:00:15. > :00:25.we want to hear your views on the issues that you care about. Right
:00:25. > :00:41.
:00:41. > :00:51.is so patronising. There is a lot going on.
:00:51. > :00:59.
:00:59. > :01:04.Edwards, and we are live in Rainton Meadows Arena in Sunderland tonight.
:01:04. > :01:11.They are here to tell us what they think, and we want to hear what you
:01:11. > :01:14.think at home. Tell Tina Daheley. Good evening. Get your laptops,
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:01:34. > :01:38.the debate. One easy way to get your voice heard is via the Power Bar,
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:01:53. > :02:01.panellist every time you or disagree. Our panel's first job is
:02:01. > :02:07.to tell us why they are here. Akala, I am a hip-hop artist and
:02:07. > :02:14.educator. I am here to show you that UKIP has a dynamic group of people
:02:14. > :02:20.from all sorts of backgrounds. name is Grainne McGuire, I am a
:02:20. > :02:24.stand-up comedian and I am in -- interested in people 's opinions.
:02:24. > :02:31.am Sarah Khan, I am a television presenter who also runs their own
:02:31. > :02:36.business, and I am here to share your opinions.
:02:36. > :02:40.Let's get going. As we went to act on our last show, the shocking news
:02:40. > :02:44.of the death of Drummer Lee Rigby was just breaking. There has been a
:02:44. > :02:49.huge nationwide response to the killing since then, including a
:02:49. > :02:54.fivefold rise in alleged anti-Muslim hate crimes. The English Defence
:02:54. > :02:59.League, the EDL, held its first and biggest protest march just down the
:02:59. > :03:04.road from here. What has the response been like on social media?
:03:04. > :03:08.Debate sparked by the EDL marchers was the biggest ever on our Facebook
:03:08. > :03:13.and Twitter pages, and the room or -- memorial page RIP Woolwich
:03:13. > :03:23.Soldier has attracted more than 1.5 million hits. I went to Woolwich to
:03:23. > :03:34.
:03:34. > :03:39.There are hundreds of bouquets of flowers, messages, flags. RIP Lee,
:03:39. > :03:45.such a waste of a life. Our thoughts are with your son and family. There
:03:45. > :03:48.are football shirts as well. With love from Charlton. Just the sheer
:03:48. > :03:55.volume of tributes show how much this has affected people in the
:03:55. > :04:01.local community. How did you feel? Shocked. I would have thought any
:04:01. > :04:08.place but Woolwich. I couldn't believe it actually happened, to see
:04:08. > :04:12.it in front of your eyes. I have showed my respect is on Facebook.
:04:12. > :04:19.you think that people 's views have been affected because of Facebook
:04:19. > :04:26.and Twitter? I think that people 's comments can influence others.
:04:26. > :04:30.is the atmosphere like? If you walked down here, it was completely
:04:30. > :04:34.empty. It is like tumbleweed. Different races used to come
:04:34. > :04:38.together, now it seems like everybody is minding their own
:04:38. > :04:42.business. We are not going to talk about the
:04:42. > :04:47.actual killing of Lee Rigby or those arrested because of legal
:04:47. > :04:55.proceedings, we will focus on the wider issues of racism and Islam
:04:55. > :05:00.phobia in this country. Nicola has a question. Is Britain becoming more
:05:00. > :05:04.racist? Is Britain becoming more racist? This debate will be quick,
:05:04. > :05:10.we want to keep this moving, we will put 30 seconds on the clock, give us
:05:10. > :05:14.a taste of what you think. I think the question is an
:05:14. > :05:19.oversimplification of a problem. We have to deal with the reasons why
:05:19. > :05:24.racism exist, there are political and economic religious derived from
:05:24. > :05:28.being the correct race. We have to put things in that correct history
:05:28. > :05:33.and, to this very day, if you are nonwhite in this country you are
:05:33. > :05:37.more likely to be arrested, to die suspiciously in police custody, for
:05:37. > :05:44.your children to be expelled from school, even allowing for
:05:44. > :05:51.socio-economic factors. When we deal with racism we do not focus on it
:05:51. > :05:56.being part of the political culture. I don't think it is actually rising
:05:56. > :05:59.as fast as people think. My grandmother was Irish, my
:05:59. > :06:05.grandfather was black. They came to be mated kingdom and we had signs
:06:05. > :06:09.that said, no Blacks, no Irish, no dogs. That circumstance does not
:06:09. > :06:17.occur today in the United Kingdom. When I was a young boy, I suffered a
:06:17. > :06:20.form of racism. I joke that I am more like Michael Jackson and I am
:06:20. > :06:26.fading, but when I look at my wonderful seven-week-old daughter, I
:06:26. > :06:30.can see her lovely colour. But we are accepted, we are accepting
:06:30. > :06:34.people of different races, colours and creeds in this country. But what
:06:34. > :06:38.we are seeing over the past few weeks is a division which is caused
:06:38. > :06:44.by many of the reasons you have identified, the socio-economic Rob
:06:44. > :06:50.is that many groups in society, be they white or Asian, black or
:06:50. > :06:53.otherwise. Unless we address those, we will not be able to deal with the
:06:53. > :06:58.underlying reason that people are drawn to parties and groups that
:06:58. > :07:05.think racism is the answer. A couple of quick responses from the
:07:05. > :07:10.audience? My name is Daniel Johnson, I am from a diversity centre in
:07:10. > :07:16.Newcastle. I am a Muslim and I am horrified to see a Islamophobia, as
:07:16. > :07:20.well as other forms of racism, rising in recent years. One reason
:07:20. > :07:24.is foolish people like Anjem Choudary and his cronies, and
:07:24. > :07:29.another is people like Tommy Robinson and his cronies. Do the
:07:29. > :07:34.panel think it would be a good idea to take Tommy Robinson and Anjem
:07:34. > :07:40.Choudary and put them on an island and bonnet with anthrax? That is
:07:40. > :07:45.quite strongly put, but I get the idea. Do we need to clamp down on
:07:45. > :07:53.people believe to be extremists? This lady in the front row.
:07:53. > :07:58.opinion is that we are not getting more racist, after studying Of Mice
:07:58. > :08:05.And Men, in the 1930s, black people were put separately, but that would
:08:05. > :08:07.not be acceptable now. But we are not honest about the reasons of
:08:07. > :08:11.changing. In the United States of America,
:08:11. > :08:17.black people had to shed their blood in the streets to be recognised
:08:17. > :08:20.legally as humans. People did not have a grand awakening, it was real
:08:20. > :08:28.political campaigning. We have to deal with the fact that the
:08:28. > :08:32.mythology of innate white superiority -- superiority is a key
:08:32. > :08:39.part of Britain, America and other countries' political culture. I am
:08:39. > :08:45.not saying about to be horrible, it is a fact. Tina, what are people
:08:45. > :08:55.saying? Lots of messages coming in about Woolwich, lots of people
:08:55. > :09:09.
:09:09. > :09:19.talked about how social media in the hands of the social media
:09:19. > :09:24.
:09:24. > :09:28.exist, it only takes certain instances to bring them out.
:09:28. > :09:32.At the moment, because of the current economic climate, lots of
:09:32. > :09:35.people are suffering and really hurting from the cuts. Lots of
:09:35. > :09:41.people are looking for somebody to blame. Big things like capitalism or
:09:41. > :09:47.the banks, very vague things. It is much easier to blame the person down
:09:47. > :09:51.the road who wears different clothes than you or eats different food. I
:09:51. > :09:55.think lots of parties at the moment are exploiting the anger and
:09:55. > :09:58.frustration that lots of working-class people have, and I
:09:58. > :10:03.think they are exacerbating the problem. Working-class, vulnerable
:10:03. > :10:07.people are being pitted against each other and looking for somebody even
:10:07. > :10:08.lower down and more vulnerable than men to blame for things happening in
:10:08. > :10:18.our life. APPLAUSE
:10:18. > :10:19.
:10:19. > :10:23.Whatever your experiences told you, Saira? My parents came to this
:10:23. > :10:27.country in 1965, I was brought up in the 70s, they were the first mass
:10:27. > :10:32.immigration to this country. I grew up with people taking the mickey out
:10:32. > :10:37.of black people, Irish people, people like myself on television
:10:37. > :10:43.programmes broadcast on the BBC, Mind Your Language, Love Your
:10:43. > :10:46.Neighbour. We are 30 years in advance of Europe in terms of race
:10:46. > :10:52.relations in this country. I think the obvious racist things that we
:10:52. > :10:56.saw in the 70s are gone, but what is more dangerous is we are now looking
:10:56. > :11:00.at subtle racism. We are looking at institutionalise racism, in this
:11:00. > :11:08.country some people are scared to put down, my name is Muhammad
:11:08. > :11:12.Khan-macro, in case they are discriminated against. We have seen
:11:12. > :11:16.racist economic policies like housing and education. It is not so
:11:16. > :11:23.obvious but it is very subtle. I will say one thing, it is very
:11:23. > :11:27.obvious. Racism is spread because of ignorance. I believe, in this
:11:27. > :11:32.country, multiculturalism was great for the 60s, 70s and 80s, but we
:11:32. > :11:39.have to move away from cultures in this country being allowed to just
:11:39. > :11:42.get on with it and say we do our own thing. We need to talk about
:11:42. > :11:46.integration. I was brought up on a completely white council estate. I
:11:46. > :11:50.am the person I am because of my upbringing on that estate. We did
:11:50. > :11:55.not suffer a lot of abuse and racism because we invited people to our
:11:55. > :12:05.house. They used to say, why does your mum pray five times a day? I
:12:05. > :12:19.
:12:19. > :12:21.told them. I went to their house and said, your mate is pregnant at 16,
:12:21. > :12:24.what do you think? You need these discussions. It works on both sides.
:12:24. > :12:27.It is not white against black, black against white or whatever, but there
:12:27. > :12:30.is a lot of ignorance. One example, I have got mates who go to the same
:12:30. > :12:33.curry house for the last ten years, a Bangladeshi curry house in London.
:12:33. > :12:35.I said to my mate, do you know how to say hello in Bengali? You have
:12:35. > :12:38.been enjoying the food, we live in multicultural Britain and you don't
:12:38. > :12:41.know how to say hello? Once he knew how to say hello, he was getting
:12:41. > :12:44.free pop the food, we live in multicultural Britain and you don't
:12:44. > :12:47.know how to say hello? Once he knew how to say hello, he was getting
:12:47. > :12:51.free popper dons every week. It just shows, it just takes that one little
:12:51. > :12:56.bit of showing that you care and have researched or done homework.
:12:56. > :13:02.And free food is a great incentive! We have heard from the panel, so
:13:02. > :13:12.Tina, you know what to do? Instant judgment, this is what
:13:12. > :13:24.
:13:24. > :13:28.people at home think of what you organising protests around the
:13:28. > :13:34.country. The first was here in the north-east, and police estimated
:13:34. > :13:39.that around 1500 took part. Protest will -- protesters were heard
:13:39. > :13:43.shouting, who has streets, our streets? Tommy Robinson, the leader
:13:43. > :13:50.of the EDL, your supporters were heard shouting racist abuse, how do
:13:50. > :13:55.you explain that? What racist abuse? I can't say it at this time on
:13:55. > :14:01.television. There is no racial tension in the town that I come
:14:01. > :14:06.from. When David Cameron says that multiculturalism has failed,
:14:06. > :14:11.seekers, Hinduism, they have not failed, is lamb has failed. If I am
:14:11. > :14:17.against Scientology, will you call me a racist? I oppose the Islamic
:14:17. > :14:25.ideology, that does not make me racist. We have read the quotes in
:14:25. > :14:30.the press. You just said 1500 people, there were 7000. More people
:14:30. > :14:33.chanting? More people in the demonstration. When you talk about
:14:33. > :14:39.Islamophobia, of course there is Islamophobia, because our police
:14:39. > :14:42.force were too scared to tackle grooming and rape in our youth
:14:42. > :14:47.because of fear of being called racist. That is Islamophobia. A
:14:47. > :14:52.phobia is an irrational fear. It is natural to fear female genital new
:14:52. > :14:57.to Laois and of 2000 Muslim British girls every year, terrorism, those
:14:57. > :15:00.six Muslims sentenced to 20 years each because of plans to blow up the
:15:00. > :15:05.English Defence League league due to the blasphemy law within the Koran.
:15:05. > :15:11.There is a link to these things, the same with the Muslim grooming. You
:15:11. > :15:21.have to look for the issue, they are all Muslim. I get confused when you
:15:21. > :15:25.say is lamb, Islamist and Muslim, they are different things. I am from
:15:25. > :15:30.Luton town, I know so many Muslims. If you take these people 's careers
:15:30. > :15:35.away, they would not be there. I am a volunteer. What has happened, from
:15:35. > :15:43.speaking up the way I have done, it has destroyed my life, my wife's
:15:44. > :15:52.life, I have contents A* constant death threats, I have to where a
:15:52. > :15:57.bullet-proof vest. Well, stop being a racist and a bigot! Please explain
:15:57. > :16:05.one thing I have ever said... born in your country, I don't spout
:16:05. > :16:11.rubbish like you do. Please explain, if you talk against Islam, please
:16:11. > :16:20.explain what I said that was racist? Please explain. I'll tell you what
:16:20. > :16:25.is racist... Please explain. have taken a community with hundreds
:16:25. > :16:32.of thousands of members, you have made a tiny minority, you have said
:16:32. > :16:42.they are all like that. That's the slightly racist party. You are
:16:42. > :16:49.
:16:50. > :16:55.against all Muslims. Yes, you are. to call us racists or extremist...
:16:55. > :16:59.What have I said that was racist? heard you on Radio 4 saying that you
:16:59. > :17:07.are a peaceful movement and not violent. Have you looked at your
:17:07. > :17:11.own... You still haven't explained what I said that was racist.
:17:11. > :17:18.have been convicted of thuggery and you are a football hooligan. Please
:17:18. > :17:21.explain what you have said that is racist. You have just cited loads of
:17:21. > :17:26.things relating to Islam and talking about Islamist 's, but what about
:17:26. > :17:30.all of the Muslim people killed by white people? There is not a problem
:17:30. > :17:36.in this country against Islam. are you focusing on certain
:17:36. > :17:46.incidents? EU rather than listening to the point, you just want to shout
:17:46. > :17:51.
:17:52. > :17:56.racist. Because you are. Let her speak. What have I said that is
:17:56. > :18:01.racist? You are a racist bigot. You do not represent the views of other
:18:01. > :18:06.people in this country at all. Nothing. You have got no substance
:18:07. > :18:12.to your argument. You are not even backing it up. What happened to Lee
:18:12. > :18:21.Rigby? What happened with the Muslim grooming gangs? Let some body else
:18:21. > :18:25.speak for a moment. Of course, there are no paedophiles that are white.
:18:25. > :18:33.You spoke, let me speak. This is the issue. As much as I agree with what
:18:33. > :18:38.is being said about this man and his organisation, we focus on the fringe
:18:38. > :18:41.gets, rather than dealing with the central issue in the political
:18:41. > :18:51.system. I can't count how many times I have read the Daily Mail and other
:18:51. > :18:54.papers, Pakistani man does... When Jimmy Savile is convicted, is his
:18:54. > :19:00.religious beliefs or ethnicity put forward as the reason for him
:19:00. > :19:10.committing these offences? They fan the flames of bigotry and they act
:19:10. > :19:14.shocked. I want you to express what I have said that is racist. Baghdad
:19:14. > :19:18.was the intellectual centre of science. Nobody blames Islam for
:19:18. > :19:23.that. Negative people that happen to be Muslim, it is your religion. If
:19:23. > :19:29.you pioneer mathematics, if you introduce copies, lemons, algebra,
:19:29. > :19:35.if that is not because you are Muslim. You organised the
:19:35. > :19:40.counterprotest? We I have heard of double vision, I've never heard of
:19:40. > :19:50.triple vision. There were not 7000 EDL folks in Newcastle. You have had
:19:50. > :19:51.
:19:51. > :19:59.your say. You had 1500. You have had your say. We had a peaceful
:20:00. > :20:04.protest, unlike you EDL drunks. You have said your bit. You don't like
:20:04. > :20:09.it when people do it to you. You had to have people shipped in from other
:20:09. > :20:15.places in the country, to Newcastle, to have a party. We had
:20:15. > :20:22.local people, celebrating diversity. That is what we thrive on.
:20:22. > :20:31.celebrate diversity. You are the biggest fascist. You are. You are
:20:31. > :20:40.Islamophobic. You hate Muslims. don't come at all. Your EDL
:20:40. > :20:45.organisation is just a platform for your ego. Do you think I enjoy being
:20:45. > :20:50.the leader of the English Defence League? You wrote a letter to the
:20:51. > :20:58.City Council against me saying I have extremist links. You said that.
:20:58. > :21:03.I didn't. I have got the letter.I didn't write a letter. Tommy, calm.
:21:03. > :21:13.On top of that, your EDL folks have threatened me, my life and my
:21:13. > :21:14.
:21:14. > :21:19.family. On Twitter, Facebook, have you condemned them? This gentleman.
:21:19. > :21:22.Regardless of Mr Robinson's views, we are delighted he took the
:21:22. > :21:32.opportunity to come here and show how unrepresentative and out of
:21:32. > :21:36.
:21:36. > :21:42.for the audience here, but working class people back home... We are
:21:42. > :21:52.working class! When you set their... Then why don't you stand
:21:52. > :21:57.and become a little party? People that oppose Islamist agenda, they
:21:57. > :22:03.vote for Labour, Conservatives, a variety of people. Islam is not
:22:03. > :22:10.integrating, sects of Islam are spreading like wildfire. What are
:22:11. > :22:16.you doing to combat them? condemned... Condemned is not good
:22:16. > :22:20.enough for me. We have condemned and we have been actively working in
:22:20. > :22:25.Newcastle and the north-east. We are actively working with different
:22:25. > :22:29.communities. What have you done to work with different communities?
:22:29. > :22:38.work with the seat community, the Jewish community. If it is the
:22:38. > :22:41.fascist, the right-wing, muscle groups, we condemn them all. This
:22:41. > :22:44.lady, here. If you look at the country as a whole, we talk about
:22:44. > :22:48.whether the country is getting more racist, I don't think it is. But if
:22:48. > :22:51.you cut the cases where people are playing a role in the community,
:22:52. > :22:56.getting involved in society, the vast majority of people do not care
:22:56. > :23:02.what race people are. If people are integrating, working together, then
:23:02. > :23:12.they cooperate. It is having protests, in either direction, is
:23:12. > :23:15.
:23:15. > :23:18.that helping anyone to reach that the broader issue. Where is
:23:18. > :23:23.Isabella? I think people are becoming racist because of their own
:23:23. > :23:26.social and economic problems. They are just pointing the finger, as you
:23:26. > :23:36.were saying earlier, choosing something to blame. I am half
:23:36. > :23:38.
:23:38. > :23:43.Polish, and... Sorry? I think it's offensive when people go on about
:23:43. > :23:49.Eastern Europe in is taking jobs. You might not think that is racism,
:23:49. > :23:52.because you might not be able to tell I am Polish, but immigration
:23:52. > :23:57.has had a major impact. I think that we need to look at the broader
:23:57. > :24:04.issues as to why people are becoming racist. How do we tackle those
:24:04. > :24:06.issues? Personally, I think that racism is becoming more of a matter
:24:06. > :24:10.of upbringing. Just like the gentleman over there, if everybody
:24:10. > :24:14.was going to have the same frame of mind as you, the whole country was
:24:14. > :24:18.going to be racist, people bring up their children, saying that when
:24:18. > :24:21.people move into this country from different countries, they steal our
:24:21. > :24:26.jobs, they steal our money, they don't because they are trying to
:24:26. > :24:34.make the country more diverse. Can I speak? I'm not against
:24:34. > :24:41.immigration... Everybody, nobody has told me why I am extremist and
:24:41. > :24:47.racist. Anyone with a different opinion... It is a matter of
:24:47. > :24:51.upbringing. I had a perfect upbringing, I had to businesses,
:24:51. > :24:56.prior to Danish defence league. It's not to do with poverty lines, it is
:24:56. > :25:03.serious issues. As soon as you talk about it, everybody says you are
:25:03. > :25:11.racist. Your agenda today, my question is, can we say what the
:25:11. > :25:17.problem is, about when people see a woman in a scarf, it is about an
:25:17. > :25:25.economic issue? You had your agenda, I don't know if you have finished it
:25:25. > :25:35.yet, I have been here for two years, nobly sits near me because I'm
:25:35. > :25:37.
:25:37. > :25:40.wearing a scarf. You explain to me, what you can answer for them?
:25:40. > :25:47.can't just keep calling you racist. You can't keep saying racist without
:25:47. > :25:51.giving me an explanation. At your rally in Newcastle, you stood next
:25:51. > :26:01.to the organiser while he was chanting, send those... I can't say
:26:01. > :26:02.
:26:02. > :26:09.it, home. Complete lie, again. It's an edited version. Who said it?
:26:09. > :26:19.Every time somebody has their arm in the air, you say it is a Nazi
:26:19. > :26:22.
:26:23. > :26:27.salute. You're generalising a whole race of people. Only certain sects.
:26:27. > :26:31.When we deal with racism, rather than dealing with the structural
:26:31. > :26:38.reality, talking about people being racist because they are not happy
:26:38. > :26:42.with their life, like only working class people are racist. Racism was
:26:42. > :26:46.not started by the working class, it was from the top down, it was
:26:46. > :26:50.lamented as part of policy. When there were slave catchers in the
:26:50. > :26:54.streets, people had more allies in working-class areas of London, than
:26:54. > :26:59.they did from the upper-class people trying to send them back to the
:26:59. > :27:02.Caribbean. The bigger problems are structural racism. It is all of the
:27:02. > :27:09.frustrations, breeding this kind of nonsense, that will not be excavated
:27:09. > :27:14.so much. We focus on problems like this. A gentleman called Christopher
:27:14. > :27:17.Alder, a white British soldier, he died in police custody. You can see
:27:17. > :27:27.him on the floor, with police officers around him, making monkey
:27:27. > :27:32.
:27:32. > :27:35.noises over his dead body, you have the issue? We have to tackle the
:27:35. > :27:41.issue with education in school and university to encourage people to
:27:41. > :27:45.amalgamate. We have to deal with some of the issues that Mr Robinson
:27:45. > :27:48.raised. It is clear that The Met police, they have apologised, they
:27:48. > :27:51.have not dealt with issues of grooming and things like that
:27:51. > :27:55.because there was a fear. Thankfully that is now being dealt with.
:27:55. > :27:58.Organisations such as your own half to continue the work that you are
:27:58. > :28:03.doing to tackle those that are also racist within the Islamic community
:28:03. > :28:07.against others. You are tackling that, extremism, and thankfully we
:28:07. > :28:11.are doing that. Altogether, we have to look at the extremism on both
:28:11. > :28:14.sides and bring us together. We are all people. We are not mixed race,
:28:15. > :28:22.we are not a white race, we are part of the human race. That is the most
:28:22. > :28:29.important thing we should be concerned about. Are people getting
:28:29. > :28:31.het up online? A huge reaction online. Jamie says that Britain is
:28:32. > :28:41.not becoming more racist. The problem is increased airtime given
:28:42. > :28:43.
:28:43. > :28:47.to this view. That is picking up on your point, Akala. More racists are
:28:47. > :28:51.feeling justified because of recent events. What people think is racist
:28:51. > :28:57.and what it is is wide apart. Islam is not a religion, it's a race, I
:28:57. > :29:07.don't know if I got that the wrong way round. The main problem is that
:29:07. > :29:21.
:29:21. > :29:25.if the economy is worse it causes scrutiny. Cigarette manufacturers
:29:25. > :29:29.have been fighting against the threat of plain packaging, and the
:29:29. > :29:35.ideas recently drawn up by the government. UKIP has announced plans
:29:35. > :29:38.to allow smoking in if it was elected. And at lunchtime today it
:29:38. > :29:43.was announced that electronic cigarettes will be classed as
:29:43. > :29:47.medicine, so people will need a prescription to get them. We have a
:29:47. > :29:54.question from Sarah. Is the freedom of people to smoke more important
:29:54. > :29:57.than the health of those who choose not to? Steven?
:29:57. > :30:03.I think there is an important question about liberty and the
:30:03. > :30:09.freedom of ourselves to be able to do for our own body and our own
:30:09. > :30:13.being and make those choices ourselves. There are very clear
:30:13. > :30:17.questions in UKIP's policies on health at pub landlords should be
:30:17. > :30:20.able to choose themselves if they allow smoking. You could have a Pope
:30:20. > :30:25.that is totally smoking, you could have one that would like a mixture
:30:25. > :30:28.or you could have one which would not want it whatsoever. It will be
:30:28. > :30:35.driven by the economics of those pubs and the decisions of those
:30:35. > :30:40.people. It is a liberty issue. I think the government has a very
:30:40. > :30:43.important role to play here. If it wasn't for public announcements and
:30:43. > :30:48.information about the dangers of smoking, the dangers of smoking if
:30:48. > :30:53.you are pregnant, the diseases relating to smoking, we would not
:30:53. > :30:57.know about it. Because, I can tell you, the cigarette companies would
:30:57. > :31:02.hide that information from us. I think this whole thing about so many
:31:02. > :31:05.pubs have closed because of the smoking ban, it is nonsense. They
:31:05. > :31:13.closed because they weren't commercially viable, that is pretty
:31:13. > :31:19.obvious. I actually believe that the government has got a real reason to
:31:19. > :31:27.inform people about smoking. I personally have no members of my
:31:27. > :31:31.family who smoke and who have had a reason diseases as a result of
:31:31. > :31:35.smoking, like heart bypasses and cancer. For me, I think the
:31:35. > :31:39.government has a very important role to play in educating about the
:31:39. > :31:45.dangers of smoking, and I believe paid -- plain packaging, which is
:31:46. > :31:51.something the government has talked about, should be lamented. Are their
:31:51. > :31:57.differing views on social media? Free Speech and BBC are you one, we
:31:57. > :32:03.have been debating e-cigarettes. Regulating the sale of e-cigarettes
:32:03. > :32:06.and turning them into a medicinal product is ridiculous, it is proper
:32:06. > :32:10.Job health and common-sense. Simon says, the government needs to
:32:10. > :32:17.tax these, because of all the money they are losing from all of the
:32:17. > :32:21.people who have stopped smoking. A vicious circle. Grainne, is the
:32:21. > :32:24.freedom of people to smoke, to make the choice to smoke, more important
:32:24. > :32:28.than the health of those who choose not to?
:32:28. > :32:35.I feel like it is a spurious argument. What do you define as
:32:36. > :32:40.freedom? The cigarette industry is a �1 billion industry. It really
:32:40. > :32:48.targets young people. Two thirds of people started smoking before they
:32:48. > :32:55.are 18. 50% of people who start smoking will die as a result of
:32:55. > :33:01.smoking. I think there should be something to defend people. It costs
:33:01. > :33:11.the NHS millions every year. I think whatever we can to protect people
:33:11. > :33:15.from a very nasty destructive habit is good. Akala, would you agree?
:33:15. > :33:19.am a non-smoker, I am completely biased and over the moon that people
:33:19. > :33:23.do not smoke in public spaces any more, I was sick of breathing in
:33:23. > :33:28.tar, especially when I was with young children. I don't have any
:33:28. > :33:32.desire to see the smoking ban lifted in any way whatsoever.
:33:32. > :33:40.There is a gentleman here who has smoked more since the smoking ban.
:33:40. > :33:44.Why? I think the ban made it more of the social activity outside of bars.
:33:44. > :33:49.I think it is questionable the impact that it has had on smoking
:33:49. > :33:54.rates, for me, as they say, I didn't smoke at all before the ban. The
:33:54. > :33:59.impact on me was that I subsequently started smoking quite frequently,
:33:59. > :34:03.not just socially, but in my day to day life. That is my choice, but the
:34:03. > :34:07.impact of the ban in bars is questionable. It is all very well to
:34:07. > :34:14.protect non-smokers by making it illegal in public places, but I
:34:14. > :34:17.think we have to look at the impact it has on the way that people smoke.
:34:17. > :34:22.It is also protecting children. If you are a parent and you are smoking
:34:22. > :34:28.in the house and public places, you are causing home -- harm to children
:34:28. > :34:31.and that has to be taken seriously. But we're not suggesting that the
:34:31. > :34:37.government should start in loading itself and putting itself in people
:34:37. > :34:41.'s homes? It is important for the government to advise people on the
:34:41. > :34:47.dangers. I don't disagree with the education, the fact that we have to
:34:47. > :34:52.educate people on the harm from smoking. I have never smoked, I do
:34:52. > :34:56.not personally like it. I worked in jobs where I had to go home and wash
:34:56. > :35:02.because of smokers. But I do not want to stop people from having the
:35:02. > :35:08.opportunity for smoking, albeit that I might think it is a bad choice.
:35:08. > :35:15.The government should keep its hands out of our pockets. Who smokes?
:35:15. > :35:23.Former smokers? A few ex-smokers. Smokers, how have you felt?
:35:23. > :35:27.Marginalised? Personally, I'm fed up of these new advert somethings that
:35:27. > :35:32.are giving smokers a bad name, for example the one when the guy is
:35:32. > :35:37.smoking in the car. Smoking is legal, we have a right to be able to
:35:37. > :35:43.smoke. Are the government going to do the same in terms of alcohol?
:35:43. > :35:45.Alcohol costs the NHS billions every year, fast-food, obesity, will the
:35:45. > :35:51.government imposed sanctions on those as they currently do with
:35:51. > :36:01.smoking? That people generally don't spit alcohol in other people 's
:36:01. > :36:01.
:36:01. > :36:05.faces. Wii but if I smoke in my own home or car... That is reasonable. I
:36:05. > :36:11.am not disputing that there is an issue with alcoholism. When I smoke
:36:11. > :36:15.a cigarette, I see diseased lungs on the back of the packet. I don't go
:36:15. > :36:22.to the supermarket, pick up a can of lager and see a diseased liver.
:36:23. > :36:26.is a valid point. Anyone else? What you have to remember is the
:36:26. > :36:31.advert showing the guy smoking in the car as well, there is a child in
:36:31. > :36:34.the car. My dad smokes, my mum has quit but she still smokes
:36:34. > :36:38.occasionally. There is nothing I hate more than being in a car and
:36:38. > :36:41.not being able to escape the cigarette smoke. It is fine if you
:36:41. > :36:51.are by yourself, but should you be inflicting about another people? I
:36:51. > :36:58.think that is the issue. Wipe the children in danger? If
:36:58. > :37:01.children are run smoking, they will turn to smoking. I wouldn't, I don't
:37:01. > :37:06.think any sensible parent would. you are having smoking in pubs,
:37:06. > :37:11.there will be children in there. Parents do not have to take them in
:37:11. > :37:15.there. Bee people take them for pub lunches, it is not to watch them
:37:15. > :37:22.drink. If you are eating your dinner and the person next to you is
:37:22. > :37:25.smoking... Would you introduce smoking on aeroplanes? Absolutely
:37:25. > :37:33.not. There are different circumstances, on an aeroplane you
:37:33. > :37:40.have no choice. What about the person working in the bar, what
:37:40. > :37:45.choice do they have? If the landlords have made it explicitly
:37:45. > :37:49.clear that this is a smoking pub, completely, or on this site, then I
:37:50. > :37:57.would make a clear, rational choice not to go in there with my
:37:57. > :38:02.children. What if you work in the bar? What is your choice? You could
:38:02. > :38:05.choose not to work. So you are discriminating against people?
:38:06. > :38:10.can work in a different pub which does not have smoking. You are
:38:10. > :38:14.complaining about an employment, people will lose their jobs because
:38:14. > :38:19.he wants to smoke? Reign there are great advantages, it simply wants to
:38:19. > :38:28.work in a smoking pub than they might get paid higher for doing so.
:38:28. > :38:33.Reign people do so for going into oil rigs. It is about allowing
:38:33. > :38:39.people to make choices. These cigarette companies around the world
:38:39. > :38:44.take advantage of people. They take advantage through packaging,
:38:44. > :38:47.colours, adverts, marketing. People are seduced by it. The government
:38:47. > :38:57.need to take a stance. The money the government gets in this country goes
:38:57. > :39:02.against fighting diseases related to smoking. This is a serious problem.
:39:02. > :39:05.It is about rights and stuff, but most sensible people will say, yes,
:39:05. > :39:09.what the government is doing is correct and we need to censor and
:39:09. > :39:16.control it and protect people, in form and about the dangers of
:39:17. > :39:20.smoking. Let's get a...There is a big thing about banning it in pubs,
:39:20. > :39:27.but everybody in this country has accepted it. Comments from the
:39:27. > :39:31.audience. It is UKIP policy now, is it, to say
:39:31. > :39:37.that people who do not smoke are banned from pubs by putting signs up
:39:37. > :39:40.saying it is a smoking pub and you could die by going in there?
:39:40. > :39:44.simply said that the Pope could put up a sign saying that there is
:39:44. > :39:49.smoking in there, then we have a choice of whether we want to go in.
:39:50. > :39:54.I still might into it, because my friends are in there. It is about
:39:54. > :39:59.personal freedom and choice. There is no way that we will force you to
:39:59. > :40:04.go into a smoking pub if you do not want to, or vice versa. The current
:40:04. > :40:08.system is working. I don't think you can talk about
:40:08. > :40:12.personal freedom if you are segregating into non-smoking and
:40:12. > :40:18.smoking, all of my friends smoke, so if they want to go to a smoking pub
:40:18. > :40:21.I would have to sit outside because I can't hack smoking, I preferred to
:40:21. > :40:25.breathe oxygen, as opposed to cigarette smoke. I would have to
:40:25. > :40:31.stand outside while they went in and had a good time and, to be quite
:40:31. > :40:34.honest, I'd like to look like I had friends, for starters! Why choosing
:40:35. > :40:39.smoking pubs and the non-smoking pubs, if that was my local pub, I
:40:39. > :40:43.would have nowhere to go because I local pub would decide to be a
:40:43. > :40:46.smoking pub. I don't feel that I should have to be limited because of
:40:46. > :40:52.somebody else pulls-macro life choice which is damaging to
:40:52. > :40:55.everybody else around them. What are people saying online?
:40:55. > :41:01.Surely smoking is a choice and you should be free to choose where you
:41:01. > :41:05.smoke, but you should be educated on Ellen says continuing to regulate
:41:05. > :41:10.the smoking industry is creating a black market like we have seen with
:41:10. > :41:20.drugs. Plain packaging won't make a
:41:20. > :41:23.
:41:23. > :41:33.difference to people wanting to the debate on racism, Akala is still
:41:33. > :41:53.
:41:54. > :41:57.followed by the panellist's first Speech, tweet the Power Bar.
:41:57. > :42:02.Next up, work experience time again, students across the entry looking
:42:02. > :42:05.for internships. What is the best way to get a job Dutch work
:42:05. > :42:12.experience, and as -- apprenticeship, set up your own
:42:12. > :42:17.business, or work for your dad, and James Caan's daughter. Lots of
:42:18. > :42:23.employers will not comply people without work experience. These
:42:23. > :42:28.people have taken different routes. I believe work experience and
:42:28. > :42:32.volunteering give you the advantage that someone else might not have. I
:42:32. > :42:36.am currently volunteering at the Stadium of Light. I have been for
:42:36. > :42:41.about ten to 12 months. I help people similar to my age find
:42:41. > :42:45.qualifications which they did not pick up on in school.
:42:45. > :42:51.When I graduated, I applied for PR jobs. The main problem was that most
:42:52. > :42:55.of them want a minimum of one or two years experience. If people have
:42:55. > :42:58.paid more than �9,000 for a degree, then they are told they need work
:42:58. > :43:03.experience, I don't think those stupid people could work for free
:43:03. > :43:07.for a year. I am on jobseeker's allowance, it is
:43:07. > :43:11.manageable and I have no doubt. I am putting the effort in while am
:43:11. > :43:16.young. I thought there was more of a future
:43:16. > :43:21.in my own business, so I launched a streetwear brand. We started off
:43:21. > :43:28.with caps, we now have T-shirts, jumpers, best, we are going into
:43:28. > :43:32.foodies and jackets. It has given me the opportunity to work for myself
:43:32. > :43:38.and I think it stands me in a better position than if I had done work
:43:38. > :43:45.experience. I don't think voluntary work
:43:45. > :43:51.exploits young people, it is your own choice. In the future, I would
:43:51. > :43:55.even like to be a teaching assistant or in the sports industry. I would
:43:55. > :43:59.rather be gaining skills and in the job centre.
:43:59. > :44:09.Do you think it is right for young people to get work experience when
:44:09. > :44:10.
:44:10. > :44:14.they might not get a job at the end of it? What do you reckon? I believe
:44:14. > :44:17.work experience is crucial in getting your first job. I graduated
:44:17. > :44:22.in a recession, I moved away from home to go where the jobs were, I
:44:22. > :44:24.worked in a planning department for three months and then I got a job. I
:44:24. > :44:30.fundamentally believe that work experience is a good way to get your
:44:30. > :44:34.first job. You had ten seconds left, the first answer that has gone
:44:34. > :44:36.underestimation mark I think it is brilliant as long as it is open to
:44:36. > :44:46.everybody that is interested in the field and that people are paid
:44:46. > :44:57.
:44:57. > :45:04.properly, so that people can afford in a project, I thought, this is
:45:04. > :45:07.great. I went with them and they said, yes, you will get extra
:45:08. > :45:11.qualifications, right into the field. But I was just stuck in the
:45:11. > :45:15.office doing paperwork, I wasn't given much opportunity and it was a
:45:15. > :45:18.summer wasted. Another experience, they gave me a lot of experience,
:45:18. > :45:25.they put me in the field and gave me qualifications and I really enjoyed
:45:25. > :45:29.it. Sometimes, two sided. You need that respect, and the company need
:45:29. > :45:33.to know how to deal with the students. And you have to put the
:45:33. > :45:39.effort in to get that experience. If those two are not in balance, it is
:45:39. > :45:44.not going to be good. Who else has had a positive experience? Quite a
:45:44. > :45:49.few of us run a radio station in Sunderland, and we would consider it
:45:49. > :45:55.to be a full-time job, even though we don't get paid. We would never be
:45:56. > :46:03.able to do it our own back. We get the opportunity to talk to Mo
:46:03. > :46:08.Farah, for example. In the media, which is hard to get into, we can go
:46:08. > :46:11.and say, look, we are on the Northeast's best radio station. But
:46:12. > :46:17.we've got those awards and we can prove that we have got those skills.
:46:17. > :46:23.And you have done that of your own back, which is impressive. I think
:46:23. > :46:27.that the pressure is on young people, I have done work experience
:46:27. > :46:32.for three and a half years that I have lived here. I'm slowly starting
:46:32. > :46:37.to get things, but the pressure is still huge, especially in the media.
:46:37. > :46:41.But across all platforms, I think that young people find it so hard to
:46:41. > :46:45.find themselves while doing what they love to do. There are an
:46:45. > :46:50.average of 45 applications per graduate vacancy. It is tough out
:46:50. > :46:56.there. Where is Adam? I haven't really got a bad word to say about
:46:56. > :47:01.work experience. I have had two spells myself. One was with the
:47:01. > :47:07.company I work with at the moment, a housing organisation based in the
:47:07. > :47:11.north-east. I'm currently an electrical apprentice. I work on
:47:12. > :47:19.site every day. I find, in work experience, you are treated with
:47:19. > :47:24.respect, like an employee. Really, I think it is about the company having
:47:24. > :47:30.a structure to the work experience programme. It's how you can develop
:47:30. > :47:40.as an employee after that. Who had a more negative experience? Anybody
:47:40. > :47:40.
:47:40. > :47:50.here? Yes? I went to a law firm and I was made to sit in an office and
:47:50. > :47:51.
:47:51. > :47:57.put folders in alphabetical order, from A two Z. I asked if I could be
:47:57. > :48:03.put into a more useful place. It's fair saying that you need work
:48:03. > :48:08.experience, but if you can't get it, what are you supposed to do there?
:48:08. > :48:11.It's about the quality of the work experience, isn't it? People are
:48:11. > :48:15.crying for work experience, not work experience where you are being
:48:15. > :48:19.treated like a so-called apprentice, putting the kettle on and making
:48:19. > :48:23.cups of tea, getting skills that are transferable. I think a big
:48:23. > :48:29.responsibility lies with employers. Employers can come forwards, provide
:48:29. > :48:33.work experience that helps people gain deployment in future. If you
:48:33. > :48:41.agree or disagree with anything being said, let us know through the
:48:41. > :48:45.social media channels. I am currently doing a work placement. I
:48:45. > :48:50.have gained so much out of the experience, it's an unbelievably
:48:50. > :48:53.positive experience. I've met fantastic people. I also know people
:48:53. > :48:58.that are in other roles, other positions, doing placements and
:48:58. > :49:03.stuff. They have had terrible experience. Their highlight of the
:49:03. > :49:07.day was putting the kettle on, and suing a couple of phone calls or
:49:07. > :49:11.bringing people through from the entrance hall into a meeting. I
:49:11. > :49:16.think it goes back to educating employers, and there are many
:49:16. > :49:20.benefits to the employers in involving young people in work
:49:20. > :49:25.experience. It is all about creating opportunities, but raising awareness
:49:25. > :49:29.of the benefits these can bring. you are in work experience, it is
:49:29. > :49:32.also about your own confidence. If you feel you are not gaining what
:49:32. > :49:37.you want from it, you have to have the confidence to go to your boss
:49:37. > :49:40.and say, look, I feel like I could do a little bit more. Young people,
:49:40. > :49:43.because you don't have that experience, you probably lacks
:49:44. > :49:48.confidence. Do be brave and confident and try to get the most
:49:48. > :49:54.that you can. To get work experience in today's climate is actually
:49:54. > :49:57.really difficult. It is not as easy as it seems. If you get it, make the
:49:57. > :50:02.most of it. I think confidence is a really big key in getting the most
:50:02. > :50:05.from what you want. Stephen? I think what we are seeing is that the
:50:05. > :50:08.experience of work experience is something that is very positive.
:50:08. > :50:12.When I started as a lawyer, that is what I was doing. The gentleman at
:50:12. > :50:20.the back, I want one of your caps, if you get an opportunity to give me
:50:20. > :50:24.one, I would like that. You are finding people are getting barred
:50:24. > :50:28.from getting work experience in two ways. Employers are saying that you
:50:28. > :50:32.need a degree just get work experience. Secondly, we are finding
:50:32. > :50:38.a closed shop. It's a dangerous thing to say on the BBC, but within
:50:38. > :50:40.the media, you'd have to be an Oxbridge candidate, it seems, in
:50:40. > :50:46.terms of senior things in the theatre, they tend to know each
:50:46. > :50:56.other. The same applies in law and banking. This is something that we
:50:56. > :50:59.
:50:59. > :51:04.must challenge. Open up the market by giving people to get to work
:51:04. > :51:13.experience. The opportunities, in Moss side, to be a barrister, that
:51:13. > :51:18.becomes less available. Dragons' Den's James Caan is the social mode
:51:18. > :51:21.validity back two. On his first day, he said parents shouldn't help their
:51:21. > :51:26.children find work. On the second day, it was revealed his daughters
:51:26. > :51:30.work for him. What do we think about that? Sometimes it appears that
:51:30. > :51:33.people get a job because of who they know. It's all very well talking
:51:33. > :51:36.about the benefits of work experience, but there are people
:51:36. > :51:39.that are barred from that if it is not paid. I think a system where
:51:39. > :51:43.people who can afford to borrow money from their parents or live at
:51:43. > :51:46.home, they are able to do with experience, whereas people that have
:51:46. > :51:50.had to move out or do not have the support of their parents, they have
:51:50. > :51:54.to work a full-time job, they are not able to do that. Especially when
:51:54. > :51:57.the Government is cutting down benefits. It's difficult to do work
:51:57. > :52:05.experience on benefits, especially with cuts to housing benefits for
:52:05. > :52:08.people under 25. It will make it difficult for people to seek that.
:52:08. > :52:11.Waypoint online, Nicole says that work experience is crucial in
:52:11. > :52:19.fostering elitism. Those with contacts or money to take unpaid
:52:19. > :52:23.placements get them and the jobs. So, what do we do about that?
:52:23. > :52:27.don't know if we have the intention to do anything about it, that is the
:52:27. > :52:30.problem. We have a society in which the senior positions in banking,
:52:30. > :52:34.Government, finance, they are preserved for a particular class. It
:52:34. > :52:39.has been that way for a long time. Attending that has ever been an
:52:39. > :52:42.intention in the history of people in power to give up their power is a
:52:42. > :52:45.bit historically naive. I think we can force change as much as
:52:45. > :52:53.possible, grab as many opportunities as possible. But it is an uphill
:52:53. > :52:58.struggle. I disagree with your point saying it is all the latest. What
:52:58. > :53:04.percentage of senior Government is Oxbridge, which percentage of the
:53:04. > :53:07.BBC is Oxbridge? 83%, thank you. Don't interrupt me, I haven't
:53:07. > :53:13.finished my point. Don't you think it is ironic to be in a monarchy and
:53:13. > :53:16.be surprised by it being passed down from father to son, mother to son?
:53:16. > :53:21.Whilst that goes on, we have to be positive about what this country
:53:21. > :53:31.offers. In many industries, we are a meritocracy. You will get a job if
:53:31. > :53:33.
:53:33. > :53:38.you can do the job. Reams and reams of scholarship to disagree. If you
:53:39. > :53:43.can do the job really well... have to ask you to discuss this
:53:43. > :53:48.later. We shouldn't be negative about getting a job. I am an
:53:48. > :53:51.immigrant and I managed to get a job. The audience at home and most
:53:51. > :53:59.people do think that work experience is a negative thing. Internships
:53:59. > :54:03.only seem to benefit employers. Scott says, work experience never
:54:03. > :54:08.truly represents the work environment unless you are planning
:54:08. > :54:12.to make posters and serve cups of tea. I wonder where he has worked.
:54:12. > :54:16.Why should graduates work for free? Short and sweet. Let's look at the
:54:17. > :54:26.Power Bar to see who has won the work experience debate. Overall
:54:27. > :54:30.
:54:30. > :54:36.tonight, the winner is, no surprise, Akala. We are counting down. Say
:54:36. > :54:39.whatever you like, when you are ready? One thing I would like to see
:54:39. > :54:47.students do is campaign for a world studies curriculum that gives us
:54:47. > :54:50.accurate information. The many cultures we have, the different
:54:50. > :54:53.classes, races and ages. I think accurate education about these
:54:53. > :55:03.groups of people, where they come from, what their traditions are,
:55:03. > :55:06.what they have contributed to culture, I think that would do more
:55:06. > :55:10.than any politicians can do. Thanks to the audience, the panel and you
:55:10. > :55:16.at home for sending in your comments. The debate continues
:55:16. > :55:26.online. Join us in Magaluf. Finally, Free Speech on the Beach! We will
:55:26. > :55:34.
:55:34. > :55:36.leave you with Akala and Find No black Caribbean
:55:36. > :55:39.# And half white Scottish whatever that means
:55:39. > :55:41.# See lately I feel confused with the boxes
:55:41. > :55:44.# Cause to me all they do is breed conflict
:55:44. > :55:48.# It's not that I've lost touch with the reality
:55:48. > :55:50.# Racism, sexism and nationality # Just to me it all seems like
:55:50. > :55:53.insanity # Why must I rob you of your
:55:53. > :55:57.humanity # To feel good about mine?
:55:57. > :56:00.# It's all about crime # Dehumanizing is how I justify it
:56:00. > :56:04.# So I must keep on lying about the history of Africa
:56:05. > :56:07.# So I can live with the massacres # And repeat my mantra of Muslim and
:56:07. > :56:10.terrorist # So I can sleep at night as bombs
:56:10. > :56:12.take flight # Eyes wide but I'm blind to the
:56:13. > :56:15.sight # Too busy chasing the perfect life
:56:15. > :56:17.# And the working class keep them uneducated
:56:17. > :56:20.# Truly educated men could never be racist
:56:20. > :56:23.# To educate is to draw out what is within
:56:23. > :56:26.# Are we not all not the same under the skin?
:56:26. > :56:29.# I got a heart like yours that pumps blood and oxygen
:56:30. > :56:32.# And insecurities are a whole lot of them I'm scared like you deep
:56:32. > :56:35.down # I really do care that world is not
:56:35. > :56:39.fair like you # But I don't even believe my own
:56:39. > :56:41.prayers like you # Chasing career going nowhere like
:56:41. > :56:43.# Lost in a fog of my own insecurities
:56:44. > :56:47.# I hold myself up as a image of purity
:56:48. > :56:51.# And I judge everybody else # By the color of their skin or the
:56:51. > :56:54.size of their wealth # But it's not good for my health
:56:54. > :56:56.# As the only one I ever really judge is myself
:56:56. > :56:59.# The oppressor must suffer like the oppressed
:56:59. > :57:01.# Though I pretend I'm in control of this mess
:57:01. > :57:04.# By inflating my ego, puffing my chest
:57:04. > :57:07.# I see my weakness, and need to show strength
:57:07. > :57:09.# Or what we think strong is because if we're honest?
:57:10. > :57:14.# True strength is the strength to be honest
:57:14. > :57:17.# And if I'm honest I am just tired # If I'm honest I am just tired
:57:17. > :57:21.# Tired of everyday filling up my car and knowing that