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:01:53. > :01:56.We will start with you Ruth. I'm the leader of the Scottish Conservative
:01:56. > :02:00.Party. I'm here because I think young people have a huge part to
:02:00. > :02:04.play in the debate in our country and politicians need to work harder
:02:04. > :02:12.to make sure they get involved. Jane? I'm a writer and a journalist.
:02:12. > :02:16.I want to see loads of shows! enough. Ranj? I am an NHS and TV
:02:16. > :02:22.doctor. I eenl here because I care about the issues that affect young
:02:22. > :02:25.people. Aileen? I'm Minister for Children and Young People and I want
:02:25. > :02:28.to listen to what young people have to say as well. Your views are
:02:28. > :02:38.really important. Also because the Scottish Government's aim is to make
:02:38. > :02:42.
:02:42. > :02:46.Scotland the best place in the world Generation stressed. That is the
:02:46. > :02:50.term that's been coined for today's 20-somethings, with a third having
:02:50. > :02:53.therapy and a quarter taking antidepressants. One in four of us
:02:53. > :02:56.has a mental illness at some point in our lives. BBC Three has
:02:56. > :03:04.responded with a season of programmes on mental health. Inside
:03:04. > :03:08.My Mind is on after us and features David who has OCD. During the night,
:03:08. > :03:13.our remote camera captures David's compulsive behaviour. Some nights I
:03:13. > :03:16.don't get to sleep at all. A combination of everything that
:03:16. > :03:24.happens during the day, like with the speedcameras and different
:03:24. > :03:29.things, on the road, but, mostly, worries about my Dad. The fear that
:03:29. > :03:33.his Dad will die is another of his persistent and irrational thoughts.
:03:33. > :03:40.When he was a boy, his father suffered from heart disease and this
:03:40. > :03:47.has haunted him ever since. David is convinced that carrying out
:03:47. > :03:52.compulsive rituals will help keep his Dad safe. Kirstie has a question
:03:52. > :03:57.for the panel. What do you want to ask? Is modern life driving us mad.
:03:57. > :04:03.Ranj, this is a big topic. We want to keep the debate moving. You have
:04:03. > :04:07.30 seconds to get us started. Starting now. I think that there is
:04:07. > :04:11.a misconception that we have lots of luxuries in the world today and in
:04:11. > :04:14.society and, yes, we do. It has never been harder to be a young
:04:14. > :04:21.person. We are faced with so many pressures from society, from family,
:04:21. > :04:25.from school, from our peers, from online, from the media, that it is
:04:25. > :04:29.incredibly difficult to cope sometimes and some people manifest
:04:29. > :04:33.it by having problems with things like their mental health. Mental
:04:33. > :04:37.health issues are growing. We need to wake up to that fact and deal
:04:37. > :04:43.with it. Thank you. Jane, what is your take on this? Is modern life
:04:43. > :04:48.driving us mad? If you had a baby, if a baby is not happy, you assume
:04:48. > :04:57.it is tired. Everyone carries their office in their back pocket. If you
:04:57. > :05:02.are checking your e-mails 24 hours ago, you are driving yourself nuts.
:05:02. > :05:07.In Los Angeles, you are talking to someone, "You don't mind, do you?"
:05:07. > :05:12.It is quite nuts. Yes. I want to take a few thoughts from the
:05:12. > :05:15.audience. Do we feel like - this gentleman here. It is quite
:05:15. > :05:19.staggering to associate all mental health with people being tired in
:05:19. > :05:22.some way that suggests that if everyone got a good night's sleep,
:05:22. > :05:28.we wouldn't have a mental health problem. Is it not more complex than
:05:28. > :05:33.that? We would be much better off investigating the real reasons why
:05:33. > :05:37.people have mental illness rather than suggesting everyone is mental?
:05:37. > :05:42.Is that a question for me? Felt like it. There is a lot of people making
:05:42. > :05:47.a nice living about pretending it is incredibly complex. Being depressed
:05:47. > :05:56.a natural reaction to your life. It is not a giant disease. I have been
:05:56. > :06:02.depressed. At the end of the day, if you wanted to do something useful,
:06:02. > :06:07.again so you can live in a halfway decent flat, not pump yourself up
:06:07. > :06:12.with pills. Pills are relatively early on in the medical process. We
:06:12. > :06:18.don't really know the full long-term effects. What are people saying
:06:18. > :06:20.online? Lots of messages coming in. "I do sympathise that some people
:06:20. > :06:25.have genuine psychological issues and should receive treatment, but
:06:25. > :06:33.most people who use this issue are either attention-seekers or mentally
:06:33. > :06:40.weak. People need to toughen up: " Do we need to tough en up? Loads of
:06:40. > :06:45.hands up. This gentleman here? of the reasons why people seem to be
:06:45. > :06:50.getting depressing is because of the money cuts. Most of that money seems
:06:50. > :06:56.to be on trams which don't seem to be going anywhere. Interesting. Too
:06:56. > :06:59.many trams(!) Aileen? Yes, I think a lot of people have commented about
:06:59. > :07:03.modern life. One of the positive things at the moment is people are
:07:03. > :07:08.able to speak about mental illness in a much more open way. That is a
:07:08. > :07:11.positive thing. There is a decrease in the stigmatisation about
:07:11. > :07:15.suffering from a mental illness. That is a positive thing. We should
:07:15. > :07:18.support people as best we can. Make sure there is those open channels
:07:18. > :07:23.for folk if they are suffering to be open about it and to seek the
:07:23. > :07:29.support and help that they would need. That support doesn't
:07:29. > :07:32.necessarily need to be through prescriptions. You are right, there
:07:32. > :07:40.are many different types of mental illness that you can suffer as well.
:07:40. > :07:45.It is not one of these things you can have a catch all policy, that is
:07:45. > :07:48.what we are trying to do. We are trying to be innovative with other
:07:48. > :07:52.forms of technology to try and make sure folk have somewhere to go and
:07:52. > :07:55.talk to about the things that they are suffering from. How would you
:07:55. > :08:00.tackle the problems of mental illness, Ruth? There are a couple of
:08:00. > :08:04.things we have to say. The first thing is for people who are
:08:05. > :08:09.experiencing some of the symptoms of mental ill-health, you are not
:08:09. > :08:11.alone. Four in ten women and one in ten men will suffer some form of
:08:11. > :08:15.mental ill-health in their life. Sometimes, particularly young
:08:15. > :08:18.people, who are suffering these symptoms for the first time, that
:08:18. > :08:23.comes with feelings sometimes of guilt or shame as well as confusion
:08:23. > :08:28.and fear. Mental ill-health is about being an illness. It is not about
:08:28. > :08:32.being weak like that guy texting in said. He is wrong. It is like if you
:08:32. > :08:35.have another mental problem, you have the right, you deserve to be
:08:35. > :08:40.treated in the same way as anything else. Do not be scared to go to your
:08:40. > :08:43.GP. Do not be scared to talk about it with teachers, or with your
:08:43. > :08:46.family at home. There is nothing that is going to stop you achieving
:08:46. > :08:50.in later life. There shouldn't be a stigma attached to this. Do not feel
:08:50. > :08:56.alone. Lots of people are feeling the same as you are. You deserve to
:08:56. > :09:01.get treatment. I think the NHS works as hard as it can on this. There is
:09:01. > :09:07.more that we can do. It is not always about drug therapy. There are
:09:07. > :09:11.talking therapies out there. The first thing that you have to do is
:09:11. > :09:18.go and speak to a doctor, go and speak to somebody in the healthcare
:09:18. > :09:22.profession. You deserve to get treatment. OK. We have heard from
:09:22. > :09:25.all our panel now. You know what I want, Tina? It is time to find out
:09:25. > :09:32.what the online audience think of what you have been saying so far.
:09:32. > :09:37.Let's fire it up. And Ranj, you are leading at the moment. Well done.
:09:37. > :09:42.Aileen is second. It can change of course. Where is Laura? Laura,
:09:42. > :09:47.hello. You have had mental health issues. Talk to me about how you
:09:47. > :09:57.have dealt with it. I think I want to say there is a big difference
:09:57. > :10:02.between being a bit sad and have -- and being depressed. I also wanted
:10:02. > :10:06.to say that it is important that as well as talking about the bad side
:10:06. > :10:10.of things and how things are really bad, people don't get treatment,
:10:10. > :10:13.people do get well. People do recover. People do live with mental
:10:13. > :10:18.health problems and function and go to work, go to school, go to
:10:18. > :10:24.university. So it is important that we promote hope and recovery as well
:10:24. > :10:31.as well as talking about the negatives. Absolutely. Alannah and
:10:31. > :10:36.Lisa, what are your experiences of mental illness? I went privately for
:10:36. > :10:38.treatment because I needed help quickly. One of the things that
:10:38. > :10:43.became obvious to me through clinical treatment was that, at no
:10:43. > :10:48.point, did anyone say, "Everything is going to be OK." It is that
:10:48. > :10:53.message of hope that is so important and charities like MIND do a lot for
:10:53. > :11:00.that and public speakers, young public speakers. People like Stephen
:11:00. > :11:05.Fry, Ruby Wax are all doing a great job. But no-one young has come out
:11:05. > :11:07.and said, "I can live my life again." There needs to be more on
:11:07. > :11:12.giving friends and family support. Lisa was my twin sister. I didn't
:11:12. > :11:14.know what advice to give. When Lisa was going through treatment, there
:11:14. > :11:22.wasn't any help for friends and family. That was the biggest support
:11:22. > :11:27.for you. Yeah.You needed us there. That is the main thing. That message
:11:27. > :11:30.of hope that you can get through it and that there is light at the end
:11:31. > :11:35.of the tunnel. Where is Dawn? You are a psychologist. You have dealt
:11:35. > :11:42.with young people a lot as a counsellor. What is the key to
:11:42. > :11:48.tackling this? Gosh. I mean, mental health as somebody was saying
:11:48. > :11:55.before, it is dictated by a variety of factors. They all interact. They
:11:55. > :12:01.define our mental health and wellbeing. It is very difficult to
:12:01. > :12:04.say this is what the answer is. In my experience, I work in private
:12:04. > :12:11.practice now, but I am noticing a lot more younger people are coming
:12:11. > :12:14.to see me. A lot of them will say they haven't been to speak to their
:12:14. > :12:19.GP, they haven't been to see family or friends and I am the first person
:12:19. > :12:24.they have spoken to about it. I think it is really important that we
:12:24. > :12:28.provide the environment in which it is OK to talk about these things and
:12:28. > :12:34.not to feel afraid to talk about them. I was talking earlier about
:12:34. > :12:36.the fact that social media and the fact we rely so much on technology,
:12:36. > :12:39.on communicating electronically with computers, iPads and tablets.
:12:39. > :12:43.Sometimes I think we are losing the ability to communicate with each
:12:43. > :12:47.other. We are relying on electronic means so much that when we try to
:12:47. > :12:52.sit down to talk about something very serious to somebody, we can't
:12:52. > :12:56.do it. We are so used to typing in an e-mail or something else like
:12:56. > :13:02.that. That is quite a significant influence as well. So, there is a
:13:02. > :13:04.whole range of factors. Mental health starts in our younger years,
:13:04. > :13:09.childhood is when things start to develop and our experiences as
:13:10. > :13:14.children can have a huge impact on how we cope as an adult. It is about
:13:14. > :13:18.being comfortable with face to face interaction, talking about stuff and
:13:18. > :13:21.destigmatising? More therapists, as people are saying here, we need to
:13:21. > :13:28.concentrate on the fact that people do get better. There is hope. There
:13:28. > :13:35.are people out there who can help. It is about - in therapy, I always
:13:35. > :13:37.say, "The first session, we will do this together." That is a really
:13:37. > :13:45.important message. Absolutely. Kirstie, who asked the question
:13:45. > :13:49.earlier, has made a little film about her own experiences. Living
:13:49. > :13:55.with depression and anxiety is all consuming. You become locked within
:13:55. > :13:59.yourself. It is very much like a fall. Everything came to a head. I
:13:59. > :14:04.was only 11. I decided I was going to kill myself. People who have
:14:04. > :14:08.mental health problems often are seen as a phase, they are told to
:14:08. > :14:13.snap out of it. I feel like I am beating the thing that beat me for
:14:13. > :14:19.ten or 11 years. This is my organisation board where I write
:14:19. > :14:23.things I have got on. I need to keep a routine. If I'm not organised, it
:14:23. > :14:28.becomes much easier for my moods to become more erratic. Recovery
:14:28. > :14:32.doesn't mean you are cured. I am coping better. I work for the eked
:14:32. > :14:36.en burring Self Harm Project. I have to be on top of my game. I'm a role
:14:36. > :14:39.model. I do think social media does impact on people's mental health. It
:14:39. > :14:45.is very easy when you are not feeling good to text someone. You
:14:45. > :14:51.can avoid people. You don't have to see people. If I'm already feeling
:14:51. > :14:56.quite crap, I will not use social networking sides for any support.
:14:56. > :14:59.There is this constant influx of how amazing everyone's life is. We are
:14:59. > :15:03.portraying our lives as something that they are not. I will have to
:15:03. > :15:07.close everything off and I won't bother. I need face to face contact.
:15:07. > :15:13.Shall we go up in the town? You can do everything from behind the
:15:13. > :15:18.screen. We are human beings. The thing we communicate with most is
:15:18. > :15:22.eye contact. It would be sad if we forgot how to talk to each other.
:15:22. > :15:29.Kirstie is echoing what Dawn was saying. How big an impact do you
:15:29. > :15:33.think that social media is having on our mental health? Yes, this lady?
:15:33. > :15:37.think that social network does impact on a lot of people. It is a
:15:37. > :15:41.barrier, like it is always about. There should be more body language
:15:41. > :15:45.and eye contact and people should speak to each other. I feel too many
:15:45. > :15:54.people hide behind the screen and just say everything is OK when they
:15:54. > :15:57.are not. They should speak more. Yes, hand here? I also feel like
:15:57. > :16:03.things like Facebook and Twitter, you are never going to put out there
:16:03. > :16:09.that you are not feeling good. You are going to really show how great
:16:09. > :16:13.your life is and photos of you looking good and happy so everyone
:16:13. > :16:21.never see anyone unhappy. Some people use it to put themselves out
:16:21. > :16:24.there. My sister has battled with mental imbalances for many years.
:16:24. > :16:29.She post statuses quite regularly and a lot of people get annoyed and
:16:29. > :16:34.go, "She is so attention seeking." When I see her, I know to go round
:16:34. > :16:39.to her flat, I know to contact her and that is helpful for me. That is
:16:39. > :16:44.a useful tool for you. On that point, lots of people at home are
:16:44. > :16:49.talking about this being permanently switched on. "We are expected to be
:16:49. > :16:52.on call 24/7. If we are go, go, go, we will run ourselves into the
:16:52. > :16:56.ground. Request t "A similar point from Simon. "The everything must be
:16:56. > :17:00.done in five minutes society, too much pressure." So coming back to
:17:00. > :17:06.what Jane said originally. Can I come back in? Although there's not
:17:06. > :17:12.been much work done on this, a girl in the audience has a Stonewall
:17:12. > :17:15.T-shirt on. There was a report that was looking at cyberbullying and how
:17:15. > :17:21.that affected people's mental health. They found that more than
:17:21. > :17:27.half of young gay bisexual people in schools said that they had bullying,
:17:27. > :17:31.a huge part of that being cyberbullying. One in four were
:17:31. > :17:34.trying to commit suicide. I think people who are using Facebook, and
:17:34. > :17:39.Twitter, they have to be aware of what they are doing with other
:17:39. > :17:44.people and be aware of others, too. It is not about just showing how
:17:44. > :17:48.good your own life is. We have seen how it can be used as a tool to
:17:48. > :17:52.target people. We have to be aware of that. It does affect people.
:17:52. > :17:55.There is that link there. We have seen that link. As people who all
:17:55. > :17:58.use the internet, we have to be responsible on the internet as well
:17:58. > :18:07.as in real life, too. We will be talking a lot more about that later
:18:07. > :18:10.on in the show. Have you got some more messages? I do. Daniel says,
:18:10. > :18:15."Mental illness comes from an unequal society where you are never
:18:15. > :18:20.going to do as your middle-class counter-parts." Jenny says, "I don't
:18:20. > :18:27.think modern life is the cause. It is people who cause bullying. The
:18:27. > :18:33.tech nol noling only helps them being anonymous." Si, "Tough enough
:18:33. > :18:36.and snap out of it are two of the most degrading terms for people with
:18:36. > :18:43.mental health issues." In you want your point of view read out, you
:18:43. > :18:48.have to make it first. Head to facebook.com/BBCFreeSpeech. For
:18:48. > :18:53.Twitter it is @BBCFreeSpeech. Or you can go to bbc.co.uk/FreeSpeech.
:18:53. > :18:59.Next, let's move the debate on mental health on. 2,000 psychiatric
:18:59. > :19:02.beds have been cut in England in the last two years and more than half of
:19:02. > :19:06.English councils say they cut their budgets for children and young
:19:06. > :19:11.people's mental health services last year. Jonny Benjamin investigated in
:19:11. > :19:15.a documentary for BBC Three. One of the worst failures happened
:19:15. > :19:21.when I was a student in Manchester. It was before I was diagnosed and I
:19:21. > :19:25.was going through a serious mental breakdown. I felt like I was being
:19:25. > :19:35.possessed by the devil. I was in the grips of psychosis and desperate to
:19:35. > :19:36.
:19:36. > :19:46.take my life. So I ran out the house. I was walking the streets,
:19:46. > :19:47.
:19:47. > :19:53.completely out of control. I remember running alongside this busy
:19:53. > :19:58.road screaming and shouting at all the cars going past. Eventually, I
:19:58. > :20:04.collapsed and I remember my housemates found me and they took me
:20:04. > :20:09.to the local A&E down the road. I wanted to end it all. I told the
:20:09. > :20:14.psychiatrist this, but he said there wasn't much he could do. He didn't
:20:14. > :20:19.have any beds available. He gave me some Valium and sent me on my way.
:20:19. > :20:22.We have a question from Michael. Where is Michael? What do you want
:20:22. > :20:30.to ask? Do you feel like the NHS provides enough support for young
:20:30. > :20:35.people? OK. Tina, can you get that? I am just launching the question on
:20:35. > :20:38.Facebook and Twitter. You can have your say online. Jonny is here. I
:20:38. > :20:42.would like to speak to him first. How would you respond to the
:20:42. > :20:45.question that Michael has just asked? Does the NHS provide enough
:20:46. > :20:49.support for young people? No, I don't think so, unfortunately. That
:20:49. > :20:53.is due to the fact that mental health spending keeps falling, so
:20:53. > :20:57.the NHS doesn't have the resources that they need to deal with the
:20:57. > :21:02.amount of young people coming in with mental health problems. This is
:21:02. > :21:07.all angles, from GPs, A&E departments. If you go to an A&E
:21:07. > :21:10.department and you have self-harmed, only 50% of these cases receive an
:21:10. > :21:14.assessment. The rest are sent home. It is not good enough. Too many
:21:14. > :21:19.young people are losing their lives. Four young people every day take
:21:19. > :21:26.their lives. So, not enough is being done to help them. APPLAUSE
:21:26. > :21:30.Where are you on this, panel? Ruth? I give you 30 seconds to tell us
:21:30. > :21:34.where you are. I think when you are talking about the NHS supporting
:21:34. > :21:40.young people and health comes across-the-board, we think it starts
:21:40. > :21:44.at birth, that is why we want more spent on the under twos, we want
:21:44. > :21:48.universal health visitor coverage in Scotland, but also if we are talking
:21:48. > :21:52.specifically about mental health, we are seeing money put in by the UK
:21:52. > :21:55.Government, that is coming up here to Scotland as well. There is �400
:21:55. > :22:00.million being put in over the course of the Spending Review period and we
:22:00. > :22:03.get that up here in Scotland, too. In terms of the clinical
:22:03. > :22:08.applications, we need to be a lot stronger with people at the sharp
:22:08. > :22:12.end. A&E specifically, to be able to flag up. It is not just about acute
:22:12. > :22:17.healthcare. It is about social care in the communities, too. It is
:22:17. > :22:21.linking that as well. I have given you 50 seconds! I don't know why.
:22:21. > :22:30.You need to be able to look after people in their own communities as
:22:30. > :22:33.well. Ranj? I think we have to be completely honest. The NHS does a
:22:34. > :22:37.fantastic job most of the time for most people, 24/7, seven days a
:22:37. > :22:41.week. It does do a good job. When it comes to certain people, it could be
:22:41. > :22:46.better and we need to be honest about that. The care of young
:22:46. > :22:52.people's mental health is the job of society as a whole. It is about care
:22:52. > :22:58.at home. It is about support at school. I agree, we could be better
:22:58. > :23:02.and we are doing better. We are investing more money. We are trying,
:23:02. > :23:05.although it's a very different story from the Government than it is from
:23:05. > :23:09.doctors on the ground. Some of us are trying to speak up to make
:23:09. > :23:12.things better. What are people saying about the NHS? Paul is
:23:12. > :23:17.agreeing with your point and saying what about the young people's
:23:17. > :23:21.families? Why is it some stranger's responsibility? The family has a
:23:21. > :23:25.duty of care, too. Stop making it other people's responsibility for
:23:25. > :23:32.parenting in this country. He doesn't think it's the NHS's
:23:32. > :23:36.responsibility. Paula says, "Staff of A&E are not there to discover
:23:36. > :23:40.underlying problems. They should, yes. But lack of time and resources
:23:40. > :23:46.prevents this happening." It is worth bearing in mind the NHS deals
:23:46. > :23:50.with over a million patients every 36 hours. They are swamped. Aileen?
:23:50. > :23:54.I think the NHS, everyone is proud of the fact we have the NHS in this
:23:54. > :23:57.country and it is doing a fantastic job. The people who work there are
:23:57. > :24:03.so dedicated to making sure that the health and wellbeing of people is
:24:03. > :24:07.cared for. I think going back to one of the other audience member's
:24:07. > :24:11.points about mental health having its start in childhood is an
:24:11. > :24:16.important point as well. If we can support children in their earliest
:24:16. > :24:19.years, we can lay firm foundations for them to have happy lives later
:24:19. > :24:23.on. That approach is something we need to be mindful of as well,
:24:23. > :24:30.making sure if your parents need support that they get that support
:24:30. > :24:35.when and where they needed. People, parents, they do a fantastic job,
:24:35. > :24:41.but they can need a bit of help from time to time. We did some economic
:24:41. > :24:49.modelling. For every �1 you spent in the early years, you spent �9 on
:24:49. > :24:53.cures. Those economics stack up as well. We are investing in calm
:24:53. > :24:57.services for young people. Like Ranj says, with e can always do more and
:24:57. > :25:01.do better. What we are doing is trying to make sure that young
:25:01. > :25:06.people are cared for in the NHS. People do value the support they get
:25:06. > :25:10.from the NHS. We can do more. But we need to make sure that it is more
:25:10. > :25:12.than the NHS there. We have social services, teachers - lots of people
:25:12. > :25:16.have a stake in this. We need to make sure we are supporting young
:25:16. > :25:20.people to the best of our abilities and we are doing that. We can do
:25:20. > :25:26.more, but in Scotland we are doing not too badly. Jane, do you think
:25:26. > :25:36.the NHS can cope with the amount of mental illness in the UK? I have
:25:36. > :25:40.lived in countries with private healthcare. In Los Angeles, you go -
:25:40. > :25:50.I went to a doctor with a sore throat and he sent me for a CAT
:25:50. > :25:51.
:25:51. > :25:54.scan! Anything you can do to prop it up, or we will live in an
:25:54. > :26:01.American-crazed healthcare system. Who doesn't think the NHS isn't
:26:01. > :26:07.doing a good job? Who thinks it is a mess? Yes, the gentleman here?
:26:07. > :26:13.I have been to the psychologist before and they didn't even know I
:26:13. > :26:19.was self-harming and trying to end my life. He ended up not diagnosing
:26:19. > :26:26.it. So, I was wanting Ranj's point on whether he should have diagnosed
:26:26. > :26:29.it or not. Ranj? They should have. The thing is, I think we have to be
:26:29. > :26:32.- we have to face up to the fact that young people aren't taken
:26:32. > :26:35.seriously enough when it comes to their mental health as well as their
:26:35. > :26:41.other health. People don't think young people get sick. They think
:26:41. > :26:45.they are invincible. Therefore, they almost belittle their problems, and
:26:45. > :26:48.that app political parties to mental health as well as their other issue.
:26:48. > :26:52.If we started listening to young people and giving them a voice that
:26:52. > :26:56.they should have, we wouldn't have a lot of these problems. Let's wake up
:26:56. > :27:04.to the fact that there is a real problem when it comes to caring for
:27:04. > :27:09.this group of people and we need to do better. OK. The gentleman here?
:27:09. > :27:13.lot of people in defence of the NHS have said that it's the duty of
:27:13. > :27:17.family and society to support people. But does this not raise
:27:18. > :27:21.another issue of public spending which is that education about it? A
:27:21. > :27:26.number of people who are very close to me suffer from mental health
:27:26. > :27:30.issues. And when things are bad, I don't know what to say, I don't know
:27:30. > :27:34.what to do. Often I end up doing the wrong thing. I tell them, "It
:27:34. > :27:40.doesn't matter, it is not a big deal." It is a big deal to them. It
:27:40. > :27:44.is very important to them. So that ends up exacerbating the situation.
:27:44. > :27:48.We can't shirk our responsibility. The NHS is there to help people. It
:27:48. > :27:51.is a health system designed to help people that need help. We can't
:27:51. > :27:57.forget that. It is part of the puzzle. It is not the only thing
:27:58. > :28:05.that is there. I think we need to pay attention to some other areas,
:28:05. > :28:11.too. Where is David Green? I think you need to look where it was in
:28:11. > :28:18.2010. It was a bureaucratic mess under the last Labour Government. So
:28:18. > :28:25.if you look at the NHS reforms, there are some key Liberal Democrat
:28:25. > :28:32.successes in that. Things like ensuring that the NHS budget is
:28:32. > :28:35.protected, investing �400 million into mental healthcare, and more
:28:35. > :28:38.transparency in the NHS through Local Health Boards. These are
:28:38. > :28:43.really important. That is a strong record of action that is looking to
:28:43. > :28:51.try and build a fairer society, but we need to recognise there is a lot
:28:51. > :28:58.more that we need to do, but we are certainly getting there. OK. Yes, at
:28:58. > :29:03.the back? I don't think everyone should blame the NHS. They are doing
:29:03. > :29:08.wrong, but they are not perfect either. Before it gets to the stage
:29:08. > :29:12.of being in A&E, why are they not getting educated in school about
:29:12. > :29:17.mental health? They should educate and once people have the knowledge,
:29:17. > :29:21.they can help doctors and friends, they can come together and make a
:29:21. > :29:30.positive impact about stop being all negative and saying, "Nobody is
:29:30. > :29:34.going to do anything." At the end of the day, we are human beings, we
:29:35. > :29:40.need to come together to make it a more positive thing. A good point.
:29:40. > :29:43.APPLAUSE What are people saying online? Loads of reaction coming in.
:29:43. > :29:48."Treatment alone isn't the solution as the underlying causes are never
:29:48. > :29:51.solved. The NHS won't be able to cope." James says, "It is hard to
:29:51. > :29:57.talk honestly to doctors who are older than you. They don't
:29:57. > :30:00.understand." David says q t as a 25-year-old manager of an NHS site
:30:00. > :30:05.in the North East, I believe there is resources out there for young
:30:05. > :30:10.people, but it must be asked for and proactively sought. Friends and
:30:10. > :30:14.family must reach out to assist in the care of patients." Let's see if
:30:14. > :30:19.anything has changed on the Power Bar. Ranj, you are still in the
:30:19. > :30:26.lead. You can influence the Power Bar, too. Get on Twitter and tell
:30:26. > :30:30.our panelists what you think of them. Use #Yes no or #Yes followed
:30:30. > :30:35.by their furs t name. Next up Bongo-bongo Land, a term used by
:30:35. > :30:39.Godfrey Bloom in a speech about overseas aid. Let's put aside the
:30:39. > :30:43.provocative phraseology. He claims much of the UK's �11 billion
:30:43. > :30:48.overseas aid budget is unaccounted for and is spent on Ferraris and
:30:48. > :30:56.sunglasses. The Department of International Development points out
:30:57. > :31:02.their most recent expenditure was �10 million helping to eradicate a
:31:02. > :31:08.polio outbreak in East Africa. Fay, what do you want to ask? Should
:31:08. > :31:11.charity not start at home? OK. Jane, you have 30 seconds. Should charity
:31:11. > :31:21.be starting at home given there are families struggling here? Can I have
:31:21. > :31:21.
:31:21. > :31:25.four weeks? You can have 35 seconds! Superb(!) I live in East Africa. I
:31:25. > :31:30.used to really want to work for a charity until I went to live there.
:31:30. > :31:33.You would not believe what goes on. It is so easy to help
:31:33. > :31:39.underprivileged people, invest in their businesses and let them get
:31:39. > :31:49.jobs instead of charity. The charity industry is - I'm not talking about
:31:49. > :31:49.
:31:49. > :31:54.the mow bile library van - -- mobile library van - when I drive down past
:31:54. > :32:00.posh restaurants, the car parks are packed with Rez numberplates. These
:32:00. > :32:06.are people whose job is to clear up the poverty, but they are having an
:32:06. > :32:10.endless lunch meeting. You are walking up for some film about
:32:10. > :32:16.poverty on a flight. UNICEF are nowhere near you on the plane. They
:32:16. > :32:20.are up the front drinking free champagne. In two UN Headquarters
:32:20. > :32:24.alone, �54 million went on flying business class by choice. Imagine
:32:24. > :32:29.this, you want to improve your life. You put on a clean shirt and you ask
:32:29. > :32:34.a bloke to give you a job. Imagine if some random white guy had told
:32:34. > :32:39.that employer that you were a mess, that you had a chronic disease, you
:32:39. > :32:47.couldn't feed your kids, the charity industry has spent 30 years running
:32:47. > :32:52.down Africa and it wonders how Africa has a middle-class. I have
:32:53. > :32:57.given you four weeks! I have to stop you. Aileen? I think the comments we
:32:57. > :33:01.heard today were pretty out of - they weren't very nice at all. He
:33:01. > :33:05.should reflect on what he said and think again about how he promotes
:33:05. > :33:10.his views. Sure.I think though if we want to be a responsible member
:33:10. > :33:15.of the world and we have a duty to make sure we provide help and
:33:15. > :33:20.support to countries that are a bit less fortunate than our own. Why do
:33:20. > :33:23.you supply it to bent governments? We have an international aid budget
:33:23. > :33:33.within the Scottish Government. That is about working with countries we
:33:33. > :33:37.
:33:37. > :33:47.have a link with. Yes, but...It is to make sure the benefit people in
:33:47. > :33:48.
:33:48. > :33:51.Scotland give are felt in countries we help. They have still not met
:33:51. > :33:55.their international obligations successfully. Successive governments
:33:55. > :33:59.have refused to meet their targets to our neighbours around the world.
:33:59. > :34:02.That is not a positive move at all. What we need to do is make sure we
:34:02. > :34:10.have a positive impact on our neighbours around the world. It is
:34:10. > :34:15.our duty as a good, global citizen, to be promoting help around the
:34:15. > :34:19.world. I think what we need to do is make sure we don't just compare
:34:19. > :34:22.apples with pears. We need to make sure there is fairness in this
:34:22. > :34:28.society as well. That means not having the drastic welfare cuts that
:34:28. > :34:31.we are seeing. It also means being responsible in the world as well and
:34:31. > :34:35.making sure that countries are supported. It is right that we do
:34:35. > :34:37.that. We need to be strategic in our approach. Make sure the help is
:34:37. > :34:41.getting to those that need it. The Government in Scotland has been
:34:41. > :34:47.trying to do that through engaging with projects. I think we can always
:34:47. > :34:53.do more. Ruth? I think the woman is right. Things are tough in this
:34:53. > :34:58.country. Godfrey Bloom's comments were disgusting. He is ignorant. I
:34:58. > :35:03.think they were borderline racist. I'm proud of the UK... He's denied
:35:04. > :35:09.being racist. He said he is old. There you go. I'm proud of the UK,
:35:09. > :35:13.that it is meeting its Millennium Goals for 0.7%. I know we racked up,
:35:13. > :35:16.the last Labour Government racked up huge deficit, massive debts. The
:35:16. > :35:23.reason tough choices are being made now is so we don't pass that on to
:35:23. > :35:26.our children, it is not fair. It is not fair to blame or to punish the
:35:26. > :35:29.very poorest people in other parts of the world for the mistakes that
:35:29. > :35:32.were made by the last Labour Government and others and the
:35:32. > :35:36.bankers. I'm proud that we are helping the poorest people in the
:35:36. > :35:40.world. If Godfrey Bloom wants to talk about what the UK's aid budget
:35:40. > :35:44.is doing, let's talk about some of the crises that are going on right
:35:44. > :35:53.now. The Government is also tackling in affecting the poorest people in
:35:53. > :36:00.society. You have had your shot. Let me finish this. APPLAUSEWorld Bank
:36:00. > :36:05.says the average income here, GDP is 38 thoul thousand dollars, in Mali
:36:05. > :36:13.it is 694. We have had to put �20 million in the last six months. That
:36:13. > :36:18.is not being spent on Raybands, or fighter jets, it is not being spent
:36:18. > :36:28.on flats in Paris, it is being spent on medical care for women who are
:36:28. > :36:33.being raped, it is being spent on crisis care and feeding, they have a
:36:33. > :36:36.massive programme of feeding there, it is being used by the UN to feed
:36:36. > :36:39.the two million people who need food aid. I am proud the UK is
:36:39. > :36:44.contributing to that. We should continue to contribute to that.
:36:44. > :36:51.Remember, we are live and you can talk to us now on Facebook. We are
:36:51. > :36:56.on Twitter, and BBC Online. Let's hear your opinion. This lady here?
:36:56. > :37:00.Shouldn't we be tackling the home lessness, the people who can't eat
:37:00. > :37:03.in the UK first before, like, they are still being people raped in the
:37:03. > :37:07.UK, there's still people that can't get injections, there are still
:37:08. > :37:13.people that can't get a roof over their head, even through homeless
:37:13. > :37:16.accommodation. People that have to go to churches and soup kitchens to
:37:16. > :37:20.be able to put food into their mouths. Shouldn't we be
:37:20. > :37:26.concentrating on that first? I think we can do both. The Government is
:37:26. > :37:29.trying to do both. Where is the development in our own country?
:37:29. > :37:35.introduced legislation that was passed with cross-party support to
:37:35. > :37:40.tackle that issue. It is not a case of you can't try and help people at
:37:40. > :37:44.home if you are helping people abroad. You can do both. I don't
:37:44. > :37:48.think when you have got people living on less than $2 a day it is
:37:48. > :37:52.morally responsible for us, as one of the richer nations in the world,
:37:52. > :37:58.to turn our backs on them because we are having problems at home. You can
:37:58. > :38:01.do both. I'm saying, like, for instance, as soon as I got into
:38:01. > :38:05.Edinburgh today I seen a man sleeping on the street begging for
:38:05. > :38:10.money, like shouldn't we be trying to get these guys off the street as
:38:10. > :38:13.well as helping foreign countries? We should. Why are there still
:38:13. > :38:19.people sleeping on the streets? can't talk about that individual
:38:19. > :38:27.man's circumstances. Aileen, you have probably the figures on this.
:38:27. > :38:30.We have tried to do some stuff on that. LAUGHTER We have passed
:38:30. > :38:35.landmark legislation to eradicate homelessness as well and the figures
:38:35. > :38:38.are going down. But also, though, a lot of the things we do in Scotland
:38:38. > :38:41.are undermined by the bedroom tax and things like that. These are the
:38:41. > :38:44.things we have no control over. While it is OK to say we should try
:38:44. > :38:48.and tackle poverty in Scotland and around the world, that is great and
:38:48. > :38:54.as a Government, we are doing what we can with the powers that we have
:38:54. > :38:57.to try and tackle poverty. While it is being undermined by the harsh and
:38:57. > :39:02.regressive welfare reforms that are coming from the UK Government. The
:39:02. > :39:12.bedroom tax is one example. APPLAUSE One more point from a gentleman over
:39:12. > :39:14.
:39:14. > :39:18.here. Just - how about taking a different view of international aid?
:39:18. > :39:22.How about considering that handing, whether it is money or resources,
:39:22. > :39:26.over to the impoverished parts of the world doesn't do it. Open up our
:39:26. > :39:33.trade barriers. Let us trade with these parts of the world and let
:39:34. > :39:36.them benefit from capitalism. Let them enjoy the benefits of trade and
:39:36. > :39:40.that private investment rather than handing over resources. Interesting
:39:40. > :39:45.point. What are people saying at home? This is the reaction coming
:39:45. > :39:49.in. Joseph says, "Why should we be going further into debt to give aid
:39:49. > :39:59.to foreign countries, especially to countries where human rights aren't
:39:59. > :40:00.
:40:00. > :40:07.respected?" Jason says, "The struggles we face are nothing
:40:07. > :40:14.compared to around the world." Alex says, "Depends what you think, we
:40:14. > :40:19.live in a small world." Angela says, "Due to globalisation, the world is
:40:19. > :40:24.home." Let's look at the Power Bar. Ranj, you are still in the lead.
:40:24. > :40:28.Very good. Next up, the birth of Prince George of Cambridge which
:40:29. > :40:34.created a lovely warm glow for most people. It's certainly attracted the
:40:34. > :40:38.attention of the world's press. Here in Scotland, the reaction from some
:40:38. > :40:43.quarters was different. The chairman of the Scottish Independence Group
:40:43. > :40:47.described the prospect of the Prince being King of Scotland as an affront
:40:47. > :40:57.to democracy. The Fringe is under way, so we asked a bunch of
:40:57. > :41:15.
:41:15. > :41:19.than the last King of Scotland, who was Idi Amin. He was a brutal man.
:41:19. > :41:23.They get so upset if you take anything away from a baby. The first
:41:24. > :41:28.thing that happens to baby George is he loses one of his countries, that
:41:28. > :41:32.will really upset him! In terms of independence, if Scotland is a lady
:41:32. > :41:37.who has had a terrible boyfriend, England, for a long time. He never
:41:37. > :41:40.really understood her. Scotland, you need to pull yourself together and
:41:40. > :41:45.get a push-up bra, get your roots done, have a white wine. There is
:41:46. > :41:52.nothing to be scared of. I think if you are going to go, you need to go.
:41:52. > :41:58.You can't leave and go, "We'll keep the monarchy and we will keep other
:41:58. > :42:07.English stuff, like David Beckham." You are either in or you are out,
:42:07. > :42:11.OK. Don't go, but if you do, you are not having George! Can I keep my
:42:12. > :42:17.castle? Good luck, Scotland. Don't get off with the first person that
:42:17. > :42:25.will have you. We will miss you. Strong message there. Aaron has a
:42:25. > :42:30.question. Go on? Is having a monarch necessary for Scotland? OK. Aileen,
:42:30. > :42:40."yes" or "no"? The Scottish Government's position is... That is
:42:40. > :42:43.not "yes" or "no". Do I not get 30 seconds? I suppose so.The Scottish
:42:43. > :42:46.Government position's is that the Queen would remain head of state.
:42:46. > :42:49.Like many people in Scotland, I believe the sovereignty of people is
:42:49. > :42:54.a very important thing. It would be up to people to decide whether or
:42:54. > :42:58.not that would remain the case thereafter. I think it is up to
:42:58. > :43:02.folk, it is folk like yourselves who have a say in how the country is
:43:02. > :43:05.shaped. That is a really exciting thing. The birth of a child is
:43:05. > :43:10.always a happy event. Everyone wishes Prince George all the very
:43:10. > :43:15.best. But for the country to move forward, a "yes" vote next year will
:43:15. > :43:20.enable us to take the decisions about how that country would look
:43:20. > :43:27.like and that includes deciding who would be the future head of state.
:43:27. > :43:30.Does that echo how you feel about it, Ruth? I hope very much we stay
:43:31. > :43:36.as part of the United Kingdom. We have the best of both worlds. We can
:43:36. > :43:40.make decisions about our NHS, police, the courts, but we are also
:43:40. > :43:44.part of a a home and we walk on the world stage as a member of the
:43:44. > :43:50.Security Council at the UN, we do more together. We have a fantastic
:43:50. > :43:53.UK armed forces. I also like the Royals. I am proud of the Queen. I'm
:43:53. > :43:57.an unashamed royalist and monarchist. The Queen has done a
:43:57. > :44:02.fantastic job for 60 years. I like the younger generation. I hope
:44:03. > :44:09.George will go on and serve in the armed forces and go on to be a good
:44:09. > :44:12.figurehead and role model as we move forward. OK. Russ, you are from the
:44:12. > :44:17.Yes Scotland Campaign. Where to you stand on the issue of monarchy for
:44:17. > :44:24.Scotland? From Yes Scotland's perspective, the vote is on nothing
:44:24. > :44:29.but independence for Scotland. The Union of the Crown is completely
:44:29. > :44:36.separate. I'm a Republican, like the chair of the campaign. He stressed a
:44:36. > :44:42.lot that he said that in a personal capacity. Both Dennis and I were
:44:42. > :44:45.converts to Ince ips -- independence. The point of the
:44:45. > :44:49.independence debate and the point of the "yes" campaign is to give the
:44:49. > :44:53.people of Scotland this decision. We should be the ones to decide whether
:44:53. > :44:56.we live under a monarchy. That can only happen with independence. On
:44:56. > :45:00.day one of independence, we will still be with the Queen, we will
:45:00. > :45:04.still keep the monarchy. That is a decision for later on. You would
:45:04. > :45:09.have a second referendum? Potentially. That depends on who
:45:10. > :45:14.wins the election. That is the point of independence. That depends on who
:45:14. > :45:18.win the election in 2016. Most of the parties don't propose a
:45:18. > :45:22.referendum on the monarchy. We do. We are a party that is a Republican
:45:22. > :45:25.Party. Most parties aren't. Most people in Scotland aren't
:45:25. > :45:29.Republicans. I'm comfortable with that because the point of
:45:29. > :45:36.independence is just to give us that choice, that option. OK. APPLAUSE
:45:36. > :45:41.Yes, you want to say something? is not really, it will work in the
:45:41. > :45:45.short-term but not in the long-term for me. What happens if Scotland is
:45:45. > :45:51.independent and you run out of money at some point? What do you do then?
:45:51. > :45:58.Really, I would say more devolved powers is a better idea, stay as
:45:58. > :46:01.part of the UK but give Scotland more independent powers. Yes?
:46:01. > :46:06.think Alex Salmond's glorified campaign is all good and well, but
:46:06. > :46:10.we had a straw poll amongst our friends. 100% said they didn't know
:46:10. > :46:15.enough about it. I understand we have a year to the referendum. There
:46:15. > :46:25.is not enough grassroots work being done by unbiased voices. That is the
:46:25. > :46:25.
:46:25. > :46:29.key. I moved down to London when I was 18. I am proud of my dual
:46:29. > :46:34.identity. I am still patriotic about Scotland. I don't know how many
:46:34. > :46:38.people would say they were informed enough to vote tomorrow or next week
:46:38. > :46:41.on the referendum. I think there is not enough young voices telling
:46:41. > :46:48.people what their lives are going to be like. It is our generation that
:46:48. > :46:53.it is going to change. The lady with the hand up? I heard an interesting
:46:53. > :46:57.analogy which I would like to share. A friend said, "If you lived in a
:46:57. > :47:01.house that you were comfortable in, and it was a nice enough house,
:47:01. > :47:04.would you move into a mystery house which you know nothing about?" I
:47:04. > :47:13.thought that was quite a relevant discussion. What do you think about
:47:13. > :47:17.that? Sounds quite exciting to me! Yes? I should probably point out are
:47:17. > :47:21.we comfortable in this house? The UK is the fourth most unequal country
:47:21. > :47:26.in the world. We have a UK Government who would rather spend
:47:26. > :47:32.billions on nuclear weapons and cut education and the NHS. APPLAUSE The
:47:32. > :47:37.gentleman here? I think in response to that point, it is pretty silly to
:47:37. > :47:40.think that if you go independent with all the instability and not
:47:40. > :47:44.necessarily being in the EU, to think that you will be able to
:47:44. > :47:48.commit more resources to what you want to spend it on, when quo if you
:47:48. > :47:53.are going to commit to NATO and the EU, you have a lot of commitment
:47:53. > :47:59.which might not necessarily have been taken into account. To think
:47:59. > :48:05.you can carry on with your own agenda, whilst ignoring everybody
:48:05. > :48:10.else's. That is a naive and silly point. Ranj, where do you stand on
:48:10. > :48:15.this? If Scottish people don't know enough about it, I definitely don't
:48:15. > :48:19.know enough about it. I would say the people need to speak and they
:48:19. > :48:23.need to be informed enough to be able to speak up. And really know
:48:23. > :48:26.what it means. I don't know what it would mean if Scotland didn't have a
:48:26. > :48:31.monarchy. I thought it was really nice that everyone came together to
:48:31. > :48:35.look at baby George, or whatever his name is. LAUGHTEREveryone was on
:48:35. > :48:40.telly Twittering away. It was such a nice thing. I don't know what it
:48:40. > :48:44.would be like if we didn't, if you guys didn't have that. It is fairly
:48:44. > :48:49.difficult for me to say. It is nice that we all stand holding hands,
:48:49. > :48:52.isn't it? The independence is not about building a big wall at the
:48:52. > :49:01.border. It is about empowering Scotland to take decisions that are
:49:01. > :49:05.relevant to the needs and wishes of people who live here. So it is about
:49:05. > :49:11.having not a neighbour to draw on your housing analogy, but having a
:49:11. > :49:15.good partner in the world. We would have our own voice on the global
:49:15. > :49:19.stage to be able to articulate the needs... Scotland will be closer to
:49:19. > :49:25.England by separating away from England, Wales and Northern Ireland?
:49:25. > :49:30.That is not... APPLAUSEAt the moment. I will say you two can argue
:49:30. > :49:35.about this afterwards! We haven't got long left. What are people
:49:35. > :49:43.saying online? "If they don't want to stay part of the United Kingdom,
:49:43. > :49:51.they shouldn't get the king." "The monarchy helps define us amongst
:49:51. > :49:54.other countries." "We need to have a truly democratic republic." The
:49:54. > :49:59.Power Bar, let's see if anything has changed. Ranj, you are still
:49:59. > :50:03.leading. Aileen, you have gone backup. Good stuff. It can still
:50:03. > :50:08.change. Let's move on to our final question about social media. We love
:50:08. > :50:13.it. Tina loves it. If you are tweeting our Power Bar, you love it,
:50:13. > :50:16.too. A third man was arrested this morning in relation to alleged
:50:16. > :50:20.Twitter threats to MP Stella Creasy and campaigner, Caroline
:50:20. > :50:23.Criado-Perez. Yesterday, the father of a teenager who committed suicide
:50:23. > :50:26.following bullying on ask.fm called the creator of the site to be
:50:26. > :50:32.charged with manslaughter. We aren't going to focus on these individual
:50:32. > :50:40.cases, but they do Rass an issue. Is a report abuse button enough. David
:50:40. > :50:44.has a question? What is your question. Do you think the people
:50:45. > :50:48.who - sorry - do you think the social networks should be held
:50:48. > :50:53.responsible for the cyberbullying? Let's get a line from each of the
:50:53. > :50:58.panel. Aileen? Should they be responsible? I think they could do
:50:58. > :51:01.more. The fact that it took a long time to get Twitter to react and for
:51:01. > :51:05.ask.fm to respond. They need to take their responsibilities very
:51:05. > :51:11.seriously indeed. The issues that you raised were just awful, awful
:51:11. > :51:15.things to happen. The young girl who took her own life, but the abuse
:51:15. > :51:21.that those two women got for campaigning to have a woman on a
:51:21. > :51:26.banknote. My goodness! What they did was a great thing. The things that
:51:26. > :51:30.they had on their Twitter feeds was disgusting. We should do more to
:51:30. > :51:35.protect users. Ranj? I don't think they are going to have complete
:51:35. > :51:38.responsibility. They do need to take their fair share. It is more about
:51:38. > :51:42.educating and empowering people that are users to be able to say no to be
:51:42. > :51:46.able to block, to know where to go for help, to know what to do when
:51:46. > :51:50.things go wrong. That is far more important and give them the
:51:50. > :51:54.facilities to be able to do that than just policing every tweet or
:51:54. > :52:01.Facebook profile or status update. Jane? It is cheaper for news
:52:01. > :52:06.programmes to run reams of stuff from Twitter than it is to pay
:52:06. > :52:15.journalists. Then it makes these people on Twitter look like they
:52:15. > :52:21.matter. Who was commenting on the Guardian's section - Jonathan King.
:52:21. > :52:26.It is daft. OK. Ruth? Twitter has a responsibility. It gives people a
:52:26. > :52:29.platform to say what ever they like. When they say things which are
:52:29. > :52:34.threatening rape and murder, stuff that is a crime, then it has a
:52:34. > :52:38.responsibility to take that platform away from those people. Yes, it
:52:38. > :52:42.should have a button that you press to report individual cases of abuse,
:52:42. > :52:44.a single tweet button. That is a good advance. It needs to have the
:52:45. > :52:50.people that are monitoring those reports coming in so they can pull
:52:50. > :52:54.them much quicker than they were. We need to look at identifying who
:52:54. > :52:57.these people are. When you become a Twitter user, you don't necessarily
:52:58. > :53:04.tell Twitter who you are. Maybe that is something we have to look at.
:53:04. > :53:08.Sure. Yes, this gentleman here? think just reporting and blocking
:53:08. > :53:12.somebody isn't going to change it. That will just pass it on to
:53:12. > :53:14.somebody else. Should it not go further? That is stopping that one
:53:14. > :53:17.person being affected but they will move on to somebody else. That
:53:17. > :53:25.should go further than just blocking that one person? Blocking is not
:53:25. > :53:28.enough. The gentleman here? I read a good quote online that said the
:53:28. > :53:32.internet sees censorship. I'm interested to think what the panel
:53:32. > :53:38.would think in terms of regulation, how would you stop these things from
:53:38. > :53:42.happening? How would you stop this stuff from happening, Ranj? What I
:53:42. > :53:46.think - take away people's anonymity and make them own up and be
:53:46. > :53:50.responsible for their tweets and for the stuff they put on there. The
:53:50. > :53:54.internet is full of junk. You are not going to get rid of all of it.
:53:54. > :53:59.You can make people responsible for what they write. OK. Yes, you asked
:53:59. > :54:03.the question? You say there should be a report button. There is a
:54:03. > :54:08.report button, but you get blocked for 14 days. Is that enough? There
:54:08. > :54:12.is police out there that could - there is hate crime. Should that not
:54:12. > :54:19.be part of a hate crime? It is really - there is somebody taking
:54:19. > :54:22.their own life, is that not a real risk? The Government wants Scotland
:54:22. > :54:27.to be independent, do you not think that should be a start, like, for
:54:27. > :54:32.people, like, we are going to go down in numbers... There is a lot to
:54:32. > :54:37.talk about. We have to go to Tina and wrap up. Lots of messages coming
:54:37. > :54:43.in. Ryan says, "No, because you can walk away from the screen. It is
:54:43. > :54:46.your own free will to be on the site." Joseph says, "No, I think
:54:46. > :54:51.people using the social networking site should be more responsible on
:54:51. > :54:56.the sites. You can deactivate." And Clayton says, "Your posts, your
:54:56. > :55:01.words, your responsibility." Let's take a final look at the Power Bar.
:55:01. > :55:05.Is there any change? Ranj, you are still in the lead. The final 30
:55:05. > :55:10.seconds goes to the panelist who has had most online love. Ranj, that is
:55:10. > :55:13.you. It is only ten seconds, though. Alright. One thing I will say is as
:55:13. > :55:17.a young person, don't be scared to come forward for help. There are
:55:17. > :55:21.lots of people that are out there specifically rooting for you, trying
:55:21. > :55:26.to listen to you. Make sure you have a voice and we will listen. APPLAUSE
:55:26. > :55:29.Very positive message. Thank you. That is almost it. Thanks to our
:55:29. > :55:34.audience, our panel and to you at home. The debate continues online.
:55:34. > :55:40.Join us next time live on September 4th in London. Let's return to our
:55:40. > :55:50.main theme and the Edinburgh Fringe. We will leave you with the Strung Up
:55:50. > :55:53.
:55:53. > :56:00.Theatre Company and an extract from see the drawn look in your eyes.
:56:00. > :56:04.Like someone has gouged out my insides. I feel full, like I've been
:56:04. > :56:12.stuffed to burst. I see the dead weight that holds you... Sand is
:56:12. > :56:19.filling up my insides. There is a pain in me... Each tiny grain...I
:56:19. > :56:26.see the veneer crack... Up-and-up to my shoulders, more and more...
:56:26. > :56:30.something surfaced... Up...And I know it... Pouring out of my mouth,
:56:30. > :56:36.up-and-up, filling up my brain so I can't think. I see you