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:00:19. > :00:23.Three. I still can't get work.
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:00:51. > :00:57.the economy. APPLAUSE
:00:57. > :01:02.Yes, this is Free Speech. Welcome. I'm Rick Edwards and tonight we are
:01:02. > :01:06.at Goldsmiths University of London. We're going to be hearing what this
:01:06. > :01:11.lot have to say and what you have got to say too. Just tell, Tina
:01:11. > :01:14.Daheley. Yes. APPLAUSE
:01:14. > :01:17.Thank you, Rick. I am here to listen to your opinions and bring
:01:17. > :01:21.them to the heart of our discussion live right here in the studio. So,
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:01:43. > :01:46.hashtag no followed by the name of the panellist each time you agree
:01:46. > :01:50.or disagree. And here is our panel, whose job is
:01:50. > :01:55.to tell us who they are and what they are doing here. Let's start
:01:55. > :01:59.with you, please, Raheem Kassam. I'm Raheem Kassam. I guess I am
:01:59. > :02:04.here because I'm tired of politicians telling us what to do.
:02:04. > :02:07.APPLAUSE David. My name is David Lammy and I
:02:07. > :02:11.am the MP for Tottenham and I am here because I think young people
:02:11. > :02:14.in Britain are getting a raw deal. Charlotte.
:02:14. > :02:19.I'm Charlotte Leslie. I'm the MP for Bristol North West and I am
:02:19. > :02:24.here because if you want to change things in in life you need to get
:02:24. > :02:28.in and get involved. My name is Sara Pascoe. I am a
:02:28. > :02:36.comedian and actor and I am here to learn more about what you guys
:02:36. > :02:38.think about stuff. That's our panel.
:02:38. > :02:41.APPLAUSE OK, let's get started. We are
:02:41. > :02:45.talking about rent Britain and here in London, rents are increasing
:02:45. > :02:49.eight times faster than wages and young people can expect to life at
:02:49. > :02:54.home until they are 43 before they can afford to buy. What has been
:02:54. > :03:00.your experiences of renting in London, guys? Yes. Rent in London
:03:00. > :03:04.is ridiculous. It is reclick clusly high and for me, -- ridiculously
:03:04. > :03:07.high and for me, I have to go out of London to get a nice house and
:03:07. > :03:10.the quality of the house in London is shabby.
:03:10. > :03:16.You feel you are going to have to leave. Anyone else struggling with
:03:16. > :03:19.rent? It is not feasible to own or rent your own property. I'm still
:03:19. > :03:24.living with my family and in terms of rent, it is very high for young
:03:24. > :03:30.people to go and rent or purchase a property.
:03:30. > :03:35.Yes. I've lived on my own since I was 15 and I'm 27 now and I have
:03:35. > :03:37.only moved to London and it is extortionate for a room, let alone
:03:37. > :03:43.like trying to get my own house or anything.
:03:43. > :03:46.Too much. Yes? I feel, I rent in London and I had no idea where to
:03:46. > :03:50.go, how to find a house, whether I was getting a good deal or a bad
:03:51. > :03:55.deal and the fact that I have a roof over my head now is a miracle.
:03:55. > :03:59.That's what I have to say. OK. The gentleman at the back here.
:03:59. > :04:05.I live in Brighton and I find it hard to find a place to live. It is
:04:05. > :04:11.the commuter prices. People in London, condition afford to --
:04:11. > :04:14.can't afford to live in London. They will buy up the houses there.
:04:14. > :04:18.I'm finding it hard myself even living in Brighton.
:04:18. > :04:21.Louise, what's your experience? I recognise you from TV. Well, you
:04:21. > :04:25.would think that, but one of the things that's really important to
:04:26. > :04:33.think about is, we have all established that most of us will be
:04:33. > :04:38.renting until we are in our mid-40s, unless you have rich parents.
:04:38. > :04:43.Something that has been addressed is the red tape and the paperwork
:04:43. > :04:46.that self-employed people have to go. I have moved this year and I
:04:46. > :04:50.had to go through the same checks and paperwork and stress just to
:04:50. > :04:54.rent a property that my friends have done who have bought.
:04:54. > :05:00.Obviously, if I my own property to rent out, I would want to make sure
:05:00. > :05:04.it was protected, but to be honest, I felt like a criminal. I have
:05:04. > :05:08.never felt more guilty in the six weeks these checks were performed
:05:08. > :05:17.on me. Here is my DNA, what more do you want from me? I just want to
:05:17. > :05:20.rent a property. APPLAUSE
:05:20. > :05:22.The housing charity, Shelter, say phone calls are up 40% in the last
:05:22. > :05:25.year, dealing with people struggling with housing. Who eltion
:05:25. > :05:31.-- who else had rent problems? is a mainly a lot of young people
:05:31. > :05:36.have to rent via Gumtree, I faced landlords giving me a legal rent
:05:36. > :05:40.and turning up three days later and three weeks later, saying, "I want
:05:41. > :05:46.it for my brother. I want it for my sister." You go to the police and
:05:46. > :05:51.the paperwork is not value valid and when you ask them, they will
:05:51. > :05:55.say, "It is Gumtree." That's criminal for a lot of young people
:05:55. > :06:01.who will never see housing and never own the House of Their own.
:06:01. > :06:05.The lady here? I think you are stigmatised because you have to fit
:06:05. > :06:09.into a certain trat gee in order to -- certain category in order to
:06:09. > :06:12.rent. As a a student that doesn't come under the criteria of having a
:06:12. > :06:15.full-time job where you look stable. Even though you have the means to
:06:16. > :06:20.pay for it, but because you don't look like the right person on paper,
:06:20. > :06:23.even if you have the money then you are looked at a certain way as a
:06:23. > :06:27.student, that you are not going to look after the property.
:06:27. > :06:31.That's interesting. When we posted about this on Facebook and Twitter,
:06:31. > :06:41.we got a huge response and we have spoken to Cat and Dean who have
:06:41. > :06:44.
:06:44. > :06:49.different experiences of how they I'm Dean. I am an apprentice motor
:06:49. > :06:53.trader. Working on a building site makes me think think more about
:06:53. > :06:57.houses. I live with my mum at the moment. I want to get on to the
:06:57. > :07:04.housing ladder because I want to have stability when I'm older.
:07:04. > :07:09.My name is Cat, I have been squatting for 12 years. I am a poet.
:07:09. > :07:13.Most of the buildings that people squat in or long-term empty
:07:13. > :07:16.properties. I found renting isolating. Some of my friends were
:07:16. > :07:20.squatting and I decided to go and live with them because I didn't
:07:20. > :07:25.know when my job was finished and if I would be able to pay the rent.
:07:25. > :07:28.House prices are way too high for people of my age. It makes me think
:07:28. > :07:35.that I won't get on to the housing ladder unless I had help from
:07:35. > :07:40.somebody else. When you are a renting, the landlord can kick you
:07:40. > :07:44.out whenever they want. I am planning to buy with my mum.
:07:44. > :07:51.I get to live in places that I otherwise wouldn't get to live in.
:07:51. > :07:54.There is around about 15 to 20 people who live here. It can be
:07:54. > :07:58.stressful at times, it is not for everybody, but it is better than
:07:58. > :08:02.trying to find �600 a month. If whoever owns the property is not in
:08:02. > :08:06.a position to use it, then they should pass it over to the
:08:06. > :08:16.Government to be used for social housing. I think that would bring
:08:16. > :08:17.
:08:17. > :08:20.down the prices for everybody else. I was was thinking your squat
:08:20. > :08:23.looked nice. We didn't have water at the time. We had to collect the
:08:23. > :08:26.water. You have a question. What is it?
:08:26. > :08:34.you can't afford to live in London, should you move out?
:08:34. > :08:38.OK. Let's go down to our panel. I will start with you ra you Raheen,
:08:39. > :08:44.you will have 30 seconds and I am going to time it. Go! I have lived
:08:44. > :08:46.in London all my life, but I don't figure it is a right that I get to
:08:46. > :08:50.live in London. If my financial situation continues the way it is,
:08:50. > :08:57.I will have to think of moving further out or outside London. When
:08:57. > :09:00.I grad graduated, I moved down the road here and I got a really cheap,
:09:00. > :09:04.box room. I don't believe we should be looking to cram ourselves this
:09:04. > :09:07.London. We have got wonderful cities in this country and
:09:07. > :09:12.employers are putting jobs there and we should be looking elsewhere
:09:12. > :09:16.in this country. Very good time wise. Very good.
:09:16. > :09:19.APPLAUSE David. I think quite a lot of young
:09:19. > :09:29.people have to live in London because this is where the jobs are.
:09:29. > :09:40.
:09:40. > :09:43.The point is... APPLAUSE
:09:43. > :09:45.And there is no choice so the point is that we have got to have fair
:09:45. > :09:48.rents because people are renting houses that are actually horrible
:09:48. > :09:51.and flats that are horrible and they are paying over the odds so we
:09:51. > :09:54.need some kind of rent control or fair fair rents like in Germany. We
:09:54. > :09:55.have to build more houses. We have got to regulate landlords and
:09:55. > :09:56.regulate letting agents who are charging extortionate fees for just
:09:56. > :09:58.turning up. APPLAUSE
:09:58. > :10:02.Is regulation something that would help? Is rent control something
:10:02. > :10:06.that would help? Yes, the guy at the back here. It is a good idea,
:10:06. > :10:10.but how would you go about regulating or legislating it? How
:10:10. > :10:13.much money would that cost in getting the jobs, it might create
:10:13. > :10:18.jobs having people do this, but how much money would it cost to
:10:18. > :10:22.regulate? I would like to see it done because then I I could afford
:10:22. > :10:25.to get a place of my own, perhaps, but I don't think it would be cost
:10:25. > :10:31.effective. Yes, the gentleman here.
:10:31. > :10:35.I am doing an apprenticeship in an estate agents. Rent ago property is
:10:35. > :10:39.a business, it is d renting a property is a business, it is about
:10:39. > :10:42.making money. Houses in London are highly sought after, if the demand
:10:42. > :10:50.is increasing, surely the price will increase as well.
:10:50. > :10:55.It makes sense. Let's speak to Cat. I believe housing is a Hythe, it is
:10:55. > :10:58.about -- it is a human right. It is about homes.
:10:58. > :11:04.If you agree or disagree with anything that you are hearing or
:11:04. > :11:10.that has just been said, let Tina know.
:11:10. > :11:20.Yes, please get in touch. James, you would probably get on with
:11:20. > :11:22.
:11:22. > :11:28.Raheem who says, "stop winging about rent. The State can't solve
:11:28. > :11:35.anything." What if you can't afford not to live in London? Is it
:11:35. > :11:40.discrimination on income grounds? Charlotte? If we didn't have enough
:11:40. > :11:46.housing, the price wouldn't be so high. We are doing really well, but
:11:46. > :11:52.it is tricky and we are loosening up planning regulations so we can
:11:52. > :11:58.do more: You are not doing well?It is a massive problem. Regulation
:11:58. > :12:02.sounds lies, but if you have a -- regular regulation sounds nice. I
:12:02. > :12:07.think helping first-time buyers on to the housing market is good. But
:12:07. > :12:11.I mean, I think we have had experiences of living in shoe boxes
:12:11. > :12:15.in in London and it is grim, our parents generation had it good and
:12:15. > :12:21.we are suffering because of a baby boom generation. It is not anyone's
:12:21. > :12:27.fault, but a baby boom generation to sapped up the property.
:12:27. > :12:35.Sara, how do you feel about housing in London? I will tell you about me,
:12:35. > :12:41.but so I grew up in Essex and I I moved out at 18 and I lived in
:12:41. > :12:45.Leytonstone and I went to university and lived in in halls. I
:12:45. > :12:52.never really questioned whether that was right, it is scwust what I
:12:52. > :12:57.had -- just what I had to do. Now I live in Tooting. It is a fantastic
:12:57. > :13:02.area that's really cheap if you don't mind being on the overground.
:13:03. > :13:05.Tooting is up and coming. I don't think I over pay my rent for what I
:13:05. > :13:09.have got in terms of London, but again, I don't question because it
:13:09. > :13:15.is London that I deserve anymore than that. I just, I am grateful to
:13:15. > :13:18.be here and also, housing outside of the city, if you said to me, it
:13:18. > :13:24.would be half the rent and you would be in Nottingham. I wouldn't
:13:24. > :13:31.go. I would rather be here. This is where I have grown-up and it is
:13:31. > :13:35.about maybe, the creative ways of working out out what are we going
:13:35. > :13:41.to do about that? Some people don't want to live with strangers and
:13:41. > :13:44.houses have to be, not have mice and have running water and it is
:13:44. > :13:54.hork when people -- horrible when people are suffering because of the
:13:54. > :13:56.
:13:56. > :14:03.place they are living in. You say you can't imaginically
:14:03. > :14:11.produce produce Magically houses, we can build them.
:14:11. > :14:21.Let's fire up the power bar. David, you are in the lead so far.
:14:21. > :14:33.
:14:34. > :14:38.really struggling, giving up the hope of ever being able to buy their
:14:38. > :14:41.own home here. Fundamentally, this is an issue of lack of supply. We
:14:41. > :14:45.are not building enough homes. We haven't been for many years. Until
:14:45. > :14:50.we sort that out, prices will continue to go up. We need to get
:14:50. > :14:59.building in London. Who else thinks we need to get building in London?
:14:59. > :15:04.Where is Rob? I think this is an argument for uncontrolled mass
:15:04. > :15:08.immigration. We should be looking after British youths. There is a
:15:08. > :15:13.shortage of houses, especially in London. It is about supply and
:15:13. > :15:19.demand. We have a big demand at the moment. In January, it could get.
:15:19. > :15:24.There is a potential for it to get a lot. We need to ensure the supply is
:15:24. > :15:33.there for the British youths before we open the borders to Eastern
:15:33. > :15:37.Europeans. OK. Josh? How would you respond to that? It is true, from a
:15:37. > :15:41.Lib Dem perspective, we do need to build more social housing. If you
:15:41. > :15:45.look at local authorities, the Lib Dems have a much better record than
:15:45. > :15:50.the Tories and Labour on building social housing. The percentage of
:15:50. > :15:56.the housing stock goes up under Lib Dem councils. We need to look at
:15:56. > :16:01.other ways to make sure low earners can access this housing. I welcome
:16:01. > :16:06.the fact that Lib Dem policy like low erring income tax for basic
:16:06. > :16:10.ratepayers is ensuring over 20 million people is getting a �700 tax
:16:10. > :16:20.cut. That allows them to keep the money they have worked really hard
:16:20. > :16:21.
:16:21. > :16:26.to earn. Little things like that can help people. OK. I'm speaking up for
:16:26. > :16:34.people at home! Chris, he says, "I will be moving to London in
:16:34. > :16:39.September for uni. Half my money will be going on my room! It is
:16:39. > :16:46.ridiculous!" Who else feels like they are spending over 50% of their
:16:46. > :16:50.income on rent at the moment? I am. As a student, I'm paying a lot
:16:50. > :16:54.more for my rent in comparison, it is over 30% of what I'm getting. In
:16:54. > :17:04.terms of students - because the Government knows what we are
:17:04. > :17:05.
:17:05. > :17:14.entitled to - our rent should be cheaper. Yes? I would like to talk
:17:14. > :17:18.about the same thing Chris raised at home. I moved here from my first
:17:18. > :17:21.year and the halls costs are ridiculous. I'm fortunate that I
:17:21. > :17:31.managed to get a job and cover some of that. A lot of people are finding
:17:31. > :17:36.it very difficult to move to London and pay so much for rent. OK. The
:17:36. > :17:41.lady at the back? Maybe the answer is to raise the rent in London? And
:17:41. > :17:46.raise the wage in London. That can't be the answer! Sorry, you were
:17:46. > :17:51.saying...? To raise the wage in London. Just in London? OK. This
:17:51. > :17:56.gentleman here? We have seen a worrying demographic shift in
:17:56. > :18:01.London. Poor people are being priced out. It is like a class-based city
:18:01. > :18:04.and it is only for Conservative voters and the Conservative Party
:18:04. > :18:08.are only too willing to cut housing benefit to make this happen because
:18:08. > :18:11.there are so many constituencies in London. David Lammy, I would be
:18:11. > :18:17.worried about what the Conservatives are doing. You have to fight against
:18:17. > :18:22.it and help poor people in this country. Are you worried, David?
:18:22. > :18:27.Well, I spent most of the last week speaking out against the housing
:18:27. > :18:31.benefit cap. In a sense, people are receiving that housing benefit
:18:31. > :18:37.because of high rents. The money is going to landlords. The fair rents
:18:37. > :18:41.that I argued for are happening in Germany where rents are linked to
:18:41. > :18:44.inflation, index-related and where there are much longer tenancies.
:18:44. > :18:48.Your landlord can come and take your rent up every two months at the
:18:48. > :18:52.moment. In Germany, people have five-year tenancies so they can plan
:18:52. > :19:01.over a year, two, three, four, five, they know how much the rent is going
:19:01. > :19:08.up. We need that system over here. One quarter of housing benefit
:19:08. > :19:15.claimants are in employment. Tina? James is making this point. "We need
:19:15. > :19:20.to build more houses. How about some new towns in the London commuter
:19:20. > :19:25.area?" This person, "Building more houses would create more jobs and
:19:25. > :19:30.homes but potential future problems." "Public transport is a
:19:30. > :19:33.key issue. Moving outside of London means paying large amounts on
:19:33. > :19:43.travel." If you want your point of view read out, you have to make it
:19:43. > :19:48.
:19:48. > :19:51.first. Get in touch. Head to Facebook.com/BBCFreeSpeech. Now we
:19:51. > :19:58.are going to move on to the minimum wage. The Business Secretary has
:19:58. > :20:01.announced it is going up. Good news. But how good? Anyone here that works
:20:01. > :20:08.or has worked for minimum wage? A few of you have. Do you know how
:20:08. > :20:17.much it is going to go up to in October? Not enough is maybe right!
:20:17. > :20:20.12 pence for over 21s, 3 pence if you are an apprentice. Yvonne has a
:20:21. > :20:27.question. My question is why can't minimum wage be abolished
:20:27. > :20:30.altogether? We should be paid according to service. Let's go to
:20:30. > :20:37.David. I will do the 30 seconds on the clock for you. 30 seconds to
:20:37. > :20:42.respond. The Labour Party fought hard to get a National Minimum Wage.
:20:42. > :20:47.People were being exploited and ripped off, paid 50p, �1 an hour
:20:47. > :20:55.before that. We should defend it. We now need to move on to having a
:20:55. > :20:59.living wage. This is not the time... Ten seconds? This is not the time to
:20:59. > :21:03.go backwards. Frankly, those that think that somehow this has been
:21:03. > :21:10.inflationary are wrong. The National Minimum Wage is being copied around
:21:10. > :21:13.the world. Stop. Thank you, David. Raheem? Do you agree? No. I don't
:21:13. > :21:17.care what the Labour Party fought for. I don't care what any political
:21:17. > :21:24.party fought for. This is an issue about people. The minimum wage - it
:21:24. > :21:26.is a false economy. It pushes up pricing and it makes employers cut
:21:26. > :21:29.the number of people they can employ. When I was working in a
:21:29. > :21:32.retail store at university, they raised the minimum wage. What did my
:21:33. > :21:36.employer do? He cut half the staff in the shop and the prices went up.
:21:36. > :21:40.The punters couldn't afford the products and the business had to
:21:40. > :21:44.slash further. It does not make sense to have a minimum wage. It is
:21:44. > :21:48.discriminatory. It tells you that you cannot decide for yourself what
:21:48. > :21:51.your services are worth. This is you, this is your labour, you decide
:21:51. > :21:58.what it is worth and you go out there and market yourself. A
:21:58. > :22:02.Government telling you what to do is so patronising. David? He is arguing
:22:02. > :22:10.to go back to the 18th Century when working-class people were exploited
:22:10. > :22:17.in this country. Two opposing views. Is that getting people going?
:22:17. > :22:27.Paul says, "Abolished - all it's done is push prices up for
:22:27. > :22:28.
:22:28. > :22:32.everyone." Sara? I find discussing it really scary. I think that it's
:22:32. > :22:36.the vulnerable people that would suffer at this. The only thing I do
:22:36. > :22:40.think that could happen is if there was a sliding scale within
:22:41. > :22:44.businesses, so some people's minimum wage - if you were a successful
:22:44. > :22:48.nightclub, your minimum wage would be less than a country pub where you
:22:48. > :22:51.have two members of staff and you serve six people all evening. It
:22:51. > :22:55.doesn't go any lower than it is now. All that happens is that really
:22:55. > :23:00.vulnerable people, the people that clean, the people that work in bars,
:23:00. > :23:08.they will end up working 14 or 15-hour shifts to make the same
:23:08. > :23:12.money that is disgraceful now. I find it discussing it really -- I
:23:12. > :23:18.find discussing it really worrying. This gentleman? Bankers have
:23:18. > :23:23.exploited all of us in the last few years, so we should have a National
:23:23. > :23:28.Maximum Wage in my opinion. Interesting. This gentleman? Living
:23:28. > :23:33.wage has been introduced in the City Council of Leicester. My opinion
:23:33. > :23:37.about the minimum wage, it should be kept. There ought to be a balance so
:23:37. > :23:43.that people don't get fired from their jobs. There's a possibility of
:23:43. > :23:49.being a balance between jobs, taxes, housing benefit, pretty much
:23:49. > :23:53.everything should be a balance so that you move forward, the business
:23:53. > :23:57.can grow. But the economy is more stable. Is it possible to maintain
:23:57. > :24:01.that balance, Charlotte? I think the word is "balance". When I was
:24:01. > :24:06.working on a minimum wage and I was mopping up pub floors, if someone
:24:06. > :24:10.had said, "Do you want a rise in the minimum wage?" I would have said,
:24:10. > :24:14."Yes, please." It is always a balance. You do have to protect
:24:14. > :24:17.people. There are some ruthless employers out there. You don't want
:24:17. > :24:24.a living wage that is so high that people have to let people go. It is
:24:24. > :24:27.a balance. Sometimes, it is a difficult one. I think raising it -
:24:27. > :24:31.inflation is rising, living standards are getting higher.
:24:31. > :24:37.Raising it is probably the right thing to do. OK. This gentleman
:24:37. > :24:45.here? You would like to talk about discrimination, but the people on
:24:45. > :24:50.unpaid internships are being discriminated where we don't pay
:24:50. > :24:53.them anything for working. If there was no minimum wage, those people
:24:53. > :24:58.could be employed at a level that their skills are worth. At the
:24:58. > :25:02.moment, they are getting nothing. David? I think there is an issue
:25:02. > :25:07.with internships. It depends on - there is a difference between
:25:07. > :25:11.probably a 15 or 16-year-old spending a couple of weeks working,
:25:11. > :25:16.an 18-year-old, someone who is at university doing a sabbatical year,
:25:16. > :25:20.so you have to look in a lot of detail as to what the internship is,
:25:20. > :25:25.and whether it is work experience, voluntary, or a job, but graduates
:25:25. > :25:28.should be paid for a job of work. The reason this happens - I'm asking
:25:28. > :25:35.because I don't understand - internships, if you are not paid, is
:25:35. > :25:39.that because they are seen as education and not work? They can be
:25:39. > :25:48.voluntary. It is such a grey area. There is no guarantee after you have
:25:48. > :25:52.worked for free that you get that job? No.It is like acting! You are
:25:52. > :25:56.the youngest member of the Corporation of London. What is your
:25:56. > :26:00.feeling about minimum wages? I think abolishing minimum wage would lead
:26:00. > :26:04.to exploitation. I think the whole argument here is finding a balance
:26:04. > :26:07.between the two. In order to find the balance, we need to discuss the
:26:07. > :26:15.main issue which is getting our young people back into employment in
:26:15. > :26:22.the first place to pay them a wage. Is there anyone here who feels the
:26:22. > :26:30.minimum wage has no particular effect? Yes? Obviously, it has an
:26:30. > :26:35.affect on people. I believe that when you go to work, you know, the
:26:35. > :26:39.way the minimum wage sort of restricts people and puts you in a
:26:40. > :26:44.category. Nurses get paid for instance ridiculously less than the
:26:44. > :26:49.banking elite and the people who control our country. And how the
:26:49. > :26:55.workers have to pay for people like David Cameron's rent and your rent,
:26:55. > :26:58.Sir. And the money comes, it seems it is twisted in the way the
:26:58. > :27:03.capitalist system, how it is working, it means a lot of people,
:27:03. > :27:06.in a rich country like Britain, are living in poverty and can't eat and
:27:06. > :27:09.can't afford to survive. Something is going incredibly wrong here, you
:27:09. > :27:16.know. People are going to the storehouse and not being able to
:27:16. > :27:24.eat. The Queen has �27 trillion, she is Queen of England, and people are
:27:24. > :27:28.starving on the streets. Yes? think, essentially, all this the
:27:28. > :27:36.increases in the minimum wage are just lip service. If you are upping
:27:36. > :27:40.it by 13p, that doesn't address the issue. The majority of jobs that are
:27:40. > :27:45.available are quite temporary. It doesn't matter if you are adding 13p
:27:45. > :27:48.extra an hour to somebody who is only able to get 20 hours a week.
:27:48. > :27:56.This is affecting the people who are struggling to find whatever work
:27:56. > :28:03.there is. OK. Yes? The question was should the minimum wage be
:28:03. > :28:10.abolished? When I was 17, I had two job offers. One offered to pay me
:28:10. > :28:17.the minimum wage. It was quite obvious which one to go for - I went
:28:17. > :28:22.for the �6.19. That makes a big difference. By abolishing it, you
:28:22. > :28:28.allow employers to give ridiculous amount, like �3, 50p an hour, even.
:28:28. > :28:32.It is a good idea to keep it as it is. Who feels like you are going to
:28:32. > :28:35.get taken advantage of the you abolish the minimum wage? If you are
:28:35. > :28:40.do the same job as someone that is older than you, but you get paid a
:28:40. > :28:49.different amount, you are doing the same job, so why should you get paid
:28:49. > :28:52.less? You think - you don't value experience in that respect?
:28:52. > :28:57.should be the same age. All ages should get paid the same amount.
:28:57. > :29:02.Yes? I agree. As a younger person, you are a lot fitter, you have more
:29:02. > :29:06.energy, you are a lot more able to do more things so it is unfair to
:29:06. > :29:13.pay a young person less and an older person more when they are least
:29:13. > :29:16.likely to be pro active. OK. This lady? The minimum wage is necessary.
:29:16. > :29:21.It brings an element of equality so nobody will get exploited. The
:29:21. > :29:27.Government are too corrupt. They need to bring some support to young
:29:27. > :29:33.people here who are struggling. The cost-of-living is going up. Salaries
:29:33. > :29:36.and incomes are going up so slowly that people are struggling. People
:29:36. > :29:40.will turn to crime and they will moan again when the next riots
:29:40. > :29:50.happen. People are hungry. Tina, are the people online echoing what we
:29:50. > :29:58.
:29:58. > :30:08.Lots of people using the word exploitation.
:30:08. > :30:13.
:30:13. > :30:15.And then this one says, "We need a maximum wage."
:30:15. > :30:18.APPLAUSE It is a good time to get a power
:30:18. > :30:21.bar update to see if anything has changed. Raheem, you have slipped
:30:21. > :30:28.back a bit. It was probably your comments about the minimum wage.
:30:28. > :30:38.You can influence the tower bar. Get on -- power bar. Get on Twitter.
:30:38. > :30:38.
:30:38. > :30:48.If you agree with Raheem, it is: For David, it is:
:30:48. > :30:51.For Charlotte, it is. For Sara, it is:
:30:51. > :30:56.Make your voice heard on Free Speech.
:30:56. > :31:01.Tuition fees and debt is a huge issue for many of you. Figures show
:31:01. > :31:06.that 19% of graduates will be unemployed and and 36% will be in
:31:06. > :31:10.low skilled jobs. This is what Suli Brakes has to say.
:31:10. > :31:15.So you want to get a degree? Why?
:31:15. > :31:18.Let me tell whau society will tell -- you what society will tell you.
:31:18. > :31:24.It increases your chances of getting a job. Your life will be
:31:24. > :31:28.less stressful. Education is the key. Now let me tell you what your
:31:28. > :31:31.parents will tell you. Make me proud. Increases your chances of
:31:31. > :31:37.getting a job. Provides you with an opportunity to be successfulment
:31:37. > :31:47.your life will be less stressful. Education is the key. Now, let's
:31:47. > :31:54.look at the statistics. Stephen Jobs, net worth �7 billion. RIP.
:31:54. > :32:01.Richard Bronson, net worth �4.2 billion. Oprah Winfrey, net worth
:32:01. > :32:10.�2.7 billion. Stephen Spielberg and and Bill Gates, looking at these
:32:10. > :32:15.individuals, what is your conclusion? Neither of them have
:32:15. > :32:21.graduated from a higher learning It is interesting stuff. Cherry,
:32:21. > :32:26.you have got a question. Because of the increase in tuition fees and a
:32:26. > :32:30.shortage of graduate jobs, do you think it is better to go into
:32:30. > :32:34.apprenticeships? 30 second for Charlotte, starting now?
:32:34. > :32:38.sensible thing to do is to go into a degree or an apprenticeship if it
:32:38. > :32:45.is the right thing for you. We have been dishonest with young people
:32:45. > :32:48.about what their degree is going to lead them to. A lot of employers
:32:48. > :32:53.say they would be better off doing the real thing and not writing
:32:53. > :32:58.about it. And And doing an apprenticeship is just as good as
:32:58. > :33:02.doing an academic course and when we get that right, people get their
:33:02. > :33:06.futures right. David, what do you think about
:33:06. > :33:11.apprenticeships and their value? There is a lot of hype about
:33:11. > :33:15.apprenticeships, but you have got to look behind it. The majority of
:33:15. > :33:19.apprenticeships are in retail and admin. They are not actually in
:33:19. > :33:27.quality professions and technical skills that people want. I worked
:33:27. > :33:31.in McDonald's. I worked at Kentucky Fried Chicken. Please don't call
:33:31. > :33:34.that an apprenticeship. So there is a lot of changes that need to be
:33:34. > :33:38.made for apprenticeships. The majority of the increase in
:33:38. > :33:42.apprenticeships is over 35s. It is not actually young people doing
:33:42. > :33:47.those jobs. The work programme is not working, the youth contract is
:33:47. > :33:50.not working. Young people in this country are unemployed. The hype
:33:50. > :33:54.about apprenticeships is is spin. Of course, university is worth it,
:33:54. > :34:02.but you have to look closely at the university and the course. That is
:34:02. > :34:12.the truth and for some people, �9,000 for some of those courses is
:34:12. > :34:38.
:34:38. > :34:41.not worth it. APPLAUSE
:34:41. > :34:44.As a disabled person, I find even though I have got the academic
:34:44. > :34:46.criter criteria to go to the best university in London, I feel my
:34:46. > :34:48.disability has limited my access to those universities because the
:34:48. > :34:51.funding and the loans that I get from universities are not enough
:34:51. > :34:54.and I am having to go to other sources and beg them, plead, for
:34:54. > :34:57.money just so I can go to those universities, just so I can access
:34:57. > :35:00.what I need to and it is so much stress and I have reached points
:35:00. > :35:02.where I thought, "It is not worth it." I think it maybe better for me
:35:02. > :35:04.to go in an internship because it is stress-free.
:35:04. > :35:06.Who else feels the cost of university is so great? I believe
:35:07. > :35:09.that it is crucial to go into higher education, to maximise your
:35:09. > :35:12.chances of being successful. But when the political party promises
:35:12. > :35:14.to lower or keep the twu wirks fee -- tuition fees low, and they don't,
:35:14. > :35:19.who can we trust with our futures? Who feels that university, you
:35:19. > :35:23.don't need it? Is there anyone here? To be honest, I think what
:35:23. > :35:26.the topics we are talking about is on survival and I think it is
:35:26. > :35:30.important that people they should go to university and learn how to,
:35:30. > :35:35.you know, not even go to university, but they should learn how to
:35:35. > :35:37.survive and grow their own food. There wouldn't be a problem if
:35:37. > :35:44.everyone was growing food in their own back garden. That is not being
:35:44. > :35:48.advertised. You get McDonald's, MSG, but that's going to kill you. All
:35:48. > :35:52.the big corporations are trying to poison us when we should be trying
:35:52. > :36:02.to grow our own food and survive of our own backs.
:36:02. > :36:04.
:36:04. > :36:13.They are not deliberately trying to poison us, I don't think.
:36:13. > :36:16.They are trying to kill us. We can have a great chat afterwards.
:36:16. > :36:19.I disagree with what the gentleman said over there saying that
:36:19. > :36:25.education or higher education equals success. I think there is a
:36:25. > :36:29.big smoke screen and we have been indock trind from young. I come
:36:29. > :36:32.from a very academic background and I love education and it was the
:36:32. > :36:37.next thing. You had to do university. I never stopped to
:36:37. > :36:39.assess my own life and see what career I want to do and I really do,
:36:39. > :36:44.in hindsight respect the young students that stepped out of
:36:44. > :36:47.college and really looked at their own life and thought thought, "No,
:36:47. > :36:52.I don't want to go to university yet." This they want to go to
:36:52. > :36:56.university and become a doctor, go for it. However, real life skills
:36:56. > :36:59.to network or what not or speak to people and communicate and learn
:36:59. > :37:04.from each other, it is something you can learn from every day life.
:37:04. > :37:09.You don't need a letter to say, "I have got a degree and I can survive
:37:09. > :37:19.with it.". This gentleman. You mentioned you were doing an
:37:19. > :37:25.apprenticeship at an estate agent. Do you feel you messed up? I just
:37:25. > :37:30.cancelled a contract in a football club. Me personally, I feel that
:37:30. > :37:33.experience is far more valuable than any qualification because it
:37:33. > :37:37.is proving that you can do the job well.
:37:37. > :37:42.Yes? What I found worrying and sad about what everyone is saying
:37:42. > :37:45.tonight, we are not talking about dreams or aspirations, everyone is
:37:45. > :37:49.talking about survival. Whilst, I don't agree with this lovely lad
:37:49. > :37:54.here, it is about survival. We are not talking about in ten years, I
:37:54. > :37:59.want to be earning X and I want to have my own business and own a
:37:59. > :38:01.property, it is about how we get through the next six months and I
:38:01. > :38:07.feel this generation is being robbed.
:38:07. > :38:11.Yes. I don't study the big big things, but I did musical theatre
:38:11. > :38:16.and for me, it is about taking a gamble and I didn't do, I did
:38:16. > :38:20.college, but I didn't want to pay nine grand. You will you need is
:38:20. > :38:23.one lucky break and I have had a few over the years, but it is not
:38:23. > :38:26.about going into further education and about the right time, the right
:38:26. > :38:29.place. I would say it is about what is
:38:29. > :38:34.right for you and parents and schools need to give young people a
:38:34. > :38:40.dose of reality, this talk about it you get a degree, you will get a
:38:40. > :38:45.good job, it is not guaranteed. I don't have a degree, I am the only
:38:45. > :38:50.person person in my family. I have been working since I was 16 and I
:38:50. > :38:54.have had my own business, I am doing OK, like work wise. I am in a
:38:54. > :38:57.senior position with no degree and they are saying my experience is
:38:57. > :39:01.invaluable. That's the most valuable thing to an employer. Let
:39:01. > :39:05.people know that a degree is not going to get you through that
:39:05. > :39:08.doorment you need to do what is right for you. Don't be pressured
:39:08. > :39:12.by your parents or peers. Find yourself and do what is right for
:39:12. > :39:16.you. . Yes, sir in the glasses? From the
:39:16. > :39:22.other side, it has become fashionable to bash degrees. There
:39:22. > :39:25.are a lot of people that want to go and out and carry on learning and
:39:25. > :39:31.carry on educating themselves and there is nothing wrong with going
:39:31. > :39:35.to an apprenticeship. I don't know why why suddenly people are up in
:39:35. > :39:39.arms about degrees. The gentleman here.
:39:39. > :39:43.When people decided that 50% of young people have to go to
:39:43. > :39:48.university, it made everything else much less valuable. Yes, some
:39:48. > :39:52.degrees are important, doctors, you need that quality of education, but
:39:52. > :39:55.apprenticeships should be the main way. Our secondary education system
:39:55. > :39:59.is flawed. Because it says you must be academic or you have failed.
:39:59. > :40:09.Technical schools and colleges are the way we need to focus because
:40:09. > :40:09.
:40:09. > :40:14.some people aren't academic and that doesn't make them bad people.
:40:14. > :40:17.A degree is not for everyone. It was damaging when the Tony Blair
:40:17. > :40:20.Government said 50% of all youngsters should be going to
:40:20. > :40:23.universities. I went to university. I fell pressure to go to university
:40:23. > :40:27.from my parents, from the school and I wasn't a particularly, you
:40:27. > :40:30.know, the type of person who would be good at hitting the books. I
:40:30. > :40:36.feel like I lost out in that time. I have just started a company
:40:36. > :40:40.myself trying to be self-employed on how to file tax returns on how
:40:40. > :40:44.to do company accounts. Learning real life, real world skills. It
:40:44. > :40:47.wasn't for me and I bet you, it is not for a lot of people. We are
:40:47. > :40:53.trying to pressure so many people to go to university when they don't
:40:53. > :40:56.want to, they are not cut out for it and we do better if we taught
:40:56. > :41:01.them the skills to go out in the workplace and become the Richard
:41:02. > :41:08.Branson's of the world. You went to university, Sara?
:41:08. > :41:12.I am a terrible example to young people. I worked for two years. I
:41:12. > :41:22.had no money. I was working in Nottingham for �100 and I was so
:41:22. > :41:26.
:41:26. > :41:30.far over my overdraft, the only way was to go to university. I did an
:41:30. > :41:34.English degree and it was the first generation, I had a single parent
:41:34. > :41:38.family from Romford and Dagenham and I never thought I would earn
:41:39. > :41:45.over 0 grand and they -- 20 grand and they said if you earn over 20
:41:45. > :41:51.grand and after ten years it goes away and I was like "brilliant." I
:41:51. > :41:56.know it is a lot more now, but do you know what? I earn, I only
:41:56. > :42:01.started paying off my student student loan and that degree is no
:42:01. > :42:06.use for any job unless you want to be an English teacher. It smashed
:42:06. > :42:09.my mind open. It made me want to learn about things and be part of
:42:09. > :42:19.the community and that's why I am proud to pay for it.
:42:19. > :42:23.
:42:23. > :42:28.An interesting prospective. Tina? Steve Steve Jobs and and Alan
:42:28. > :42:33.Sugar succeeded. How can you expect young people to survive on �2 an
:42:33. > :42:37.hour, pay them a minimum age and bring in a living wage as well.
:42:38. > :42:43.Damien says, "Go to university and read a degree if it makes you happy
:42:43. > :42:47.and if it is what you want to do." It is about making you happy. Good
:42:47. > :42:50.time to have a look at the power bar to see if anything changed.
:42:50. > :42:56.David, you are still in the lead. Very popular. At home with the
:42:56. > :42:59.online audience, but Sara is close behind you!
:42:59. > :43:03.Oh, yes, David. The FA announced this afternoon
:43:03. > :43:13.that Luis Suarez has received a ten match ban for biting Branislav
:43:13. > :43:15.
:43:15. > :43:25.Ivanovic on the arm. It is a longer ban than he received for racially
:43:25. > :43:30.
:43:30. > :43:33.abusing patries Patrice Evra. boyfriend says I talk about
:43:33. > :43:39.football like a Daly Mail talks about immigration. Just repeating
:43:39. > :43:45.things I have heard, passionately, but with no knowledge! My thing on
:43:45. > :43:49.this, I have got an A-level in law and so I think, so I read something
:43:49. > :43:52.like this in the papers and it says a man bit another man and that
:43:52. > :43:58.should be, people should be protected whether they are at work.
:43:58. > :44:02.I do stand-up and if someone heckles me, I am not allowed to hit
:44:02. > :44:06.them. People complain about the amount of matches he is doing, he
:44:06. > :44:10.should go to prison. Sorry Liverpool FC.
:44:10. > :44:17.I don't think prison is on the cards. Raheem? Ten matches is a
:44:17. > :44:22.short amount of time. He has got form. He was banned by the Dutch FA
:44:22. > :44:25.for doing the same thing. He is not a great role model. The FA has a
:44:25. > :44:29.responsibility to make sure this guy is a role model for young
:44:29. > :44:34.people. I don't want to see people biting each other in the playground.
:44:34. > :44:39.This guy should be made to clean up the stadium after each after each
:44:39. > :44:44.of the ten games that he is not allowed to play in. He needs to
:44:44. > :44:51.learn that he can't behave like an animal on the pitch and get away.
:44:51. > :44:54.He needs to feel like this hits him in the pocket. He should be given
:44:54. > :44:57.therapy. If he was a bus driver and he bit someone, you don't like your
:44:57. > :45:01.help. Someone needs to help you you.
:45:01. > :45:08.He is going to do anger management classes, I believe.
:45:08. > :45:14.You played football, what's your I think it is passion that hasn't
:45:14. > :45:24.been controlled properly. It shows his passion in want to go win, but
:45:24. > :45:36.
:45:36. > :45:40.he has to be punish whether he is a millions of lives. We are not
:45:40. > :45:45.talking about that. What we are talking about at the moment is
:45:45. > :45:52.Suarez. You, at the back? You would get fired for biting someone in any
:45:52. > :45:58.other job. It is just about you bit somebody at work - fire him! Yes?
:45:58. > :46:06.The way the FA has dealt with it has been the worst part. Giving a lower
:46:06. > :46:10.ban than for racism. It seems like they are saying, "Say no to rabies!"
:46:10. > :46:16.Catchy(!) Yes? It is because the FA know they can get away with it. The
:46:16. > :46:21.more, the higher company you work for, the more money you earn. It
:46:21. > :46:27.seems like it is less regulated for what you can do. If they can get
:46:27. > :46:30.away with banning him for ten matches, they will do that. If it
:46:30. > :46:35.swuz someone, not in a higher company, the consequences would be
:46:35. > :46:39.tough. Are we furious because he earns so much money? Is that the
:46:39. > :46:48.thing? I think, like the gentleman there said, we shouldn't be talking
:46:48. > :46:54.about it. We are.I know. We are. So let's move on. My point is...
:46:54. > :46:57.Footballers are role models for young people - they are not. We
:46:57. > :47:00.shouldn't expect that footballers have a moral obligation to behave on
:47:00. > :47:05.the pitch because children are watching them. They are playing and,
:47:05. > :47:09.in the heat of the moment, they might bite someone. What he did, the
:47:09. > :47:12.punishment he got for it, we should be questioning why the Football
:47:12. > :47:19.Association take less of a stance on racism and more of a stance on
:47:19. > :47:27.someone biting. That is ludicrous. Yes, the hand up there? Whether it
:47:27. > :47:31.is racism or biting, footballers are role models. If they are -
:47:32. > :47:35.five-year-olds will imitate the behaviour. They won't.They will!
:47:35. > :47:44.Children imitate behaviour more than you will believe. It is wrong to say
:47:44. > :47:47.that they won't. Yes, Sir? When you say about Luis Suarez - nurses get
:47:47. > :47:54.paid �120,000 in two years, he gets that in a week! They save lives for
:47:54. > :48:03.16 hours a day. Yes, OK. You are cross about that. Charlotte? Look,
:48:03. > :48:13.he was at work. All I know is if I bit David Cameron at work... A big
:48:13. > :48:14.
:48:14. > :48:19.if! If I do... There is a point about people being beyond blame. We
:48:19. > :48:23.have seen bankers, the head of the NHS. They are big people and seem to
:48:23. > :48:28.be beyond blame. He needs to face the consequences. Your life is not
:48:28. > :48:31.in a great way if you are biting someone. Being a high-profile
:48:31. > :48:39.footballer has to be a stress and a strain. He needs to be taken off the
:48:39. > :48:46.pitch, for the other players' sake as well! Yes, the gentleman there?
:48:46. > :48:52.You have precedent in law. When the Merseyside Police turn round and go,
:48:52. > :48:57."There is no case to argue." When somebody in the street bites
:48:57. > :49:04.someone, "You can't prosecute me, you didn't prosecute Luis Suarez,
:49:04. > :49:08.I'm innocent, too!" David? A club like Liverpool should be about
:49:08. > :49:15.community, about hard work, about reputation. I think it is a shame
:49:15. > :49:19.that we have got to a place where big football clubs put money - and
:49:19. > :49:25.that's what Luis Suarez represents - before a decency that football used
:49:25. > :49:28.to be about. In the end, I think the public are reacting against a group
:49:28. > :49:35.of people and footballers are included, they are hugely
:49:35. > :49:38.privileged, lots of money, and they are above the law when everybody
:49:38. > :49:45.else can't make racist statements and can't go around biting people.
:49:45. > :49:49.Tina? Why are we talking about Suarez? We put this on the Newsbeat
:49:49. > :49:54.Facebook page and it got a huge response. Jamie said, "I want to
:49:54. > :49:59.know why UK law doesn't apply to football pitches. Assault and racism
:49:59. > :50:07.need to be stopped." Adam, "Should have been banned from the Premier
:50:07. > :50:12.League. They should be given the punishment we get." "It's a
:50:12. > :50:18.ludicrous ban. I have seen a lot worse on a football pitch. He shows
:50:18. > :50:28.passion, unlike so many others." The Power Bar update. Sara, you have
:50:28. > :50:29.
:50:29. > :50:35.caught up with David. Neck-and-neck. Very good. The death of Lady
:50:35. > :50:38.Thatcher provoked a huge response from young and old with many
:50:38. > :50:43.conflicting opinions about her legacy. The Free Speech audience
:50:43. > :50:53.have had their say too. Here are a few thoughts to start you off.
:50:53. > :50:55.
:50:55. > :51:04.Strong minded. Patriotic. Short-sighted. The Iron Lady.Strong
:51:04. > :51:09.lady. U-turn, if you want to. female Prime Minister. Shift of the
:51:09. > :51:19.political spectrum. Communities destroyed by unemployment. Lack of
:51:19. > :51:19.
:51:19. > :51:28.social housing. Get rich quick.The Lady is not for turning. Unlucky.
:51:28. > :51:34.Lucky. Very lucky. Does it matter? It's happened. Lucky.Move on. Her
:51:34. > :51:39.legacy remains. We have a question from Josh? Was it right to celebrate
:51:39. > :51:44.the death of Thatcher? "Yes" or "no"? Celebrate the death of
:51:44. > :51:49.someone? No, that is never right. I think you can politically disagree
:51:49. > :51:55.with someone. David and I politically disagree on a lot of
:51:55. > :51:59.things. I would like to think when either of us pass away the other one
:51:59. > :52:03.won't dance on the grave! You have had two very strong opinions come
:52:03. > :52:06.out on either side. People aren't looking at the facts. People aren't
:52:06. > :52:09.looking at the facts that the Labour Government before her closed more
:52:09. > :52:15.mining pits than she did in 11 years. They closed more in five
:52:15. > :52:18.years. There are a lot of myths out there. I implore people before we
:52:18. > :52:22.make these judgments, just go out and read about it for yourselves.
:52:22. > :52:29.Read some things you don't necessarily think you will agree
:52:29. > :52:36.with and test yourself and say, "Did I know that about what she did?" See
:52:36. > :52:40.exactly what she stood for in the world. Please, no matter who it is,
:52:40. > :52:45.when Chavez died, a lot of people were celebrating. Don't celebrate
:52:45. > :52:50.someone's death. David? If you were growing up in an inner city area, as
:52:50. > :52:53.I was, if you saw riots, if you were a miner, if you were fighting
:52:53. > :52:56.against apartheid, this is not a woman you feel like you want to
:52:56. > :53:03.celebrate. I don't think you should celebrate someone's death. You have
:53:03. > :53:12.to ask who is the person that created a culture, a consumerism, a
:53:12. > :53:16.lack of decency? Where did that begin? In the' 80s. Charlotte?
:53:16. > :53:22.let other people tell you what to think. Let's remember - I wasn't
:53:22. > :53:26.born in the '70s. Rats, bodies uncollected, three-day weeks, the
:53:26. > :53:31."Winter of Discontent" was a bad place. Heath was responsible for
:53:31. > :53:35.that. The mining community was not sustainable. It had been closing.
:53:35. > :53:41.Thatcher switched off the liep support machine. That is not to
:53:41. > :53:50.undermine the -- the life-support machine. That is not to under mine
:53:50. > :53:53.that - it is a complex legacy. It's made me read a lot more about
:53:53. > :53:56.what's happened under Thatcher's Government. It brings us together,
:53:56. > :54:02.whether we agree or disagree. We now talk about what we do. That is what
:54:02. > :54:12.I think. A quick show of hands. Who feels like Thatcher had a positive
:54:12. > :54:12.
:54:12. > :54:22.legacy? Who thinks negative? Interesting. Any specific thoughts?
:54:22. > :54:25.With Thatcher, a lot of her legacy - she brought the country forward into
:54:25. > :54:29.a time that other places in the world had got to before us. We
:54:29. > :54:34.cannot forget a lot of the divisive politics that she stood for and
:54:34. > :54:39.whilst a lot of the things would have happened without her, we cannot
:54:39. > :54:43.forget that millions of people were unemployed and she wasn't perfect,
:54:43. > :54:47.but she wasn't evil at the same time. You should never celebrate
:54:47. > :54:52.someone's death. Tina, a final look at the Power Bar? It's been
:54:52. > :54:59.interesting. Charlotte, you slipped ahead of David, now you have slipped
:54:59. > :55:06.back. Overall tonight, David, you are the winner. Congratulations.
:55:06. > :55:13.That means you get to have the final say. You have 15 seconds. That's on
:55:13. > :55:19.this debate. David?For this debate, it keeps changing. We have worked
:55:19. > :55:23.out the maths behind it. David is the winner! It is not a fix. David?
:55:23. > :55:29.Look, I think, as I said, young people are getting a raw deal in
:55:29. > :55:33.this country. Unemployment, tuition fees, and the discussion we have had
:55:33. > :55:36.about the minimum wage. For those reasons, you have to be politically
:55:36. > :55:41.engaged. You have to stand up to the Coalition Government. You have to
:55:41. > :55:44.pressure my party to continue to do better, basically. This country
:55:44. > :55:49.needs a proper politics that addresses the issues of our time. We
:55:49. > :55:52.have been debating the 1980s. We are living with the legacy of the 1980s.
:55:52. > :56:02.We need to move forward together and this programme has demonstrated
:56:02. > :56:03.
:56:03. > :56:09.that. That is almost it. Thank you to our audience. Our panel and to
:56:09. > :56:12.you at home for sending in all of your comments. The debate will
:56:12. > :56:18.continue online every day of every week of every month of the year.
:56:18. > :56:25.Join us next time. We will be live on May 22nd at 8.00pm. We will leave
:56:25. > :56:33.you with some more thoughts on education from Suli Brakes. This one
:56:33. > :56:38.is for my generation. Picture their future, accept destiny on Facebook.
:56:38. > :56:43.This one has my failures and drop-outs. Shop assistants and
:56:43. > :56:47.cleaners and cashiers, my self-employed entrepreneurs, the