:00:00. > :00:08.In this election campaign I'm speaking to several groups of voters
:00:09. > :00:11.about how they are making up their mind.
:00:12. > :00:17.Today I will be talking to people who voted Remain.
:00:18. > :00:21.How will that choice affect the choices they
:00:22. > :00:25.We have come to Bedford, a Tory held seat which is
:00:26. > :00:29.The people we are speaking to have been selected for us by the
:00:30. > :00:38.Of course no small group can tell us how this
:00:39. > :00:41.place will vote, let alone the country as a whole but it can
:00:42. > :00:45.flesh out those findings you find in the
:00:46. > :00:49.Let us go inside to the corn exchange where
:00:50. > :00:53.Jim Davidson and Ken Dodd have played for the latest of Nick's
:00:54. > :01:09.Today's takeaway, a nice bit of Thai food.
:01:10. > :01:13.Let me ask you all first, what do you think of the issues that are
:01:14. > :01:16.In Bedford, what are the important issues for
:01:17. > :01:26.A place that I have lived for 18 years with a very diverse
:01:27. > :01:40.Children here from a diverse background.
:01:41. > :01:44.And actually been a very pleasant place to live and
:01:45. > :01:46.educate children who are now going back into London.
:01:47. > :01:50.Recent times have made one question how you feel about
:01:51. > :01:52.it and how you feel about the general population, how they are
:01:53. > :01:57.feeling, in a way I have never thought before.
:01:58. > :02:00.I mean just the recent last year has made me feel
:02:01. > :02:06.differently about Bedford and about Britain.
:02:07. > :02:09.I will come onto that because I think I know what you mean.
:02:10. > :02:11.Bedford first of all, what do people think
:02:12. > :02:18.I think at the moment the hospital situation.
:02:19. > :02:21.I think it is important to me, my husband has a
:02:22. > :02:26.Having no services available, thinking about having a
:02:27. > :02:37.The potential of A shutting, maternity services
:02:38. > :02:39.not being there anymore, it is quite frightening to think
:02:40. > :02:42.we might have to go afield for things which we
:02:43. > :02:44.have been able to access course for such a long time.
:02:45. > :02:52.Accident and emergency being degraded.
:02:53. > :02:57.It worries us, the fact that services are going.
:02:58. > :03:03.I want to be able to get all the services I
:03:04. > :03:13.If they are degraded, will they be far off?
:03:14. > :03:16.That is a big worrying point from my perspective
:03:17. > :03:29.A lot of people are accessing the foodbank.
:03:30. > :03:31.I asked how much food they give every
:03:32. > :03:39.month, over six tonnes and Bedford is a small town.
:03:40. > :03:41.Cuts in services, NHS and statutory services, from the
:03:42. > :03:55.I cannot think outside Bedford because
:03:56. > :03:57.I am always dealing with people in Bedford
:03:58. > :03:58.who are facing problems on a
:03:59. > :04:02.day-to-day basis which is affecting their way of living.
:04:03. > :04:09.Has anyone else had any experience with the NHS where
:04:10. > :04:20.My son has a friend who are a couple of
:04:21. > :04:24.friends who are working in the local hospital,
:04:25. > :04:27.a Greek doctor has been a year for a year.
:04:28. > :04:31.They took him to the accident and emergency, the Greek doctor was
:04:32. > :04:32.so shocked that this lady was bleeding next
:04:33. > :04:37.to my son who is 17 or
:04:38. > :04:41.They sat there for several hours, a lady who could been
:04:42. > :04:53.in Greece, such a thing could not happen.
:04:54. > :04:55.Someone who needed such care would not be
:04:56. > :04:56.allowed to sit there in
:04:57. > :05:05.Is that the big issue nationally or other other
:05:06. > :05:11.We should have a good deal in place after leaving
:05:12. > :05:18.Of course NHS is one of the big issues but if we do
:05:19. > :05:27.not get a good deal, it affects our economy.
:05:28. > :05:29.This means we cannot fund the NHS so the most important issue
:05:30. > :05:33.at this moment for me is getting a good Brexit deal.
:05:34. > :05:41.It is very important for me as well because my job depends on
:05:42. > :05:48.If our company cannot make it work, we have to think about what we
:05:49. > :06:01.It could put obstacles in the way for example or
:06:02. > :06:03.they could affect our production factory in Italy.
:06:04. > :06:05.We essentially buy from our production site and bring
:06:06. > :06:14.So for you the way is if there will be taxes.
:06:15. > :06:17.It will be harder for us to make a profit and
:06:18. > :06:19.it will be a strain on us as a company.
:06:20. > :06:25.For me it is the biggest issue in this election.
:06:26. > :06:32.For me we need the strongest campaigner.
:06:33. > :06:37.To be involved in the Brexit process and get the best deal
:06:38. > :06:46.So you are looking for someone who still wants us to
:06:47. > :07:03.Someone to get the best possible outcome.
:07:04. > :07:06.Although I voted Remain, the situation where we are
:07:07. > :07:09.leaving so we need the best we can get now.
:07:10. > :07:24.You all voted Remain, that is why we asked
:07:25. > :07:28.We are interested to know about people who voted
:07:29. > :07:39.I feel somewhat sad about it but it is the next
:07:40. > :07:51.My daughter graduated on the day before they went to vote.
:07:52. > :07:54.She had a very bad feeling it would go in that
:07:55. > :08:00.I was certainly shocked because it's not just for us
:08:01. > :08:03.now, it is for our children's future, when they want to travel
:08:04. > :08:08.around Europe and get a job outside the UK,
:08:09. > :08:20.In my work, because I am 26, I work with a lot of older
:08:21. > :08:34.I work in an estate agent, I am a secretary.
:08:35. > :08:37.Being young, compared to them, I've felt that their decision was made
:08:38. > :08:51.Things that will not necessarily impact on them will impact me and my
:08:52. > :09:02.There was all this bravado, if we leave now it will be better.
:09:03. > :09:19.I voted Remain not for the economy at all but because I had a fear of
:09:20. > :09:25.the increase of hate crime. That was my only reason why. Not for the
:09:26. > :09:30.economy but I was scared that if we voted out, it gives a platform
:09:31. > :09:37.because of the campaigning, it would give a platform for people to incite
:09:38. > :09:46.hatred and xenophobia. And no it has happened? Now we are dealing with a
:09:47. > :09:52.lot of hate crime. Really, in Bedford? Yes, there is an increase.
:09:53. > :09:56.I was right to be frightened and I will still be frightened. That fear
:09:57. > :10:00.will not go for a long time because we can see it happening all around
:10:01. > :10:06.us. Lots of people who you are this will see we have not changed as a
:10:07. > :10:09.country just because we voted in a way you do not like. We have to deal
:10:10. > :10:14.with it and that is why the government has to try and protect
:10:15. > :10:17.and safeguard these people, the communities that are being attacked.
:10:18. > :10:21.I spoke to people in this town who are, I would
:10:22. > :10:24.say not necessarily politically minded who within 24 hours said they
:10:25. > :10:38.These are fairly nice people who within a day were saying,
:10:39. > :10:40.they did not really know but voted Leave.
:10:41. > :10:41.When you started asking them questions, they
:10:42. > :10:45.had not thought of so many of the aspects of what that really meant.
:10:46. > :10:49.I feel also the campaign was led by, the way the campaign was led,
:10:50. > :10:52.appealed to certain baser instincts in some and in others, they were
:10:53. > :10:59.left naively not knowing what was going on.
:11:00. > :11:02.Think of now rather than then, we're going to get on with it
:11:03. > :11:09.That is like a fire in your house saying, it
:11:10. > :11:13.You still think the fire could be put out?
:11:14. > :11:29.The way that the government and the people who are leading the
:11:30. > :11:36.government literally fell away the moment it was voted in. They just
:11:37. > :11:41.disappeared. You don't think that? As I say, I like to get with it. We
:11:42. > :11:50.want someone who will get the best deal after Brexit. We want either of
:11:51. > :11:53.them who will give us the best possible opportunities in the future
:11:54. > :12:02.with the deal which is beneficial to all. You say the two of them, you do
:12:03. > :12:10.not have to vote Labour or Tory. There are other parties. Let us do
:12:11. > :12:17.it again. Would you voted Labour? I don't think that is necessary, just
:12:18. > :12:21.get on with it. I also said maybe there should be people potentially
:12:22. > :12:25.getting more of the see because we are voting in the general election
:12:26. > :12:31.but we will still be voting on something we have not had an
:12:32. > :12:35.opportunity to have a say on. So it might be a great deal but we will
:12:36. > :12:42.not know until it happens. You are I Remain as well what is your view,
:12:43. > :12:47.take a get on with it? If the country is to vote for a party which
:12:48. > :12:54.decided to have another referendum, the outcome might... We would get to
:12:55. > :13:00.the point where the government might say, we like this answer so we will
:13:01. > :13:11.get on with it then. For referendums. You are not convinced.
:13:12. > :13:16.It is almost like, he goes up to someone says give us 250 grand for
:13:17. > :13:25.the house. What is it like? You will find out. But what is that like, I
:13:26. > :13:32.may not like it. Just trust us, you will be fine. That is what the
:13:33. > :13:37.readers have done effectively? Know, what it seems to me, particularly
:13:38. > :13:42.Theresa May has said, strong and stable leadership and I am the best
:13:43. > :13:50.person to negotiate. You will not get as seasonal, you would just get
:13:51. > :13:55.it. It might be it turns out there are lots of political machinations
:13:56. > :14:00.and we do get the best deal but it seems a strange thing you could say
:14:01. > :14:09.to Theresa May but what was a good deal look like? No one knows. If you
:14:10. > :14:14.wanted to say, give it another go, who are you tempted by? Is there any
:14:15. > :14:19.MP saying the things you want a year? I am very cynical about
:14:20. > :14:26.politicians. I have not heard anything. I feel we were set up. Are
:14:27. > :14:34.you not hearing anyone say have another referendum? Hearing how
:14:35. > :14:38.Theresa May has got into her discussions with Europe, generally I
:14:39. > :14:45.think the British perspective is very... I travel a lot, I go to
:14:46. > :14:50.Europe weekly, and the Europeans are not feeling... They are feeling
:14:51. > :14:57.quite upset and angry, they do not like the Porsche leading up to
:14:58. > :15:03.Brexit. -- the posturing. They feel quite anti-. You do not like Theresa
:15:04. > :15:12.May's tone. No one on the opposition benches? You have the Greens, the
:15:13. > :15:20.Labour -- the Liberal Democrats? The chances are very unlikely they will
:15:21. > :15:27.get in. I think I agree. I cannot see anyone in the Tory frontbencher
:15:28. > :15:33.can negotiate their way out of a paper bag. It is really sad because
:15:34. > :15:39.if you discount Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn, I don't think so. Then it
:15:40. > :15:44.goes round. I agree with you, I am getting on, it is really quite
:15:45. > :15:50.depressing. You think there is no standout person. They say Theresa
:15:51. > :15:53.May is strong and stable leadership but she was in charge of the Home
:15:54. > :16:00.Office for six years and we did not see a lot of that going on. My issue
:16:01. > :16:06.is, I think Bedford, the Tories got in with a 1200 majority no, it is
:16:07. > :16:10.not a safe seat. If that is a national movement to vote
:16:11. > :16:15.tactically, you are not going to vote for the Liberal Democrats
:16:16. > :16:19.because unless that is some sort of turnover, they will not getting so
:16:20. > :16:23.if you vote tactically, perhaps you will vote for Labour but they are
:16:24. > :16:30.going with Brexit as well so it is difficult. What about the Greens, to
:16:31. > :16:34.make a statement? But your statement would be like a stone dropped in a
:16:35. > :16:40.pond, no one would see it, it would be gone, it would be frustrating. It
:16:41. > :16:46.is first past the post so if you do not agree with the government, the
:16:47. > :16:53.only thing to do is vote Labour. If you came into the room though, and
:16:54. > :16:58.said I am Tim Farron, I am the new leader, I will say, do not disappear
:16:59. > :17:03.you Remainers, we can still do it, in a couple of years' time things
:17:04. > :17:11.will look different. What would you say to him? This is always a waste
:17:12. > :17:17.of time, money and energy. I agree, it is a waste of time. We should
:17:18. > :17:25.just get on with it. It will create more division. It might create more
:17:26. > :17:28.division within society so it is done and I think the majority of us
:17:29. > :17:34.who voted Remain have accepted it and just want to get on with it now.
:17:35. > :17:42.Does anyone think Jeremy Corbyn would be a better person for
:17:43. > :17:45.negotiations? Definitely not. He is a person who really cares about the
:17:46. > :17:50.economy because he has the interest of the workers at heart and that is
:17:51. > :17:54.what the economy is based on, that is what I personally think. I am
:17:55. > :17:59.basing it on what I have seen in Bedford with the lack of jobs over
:18:00. > :18:03.the years and the cutting of services. I want somebody else to
:18:04. > :18:12.have another chance and see if they can make this go forward. You
:18:13. > :18:18.thought Jeremy Corbyn would do well? I think his style of talking to
:18:19. > :18:24.people, on a personal level, I think he talks to people with a little
:18:25. > :18:28.more engagement rather than talking over people as though he will tell
:18:29. > :18:37.people what is going to happen. I saw your eyebrows go up. I am really
:18:38. > :18:42.sorry, Germany, he will probably be really good if he ever got the
:18:43. > :18:47.chance but this is a chap who put a three line whip in for people to
:18:48. > :18:51.pass the Brexit bill or whatever it was called. There was -- this was a
:18:52. > :18:57.man who never lobbied the government whip when Labour were npower, never.
:18:58. > :19:07.He might be a good negotiator but he has not got any principles. -- when
:19:08. > :19:13.Labour were npower. Jeremy Corbyn, Maria said, you're saying his
:19:14. > :19:21.empathetic? He can build a relationship? When I see him on the
:19:22. > :19:33.television, I turnover. It is the truth. Why? He just irritates me and
:19:34. > :19:41.he is one that bugs me. Is that because you are Tory? I don't know
:19:42. > :19:46.if it is about that. I have watched other and labour leaders, I think it
:19:47. > :19:51.is just him personally. Give me a few qualities, show total words. Let
:19:52. > :19:59.us do Theresa May first. What words do you associate with her? Tough.
:20:00. > :20:08.Strong. Xenophobic. That is what comes over as. Yes? Come back to me.
:20:09. > :20:15.I think she is a businesswoman and cheesy to make the best of the bad
:20:16. > :20:23.situation. -- and she is here. Donald Trump's businesswoman. I
:20:24. > :20:27.think a lot of people are worries, not to bring up American politics,
:20:28. > :20:34.but people are worried it is going to call the we, with the coming
:20:35. > :20:40.election they will vote for the lesser of two evils. Do you think
:20:41. > :20:46.they might do that now? I think people are worried go that way. She
:20:47. > :20:51.is like a second Mrs Thatcher. You do not mean that in a good way? No,
:20:52. > :21:00.she is a very strong person. In a good way? No. You are thinking of
:21:01. > :21:06.voting Labour? I have not decided yet, it is based on next week. I am
:21:07. > :21:11.intrigued, you might vote for the second Mrs Thatcher or you might
:21:12. > :21:18.vote for Jeremy Corbyn, your words. I have always voted Labour. Nowadays
:21:19. > :21:25.because it is so much information, so much social media, the way we saw
:21:26. > :21:29.politics is so different to two elections before. People are
:21:30. > :21:34.thinking about how they voted. Before it was something they
:21:35. > :21:39.inherited from their appearance. You used to vote for a party but no, it
:21:40. > :21:50.is not like that. I do not see that. What about words that describe
:21:51. > :21:57.Jeremy Corbyn? Irritating. Irritating. And you are voting for
:21:58. > :22:06.the Greens. I just do not trust him. I think he is fatally idealistic.
:22:07. > :22:11.You will not vote for him or leave? As you said, the American election
:22:12. > :22:16.was between the least worst candidate and it is such a shame
:22:17. > :22:22.that in this country, it is almost like we are talking about who is the
:22:23. > :22:31.worst -- least worst candidate. You may still vote Labour? Possibly. You
:22:32. > :22:37.are not sure. You? Come back to me. Is that any other issue, you know
:22:38. > :22:42.what, we have had a referendum but this issue is much more important to
:22:43. > :22:49.me? For me it is the schools my children go to and the pressure the
:22:50. > :22:54.teachers are under is incredible. Anybody else? Locally services,
:22:55. > :23:00.everything locally, welfare, elderly, cuts in youth services.
:23:01. > :23:06.Everything that you need to live on a day-to-day basis. What about
:23:07. > :23:12.health? Is the health service so important? Yes. Is it more than
:23:13. > :23:17.Brexit for you? The health service will not function if you do not have
:23:18. > :23:26.a stronger economy. I think they come part and parcel. Definitely.
:23:27. > :23:33.Like the schooling system, the NHS is and is a lot more strain, we are
:23:34. > :23:40.living longer. Initial planning for the NHS was not to let people to
:23:41. > :23:46.live to 104. Thank you everyone. That is it from us in Bedford. We
:23:47. > :23:50.will have the chance to finish off our takeaway know and we will be
:23:51. > :23:55.back next week talking to people that the Prime Minister has called
:23:56. > :23:59.the just about managing, who will be decide to vote for? -- will they
:24:00. > :24:01.decide.