0:00:38 > 0:00:41Not it's time for Politics Europe.
0:00:41 > 0:00:43Hello and welcome to Politics Europe.
0:00:43 > 0:00:46Theresa May's timetable for Brexit talks looks to be intact after MPs
0:00:46 > 0:00:48at Westminster overwhelmingly vote to trigger Article 50.
0:00:48 > 0:00:51With the start of Brexit talks just weeks away,
0:00:51 > 0:00:53who will the UK Government be negotiating with?
0:00:53 > 0:00:56We report from Brussels on the EU's Brexit negotiators.
0:00:57 > 0:01:01The EU's Trade Commissioner warns Donald Trump against protectionist
0:01:01 > 0:01:09measures and promises to push for fair trade.
0:01:09 > 0:01:15We take a look at how the EU is responding to President Trump.
0:01:15 > 0:01:18Do you think we should have new legislation for robots?
0:01:18 > 0:01:20Why not?
0:01:20 > 0:01:24And, should we be worried about the rise of the robots?
0:01:24 > 0:01:27Why members of the European Parliament are demanding
0:01:27 > 0:01:33new regulations to protect humans from artificial intelligence.
0:01:37 > 0:01:41So, all that to come and more in the next half-hour.
0:01:41 > 0:01:46First, our guide to the latest from Europe in just 60 seconds.
0:01:51 > 0:01:54MPs overwhelmingly agreed to let the Government begin the UK's
0:01:54 > 0:01:57departure from the EU as they voted for the Brexit bill.
0:01:57 > 0:02:00The ayes to the right, 494.
0:02:00 > 0:02:04The noes to the left, 122.
0:02:04 > 0:02:06Romania's Prime Minister insisted he won't resign,
0:02:06 > 0:02:10despite mass protest calling for him and his Cabinet to step down over
0:02:10 > 0:02:13a now abandoned corruption measure with many saying they have lost
0:02:13 > 0:02:15trust in their leaders.
0:02:15 > 0:02:20Following a surge in fighting in eastern Ukraine between Government
0:02:20 > 0:02:22forces and Russian-backed separatists, EU foreign ministers
0:02:22 > 0:02:24condemned the attacks on civilians.
0:02:24 > 0:02:2723 of the 28 member states are breaching air-quality standards,
0:02:27 > 0:02:28according to the European Commission.
0:02:28 > 0:02:31It recommends phasing out environmentally damaging subsidies
0:02:31 > 0:02:34such as tax breaks for privately used company cars.
0:02:34 > 0:02:38And the idea to provide free inter-rail travel passes to all EU
0:02:38 > 0:02:42citizens on their 18th birthday has hit the buffers.
0:02:42 > 0:02:46The European Commission will instead soffer a cheaper plan awarding
0:02:46 > 0:02:51a general travel budget to schools.
0:02:53 > 0:02:57With us for the next 30 minutes I am joined by the Ukip MEP Gerard Batten
0:02:57 > 0:03:00and Labour's Anneliese Dodds, welcome to you both.
0:03:00 > 0:03:03Anneliese, what happens if the European Parliament
0:03:03 > 0:03:06votes against this deal in a couple of years?
0:03:06 > 0:03:09That is a very good question and there is the possibility of that.
0:03:09 > 0:03:12It is just before European elections, not a great time
0:03:12 > 0:03:14to have a rational debate on issues.
0:03:14 > 0:03:21Any idea what the answer is?
0:03:21 > 0:03:23I hope we can get away from the conflicting,
0:03:23 > 0:03:25argumentative approach we have had.
0:03:25 > 0:03:33You don't know?
0:03:33 > 0:03:34I don't know.
0:03:34 > 0:03:38If it is rejected, there is no deal, which our British leader said
0:03:38 > 0:03:40she preferred to a bad deal, I properly wouldn't.
0:03:40 > 0:03:43If there was no deal, that means exiting, just WTO rules,
0:03:43 > 0:03:44no clear future relationship.
0:03:44 > 0:03:46Not good for Europe either.
0:03:46 > 0:03:49Bad for all sides.
0:03:49 > 0:03:50What do you think?
0:03:50 > 0:03:54An interesting point, perhaps the Council will do what it
0:03:54 > 0:03:57does when the European Parliament votes for a directive it doesn't
0:03:57 > 0:04:00want because it has been amended in such a way.
0:04:00 > 0:04:04It then ignores that and does it anyway.
0:04:04 > 0:04:07Whether it has the power to reject the vote of
0:04:07 > 0:04:09Parliament, I'm not sure.
0:04:09 > 0:04:12That would be nigh impossible if the European Parliament took
0:04:12 > 0:04:16a vote against something as basic as the Brexit deal.
0:04:16 > 0:04:18It could hardly ignore it.
0:04:18 > 0:04:21What would happen is what Mrs May said, then we would exit on WTO...
0:04:21 > 0:04:23Crash out on WTO rules.
0:04:23 > 0:04:26Precisely why going down the Article 50 route is wrong anyway.
0:04:26 > 0:04:30That boat has left the harbour.
0:04:30 > 0:04:32No.
0:04:32 > 0:04:36What we will do is have two years of negotiation with people who don't
0:04:36 > 0:04:41want to negotiate with us.
0:04:41 > 0:04:44And end up and have a deal they can reject anyway.
0:04:44 > 0:04:47What the Government can still do, and I am the Brexit spokesman
0:04:48 > 0:04:49for Ukip, writing our exit plan.
0:04:49 > 0:04:52Step one should be to repeal the 1972 European Community Act
0:04:52 > 0:04:55which would under our law mean we are no longer members.
0:04:55 > 0:04:58All EU legislation would remain in place because it has been
0:04:58 > 0:04:59incorporated as Acts of Parliament.
0:04:59 > 0:05:01Bill Cash has done a good draft.
0:05:01 > 0:05:09We haven't time for your thesis on that.
0:05:09 > 0:05:11That is not the Government strategy.
0:05:11 > 0:05:16It is also not how these issues are set out in the treaties.
0:05:16 > 0:05:17We have to make it work.
0:05:17 > 0:05:21We have to be grown-ups, start a decent conversation and stop
0:05:21 > 0:05:30shouting, and threatening the rest of the EU saying we will slap
0:05:30 > 0:05:33tariffs on their cars, turn our country into a tax haven.
0:05:33 > 0:05:37The Europeans have been quite vocal, I have noticed a change in tone,
0:05:37 > 0:05:39a more constructive tone in the past couple of weeks.
0:05:39 > 0:05:40I think so.
0:05:40 > 0:05:45It is no good for the rest of the EU if we don't have a deal
0:05:45 > 0:05:46which will work for everybody.
0:05:46 > 0:05:51We have to take some of the steam and the highfalutin politics out
0:05:51 > 0:05:54of it and talk about it rationally.
0:05:54 > 0:05:56Good luck.
0:05:56 > 0:06:00When the Brexit talks get underway, they will be led in the UK
0:06:00 > 0:06:06by David Davis, Secretary of State for Exiting the EU.
0:06:06 > 0:06:12What about the people he will be facing across the negotiating table?
0:06:12 > 0:06:18Adam Fleming reports from Brussels on the EU figures going head-to-head
0:06:18 > 0:06:19with the UK Government.
0:06:19 > 0:06:23# Who are you?
0:06:23 > 0:06:29Who knows who this is?
0:06:29 > 0:06:30Look familiar?
0:06:30 > 0:06:37Mr Barnier.
0:06:37 > 0:06:38Mr Barnier.
0:06:38 > 0:06:39Very important.
0:06:39 > 0:06:41French.
0:06:41 > 0:06:42Do you know much about him?
0:06:42 > 0:06:47Yes, he is going to negotiate the Brexit deal with the UK.
0:06:47 > 0:06:49Do you know him?
0:06:49 > 0:06:50Yes, because I am French.
0:06:50 > 0:06:52Is he a big deal in France?
0:06:52 > 0:06:53A big dealish.
0:06:53 > 0:06:54A grand fromage.
0:06:54 > 0:07:04Mr Barnier is a former French Foreign Minister,
0:07:04 > 0:07:06former European Commissioner, and mastermind of the
0:07:06 > 0:07:071992 Winter Olympics.
0:07:07 > 0:07:09His catchphrase is, keep calm and negotiate.
0:07:09 > 0:07:12Let us get a more three-dimensional picture from MEPs who know him.
0:07:12 > 0:07:14He is a bit taller in real life.
0:07:14 > 0:07:15Actually, far taller.
0:07:15 > 0:07:17What is he like, do you know him?
0:07:17 > 0:07:18Yes.
0:07:18 > 0:07:22He is a very competent person.
0:07:22 > 0:07:28Truly European.
0:07:28 > 0:07:30He is very expert in one of the most sensitive areas
0:07:30 > 0:07:32like the financial services.
0:07:32 > 0:07:35He not someone with anti-British feeling, not at all.
0:07:35 > 0:07:43When he was Commissioner, he always looked for a balanced
0:07:43 > 0:07:45solution in the area of financial services.
0:07:45 > 0:07:48But of course as a chief EU negotiator, he will try first
0:07:48 > 0:07:51of all to protect the interests of the union, and also
0:07:51 > 0:07:52to strike a good agreement.
0:07:53 > 0:07:56I could say that he is a Frenchman with a British style.
0:07:56 > 0:07:57What does that mean?
0:07:57 > 0:07:58He is very concise, very precise.
0:07:58 > 0:08:05When someone gives him an argument or an idea,
0:08:05 > 0:08:12if it is something reasonable, he will say, OK, it was not
0:08:12 > 0:08:14the first idea but I accept it.
0:08:14 > 0:08:18But if he thinks it is a red line, he will be always firm
0:08:18 > 0:08:22and resilient until the end.
0:08:22 > 0:08:24Parliament has its own negotiator, Guy Verhofstadt, leader
0:08:24 > 0:08:25of the liberal group.
0:08:25 > 0:08:32But his precise role isn't quite clear.
0:08:32 > 0:08:34Is he going to be in the room actually?
0:08:34 > 0:08:35Absolutely, yes.
0:08:35 > 0:08:38He is a very good negotiator and everyone recognises that.
0:08:38 > 0:08:38Years of experience.
0:08:38 > 0:08:41The Prime Minster of Belgium, you gain a lot of experience
0:08:41 > 0:08:47if you have done that successfully.
0:08:47 > 0:08:49We represent half a billion people.
0:08:49 > 0:08:52It is vital that any negotiation takes into account the needs
0:08:52 > 0:08:56and aspirations of the people of the European Union,
0:08:56 > 0:08:58that is what it is all about.
0:08:58 > 0:09:01Then there's the man from the Council, Didier Seeuws,
0:09:01 > 0:09:05a Belgian lawyer, hardly a household name.
0:09:05 > 0:09:08Let us find out more from an old colleague.
0:09:08 > 0:09:11He has a lot of expertise.
0:09:11 > 0:09:15He's excellent at coming up with compromises
0:09:15 > 0:09:17when you have positions which are seemingly irreconcilable.
0:09:17 > 0:09:26He often finds a way of reconciling them.
0:09:26 > 0:09:27He will have the knowledge.
0:09:27 > 0:09:31He will know the positions of the member states so will often
0:09:31 > 0:09:34be able to say to Barnier, you can agree this or that,
0:09:34 > 0:09:38it might be risky or might not get endorsed by the other member states.
0:09:38 > 0:09:39Or that has no chance.
0:09:39 > 0:09:41Wait, the cast of characters gets even bigger.
0:09:41 > 0:09:44The trade commissioner, Cecilia Malmstrom, will be a big
0:09:44 > 0:09:47player if the UK and the EU try to do a free trade
0:09:47 > 0:09:48deal at the same time.
0:09:48 > 0:09:52Never far from any decision is Martin Selmayr, chief of staff to
0:09:52 > 0:09:53the Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker.
0:09:53 > 0:09:57Give me one name who is going to be the most influential
0:09:57 > 0:09:59person in negotiations?
0:09:59 > 0:10:03I suppose it is Mrs May.
0:10:03 > 0:10:09The elected representatives on both sides.
0:10:09 > 0:10:10Mr Barnier.
0:10:10 > 0:10:13So far, with his Gallic flair, towering presence, ability
0:10:13 > 0:10:17to captivate the British press, it does seem Mr Barnier will be
0:10:17 > 0:10:23the one who dominates the headlines.
0:10:24 > 0:10:28So, what do we know of Michel Barnier?
0:10:28 > 0:10:32He has already said one of the key things in this whole debate
0:10:32 > 0:10:35which is freedom of movement is not up for discussion.
0:10:35 > 0:10:39He said it can't be changed, Britain has to accept it.
0:10:39 > 0:10:41The British people don't want to accept.
0:10:41 > 0:10:44Now Mrs May has said we are leaving the single market,
0:10:44 > 0:10:47free movement is not a matter for debate.
0:10:47 > 0:10:50He is supposed to be negotiating our position.
0:10:50 > 0:10:50No.
0:10:50 > 0:10:51No.
0:10:51 > 0:10:52Their position.
0:10:52 > 0:10:55To arrive at this mythical deal at the end of this
0:10:55 > 0:10:59long protracted process, he said freedom of movement
0:10:59 > 0:11:00is not up for negotiation.
0:11:00 > 0:11:06But I am not sure, freedom of movement was one of the four
0:11:06 > 0:11:09freedoms that comes with being a member of the single market.
0:11:09 > 0:11:12If we are now saying, rightly or wrongly, we are now
0:11:12 > 0:11:15saying we will not be a member of the single market,
0:11:15 > 0:11:19freedom of movement is not an issue.
0:11:19 > 0:11:25But the issue about tariff-free trade is, there is a solution.
0:11:25 > 0:11:28But you were talking about freedom of movement.
0:11:28 > 0:11:32They are talking about that in order to talk us out of trade issues
0:11:32 > 0:11:34which is the second biggest issue.
0:11:34 > 0:11:36A free-trade deal, we do free-trade deals with the EU
0:11:36 > 0:11:38and other countries, bilaterally, they don't involve
0:11:38 > 0:11:40freedom of movement issues.
0:11:40 > 0:11:45The EU-Canada deal, the latest, has no freedom of movement implications.
0:11:45 > 0:11:49Is that right?
0:11:49 > 0:11:53Sometimes, when Britain is trying to secure trade deals
0:11:53 > 0:11:56with countries like India, we have come a cropper
0:11:56 > 0:11:57on that issue.
0:11:57 > 0:11:57A visa issue.
0:11:57 > 0:12:01I would come back on one thing about the British people deciding
0:12:01 > 0:12:05they don't want to have freedom of movement.
0:12:05 > 0:12:07they don't want to have freedom of movement.
0:12:07 > 0:12:10Most opinion polls show even a majority of Leave voters said,
0:12:10 > 0:12:14if there was a top up between having access to trade across the EU,
0:12:14 > 0:12:16and some freedom of movement, they would prioritise
0:12:16 > 0:12:20access to trade.
0:12:20 > 0:12:23Theresa May has decided she wants to take us
0:12:23 > 0:12:25in a particular direction.
0:12:25 > 0:12:30There will be some freedom of movement and access
0:12:30 > 0:12:33to the single market.
0:12:33 > 0:12:36These are the issues that have to be negotiated.
0:12:36 > 0:12:39Do we know anything yet, there were so many names in Adam's film,
0:12:39 > 0:12:42all with their own constituencies, I don't mean that in a political
0:12:43 > 0:12:44sense, but their own interests in Brussels.
0:12:44 > 0:12:47Do we have any idea what the common line will be?
0:12:47 > 0:12:50Ultimately, the EU 27, talking about them represented
0:12:50 > 0:12:53in the EU institutions or member and never states, they want the best
0:12:53 > 0:12:54outcome for all of them.
0:12:54 > 0:12:58That is one that has a good deal for Britain as well.
0:12:58 > 0:13:01That will not happen if we keep having a zero-sum politics
0:13:01 > 0:13:04and this trade-off saying, if we have a deal that works
0:13:04 > 0:13:07for the rest of the EU, it won't work for Britain,
0:13:07 > 0:13:07and vice versa.
0:13:07 > 0:13:08Who is saying that?
0:13:09 > 0:13:10Some political voices.
0:13:10 > 0:13:11Who?
0:13:11 > 0:13:15We have had threats from Theresa May saying, if we don't get that deal,
0:13:15 > 0:13:18we will turn ourselves into a bargain basement tax haven.
0:13:18 > 0:13:20No.
0:13:20 > 0:13:22That is your party's phrase.
0:13:22 > 0:13:25What she is saying is, if we did come out on WTO rules,
0:13:25 > 0:13:30we would need to also consider our economic model.
0:13:30 > 0:13:33There are plenty of choices between being what we are now,
0:13:33 > 0:13:36and Singapore which isn't that much of a bargain.
0:13:36 > 0:13:40Philip Hammond has pushed the same line.
0:13:40 > 0:13:44They are grown-ups, they know the messages they are sending.
0:13:44 > 0:13:47They are damaging, when we should be building bridges rather
0:13:47 > 0:13:50than blowing them up.
0:13:50 > 0:13:55Except if you hear what is coming out of Europe, listening
0:13:55 > 0:13:58to a Baltic States minister this morning on another channel,
0:13:58 > 0:14:01he was much more conciliatory Poland is beginning to say the same.
0:14:01 > 0:14:04Even Michel Barnier has said he understands the importance
0:14:04 > 0:14:08of the London capital markets to the whole of the EU.
0:14:08 > 0:14:11What I wanted to ask you is, we have a rough idea,
0:14:11 > 0:14:15because of the white paper and Mrs May's Lancaster House
0:14:15 > 0:14:17speech, of the British Government's negotiating position,
0:14:17 > 0:14:22a rough idea.
0:14:22 > 0:14:24Don't we need, doesn't the EU now need to give
0:14:24 > 0:14:30its equivalent of its rough idea?
0:14:30 > 0:14:30Yes.
0:14:30 > 0:14:31A good point.
0:14:31 > 0:14:35We will have these long protracted negotiations to end up in a position
0:14:35 > 0:14:38where we should know where we want to be now.
0:14:38 > 0:14:42Which is we have freedom to make our own laws, continue trade
0:14:42 > 0:14:43on a tariff free basis.
0:14:43 > 0:14:53The people, although Parliament has a vote on this,
0:14:53 > 0:14:55and the European Parliament could scupper the whole thing,
0:14:55 > 0:14:56depending what it looks like.
0:14:56 > 0:14:59It is the Council that makes the decisions to accept.
0:14:59 > 0:15:00The Council of Ministers.
0:15:00 > 0:15:03They are the heads of governments, they will come under pressure
0:15:03 > 0:15:09from their own industries and businesses to reach a sensible
0:15:09 > 0:15:12agreement rather than the ideologues in the European Parliament.
0:15:12 > 0:15:15One thing that could scupper the negotiations would be if the EU
0:15:15 > 0:15:19insists on agreeing some kind of Brexit bill upfront,
0:15:19 > 0:15:24whether it is 40 or 60 billion.
0:15:24 > 0:15:26Because I would suggest to you no British Government
0:15:26 > 0:15:27can agree to that.
0:15:38 > 0:15:41Well, in an ideal world, would we be here at all?
0:15:41 > 0:15:43I can understand their thinking.
0:15:43 > 0:15:46More recently they have been saying they want to agree a methodology
0:15:46 > 0:15:49for deciding what the commitment would be, rather than a figure.
0:15:49 > 0:15:50But people extrapolate figures immediately.
0:15:50 > 0:15:52What would we be paying for?
0:15:52 > 0:15:55Take one example, imagine a Lithuanian civil servant who joins
0:15:55 > 0:15:56the Commission at 25.
0:15:56 > 0:15:59When she joins, the British state had a liability for part
0:15:59 > 0:16:00of her pension when she retires.
0:16:00 > 0:16:02That still will be there in the future.
0:16:02 > 0:16:06In the same way the British state has a liability for my pension
0:16:06 > 0:16:10when I have paid national insurance.
0:16:10 > 0:16:12But you are not leaving the British state.
0:16:12 > 0:16:14You are aware the Brussels pensions of bureaucrats,
0:16:14 > 0:16:17are between two and three times average earnings in Britain.
0:16:17 > 0:16:20Do you think the British people will stand for that paying
0:16:20 > 0:16:23the pensions that are up to three times their average wage?
0:16:23 > 0:16:31I agree with you, there will be difficult discussion.
0:16:31 > 0:16:34What I worry about is if this is turned into bashing a small
0:16:34 > 0:16:35number of people essentially.
0:16:35 > 0:16:39Small amounts of money in comparison to the overall amount we could lose
0:16:39 > 0:16:42in trade deals, and I am not saying it is peanuts.
0:16:42 > 0:16:46In comparison to what we could lose, we need to look at these issues
0:16:46 > 0:16:48with an adult head on our shoulders.
0:16:48 > 0:16:51What would you say to the demand, if that is what it is,
0:16:51 > 0:16:52for a divorce Bill?
0:16:52 > 0:16:55Well, the EU will do what everyone has to do,
0:16:55 > 0:16:58when their income drops, they have to also reduce their outgoings.
0:16:58 > 0:17:00There will be people who have got pension liabilities.
0:17:00 > 0:17:02But I think that will be minimal.
0:17:02 > 0:17:05The governments can agree between them how to deal with that
0:17:05 > 0:17:07with obligations to particular people.
0:17:07 > 0:17:10The idea we give billions of pounds in order to pay for our membership
0:17:11 > 0:17:13up until 2020, the end of the current budget period,
0:17:13 > 0:17:22is pure fantasy.
0:17:22 > 0:17:35It shouldn't happen.
0:17:35 > 0:17:38There are lots of things the Leave campaign kept promising,
0:17:38 > 0:17:41like research funds, we were told we would still get that.
0:17:41 > 0:17:46But that has to come from somewhere.
0:17:46 > 0:17:49It is our taxpayers' money anyway, and research funds are a small
0:17:49 > 0:17:52proportion, the Government can easily make that up.
0:17:52 > 0:17:56We shall see, plenty of time to debate this in the months ahead.
0:17:56 > 0:17:59Donald Trump's arrival at the White House three weeks ago
0:17:59 > 0:18:01has got something of a political earthquake in Brussels,
0:18:01 > 0:18:03with EU leaders going public about their concerns
0:18:03 > 0:18:05about the new president's approach to trade, defence,
0:18:05 > 0:18:07human affairs, international relations.
0:18:07 > 0:18:10In an open letter, the President of the European Council that brings
0:18:10 > 0:18:12all the members together as heads of state, wrote this.
0:18:13 > 0:18:15Donald Trump's presidency and the change in Washington puts
0:18:15 > 0:18:17the European Union in a difficult situation
0:18:17 > 0:18:23with the new administration.
0:18:23 > 0:18:26Seeming to put into question the last 70 years of
0:18:26 > 0:18:38American foreign policy.
0:18:38 > 0:18:40The chief Brexit negotiator Guy Verhofstadt told a thinktank
0:18:40 > 0:18:43in London, Chatham House, in January, on a trip to Washington
0:18:43 > 0:18:46after the election, every Europenan I met in the US had only
0:18:46 > 0:18:50one conclusion which is that the EU has fewer friends than ever
0:18:50 > 0:18:54in the USA today.
0:18:54 > 0:18:56This week, the EU's Trade Commissioner Cecilia MalStrom
0:18:56 > 0:18:58attacked Donald Trump's protectionist policies of trade
0:18:58 > 0:19:01and migration, saying, those who in the 21st century think
0:19:01 > 0:19:03that we can become great again by rebuilding borders,
0:19:03 > 0:19:05reimposing trade barriers, resticiting people's freedom
0:19:05 > 0:19:07of movement, they are doomed to fail.
0:19:07 > 0:19:24There we go.
0:19:24 > 0:19:27The one thing that is clear is, for the first time since this
0:19:27 > 0:19:31was an issue, the White House is run by someone who is basically hostile
0:19:31 > 0:19:37to the EU.
0:19:37 > 0:19:40That is a total change from any previous administration.
0:19:40 > 0:19:41How should the EU handle this?
0:19:42 > 0:19:45Well, I think it is very important that we try and get some kind
0:19:45 > 0:19:48of workable relationship, but not one where the EU
0:19:48 > 0:19:51and we will talk about Britain as well, we are in a supplicant
0:19:51 > 0:19:52relationship.
0:19:52 > 0:19:56I am worried about the idea we have to somehow support everything that
0:19:56 > 0:19:59Donald Trump is doing and not criticise it in order
0:19:59 > 0:20:00to have that relationship.
0:20:00 > 0:20:03We will still have those commercial relationships at the same time
0:20:03 > 0:20:04as criticising him on human rights.
0:20:04 > 0:20:15And depend on America for defence?
0:20:15 > 0:20:16Potentially.
0:20:16 > 0:20:18This whole development and could push more defence
0:20:18 > 0:20:20cooperation across the EU, could push the EU to
0:20:21 > 0:20:21working more together.
0:20:21 > 0:20:22Spend more money?
0:20:22 > 0:20:23Who knows?
0:20:23 > 0:20:25That is not something for Britain to be involved in.
0:20:25 > 0:20:27We meet our 2% on Nato.
0:20:27 > 0:20:28An interesting point raised there.
0:20:28 > 0:20:32It could be, if the 27 now regard the White House as something
0:20:32 > 0:20:35that is hostile to them, this could actually pull Europe
0:20:35 > 0:20:36together in a number of fronts.
0:20:36 > 0:20:41Yes.
0:20:41 > 0:20:46I think they should cease their hostility to Mr Trump,
0:20:46 > 0:20:49and accept the situation, and talk to his ambassador rather
0:20:49 > 0:20:52than insulting him.
0:20:52 > 0:20:57He hasn't been appointed yet.
0:20:57 > 0:21:00It will be him or someone like him.
0:21:00 > 0:21:01He is a fantasist.
0:21:01 > 0:21:03Let us not go down that road.
0:21:03 > 0:21:06This point has been made, you are right, if the EU wants
0:21:06 > 0:21:10to preserve itself in some form, it should look at what has gone wrong.
0:21:10 > 0:21:13All these political things we have been talking about,
0:21:13 > 0:21:15it should get back to the idea of facilitating trade
0:21:15 > 0:21:17and cooperation, then it could have some future.
0:21:17 > 0:21:19Like the European Free Trade Association.
0:21:19 > 0:21:23That is what we were told it was supposed to be.
0:21:23 > 0:21:30Nobody would object to that.
0:21:31 > 0:21:32It is difficult for you.
0:21:32 > 0:21:34The transatlantic trade deal is dead, over.
0:21:34 > 0:21:37There is a huge argument over defence and of the right
0:21:37 > 0:21:38attitude to Russia.
0:21:38 > 0:21:40There will be increasing, we have not even touched
0:21:40 > 0:21:42on the White House's attitude to Germany's trade
0:21:42 > 0:21:47and currency policy.
0:21:47 > 0:21:51Rough times ahead.
0:21:51 > 0:21:55The way we can face up to them is actually not by supplicating
0:21:55 > 0:21:56ourselves in front of Donald Trump.
0:21:56 > 0:21:59I am very concerned, you talk about trade deals,
0:21:59 > 0:22:03we have had no assurance from the UK Government as part of our new deal
0:22:03 > 0:22:06with the US our health services won't be opened up.
0:22:06 > 0:22:07We haven't even started negotiating it.
0:22:07 > 0:22:09Mrs May says she wants to start.
0:22:09 > 0:22:13No, she said as far as she's concerned the NHS is not for sale.
0:22:13 > 0:22:17At the end of the day, that trade deal, that is a matter
0:22:17 > 0:22:19for the Parliament across the road to decide.
0:22:19 > 0:22:24The British people will decide that.
0:22:24 > 0:22:27The British people are quite disturbed by having their leader
0:22:27 > 0:22:30appearing to fawn and supplicate herself in front of another foreign
0:22:30 > 0:22:32bidder.
0:22:32 > 0:22:35If people decided they wanted to have control when they voted
0:22:35 > 0:22:38to leave the EU, I accept a lot of people did,
0:22:38 > 0:22:41surely we don't want to leave the EU suddenly to become controlled
0:22:41 > 0:22:42by the US.
0:22:42 > 0:22:44We have to move on.
0:22:44 > 0:22:48MEPs are gearing up for a vote on proposals for a new law
0:22:48 > 0:22:50governing non-military robots.
0:22:50 > 0:22:53I guess the military ones got a get out of jail card.
0:22:53 > 0:22:56A committee decided treat leaps ini technology required regulation
0:22:56 > 0:23:01at an EU level.
0:23:01 > 0:23:04Here is Adam again, he's been joined by his new friend,
0:23:04 > 0:23:05his only friend, Sheldon.
0:23:05 > 0:23:08Do think we should have new legislation for robots?
0:23:08 > 0:23:11Why not?
0:23:11 > 0:23:12Why not?
0:23:12 > 0:23:14Yes.
0:23:14 > 0:23:17MEPs on the Justice Committee agree, they have spent two years coming up
0:23:18 > 0:23:19with ideas for new legislation.
0:23:19 > 0:23:22Robots before, in industry, they were kept far away from humans
0:23:22 > 0:23:23because of the dangers.
0:23:23 > 0:23:27Now we see a new generation, but it is also linked
0:23:27 > 0:23:30to interconnectivity, because a new generation of robots
0:23:30 > 0:23:33are connected to networks and they collect a lot of data.
0:23:33 > 0:23:36As they become more intelligent, how will we interact with them
0:23:36 > 0:23:47and what will be the influence on our daily life?
0:23:47 > 0:23:50Top of the list is sorting out who is responsible for driverless
0:23:50 > 0:23:52cars if they have a crash.
0:23:52 > 0:23:55It also suggests robots have a legal status of electronic people.
0:23:55 > 0:23:58Parliament was turned into a sort of low-budget edition of Robot Wars
0:23:58 > 0:24:01to get everyone ready for a vote next week.
0:24:01 > 0:24:03For all the new technology on display, there is plenty
0:24:03 > 0:24:06of old-fashioned human politics as well, because MEPs are split
0:24:06 > 0:24:09on a range of issues, whether there should be a new EU
0:24:09 > 0:24:12robotics agency, a tax on robots for all the jobs they replace,
0:24:13 > 0:24:16even whether robots are scary or not.
0:24:16 > 0:24:23If MEPs vote it through next Thursday, the report will be handed
0:24:23 > 0:24:26to the Commission who will decide whether to proceed with legislation
0:24:26 > 0:24:34which could take years.
0:24:35 > 0:24:37Meaning one country is unlikely to be affected.
0:24:37 > 0:24:38What do you think about Brexit?
0:24:38 > 0:24:39Brazil?
0:24:39 > 0:24:46No, not Brazil, Brexit!
0:24:46 > 0:24:49A problem of communication.
0:24:49 > 0:24:51The French Socialist candidate for President is suggesting
0:24:51 > 0:24:52we should tax robots.
0:24:52 > 0:24:54That would put them in their place.
0:24:54 > 0:24:58On a serious note, we do need to think about what we do to support
0:24:58 > 0:25:00people who have been made unemployed through these developments.
0:25:00 > 0:25:03In Finland, they have brought in a universal income,
0:25:03 > 0:25:09partly to help people whose jobs are being digitised.
0:25:09 > 0:25:10Tax robots?
0:25:10 > 0:25:13Try sending a tax bill to the Terminator.
0:25:13 > 0:25:15I will leave that to you.
0:25:15 > 0:25:16I won't try that myself.
0:25:16 > 0:25:18Thank you, both.
0:25:18 > 0:25:19That is it for now.
0:25:19 > 0:25:23Thank you for joining us, bye-bye.
0:25:35 > 0:25:36Hi there.