07/10/2016

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:00:36. > :00:40.On today's programme: Theresa May says she will end the free

:00:41. > :00:44.movement of people when the UK leaves the EU.

:00:45. > :00:47.Francois Hollande warns Britain must suffer the consequences.

:00:48. > :00:52.We will assess the implications for the Brexit negotiations.

:00:53. > :00:54.UKIP launch an investigation of the altercation

:00:55. > :01:00.between two of their MEPs in the Strasbourg Parliament

:01:01. > :01:01.which left Steven Woolfe in hospital.

:01:02. > :01:04.We'll assess implications for the party.

:01:05. > :01:08.The EU joins India and Canada in ratifying the Paris climate

:01:09. > :01:12.change deal which will now come into force next month.

:01:13. > :01:16.The EU Commission considers a new plan to bring the citizens

:01:17. > :01:24.Free interrail passes for 18-year-olds.

:01:25. > :01:28.So all that to come and more in the next half-hour.

:01:29. > :01:36.First, our guide to the latest from Europe in just 60 seconds.

:01:37. > :01:39.Theresa May kicked off the week with that announcement.

:01:40. > :01:42.We will invoke Article 50 no later than the

:01:43. > :01:53.So even the most mathematically challenged of us

:01:54. > :01:55.can deduce that Britain could leave the EU by summer 2019.

:01:56. > :01:57.In Strasbourg, the European Parliament

:01:58. > :02:03.chief Brexit negotiator warned the EU should not compromise

:02:04. > :02:06.in Brexit talks on its four founding principles -

:02:07. > :02:11.A new EU border force was launched on Thursday aimed at stopping

:02:12. > :02:13.the dozens of migrants who attempt to Balkan states

:02:14. > :02:16.Hungary rejected the EU quota for migrant resettlement

:02:17. > :02:22.Half the voting population failed to make it

:02:23. > :02:25.In a vote attended by the UN Secretary

:02:26. > :02:28.General, MEPs backed the first global agreement on curbing carbon

:02:29. > :02:32.emission which was then ratified by other countries on Wednesday

:02:33. > :02:42.and is set to come force in a month's time.

:02:43. > :02:47.With us for the next 30 minutes I have been joined by the Green MEP

:02:48. > :02:49.Molly Scott Cato and the UKIP MWP Jonathan Arnold.

:02:50. > :02:52.Molly Scott Cato and the UKIP MEP Jonathan Arnold.

:02:53. > :02:54.The ratification of the Paris climate change agreement

:02:55. > :03:00.We all agree now that climate change is the greatest threat facing

:03:01. > :03:02.humanity and it is significant that the

:03:03. > :03:05.world's country have come together and have agreed to this Treaty

:03:06. > :03:12.and it is coming into force very quickly

:03:13. > :03:15.because people are focusing on this as a key issue.

:03:16. > :03:16.We need to move rapidly towards renewables,

:03:17. > :03:20.like they are doing in Germany and, I'm afraid, the government is taking

:03:21. > :03:23.us in the opposite direction and the other thing is focussing

:03:24. > :03:26.on the aspect of land that can be used for carbon capture.

:03:27. > :03:28.Now that we leave the common agricultural policy,

:03:29. > :03:32.we can make sure that when we give subsidies we can in return have

:03:33. > :03:34.from them dealing with climate change

:03:35. > :03:39.Two things - I believe that these decisions should be taken

:03:40. > :03:42.at Westminster by our Parliament and not through the European Union.

:03:43. > :03:47.We should decide for ourselves which international agreements

:03:48. > :03:54.we should sign and secondly my concern

:03:55. > :03:57.is we are going...often and we're putting the cart before

:03:58. > :03:59.the horse in response to lower carbon emissions.

:04:00. > :04:04.when you have pensioners who have to struggle to choose

:04:05. > :04:05.between heating and eating in the winter,

:04:06. > :04:09.what you have to do is get the technology right.

:04:10. > :04:17.Make sure you have the right renewables and make them affordable.

:04:18. > :04:19.It is a research and development question.

:04:20. > :04:27.If you take what Jonathan Arnold is saying, will it

:04:28. > :04:31.We are already seeing governments committing to this and many have

:04:32. > :04:34.political direction and travel but also business is coming on board

:04:35. > :04:41.and one of my key concerns is that to make this transition

:04:42. > :04:44.in a renewable economy we do not want to see the benefits in banks

:04:45. > :04:49.We can allow pension funds to invest in the infrastructure and therefore

:04:50. > :04:52.the money will come back to them and more widely through community

:04:53. > :04:54.73 nations ratified, it is a lot of support.

:04:55. > :05:00.57% of the world's green house gas emission.

:05:01. > :05:07.There is a consensus of sorts behind an

:05:08. > :05:10.agreement like this which in the future should make

:05:11. > :05:12.energy costs getting cheaper and better for everyone.

:05:13. > :05:14.I think there are certain issues there.

:05:15. > :05:18.What we are looking at the moment is China building up to another 400

:05:19. > :05:20.coal-fired power stations, increasing its emissions

:05:21. > :05:27.far, far beyond anything that the entire UK output

:05:28. > :05:32.is so there are certainly global questions and they

:05:33. > :05:35.have to be answered by getting the technology right.

:05:36. > :05:37.On Thursday the UKIP MEP Steven Woolfe was

:05:38. > :05:41.hospitalised after what was described as an altercation

:05:42. > :05:44.with a fellow UKIP MEP, Mike Hookem, at the European

:05:45. > :05:50.It was suggested he was unconscious and in a serious condition

:05:51. > :05:52.but by the afternoon, he was awake and tweeted

:05:53. > :05:57.he was feeling brighter, happier and smiling as ever.

:05:58. > :06:01.It came just a day after Woolfe declared

:06:02. > :06:04.It came just a day after Woolfe declared that he would stand

:06:05. > :06:07.following James's announcement that she was standing

:06:08. > :06:14.The other MEP, Mike Hookem, has been talking to the BBC.

:06:15. > :06:17.He says he did not throw a punch at his colleague nor

:06:18. > :06:25.There were no punches thrown, there was nothing.

:06:26. > :06:39.The door opened at that point I was not holding him.

:06:40. > :06:47.He fell into that room onto another MEP.

:06:48. > :06:54.I arrived a quarter of an hour late because it was called

:06:55. > :07:00.I could only piece together from speaking to colleagues.

:07:01. > :07:09.From what I heard is that there was a little bit of animosity,

:07:10. > :07:12.shall we say, at the start of the meeting.

:07:13. > :07:15.Discussion about Steven Woolfe for having had

:07:16. > :07:18.discussions about defecting to another party, which Mike Hookem

:07:19. > :07:27.I am recounting what people said to me.

:07:28. > :07:31.They are saying to me that then Steven Woolfe took off his jacket,

:07:32. > :07:35.and basically said to Mike, let's sort this out side.

:07:36. > :07:41.That he was wanting to discuss it in private.

:07:42. > :07:46.He was not suggesting a political fight.

:07:47. > :07:53.Mike is pretty much of pensionable age.

:07:54. > :07:58.Mike Hookem having heard that, if anyone says "deal with this

:07:59. > :08:01.outside" I think people start to get the impression that some form

:08:02. > :08:02.of physical altercation could take place.

:08:03. > :08:07.Not always, maybe at UKIP party meetings...

:08:08. > :08:10.I can honestly say that I have been in UKIP for 15

:08:11. > :08:13.years and I have never come across a meeting like that one

:08:14. > :08:18.and frankly I'm glad I arrived at that meeting late

:08:19. > :08:22.but what happened when they went outside, as I understand it,

:08:23. > :08:33.they had gone outside and there are witnesses to that.

:08:34. > :08:36.they had gone outside and there were no witnesses to that.

:08:37. > :08:39.In terms of were punches thrown, who threw them, that I think

:08:40. > :08:43.is something that you're not going to get anybody to comment on.

:08:44. > :08:44.The European Parliament is investigating.

:08:45. > :08:46.Did they bring the party into disrepute?

:08:47. > :08:49.I am struggling about knowing exactly

:08:50. > :09:05.Other people.., the witnesses, know but let me put it this way

:09:06. > :09:08.is this really it portrays UKIP in an appalling light.

:09:09. > :09:10.The way I look at this is, hard-working

:09:11. > :09:13.members, the people who go out and put leaflets through doors,

:09:14. > :09:15.the people who have worked hard for this

:09:16. > :09:18.party year in, year out they expect better than what has

:09:19. > :09:24.Frankly, they have a right to expect that and I think it is absolutely

:09:25. > :09:30.disgusting that this incident has happened.

:09:31. > :09:34.Our members have a right to expect better and frankly the general

:09:35. > :09:35.public have a right to expect better.

:09:36. > :09:42.In terms of what should happen now, that is a matter for the party

:09:43. > :09:46.to determine, that is for them to decide, not me.

:09:47. > :09:49.Who would you support in a leadership contest?

:09:50. > :09:59.I have not decided yet partly because I do not know

:10:00. > :10:03.whether someone like Paul Nuttall would put his hat in the ring.

:10:04. > :10:05.It is clearly, after what we've seen in this situation,

:10:06. > :10:08.it must be obvious to anybody, that Steven

:10:09. > :10:11.Woolfe and of course Mike Hookem - though I do not think

:10:12. > :10:15.he would put his hat into the ring - surely they cannot now consider

:10:16. > :10:20.either of them could stand in a leadership contest.

:10:21. > :10:26.Martin Schulz has put out a statement.

:10:27. > :10:29.I would just like to say that I have worked alongside Steven

:10:30. > :10:34.Woolfe because he is in my committee and I speak on finance as he does,

:10:35. > :10:38.and I found him to be a decent person to work with,

:10:39. > :10:41.but the important point with this story is that

:10:42. > :10:42.UKIP are bringing our country into disrepute.

:10:43. > :10:45.It is appalling to see someone collapsed on a bridge

:10:46. > :10:49.and they have been doing this for some time in chambers,

:10:50. > :10:51.behaving with disrespect and rudeness

:10:52. > :11:03.Martin Schulz is saying he will investigate this.

:11:04. > :11:13.I do not know if he will involve police.

:11:14. > :11:15.If it is obvious there has been assault, presumably

:11:16. > :11:20.A conservative MEP is going to be leading the investigation

:11:21. > :11:22.and we will wait for that result from both

:11:23. > :11:24.the UKIP and the inquiry by the European Parliament.

:11:25. > :11:26.In her speech to the Conservative conference,

:11:27. > :11:29.Theresa May made it clear she will ensure Britain's

:11:30. > :11:31.new arrangement with the EU will end the free

:11:32. > :11:34.movement of people and end the European Court of Justice having

:11:35. > :11:38.What does it mean for Brexit negotiations, when they trigger

:11:39. > :11:41.Article 50 before the end of March next year?

:11:42. > :11:43.Kevin Connolly has been testing the mood at the European

:11:44. > :11:50.A busy day at the European Parliament.

:11:51. > :11:54.And a busy week in British politics because we know a bit more

:11:55. > :12:05.Not a deadline, of course, but a rough timetable.

:12:06. > :12:10.Now the Europeans say there will be no negotiating until Britain sets

:12:11. > :12:13.out stall but might there be a bit of manoeuvring

:12:14. > :12:16.A question for the parliament president.

:12:17. > :12:21.People speak to each other but to discuss to each other

:12:22. > :12:25.It will become more concrete before you start

:12:26. > :12:31.With me nobody is completely speaking about it.

:12:32. > :12:47.And, given the scale and complexity to come,

:12:48. > :12:49.there are those who agree that it might make sense

:12:50. > :12:54.The sooner we come up with a final agreement, the batter.

:12:55. > :12:57.The sooner we come up with a final agreement, the better.

:12:58. > :13:05.Everybody would have something to lose if it was too much

:13:06. > :13:15.Our laws will be made not in Brussels but in Westminster.

:13:16. > :13:22.Much will depend on Theresa May and how she handles Brexit.

:13:23. > :13:25.So how are Europe's parliamentarians judging what they are hearing.

:13:26. > :13:31.I think it is good that there is a decision to trigger

:13:32. > :13:36.I think the bad thing is that on the UK side there is no

:13:37. > :13:38.agreement on how or what to negotiate.

:13:39. > :13:47.Strasbourg is waiting to hear more, much more, from London and don't

:13:48. > :13:58.Europe's Parliamentarians have a vote on any proposed wrecks

:13:59. > :14:03.a deal and, if they did not like it, they could veto it.

:14:04. > :14:06.Kevin Connelly reporting from Strasbourg.

:14:07. > :14:10.Do you accept that we are not going to be a full member

:14:11. > :14:15.of the single market following Brexit now?

:14:16. > :14:18.It seems clear Theresa May has ruled out free movement of labour

:14:19. > :14:21.and the European Court of Justice having jurisdiction over

:14:22. > :14:26.When we listened to her speech, we heard that, yes, it sounds

:14:27. > :14:33.like we are going towards hard Brexit, and that is how

:14:34. > :14:36.the speech was received in Strasbourg and on the European

:14:37. > :14:39.end of negotiations, but we should be aware of the great

:14:40. > :14:44.Jobs, people working for multinational organisations,

:14:45. > :14:54.are based here because they can sell directly to other

:14:55. > :14:55.European countries in the single market.

:14:56. > :14:58.Why would the remaining 27 member states want to be punished,

:14:59. > :15:03.We import more from the EU then we export.

:15:04. > :15:07.What would be the point of putting punishing tariffs on our goods?

:15:08. > :15:10.I think we are at risk of seeing this from a British perspective

:15:11. > :15:12.and Tory perspective, which is basically about

:15:13. > :15:16.The European project, especially France and Germany

:15:17. > :15:19.in the aftermath of the Second World War,

:15:20. > :15:25.and the four freedoms underpinning it.

:15:26. > :15:28.One of those is freedom of movement, and if we do not accept

:15:29. > :15:34.that we will not be allowed to trade freely in the single market.

:15:35. > :15:36.We could still have access without having the freedom

:15:37. > :15:41.That is a British view, but the French Prime Minister

:15:42. > :15:44.We heard Francois Hollande saying Britain will suffer the consequences

:15:45. > :15:48.if indeed they do go for what is being termed as a hard

:15:49. > :15:50.Brexit, which is withdrawing, no membership of the single market,

:15:51. > :15:57.and not signing up to any freedom of movement.

:15:58. > :16:01.Hollande will not be in place by the time any meaningful deal...

:16:02. > :16:04.You do not think his successor would feel the same?

:16:05. > :16:07.What is happening here is the European Union is setting

:16:08. > :16:14.And what we need to do is set out our negotiating position,

:16:15. > :16:24.is it seems to me in British politics, there are far too many

:16:25. > :16:27.people who are in negotiating positions coming from

:16:28. > :16:31.the European Union saying that that position is where we will end up,

:16:32. > :16:35.and it is a little bit like if I went to buy a car

:16:36. > :16:38.and there is a list price on that car, I will negotiate

:16:39. > :16:45.I won't simply say, the person in the salesroom is telling me this

:16:46. > :16:48.car is this price, there is no possible way of any movement

:16:49. > :16:51.from that, and actually, when we look at the Lisbon Treaty,

:16:52. > :16:54.Article 8 makes it very clear that negotiations will be conducted

:16:55. > :17:01.in a spirit of neighbourliness and cooperation.

:17:02. > :17:05.That may be what is written down, but it may not be the reality.

:17:06. > :17:07.We have heard European leader after European leaders saying

:17:08. > :17:10.if there aren't consequences, it will set a terrible

:17:11. > :17:17.You can understand why they are going to be talking tough,

:17:18. > :17:24.In the end, will they not strike a deal that is beneficial

:17:25. > :17:29.Seeing this as an economic dealmaking system is the problem.

:17:30. > :17:32.For them it is a political structure and political union that they value

:17:33. > :17:35.very strongly, and without those four freedoms it

:17:36. > :17:38.Their priority is to keep the union together.

:17:39. > :17:44.The economic negotiations are second to that.

:17:45. > :17:50.Are you saying the Germans are not interested in a good economic deal?

:17:51. > :17:54.They are not interested in the sort of trade deal that could be done

:17:55. > :17:59.Our trade is not as significant to them as it is for us.

:18:00. > :18:03.12% of their economy and 4% of our economy that is actually tied

:18:04. > :18:10.That is three times as much important for us as for them.

:18:11. > :18:14.We just heard one of the MEPs in that film say there would be

:18:15. > :18:21.When you look ahead to invoking Article 50, when the talks

:18:22. > :18:24.really begin, and we see exactly whose cards are on the table,

:18:25. > :18:28.will it not be the case that MEPs in Europe will look at it

:18:29. > :18:30.practically and pragmatically, and not emotionally?

:18:31. > :18:36.What would be the point of MEPs if we were to come up with a deal

:18:37. > :18:39.that works for the UK, that works for the

:18:40. > :18:44.If we were to come up with a deal that actually recognises the UK's

:18:45. > :18:46.strengths, and frankly, that is one of the things

:18:47. > :18:50.I want to see Theresa May doing, playing the strong hand that we have

:18:51. > :19:00.If we came up with a deal the worked for everyone,

:19:01. > :19:03.in whose interest would it possibly be for the European Parliament

:19:04. > :19:09.What do you think should happen to EU nationals that are here?

:19:10. > :19:12.Should there be a clear statement from the government

:19:13. > :19:14.to say their position and their futures here are 100%

:19:15. > :19:17.guaranteed as David Davies said but Liam Fox wouldn't?

:19:18. > :19:23.People who are living in the UK, we can't say to them you have to go

:19:24. > :19:27.back to the country you've come from, just like the Spanish

:19:28. > :19:28.government would never say to British citizens

:19:29. > :19:32.Well, they might if there is a negotiation.

:19:33. > :19:35.If we say that is not an issue on the table,

:19:36. > :19:38.then they wouldn't, and frankly, I think the Spanish government

:19:39. > :19:41.would recognise that Britons going out to retire and live

:19:42. > :19:47.in Spain are taking a lot of money and bringing that money into Spain.

:19:48. > :19:50.With many EU countries facing Eurosceptic movements of their own,

:19:51. > :19:53.MEPs this week have been discussing a scheme which its backers say

:19:54. > :19:57.could increase positive feelings towards the European Union.

:19:58. > :20:00.The idea is to give every young person across the EU a free

:20:01. > :20:04.Interrail pass for their 18th birthday.

:20:05. > :20:07.The European Commission says it will now consider the proposal.

:20:08. > :20:19.This is a wonderful and enchanting idea, the idea of a free Interrail

:20:20. > :20:22.pass for 18-year-olds, investing in young people,

:20:23. > :20:24.investing in trade for European citizenship and allowing people

:20:25. > :20:26.to travel around Europe promoting better understanding

:20:27. > :20:35.As we have heard in the past, Europe is all about emotion,

:20:36. > :20:40.and one way of feeling emotion is by travelling around

:20:41. > :20:43.the continent, and that is the fundamental idea

:20:44. > :20:52.And I must say, I'm very grateful to the head of the group for giving

:20:53. > :20:57.a voice to many people during the State of the Union speech.

:20:58. > :21:03.I love trains and transport and I want to continue to make it

:21:04. > :21:06.really easy for young people to travel by train

:21:07. > :21:15.And I want to make sure that it is cheap.

:21:16. > :21:20.If you spend 361 euros for each 18-year-old in the EU on this

:21:21. > :21:23.harebrained irrelevance, it will cost 1.9 billion a year.

:21:24. > :21:31.And even by the standards of the EU, this is madness.

:21:32. > :21:35.Europe looks like a leaf in the autumn.

:21:36. > :21:37.It is fatigued by its numerous crises.

:21:38. > :21:40.It is only the young people that can transform this European autumn

:21:41. > :21:47.And one of the people behind the campaign for free Interrail

:21:48. > :21:51.passes for 18-year-olds is Vincent, who joins us now from Berlin.

:21:52. > :22:05.We launched the programme as a result of an Interrail trip

:22:06. > :22:08.we took ourselves, me and a colleague.

:22:09. > :22:10.We travelled to 14 European countries.

:22:11. > :22:13.We really found out how important it is to experience

:22:14. > :22:16.I think before this trip, we were already Europeans in theory,

:22:17. > :22:19.but the trip turned us into Europeans out of experience.

:22:20. > :22:21.It was not just textbooks, this was personal experience.

:22:22. > :22:25.We made friendships and got to see the beauty and diversity.

:22:26. > :22:31.I think a lot of young people don't have that opportunity and we really

:22:32. > :22:34.need to give them that opportunity so all Europeans really know

:22:35. > :22:43.If you think about it, 2 billion euros sounds like a lot,

:22:44. > :22:48.but this is a single digit percentage of the EU budget,

:22:49. > :22:51.1-2%, a very small amount of the EU budget.

:22:52. > :22:56.If you think about the long-term, systemic efforts of this move

:22:57. > :23:01.to strengthen European identity, to foster cultural exchange

:23:02. > :23:03.and dialogue between youth and all future generations,

:23:04. > :23:06.this will be an invaluable programme that will vastly further

:23:07. > :23:16.Will you still have to have quite a lot of money as an 18-year-old

:23:17. > :23:18.to be able to fund the accommodation, the time away,

:23:19. > :23:25.even with this sort of money behind it?

:23:26. > :23:29.I think this is a very good point, and we have thought about it a lot

:23:30. > :23:32.and talked with MEPs and think tanks about this problem

:23:33. > :23:38.But the main idea is that you can level the playing field and make

:23:39. > :23:41.the entry into mobility easier for youth but independently of socio

:23:42. > :23:43.economic, national or financial backgrounds.

:23:44. > :23:46.I think it would be worthwhile to build a couch surfing network

:23:47. > :23:49.around this idea to really see the Interrailers connected even

:23:50. > :24:05.I went Interrailing and at the time it was quite expensive.

:24:06. > :24:17.It is lovely to have a young person be positive about Europe.

:24:18. > :24:20.We know they voted strongly to remain and feel truly European,

:24:21. > :24:23.and I hope British young people will be able to participate in this

:24:24. > :24:28.One of your colleagues called it bribery and a rotten apple.

:24:29. > :24:33.I think the point is they have said they want to spend taxpayers' money.

:24:34. > :24:36.That is money people have worked hard to earn,

:24:37. > :24:40.So that people can feel more European!

:24:41. > :24:43.And actually, frankly, I think travel is a great thing.

:24:44. > :24:46.It is great for young people to travel.

:24:47. > :24:49.But I don't see personally that that is around the boundaries

:24:50. > :24:53.My brother had a great time going out to Malawi and working

:24:54. > :25:12.In a way, this is really taking the benefits of the Erasmus

:25:13. > :25:15.and applying them to youth across the board.

:25:16. > :25:17.Erasmus is one of the most successful programmes that has

:25:18. > :25:22.But this would really apply to all youth.

:25:23. > :25:25.Erasmus is just for a small percentage.

:25:26. > :25:28.It would really benefit all of us so much and move this continent

:25:29. > :25:32.And it will include young Brits, will it?

:25:33. > :25:35.We are still in the EU, so they will be included?

:25:36. > :26:03.Before we have a look at the weather here at home,

:26:04. > :26:05.we'll have a quick update on Matthew.

:26:06. > :26:08.Formerly a major hurricane, the winds have dropped but the rain

:26:09. > :26:12.has continued, 265 millimetres of rain across parts of Georgia