26:56. > :27:01.need to control population. Bearing in mind that you were supportive of
:27:02. > :27:07.Donald Trump pulling out of climate change talks, do you believe in
:27:08. > :27:16.climate change? APPLAUSE
:27:17. > :27:22.. Firstly, I mean, I did not support Donald Trump during his election. I
:27:23. > :27:31.think some of the things he said, specifically regarding women went
:27:32. > :27:36.beyond the pale. I do not think this Muslim ban is going to work in any
:27:37. > :27:43.shape or form however I will say that he is doing what he said he was
:27:44. > :27:50.going to do. If he did not, here is someone who has been elected in a
:27:51. > :27:56.democracy and he is cutting out the will of the people. Do you believe
:27:57. > :28:03.in climate change? Of course I believe the climate is changing. Who
:28:04. > :28:10.is responsible? A whole lot of different factors. Including
:28:11. > :28:17.man-made? Yes however I do not buy into the climate alarmist agenda. We
:28:18. > :28:21.are running out of time. You just said that people should stand by
:28:22. > :28:35.their manifestoes and you introduced it by saying you support British
:28:36. > :28:49.values one of which was heaviest corpus -- you reminded me about when
:28:50. > :28:55.there were discussions about not supporting the Jews in Nazism
:28:56. > :29:01.because you are not Jewish. There are people who hate who we are and
:29:02. > :29:05.hate what we do and they want to kill us. I want to make sure that
:29:06. > :29:17.things like and Chester and London did not become common place. Thank
:29:18. > :29:23.you to Paul Nuttall. That brings us to the end of all of our special
:29:24. > :29:25.programmes. You can watch all the programmes involving the leaders of
:29:26. > :29:32.the political parties on BBC iPlayer. That leaves me to say good
:29:33. > :29:41.night from Bristol. It's going to be a wet and windy
:29:42. > :29:45.start to the new week