0:00:19 > 0:00:22Hello and welcome to the programme. Coming up this week - as a leading
0:00:22 > 0:00:28Catholic Grammar says no surrender on selection, we ask the Education
0:00:28 > 0:00:33Minister where we go from here. A US dating agency thinks our men are
0:00:33 > 0:00:40ugly. They should see our economy! And - why are we still waiting for
0:00:40 > 0:00:42the Cohesion and Sharing Plan to build a more integrated society?
0:00:42 > 0:00:46The open revolt by one of Belfast's leading Catholic Grammars against
0:00:46 > 0:00:49the ending of selection is a kick in teeth for the Church hierarchy
0:00:49 > 0:00:53and for the Education Minister, who has used the Church's opposition to
0:00:53 > 0:01:02testing to lend weight to his own position. So where does this leave
0:01:02 > 0:01:08us? John O'Dowd is here. It's a bit of a kick in the teeth? Certainly
0:01:08 > 0:01:11not for me. I want them to support their own policy of academic
0:01:11 > 0:01:16selection. There is either one sector or several. I would like to
0:01:16 > 0:01:24think I'm dealing with one, but it's a classic example and it
0:01:24 > 0:01:32deserves further study. St Dominic's is selective and 15% of
0:01:32 > 0:01:37the pupils are on free school meals. St Rose's nearly 60% of the pupils
0:01:37 > 0:01:42have free school meals. If there isn't a better argument for taking
0:01:42 > 0:01:49down the wall -- They say they work together closely and say they
0:01:49 > 0:01:54they've shared resources. I would like to know how the young children
0:01:54 > 0:01:56and the pupils, have they gained anything? I've no doubt that St
0:01:56 > 0:02:01Dominic's is an excellent education centre and St Rose's, but the
0:02:01 > 0:02:06question I have to ask is why do I need both? Why do I need a school
0:02:06 > 0:02:11separated by a wall and we talk a lot in society about removing walls.
0:02:11 > 0:02:18Why not remove the wall between education? The simple answer, pair
0:02:18 > 0:02:22rants want it. The parents want access to excellent education and I
0:02:22 > 0:02:25don't disparage any parent for doing that, but what the Church is
0:02:25 > 0:02:29saying and the unions and many, many educationalists are saying,
0:02:29 > 0:02:34that can be achieved without the need for selection. Parents don't
0:02:34 > 0:02:39believe you. It's not a case of belief. It is. It's about choice.
0:02:39 > 0:02:44They are saying they like selection. Pair reapbts like access to good
0:02:44 > 0:02:48schools. Certain -- parents like access to good schools. Certainly
0:02:48 > 0:02:57schools are placing barriers. St Dominic's places a barrier to their
0:02:57 > 0:03:03school. It has been proven time and again that you don't need academic
0:03:03 > 0:03:07selection to provide excellent education. Is St Dominic's Board of
0:03:07 > 0:03:11Governors telling society that their staff and school can't teach
0:03:11 > 0:03:15all-ability children? The Bishop is saying it's up to the church to
0:03:15 > 0:03:18persuade parents that selection is a thing of the past. That has
0:03:18 > 0:03:24clearly been a complete failure. The parents think this is very
0:03:24 > 0:03:28immediate. The Church has to give leadership and the Church failed in
0:03:29 > 0:03:33the most recent report they published. Not only did they let
0:03:33 > 0:03:39down many, many people and we have seen the reaction. You mentioned
0:03:39 > 0:03:43they didn't give any kind of timetable for putting an end to
0:03:43 > 0:03:48selection. The time is over on selection. People want to see
0:03:48 > 0:03:54action. That includes parents. Parents who want to have children
0:03:54 > 0:03:58and excellent education. I'm promoting that. Those in the
0:03:58 > 0:04:05Catholic sector are facing a majority of job losses and closures.
0:04:05 > 0:04:12None of this is a factor in the selective sector. This isn't about
0:04:12 > 0:04:15me looking outside to look. I'm not looking at the Alliance or the
0:04:15 > 0:04:19Catholic Church to support the position, I'm looking for them to
0:04:19 > 0:04:22support their own position, because the time is over. That's the
0:04:22 > 0:04:26problem, the hierarchy are saying we must do away and the schools are
0:04:26 > 0:04:31saying, no, we don't want to. The council has fallen somewhere
0:04:31 > 0:04:35between the two? That's a question you need to put to the Catholic
0:04:35 > 0:04:40hierarchy. What I'm saying is I'm worried about the schools and I'm
0:04:40 > 0:04:45using St Dominic's as an example. Why do I need two schools separated
0:04:45 > 0:04:50by a wall when on one side only 15% of the population are on free
0:04:50 > 0:04:55school meals and can gain access and on the other side, 60% are on
0:04:55 > 0:04:58free school meals and can gain access. I want to ensure that all
0:04:58 > 0:05:04young people have excellent education. Isn't it market forces
0:05:04 > 0:05:08at work here? Exactly. The schools that are using selection are
0:05:08 > 0:05:13attracting more people? Whether they are A students, B or C or D,
0:05:13 > 0:05:16they are filling their desks and there's no way they'll close. It's
0:05:16 > 0:05:21market forces. This is not about education. This is about marketing.
0:05:21 > 0:05:26Marketing of a school of a product, suggesting that because they offer
0:05:26 > 0:05:31a test that they provide some form -- It seems to be working very well.
0:05:31 > 0:05:36Because they present this case of different systems than the school
0:05:36 > 0:05:40down the road who does not offer tests. All schools teach the
0:05:40 > 0:05:44curriculum and as we move to the new framework, which will become
0:05:44 > 0:05:47law and 2013 onwards, all schools have to offer the same range of
0:05:47 > 0:05:52subjects, so academic selection in the past was irrelevant and in the
0:05:52 > 0:05:56future it becomes less so than it ever was. Schools using selection,
0:05:56 > 0:06:00the majority of cases, this is a marketing exercise. Where do you
0:06:00 > 0:06:03take it from here? We haven't moved anywhere on selection for years now
0:06:03 > 0:06:11and this isn't going to help you move in your direction. It's not a
0:06:11 > 0:06:15case of helping me move in my direction. Society has played a
0:06:15 > 0:06:20leading role in many changes and it's time for us to show leadership
0:06:20 > 0:06:26on this. It's time for civic society, the churches, unions,
0:06:26 > 0:06:31educationalists all to come out and say it's now the time. They are
0:06:31 > 0:06:40doing that? The church is saying it and still nothing changesment
0:06:40 > 0:06:44Saying it is not enough -- -- still no change. Saying is not enough.
0:06:44 > 0:06:48The bodies with responsibility -- What does that mean in terms?
0:06:48 > 0:06:54explain. The bodies with responsibility in education, such
0:06:54 > 0:06:58as the bishops need to move and put their policy into action. I would
0:06:58 > 0:07:05like to see the unions being louder and coming out and help lead the
0:07:05 > 0:07:10way in regards to this. hierarchy cannot force Catholic
0:07:10 > 0:07:14schools to abandon selection? Either we have a Catholic sector or
0:07:14 > 0:07:17a multitude. That is a question the Church has to answer, because at
0:07:17 > 0:07:23the moment reading my local papers and the newspapers it would appear
0:07:23 > 0:07:29we have a multitude of sectors. The union movement -- The opinion is --
0:07:29 > 0:07:33Let me finish. The unions can offer leadership. The sector out there
0:07:33 > 0:07:38not only in the Catholic sector but in the control sector, who are
0:07:38 > 0:07:41ignored, it's time they stepped up and made their voices heard.
0:07:41 > 0:07:45Academic selection is not necessary for excellence. I'm in favour of
0:07:45 > 0:07:53excellence and let's work towards that. I still don't see that you
0:07:53 > 0:07:59have told me anything concrete that these people can do. There must be
0:07:59 > 0:08:07a political solution? I think civic society giving leadership will lead
0:08:07 > 0:08:11to a solution. Civic society has a role in society and it would be
0:08:11 > 0:08:17arrogant of me to say I will tell those bodies what to do. The
0:08:17 > 0:08:20Alliance and the SDLP and the Church and unions, I'm not
0:08:20 > 0:08:25appealing for me to support Sinn Fein policies, but go back and read
0:08:25 > 0:08:31your own policies and come out and support us. The council said in
0:08:31 > 0:08:372009 it wanted it phased out by 2012, ready for the entitlement
0:08:37 > 0:08:42curriculum in 2013, but in the recent report there is no mention
0:08:42 > 0:08:46of a deadline. Hence, a failure in leadership. Parents are stepping
0:08:46 > 0:08:49back to look to see how this is going. As I said earlier, parents
0:08:49 > 0:08:54want the best for their individual children and I would not deny
0:08:54 > 0:08:57anyone that. I want to see a system that is excellent, but those
0:08:57 > 0:09:05involved in education, the Catholic Church, has to give leadership and
0:09:05 > 0:09:09others too. Those from socially deprived communities are not
0:09:09 > 0:09:13accessing grammar schools. Why? That question has never been
0:09:13 > 0:09:18sufficiently answered by those who are promoting academic selection.
0:09:18 > 0:09:23Those who are opposed point to the testing system as a barrier to
0:09:23 > 0:09:27further, higher education, so let's remove it. Let's have a more equal
0:09:27 > 0:09:32society and let people move through education. A wall running through a
0:09:32 > 0:09:35school, it's not acceptable. A wall running through any society is not
0:09:35 > 0:09:40acceptable. You have appealed to civic society. Is that an admission
0:09:40 > 0:09:46that you can do nothing? On my own I don't believe so. Or as a member
0:09:46 > 0:09:50of the executive? I believe that politics is often lead by society
0:09:50 > 0:09:54and society has to take a lead. Politicians have set positions. We
0:09:54 > 0:10:00all know what my position is and the DUP. The other parties are
0:10:00 > 0:10:05somewhat reluctant to come out and stand by their positions, but it is
0:10:05 > 0:10:08opposed, and siem saying let's show leadership and come out and -- I'm
0:10:08 > 0:10:14saying, let's show leadership and come out and we need to say enough
0:10:14 > 0:10:19is enough. On another issue, minister, these carving up of the
0:10:19 > 0:10:27department of employment and learning, are we any nearer to
0:10:27 > 0:10:30learning about that? The department -- it will no longer exist in a
0:10:30 > 0:10:33number of months. There are continuing discussions as to how we
0:10:33 > 0:10:37separate the functions into the appropriate departments for the
0:10:38 > 0:10:42benefit of society. Do you think that will be well resolved?
0:10:42 > 0:10:47believe it can be. You'll end up with the universities? I will end
0:10:47 > 0:10:49up with what I end up with. I believe further, higher education
0:10:49 > 0:10:53and the universities have a place within the Department of Education.
0:10:53 > 0:11:00However, if that does not work out to be that case, then I don't think
0:11:00 > 0:11:05that is an insurmountable problem. There are a number of theories.
0:11:05 > 0:11:08Discussions or on-going, but I believe at the end we'll come to an
0:11:08 > 0:11:16agreement which is for the benefit of the improvement. Thank you very
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0:11:23 > 0:11:26men are the ugliest in the world. But the good news for this divided
0:11:26 > 0:11:29community is that our breathtaking lack of good looks crosses all
0:11:29 > 0:11:32religious and cultural barriers. Protestant and Catholic, Unionist
0:11:32 > 0:11:38and Nationalist, North and South, the men of Ireland stand united in
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0:11:41 > 0:11:45girlfriends have been telling us for years - we just don't make the
0:11:45 > 0:11:48effort. While the poll-topping boys from Brazil submit a picture to the
0:11:48 > 0:11:51agency taken after a morning spent in the local beauty salon, tanned,
0:11:51 > 0:11:54toned, exfoliated and generally buffed up, Irish men send in a
0:11:54 > 0:11:58picture taken in the pub on their mate's phone, a little the worse
0:11:58 > 0:12:06for wear, proudly holding up a pint of stout and grinning with a mouth
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0:12:10 > 0:12:12Ulster's men, however, is Ulster's future. It's a case of another day,
0:12:12 > 0:12:18another closure here with shops shutting down, companies collapsing
0:12:18 > 0:12:21and the public sector haemorrhaging jobs. Among this week's casualties
0:12:21 > 0:12:25were employees of a locally based call centre, which announced it
0:12:25 > 0:12:29would be paying off 250 of its staff. Right now unemployment
0:12:29 > 0:12:33appears to be our main growth industry. While unemployment is
0:12:33 > 0:12:37growing, property prices continue to fall. And it's not just the
0:12:37 > 0:12:41private housing market. The Castle Court Centre in Belfast was sold
0:12:41 > 0:12:44this week for what is thought to be about half it's market value before
0:12:44 > 0:12:47the crash. As if the future isn't bleak enough, the proposed
0:12:47 > 0:12:51alterations to the benefits system are expected to impact large
0:12:51 > 0:12:53numbers of families here. According to the Northern Ireland
0:12:53 > 0:12:58Conservative website, we are addicted to benefits in this
0:12:58 > 0:13:01province and that has to change. So what with one thing and another,
0:13:01 > 0:13:04conditions appear to be building for a perfect storm. However,
0:13:04 > 0:13:07Stormont, often criticised for its inertia in the past, has responded
0:13:07 > 0:13:14to the situation by embarking upon what amounts to a massive public
0:13:14 > 0:13:16works initiative. Admittedly, most of the money was already allocated
0:13:16 > 0:13:19and much of the preliminary planning already in place, but
0:13:19 > 0:13:26nevertheless the announcement on Tuesday of a �600 million road-
0:13:26 > 0:13:29building and construction scheme is welcome news. The plans include the
0:13:29 > 0:13:32upgrading of sections of the A5 and the A8 and the long-awaited
0:13:32 > 0:13:38improvement to one of the most congested roads in the province,
0:13:38 > 0:13:41the notorious A2 from Belfast to Carrickfergus. Included in the plan
0:13:41 > 0:13:45is about �90 million to be spent on hospitals in Omagh, Londonderry and
0:13:45 > 0:13:53Dundonald. In total, the scheme is expected to provide up to 3,000
0:13:53 > 0:13:56jobs in the construction industry. They couldn't come at a better time.
0:13:56 > 0:13:59Good night. The thoughts of Lindsay Allen. Cohesion, sharing and
0:13:59 > 0:14:02integration - that's the formal title of the strategy for creating
0:14:02 > 0:14:05a brave new conflict-free society in Northern ireland. But the
0:14:05 > 0:14:08initials CSI could stand for confusion, suspicion and indecision,
0:14:08 > 0:14:12given how long we're having to wait for any concrete results from the
0:14:12 > 0:14:15years of thinking and consulting that have gone into it. We were
0:14:15 > 0:14:19promised a robust high-level action plan by last December, but it seems
0:14:19 > 0:14:22as far away as ever. In a moment I'll be asking my guests where it
0:14:22 > 0:14:32all went wrong, but first Julia Paul has been assessing the state
0:14:32 > 0:14:36
0:14:36 > 0:14:41It was in 2003 when the question was asked about how community
0:14:41 > 0:14:49relations in Northern Ireland could be -- improved. There was support
0:14:49 > 0:14:54for living in a shed society. Subsequently, in 2005, the shared
0:14:54 > 0:15:02future document was published by the then Northern Ireland minister,
0:15:02 > 0:15:12John. He despised -- devised an action plan for education, housing
0:15:12 > 0:15:14
0:15:14 > 0:15:23and law and order. 2007 in 2007, a shared future was shelved. The
0:15:23 > 0:15:27strategy was known as the CSI strategy. It was due to be
0:15:27 > 0:15:34delivered instalment in 2008. It has promised for harrowing that
0:15:34 > 0:15:39year. By November, there was still no sign of it. I would like to
0:15:39 > 0:15:43dispel the notion that there was a lack of urgency. We recognise the
0:15:43 > 0:15:52importance of bringing the cohesion plan forward. Just a little bit
0:15:52 > 0:16:01more time is required. We were still waiting by the summer of 2009.
0:16:01 > 0:16:07Sir Hugh Orde's parting shot was saying that the delay in publishing
0:16:07 > 0:16:17the strategy was leaving a vacuum to perpetuate the divisions of the
0:16:17 > 0:16:21
0:16:21 > 0:16:28past. The First Minister declared... It remains one of the top policy
0:16:28 > 0:16:37priorities. Then, Sinn Fein published its own document, to the
0:16:37 > 0:16:43fury of the DUP who shelved it. Good relations are built on the
0:16:43 > 0:16:49foundation of a quality, and it cannot be built on any inequality.
0:16:49 > 0:16:55It is confusing for many people as to why the DUP would not sign up to
0:16:55 > 0:16:59it the policy of agreement that is going to tackle high crime. It is
0:16:59 > 0:17:06going to tackle sectarianism. whole concept of a shed and better
0:17:06 > 0:17:13future is based on three key principles. They were identified as
0:17:13 > 0:17:18equity, diversity and interdependence. It is about
0:17:18 > 0:17:22recognises -- recognising diversity in our society. We also have to
0:17:22 > 0:17:28have some sense of social cohesion and sharing into dependence -- into
0:17:28 > 0:17:38dependence. What Sinn Fein has done is to give the great priority into
0:17:38 > 0:17:43one of the strands, and to downgrade the the other two.
0:17:43 > 0:17:48think groups in our sexual -- sector would like to see it, and
0:17:48 > 0:17:50baking clearly bring their experience to bear. They can co-
0:17:50 > 0:17:55operate and collaborate with government to achieve the outcome
0:17:55 > 0:17:59that everyone is looking for. I think these things are linked.
0:17:59 > 0:18:05Progress on the strategy is the key demand of the Alliance Party. In
0:18:05 > 0:18:132010, Alliance leader David Ford declared the justice ministry.
0:18:13 > 0:18:19Finally, in July 2010, a draft was published of the suicide document.
0:18:19 > 0:18:23A consultation was launched on that. In May of last year, all of the
0:18:23 > 0:18:28parties were invited to nominate MLAs took form a working group to
0:18:28 > 0:18:34look at the strategy. They have been meeting on an almost weekly
0:18:34 > 0:18:38basis. To date, no formal policy has yet been agreed. We have been
0:18:39 > 0:18:43at this for seven or eight years, and that really is too long, so we
0:18:43 > 0:18:50have to show progress and we have to show the outside world but we've
0:18:50 > 0:18:56can resolve it. We in Northern Ireland are really interested in a
0:18:56 > 0:19:06much better future. It is now 20th February 12, and we are still
0:19:06 > 0:19:06
0:19:06 > 0:19:12waiting. We did it in fights people to -- invite people to join this
0:19:12 > 0:19:18debate, but we weren't able to get everyone. Six or seven years we
0:19:18 > 0:19:24have been waiting for this. Everyone is responsible for this
0:19:24 > 0:19:29delay? It is a failure of politics in this region. Reconciliation
0:19:29 > 0:19:35would be the foundation stone that we would build in the north,
0:19:35 > 0:19:39because reconciliation means prosperity. Reconciliation means
0:19:39 > 0:19:47peace and a new society. It what part of failure to you a bit too?
0:19:47 > 0:19:54think the collective failure has been to understand the vast
0:19:54 > 0:19:59majority outside the Stormont bubble, who want reconciliation. We
0:19:59 > 0:20:04should share the blame for the fact that parties, and particularly the
0:20:04 > 0:20:11two large parties, do not seem to share that reconciliation needs to
0:20:11 > 0:20:15be at the heart of government. have seen Peter Robinson go to GA
0:20:15 > 0:20:22matches. Martin McGuinness is going to Windsor Park. They are being
0:20:22 > 0:20:27defined by actions and not words. You are talking about political
0:20:27 > 0:20:31failure of leadership. That tells you something that Peter Robinson
0:20:31 > 0:20:36is trying to test a measure of reconciliation by what he is going
0:20:36 > 0:20:45to do, when the vast majority of society have moved on from where he
0:20:45 > 0:20:50is decades ago. How can you criticise the ship on one hand...
0:20:50 > 0:21:00am not sure how much leadership we have seen from those parties. The
0:21:00 > 0:21:06alliance party's key policies have been integrated with education and
0:21:06 > 0:21:12the display of flags and emblems, and we have seen delivery of --
0:21:12 > 0:21:16delivery from the Minister of Justice, and our Minister of
0:21:16 > 0:21:21Employment has looked at the teacher training system, so we are
0:21:21 > 0:21:27leading change on this issue, so we have set out our League -- clear
0:21:27 > 0:21:32priorities. You have all parties going along to these meetings, and
0:21:32 > 0:21:35it does not seem to budge an inch. What is going wrong? I think we
0:21:35 > 0:21:44need to seek the other parties stepping up to the plate on this
0:21:44 > 0:21:54issue. We have seen just a product of -- gesture politics. What are
0:21:54 > 0:21:56
0:21:56 > 0:22:04the whole DUP? We have set out our policies. You cannot be too
0:22:04 > 0:22:14discreet. We will not settle for anything less than clear delivery
0:22:14 > 0:22:14
0:22:14 > 0:22:24on the issues. Flags, for example, that is a stumbling block. What is
0:22:24 > 0:22:28the problem? Every year, we seek flags displayed in a way that our
0:22:28 > 0:22:34seen to be causing intimidation. We need to agree a framework on West.
0:22:34 > 0:22:40I know what the pros -- problem is. I don't know why they can't resolve
0:22:40 > 0:22:45this. Why is it that such a stumbling block? Then these to be a
0:22:45 > 0:22:49regulatory framework. Can you tell ask why they are not agreeing?
0:22:49 > 0:22:57work of the committee is incompetence, but I can say this
0:22:57 > 0:23:03much. I think flags are eight touchstone issue for many people in
0:23:03 > 0:23:08our society. I think many people dislike the fact that flags are
0:23:08 > 0:23:13used to mark out territory, and they are used by people with a
0:23:13 > 0:23:21sinister outlook. The interesting thing, and the Test of whether we
0:23:21 > 0:23:28are able to work, is whether it is able to face up to the need,
0:23:28 > 0:23:31whether it is courageous on things like housing. 90 % of all social
0:23:31 > 0:23:37housing has been segregated. You would think that the government
0:23:37 > 0:23:44would want to lead the way, but it needs to be able to face up to
0:23:44 > 0:23:51society's needs. They need to deal with things like victims.
0:23:51 > 0:24:01Government at the highest level... Yes, they are going to turn up to
0:24:01 > 0:24:03
0:24:03 > 0:24:13see the Queen, but... They'd don't think that suicide should dwell on
0:24:13 > 0:24:17
0:24:17 > 0:24:25Many consultation responses put forward constructive ideas.
0:24:25 > 0:24:31document said that the CSI should not spend as much time on the past.
0:24:31 > 0:24:37Of course, we have to put together policies on a shared future, but we
0:24:37 > 0:24:41need a comprehensive mechanism. do we have to have this aura of
0:24:41 > 0:24:45confidentiality and secrecy about this committee? Why can't we know
0:24:45 > 0:24:51what is going on and cook is causing the stumbling blocks?
0:24:51 > 0:24:59is no 60 on where the Alliance Party stand on this issue. It is a
0:24:59 > 0:25:06massive priority. The cost of division has been set at �1 billion.
0:25:06 > 0:25:12The discussions have been bound by confidentiality. The specifics of
0:25:12 > 0:25:18the working group are contained in the working group. We need to
0:25:18 > 0:25:22discuss this issue in public. We want to see it discussed. That is a
0:25:22 > 0:25:27question that you need to have with the two parties you don't want to
0:25:27 > 0:25:32have a public debate. We can address this incompetence, but we
0:25:32 > 0:25:35need to talk that it in public. He would have thought where we are
0:25:35 > 0:25:44with our peace process is that this is a debate that we should be happy
0:25:44 > 0:25:48Enrique -- happening. We want to agree every what -- involve
0:25:48 > 0:25:56everyone in our society, rather than block it away in a corner room
0:25:56 > 0:26:01instalment. It is not a question we can answer, but I hope where be get
0:26:02 > 0:26:08to the point where we get agreement, I do hope that we are able to put
0:26:08 > 0:26:18that out for further debate. big parties agree -- accuse the
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0:26:26 > 0:26:33SDLP of point scoring, is that delaying things again? I can't see
0:26:33 > 0:26:40how holding Ministers to account is point-scoring. Stormont is
0:26:40 > 0:26:45beginning to behave like is unaccountable. It is the job of the
0:26:45 > 0:26:52ministers to do it. It looks like they are being disloyal to society.
0:26:52 > 0:26:56What we need is an open culture, where people can debate it openly,
0:26:56 > 0:27:01and we should be debating reconciliation. On reconciliation,
0:27:01 > 0:27:11we build the new society, we build a better future. Is this so
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0:27:18 > 0:27:28important anyway? It talks about so many strategies. With all that
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0:27:28 > 0:27:33going on, who needs CSI?! We need a robust document to deal with key
0:27:34 > 0:27:39issues, peace walls, flags. These are important issues to society.
0:27:39 > 0:27:46They affect our economy and social interaction. This is a priority
0:27:46 > 0:27:50issue. The Community Relations Council did all that. It was set up
0:27:50 > 0:27:55and it wasn't given the powers it should have been given. They have
0:27:55 > 0:28:00spent the last three years trying to demolish it. What we do need is
0:28:00 > 0:28:06a very robust independent body, they can call it as it is when it
0:28:06 > 0:28:13comes to government's response to sectarianism. Wendy you think there
0:28:13 > 0:28:20will be a resolution? We will try and get it as soon as possible.
0:28:20 > 0:28:30Give me a date. A I hope is soon, but the news to be right. We will
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0:28:41 > 0:28:51be back next week. -- I hope it is I need a really good discussion
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0:28:52 > 0:29:02about politics. The big question is do taxi fares need to be increased?
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