:00:15. > :00:21.want to hear from you. -- this is a grand. The only show where you can
:00:21. > :00:31.express issues that you want to hear about. You make your own luck in
:00:31. > :00:32.
:00:32. > :00:37.this world. I can't lose an entire generation. You have got people
:00:37. > :00:47.spitting about being statistics. government telling you what to do,
:00:47. > :00:57.
:00:57. > :01:03.it is so patronising. Oh, my God. St Columb's Hall in Derry,
:01:03. > :01:07.Londonderry, call it what you will, here we are. We want to hear what
:01:07. > :01:16.everyone here has two say and what you at home have two say as well.
:01:16. > :01:21.You have do tell Tina Daheley. you very much. Tell me your opinions
:01:21. > :01:29.and I will bring them to the heart of our discussion in the studio. Get
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:01:50. > :01:55.name of a panellist each time you agree or disagree. And our panel's
:01:55. > :02:01.first job is to tell us who they are and why they are here. My name is
:02:01. > :02:08.Colum Eastwood, I am an STL P MLA for Derry, I am glad to be here to
:02:08. > :02:13.engage with you on the issues of today. I am Zoe Salmon, I am a TV
:02:13. > :02:22.broadcaster and I am here to hear your views. I am Alastair Ross,
:02:22. > :02:25.member of the Northern Ireland assembly. I am president of the
:02:25. > :02:35.National union of students, union of students in Ireland and I believe
:02:35. > :02:40.
:02:40. > :02:43.passionately in youth and student conference in the last hour, the
:02:43. > :02:46.prime minister has described the killing of a man outside an army
:02:46. > :02:50.barracks in south London is absolutely sickening. He said
:02:50. > :02:53.details were still coming in but there is every indication it was a
:02:53. > :02:57.terrorist attack. The victim is thought to be a soldier who was
:02:57. > :03:03.attacked with knives and a meat cleaver. A question to each of our
:03:03. > :03:05.panellists, what do you think the government response should he?
:03:05. > :03:13.express my condolences to this man's family, it sounds like a very
:03:13. > :03:17.barbaric attack. What we need to do is remember that this is the act of
:03:17. > :03:21.madmen and our response needs to be proportional to that. The government
:03:21. > :03:26.and the community need to be aware that these are madmen and we should
:03:26. > :03:30.not stoop to their level. As David Cameron has said in the last half an
:03:30. > :03:35.hour, if this is in fact a terrorist attack, we have very little
:03:35. > :03:40.information at the moment, we can't let the terrorists win. We need to
:03:40. > :03:46.do our best to go on and live our lives. We can't let the terrorists
:03:46. > :03:50.win. It is an absolutely horrific event. We have heard some news
:03:50. > :03:54.coming through at the moment, irrespective of who these people
:03:54. > :03:58.work and what their motivation was, it was an evil act. What we learned
:03:58. > :04:02.in the aftermath of the Boston bombings, social media plays an
:04:02. > :04:11.important role, people put rumours and speculation on twitter and
:04:11. > :04:15.Facebook, people should resist from doing that. I want to echo the
:04:15. > :04:22.comments of the rest of the panel, it is a terrible thing that has
:04:22. > :04:27.happened but let's not jump to conclusions. Somebody has lost their
:04:27. > :04:30.life and we need to give the family time to grieve. Let's get back to
:04:30. > :04:39.our main topic. The whole world was shocked when they garment factory in
:04:39. > :04:45.Anglo - collapsed, killing over 1100 workers. Is it time to start
:04:45. > :04:55.thinking about how and why we shop. We have spoken to Meehail and
:04:55. > :05:00.
:05:00. > :05:03.Colleen, who have very different of age. When I heard the factory had
:05:03. > :05:08.collapsed in Bangladesh, I was shocked and outraged. I could no
:05:08. > :05:15.longer sick back and watch it so I decided to organise a demonstration
:05:15. > :05:19.in the high Street in Derry. The aim was to nick people aware of where
:05:19. > :05:25.their clothes come from and to place as much pass -- pressure as possible
:05:25. > :05:30.to sign the Bangladesh safety agreement. I am Colleen and I am 20
:05:30. > :05:35.and I am studying hairdressing. I do need access to cheap clothes. They
:05:35. > :05:41.shut down all of the cheap shots, I wouldn't be able to afford to go
:05:41. > :05:48.into any other shops. For a trainee, I don't think I earn a lot of money.
:05:48. > :05:52.For �46 a week, I have do give housekeeping, have to pay travel,
:05:52. > :05:59.have two pay for food and entertainment, toiletries and food.
:05:59. > :06:03.I love shopping, it is my world and I would be lost without it. I think
:06:03. > :06:08.cheap clothes cost lives. I think in many cases, the cost is much more
:06:08. > :06:13.important than the condition. I think the quantity of cheap clothes
:06:13. > :06:19.on the market, and the low cost of them, encourages people to buy more
:06:20. > :06:23.than they need. I like to drive -- buy dresses, they make me feel
:06:23. > :06:28.better about myself. I should think about where my clothes are made, but
:06:28. > :06:35.I don't. Colleen is here. What would you like to ask the panel?
:06:35. > :06:41.shouldn't I buy cheap clothes? want to keep this debate moving, you
:06:41. > :06:44.have 30 seconds to give us a taste of your point of view. I think we
:06:44. > :06:48.all have a responsibility for the things that we buy and the people
:06:48. > :06:53.that make those things. I think we should spend a little more, not a
:06:53. > :06:57.lot more, to try to make sure people who are making our clothes are
:06:57. > :07:01.protected and given human rights and dignity that would be expected by
:07:01. > :07:05.all of us. Globalisation shouldn't just be a bad thing, we can export
:07:05. > :07:11.the good parts of what we do. If you look at the fair trade movement,
:07:11. > :07:16.with tea and coffee, that can be similarly done with clothes. That
:07:16. > :07:20.was spot on, very impressive. What do you think about this, Zoe?
:07:20. > :07:23.it is important to look at the success side of what and the Dutch
:07:23. > :07:27.have done for themselves as a country. They are the second biggest
:07:27. > :07:31.country in the world for the export of garments and that in itself is
:07:31. > :07:35.fantastic, for them to have come so far. If you look at the women in
:07:35. > :07:41.these factories, they are sowing, dying, stitching the clothes, months
:07:41. > :07:45.ago they were in rural dwellings, not even allowed in the front part
:07:46. > :07:49.of the houses. They have gone in their millions to the city and they
:07:49. > :07:59.are getting a wage and they are bringing it back to their family. I
:07:59. > :07:59.
:07:59. > :08:04.would say that yes, it can be viewed money, what ever they are earning.
:08:04. > :08:09.Why don't we double that? It is not an awful lot for us to give them the
:08:09. > :08:12.extra money but it can make a whole different to them. I would like to
:08:12. > :08:16.congratulate Bangladesh on what they have achieved so far and I would
:08:16. > :08:22.say, let's keep on supporting what they are doing. But let's pay them a
:08:22. > :08:28.little bit more. Be prepared to pay more for our clothes, to ensure
:08:28. > :08:31.working conditions are better in factories overseas? I don't think
:08:31. > :08:35.the cost should fall on us, it should fall on the company's that
:08:35. > :08:40.are employing these people. The only people that are winning here is the
:08:40. > :08:44.company. We're not getting top quality clothes at cheap prices, you
:08:44. > :08:52.get what you pay for the people making profits are the companies and
:08:52. > :08:59.they should be made to play. -- to pay. Anyone else? It is quite
:08:59. > :09:02.clear, these businesses are forcing almost slavery on third world
:09:02. > :09:07.countries who are making fashion, that it is the workforce, the only
:09:07. > :09:12.place where they can bend the boundaries. The machines cost too
:09:12. > :09:16.much money so they put pressure on the people. One query and concern I
:09:16. > :09:23.would have as a consumer and someone involved in the fashion industry is
:09:23. > :09:30.how do they ensure that they are making sure better rights, better
:09:30. > :09:36.support. But the availability of a good time, employability for these
:09:36. > :09:40.places, how do they go about making sure that is done well? I have seen
:09:40. > :09:45.previous legislation where they have closed down factories where children
:09:45. > :09:50.were working in HASP conditions -- harsh conditions. Those children
:09:50. > :09:54.were forced into prostitution, road-building, selling themselves,
:09:54. > :10:00.it is terrible. They need to make sure that consequences are kept in
:10:00. > :10:08.place. It needs to be legislated correctly and strictly. If you agree
:10:08. > :10:14.or disagree, let Tina no. It is busy on line already, Edward says it does
:10:14. > :10:20.not mind paying more as long as he knows it is definitely going to help
:10:20. > :10:30.the workers are not going into some highly paid executive pocket. Ryan
:10:30. > :10:38.
:10:38. > :10:43.clothes? Consumers have the power here. We know that people care about
:10:43. > :10:46.working conditions but we know the opportunity to get a bargain on the
:10:46. > :10:52.high Street trumps those concerns. If there is enough pressure put on
:10:52. > :10:55.retailers, they will sign up to better conditions for people in
:10:55. > :11:02.south-east Asia, Bangladesh and China and people -- polices like
:11:02. > :11:05.that. -- places like that. These countries rely very much on this
:11:05. > :11:12.sort of trade. The worst thing we could do is stop that trade because
:11:12. > :11:17.it will hurt the very people we care about. Adrian, you have become quite
:11:17. > :11:22.involved with an ethical fashion business yourself? Through the
:11:22. > :11:25.National union of students, we have realised that they really care about
:11:25. > :11:32.ethical clothing and trading. Through purchasing Consortium, we
:11:32. > :11:40.have purchased a clothing company in Asia and we are taking it very
:11:40. > :11:45.seriously in terms of manufacturing and ensuring workers are paid far
:11:45. > :11:48.above the average wage in the country that they operate in. It is
:11:48. > :11:54.important that young people know about this and they get the
:11:54. > :11:57.opportunity to buy clothes that are ethical. It is about blood on your
:11:57. > :12:01.clothes and what happened in Bangladesh is a perfect example of
:12:01. > :12:06.when the garment industry is at its worst. What has been the impact on
:12:06. > :12:10.the cost to the consumers? It has been -- maybe clothes more expensive
:12:10. > :12:14.but I don't think consumers mind having to pay a bit more if they
:12:14. > :12:20.note it is coming from an ethical source. All of our cotton is fair
:12:20. > :12:26.trade. Factory workers are entitled to time off and maternity leave. It
:12:26. > :12:32.costs more but when you put the video on and it has cost �25 instead
:12:32. > :12:37.of �18, you know it is coming from an ethical place -- when you put the
:12:37. > :12:42.foodie -- the hooded jumper on. is the place where we find out what
:12:42. > :12:49.you have been saying -- what the audience at home think of what you
:12:49. > :12:55.have been saying. Adrianne, you are in the lead so far. Alistair, you
:12:55. > :12:58.have some catching up to do. It could all change.
:12:58. > :13:05.Is there anyone here who is not prepared to pay more for their
:13:05. > :13:15.clothes? I guess you? At the end of the day, you can't afford it. If you
:13:15. > :13:22.
:13:22. > :13:28.are not earning, what are you going to do? Selena, you work at the only
:13:28. > :13:35.remaining shirt factory in Derry. Why have the numbers dwindled so
:13:35. > :13:39.much? The problem started when factories increased their size, so
:13:39. > :13:45.they could do cheaper production. They moved to overseas production
:13:45. > :13:50.instead. Factories became empty and staff were made redundant. Our
:13:50. > :13:55.factory, we have always stayed very traditional, we cut everything by
:13:55. > :13:59.hand, we are responsive, we react quickly to fashions and trends so
:13:59. > :14:06.that we can compete with bigger brands. We have continued to keep
:14:06. > :14:11.the staff at a very skilled higher level. We sell in Bloomingdale's,
:14:11. > :14:17.Selfridge's, Harvey Nichols and that sort of market. You're not competing
:14:17. > :14:27.against the fast fashion? No. We couldn't compete. Is there any way
:14:27. > :14:31.
:14:31. > :14:39.of bringing the industry back to Japan, they love just things.
:14:39. > :14:48.British things. If we stop buying clothes from overseas, what would be
:14:48. > :14:53.the impact on workers in places like Bangladesh?
:14:53. > :14:58.Bangladesh is only next to China, it is really good at making clothes. It
:14:58. > :15:02.has the capacity, the know-how, the resources. We need to improve our
:15:02. > :15:06.building conditions but it is the responsibility shared by the factory
:15:06. > :15:10.owners and the government and respective ministries. So instead of
:15:10. > :15:16.stopping buying Angle dishy clothes, you should really focus on buying
:15:16. > :15:22.Bangladeshi clothes. It will improve the conditions of the people working
:15:22. > :15:26.in the industry. The workers who work in factories make about $2 a
:15:26. > :15:36.day, which is more than the average money that poor person in Bangladesh
:15:36. > :15:52.
:15:52. > :15:57.makes everyday. Some comments coming in Bangladesh need jobs, but the
:15:57. > :16:01.people he also needs jobs. So there has got to be a balance that is
:16:01. > :16:08.struck. Are you concerned that jobs are not being created in the textile
:16:08. > :16:10.industry for you here, there is high unemployment? I would think that
:16:10. > :16:16.whenever you have jobs here that have gone redundant due to moving
:16:16. > :16:20.overseas, it was simply because the businesses are determined to have an
:16:20. > :16:27.endless pursuit of profit, they are not really concerned with which
:16:27. > :16:31.country grows. So why do we send all our resources over to Bangladesh,
:16:31. > :16:35.they are becoming dependent on those industries, and they are not
:16:36. > :16:39.motivated to reduce growth and new industries in their own country. The
:16:39. > :16:45.status of that country will never increase. All the while, we declined
:16:45. > :16:55.due to us not anything either. Anyone else got a comment on this
:16:55. > :16:55.
:16:55. > :17:36.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 40 seconds
:17:36. > :17:40.issue? Lots of messages coming in equal marriage bill was passed last
:17:40. > :17:44.night despite almost being derailed by Conservative MPs earlier in the
:17:44. > :17:49.week. In Northern Ireland a motion calling for equal marriage was
:17:49. > :17:54.defeated by assembly members just a few weeks ago. Barry has a question.
:17:54. > :18:01.Why should two people in love not have the right to be married?
:18:01. > :18:05.go to Alastair and lead but 30 seconds on the clock. It is a very
:18:05. > :18:10.divisive issue, we have seen that at Westminster. It is also divisive
:18:10. > :18:14.here in Northern Ireland. It is a devolved issue so we can decide what
:18:14. > :18:22.we do in this regard. We have had two debates in six months, we have
:18:22. > :18:25.the view that we are not to redefine marriage. It is important people are
:18:25. > :18:29.given the opportunity to have their relationship recognised but the
:18:29. > :18:38.important point is no party in Northern Ireland, no mainstream
:18:38. > :18:44.party in the UK have this in their manifesto. Adrian, how would you
:18:44. > :18:54.respond? I applaud every single MP who voted in favour of equal
:18:54. > :19:04.marriage over the last two days. Second of all, I don't think you
:19:04. > :19:11.need to have equality and a manifesto in order to deliver on it.
:19:11. > :19:15.It is not an equality issue. It is, it is about two people being able to
:19:15. > :19:18.declare their love each other and be recognised by the state. Let's say
:19:18. > :19:22.that you changed this and black people getting married, let's
:19:22. > :19:26.replace the word gay with any other kind of demographic, suddenly it
:19:26. > :19:32.becomes horrendous to and incredibly in equal. Let's replace it with
:19:32. > :19:36.Catholic and Protestant. Its flight in the face of equality. So I say,
:19:36. > :19:39.absolutely, if you think marriage equality is not going to happen in
:19:39. > :19:49.Northern Ireland then you are living under a rock, because it will happen
:19:49. > :19:53.
:19:53. > :19:58.eventually. It is not an equality issue, it is the UN who have said is
:19:58. > :20:01.-- it is not an equality issue. They determine it is up to individual
:20:02. > :20:06.states to legislate for that. So that is important. The point I made
:20:07. > :20:10.about it not being in the manifesto, that is a crime tract between voters
:20:10. > :20:15.and politicians. No partition can say they have a mandate for having
:20:15. > :20:22.such a fundamental social change -- no politician. Until they have it in
:20:22. > :20:25.their manifesto, they cannot do it. I applaud whoever is ensuring it
:20:25. > :20:29.happens. I would not criticise anybody who is in favour of equal
:20:29. > :20:35.marriage, I applaud every single MP who has nailed their colours to the
:20:35. > :20:39.mast and said they are there for the LGB T community and they are
:20:39. > :20:43.standing by their gay comrades in terms of equal marriage. One day it
:20:43. > :20:46.will happen in Northern Ireland, maybe not tomorrow or in six months
:20:46. > :20:49.but when you are in a room full of young people, who are your
:20:49. > :20:56.constituents and they are telling you that marriage equality is
:20:56. > :20:59.important to them, it will happen. It is also important that we respect
:20:59. > :21:03.the views of the tens of thousands of people in Northern Ireland who
:21:03. > :21:06.don't agree with you. It is important that we do that. I think
:21:06. > :21:13.the most intolerant language in this debate have come from those who
:21:13. > :21:19.support gay marriage. That is disappointing. Differing opinions,
:21:19. > :21:29.safe to say. Are we getting a varied response? The majority of people
:21:29. > :21:46.
:21:46. > :21:49.don't agree with you at home, to hear the result last night. I was
:21:49. > :21:53.someone who spoke in favour of equal marriage in the Northern Ireland
:21:53. > :21:57.assembly, I've voted in favour of it. I was disappointed that we
:21:57. > :22:02.couldn't get it across the line because my honest belief is that
:22:02. > :22:06.although we have difficulties with this issue, if two people love each
:22:06. > :22:10.other, they should be entitled to get marriage. It doesn't offend me
:22:10. > :22:15.in the slightest. I believe in marriage, I'm getting married this
:22:15. > :22:22.year. I don't think if two men or two women are allowed to be
:22:22. > :22:30.married, that doesn't threaten me or my marriage or one bit at all.
:22:30. > :22:34.about you, Zoe? When I put my lawyers had on, I'm 100% agree with
:22:34. > :22:41.the legislation in terms of equality. I think it is a basic
:22:41. > :22:45.human rights for everyone. However, taking it off, it is down there and
:22:45. > :22:50.I'm putting on the hat that says, I do have a question of morals and
:22:50. > :22:55.beliefs. I think marriage is a union between a man and a woman and
:22:55. > :22:58.therefore in terms of legislation, it is very important that the
:22:58. > :23:05.different ridges institutions, it is up to them whether or not they
:23:05. > :23:09.implement it. -- religious institutions. Legislation does allow
:23:09. > :23:13.for judges to opt out of it, and that is fair enough. But I think the
:23:14. > :23:19.state, government, need to take a different view, and as different
:23:19. > :23:22.view from churches. We do have a separation of church and state and
:23:22. > :23:27.that is a healthy thing. Thankfully the Westminster government have made
:23:27. > :23:36.this decision. I hope to God we can follow them some day in Northern
:23:36. > :23:39.Ireland. Anyone in the audience disagreed? Certainly there is no
:23:39. > :23:45.doubt it is a divisive issue and certainly not everyone here is going
:23:45. > :23:49.to agree. Personally speaking, I feel we shouldn't be redefining the
:23:49. > :23:53.term marriage, I believe it is between a man and a woman. However,
:23:53. > :23:59.I am not going to force that on anybody else, that is my personal
:23:59. > :24:04.belief, my party's belief. But I certainly respect everybody else's
:24:04. > :24:10.opinion on it as well. I think we must respect the rights of those who
:24:10. > :24:13.are expected to carry out the ceremony as well. It is important
:24:13. > :24:20.that is respected. We must rumba there is certainly a widespread
:24:20. > :24:22.support for gay marriage, no doubt about that. -- we must remember. But
:24:22. > :24:32.there is more support in Northern Ireland for marriage to stay where
:24:32. > :24:32.
:24:32. > :24:39.it is. I think this room is losing with people who say yes to marriage
:24:39. > :24:42.equality. We are in the 21st-century. I am a 22-year-old
:24:42. > :24:48.student and I have never, ever come across somebody on any campers, who
:24:48. > :24:58.disagrees with this. I think it is absolutely ludicrous. If a woman
:24:58. > :25:00.
:25:00. > :25:07.loves a woman, if a man loves a man, it is the same thing. I just...
:25:07. > :25:11.cannot understand the opposition at all? At the end of the day, the law
:25:12. > :25:18.of the land is for everybody. It is not for a minority or a majority. It
:25:18. > :25:28.is for everybody who lives in the country. Lots of people are talking
:25:28. > :25:34.
:25:34. > :25:38.T-shirt. I found it quite reassuring that Alastair is here and speaking
:25:38. > :25:44.against gay marriage. The DV have often been opposed to equal rights
:25:44. > :25:47.for everybody. They tried to enforce that here for a lot of years. To
:25:47. > :25:52.hear a white, middle-class heterosexual male telling anybody
:25:52. > :25:57.what they can or cannot do is absolutely horrendous. Alastair
:25:57. > :26:04.should hang his head in shame that he is perpetrating these things.
:26:04. > :26:12.Very strong opinions. Down to this gentleman. I would like to ask
:26:12. > :26:18.Alastair about the fundamentals of what marriage is. It is based on
:26:18. > :26:24.ridges tenets which are by nature completely subjective. -- religious
:26:24. > :26:27.tenets. Why should policy be based on subjective things, in biology,
:26:27. > :26:31.homosexual behaviour is natural among all creatures and it has been
:26:31. > :26:36.documented. I would like you define scientific proof that not refuted by
:26:36. > :26:43.any biologist or psychologist that something natural should not be
:26:43. > :26:48.disallowed. This is not an anti-gay stance, it is a pro-traditional
:26:48. > :26:56.marriage stance. It is not the media say, the United Nations declaration
:26:56. > :27:01.of human rights has upheld that view. -- it is not for me to say. I
:27:01. > :27:04.think there are civil partnerships there to give a legal repetition --
:27:04. > :27:09.recognition of two people of the same sex who are in love. But you
:27:09. > :27:11.have to understand there is massive anxiety out there in the community,
:27:11. > :27:17.from Protestants and Roman Catholics, about redefining
:27:17. > :27:21.marriage. Among the younger graphic you have a certain view but there
:27:21. > :27:26.are people across Northern Ireland, across Northern Ireland, who take a
:27:26. > :27:31.different view. Look at Westminster, more conservatives ruled against
:27:31. > :27:38.this than for it. This is an issue that people in all sorts of parties,
:27:38. > :27:42.and including his party, they have strong feelings on it. I am
:27:42. > :27:47.reflecting people who vote for me, and I am reflecting an opinion that
:27:47. > :27:57.is out there in the community. ever, this topic is getting people
:27:57. > :28:28.
:28:28. > :28:38.going. Lots of opinions coming you get on twitter now and tell our
:28:38. > :29:00.
:29:00. > :29:05.panellists what you think of them. support from their parents,
:29:05. > :29:10.according to a new survey which found that eight out of ten people
:29:10. > :29:16.aged 18 to 30 had had help from the bank of mum and dad. Here are a few
:29:16. > :29:19.thoughts. I rely quite a lot on my parents, I can't make it without
:29:19. > :29:25.their support. I rely a lot on my parents, we don't have much of a
:29:25. > :29:29.choice. It depends on the parents as well as the children. It is always
:29:29. > :29:35.good if parents are able to give help. I live with my mum, dad,
:29:35. > :29:41.brother, sister and boyfriend. have three flatmates. I live with my
:29:41. > :29:48.mum and my dad. I share it with my parents, I pay half and they pay
:29:48. > :29:52.half. I live in my dads that, he the bills. I am 23. If I am going home
:29:52. > :29:58.for the weekend, I will probably store it up in advance. I help with
:29:58. > :30:04.the cooking and cleaning. biggest thing my parents did for me
:30:04. > :30:08.was taught me a house, and a car. They have paid for my education
:30:08. > :30:12.through to my masters. The biggest thing they have done is to raise me
:30:12. > :30:19.in a loving and caring environment, that is the biggest help they could
:30:19. > :30:26.ever give me. A house and a car! Apparently in Derry men live at
:30:26. > :30:30.homes with their mum and dad as much as possible. There is a joke that
:30:30. > :30:40.Jesus must have been from Derry because he lived at home until he is
:30:40. > :30:43.
:30:43. > :30:50.30. I live with my parents! course! On a more serious note, here
:30:50. > :30:57.it is referred to as being a mummy's boy. Other cultures look on it as
:30:57. > :31:02.being more serious, in Japan they call them a parasite single. It
:31:02. > :31:06.contrasts a lot depending on the culture. There is a major problem
:31:06. > :31:09.with young people around my age and younger, we have to carry the debt
:31:09. > :31:13.that the bankers have left us with and we won't be able to afford to
:31:13. > :31:16.buy our own homes. It is an issue that more and more people have
:31:16. > :31:23.deliver at home through necessity rather than choice. Out of interest,
:31:23. > :31:32.who else with this -- lives with a family member, a parent. A lot. Who
:31:32. > :31:39.do you live with? My mummy.How is it? Stressful sometimes.I am not
:31:39. > :31:47.going to delve further into that! Julia has a question. It is specific
:31:47. > :31:53.to students. Do you think the increasing cost of education is
:31:53. > :32:00.forcing an undue burden on parents? Unemployment levels in Northern
:32:00. > :32:03.Ireland are at a 15 year high. A record high for 18 to 24-year-olds.
:32:03. > :32:09.One in four young people are finding it impossible to get a job. It makes
:32:09. > :32:14.my heart I think of these young people who have gone through
:32:14. > :32:17.apprenticeships and degrees and can't get a job. It is up to parents
:32:18. > :32:24.to provide the love and the shelter and food that they need, even though
:32:24. > :32:29.they are in their mid-20s or whatever. I had time to spare!
:32:29. > :32:37.Adrianne, you are a parent, what is your approach going to be?
:32:37. > :32:42.daughter is seven so she lives with me of course! Work-shy!It is not
:32:42. > :32:47.students to force education to be so expensive. The average dude and is
:32:47. > :32:50.not the same as ten or 15 years ago, -- the average student is not the
:32:50. > :32:56.same. It is about the lack of employment, we have a generation
:32:56. > :33:00.facing down the barrel. We will be worse off than our parents were and
:33:00. > :33:03.that has never happened before. This is a government who are not
:33:04. > :33:08.prioritising young people, both in Northern Ireland and Westminster. We
:33:08. > :33:12.have seen use and implement skyrocket to highest levels and it
:33:12. > :33:15.is not good enough for stock we need to take action and give young people
:33:15. > :33:18.more opportunities, so they don't have to live with their parents.
:33:19. > :33:26.They don't want to be relying on their parents, they want to be
:33:26. > :33:29.self-sufficient. We are live, you can talk to us, Facebook, Twitter,
:33:29. > :33:39.BBC online. Your opinion at home matters just as much as in the
:33:39. > :33:53.
:33:53. > :34:00.studio. A really interesting angle thing. Is there an alternative? Who
:34:00. > :34:03.else is going to support you? Realistically, it seems that half of
:34:03. > :34:08.the problem is coming from the educational standpoint, the finance
:34:08. > :34:12.to fund further education in some places, it has gone beyond a joke
:34:12. > :34:15.where you can't afford it. If there is a way to make further education
:34:15. > :34:19.free and available to everybody, that would solve the vast majority
:34:19. > :34:22.of the problems in terms of payments. It means you could go on
:34:22. > :34:29.and get a better job without worrying about being able to afford
:34:29. > :34:35.it. Where is the other Colin? Sometimes you will get a boom
:34:35. > :34:45.microphone in the head on a live TV show! Why are we in this position?
:34:45. > :34:52.
:34:52. > :34:59.focused and know where they want to get. People need the support of
:34:59. > :35:04.their families. People rely on their parents are lots more. I think
:35:04. > :35:11.schools and education places need to teach students how to do that,
:35:11. > :35:16.especially boys. Who thinks that young people should be standing on
:35:16. > :35:19.their own two feet a bit more and looking after themselves? I feel
:35:19. > :35:25.that moving out on your own can be a very daunting prospect and there is
:35:25. > :35:29.nothing really, no support for those sort of people. Moving out on their
:35:29. > :35:37.own for a first time. It would be a nonbeliever be hard budget to do
:35:37. > :35:40.things like that. -- unbelievably hard budget. Maybe the government
:35:40. > :35:48.should make people more inclined to want to move out, away from the
:35:48. > :35:52.comfort zone. A financial incentive of some sort. This gentleman.
:35:52. > :35:59.young people to be independent, they need more jobs and they need better
:35:59. > :36:03.skills and the like. The duty of Stormont, of the government, is to
:36:03. > :36:07.improve the Northern Irish economy and they have failed to do that for
:36:07. > :36:11.ten years. What I find really depressing, the problems of Northern
:36:11. > :36:14.Ireland are very deep-set, but if you look at the economic manifestoes
:36:14. > :36:21.of the Democratic Unionist party and Sinn Fein, they are almost
:36:21. > :36:25.identical. They both agreed that skills need to be proved --
:36:25. > :36:31.improved, infrastructure needs to be better, schools need to be better.
:36:31. > :36:36.They seem to agree so much and they are failing to do it. I think the
:36:36. > :36:41.blame is on the politicians. APPLAUSE
:36:41. > :36:44.Let's give credit where it is due. Northern Ireland students don't have
:36:44. > :36:50.to pay as high fees as they do elsewhere in the United Kingdom
:36:50. > :36:55.because the assembly took the decision to freeze fees. There has
:36:55. > :36:59.also been a decision to freeze educational maintenance allowance.
:36:59. > :37:02.People may argue it is not enough but at least it is something to help
:37:02. > :37:08.students to face additional barriers. That is something that is
:37:08. > :37:14.going on. In terms of the economy, all of the parties have a policy for
:37:14. > :37:21.getting more people into work. The first minister announced a scheme to
:37:21. > :37:24.get people into work. This is a serious issue and I think
:37:24. > :37:31.politicians are trying to help young people get a chance in life and get
:37:31. > :37:41.into work, it is something we should give them a chance at doing. Lots of
:37:41. > :37:49.
:37:49. > :37:58.make a grand assumption that every young person has wealthy parents to
:37:58. > :38:02.live off. This one says education is mostly nonsense, most of the things
:38:02. > :38:09.we need are in the real world. And DJ says the cost of education,
:38:09. > :38:15.living and low employment means no -- young people have no chance to
:38:15. > :38:25.save up and become in dependent. Adrianne come you have surged ahead
:38:25. > :38:31.
:38:31. > :38:35.more and more young people have got them. Since the start of the
:38:35. > :38:42.recession, the number of 16 to 24-year-olds on a zero hours
:38:42. > :38:48.contracts has more than doubled. It ties up the worker to be available
:38:48. > :38:52.but only pay them the hours they work. A zero hour contract for me
:38:52. > :38:56.means I have no jobs ability, I don't know how many hours I will get
:38:56. > :39:01.from week to week. I am at university and I need some sort of
:39:01. > :39:05.structure. More often than not, the question, can you come into work, is
:39:05. > :39:09.given at very short notice was that it is a rhetorical question because
:39:09. > :39:14.if you don't come into work, you are likely to be cut the next week. You
:39:14. > :39:21.are deemed to be unreliable. It is an abuse of power, being able to
:39:21. > :39:25.have an unlimited pool of workers, to give nobody that the commitment
:39:25. > :39:30.of employment and it is a shocking oversight by legislative assembly. I
:39:30. > :39:35.think it is thing that Adrianne would agree with. Has anybody had a
:39:35. > :39:39.positive experience? I agree with what you are saying but as a student
:39:39. > :39:43.I find the zero hour contract is very flexible and allows me to work
:39:43. > :39:47.or not work, to suit me. I have a lot of coursework and assignments
:39:47. > :39:53.and it suits me to say, I can't work this week because I need to finish
:39:54. > :40:01.those. They understand that and it is helpful that I am able to make it
:40:01. > :40:06.flexible, but at times I can be left short of money, or short of hours.
:40:06. > :40:14.It can be suitable for some people. Possibly you have a more
:40:15. > :40:20.understanding employer. And where is Michael? What is the panel's opinion
:40:20. > :40:27.on zero hour contracts? Are they for against it? We will start with
:40:27. > :40:32.Adrianne. I am definitely not in favour. I think... The thing that
:40:32. > :40:36.they all have in common, they come in many forms. The one thing they
:40:36. > :40:40.have in common is that they give the worker zero rights and they put all
:40:40. > :40:44.of the power back into the hands of the employer. They give you no
:40:45. > :40:49.sustainability, they give you zero assurances that you will even get
:40:49. > :40:52.work. It is really about employers holding all of the power. Particular
:40:52. > :40:56.for people who have caring responsibilities. I am a mum to a
:40:56. > :41:05.young child. If I didn't know week to week what my income was going to
:41:05. > :41:07.be, I would not be able to plan. Alistair, are you for against?
:41:08. > :41:14.dependent on circumstances. Some people relish the flexibility that
:41:14. > :41:21.he gives them. In principle?I think the flexible T4 employers and
:41:21. > :41:24.employees is a good thing mashed -- the flexibility for employers and
:41:24. > :41:28.employees. The more flexible itty that they have, the more inclined
:41:28. > :41:34.they are to try to create more jobs -- be more flexibility that they
:41:34. > :41:40.have. Most of our economy in Northern Ireland is small employers,
:41:40. > :41:44.the fax ability is very important. I know someone I spoke to yesterday
:41:44. > :41:48.who has a small child and they rely on the zero contract hours, of being
:41:48. > :41:53.able to get work at short notice, to come in and do a job. It is not
:41:53. > :41:58.going to suit everybody. It suits the needs of some people but for
:41:58. > :42:05.other people it is not a regular income. I think Flex ability should
:42:05. > :42:13.be encouraged. Zoe, who does this benefit? -- I think flexibility
:42:13. > :42:18.should be encouraged. It is often the case, if there is a zero hours
:42:18. > :42:21.contract available, I will take it, it is some form of employment. A lot
:42:21. > :42:26.of the people I spoke to have said, I am doing this as a means to an
:42:26. > :42:30.end, I am looking for another form of employment in the meantime. I
:42:30. > :42:34.think it is interesting that a lot of people are talking about it from
:42:34. > :42:39.the employee's point of view, but also from an employer's point of
:42:39. > :42:44.view. There is a lot of small business out there where they would
:42:44. > :42:49.not be able to survive if they didn't have the zero hour contracts.
:42:49. > :42:53.They would not be able to profit at all. I think from some employers
:42:53. > :42:59.point of use, they do need to exist. I don't agree with those employers
:42:59. > :43:03.who are having their cake and eating it too. Clearly people are desperate
:43:03. > :43:06.for work, it doesn't mean you strip away decades of hard work to ensure
:43:06. > :43:10.that people are protected and given the rights that they are deserved.
:43:10. > :43:14.That is what has happened, people have fought to get rights for
:43:14. > :43:20.workers. I think we are going back to Victorian age, if we allow this
:43:20. > :43:23.to become the norm. Whether people are young or not, they still deserve
:43:23. > :43:27.rights in their employment, security of tenure and everything else. I
:43:27. > :43:30.don't see how this could be beneficial for the economy as a
:43:30. > :43:35.whole. It is never beneficial for the economy when you treat people
:43:35. > :43:39.like this. I understand some people do want flexibility, but there are
:43:39. > :43:43.also people who are forced to sit at home and wait for a call. They might
:43:43. > :43:46.need to work two jobs but they can't because they are waiting for a call
:43:46. > :43:50.from another job. I don't think it is a sensible way to go. I think it
:43:50. > :44:00.is a way of getting around the advancement of employment rights and
:44:00. > :44:06.
:44:06. > :44:12.dealing with the issues for agency We need to give opportunity to young
:44:12. > :44:15.people and have job creation. By giving employers flexibility it
:44:15. > :44:21.increases confidence and increases the likelihood of creating jobs. I
:44:21. > :44:25.think people will benefit from that. The difficulty is, the flexibility
:44:25. > :44:29.you talk about, they have to sit in the house and wait for a phone call
:44:29. > :44:33.from one employer. They might need them one day, not another day. If
:44:33. > :44:37.they don't take the opportunity, I don't do employers will call them
:44:37. > :44:43.again. People cannot practically take up second employment because
:44:43. > :44:50.they are stuck waiting for this phone call that may never come.
:44:50. > :45:00.of employers are... I have lost my statistic. That is dreadful, to be
:45:00. > :45:00.
:45:00. > :45:06.honest. What is your take on zero our contracts? This entire contract
:45:06. > :45:11.is a burden on employees and employers. It is such a medieval
:45:11. > :45:15.debt bond that should never have resurfaced in modern times. All it
:45:15. > :45:21.does is quite literally lower the job numbers to disguise -- disguise
:45:21. > :45:26.the fact that they're right economic policies in place to separate the
:45:26. > :45:31.poor and the rich in this country. This is all a ruse so you think they
:45:31. > :45:39.are giving new employment in tough times, when it is them creating the
:45:39. > :45:47.tough times for you to need employment. What I was grappling
:45:47. > :45:51.fall was 23% of employers offer zero our contracts as an option. It very
:45:51. > :45:55.much depends on the employer. If you're looking at it from a student
:45:55. > :45:58.perspective and you see a student focused organisation, those
:45:58. > :46:03.contracts give students reflectivity when they are doing studies, can be
:46:03. > :46:08.beneficial for them. If it is looking at an external company like
:46:08. > :46:16.a global corporation giving these contracts with no job security at
:46:16. > :46:20.all, it becomes a serious problem especially among young people.
:46:20. > :46:28.whole concept is a double sided sword. It depends a lot on the
:46:28. > :46:32.business itself, if you owned small business and you had a big order
:46:32. > :46:42.coming up or a big event and needed extra hands, but you couldn't afford
:46:42. > :46:42.
:46:42. > :46:46.it, a zero our contract would give the employer the flexible do it.
:46:46. > :46:52.They also work in favour of the youth, particularly in this country.
:46:52. > :47:01.Do you work with a fixed term contract? At the minute I'm on work
:47:01. > :47:08.here it's -- experience because I am studying. A lot of the job
:47:09. > :47:13.advertising is, particularly in this area, call for a lot of experience.
:47:13. > :47:21.Some of them wanted five GCSEs and years experience just the selling
:47:21. > :47:27.sweets. It seems expressive -- excessive. These contracts allow a
:47:27. > :47:31.young person to take it or emigrate, a lot of young people in Northern
:47:31. > :47:36.Ireland are emigrating because there is just no work and companies are
:47:36. > :47:43.hiding behind these contracts, just to affect the figures for people who
:47:43. > :47:48.are really unemployed. The practical implications of the contracts mean
:47:48. > :47:52.that employers no longer have the responsibility to the employees of
:47:52. > :47:57.having to pay for sickness, for holidays, if you take time off, if
:47:57. > :48:04.you want to go away on holiday, you get no wages. It is the same with
:48:04. > :48:14.small our contracts, 14 our contracts, you are hampered. I think
:48:14. > :48:18.the employers need to take the employees seriously. Gentleman here?
:48:18. > :48:21.I would like to ask a serious question to the petitions, do you
:48:21. > :48:29.think Stormont would get more done if you were only paid for the hours
:48:29. > :48:35.you work in the chamber? -- to the politicians. I think some people
:48:35. > :48:41.wouldn't get paid very much, but I think you make a fair enough point.
:48:41. > :48:45.I wouldn't worry so much but time spending in the chamber, there are
:48:45. > :48:49.those who say we need to be doing more sitting, I would say that more
:48:49. > :48:51.legislation is not necessarily good for the economy. I say we need to be
:48:51. > :48:55.doing more sitting, I would say that more legislation is not necessarily
:48:55. > :49:05.good for the economy. I say when you go to talk to businesses is less
:49:05. > :49:05.
:49:05. > :50:08.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 40 seconds
:50:08. > :50:13.legislation, not more. If you agree, debate. Finally, this location is
:50:13. > :50:18.the first ever UK City of Culture. It is all kicking off here on
:50:19. > :50:26.Friday. You will be here for that? If I miss my flight back and someone
:50:26. > :50:34.gives me a ticket! We have a question. Do you feel that the City
:50:34. > :50:39.of Culture has met its expectations, that it was outlined
:50:39. > :50:44.at the beginning of the process? We're nearing the end of the show,
:50:44. > :50:50.let's rattle through and get a line from our panellists. I was involved
:50:51. > :50:56.in the bid team, so I'm very proud of the fact it is here. I think it
:50:56. > :51:00.is going to be a tremendous year, we have only just begun. We have one
:51:00. > :51:03.big weekend, this weekend, the Turner prize is coming to dairy for
:51:04. > :51:10.the first time ever outside England. I think we can make it a great year.
:51:10. > :51:15.We have to ensure that 2014 and 2015 great years as well, that we create
:51:15. > :51:18.a legacy for people here, showing the world would we can do, about
:51:18. > :51:27.creating employment for our young people. I think we should all be
:51:27. > :51:30.positive about it. Are you as positive about it? My lovely taxi
:51:30. > :51:33.man this evening, it is good to speak to someone who was in
:51:33. > :51:37.Londonderry, he was beaming and bursting with pride about the city
:51:37. > :51:42.and how much it has come on in the last couple of months. He says he
:51:42. > :51:47.goes to the airport to collect people, to bring them into the city
:51:47. > :51:51.centre, coming from all parts of the UK, he rings the fact of the airport
:51:51. > :51:56.of days later and they absolutely love it. -- he brings them back to
:51:56. > :52:02.the airport. They are always talking about it on Radio 1, it is so
:52:02. > :52:08.exciting, there are so many different, world-class events
:52:08. > :52:11.happening, it is unbelievable for Londonderry. This month alone, there
:52:11. > :52:16.are 44 events and hundreds more events are happening throughout the
:52:16. > :52:22.duration of the next six months. I am super excited and I hope to be
:52:22. > :52:29.coming along to some of them myself or stop well done for putting on a
:52:29. > :52:35.massive showcase for the world to see. Alastair, what would be the
:52:35. > :52:37.long-term economic benefits, do you think? It gets us noticed and
:52:38. > :52:42.changes the global perception of Northern Ireland as a whole. In
:52:42. > :52:48.recent years we have been successful in getting the events, from 2011
:52:48. > :52:56.with the MTV music awards, , the Irish open, this year we had the UK
:52:56. > :53:00.City of Culture, the G8 is coming here, next year we have the Giro
:53:00. > :53:05.d'Italia. I think people across Northern Ireland love the fact that
:53:05. > :53:09.those things are coming to Northern Ireland and they can get involved.
:53:09. > :53:13.think it is fantastic to be able to showcase the best of Northern
:53:13. > :53:17.Ireland and in particular the wonderful culture of Derry,
:53:17. > :53:23.Londonderry, and as we talk about shared strategy and shared future
:53:23. > :53:28.for Northern Ireland, what better than to have the City of Culture
:53:28. > :53:31.here in dairy, Londonderry. The only caveat is I haven't seen too many
:53:31. > :53:35.opportunities for young people to get involved with volunteering, or
:53:35. > :53:39.apprenticeships being made, I hope petitions will be listening to this
:53:39. > :53:45.and wondering how they can ensure that young people to benefit from
:53:45. > :53:47.tourism and job creation in this area. Thereafter we doesn't
:53:47. > :53:52.volunteering opportunities available, but there is very high
:53:52. > :53:59.unemployment or so. -- there are 3000 volunteering opportunities
:53:59. > :54:02.available. You had your hand up. Speaking as someone who lives in a
:54:03. > :54:07.row community near here, I wouldn't say that I would view it as a City
:54:07. > :54:14.of Culture being an important thing in the crow a rule community. If I
:54:14. > :54:21.was going to go anywhere, I would go to Belfast, and in fact, I barely
:54:21. > :54:24.ever hear of Derry. Before I came into the studio today, I heard of a
:54:24. > :54:32.couple of people taking surveys and they said, did you hear about the
:54:32. > :54:39.media things last week was Mac the BBC was doing a workshop. I haven't
:54:39. > :54:45.heard about it and I am on a journalism course. This gentleman
:54:45. > :54:49.had his hand up for a while. It is great to have tourism in, but
:54:49. > :54:56.personally I don't feel that Derry should have been the City of
:54:56. > :55:03.Culture. Simply for the fact that it is a city, we cannot even agree on a
:55:03. > :55:13.name for it, let alone... ! I feel we are going to talk about this
:55:13. > :55:35.
:55:35. > :55:39.get an update on the Power Bar to see who has won this debate. Overall
:55:39. > :55:45.tonight the final 30 seconds will go to who has done best throughout the
:55:45. > :55:54.show. And I can reveal that panellist is... Colum. Your 30
:55:54. > :55:58.seconds! I was sure that Zoe was going to win. All I would say was it
:55:58. > :56:03.is good to be involved in this kind of discussion. I think young people
:56:03. > :56:07.are often seen and not heard. People always talk about young people being
:56:07. > :56:10.the future. I think they are our present as well and it is important
:56:10. > :56:14.every single young person gets involved in whatever way possible to
:56:14. > :56:17.make sure we have a genuine, does it give discussion. Look at the gay
:56:18. > :56:21.marriage issue, that is where the future is. Young people are leaving
:56:21. > :56:31.that like they have led so many issues in the past. Keep it up and
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:56:34. > :56:44.and our panel. The debate continues online. Join us on June 12 in
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:56:50. > :57:00.clothes were made in? I think it is from America. Made in Lithuania.I
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