:00:22. > :00:25.Hello and welcome to the programme. Coming up this week.
:00:25. > :00:29.Can MLAs support public service strikes, but still implement the
:00:29. > :00:34.cuts that provoke them? The former Secretary of State who
:00:34. > :00:39.says email hacking at the NIO would have put lives at risk.
:00:39. > :00:42.Courting Catholics, but can Robbo confront righteous backwoods wrath?
:00:42. > :00:52.And why, despite all the reaching out by politicians, the damned
:00:52. > :00:52.
:00:52. > :01:00.The trade unions claimed massive public support for their strike
:01:00. > :01:03.yesterday. And said 150,0000 people took part in the action. Prominent
:01:03. > :01:07.on the picket lines were a number of SDLP and Sinn Fein MLAs,
:01:07. > :01:09.although Unionists crossed the lines to get into work at Stormont.
:01:09. > :01:18.So can politicians support industrial action which is provoked
:01:18. > :01:23.by the very policies they are endorsing and implementing?
:01:23. > :01:29.Mitchel McLaughlin, you're they yesterday. I imagine what the
:01:29. > :01:33.conversation was like. And sorry about your pensions? There
:01:33. > :01:35.certainly was a conversation, as you can imagine. The trade union
:01:35. > :01:40.movement generally are in negotiations with the British
:01:40. > :01:43.government. That's perfectly understandable sense is the British
:01:43. > :01:48.government which is then pausing best pension levy, not the
:01:48. > :01:53.executive. -- imposing. Which frontline services should be
:01:53. > :01:58.sacrificed, we have to decide. We have protested to the British
:01:58. > :02:03.government and they had imposed a levy. Or we will take �100 million
:02:03. > :02:06.a year out of your fund. The same thing happened with Scotland and
:02:06. > :02:10.they have not decided whether or not to go ahead with it, but they
:02:10. > :02:14.have registered a protest, which you don't appear to have done.
:02:14. > :02:18.did, and secondly, we recognise and support the right of workers to
:02:18. > :02:23.protest about this. The main confrontation, as I've said, is in
:02:23. > :02:29.Westminster. There, the problem can be solved. I don't see it being
:02:29. > :02:38.addressed in terms of the other assembly, as yet for the Dolores
:02:38. > :02:45.Kelly, in extreme disagreement, it would appear. No, I think it's
:02:45. > :02:50.quite clear he needs to condense his colleagues. There is no pension
:02:50. > :02:55.crisis. The local government, low- paid workers, classroom assistants
:02:55. > :02:59.and council staff, there's no crisis whatsoever. Sinn Fein are
:02:59. > :03:06.voted through the cuts, which the Scottish assembly members refused
:03:06. > :03:09.to accept. There is a 3.25% cut in pensions overall, but Sinn Fein
:03:09. > :03:17.have a lot of explaining to do, because they could have voted
:03:17. > :03:21.against the implementation. It's a pay cut. 6-�2 on average. Let's
:03:21. > :03:29.move to the other side of the house, John McAllister, did you cross the
:03:29. > :03:38.picket line yesterday? No, I stop other picket-line. I spoke to
:03:38. > :03:43.people on the line. Did you apologise? No, I wanted to get the
:03:43. > :03:47.message out on the Ulster Unionists, it was right to strike. The same as
:03:47. > :03:51.we respect it was right to continue to work. Lots of people continued
:03:51. > :03:56.to work. I think it should have been done where each side respects
:03:56. > :04:00.the other. Don't you be hypocritical? You are the executive
:04:01. > :04:05.of the government would is implementing the economic policies.
:04:05. > :04:10.We were not balloted on strike action. It was important to send a
:04:10. > :04:18.message out, for Stormont, it was business as usual, so I attended a
:04:18. > :04:25.meeting of the health committee. We discussed the Compton review.
:04:25. > :04:29.former colleague appeared on picket lines. Yes, protesting to cuts and
:04:29. > :04:32.campaigning for more money for the health service. I have no issue
:04:32. > :04:38.with anybody being on the picket line. The message I would be
:04:38. > :04:44.putting out, I respect people's right to be there. I took time to
:04:44. > :04:49.exchange views with people in a very calm and responsible way. It
:04:49. > :04:55.was all very good nature, the exchanges. Then I crossed the line
:04:55. > :04:59.and went on to Stormont. Simon Hamilton, Peter Robinson said he
:04:59. > :05:04.was disappointed the strike was going ahead, and union leaders
:05:04. > :05:11.seemed set to do that regardless of the big decisions going on. Would
:05:11. > :05:15.you say going on strike won't bring a single job to Northern Ireland?
:05:15. > :05:20.wondered what merit that was in strike action. An expression of
:05:21. > :05:23.anger. I support some of his right to strike and I understand and have
:05:23. > :05:28.sympathy for those who were negatively affected by these
:05:28. > :05:32.changes, but the people who are really suffering yesterday, were
:05:32. > :05:39.those waiting Vosper operations and had their schools closed, who
:05:39. > :05:42.couldn't earn money because buses and trains were cancelled. These
:05:42. > :05:45.are changes being implemented by Westminster and the maintenance of
:05:45. > :05:49.pensions is something which is paramount and the unions know that
:05:49. > :05:56.the case. If we want to follow through with these changes, the
:05:56. > :06:00.deficit would be �140 million every year recurring, each year. The
:06:00. > :06:03.impact on that on frontline services would be immense, and,
:06:03. > :06:10.instead of having a situation where we are protecting jobs in the
:06:10. > :06:15.public sector, protecting services, it would have an inevitable
:06:15. > :06:21.consequence on most jobs for the and we would be talking about
:06:21. > :06:26.redundancies. In the past, Alex Salmond strode into the Scottish
:06:26. > :06:31.Parliament and said they would resist this. They are now following
:06:31. > :06:35.through with these changes, following Westminster. Sinn Fein
:06:35. > :06:42.promised the people on the north, they would have a �4 billion
:06:42. > :06:51.package for North, but there wasn't much point of principle, reneging
:06:51. > :06:56.by the British government on that point. There was a substantial...
:06:56. > :07:00.There was a substantial package on devolution. The government is
:07:00. > :07:05.reneging on capital investment. That is being taken through a joint
:07:05. > :07:09.a ministerial debate. We are keeping the government to their
:07:09. > :07:15.promise in that respect. It's easy for Dolores Kelly and her party, to
:07:15. > :07:19.stand on picket lines. �140 million each year taken out of our budget
:07:20. > :07:24.will have a massive detrimental impact on public services in
:07:24. > :07:28.Northern Ireland and I don't think it's what the unions want to see.
:07:28. > :07:32.There's no crisis within those pensions. Low-paid workers, you
:07:32. > :07:39.could take a stand on behalf of them. Let's remember what got us
:07:39. > :07:42.into this crisis. It only a matter of days from a highly paid
:07:42. > :07:48.executive negotiating a �20,000 pay rise in the face of other people
:07:48. > :07:52.losing their jobs. How is that protecting frontline services? Your
:07:52. > :07:57.party accepted a �60 million bonus for the Prison Service Retirement
:07:57. > :08:02.Fund on the back of staff who actually, report after report,
:08:02. > :08:07.criticised poor performance. I want to bring in Mitchel McLaughlin.
:08:07. > :08:13.would think the SDLP had walked off the protest because they could not
:08:13. > :08:17.stomach this but they implemented this. We voted against it. It's a
:08:17. > :08:21.stand-alone scheme and we are prepared to accept it pulls up 8%
:08:21. > :08:26.of public sector workers, over 200,000 workers, not included in
:08:26. > :08:30.that and we have to deal with them. We hope, in reciprocation for
:08:30. > :08:34.supporting this argument, the SDLP will support our proposition that
:08:34. > :08:38.any public sector workers earning less than �32,000 per annum would
:08:38. > :08:42.be excluded because there's a lot of highly paid civil servants and
:08:42. > :08:47.we believe they can carry that load better than those on low wages.
:08:47. > :08:54.Perhaps the SDLP would consider it. Are you going to support Alex
:08:54. > :09:02.Salmond? Yes, it is self financing scheme. I'm glad Sinn Fein accepts
:09:02. > :09:07.the SDLP position on this. It's our position. We welcome their support.
:09:07. > :09:12.I think people have sympathy for public sector workers. This is a
:09:12. > :09:15.dangerous course of action. The maintenance of pensions, similar to
:09:15. > :09:18.social security, is absolutely critical, and once you start
:09:18. > :09:22.getting away from what the Westminster government is doing,
:09:22. > :09:29.they can come down on the Northern Ireland and come down on us like a
:09:29. > :09:36.For the they are self financing. It is different, but there is a
:09:36. > :09:39.massive deficit of around a million pounds this up -- a billion pounds.
:09:39. > :09:46.I'm not in favour of creating a two-tier system in public sector
:09:46. > :09:52.workers. We cannot afford, no matter about payments, but there is
:09:53. > :09:57.a deficit, Deloris, and you have to get your facts right. There is a
:09:57. > :10:01.real danger, playing fast and loose with a pension schemes and the
:10:01. > :10:09.dangers which are inherent within that, if Westminster Sears stepping
:10:09. > :10:12.beyond what they are doing. -- sees as a stepping beyond. It's got to
:10:12. > :10:16.be about much more than the pensions issue. What will happen
:10:16. > :10:20.when there's another day of action on a different issue? Are you a
:10:20. > :10:24.game you going to have to walk to a picket line, saying that your
:10:24. > :10:27.sympathy is with the people on strike but knowing your
:10:27. > :10:34.implementing the policies that are bringing them up to the strike
:10:34. > :10:39.lines? It's a Westminster matter, this one. Beyond that, future
:10:39. > :10:45.protests. It's disingenuous to say we are going to stand on a picket
:10:45. > :10:49.lines and fight while writing to schools and saying, we are taking
:10:49. > :10:53.5% of your budgets. Schools are frontline services, and I don't
:10:53. > :10:59.know what else would constitute a frontline service. You can't have
:10:59. > :11:05.Of the government and the unions need to get round the table, sort
:11:05. > :11:09.out the pension issue, but we have to be realistic about the money.
:11:09. > :11:13.The national scene, there is no more money. The Chancellor has made
:11:13. > :11:17.that clear. If we risk putting a borrowing, and we are going to be
:11:17. > :11:22.in serious bother for the look at the Republic of Ireland, the large
:11:22. > :11:29.numbers of countries across Europe, the crisis in the eurozone, you
:11:29. > :11:31.know, they are sitting... What does the assembly have to offer the
:11:31. > :11:35.hundreds of thousands of public sector workers, who see their
:11:35. > :11:41.position, not just their pension, their jobs and serves as, under
:11:41. > :11:47.threat? Can you say to them, sorry, there's nothing we can do? Pensions,
:11:47. > :11:51.it's very difficult. Moving beyond that. I would point to the fact
:11:51. > :11:55.that if you go across the water to Great Britain, a lot of these cuts
:11:55. > :11:59.have hit local authorities, and what they had done to stave off
:11:59. > :12:02.these cutbacks, is a sack public sector workers, and in Northern
:12:02. > :12:08.Ireland we have tried to deal with the reductions, as a result of
:12:08. > :12:12.these cutbacks but we're not doing that. We are largely protecting our
:12:12. > :12:16.public sector workers. It may be cold comfort to some people who say
:12:16. > :12:23.the impact on their pensions, but we haven't had to go through that
:12:23. > :12:29.massive reductions in public sector workers yet. Does it lie ahead?
:12:29. > :12:34.afraid there are very tough decisions ahead. 85,000 in this
:12:34. > :12:39.time of austerity, budget being slashed, 85,000 empty desks in the
:12:39. > :12:43.education system. We cannot delay any longer. I can understand the
:12:43. > :12:49.system, particularly those in employment. They have protected
:12:50. > :12:54.that. We cannot afford to carry 85,000, that's the equivalent of
:12:54. > :12:58.150 ante schools. Have you anything other than cold comfort for public
:12:58. > :13:04.sector workers? I would like to thank our MPs who were at
:13:04. > :13:10.Westminster as they, supporting the Labour Party. You have not answered
:13:10. > :13:15.my question. The last election? It's interesting to hear the
:13:15. > :13:23.argument that Sinn Fein, if the thing to do with us, one they
:13:23. > :13:26.implementing them. What is the SDLP's message? We actually need to
:13:26. > :13:32.look for greater efficiencies. Don't be fooled, there are numerous
:13:32. > :13:40.jobs not being filled, so there are vacancies. And large-scale
:13:40. > :13:47.redundancies. We have to do a lot more, in Northern Ireland are piles
:13:47. > :13:51.of them are opportunities, and in at 2013, an opportunity of bringing
:13:51. > :14:01.visitors to Northern Ireland. items to be had. Thank you very
:14:01. > :14:05.
:14:05. > :14:11.There was a time, not that long ago, when a simple few fixed messages
:14:11. > :14:16.made life easy for the DUP. Every speech was a variation of the no,
:14:16. > :14:24.no, never refrain from the Wild Rover. That only vision was rear-
:14:24. > :14:32.view mirror stuff where playgrounds, pubs, cinemas and shops stayed
:14:32. > :14:41.locked on Sundays with the weeping angels of Free Presbyterian -- Free
:14:41. > :14:47.Presbyterianism. The DUP was a religious sect, a happy-clappy
:14:47. > :14:51.cabal. All Roman Catholics were obviously IRA supporters and any
:14:51. > :14:56.Unionist leader who smiled on nodded a welcome at once, deserved
:14:56. > :14:59.a stake on the bonfire. It was that simple. But they have now
:14:59. > :15:07.discovered there is a price be paid for electoral success and a seat at
:15:07. > :15:11.the top table. That price is the Unionist will depend on the Roman
:15:11. > :15:16.Catholics for survival. It explains why last Saturday Peter Robinson
:15:16. > :15:20.was appealing to Roman Catholics. Let's be honest, he will never be
:15:20. > :15:24.appealing to Roman Catholics but you know what I mean. Peter handed
:15:24. > :15:29.out a hand of friendship and painted a piece of love and harmony
:15:29. > :15:32.in which all of us could frolic happily in the turquoise world of
:15:32. > :15:37.smiling children and laughing policeman. But while Peter was
:15:37. > :15:42.giving us his nails and Vic -- Mills and Boon version, some of the
:15:42. > :15:48.others were playing along to the unconvinced elements of the crowd.
:15:48. > :15:53.That Sammy Wilson. One of those three joke comedians who won
:15:53. > :15:59.Opportunity knocks in the 1970s. His act is an odd mix of absolutely
:15:59. > :16:05.Fabulous and Cannon and Ball. Indeed, it was absolute balls.
:16:05. > :16:10.Nigel dogs died -- tried a knockabout as well. -- Nigel Dodds
:16:10. > :16:14.tried a knockabout as well. The audience loved the old-style
:16:14. > :16:19.religion and the even older style political jibes from Sammy and
:16:19. > :16:23.Nigel. It pressed all the right buttons. In an age -- in an age of
:16:23. > :16:28.political correctness, the evangelical old guard wanted to be
:16:28. > :16:33.reassured that putting the boot into opponents as he steered them
:16:33. > :16:38.towards eternal damnation was still part of the DUP's role. It
:16:38. > :16:43.resembled parts of the Bernard Manning appreciation Society.
:16:43. > :16:48.Therein lies Peter Robinson's greatest challenge. The only light
:16:48. > :16:52.some of the DUP faithful want to see is the flames from the pyre of
:16:52. > :17:00.Republican dreams. For some of them, Catholics voting for the union is
:17:00. > :17:03.the modern-day version of the croppies lie down again. Has Peter
:17:03. > :17:10.Robinson reached his political pique and left to many of them
:17:10. > :17:16.behind. The thoughts of Alex Keay. -- Alex
:17:16. > :17:22.Kane. With all the talks of Wall's coming down, the peace waltz seemed
:17:22. > :17:29.to be here to stay. New barriers are still going up -- a piece waltz.
:17:29. > :17:38.A gate in the fence that divides Alex trying to have Alexandra Park
:17:38. > :17:42.in North Belfast is opened. It is certainly not one of the most
:17:42. > :17:46.contentious interfaces but it shows just how difficult dealing with
:17:46. > :17:50.walls and barriers is when even a mock and change like this is
:17:50. > :17:55.greeted with a celebration -- a modest change like this is greeted
:17:55. > :18:05.with celebration. They started as makeshift barriers to keep the
:18:05. > :18:06.
:18:06. > :18:12.peace but as the troubles continued, the walls became permanent. Mickey
:18:12. > :18:16.is an historian and community worker but in the 80s he was a
:18:17. > :18:20.contractor. One of the contract was to build this peace wall behind a.
:18:20. > :18:27.We thought it was a great idea. Having struggled to make a couple
:18:27. > :18:30.of quid. When I see them now, I'm sorry I build them. On one hand, in
:18:30. > :18:34.principle, you want a wall to be taken away. However, the
:18:34. > :18:39.realisation on the other hand is that for years and years when these
:18:39. > :18:43.walls were here, it perpetuated a whole climate of fear. Now he also
:18:43. > :18:49.runs walking tours and our divisions have become a tourist
:18:49. > :18:53.attraction. This wall was to divide and separate the two communities.
:18:53. > :18:58.But there are the interface areas the visitors do not see but where
:18:58. > :19:04.people still have to live. False, the skirl of them, the number of
:19:04. > :19:13.them, the length of them -- the scale of them, are almost
:19:13. > :19:19.guarantees that the change to these areas will not come. This man is
:19:19. > :19:25.worried because he says peace walls are not just part of our past. What
:19:25. > :19:28.is this for? It was built as part of a scheme to redevelop the land
:19:29. > :19:34.to the right hand side of it which was for housing for the Protestant
:19:34. > :19:41.loyalist population who would be backing on to this nationalist area
:19:41. > :19:46.here of Ardoyne. It was designed to ensure that the residents who live
:19:46. > :19:50.within 50 feet of each other could not talk to each other. And, he
:19:50. > :19:56.says, there is a danger that they will be a part of our future as
:19:56. > :20:00.well. We must have a commitment to building no more new ones and say
:20:00. > :20:04.where there are security issues, that is for the police to workout
:20:04. > :20:07.with the local community. feeling is policing does not solve
:20:07. > :20:12.community problems but community solutions can solve policing
:20:12. > :20:18.problems. Chief Superintendent Mark Hamilton is responsible for north
:20:18. > :20:22.and West Belfast, the area with the majority of the city's interfaces.
:20:22. > :20:27.Who says reported incidents of sectarian crime are down but it is
:20:27. > :20:32.still a huge part of his work. think the issue is why people feel
:20:32. > :20:39.the need to come together and contest space or attack homes or
:20:39. > :20:43.cars or attack each other. We are recognising that a couple of police
:20:43. > :20:48.Land Rovers on their own sitting at an interface deals with that point
:20:48. > :20:52.in time but does not deal with the long term. There is no doubt
:20:52. > :20:58.interface violence has not gone away but surely where it has, we
:20:58. > :21:01.can begin to remove barriers? Last year Hearts And Minds told you
:21:02. > :21:06.about attempts by Community residents to get this barrier
:21:06. > :21:11.opened during the day to alleviate traffic congestion. But residents
:21:11. > :21:16.were only happy to see it opened if they had traffic-calming measures
:21:16. > :21:18.in the street. Traffic calming is the responsibility for the
:21:18. > :21:22.Department of regional development and barriers are now the
:21:22. > :21:26.responsibility for the Department of Justice. Because of the
:21:26. > :21:29.bureaucracy they found they were getting know where. Now, the
:21:29. > :21:33.Justice Minister has stepped in and released money from his department
:21:33. > :21:39.to the Department of regional development to pay for the traffic-
:21:39. > :21:44.calming. But is this just a one- off? Does this mean the Department
:21:44. > :21:52.of Justice is taking the lead elsewhere? We have to look at the
:21:52. > :21:58.wide issues of because -- of the strategy. It includes community
:21:58. > :22:02.safety and some of the interface areas. As a result of that work and
:22:02. > :22:06.we see people wanting the ball -- of the wall to be removed or
:22:06. > :22:10.wanting a gate, we are prepared to take the lead with the other
:22:10. > :22:16.agencies we work with like the police in seeing week meet the
:22:16. > :22:21.requirements of the local community. Despite this, there is no agreed
:22:21. > :22:25.policy at Stormont to address these issues. Here on the street, that
:22:25. > :22:31.does not necessarily mean that nothing is happening. In this area
:22:32. > :22:35.of North Belfast, residents are continuing to do it for themselves.
:22:35. > :22:40.When we were out doing a survey over another gate last year, we
:22:40. > :22:50.were approached by residents who said they would love this gate
:22:50. > :22:57.opened. We did a survey to the houses here and we only had one
:22:57. > :23:04.objection. We are trying to ensure quality of life issues, that they
:23:04. > :23:09.can be improved. It is giving people a growing confidence that
:23:09. > :23:13.things can change. People in these areas cannot wait for the
:23:13. > :23:19.government to make up their mind about whether they will do a, B or
:23:19. > :23:22.C. People are taking on their own bat. If people on the street are
:23:22. > :23:32.able to take the initiative, the government should be doing it
:23:32. > :23:33.
:23:33. > :23:36.anyway. Julia Paul reporting. A hackers
:23:36. > :23:41.working for News International did try to gain access to the email
:23:41. > :23:44.accounts of the former Secretary of State Peter Hain, it would be a new
:23:44. > :23:48.dimension to irresponsibility and lawlessness, according to his
:23:48. > :23:53.success or on the job, Shaun Woodward. Mr Woodward joins us from
:23:53. > :23:58.Westminster. We do not know if this has happened. Do you think it is
:23:58. > :24:03.likely that it did? Only a few months ago, we did not think that
:24:03. > :24:07.there had been an organised campaign of hacking people's phones.
:24:07. > :24:11.We now know the scale of it and involves one of the biggest
:24:11. > :24:15.criminal investigations undertaken by the Metropolitan Police. I think
:24:15. > :24:19.we would be foolish to be complacent about this. If there is
:24:19. > :24:23.a serious suggestion that there seems to be that Peter Hain's
:24:23. > :24:29.computers were hacked and his email accounts were hacked, I think that
:24:29. > :24:35.has to be taken extremely seriously until it is disproved. What kind of
:24:35. > :24:38.material would you find in those email accounts? There will be two
:24:38. > :24:46.kinds of the Manor Ground. There will be the one that runs between
:24:46. > :24:49.the Northern Ireland Office and the Westminster and that would be
:24:49. > :24:53.subject to the highest security surroundings to ensure it could not
:24:53. > :24:58.be hacked into but on the other hand, let's remember that we have
:24:58. > :25:01.seen stories of the Pentagon being hacked into by a highly gifted
:25:01. > :25:06.amateurs. It would be foolish for anyone to say it is impossible
:25:06. > :25:11.because we know at the Pentagon these things can happen. I think
:25:11. > :25:15.that is unlikely. I think what is more likely is that these private
:25:15. > :25:20.investigators, if they were trying to hack Peter's emails would have
:25:20. > :25:24.gone for his personal accounts. The problem about the personal accounts
:25:24. > :25:29.is whilst you would only have but innocuous information into them and
:25:29. > :25:33.I'm sure Peter would have been very careful not put sensitive
:25:33. > :25:35.information in, the fact of the matter is the office in Northern
:25:35. > :25:39.Ireland and the office in Westminster senti bits of
:25:39. > :25:43.information you need when you're travelling, working between the
:25:43. > :25:46.offices -- send you bits of information. My worry is that
:25:46. > :25:50.little bits of information would have gone on there and in the hands
:25:50. > :25:54.of a private investigator, it would be possible to put together
:25:54. > :25:58.patterns of his movements, people who was meeting with and if they
:25:58. > :26:01.were sharing that with any third parties, and if they were
:26:01. > :26:07.discussing the significance of a meeting orate timing with anybody
:26:07. > :26:12.in Northern Ireland, the simple ease with which that information
:26:12. > :26:17.gets into the hands of the wrong people, and I clearly mean those
:26:17. > :26:20.who would undermine the peace process, this would be a serious
:26:20. > :26:26.issue. It should worry the security services that it might have
:26:26. > :26:33.happened. It is a big step from saying people working for News
:26:33. > :26:37.International why -- might have be wanton some personal tittle-tattle
:26:37. > :26:42.and sharing the information with people who would use it to cost
:26:42. > :26:46.lives? That is what I did not say. If you take a piece of innocuous
:26:46. > :26:51.information. Let's say you knew that Peter Hain was going to
:26:51. > :26:56.something next Saturday at 4:30pm but you might know -- not know what
:26:56. > :27:03.it was, you might be tempted to say, does anybody know anything about
:27:03. > :27:07.why he might go there? You might have people asking people and
:27:07. > :27:12.seemingly unintentionally, you could have ended up passing on
:27:12. > :27:17.information to the wrong people. Let's be frank. How many of those
:27:17. > :27:21.4,000 people who lost their lives during the Troubles, lost them, not
:27:21. > :27:25.because anybody deliberately gave a piece of information but because
:27:25. > :27:28.unfortunately, somebody established a pattern, a little bit of
:27:28. > :27:33.information here and there but in the hands of the wrong people,
:27:33. > :27:37.these are experts at putting together these little bits of
:27:37. > :27:41.information. The risk is that unintentionally, I'm sure, if they
:27:41. > :27:46.did this, they could not only have put the life of the Secretary of
:27:46. > :27:51.State at risk and that is a very serious issue. We think of very
:27:51. > :27:55.neat and other examples of political targets, -- Erin leave.
:27:55. > :27:59.But they could have risked the lives of the public. Of course,
:27:59. > :28:02.they would not deliberately have gone out to do so but the
:28:02. > :28:06.consequences of loose talk and people being callous and
:28:06. > :28:11.irresponsible, it may have never occurred to them the consequences
:28:11. > :28:15.of what they might have done, if they did do this. Have you had any
:28:15. > :28:20.contact with the Metropolitan Police in this investigation which
:28:20. > :28:24.is a separate one from the Weeting inquiry into phone hacking? I am
:28:24. > :28:28.not going to make any statement about the contact I have had with
:28:28. > :28:33.the Metropolitan Police about the overall investigation except to say,
:28:33. > :28:37.but I think none of us should be complacent. Mr Woodward, thank you
:28:37. > :28:47.very much indeed. That is where we leave it this time
:28:47. > :28:53.
:28:53. > :29:01.round. We will do it again next week at the usual time. Goodbye.
:29:01. > :29:09.All right, Noel. What I need is a good discussion about politics.
:29:09. > :29:13.a private sector worker with no pension, I want to say I support
:29:13. > :29:22.yesterday's strike 100 % and I hope there is more especially by eight
:29:22. > :29:27.trams link workers because I cleaned up. I picked up strikers
:29:27. > :29:32.wanting me to take them to Jeremy Clarkson's house. Funny how