:00:09. > :00:14.Hello, we are back for a new series of Free Speech. The show which makes
:00:15. > :00:30.your voice heard in the national conversation. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.
:00:31. > :00:36.Welcome to Free Speech. Tonight we are live from outside Birmingham
:00:37. > :00:43.central mosque. They are all here to tell us what they think and we want
:00:44. > :00:46.to hear what you think. We want to hear your voice at home in this
:00:47. > :00:50.show. Here are the addresses you need. Your answers and your comments
:00:51. > :00:59.will come straight to me. I will make sure they're heard. And we are
:01:00. > :01:03.running the power bar. This time we will focus on the question at the
:01:04. > :01:06.heart of each debate. Use the hashtag Free Speech yes or Free
:01:07. > :01:13.Speech no to let us know what you think. Here is your panel. Heydon
:01:14. > :01:39.Prowse, Shazia Awan, Mehdi Hasan, Baroness Susan Kramer. That is your
:01:40. > :01:47.panel. Right, our first debate is about an issue that is very close to
:01:48. > :01:53.home. What is occurring. BBC Three is going off air. Today, BBC has got
:01:54. > :01:56.whiter, older and more middle class, because it is the BBC Three audience
:01:57. > :02:11.that is the most diverse of all their channels. It is a mass yir
:02:12. > :02:18.shame for the BBC. -- massive shame for the BBC. BBC Three plays a vital
:02:19. > :02:30.role. It does risky and different things and there is nowhere else on
:02:31. > :02:34.the BBC that we can do that. If you're to choose between BBC Three
:02:35. > :02:44.and BBC Four, that is where the audience is going. It is moving
:02:45. > :02:48.online on to iPlayer. It is the beginning of a challenge to BBC
:02:49. > :02:51.Three to say now move what you do so well into the environment which
:02:52. > :02:54.younger audiences are living in. An environment where things are on
:02:55. > :03:04.demand and people are wanting things when they want it. Wherever they
:03:05. > :03:13.happen to be. That is the challenge. The BBC Three petition has 200,000
:03:14. > :03:17.signatures. All week you have been clicking like on the questions you
:03:18. > :03:30.want to see on the show. Here is our leader board with the top questions.
:03:31. > :03:43.We have the BBC's director of television Danny Cohen joining us
:03:44. > :03:55.live. First Heydon. Is it right to move BBC three off television
:03:56. > :03:59.screens. No. Why not? I would say that when this was first pitched us
:04:00. > :04:03.to it was pitched as a cost cutting exercise, but that hasn't been the
:04:04. > :04:07.case. It is only ?15 million that is being saved, which is a drop in the
:04:08. > :04:11.ocean when it comes to the BBC. The red button costs ?15 million.
:04:12. > :04:14.Executive pay is ?20 million. We are spending 30 million on Formula One.
:04:15. > :04:22.So there are plenty of things we could be saving. Cutting the one
:04:23. > :04:30.youth channel isn't the answer. You're nodding Paris. Do you agree.
:04:31. > :04:36.I do and I don't. Make your mind up! It is a valid point. We should put
:04:37. > :04:42.the fat cats' pay at the top. The suits and the rich older white guys
:04:43. > :04:45.are shafting young people again. But another part of me thinks television
:04:46. > :04:48.is becoming irrelevant to young people and this is a PR disaster,
:04:49. > :04:51.because everyone is watching net flicks and YouTube, if they had spun
:04:52. > :05:04.it differently and said it is online, people would be responding
:05:05. > :05:07.differently to this debate. What do you think about that Heydon? It is
:05:08. > :05:15.only 4% of the entire BBC Three audience watching op iPlayer. It is
:05:16. > :05:23.a fraction. It is important to have a youth channel. You look at the
:05:24. > :05:27.level of British talent at the Oscars, who is the next generation
:05:28. > :05:36.to be creating the new Mighty Boosh or the new Gavin and Staceys? It is
:05:37. > :05:48.sidelined back online. When we first started, it was such an effort to
:05:49. > :05:51.get the thing on TV. Everyone turned us away, including Channel 4, which
:05:52. > :05:55.is considered the alternative Channel. Getting it on devolution
:05:56. > :05:58.where people do consume their content was a major achievement.
:05:59. > :06:01.Side lining it again it saying to young people, we won't believe in
:06:02. > :06:05.you, you won't train you to be the best and encouraging people to be
:06:06. > :06:11.the best they can and going into industries like Hollywood and
:06:12. > :06:14.representing Britain. But if they won't be watching television, we
:06:15. > :06:18.know in London the biggest group of people that the BBC is not meeting
:06:19. > :06:26.is young urban professionals. It all has to change. I would rather see...
:06:27. > :06:31.Radio for the older people go. But some thing has to give. The older
:06:32. > :06:35.people are very well served with BBC1 and two and BBC Four and it
:06:36. > :06:43.wouldn't be a massive sacrifice to subsume BBC Four into BBC Two. It
:06:44. > :06:53.could be part of BBC Two and everyone would be catered for. What
:06:54. > :06:55.do you want to say? I think that the, although the BBC Three do show
:06:56. > :07:07.youth programmes, the videos we watch, they're saying that the youth
:07:08. > :07:10.have moved to online. But that defeats the point of youth having a
:07:11. > :07:14.very powerful message and if we are saying, yeah it will be online, what
:07:15. > :07:18.about everyone else that the youth can influence? They're watching TV.
:07:19. > :07:21.If we have taken from it TV, it is automatically taking it from
:07:22. > :07:26.everyone else. We want a show that youth do have valid points and we
:07:27. > :07:35.are the next generation. So... It needs to be on TV. So the point is
:07:36. > :07:40.the youth voice will get marginalised by this moving? I think
:07:41. > :07:46.it will be. I wish I was a youth voice still. I'm not an exact target
:07:47. > :07:52.figure. But I don't buy the money idea. You're about to talk to Danny
:07:53. > :07:59.Cohen. It will save ?15 million. The BBC has to save ?700 million.
:08:00. > :08:02.Compared to ?200 million they spent on moving to Salford and 150 million
:08:03. > :08:08.wasted on a digital media initiative that was scrapped. They spend
:08:09. > :08:11.millions on payouts for executives who are leaving and the Government
:08:12. > :08:21.that Susan is part of froze the licence fee, saying we have to make
:08:22. > :08:23.savings. The same Government that cut the top rate of tax on
:08:24. > :08:36.millionaires, scrapped the banker's tax and gave subsidies to energy and
:08:37. > :08:40.rail companies. Susan? You pointed out that the BBC has an enormous
:08:41. > :08:49.amount of waste. You gave some huge examples of wasted money. So me the
:08:50. > :08:59.question is should we be campaigning to get BBC Three on television? I'm
:09:00. > :09:02.worried about it coming off. But I am an old person and I watch
:09:03. > :09:06.typically old television. I have got two questions - that is if it goes
:09:07. > :09:09.on online would you still watch it? And the second question is, should
:09:10. > :09:13.it be on the other channels so that old people like me have to see the
:09:14. > :09:19.programmes that you want to see made, so that we are not in a sense
:09:20. > :09:27.cut off from what is happening? That is the problem. I'm not saying
:09:28. > :09:31.you're ignorant. Just because it is directed at youth doesn't mean you
:09:32. > :09:39.cannot learn from it. But should it be on BBC1 so I can see it? Of
:09:40. > :09:45.course, but are we getting that? I want to bring in Danny Cohen. You're
:09:46. > :09:51.listening to this and heard Mehdi say the argument Ake saving --
:09:52. > :10:00.saving money is ludicrous. Is it? Danny? I would like to correct. Can
:10:01. > :10:04.you hear me? Yes. Just on the finances, we are not saving ?15
:10:05. > :10:12.million by doing this. We are saving 50 million a year. So there is a big
:10:13. > :10:15.saving. In terms of where we put our programmes, we are going to repeat
:10:16. > :10:28.all the BBC Three online content on BBC one and two and so it will get a
:10:29. > :10:32.showing and reach more people. We have to save money. We don't have a
:10:33. > :10:35.choice but to do that. This is, we think the most effective way to do
:10:36. > :10:40.it. You say you're saying 50 million, but 30 million has been put
:10:41. > :10:51.into BBC drama hasn't it? Your right to say we want to reinvest in
:10:52. > :10:54.different places. We want to make sure that shows like Sherlock and
:10:55. > :10:56.Doctor Who and the musketeers have the budgets they need. Those
:10:57. > :10:59.programmes are very popular with young people. Along with The
:11:00. > :11:02.Apprentice and The Voice. We have to protect those budgets and maintain
:11:03. > :11:07.those budgets and we can't do everything. We are at a point in the
:11:08. > :11:11.BBC's history, where we can't stretch the elastic further and we
:11:12. > :11:17.have got to make some big choices. OK. Would you agree with this?
:11:18. > :11:26.Shazia? I think cost savings have to be made. But that is because the BBC
:11:27. > :11:30.has been run badly. If we look back over the years, the BBC tried to
:11:31. > :11:33.close 6 Music and people campaigned and the BBC tried to close the Asian
:11:34. > :11:41.network and 180,000 Facebook signatures. So I feel the BBC, the
:11:42. > :11:43.chaps at the top, the Director General and Danny, they're not
:11:44. > :11:51.really thinking these things through. It just seems they
:11:52. > :11:55.backtrack on decisions and what might have been a better idea would
:11:56. > :11:58.have been to say, look, we are thinking about closing BBC Three and
:11:59. > :12:06.put to it the young people that watch it. Young people struggle to
:12:07. > :12:10.have a voice in this democratic process. Why weren't they asked,
:12:11. > :12:31.rather than being dictated to, we are closing it, that is it? We have
:12:32. > :12:34.had cuts to careers advice. Everything seems to be, oh, young
:12:35. > :12:37.people don't matter. Why should we be cut, shouldn't it be out of
:12:38. > :12:43.something else, we should have the voice? Without BBC Three and Free
:12:44. > :12:48.Speech we wouldn't have a voice. APPLAUSE What is your come back to
:12:49. > :12:52.that? So, the first thing to say is, BBC Three is not closing, we are
:12:53. > :12:56.moving it online. It's not the same thing. We are going to show all
:12:57. > :13:00.these programmes online where more and more young people are watching
:13:01. > :13:04.them. We will repeat them on BBC One and BBC Two. I think the other thing
:13:05. > :13:07.worth saying is, in the 90s the BBC had a lot of criticism for investing
:13:08. > :13:11.in news online and online generally. Money was taken out of content to
:13:12. > :13:19.start these new services. Thank God that was done at the time.
:13:20. > :13:22.Similarly, 10 or 15 years ago we put money into the i player to get the
:13:23. > :13:26.iPlayer going. People were critical of the BBC for taking money out of
:13:27. > :13:29.existing things and investing in the future. That is what we are trying
:13:30. > :13:40.to do again, it's difficult and painful. I used to run BBC Three, I
:13:41. > :13:43.launch shows from Being Human, Blood Sweat and T-shirts, many others. I
:13:44. > :13:47.have to make decisions in the end that benefit the whole of the BBC. I
:13:48. > :13:50.believe we can still keep delivering for young people and keep BBC One
:13:51. > :13:54.and BBC Two strong. Do you think this has come early though? You were
:13:55. > :13:58.quoted as saying, if you were given an entirely free hand you would have
:13:59. > :14:04.done it in four or five years time, this is much riskier? Yes, I do. If
:14:05. > :14:08.I had a free hand we would have made this decision in three or four
:14:09. > :14:13.years' time. We haven't got enough money to do everything. We haven't
:14:14. > :14:17.got enough money to keep those big shows going and keep BBC Three going
:14:18. > :14:21.in its current form. We had to be realistic about that. We know this
:14:22. > :14:25.is a gamble. We know this is tricky. I continue to be very committed to
:14:26. > :14:29.these audiences in the way I was when I ran BBC Three. I used to run
:14:30. > :14:33.E4 and commissioned The Betweeners and Skins there, I'm committed to
:14:34. > :14:37.these audiences. I had to make changes. The BBC had to make
:14:38. > :14:41.changes. We haven't got enough money to do everything. We want to protect
:14:42. > :14:50.the budget and not make budget cuts across the board at the BBC. Does
:14:51. > :14:54.that seem fair to you? No. No. Currently there is 300,000 children
:14:55. > :14:57.in the UK that have access to online facilities in their home. How are
:14:58. > :15:00.these people going to get a voice when they don't actually have access
:15:01. > :15:05.to actually the channel where they can actually enable them to have a
:15:06. > :15:10.voice? Good point. Gentleman at the back, here in the glasses. I agree
:15:11. > :15:14.that people don't have the internet to get online. If young people think
:15:15. > :15:17.BBC Three is the only way they can have a voice the Government need to
:15:18. > :15:28.do more to empower young people to get up and make their voice heard.
:15:29. > :15:31.MAybe. Danny and the other BBC bosses are doing something that is
:15:32. > :15:35.self defeating. If young people here think, the one channel we have got
:15:36. > :15:37.is being cut away to save money, they will be less interested in
:15:38. > :15:41.supporting the BBC and less interested in supporting the license
:15:42. > :15:49.fee. They are losing a BBC audience here by getting rid of this channel.
:15:50. > :15:52.It's self-defeating in the long run. Danny said that all the original
:15:53. > :15:58.programmes would go on BBC One and BBC Two. Lots of tweets about Family
:15:59. > :16:10.Guy. The BBC confirmed it's unable to put Family Guy on iPlayer. When
:16:11. > :16:13.BBC goes they won't be showing it. They have not thought it through,
:16:14. > :16:16.have they? The TV Licence, isn't it about time BBC scrapped the TV
:16:17. > :16:22.Licence, opt-in, not forced in. What is your response to that, Susan? I
:16:23. > :16:26.value the BBC. I don't think you would have it, or anything close to
:16:27. > :16:30.it, if we didn't have the licence fee. I would be happy to pay more on
:16:31. > :16:33.the licence fee, I can afford it. The question is, can a lot of other
:16:34. > :16:36.people, the answer is, at the moment it's difficult to pay more. We have
:16:37. > :16:50.to recognise that. I recognise choices. I say to people, if you
:16:51. > :16:54.want to keep BBC Three, campaign for it. Be really honest. If you
:16:55. > :16:57.actually look at it and think - I would really use it online, then be
:16:58. > :17:01.honest about that. If you think it would be really important to get it
:17:02. > :17:06.on BBC One and BBC Two, then pressure them to make sure it goes
:17:07. > :17:10.on BBC One and BBC Two. But let's not just protect it for the sake of
:17:11. > :17:13.it. But if it is crucial, to keep the talent coming. To keep young
:17:14. > :17:16.people engaged, it has an extraordinary value and that is
:17:17. > :17:20.worth fighting for. Yes. I think, at the end of the day, if you are going
:17:21. > :17:25.to have BBC Three it's the only channel that we have that Family Guy
:17:26. > :17:28.and all of that. If it is put on BBC One and BBC Two, we won't have all
:17:29. > :17:33.the channels as the older generation will want to watch it. That is the
:17:34. > :17:38.only channel we want to watch. If we are the future generation we have to
:17:39. > :17:47.have a say on what is going on on the television. You said it's your
:17:48. > :17:51.choice to watch it online. A lot of students don't have that choice. A
:17:52. > :17:54.lot of children within schools don't have that choice. For them to go
:17:55. > :17:57.home, watch programmes that allows them to engage in debate and issue
:17:58. > :18:00.means they are not excluded from the classroom than they already are. BBC
:18:01. > :18:12.Three needs to stay for those children alone. This gentleman here.
:18:13. > :18:19.Hi. Don't say hello to the microphone, it's embarrassing! Why
:18:20. > :18:26.aren't we axing BBC Four. I've never watched BBC Four in my life! Danny
:18:27. > :18:36.still there, can we ask him that question? Yeah, hi, Rick. On that
:18:37. > :18:39.point about online. What we are saying is, because we are repeating
:18:40. > :18:45.the shows on BBC One and BBC Two, if you can't get online you will see
:18:46. > :18:51.these shows anyway. There is no reason why people won't be able to
:18:52. > :18:55.see the content they are seeing now. What about the subsequent question,
:18:56. > :19:01.why not axe BBC Four? Was that ever on the table? Well, we looked at all
:19:02. > :19:04.of the options and we think that BBC Three is the right thing to do
:19:05. > :19:08.because young people are more comfortable online, more online than
:19:09. > :19:13.older people. We think it's the right thing to start with. If the
:19:14. > :19:19.BBC does suffer further cuts we will have to look at BBC Four in the same
:19:20. > :19:23.way. Can I pick up on that. Even as a middle age white male I can't see
:19:24. > :19:29.the distinction between BBC Two and BBC Four, why axe BBC Three? The
:19:30. > :19:39.question we ran for the powerbar, at the bottom of the screen, people
:19:40. > :19:43.have been tweeting in. We asked, is it right to move BBC Three off
:19:44. > :19:52.television screens? 9% of you say yes, 91% of you say no. There you
:19:53. > :20:04.go. Fairly conclusive. Going back to the license fee. You look at all the
:20:05. > :20:07.best show that are made, not just in my opinion what is best, what people
:20:08. > :20:09.generally love, shows like Doctor Who, Sherlock, the best programmes
:20:10. > :20:13.are generally BBC made. It makes sense to pay the licence veto get
:20:14. > :20:18.better content out of it. The lady here. I think it should go off air.
:20:19. > :20:21.If it is to be moved to BBC One and Two why keep the channel anyway. The
:20:22. > :20:27.point about the TV Licence, I pay the Licence I don't want the BBC
:20:28. > :20:32.shows - You are getting mugged off! It should be an option to pay it not
:20:33. > :20:37.to be forced to pay it. That is what I think anyway. How would you
:20:38. > :20:41.counter that? If the biggest shows on BBC Three will be put on BBC One
:20:42. > :20:45.and BBC Two, what is the problem? Full disclose sure in terms of cost
:20:46. > :20:50.savings, BBC bought me a first-class ticket down here. That should be the
:20:51. > :20:57.first to go! I didn't get one! Did you not? No! I had to put it on the
:20:58. > :21:01.table I was feeling guilty. You will walk home, it's OK. I don't think
:21:02. > :21:06.that's being totally honest with the people here. I think in reality what
:21:07. > :21:09.is going to happen is there will be less programming on BBC Three. A lot
:21:10. > :21:13.like Danny is saying, that money won't really be a cost-saving that
:21:14. > :21:18.go into drama on BBC One which is well served. We are kind of being a
:21:19. > :21:21.bit, sort of, you know, poetic with the truth here if we say that all
:21:22. > :21:28.the content that BBC Three is giving us will remain on BBC One and Two,
:21:29. > :21:32.it's not. There a slight element, I'm worried about this - Can I
:21:33. > :21:39.answer on that People like you and me trying to preserve their own
:21:40. > :21:42.jobs? It isn't about my job. I have a third series of my show
:21:43. > :21:45.commissioned, which will go into next year. I will be all right,
:21:46. > :21:48.frankly. It's about the new generation and people out there a
:21:49. > :22:02.that I know who I'm working with right now. It's that generation that
:22:03. > :22:05.will get done over. OK. Danny, do you want to have one final word. We
:22:06. > :22:09.saw from our powerbar that 91% think BBC Three should not go off air. I
:22:10. > :22:16.know it's a difficult decision, I understand that. I found it quite
:22:17. > :22:20.painful in many ways. Being online will help with our invasion. We are
:22:21. > :22:26.committed to showing the content on BBC One and BBC Two. We will do with
:22:27. > :22:30.that with great passion as we have done with BBC Three on years. We
:22:31. > :22:41.will do it online digitally and continue to make great shows like
:22:42. > :22:46.Sherlock, Doctor Who and The Voice. Thank you very much. We will move on
:22:47. > :22:51.to our next question. It will come from Stephen Williams. Where is
:22:52. > :22:57.Stephen? What do you want to ask? Our Government policies to tackle
:22:58. > :23:04.youth unemployment working? Are they? No. Youth unemployment is
:23:05. > :23:08.falling, which is a good thing. It's back to where it was in 2011. We
:23:09. > :23:12.still have nearly a million young people out of work. The number of
:23:13. > :23:16.young people who are long-term unemployed, who who have been on job
:23:17. > :23:31.ker's allowance for more than a year has doubled under this government.
:23:32. > :23:35.We are creating a lost generation in front of our eyes. It's a scandal.
:23:36. > :23:38.Young people are more likely to be unemployed for longer in their life.
:23:39. > :23:44.It costs the exchequer, it costs the country ?300 million to ?400
:23:45. > :23:48.million, long-term unemployment. No, I think it's a scanned Town Hall
:23:49. > :23:52.that one in five young people are out of work and it hasn't shifted at
:23:53. > :24:03.all in the last four years of this government. Paris, is it a question
:24:04. > :24:06.of throwing money at the problem? Yeah, I graduated four years ago and
:24:07. > :24:10.I still don't have a full-time job. My mum has been looking for work.
:24:11. > :24:13.She has years in the work industry. And, it's all right these Tories and
:24:14. > :24:15.Lib Dems taking everyone off benefits and making people move into
:24:16. > :24:20.smaller houses and taking everything away from everyone. You can't tell
:24:21. > :24:23.people to get a job if there aren't jobs to go to. Even people with
:24:24. > :24:31.educations and experience can't find work. This is why I like what Labour
:24:32. > :24:35.will do now, or they say they will do, if you have been out of work for
:24:36. > :24:39.more than a year, you are aged between 16-24 they will put you in
:24:40. > :24:42.work for a year and something to do for six months. They are the only
:24:43. > :24:46.party that are saying, we will give you some jobs. They have my vote for
:24:47. > :24:49.the next election. Labour don't have a clue about how to run their own
:24:50. > :24:53.party let alone run a business. How will Labour give jobs, this is the
:24:54. > :24:58.thing? When Ed Miliband announced these plans for the Labour, you know
:24:59. > :25:01.- exactly. Basically, he couldn't name one company, one private
:25:02. > :25:07.company that would actually subscribe to that scheme. This is
:25:08. > :25:14.it. Labour are saying the scheme would be people 16-24. You have to,
:25:15. > :25:17.you know, absolutely mandatory for young if you have been unemployed
:25:18. > :25:21.for a year. If you don't take any old job, effectively you are are
:25:22. > :25:24.benefits will be cut there will be other penalties. How is that fair on
:25:25. > :25:28.the 16-24 age group who you are forcing young people into grobs jobs
:25:29. > :25:33.they may not want or the talent for, it's not fair on employers either.
:25:34. > :25:43.The answer is to encourage more entrepreneurship. That is the
:25:44. > :25:47.answer. The way Labour are looking to fund their scheme as well is by
:25:48. > :25:50.of course we will give a big cheer to cutting bankers' bonuses and
:25:51. > :25:58.taking it from that, they are being looking then to, you know, cut tax
:25:59. > :26:06.relief on pensions as well. So effectively - On people who earn
:26:07. > :26:10.more than ?150,000 a year! 1% of the population. It's about we are all in
:26:11. > :26:25.this together, remember, wasn't that your party's slogan! 1%. We have
:26:26. > :26:28.people - We have people sitting here watching this programme that are
:26:29. > :26:31.hungry they haven't enough money to feed themselves and their families.
:26:32. > :26:34.The people who have the power who run this country don't want to pay
:26:35. > :26:37.people a living wage they send things to factories abroad where
:26:38. > :26:40.they pay people 50p a day. Encouraging entrepreneurs will have
:26:41. > :26:48.a trickle down effect, I just don't buy it. We have a problem with your
:26:49. > :26:54.microphone. I will get you to pipe down. Sorry. (inaudible) I'm sorry,
:26:55. > :26:58.we have a lot of microphone problems this evening. I would get rid of
:26:59. > :27:09.this show! Say that again, just from the start. One of them is education
:27:10. > :27:24.system in the country. That starts from teaching more life skills
:27:25. > :27:26.within our education system. That starts with teacher communication
:27:27. > :27:31.skills, developing young people skills that need to maintain a job.
:27:32. > :27:42.Again, I agree with you, pushing employment entrepreneurship. The
:27:43. > :27:44.trouble is the reason we have such like strong support for pensioners
:27:45. > :27:49.is because old people vote, young people are not voting. So there is
:27:50. > :27:54.no pressure. Young people need to take responsibility and start voting
:27:55. > :28:00.and make their voice heard. I will do this whole row. We have got this
:28:01. > :28:03.government, they're pushing young people from pillar to post.
:28:04. > :28:06.Specially if they're unemployed, trying to sanction them for not
:28:07. > :28:13.going to the job centre, because you have an interview for a job. There
:28:14. > :28:20.is two and a half million people unemploye But there is only half a
:28:21. > :28:24.million vacancies. What I say to Shazia, I am not an expert but there
:28:25. > :28:35.are ?750 billion in the reserves of British companies and money
:28:36. > :28:46.uncollected in tax. Why don't we use some of that wealth of the 1%?
:28:47. > :28:49.Susan? I was going to say if you're out of work, no one is not doing
:28:50. > :28:55.enough from the perspective you have got. We are trying to turn around a
:28:56. > :28:58.deep problem. We had a recession. Companies don't invest when there
:28:59. > :29:06.has been a recession and we have been trying to get the recovery
:29:07. > :29:09.going. That is starting to build. If you're a young person, there has
:29:10. > :29:13.been a problem over youth unemployment that goes back a long
:29:14. > :29:15.timement a lot of it is people having the wrong skills, somebody
:29:16. > :29:22.used the word education, that is right. Under the last government,
:29:23. > :29:34.apprentices were a rude word. Now we have more. Work experience didn't
:29:35. > :29:36.have a programme. There are 100,000 in work experience. I say about
:29:37. > :29:42.Labour's programme. It is identical to one they had and it didn't work.
:29:43. > :29:48.It ended up putting youngsters into the public sector. No better than
:29:49. > :29:52.work experience and put them into the public sector and for lasting
:29:53. > :29:58.jobs you need to be in the private sector. So you have got a genuine
:29:59. > :30:03.future. So those changes will get us there. But it is a serious problem
:30:04. > :30:07.and I don't agree it is one people are not taking notice of. It worries
:30:08. > :30:14.people and we have to do more, but it must be effective. This one,
:30:15. > :30:22.there are millions out of work because of zero hour contracts. That
:30:23. > :30:25.is what most companies offer. And this one saying, from Tony, youth
:30:26. > :30:42.unemployment due to uncontrolled EU immigration. Mehdi? A couple of
:30:43. > :30:45.points. In 2010 your Government got rid of the future jobs fund. Which
:30:46. > :30:48.was not a successful programme. You say it wasn't successful. The
:30:49. > :30:58.department of work and pensions own research said it was. You talk about
:30:59. > :31:01.education... Tell the economists in your government department and
:31:02. > :31:04.listen on the issue of education, I am with you on education. Your
:31:05. > :31:16.government scrapped the Education Maintenance Allowance and tripled
:31:17. > :31:29.tuition tuition fees. EU migration is to blame? No in areas with high
:31:30. > :31:32.migration, it has gone up more where there is no migration. Can I say we
:31:33. > :31:37.need to shoulder some responsibility ourselves. Because it was 16 to
:31:38. > :31:41.30-year-olds as many people didn't vote as voted Tory in the last
:31:42. > :31:44.election. You need to go out and vote and then people will listen to
:31:45. > :31:48.you. They are scared about people not voting. If they think you're
:31:49. > :31:55.going to vote, they will listen to you. You have a power and we are not
:31:56. > :32:00.using it. Yes the lady in the yellow. How can you say that youth
:32:01. > :32:05.unemployment is because it is being helped by the Tory and Liberal
:32:06. > :32:08.Democrat government when it is not. You're cutting education and things
:32:09. > :32:11.that will help people grow and Labour are making empty promises by
:32:12. > :32:17.forcing them into things that won't work. You have more people at
:32:18. > :32:24.university, more... They can't find jobs though. But you're saying
:32:25. > :32:29.you're cutting education. I say we are not. We have the pupil premium
:32:30. > :32:36.to help kids from disadvantaged backgrounds. What good is it if
:32:37. > :32:39.there is no jobs. You have to grow the economy and you had a Government
:32:40. > :32:50.undermining the economy and so it crashed, you have to willed it --
:32:51. > :32:53.build it back up. That is tough. We are talking about the economy. How
:32:54. > :33:01.do we build the economy? You build the economy... One thing. It is not
:33:02. > :33:05.real. OK, everyone settle down. Heydon. The housing bubble isn't an
:33:06. > :33:08.economic recovery and creating another huge housing bubble which
:33:09. > :33:16.will probably burst after the next election isn't a recovery and maybe
:33:17. > :33:19.the Tories don't care about that. The people who are in work and
:33:20. > :33:23.seeing improvements in their wages, this is a genuine recovery. Why are
:33:24. > :33:30.so many young people out of work? There is a real issue and I face up
:33:31. > :33:33.to that. It is one we have to crack. Because older people have been
:33:34. > :33:37.hanging on to their jobs. It is a question of why aren't people hiring
:33:38. > :33:43.younger people. A big part is skills-based. But you know it is
:33:44. > :33:51.maths, I mean every firm I talk to is dying for engineers and people
:33:52. > :33:54.who have done a bit of science. You could go out and go to small
:33:55. > :33:59.businesses all over the country and find those jobs empty today. You can
:34:00. > :34:03.go to people who design video games, all the way down, they have got
:34:04. > :34:09.empty jobs. We do have to make sure that people have a chance to get
:34:10. > :34:12.those jobs. You go outside of London and people don't feel there is any
:34:13. > :34:17.economic recovery. I can find those people in Birmingham. It benefits
:34:18. > :34:24.wealthy middle aged white people, just like the cuts to BBC Three.
:34:25. > :34:28.You're in Birmingham. It is a chance, go out and meet some of the
:34:29. > :34:31.businesses and they will tell you what they are look for. Which are
:34:32. > :34:35.those skills. We have got to make sure that young people have the
:34:36. > :34:39.skills to get the jobs. Are you saying the jobs are there but people
:34:40. > :34:50.are not educated enough? The key problem is. I'm the only one who
:34:51. > :34:57.does haven't a political drum to bash. I'm an ex-Tory candidate. So
:34:58. > :34:59.you do have a drum. The problem is there are people in government,
:35:00. > :35:07.Liberal Democrats, Tories, you know Labour, that have no idea about how
:35:08. > :35:10.to run a business. If they have no idea how to run a business and make
:35:11. > :35:14.cost savings, how are they in government? We need more people that
:35:15. > :35:16.understand business, more people that understand entrepreneurship and
:35:17. > :35:20.in government and the reason why people like me are taking a back
:35:21. > :35:28.seat with politics, Mehdi asked me, will you stand in the election. I
:35:29. > :35:33.said no, I'm not, because I can do more in business. This is the
:35:34. > :35:36.problem. You have people in politics that really don't understand about
:35:37. > :35:46.job creation, because all they have ever been is career politicians. We
:35:47. > :35:51.need much less of that. We are going to move on. This is one that has
:35:52. > :35:56.caused the most comments on the audience questions pain. -- page. It
:35:57. > :36:03.comes from Britain's first gay Muslim drag queen. I talk about
:36:04. > :36:09.issues of being Muslim gay and British in today's society. These
:36:10. > :36:14.labels you know, they shouldn't fit well together. But here I am and I
:36:15. > :36:18.refuse to give one up over the other. I kept it to myself for
:36:19. > :36:23.years, because I was afraid of what the community would say and what my
:36:24. > :36:28.parents would say. I came out to my parents in my 20s. My mum came into
:36:29. > :36:47.my room and questioned me about my sexuality. I said this in Urdu,
:36:48. > :36:50.which is my mother tongue, I'm gay. There was an occasion where my mum
:36:51. > :36:53.asked whether I needed to see a doctor. I said it isn't something I
:36:54. > :36:57.can take a medicine for. I introduced my partner adds this is
:36:58. > :37:00.the person I want to marry. Although I entered into a civil partnership,
:37:01. > :37:03.they saw it equal as a marriage and my mum ended up attending the
:37:04. > :37:10.ceremony and giving me away and giving us... Her blessing. It sounds
:37:11. > :37:15.a cliche, but it was the best moment of my life. The character has
:37:16. > :37:20.allowed me to reach out to many people that I wouldn't be able to.
:37:21. > :37:25.My mum and my aunties and my sisters came to see one of my shows. The gay
:37:26. > :37:29.community were just inspired and in awe that a Muslim woman, dressed had
:37:30. > :37:39.come into a gay space and was watching cabaret drag. One question
:37:40. > :37:46.I would like the ask the Muslim community, when will bit right to be
:37:47. > :37:49.Muslim and gay? We were going to debate that question but after
:37:50. > :37:55.speaking to the mosque they have exprenssed concerns with having this
:37:56. > :37:59.discussion here. The mosque were happy for us to play the video and
:38:00. > :38:07.we will talk about it on our next programme. Now our next question. I
:38:08. > :38:14.wanted to say do you think today's youth are too disengaged within
:38:15. > :38:18.society. I wanted to mention what Paris mentioned, there is a onus on
:38:19. > :38:21.young people to do something, but it is scary that we are in a generation
:38:22. > :38:29.where someone can recite every lyric to a Drake song, but can't tell you
:38:30. > :38:40.who their local councillor is. The question is why are the youth of
:38:41. > :38:46.today disaffected. Paris? You mentioned it before, why is it? Come
:38:47. > :38:50.on, we all know. We know who is running the show. It is not poor
:38:51. > :38:54.black women. It is rich, white men from middle class back grounds and
:38:55. > :38:56.it is every where and it is a cliche, but it is the media, the
:38:57. > :39:03.newspapers, it is the business owners. You get women business
:39:04. > :39:07.owners and people from other backgrounds. But the people with the
:39:08. > :39:13.power come from a very certain background. And actually look at
:39:14. > :39:18.this room. Look how diverse it is and all these different people. That
:39:19. > :39:21.is not represented in the people that make the decisions. I feel a
:39:22. > :39:24.lot of people feel increasingly put off and it concerned me when
:39:25. > :39:35.everyone was talking about BBC Three, people are so passionate
:39:36. > :39:38.about it not going. Because they say nothing else caters for us. But
:39:39. > :39:41.young people are the future and lot of the big issues, lack of
:39:42. > :39:44.affordable housing, lack of jobs, you know tuition fees and things
:39:45. > :39:54.like that, it affects middle aged white men, but it affects young
:39:55. > :40:02.people. People feel disengaged and we need to do something about it.
:40:03. > :40:08.Susan? What will you do about getting more young people to vote? I
:40:09. > :40:13.tell you I scratch my head on this for ages. Trying to talk to schools
:40:14. > :40:18.and go to colleges understanding coming on here -- coming on here.
:40:19. > :40:22.Please this is your country, these are your lives, it is not that you
:40:23. > :40:25.have to get in there and vote for one of the political parties, but if
:40:26. > :40:37.you think they share your views, participate. But engage, because I
:40:38. > :40:43.think it is absolutely vital for our society. I don't know how somebody
:40:44. > :40:49.like me persuades people like you to actually do it. Because everything
:40:50. > :40:54.that I do is looked at as somebody who is in a position of power. Doing
:40:55. > :40:58.something to people. I don't know how to get you to engage. I don't
:40:59. > :41:04.have the answers. Is that what we want to hear somebody from the
:41:05. > :41:07.Government saying, you don't know? You said there is jobs out there,
:41:08. > :41:12.but people don't have qualifications, I have got a degree
:41:13. > :41:16.and there are no jobs. Listen to people. They know what the issues
:41:17. > :41:28.are. You need to listen to them. That is your job. Susan, one thing,
:41:29. > :41:32.in 2010 young people did get engaged by your party leader and many voted
:41:33. > :41:42.for him and he let them down. I agree with that. Just on a broader
:41:43. > :41:45.point, young people have always been the most idealistic and ambitious,
:41:46. > :41:48.and I think to be honest I don't blame then when they goat bored by
:41:49. > :42:03.-- get bored by our bland politicians. Young people go and
:42:04. > :42:05.campaign. But they are disengaged from the Parliamentary political
:42:06. > :42:08.process, they feel it is not working. You can't just look at
:42:09. > :42:12.government as something that picks up, it is not app idea from down at
:42:13. > :42:15.the pub, you have to be able to implement it. And look at the
:42:16. > :42:18.consequences. We talked about BBC Three earlier, if the answer is you
:42:19. > :42:22.have to increase the licence fee you have to talk to the people that pay
:42:23. > :42:33.it and tell them they're going to pay more. You have got a lot, you
:42:34. > :42:37.have got to rebuild the economy and get businesses to grow. You can't
:42:38. > :42:40.say, walk down and just create some jobs. You have got to get the
:42:41. > :42:44.businesses to have confidence in the economy and to invest and get the
:42:45. > :42:46.match of skills and work through an education system that takes years.
:42:47. > :42:56.It is not instant magic. But young people can get engaged if that. We
:42:57. > :43:01.asked everybody at home what they think and if they think young people
:43:02. > :43:04.are disengaged. The results: Susan says: I wasn't blaming old people, I
:43:05. > :43:07.say what is actually rather interesting is that older people
:43:08. > :43:21.kept their jobs during the recession, which is a good thing.
:43:22. > :43:25.You don't want even more people out of work, is all I can say. One of
:43:26. > :43:28.the things that means there is a difference in the skill base of
:43:29. > :43:32.older people and the skill base of young people. We have to find a way
:43:33. > :43:36.to close some of that for the future. We can't have that huge gap.
:43:37. > :43:41.Experience counts, but the skills that young people can bring are
:43:42. > :43:44.absolutely vital. It's easy to see, this question, Susan went round in
:43:45. > :43:49.circles, you have talked about all kind of things. Why aren't young
:43:50. > :43:55.people voting? Look at how diverse this audience is. The problem is,
:43:56. > :43:59.parliament isn't like that. Young people don't see anyone that they
:44:00. > :44:05.recognise like themselves. APPLAUSE That is the problem. You can skirt
:44:06. > :44:08.around the issue as much as you like. That is the core problem.
:44:09. > :44:11.Until that changes young people won't have a voice and not vote.
:44:12. > :44:15.Look how engaged people are in politics? How much youth, I hope I'm
:44:16. > :44:25.still youth, look how many turned out for the tuition fees protest.
:44:26. > :44:32.Young people care. More people voted in X Factor than in the last
:44:33. > :44:36.election. That is a depressing fact. It's easy to say - young people are
:44:37. > :44:40.let down by the Liberal Democrats, which they were. You have another
:44:41. > :44:43.option, if no-one represents you in parliament, scratch your ballot that
:44:44. > :45:02.is a protest. Why aren't people doing that? What do you do when they
:45:03. > :45:05.shaft you? It's a wasted vote. Gentleman who asked the question
:45:06. > :45:07.earlier. When you talk about engaging young people, you talked
:45:08. > :45:10.about the 2012 elections people were queueing up outside polling
:45:11. > :45:13.stations. What work has been done to reform our voting system and
:45:14. > :45:17.structure so that BBC Three is moving online. We can debate around
:45:18. > :45:20.that, essentially they are I thissing, young people are using
:45:21. > :45:25.online more than they are going out to - watching television. So, with
:45:26. > :45:29.that in mind, to what extent is the voting system thinking - right,
:45:30. > :45:33.let's allow people to vote online? Be more forward thinking. Let's have
:45:34. > :45:39.modern techniques rather than scratching on a piece of paper. Why
:45:40. > :45:45.aren't we pressing buttons in supermarkets when we bought milk, to
:45:46. > :45:49.make it easier and simpler. That is how you engage people. Are those
:45:50. > :45:54.polling stations thinking about young people are. Where are young
:45:55. > :46:06.people and what do they do. We get your point go, go online. The big
:46:07. > :46:09.fear, fraud is easier. There is a real fear of somebody faking it and
:46:10. > :46:13.making sure they can take an election etc, etc. I think you are
:46:14. > :46:16.right. We have to change the way we vote. We have to get more
:46:17. > :46:19.intelligent. Why isn't it on weekends? Why shouldn't it be
:46:20. > :46:27.different hours? There are mechanical things we do. Would
:46:28. > :46:31.people get engaged themselves. You have be to registered to vote. 95%
:46:32. > :46:35.of pensioners are registered compared to 50%. Your Government is
:46:36. > :46:38.changing the rules to make it harder and less likely for people to vote
:46:39. > :46:51.bringing in individual registration rather than household registration.
:46:52. > :46:58.It cuts fraud. The reason they know the lyrics to Drake is they can
:46:59. > :47:11.relate. Who in charge can we re to regarding views? The young feel
:47:12. > :47:14.disengaged because they feel more at home online than using the social
:47:15. > :47:17.media Boot. This education, education, it should be compulsory,
:47:18. > :47:31.a full curriculum not just a basic information. The lady here, please.
:47:32. > :47:34.I run an organisation called Aspire for your social enterprise, I was a
:47:35. > :47:38.beneficiary of the social jobs fund. Six young people we had working with
:47:39. > :47:41.us. All of them are in full-time education or employment. I don't
:47:42. > :47:44.know where you got your facts from, they are incorrect. You are enable
:47:45. > :47:46.to engage with young people. Engage with the organisations that are
:47:47. > :47:53.already working on the ground such as Aspire for You. It's a cop out to
:47:54. > :47:56.say you don't know how to engage when you haven't worked or spoken to
:47:57. > :48:04.the people who are already doing that. There is a lot of engagement,
:48:05. > :48:06.as you know. There is a lot of engagement, as you know, with the
:48:07. > :48:12.charities, with social enterprises with others that work with young
:48:13. > :48:15.people. I'm sure if you want to engage with your local community if
:48:16. > :48:21.it has overlooked you it's incredibly sad. It's not true. I
:48:22. > :48:24.engage with the local community on a day-to-day basis. In the past week I
:48:25. > :48:28.heard two politicians say, we have never heard of social enterprise.
:48:29. > :48:38.You want to engage with young people - That's not true. I know many who
:48:39. > :48:43.have. Such as young people - Can you two swap numbers. They don't
:48:44. > :48:45.understand. You say, go out and vote, young people need to vote.
:48:46. > :48:49.They don't understand how politics work. Go in, get involved, to make
:48:50. > :48:53.policy to stand, to get their platforms out there. It's teaching
:48:54. > :48:55.them how to vote. Who is telling them the difference between Labour
:48:56. > :49:04.and the difference between Conservative? APPLAUSE OK, you two
:49:05. > :49:09.will talk later. We move on to our next and final question from Oliver.
:49:10. > :49:13.Where is Oliver. What do you want to ask? Should the electorate be given
:49:14. > :49:18.the right to decide whether we are in the EU and not be dictated to by
:49:19. > :49:26.the party leaders? So should there be a referendum on the EU? You came
:49:27. > :49:30.to me first. Yeah. No. No I don't think there should be a referendum
:49:31. > :49:32.on the EU. I will tell you why what we have been discussing. We have a
:49:33. > :49:35.youth unemployment crisis, half a million people using food banks in
:49:36. > :49:39.this country. Recovering from the worst financial crash in 100 years
:49:40. > :49:42.in country. The idea that the next Government should be debating
:49:43. > :49:45.whether we should be members of EU and having a referendum, devoting
:49:46. > :49:54.time on that would be a disgrace when people are suffering problems.
:49:55. > :49:59.The British public agree with me. Do you know how many people say it's
:50:00. > :50:03.important the European Union 2%. No, I don't think there is a need for a
:50:04. > :50:13.referendum on the EU just Nigel Farage and the Daily Mail. You say
:50:14. > :50:16.only 2% of the people say it's the most important issue. Tax everything
:50:17. > :50:22.else is far more important. Behind you those words say free speech.
:50:23. > :50:27.Let's have a referendum. No, we live in a representative democracy. You
:50:28. > :50:31.vote for MPs. You vote for your elected representatives to make
:50:32. > :50:34.lawings, debate and discuss. If you don't like them you vote them out.
:50:35. > :50:40.You don't have a referendum on every issue going. Europe is a pretty big
:50:41. > :50:44.issue we should have a referendum. Is it going to end the debate? Is it
:50:45. > :50:47.going to end the debate. People who are anti-Europe are going to be
:50:48. > :51:08.anti-Europe after the referendum, those who are pro-Europe will be
:51:09. > :51:12.pro-Europe after the referendum. A lot of people feel we need we need a
:51:13. > :51:15.referendum. Foo people think they need a referendum vote UKIP see how
:51:16. > :51:18.many votes they get from the British public. That viewpoint is ignorant
:51:19. > :51:21.it doesn't respect the fact in making a decision like that you are
:51:22. > :51:24.setting a precedent for the next sort of interpretation of British
:51:25. > :51:27.politics like the way that democracy is handled now doesn't reflect the
:51:28. > :51:35.way I feel or the way people around me feel. In moving forward we should
:51:36. > :51:39.definitely start by taking the first action, even if it's something we
:51:40. > :51:46.don't feel it is that important, it shows that at least we care. It
:51:47. > :51:56.represents something larger. The most important thing we have to do
:51:57. > :51:58.is build the economy. The conversation has been about jobs,
:51:59. > :52:03.about people, financial pressure, about opportunity. That is the
:52:04. > :52:08.absolute. The overhanging threat that we are going to end up with a
:52:09. > :52:12.referendum that could lead to out. If it's one thing that will dampen
:52:13. > :52:17.the economic recovery, that is it. I talk to businesses over and over
:52:18. > :52:20.again. They have got their business here because it's part of the EU.
:52:21. > :52:23.That is where they are selling to. That is where they are building
:52:24. > :52:26.their business. If we will not be part of it they put Nair new
:52:27. > :52:31.investment plans abroad they will move substantial parts of what they
:52:32. > :52:34.already have overseas. We have to get the recovery established. I'm
:52:35. > :52:37.happy to live with the idea that when there is a treaty change, that
:52:38. > :52:40.referendum that should come, there should be a referendum, when you
:52:41. > :52:45.transfer serious you new powers over from Westminster to Brussels. When
:52:46. > :52:49.you do, I'm happy for that to be in an in-out referendum. I think we
:52:50. > :52:57.have to stick to our priority which is getting this recovery in place,
:52:58. > :53:00.getting everybody back to work. That's getting our education system
:53:01. > :53:06.in shape, making sure we don't have disadvantaged children. This is low
:53:07. > :53:10.on the agenda. Let's deal with it when he are forced to by the events
:53:11. > :53:14.of the treaty change -- events of the treaty change. You are trying to
:53:15. > :53:17.dampen the EU issue by linking it to UKIP. Because someone wants out of
:53:18. > :53:20.the EU doesn't mean they will vote UKIP. Politicians are elected to
:53:21. > :53:25.represent us you need to start allowing us to show our views. At
:53:26. > :53:28.the end of the day, you guys are representing your own views in
:53:29. > :53:31.parliament. You are debating because you guys disagree with each other,
:53:32. > :53:37.you need to give us our right to vote and say we want out. You have
:53:38. > :53:41.European elections coming up. We are the party of in. If you want in,
:53:42. > :53:46.vote Liberal Democrat. If you don't want in, vote UKIP. There really is
:53:47. > :53:54.- You have a chance to express what you really want. The gentleman
:53:55. > :53:58.behind. Can you tell me how you will grow the economy when the living
:53:59. > :54:01.wage is a lot more than the minimum wage? Also 1.6 million apresent
:54:02. > :54:05.countrieses have developed within a year, how do you run a household on
:54:06. > :54:13.a an apprentice wage, it's not possible. They can't afford to live.
:54:14. > :54:22.How do you do that? Slightly off topic. A good point. I want to hear
:54:23. > :54:25.something from you. On the EU? Yes. It's the shame to turn down an
:54:26. > :54:33.opportunity to engage in direct democracy and vote on something. I
:54:34. > :54:37.don't think EU is the issuel we should be -- issue we should be
:54:38. > :54:41.doing that on. . UKIP are doing the best they can do to show how much
:54:42. > :54:44.waste there is in the EU by spending ?35,000 on average a year in
:54:45. > :54:50.expenses more than the national average living wage. But maybe that
:54:51. > :54:55.says something about that party. Paris? What the guys said earlier,
:54:56. > :54:59.why don't we change it up a little bit. Why aren't we voting for our
:55:00. > :55:05.televisions or why aren't you buying a pint of milling. -- milk. What
:55:06. > :55:10.gets lost in this debate is why Europe was formed. Europe has always
:55:11. > :55:14.been there. Because of the Second World War we decided that we wanted
:55:15. > :55:17.to come together politically. I would hate for us to leave Europe.
:55:18. > :55:20.We have been talking tonight about should - how do we get people
:55:21. > :55:24.involved with politics and tell people they can't have a referendum.
:55:25. > :55:28.So I don't think it's the most important issue, obviously some
:55:29. > :55:32.people feel strongly about it. Why don't we have a referendum every
:55:33. > :55:38.month on a different issue. You would get no governing done. All
:55:39. > :55:41.right saying we can't do it. How will you get people engaged with
:55:42. > :55:44.politics? Not through an EU referendum when only 2% of the
:55:45. > :55:49.public think it's an important issue. We are discussing it now some
:55:50. > :55:52.people think it's important - We are discussing it now People are engaged
:55:53. > :55:56.who have views talking about it. They are not people sitting at home
:55:57. > :56:00.who won't vote. If you ask the public if they want a referendum on
:56:01. > :56:08.X, Y and Z they will always say yes. That is all we have time for. We are
:56:09. > :56:11.off air until Tuesday 25th March, two weeks from now, when we will
:56:12. > :56:15.come from the Broadwater Farm housing estate in Tottenham. The
:56:16. > :56:26.action doesn't stop stop for Free Speech online. It has been reset and
:56:27. > :56:29.is waiting for your questions. This is your programme. We follow your
:56:30. > :57:01.agenda, good night. --