0:00:04 > 0:00:07Between now and June the 8th, I'm going to be travelling
0:00:07 > 0:00:13the country trying to see how different groups of voters
0:00:13 > 0:00:16are making up their minds who to support in the general election.
0:00:16 > 0:00:19First stop, this pub in Halifax, where we're talking
0:00:19 > 0:00:21to people who voted Leave in the EU referendum.
0:00:21 > 0:00:22Working-class voters here.
0:00:22 > 0:00:24Many of them would have had a traditional link
0:00:24 > 0:00:26to the Labour Party, some, maybe have defected to Ukip,
0:00:26 > 0:00:29others may be considering the jump all the way to supporting
0:00:29 > 0:00:37the Conservative Party.
0:00:37 > 0:00:39Now, we've recruited this group of voters with the help
0:00:39 > 0:00:42of the opinion pollsters Ipsos Mori, and we want to try to get some
0:00:42 > 0:00:46answers to my questions.
0:00:46 > 0:00:56Let's go in for the first of my election takeaways.
0:00:57 > 0:01:00We're here above a pub in Halifax.
0:01:00 > 0:01:06It may look a bit like a church because this is no ordinary pub.
0:01:06 > 0:01:09This is actually the place where the Halifax Building
0:01:09 > 0:01:10Society was founded, hence the oak panels
0:01:10 > 0:01:13and the stained-glass windows, and we're here to talk
0:01:13 > 0:01:15about politics and have a bit of a curry.
0:01:15 > 0:01:17I just want to get a sense of people here.
0:01:17 > 0:01:26When you're thinking about how to vote in this election,
0:01:26 > 0:01:29how big a factor, if any - it may not be at all -
0:01:29 > 0:01:30is that Brexit decision?
0:01:30 > 0:01:33Is that going to affect how you vote or is it over?
0:01:33 > 0:01:34No, it's not over.
0:01:34 > 0:01:38It's going to affect how I vote , because I voted to come out.
0:01:38 > 0:01:40I think the Conservatives will definitely go down the Brexit route.
0:01:40 > 0:01:46Yes?
0:01:46 > 0:01:48I think, if Labour get in there's a possibility
0:01:48 > 0:01:51they will try for another referendum and change at all.
0:01:51 > 0:01:52So you're a bit nervous, John.
0:01:52 > 0:01:53A little bit, yes.
0:01:53 > 0:01:55It's not over as far as you're concerned?
0:01:55 > 0:01:56No, not yet, no.
0:01:56 > 0:01:58To me it's only just starting, really.
0:01:58 > 0:01:59I think it is over.
0:01:59 > 0:02:00OK?
0:02:00 > 0:02:03I think even if Labour get in and call for another referendum,
0:02:03 > 0:02:06I think the public will vote exactly the same way again.
0:02:06 > 0:02:09I think the vote would still go the same way so it doesn't worry me.
0:02:09 > 0:02:12John is a bit worried that if the wrong party gets in now,
0:02:12 > 0:02:14maybe it will all start again.
0:02:14 > 0:02:15Do you think so?
0:02:15 > 0:02:20No, no.
0:02:20 > 0:02:22So you can vote for who you like in the election,
0:02:22 > 0:02:24you don't have to worry about...
0:02:24 > 0:02:26No, and I think even if there was another referendum,
0:02:26 > 0:02:30I think the public would vote exactly the same way, I don't think
0:02:30 > 0:02:31it would alter the decision.
0:02:31 > 0:02:32Tony, yeah?
0:02:32 > 0:02:33I totally agree.
0:02:33 > 0:02:35I think the public feel a bit cheated, to tell
0:02:35 > 0:02:36you the truth, if anything.
0:02:36 > 0:02:39It's almost like saying to your kid, do your school day, school
0:02:39 > 0:02:42sports day, you come last, it's all about taking part.
0:02:42 > 0:02:45No, it's not, it's about winning, there's got to be a winner,
0:02:45 > 0:02:46there's got to be a loser.
0:02:46 > 0:02:47And when it's done it's done?
0:02:47 > 0:02:49And when it's done it's done, yes, exactly.
0:02:49 > 0:02:56You know, they're dragging their heels, aren't they?
0:02:56 > 0:02:57Who's "they"?
0:02:57 > 0:02:58Theresa May.
0:02:58 > 0:02:59She's dragging her heels?
0:02:59 > 0:03:00I think she's dragging her heels.
0:03:00 > 0:03:03I don't think her heart is in leaving Brexit,
0:03:03 > 0:03:05and I think all them sat on the bench going, "Oooh,"
0:03:05 > 0:03:07like that, I just think there...
0:03:07 > 0:03:16How can I put it?
0:03:16 > 0:03:18I'll believe it when I see it.
0:03:18 > 0:03:20It's not concrete and it's not set in stone.
0:03:20 > 0:03:23And I believe in black or white, in the sense of, you know,
0:03:23 > 0:03:26don't go round the houses.
0:03:26 > 0:03:30And you see, there's a big north and south divide, you know?
0:03:30 > 0:03:33You people down south - I don't mean you, Nick, but...
0:03:33 > 0:03:34LAUGHTER.
0:03:34 > 0:03:35You know...
0:03:35 > 0:03:41Phew!
0:03:41 > 0:03:43You're working-class, we don't live in fancy houses,
0:03:43 > 0:03:53million pound houses and half ?1 million houses.
0:03:53 > 0:03:54That's interesting.
0:03:54 > 0:03:56You think the worry is that people who do have the money...
0:03:56 > 0:03:57Yes.
0:03:57 > 0:03:59You think that Europe will...
0:03:59 > 0:04:01They think about themselves, money, money, money, money.
0:04:01 > 0:04:02You think they want to overturn the referendum?
0:04:02 > 0:04:04Yes, I do.
0:04:04 > 0:04:06I just...
0:04:06 > 0:04:08I think the public, we have spoken, we've said what we want,
0:04:08 > 0:04:10and I think even if, like I said, another
0:04:10 > 0:04:12referendum was called, it would go exactly
0:04:12 > 0:04:13the same way.
0:04:13 > 0:04:16There is so many people that want out, and like Tracy said,
0:04:16 > 0:04:19I think it is the people with money that benefit from staying in.
0:04:19 > 0:04:22But what Tracy is saying to you is, the rich people, they'll turn
0:04:22 > 0:04:25this around if they can, they'll find a way.
0:04:25 > 0:04:25No.
0:04:25 > 0:04:26You don't think so?
0:04:26 > 0:04:27No.
0:04:27 > 0:04:31I wonder what the future of Ukip is if we are going to be out...
0:04:31 > 0:04:33Well, we're going to be out, so...
0:04:33 > 0:04:35They lost really badly in the local elections.
0:04:35 > 0:04:36Yes.
0:04:36 > 0:04:37Do you care?
0:04:37 > 0:04:42I don't know.
0:04:42 > 0:04:45Let me let you into a secret.
0:04:45 > 0:04:47You all voted Leave, that's why you're here.
0:04:47 > 0:04:49We chose you because you were Leave voters.
0:04:49 > 0:04:51And you want to know why we voted Leave?
0:04:51 > 0:04:54No, we want to know whether that affects how you will
0:04:54 > 0:04:58vote in the election.
0:04:58 > 0:04:59For you, not?
0:04:59 > 0:05:00No.
0:05:00 > 0:05:03I'll tell you how it works.
0:05:03 > 0:05:12It's what we get out of it, us working class people get out of it.
0:05:12 > 0:05:14And at the moment we're not getting anything.
0:05:14 > 0:05:16Yes, that's the only thing swaying my vote
0:05:16 > 0:05:18is what policies are in place, what are they going
0:05:18 > 0:05:21to do with the NHS, what are they going to do
0:05:21 > 0:05:22with housing, disabled services.
0:05:22 > 0:05:23It's things like that.
0:05:23 > 0:05:24That's more important?
0:05:24 > 0:05:25That's far more important, yes.
0:05:25 > 0:05:26Do you agree?
0:05:26 > 0:05:28Yes, yes.
0:05:28 > 0:05:32Because I work in the public sector, I see it hands on, every day.
0:05:32 > 0:05:37I see the impact it has on families, young people...
0:05:37 > 0:05:41Did anybody vote Ukip before?
0:05:41 > 0:05:42Almost.
0:05:42 > 0:05:43Almost?
0:05:43 > 0:05:44Yes.
0:05:44 > 0:05:50It was down to the wire, wasn't it, you know?
0:05:50 > 0:05:53There were just one or two things that didn't sit right with me.
0:05:53 > 0:05:54But did you get...
0:05:54 > 0:05:56How far did you get, were you there with the ballot
0:05:57 > 0:05:57paper and your pencil...?
0:05:57 > 0:06:00I got to the front door, put it that way.
0:06:00 > 0:06:01Really?
0:06:01 > 0:06:03Yes, it was that close, and it was literally
0:06:03 > 0:06:04a three-minute mindset change.
0:06:04 > 0:06:05I just thought...
0:06:05 > 0:06:08I had to give my head a bit of a wobble.
0:06:08 > 0:06:09LAUGHTER.
0:06:09 > 0:06:10Anybody else get close?
0:06:10 > 0:06:11No.
0:06:11 > 0:06:12No.
0:06:12 > 0:06:13Didn't feel right for you?
0:06:13 > 0:06:14No.
0:06:14 > 0:06:15No?
0:06:15 > 0:06:17Well, I'm seriously thinking of voting Ukip this time.
0:06:17 > 0:06:19This time, but you haven't before?
0:06:19 > 0:06:19No.
0:06:19 > 0:06:20That's interesting.
0:06:20 > 0:06:22Yes.
0:06:22 > 0:06:24So somebody's got to negotiate this deal.
0:06:24 > 0:06:26What sort of qualities do we need to see in the person
0:06:27 > 0:06:29negotiating the deal?
0:06:29 > 0:06:33Let's just throw out some words, what sort of words?
0:06:33 > 0:06:34Somebody who is strong.
0:06:34 > 0:06:35Strong.
0:06:35 > 0:06:39Who's going to try and get the best deal for Britain when we come out,
0:06:39 > 0:06:41and who's not going to take the 85 billion euros
0:06:41 > 0:06:42bill they throw at us.
0:06:42 > 0:06:43Kerry?
0:06:43 > 0:06:44Confident.
0:06:44 > 0:06:45Confident?
0:06:45 > 0:06:46Not easily led.
0:06:46 > 0:06:47Nicola?
0:06:47 > 0:06:49Trustworthy.
0:06:49 > 0:06:51Strong.
0:06:51 > 0:06:52That's a good one.
0:06:52 > 0:06:55When they make a decision they have to stay there.
0:06:55 > 0:06:56Yes.
0:06:56 > 0:06:57You said trustworthy, as well.
0:06:57 > 0:06:59Yes, he said confident but then when you said
0:06:59 > 0:07:00trustworthy, that's a good one.
0:07:00 > 0:07:02Nigel Farage.
0:07:02 > 0:07:03Farage?
0:07:03 > 0:07:06Yes, well he's staying in Europe, isn't he, to make sure we get
0:07:06 > 0:07:10a decent deal when we come out.
0:07:10 > 0:07:20Do you wish he was in their...
0:07:21 > 0:07:23Do you wish he was in there?
0:07:23 > 0:07:25While he stays there, giving them what for, yes.
0:07:25 > 0:07:27So you'd vote for Ukip, then?
0:07:27 > 0:07:28Possibly not vote for Ukip.
0:07:28 > 0:07:30I think Farage is OK, and I think he wants
0:07:30 > 0:07:31what's best for Britain.
0:07:31 > 0:07:34I think we need somebody that doesn't exist at the moment.
0:07:34 > 0:07:36Somebody that's got a bit of backbone, somebody who's not
0:07:36 > 0:07:40frightened to say what they want and to say the people
0:07:40 > 0:07:43frightened to say what they want and to say what the people
0:07:43 > 0:07:44are believing in, and...
0:07:44 > 0:07:46You know, not getting all excited and overly upset
0:07:46 > 0:07:48about upsetting the PC people, you know?
0:07:48 > 0:07:50Politically correct?
0:07:50 > 0:07:52Yes.
0:07:52 > 0:07:55There's too much of it at the moment, so we need
0:07:55 > 0:07:58somebody that's a realist, somebody that's going to listen
0:07:58 > 0:08:04to the people and take what the people have spoken.
0:08:04 > 0:08:05Somebody who understands the needs of somebody
0:08:05 > 0:08:08from a working-class background, not somebody born with a silver
0:08:08 > 0:08:09spoon in their mouth.
0:08:09 > 0:08:11I don't think there's anybody at the moment.
0:08:11 > 0:08:13They don't exist.
0:08:13 > 0:08:17It has to be practical, like I said to you.
0:08:17 > 0:08:23They don't come out, practically, and give
0:08:23 > 0:08:26people what they need, actually, they just randomly check
0:08:26 > 0:08:28you or go on the paper, this is what people say,
0:08:28 > 0:08:30but they don't go out, basically.
0:08:30 > 0:08:33A practical person, I would say that is the person.
0:08:33 > 0:08:36So not someone who talks too much, somebody who's got a plan?
0:08:36 > 0:08:38A plan and practical.
0:08:38 > 0:08:40Are there no leading politicians in Britain who speak
0:08:40 > 0:08:42for the working class?
0:08:42 > 0:08:43Jeremy Corbyn.
0:08:43 > 0:08:44He does?
0:08:44 > 0:08:45He does, yes.
0:08:45 > 0:08:49Yes, he's definitely the most down to earth, the most...
0:08:49 > 0:08:52The biggest realist out of them all, I think, and probably the most
0:08:52 > 0:08:55trustworthy out of them all.
0:08:55 > 0:08:58I wouldn't trust any of them in particular,
0:08:58 > 0:09:03but I think he comes across as the most trustworthy one.
0:09:03 > 0:09:05He gets slated a lot, doesn't he?
0:09:05 > 0:09:07He does, but he takes it, though, and he just
0:09:07 > 0:09:09carries on and carries on.
0:09:09 > 0:09:11Anybody else like Jeremy Corbyn?
0:09:11 > 0:09:12No?
0:09:12 > 0:09:13Not sure?
0:09:13 > 0:09:15Just me, on my own!
0:09:15 > 0:09:19LAUGHTER.
0:09:19 > 0:09:20Nobody said Theresa May?
0:09:20 > 0:09:23I tell you now, I voted Labour the past few times,
0:09:23 > 0:09:25but I honestly don't know if I will vote Labour
0:09:25 > 0:09:26again this time.
0:09:26 > 0:09:27Why?
0:09:27 > 0:09:30They just seem like they're doing round turns on themselves.
0:09:30 > 0:09:33A lot of in-house arguing, can't seem to get their own house
0:09:33 > 0:09:37in order, and if that's the state of their house, well, I don't want
0:09:37 > 0:09:38them coming to my house, sorry!
0:09:38 > 0:09:39LAUGHTER.
0:09:39 > 0:09:42I'm the same, to be honest, I'm undecided, I don't know
0:09:42 > 0:09:44which way I'm going to go.
0:09:44 > 0:09:47I have voted Labour the last couple of times, but...
0:09:47 > 0:09:55What's making you hesitate?
0:09:55 > 0:09:56Theresa May.
0:09:56 > 0:09:58She annoys me a bit, but Corbyn annoys me,
0:09:58 > 0:10:00so I'm a bit like...
0:10:00 > 0:10:01They are your main two, aren't they, really?
0:10:01 > 0:10:02Yes.
0:10:02 > 0:10:04Historically, as in previous generations of your family,
0:10:04 > 0:10:06did anybody vote...
0:10:06 > 0:10:08My dad's family was brought up Labour, Mum's family
0:10:08 > 0:10:09was brought up Conservative.
0:10:09 > 0:10:15That's like mine, yes.
0:10:15 > 0:10:18Catholic and Church of England, and I have never had any pressure
0:10:18 > 0:10:20on me to make a decision either way, so...
0:10:20 > 0:10:23I just wondered if sometimes people vote...
0:10:23 > 0:10:24Like their mum and dad?
0:10:24 > 0:10:25Generational.
0:10:25 > 0:10:28The problem with Corbyn to me, is, he doesn't have the charisma.
0:10:28 > 0:10:30He reminds me of somebody from the 1970s, like Michael foot
0:10:30 > 0:10:33He reminds me of somebody from the 1970s, like Michael Foot
0:10:33 > 0:10:36or an old Labour MP that's nice and cuddly, but he's
0:10:36 > 0:10:37got no charisma for me.
0:10:37 > 0:10:38Or he hasn't got enough charisma.
0:10:38 > 0:10:42So I couldn't vote for him, personally.
0:10:42 > 0:10:45Plus a lot of the Labour MPs, I can think of three,
0:10:45 > 0:10:49Corbyn, Diane Abbott and...
0:10:49 > 0:10:51In fact, I can't remember three, I can remember two.
0:10:51 > 0:10:53It's like a homogenous group and I don't even
0:10:53 > 0:10:54know who anybody years.
0:10:54 > 0:10:55know who anybody is.
0:10:55 > 0:10:57Nobody said anything good about Theresa May.
0:10:57 > 0:10:58Does anybody think she's good?
0:10:58 > 0:10:59I think she's all right.
0:10:59 > 0:11:07I think we can't blame a single person, though.
0:11:07 > 0:11:09It's not Theresa May's decision.
0:11:09 > 0:11:10If she's doing something obviously she is discussing
0:11:10 > 0:11:13with all the party members everything, then she can
0:11:13 > 0:11:14make the decision.
0:11:14 > 0:11:17We can't say in the Labour Party, that person is going
0:11:17 > 0:11:20to be a strong person.
0:11:20 > 0:11:23Do you like Theresa May, then?
0:11:23 > 0:11:24Not personally, I'm married!
0:11:24 > 0:11:33LAUGHTER.
0:11:33 > 0:11:35Has anybody heard the slogan they use a lot about Theresa May?
0:11:35 > 0:11:38She is strong and stable, that's what they keep saying.
0:11:38 > 0:11:40You're saying you've not heard that?
0:11:40 > 0:11:41No.
0:11:41 > 0:11:42No?
0:11:42 > 0:11:43Does that ring true?
0:11:43 > 0:11:44No.
0:11:44 > 0:11:46You don't think she's strong or stable, I mean,
0:11:46 > 0:11:47or the Tory government?
0:11:47 > 0:11:48No.
0:11:48 > 0:11:49And you don't.
0:11:49 > 0:11:50No, I don't.
0:11:50 > 0:11:52And the main reason you sounded upset...
0:11:52 > 0:11:57Yes?
0:11:57 > 0:12:01Was you thought they'd backed down, Tracy, on immigration.
0:12:01 > 0:12:04Yes, she's backed down, hasn't she?
0:12:04 > 0:12:05She has backed down.
0:12:05 > 0:12:06How?
0:12:06 > 0:12:10She says one thing, she says, oh, yes, we'll do it, you know,
0:12:10 > 0:12:12will close the borders, blah blah blah, and now,
0:12:12 > 0:12:15she is now turning round and saying, oh, well we'll let 10,000 in.
0:12:15 > 0:12:17That's 10,000 more kids for our schools, for our
0:12:17 > 0:12:18homes, for our NHS...
0:12:18 > 0:12:24No.
0:12:24 > 0:12:26What do you think on immigration?
0:12:26 > 0:12:29Tracy is really bothered that you should try to get it down
0:12:29 > 0:12:30to nil, really, aren't you?
0:12:30 > 0:12:31Nil.
0:12:31 > 0:12:34What do you think?
0:12:34 > 0:12:39Obviously I'm worried about it as well, no doubt about it.
0:12:39 > 0:12:42We people working here pay taxes and people that come from outside...
0:12:42 > 0:12:43Basically...
0:12:43 > 0:12:45Basically they get everything that we, basically,
0:12:45 > 0:12:48the people who live here, deserve it, but they get more
0:12:48 > 0:12:58things, but we don't, actually, and we pay taxes for themselves.
0:13:01 > 0:13:04You pay for it?
0:13:04 > 0:13:11They should only get...
0:13:11 > 0:13:14We are working and the tax we pay pays for them,
0:13:14 > 0:13:16for the last that are allowed in the country.
0:13:16 > 0:13:17So you want...
0:13:17 > 0:13:18So you want...?
0:13:18 > 0:13:21But some of the workers that come over are really hard workers
0:13:21 > 0:13:23and will do what some of our unemployed won't do.
0:13:23 > 0:13:26I don't think it's necessary then that's the problem,
0:13:26 > 0:13:30I don't think it's necessary them that's the problem,
0:13:30 > 0:13:33them who come over and they work and they integrate with society.
0:13:33 > 0:13:35I think it's the immigrants that come over and don't work,
0:13:35 > 0:13:38you know, take up the housing and the benefits, and locally it's
0:13:38 > 0:13:40definitely a problem.
0:13:40 > 0:13:41What is, sorry?
0:13:41 > 0:13:42Immigration.
0:13:42 > 0:13:43Definitely in this area.
0:13:43 > 0:13:45Because?
0:13:45 > 0:13:49There's so many about are not working, they take up
0:13:49 > 0:13:50the housing, crime...
0:13:50 > 0:13:57Crime is a big issue in Calderdale.
0:13:57 > 0:13:59You sound like you're saying to us, hold on,
0:13:59 > 0:14:00Nicola, you're saying, remember that immigrants
0:14:00 > 0:14:05are important.
0:14:05 > 0:14:09The ones who do want to come across, I've got friends and family who work
0:14:09 > 0:14:12abroad, and it's tit for tat kind of thing, but some services over
0:14:12 > 0:14:14here cost double the amount because we need
0:14:14 > 0:14:19interpreters to support them.
0:14:19 > 0:14:21Because you work in the public sector?
0:14:21 > 0:14:22I do, yes.
0:14:22 > 0:14:24Let's just do a couple of other issues.
0:14:24 > 0:14:26What other issues?
0:14:26 > 0:14:31A few of you have mentioned the NHS, John, you mention the NHS.
0:14:31 > 0:14:33Yes.
0:14:33 > 0:14:36I think we pay VAT to Europe, couldn't we pay VAT when we come out
0:14:36 > 0:14:40of Europe and put it into the NHS and education and stuff like that?
0:14:40 > 0:14:44Still pay VAT that use it for our own benefit
0:14:44 > 0:14:46rather than paying it into the bureaucracy of Europe?
0:14:46 > 0:14:48I think that would be a good idea.
0:14:48 > 0:14:52That is the NHS important enough?
0:14:52 > 0:14:53But is the NHS important enough?
0:14:53 > 0:14:54They say that the issue.
0:14:54 > 0:15:01Just go with the party that gets that right for me.
0:15:01 > 0:15:03That's one of the main issues, I think.
0:15:03 > 0:15:04Yes.
0:15:04 > 0:15:07I think getting out of the EU is a very important thing because it
0:15:07 > 0:15:09gives us our own sovereignty and we can determine
0:15:09 > 0:15:12our own borders, who comes here, also we determine how our money
0:15:12 > 0:15:15is spent on what we need in this county rather than paying,
0:15:15 > 0:15:18what is it, ?45 million a day to be in Europe,
0:15:18 > 0:15:19something like that,
0:15:19 > 0:15:22so we could benefit from that a lot more than people
0:15:22 > 0:15:23in Europe, you know?
0:15:23 > 0:15:25I want to ask you to think about the parties, OK?
0:15:25 > 0:15:28So, when you think of the Tory party, what do you think?
0:15:28 > 0:15:31Snobs.
0:15:31 > 0:15:33Yes, more for posh people.
0:15:33 > 0:15:34Boys' club.
0:15:34 > 0:15:36Yes.
0:15:36 > 0:15:41Jolly boys' club, funny handshake society.
0:15:41 > 0:15:42Is it Eton, they've all been to Eton?
0:15:43 > 0:15:44They're all private.
0:15:44 > 0:15:46You said you were thinking of voting for the?
0:15:46 > 0:15:47Yes, I am, yes.
0:15:47 > 0:15:50I mean, I went to grammar school but that's by the by.
0:15:50 > 0:15:51But yes, I'm thinking of voting for them,
0:15:52 > 0:15:52because Labour just don't...
0:15:52 > 0:15:55They leave me cold at the minute, sorry, but they just do.
0:15:55 > 0:16:01Anthony, I got the impression you might...
0:16:01 > 0:16:02It's possible, anything is possible.
0:16:02 > 0:16:04You might vote for all these posh Old Etonians?
0:16:04 > 0:16:05No, I don't...
0:16:05 > 0:16:08If they tick all the boxes I'm looking for...
0:16:08 > 0:16:10You will hold your nose and do it anyway?
0:16:10 > 0:16:13I will do what needs to be done, you know, because it's...
0:16:13 > 0:16:16Like I say, if they tick my boxes, well then, I'm sorry if somebody
0:16:16 > 0:16:19else doesn't feel the same, but hey ho, that's what politics is.
0:16:19 > 0:16:20OK.
0:16:20 > 0:16:22Anybody want to have another word on the Tories?
0:16:22 > 0:16:25What about Labour, then, what words come to mind on Labour?
0:16:25 > 0:16:27Undecided.
0:16:27 > 0:16:29Labour?
0:16:29 > 0:16:30I think for the workers.
0:16:30 > 0:16:31For the workers?
0:16:31 > 0:16:34For the working class.
0:16:34 > 0:16:36I don't think they are for the working class.
0:16:36 > 0:16:38Do you not?
0:16:38 > 0:16:41No, I think they're for anybody who will vote for them.
0:16:41 > 0:16:43How soon do you think they'll actually...
0:16:43 > 0:16:45Because you all voted Labour.
0:16:45 > 0:16:47Because you all voted Leave.
0:16:47 > 0:16:49How soon do you think we will be actually out, totally out?
0:16:49 > 0:16:50Two years.
0:16:50 > 0:16:52Two years and we're out?
0:16:52 > 0:16:53I think 2018, actually, end of 2018.
0:16:53 > 0:16:56But if Theresa May says we're going to phase it
0:16:56 > 0:16:57and take our time to get out...
0:16:57 > 0:16:59Yes, it'll be five years, I reckon.
0:16:59 > 0:17:00Five?
0:17:00 > 0:17:01But why phase it?
0:17:01 > 0:17:03It is what it is, let's have some backbone, right,
0:17:03 > 0:17:05Brussels, up yours, sunshine, two finger salute,
0:17:05 > 0:17:06Brussels, up yours, sunshine, two-finger salute,
0:17:07 > 0:17:07long live the Queen.
0:17:07 > 0:17:09Yes.
0:17:09 > 0:17:10You know, and crack on with it.
0:17:10 > 0:17:13I get a sense, Nicola, sorry to look at you again,
0:17:13 > 0:17:15but I get the sense, Nicola, there's a chance
0:17:15 > 0:17:16you might not vote at all.
0:17:16 > 0:17:18I've had times when I haven't voted.
0:17:18 > 0:17:21Anyone else think they might not vote?
0:17:21 > 0:17:22No.
0:17:22 > 0:17:31Definitely not?
0:17:31 > 0:17:32You'll efinitely vote?
0:17:32 > 0:17:33I think I will, yes.
0:17:33 > 0:17:35It's a shame to waste your vote, isn't it?
0:17:35 > 0:17:38I think it's the criticism you get, it's kind of the PC thing,
0:17:38 > 0:17:40isn't it, when you get...
0:17:40 > 0:17:41It's one of those things that...
0:17:41 > 0:17:44You don't actually say who you voted for because you going to be
0:17:44 > 0:17:45criticised either way.
0:17:45 > 0:17:48I just choose not to vote sometimes because I really don't know
0:17:48 > 0:17:52who to vote for and I felt it was a wasted vote if I vote
0:17:52 > 0:17:54for somebody and counteract somebody else when you don't know
0:17:54 > 0:17:55what you're doing.
0:17:55 > 0:17:58Just do this word game when you shout out some words.
0:17:58 > 0:17:59So I'm going to say Theresa May.
0:17:59 > 0:18:00What you of her?
0:18:00 > 0:18:02Weak.
0:18:02 > 0:18:03Weak?
0:18:03 > 0:18:04A liar.
0:18:04 > 0:18:07I think it's quite good that the country is led by a few
0:18:07 > 0:18:10females, we've got, obviously, the Queen...
0:18:10 > 0:18:12Even if you don't like her, do you think she's strong?
0:18:12 > 0:18:13Yes.
0:18:13 > 0:18:17I think she's a bit of a battle-axe but I think she's quite
0:18:17 > 0:18:18a strong person, yes.
0:18:18 > 0:18:19I think she's stronger than Corbyn, I'm sorry.
0:18:19 > 0:18:20Ashley?
0:18:20 > 0:18:23Yes, even though I don't particularly like her,
0:18:23 > 0:18:26I think she has to be strong to have got where she is, she,
0:18:26 > 0:18:28today, even though she's a replacement, isn't she?
0:18:28 > 0:18:33She wasn't voted in.
0:18:33 > 0:18:36Some words about Corbyn, what do you think of when I say Corbyn?
0:18:36 > 0:18:38A wet blanket.
0:18:38 > 0:18:40I think a bit of a snake.
0:18:40 > 0:18:41Ashley?
0:18:41 > 0:18:42Annoying!
0:18:42 > 0:18:44LAUGHTER.
0:18:44 > 0:18:45I can't say anything, you know?
0:18:45 > 0:18:46No words?
0:18:46 > 0:18:47No.
0:18:47 > 0:18:51Nicola?
0:18:51 > 0:18:54No personal opinion because I don't really tend to watch much about him
0:18:54 > 0:18:57but he hasn't got a very good reputation when it comes
0:18:57 > 0:19:01to what you do read about and think about him.
0:19:01 > 0:19:04comes to what you do read about and hear about him.
0:19:04 > 0:19:05Insipid.
0:19:05 > 0:19:06He's for the people.
0:19:06 > 0:19:07That's not a word!
0:19:07 > 0:19:08Sorry.
0:19:08 > 0:19:09LAUGHTER.
0:19:09 > 0:19:10It's not, is it?
0:19:10 > 0:19:11No!
0:19:11 > 0:19:12You feel strongly about this.
0:19:12 > 0:19:13Yes, I do, yes.
0:19:13 > 0:19:16I think Labour have created a mess and I think they should come
0:19:16 > 0:19:18back in and clear it up.
0:19:18 > 0:19:28They'll make a bigger mess.
0:19:28 > 0:19:30I don't think they will, I think they'll right their wrongs
0:19:30 > 0:19:32that they created in the first place.
0:19:32 > 0:19:34Does anybody speak for the working class in politics?
0:19:34 > 0:19:35Not really.
0:19:35 > 0:19:43Not even you...
0:19:43 > 0:19:45Not even you, and you believe in Jeremy Corbyn!
0:19:45 > 0:19:48I do, I think out of all of them, it's definitely him,
0:19:48 > 0:19:49but I don't think...
0:19:49 > 0:19:51I think they've all come from privileged backgrounds
0:19:51 > 0:19:54to get to where they are, and I think none of them have ever
0:19:54 > 0:19:57lived on a council estate or have ever lived off benefits all come
0:19:57 > 0:19:58from single-parent families.
0:19:58 > 0:20:01None of them have ever queued in a food bank, you know...
0:20:01 > 0:20:03That is what politicians lack, I think.
0:20:03 > 0:20:04They lack that...
0:20:04 > 0:20:05Experience.
0:20:05 > 0:20:06Yes, the experience.
0:20:06 > 0:20:07On the ground.
0:20:07 > 0:20:08Nicola, you're a single mum.
0:20:08 > 0:20:11Do you have that sense of people not having had the life
0:20:11 > 0:20:12experience that you had?
0:20:12 > 0:20:14I think I've...
0:20:14 > 0:20:18I've been brought up by a 2.4 family, but I work in fields
0:20:18 > 0:20:28where they are mainly from vulnerable families.
0:20:28 > 0:20:31Youth offending, domestic violence, and a lot of the families I work
0:20:31 > 0:20:35with, they don't vote, either.
0:20:35 > 0:20:37Because, you think, they think politicians are other
0:20:37 > 0:20:41people, not like us?
0:20:41 > 0:20:43Yes, I think they think they're just not like us, yes.
0:20:43 > 0:20:46They don't vote because it doesn't make a difference to them.
0:20:46 > 0:20:51Yes.
0:20:51 > 0:20:52That's the point.
0:20:52 > 0:20:53If it changed anything, they'd ban it!
0:20:54 > 0:20:57LAUGHTER.
0:20:57 > 0:20:59All they're interested in most probably is how much my pint
0:20:59 > 0:21:02is going to be and how much it's going up, petrol
0:21:02 > 0:21:03and a packet of fags!
0:21:03 > 0:21:04Yes.
0:21:04 > 0:21:05But are they wrong?
0:21:05 > 0:21:07Well, no, it is their main thing, isn't it?
0:21:07 > 0:21:10That's the first, oh, what's it gone up, oh, tax, well...!
0:21:10 > 0:21:13I remember my mum watching the news just to see how much a packet
0:21:14 > 0:21:15of fags had gone up by.
0:21:15 > 0:21:19She'd never voted in her life but that's what she used to watch.
0:21:19 > 0:21:23How much it had gone up by.
0:21:23 > 0:21:25Growing up now, I do think that isn't the main issue.
0:21:26 > 0:21:26There are bigger things!
0:21:26 > 0:21:32Yes, there are bigger things in life!
0:21:32 > 0:21:34Some of the families I work with, they don't overspend,
0:21:34 > 0:21:35but they are very poor.
0:21:35 > 0:21:37They live hand to mouth.
0:21:37 > 0:21:38Yes.
0:21:38 > 0:21:41And...
0:21:41 > 0:21:47There is quite a big rich-poor divide at the minute, I think.
0:21:47 > 0:21:49Well, thank you very much, thank you to Kerry, John,
0:21:49 > 0:21:51Nicola, Anthony, Ashley, Irfan and Tracy, thanks very much
0:21:51 > 0:21:52for sharing your views.
0:21:52 > 0:21:55Now, no small group of people, even though they've been chosen
0:21:55 > 0:21:58by the pollsters Ipsos Mori, can ever tell you how any one
0:21:58 > 0:22:00constituency will vote, let alone how the whole country
0:22:00 > 0:22:03will vote, but what they can do is put the flesh on the bones
0:22:03 > 0:22:06of the things that we see in opinion polls and the things
0:22:06 > 0:22:07we hear every day.
0:22:07 > 0:22:10Next week we'll be hearing not from a group of Leave voters
0:22:10 > 0:22:13but a group of Remain voters.