:00:20. > :00:24.Hello, do welcome to politics Scotland. Coming up, the Transport
:00:24. > :00:28.Secretary pulls the emergency cord on the west coast rail franchise
:00:28. > :00:31.after flaws were found in the bidding process.
:00:32. > :00:37.As One Nation Ed Miliband delivers an off-the-cuff speech, will he
:00:37. > :00:41.deliver for his party? And MSPs examine -- examine whether
:00:42. > :00:46.cameras should be allowed in court. But first, three civil servants
:00:46. > :00:49.have been suspended due to mistakes in the bidding process for the boy
:00:49. > :00:53.West Coast Mainline. The Government said it was cancelling the
:00:53. > :00:58.Government -- contract awarded to FirstGroup. Virgin trains will
:00:58. > :01:02.continue to run the service. We are joined by a our economy editor,
:01:02. > :01:07.Douglas Fraser, and political commentator if -- commented before
:01:07. > :01:11.the afternoon, Hamish McDonnell. First, Douglas, an absolute
:01:11. > :01:15.catastrophe for the UK Government. What went wrong? The they have not
:01:15. > :01:19.explained fully. The crucial part of the statement that came out this
:01:19. > :01:22.morning from Patrick McLoughlin, the Transport Secretary, explained
:01:22. > :01:25.that mistakes were made in the way that inflation and passenger
:01:25. > :01:26.numbers were taken into account numbers were taken into account
:01:26. > :01:27.numbers were taken into account with this franchise and how much
:01:27. > :01:29.with this franchise and how much with this franchise and how much
:01:29. > :01:36.money bidders were asked to money bidders were asked to
:01:36. > :01:40.guarantee as a result. Basically, a franchise stretching out 15 Years
:01:40. > :01:43.has required the bidders and the Government analysing the beds could
:01:44. > :01:50.guess where inflation will be and how passenger numbers might change
:01:50. > :01:56.over the next 15 years. When you are looking at that the economy
:01:56. > :02:00.recovering, constraint meaning passengers will not rise, a lot of
:02:00. > :02:07.guesswork is required. And the lack of risk assessment that was carried
:02:07. > :02:12.out within Government allies itself to the money guaranteed by this
:02:12. > :02:16.bidding process, that seems to be the core of this problem. It is
:02:16. > :02:21.central to the ladies for untried has worked. This is not a marginal,
:02:21. > :02:27.technical issue, right at the edges of this arrangement of how there
:02:27. > :02:33.really is done in Britain, this is fundamental to the way franchises
:02:33. > :02:38.work. Companies bid, a lot of money put up front in order to have the
:02:38. > :02:44.right to run the services and get profit back again, and it seems
:02:44. > :02:50.this was really pushed -- this has pushed are really flawed model to
:02:50. > :02:54.the limit. Hamish McDonnell, the system up in the air, a new
:02:54. > :02:58.Transport Secretary and the helm, I get -- bet he was grateful he was
:02:58. > :03:01.not there are few weeks ago. Yes, the one thing he can see coming
:03:02. > :03:05.into this is that it was not his fault, as he has only been in the
:03:05. > :03:11.job for a couple of weeks. Politically, this is hugely
:03:11. > :03:16.embarrassing for the UK Government. These were at -- these issues were
:03:16. > :03:21.raised by Ed Miliband in his speech yesterday. He talked about the
:03:21. > :03:26.issue of confidence, describing the Government as an incompetent shower.
:03:26. > :03:29.He also questioned the entire basis of the franchise model by saying,
:03:29. > :03:34.why are companies making lots of money and ticket prices still going
:03:34. > :03:38.up? He seems to head home on both of those and politically this is
:03:38. > :03:43.not good. For the previous Transport Secretary, Justine
:03:43. > :03:47.Greening, her reputation has been thoroughly trashed. We it has, you
:03:47. > :03:50.get the feeling that maybe David Cameron would have preferred to
:03:50. > :03:53.pick of the reshuffle for a couple of weeks so that she could be
:03:53. > :03:57.sacked as a result of this anyway. I think she will find it to get
:03:57. > :04:01.back -- difficult to get back in the Cabinet any time soon. Thank
:04:01. > :04:08.you very much. Let's speak to our Westminster Correspondent in
:04:08. > :04:10.Manchester now covering of the Labour conference. Good afternoon.
:04:11. > :04:15.I am sure there will be reverberations down the track in
:04:15. > :04:19.Whitehall this afternoon. It seems amazing, doesn't it? It seems
:04:19. > :04:24.extraordinary, and one of those ironies we like to talk about. This
:04:24. > :04:30.building behind me, now known as Manchester Central, was the central
:04:30. > :04:35.station for Manchester before it was turned into a conference centre.
:04:35. > :04:39.Here in Manchester, I think most delegates, their initial response
:04:39. > :04:42.initially was pure disbelief, they could not believe this situation
:04:42. > :04:47.where a franchise process had gone through the Department of Transport,
:04:47. > :04:51.the Government came to a decision in favour of FirstGroup, the
:04:51. > :04:55.Aberdeen-based company, and that was that. It seems only. Virgin
:04:55. > :04:59.said they would take legal action and people in the Department of
:05:00. > :05:06.Transport started looking at the case, that they realised their
:05:06. > :05:10.assumptions in the franchise process had gone completely awry.
:05:10. > :05:14.By that is regarding -- that is regarding future passenger numbers
:05:14. > :05:19.and future inflation. Not only is it the West Coast line there is a
:05:19. > :05:23.question over, will virgin be allowed to continue to run it or
:05:23. > :05:27.will the Government in effect takeover and directly run that?
:05:27. > :05:31.They have been at pains to say the trains will carry on running, the
:05:31. > :05:36.same rolling stock, sane drivers, passengers will not see a change,
:05:36. > :05:40.but this is hugely embarrassing. We're not talking about the West
:05:40. > :05:43.Coast line only, they have had to hold three other franchise
:05:43. > :05:48.agreements they were looking at, tendering processes they were
:05:48. > :05:53.looking at, but it raises the old question over what happens to the
:05:53. > :05:59.future of rail franchises in Great Britain. Just one more statistic -
:05:59. > :06:02.before the general election in 2015 it is thought there are something
:06:02. > :06:06.like 15 of these processes which were due to go through. If they
:06:06. > :06:14.have problems resolving this, that could put some of those in jeopardy.
:06:14. > :06:18.Just briefly, one more question on this, we are hearing from Patrick
:06:18. > :06:25.McLoughlin that he is blaming his officials, no sign of ministerial
:06:25. > :06:31.responsibility. As a policy is just knew in the door. As far as he is
:06:31. > :06:36.concerned, I think that is the best thing that could have happened to
:06:36. > :06:40.them. He said he realised what was going on yesterday and that is why
:06:40. > :06:45.he had to pull the agreement for the West Coast mainline and look at
:06:45. > :06:48.it again. The Department of Transport has suspended three staff
:06:48. > :06:54.involved. Patrick McLoughlin does he is going to take the flak for
:06:54. > :06:57.this. The one thing that gives him some kind of solace will be he has
:06:57. > :07:02.only been in the job three weeks on this one, and he can see all of
:07:02. > :07:08.this was done before he got there. He knows now that his job,
:07:08. > :07:14.politically, is to try and sort this out. A we will be back with
:07:14. > :07:18.you later, thank you very much. More on this from a Scottish angle
:07:18. > :07:24.from our political editor, Brian Taylor. He is in Holyrood 4 oz.
:07:24. > :07:27.Thank you for joining me. I think the transport minister probably
:07:27. > :07:31.heard about this late last eight or early this morning, and he is
:07:31. > :07:35.obviously very concerned. He is frankly angry, his response will
:07:35. > :07:43.probably be the same as many others in reaction to these developments,
:07:43. > :07:49.which is, what a way to run a railway. I think Keith Brown is
:07:49. > :07:52.angry and upset. This story was broken at a very late time and the
:07:52. > :07:57.information was not relayed to some of those involved in the tendering
:07:57. > :08:01.process, let alone the Minister for transport in Scotland. He is also
:08:01. > :08:07.apprehensive about the point of the general impact it has on the
:08:07. > :08:13.franchise system. He is concerned immediately about the West Coast
:08:13. > :08:19.Mainline, but also concerned about the impact it could have on at the
:08:19. > :08:24.wider tendering process with an eye to ScotRail. And I think that is
:08:24. > :08:29.probably coming up for renewal quite soon. A great deal of
:08:29. > :08:34.concerns there. It is not one of the immediate concerns, but it
:08:34. > :08:39.would be in further trouble, and the concern is if they are now
:08:39. > :08:43.questions, and it appears there are, over the entire basis of
:08:43. > :08:49.franchising, how can these other franchises be tendered in the
:08:49. > :08:53.future? We are expecting the report on individual actions by the end of
:08:53. > :08:57.October, and the wider report on the impact on franchises by the end
:08:57. > :09:02.of December. Keith Brown is demanding urgent talks with the
:09:02. > :09:06.Department of Transport to try and resolve this. I think he will have
:09:06. > :09:11.to wait in line for that, there are a few other trains shunted up ahead
:09:11. > :09:19.of that, not least sorting out this astonishing double over the West
:09:19. > :09:24.Coast mainline. -- astonishing muddle. Do as far as this remains
:09:24. > :09:30.for Scotland in at the near term, I suppose the West Coast will
:09:30. > :09:32.continue running and the Scottish Government will be trying to keep
:09:32. > :09:37.relations open with minced -- Westminster.
:09:37. > :09:40.Keith Brown was clear his principal objection is just that. He was also
:09:40. > :09:46.asked about the continuity of the service, are their concerns over
:09:46. > :09:51.who will be running it, and he said absolutely none. Brits -- Sir
:09:51. > :09:56.Richard Branson said it would make sense for Virgin to continue to run
:09:56. > :09:59.the service rather than for it to be transferred to the Government.
:10:00. > :10:05.The view was that if the Government could not run the process, how
:10:05. > :10:09.could they run the railway? Thank you very much. I am joined in
:10:10. > :10:15.the studio by Craig Johnson, our regional organiser for the RMT
:10:15. > :10:18.union. Thank you for coming in. We have been hearing about the
:10:18. > :10:22.politics of this and what may happen, but a lot a people are very
:10:22. > :10:26.concerned about the staff. What does this mean for staff currently
:10:26. > :10:30.employed by Virgin? They thought they were going to be moved to
:10:30. > :10:33.FirstGroup in December but that is obviously not going to happen.
:10:33. > :10:37.staff have been in a state of limbo since the announcement was made
:10:37. > :10:41.that FirstGroup were going to get the franchise, and the situation
:10:41. > :10:45.has not been made any better with the chaos around the franchise bid.
:10:45. > :10:51.They are now in the position where they do not know whether there will
:10:51. > :10:55.be working for Virgin, directly operated railways cop -- railways,
:10:55. > :11:00.or FirstGroup. That shows the shambles of the system. It is not
:11:00. > :11:04.the first time, as two franchises have collapsed on the East Coast
:11:04. > :11:09.Main Line already. Have the staff been calling the union to try and
:11:09. > :11:13.find out where they stand? The we have been sending staff drew our
:11:13. > :11:17.members on a periodic basis to ensure everyone is kept up-to-date.
:11:18. > :11:21.We do not know what is going on. The truth is that privatisation is
:11:21. > :11:27.a complete failure and the only way forward is to renationalise the
:11:27. > :11:32.railways. That is a tricky situation, we have seen the failure
:11:32. > :11:37.of franchises on the east coast and now on the West goes, but can the
:11:37. > :11:41.country afford to nationalise the railways? There does not seem an
:11:42. > :11:45.impetus to do that. Ed Miliband certainly was not saying he was in
:11:45. > :11:50.favour of nationalisation. Politicians have to answer to the
:11:50. > :11:55.public, but the reality is privatisation is a failure. We have
:11:55. > :12:05.the most expensive train fares in Europe and taxpayers have to
:12:05. > :12:05.
:12:05. > :12:09.subsidise franchises four times more than British Rail used to get.
:12:09. > :12:13.Most of the money from franchises is still taxpayer-funded. We
:12:13. > :12:17.believe it should be publicly owned, working for the benefit of the
:12:17. > :12:24.economy, local communities and passengers. Under privatisation it
:12:24. > :12:28.works for a lot of spivs, franchise holders and contract holders.
:12:28. > :12:32.are two investigations ongoing, how does this work in other countries
:12:32. > :12:36.where there are no franchises? Obviously the franchise system
:12:36. > :12:40.looks fundamentally flawed from where we stand at the moment.
:12:40. > :12:46.RMT union has said that franchising has been flawed from the very
:12:46. > :12:53.beginning. The rest of Europe do not go down this line. Ironically,
:12:53. > :12:56.a lot of our railways are owned by a state railways of Europe.
:12:56. > :13:00.Northern Line has a big stake in it from the Netherlands National
:13:00. > :13:04.Railway. It is a bit of a shambles. Let's make sure we move forward for
:13:04. > :13:11.the benefit of the country, and the only way to do that is to make it
:13:11. > :13:14.publicly accountable, and get rid of these speculators and spivs.
:13:14. > :13:19.Back to Holyrood now, where the Labour bid -- Labour Party have
:13:19. > :13:22.secured a debate on the contrary's future. Johann Lamont sparked a
:13:22. > :13:28.controversy last week when she questioned which policies we could
:13:28. > :13:31.still afford. The debate will lay down at the gauntlet to the
:13:31. > :13:35.Scottish Government about how they could afford giveaways such as the
:13:35. > :13:38.council tax freeze. Johann Lamont made that argument
:13:38. > :13:42.again at the Labour Party conference in Manchester yesterday,
:13:42. > :13:48.now it is her chance to do so in front of the Scottish Parliament.
:13:48. > :13:52.We know that there are elderly people in our communities who seek
:13:52. > :13:56.a different face every time they are due a visit. We remember all
:13:56. > :14:04.too well the powerful test any of the widow of the late Ken Maitland,
:14:04. > :14:08.who had the indignity of having 106 carers through his door in one year.
:14:08. > :14:13.We know there are elderly people who opt out of carer support
:14:13. > :14:17.because it is no longer working for them. Is this really the kind of
:14:17. > :14:21.care we want to see for our grandparents, mothers and fathers
:14:21. > :14:26.and for ourselves when the time comes? I decided enough was enough.
:14:26. > :14:30.Every week we are told by this SNP Government how wonderful life is in
:14:30. > :14:36.Scotland, and any overhanging problems can be swept away with one
:14:36. > :14:39.that magic solution. The presentation we hear from the First
:14:39. > :14:45.Minister every Thursday bears no resemblance to what I am hearing in
:14:45. > :14:48.my community and across Scotland every other week. But we're not
:14:48. > :14:52.playing the game any more. We cannot tell these women that
:14:52. > :14:57.everything is going to be fine. We cannot finesse something that is
:14:57. > :15:02.not delivering for people. We will refuse to have respect for a
:15:02. > :15:05.Scottish Government which claims to care, but refuses to acknowledge
:15:05. > :15:09.these women and their concerns. A Government which refuses to
:15:09. > :15:13.acknowledge what is going on in the real world. This Scottish
:15:13. > :15:17.Government does not like to be confronted with the reality. In
:15:17. > :15:21.March, the First Minister accused my colleague, Jackie Baillie, of
:15:22. > :15:27.telling scare stories about the shortage of blankets in Scottish
:15:27. > :15:32.hospitals, and it took 92-year-old Helen Macbeth, at Jack Bar, a great
:15:32. > :15:38.grandfather, to come to the Parliament to tell him about their
:15:38. > :15:41.experiences before he was prepared to accept an old people were going
:15:41. > :15:51.without blankets at night. The First Minister told his party
:15:51. > :16:02.
:16:02. > :16:09.People are very positive about New all tuition fees under-threes end
:16:09. > :16:16.of council tax. I would hazard they guess that some of these women I
:16:16. > :16:23.met come from your constituency. It is not convert to tell them it is
:16:23. > :16:29.fantastic, when every day of their lives, the poet is not. They ask,
:16:29. > :16:33.how can this go on? We Kate these take us all circumstances in our
:16:33. > :16:42.community? He should listen to people from across a or communities
:16:42. > :16:48.who are telling us something different. He said he will not
:16:48. > :16:53.allow it tuition fees for Scottish students. He did not say, unless
:16:53. > :16:59.you are a part-time student worry graduate. He did not say that
:16:59. > :17:03.before he cut the bursaries of students by nearly �9,000. He did
:17:03. > :17:09.not say the rocks will melt with the sun before he let the number of
:17:09. > :17:14.people going to college dropped by 18,000. He did not see any of these
:17:14. > :17:20.things. He let Mike Russell go- ahead and make all of these things
:17:20. > :17:28.happen. It is the same guest biggest betrayal of Scotland's
:17:28. > :17:33.young people. It cannot be finessed or wished away. This cannot be
:17:33. > :17:37.explained by a plot the use of statistics. This is what is
:17:37. > :17:44.happening in the real world and the Scottish National Party government
:17:44. > :17:54.refuses to acknowledge it. Mike Russell, who penned that great work
:17:54. > :17:55.
:17:55. > :17:59.A I wonder if she would tell us what she would say to NHS Scotland
:17:59. > :18:04.when they say they are deeply concerned by any return to a
:18:04. > :18:09.tuition fees for Scottish students? When they say, in an e-mail to us
:18:09. > :18:14.all this morning, it is clear that Scotland has the country and
:18:14. > :18:22.society values the principle that access to education should be based
:18:22. > :18:28.on the ability to pay and not the wealth to pay. I would say to the
:18:28. > :18:31.National Union of students, is the right that students who cannot get
:18:31. > :18:40.the place any further education college should pay the price for
:18:40. > :18:44.Mike Russell's policies? We do them a grass grave disservice that
:18:44. > :18:51.implies one set of students are more important than another. This
:18:51. > :18:55.is a man whose great work tells us of his plans to privatise the NHS
:18:55. > :18:59.and tells us that Scotland's real problem with the union is that they
:18:59. > :19:05.get too much money out of it. They say they are killing us with
:19:05. > :19:09.kindness. We do not agree with him on many things, but for those of
:19:09. > :19:14.you not watching Scottish Labour Party conferences, let me read this
:19:14. > :19:19.passage from Mike Russell, universality now drags down with
:19:19. > :19:23.the quality of service for those most in need and the ability of
:19:24. > :19:33.government to provide such services. However, or political parties do
:19:34. > :19:35.
:19:35. > :19:44.not have the courage to address this issue for fear of losing votes.
:19:44. > :19:51.Mind could rustle. Can I thank the Minister of Power rethink the sales
:19:52. > :19:56.of my book once again. I talked about the loss of 20 by 1,000
:19:56. > :20:06.places south of the border she seems they think I will now believe
:20:06. > :20:15.I was wrong. Presiding Officer, that is the generous contribution
:20:15. > :20:24.to the debate I will make. Will she now admit that she is wrong about
:20:24. > :20:31.Scotland's young people? The real difference was that when he wrote
:20:31. > :20:40.the book, he up paused Alex Salmond. He now realise and his patronage.
:20:40. > :20:50.Dashmack Rock he opposed Alex Salmond. It makes no sense
:20:50. > :20:52.
:20:52. > :20:58.whatsoever. Unlike Mike Russell, I am not against universality. I just
:20:58. > :21:03.want to know how we're going to pay for it. We know these concerns
:21:03. > :21:09.exist at the heart of government, yet they are too cynical to voice
:21:09. > :21:19.them. Let me quote the Health Secretary, it would be
:21:19. > :21:20.
:21:20. > :21:26.inappropriate to use scarce resources to fight some of our
:21:26. > :21:32.retired bankers who already received substantial pensions. But
:21:32. > :21:39.now the asset Deputy First Minister does not approve of means testing.
:21:39. > :21:46.If Nicola Sturgeon is approving of this, I look forward to a looking
:21:46. > :21:51.at the maintenance allowance into dental treatment and ending hotel
:21:51. > :21:55.charges in care homes. I look forward to her were to ring the
:21:55. > :21:58.bell which will with the wrong means-testing and legal aid. Anna
:21:59. > :22:08.liked it also know where she is going to find the money to pay for
:22:08. > :22:13.it all. We have the Deputy First Minister who decry is anyone who
:22:13. > :22:18.defies her definition of the word. Be 0 these things are not
:22:18. > :22:24.consistent. This dishonest government continues to insist that
:22:24. > :22:34.an independent Scotland, we could enjoy Scandinavian welfare while
:22:34. > :22:39.cutting taxes. He is right about one thing there was there but we do
:22:39. > :22:44.have scarce resources. �3.3 billion is still to be removed from the
:22:44. > :22:50.Scottish budget. I agree with them that the Conservative dogma is
:22:50. > :23:00.cutting too far and too fast. But these cuts will have to be
:23:00. > :23:08.
:23:08. > :23:14.addressed. What precisely did she imagine John Swinney was asking the
:23:14. > :23:20.other people to do. He asked them the question, what do we do in
:23:20. > :23:26.tough times and Beveridge said, we ask the question not do something
:23:26. > :23:31.as desirable, but whether it is desirable and in tough times, we
:23:31. > :23:37.expect those with the broadest backs to carry the heaviest burden.
:23:37. > :23:45.She is of course in complete denial. There are people out there facing
:23:45. > :23:49.the consequences of SNP cuts every day. You may think it is funny. But
:23:49. > :23:55.if you are a care worker and a mother worried about the quality of
:23:55. > :24:00.a child's education on a parent whose child cannot get access to
:24:00. > :24:06.college, it is not funny on imagine, it is their real world. How are
:24:06. > :24:11.they going to protect? And who are they going to put the burden on? It
:24:11. > :24:16.is the report, commissioned by John Swinney, warned that the
:24:16. > :24:20.contentious issues such as the continuation of universal
:24:20. > :24:27.entitlement must be considered or openly and transparently rather
:24:27. > :24:33.than an polarised terms. I cards they SNP to listen to the man who
:24:33. > :24:37.responded to their request and set up a commission. It seems that in
:24:37. > :24:42.Scottish politics, it is impossible to consider these debates openly
:24:42. > :24:52.and honestly. The debate has been closed down because it suits some
:24:52. > :24:53.
:24:53. > :25:00.people to keep it polarised. Which people in Scotland were shadier
:25:00. > :25:06.referring to end the something for nothing statement? The people who
:25:06. > :25:10.are living with the consequences of you're cuts that living with the
:25:10. > :25:15.consequences that everything is straight forward. Everybody pays a
:25:15. > :25:24.price and in tough times, it should not be the bomb rubble but those of
:25:24. > :25:28.us with broader bags. -- the vulnerable. As Leader of the
:25:28. > :25:32.Opposition, it would have been easier to sit back and pretend we
:25:32. > :25:39.could pay for everything for ever- more. However, I take care too much
:25:39. > :25:46.about Scotland to do that. I care too much about public services to
:25:46. > :25:51.let them bleed to death. The debate is not about means testing, but
:25:51. > :25:56.about what we can afford. It is about a affordability and
:25:56. > :26:01.sustainability and how we protect the most horrible in these tough
:26:01. > :26:06.times. But the SNP has to say about universality will be of little
:26:06. > :26:12.consequence to people who cannot get a place in the colleges that
:26:12. > :26:19.people who cannot get the standard of care required. The SNP do not
:26:19. > :26:25.have the basic understanding of fairness. That is the truth. I will
:26:25. > :26:35.give you one example. Is it the at a mother has to pay �5 a day for
:26:35. > :26:36.
:26:36. > :26:41.the Breakfast Club just to ensure she can get to work. We need an
:26:41. > :26:45.honest debate. As long as the SNP close this debate and have a false
:26:45. > :26:51.argument about this, they denial about the cuts they are
:26:51. > :26:55.implementing now, the people who pay the price for that will be that
:26:55. > :27:03.people of Scotland who do not have the ability to set at the table and
:27:03. > :27:13.listen to the words of Alex Salmond. These people deserve to have their
:27:13. > :27:21.
:27:21. > :27:25.words there. Let us speak again to Hamish. Johann Lamont made a very
:27:25. > :27:32.strong defence of her opinions. With is what she really believes
:27:32. > :27:40.then. She is very passionate about this. She sees this as not a left
:27:40. > :27:46.or right issue, but this is about sticking up for ordinary people,
:27:46. > :27:54.who she feels are getting squeezed by the cuts imposed by Westminster
:27:54. > :27:59.and, as she sees it, the SNP government. But people are going to
:27:59. > :28:08.say, I like my three benefits. It is a tricky one to sell to the
:28:08. > :28:14.public. He yes, it is the hard one. There is a difficulty about been
:28:14. > :28:19.right and tackling a debate which needs to be addressed. She is the
:28:19. > :28:24.only party leader in Scotland to has got to grips with that, but it
:28:24. > :28:29.is different to selling that to the voters, who have a tendency to like
:28:29. > :28:37.populist policies. In her mind, she is tackling something which has to
:28:37. > :28:46.be tackled, but it is a courageous move. The UK Labour Party is now
:28:46. > :28:52.looking at this. Ed Miliband made almost echoes of what Johann Lamont
:28:52. > :28:58.was seen there. Yes, it is right for the United Kingdom government
:28:58. > :29:00.to look at this. There in the same position as in the the Welsh
:29:00. > :29:06.government, the Northern Ireland government and the Scottish
:29:06. > :29:14.government. The amount of money to spend has gone down and they have
:29:14. > :29:20.been borrowing a lot more. Now that there are cuts having to be made,
:29:20. > :29:30.it is very difficult to make cuts in things you are having to pay for
:29:30. > :29:37.you and year out. Speaking of Ed Miliband, he promised to bring the
:29:37. > :29:47.country together as One Nation. He also launched a full-scale attack
:29:47. > :29:59.
:29:59. > :30:04.$:/STARTFEED. We won the war because we birth One
:30:04. > :30:08.Nation. We had peace because it Sapphic -- successive governments
:30:08. > :30:11.understood we were One Nation. Every time Britain has faced its
:30:11. > :30:14.greatest challenges, we have only come through the storm because we
:30:14. > :30:19.were One Nation. The Government has forgotten that
:30:19. > :30:23.lesson. With one million people out of work, we cannot succeed as a
:30:23. > :30:27.country. With the gap between rich and poor growing wider and wider,
:30:27. > :30:31.we cannot succeed as a country. With millions of people feeling
:30:31. > :30:38.that hard work and effort are not rewarded, we cannot succeed as a
:30:38. > :30:43.country. And with so many people having been told for so long that
:30:43. > :30:53.the only way to get on is to be on your own, in it for yourself, we
:30:53. > :30:58.
:30:58. > :31:03.just can't succeed as a country. Yes, friend, to come through the
:31:03. > :31:07.storm, to overcome the challenges we face, we must rediscover that
:31:07. > :31:13.spirit that British people never forgot, that spirit of One Nation.
:31:13. > :31:23.One Nation - a country where everyone plays their part, a
:31:23. > :31:32.
:31:32. > :31:38.In all, there is no more important area of our common life than the UK
:31:38. > :31:46.itself. One of our four countries, Scotland, will be deciding in the
:31:46. > :31:51.next two years whether to stay aboard to go. -- or two ago. A lot
:31:51. > :31:54.to be clear about this - Scotland could leave the United Kingdom come
:31:55. > :32:03.but I believed we would be far worse off as a result. Not just in
:32:03. > :32:13.Pounds and pence, but in the soul of a our nation.
:32:13. > :32:13.
:32:14. > :32:19.You see, I don't believe that Solidarity stops at the border. I
:32:19. > :32:25.care as much about a young person, unemployed, in Motherwell, as I do
:32:25. > :32:30.about a young person, unemployed, here in Manchester. We have common
:32:30. > :32:34.bonds, we have deep bonds with each other. The people of Scotland, and
:32:34. > :32:39.the people of the rest of the United Kingdom. And by the way, if
:32:39. > :32:45.you think about the people of Scotland and the Olympic Games,
:32:45. > :32:52.they were not cheering on just the Scottish athletes of Team GB. They
:32:52. > :33:02.were cheering on all the athletes of Team GB.
:33:02. > :33:07.That is what the SNP don't understand. Why would a party that
:33:07. > :33:12.claims to be left-of-centre back on the redistribution, the Solidarity,
:33:12. > :33:19.the common bonds of the United Kingdom? Friends, it is up to us,
:33:19. > :33:26.it is up to us. We, the Labour Party, must be the people who fight,
:33:26. > :33:36.defend and when that the battle fought the UK. -- and win the
:33:36. > :33:36.
:33:36. > :33:40.Let's head back to Manchester now, to speak to our correspondent at
:33:40. > :33:45.the Labour conference. David, looking at that, do you think Ed
:33:45. > :33:49.Miliband managed to infuse the delegates in the hall? I think
:33:49. > :33:53.there was no doubt they were pretty pleased with what he said, and also
:33:53. > :33:59.the way he said that, speaking off the cuff, without notes, speaking
:33:59. > :34:03.for more than a work and basically giving his idea of what he wanted
:34:03. > :34:07.to take Labour. You asked the question, did he enthused the
:34:07. > :34:13.delegates? Let's find out, I am joined by two Scottish delegates,
:34:13. > :34:21.Taylor Scott and law man, both Labour delegates from Glasgow or
:34:21. > :34:27.thereabouts. -- Laura make man. I am sure that you will see it is a
:34:27. > :34:30.fantastic speech, what were the points that you wanted to hear?
:34:30. > :34:38.was enthused to see such a passionate speech, and as you say,
:34:38. > :34:45.of the calf. -- off the cuff. The atmosphere was electric and there
:34:45. > :34:50.was a real sense of our future. There was not a lot of detail, it
:34:50. > :34:54.was more big picture stuff. We cannot be going out with a
:34:54. > :35:00.speech full of policy. We have to look to the future, where a party
:35:00. > :35:04.rebuilding Britain, rebuilding ourselves. That slogan, rebuilding
:35:05. > :35:10.Britain, is on the building behind you. Behind the platform is the
:35:10. > :35:14.slogan, One Nation. He used the term One Nation 46 times. As a
:35:14. > :35:18.Labour activist, argued comfortable using a slogan better known from a
:35:18. > :35:23.Tory Prime Minister? I think One Nation is an idea that we are
:35:23. > :35:27.united as a country. Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland
:35:27. > :35:32.is built on a partnership of common values, shared passions and
:35:32. > :35:36.interests. We are united country, we have the same problems, same
:35:36. > :35:41.aspirations, and that is what One Nation means to us as Labour
:35:41. > :35:45.members. I was speaking to some Scots yesterday come and they
:35:45. > :35:51.thought he might find it hard to go to the doorstep and sell that, One
:35:51. > :35:55.Nation, people of Scotland saying we are a separate nation.
:35:55. > :35:59.honestly believe that the people of Scotland are interested in jobs and
:35:59. > :36:02.economic growth, and not this obsession with constitutional
:36:02. > :36:07.separation. A thick on the doorsteps people will be encouraged
:36:07. > :36:11.to hear the idea of One Nation, that we are genuine -- genuinely
:36:11. > :36:16.all in it together. What did you have to say on the
:36:16. > :36:20.whole independence argument? He was very strong on that, wasn't he?
:36:20. > :36:24.I think he has shown he is a man leading the UK Labour Party a
:36:24. > :36:28.partnership with the Scottish Labour Party. Both speeches
:36:28. > :36:31.yesterday reminded people that Labour is the party of the people,
:36:31. > :36:37.whether it is in Glasgow, Manchester or the South of England,
:36:37. > :36:40.we are the party united with the same problems. There might be
:36:40. > :36:44.regional daft -- differences, but the same problems and aspirations.
:36:44. > :36:48.He did not put it as starkly as this, but he was arguing that
:36:48. > :36:53.Labour brought around devolution in Scotland and Wales, therefore
:36:53. > :36:59.labour ought to lead the fight against independence. It is true,
:36:59. > :37:02.we did bring about devolution. I think it is important the parties
:37:02. > :37:08.work together to maintain the Union. We are stronger together, that is
:37:08. > :37:11.what is important. The country is in economic crisis, people are
:37:11. > :37:15.interested in putting food on their tables, feeding their children,
:37:15. > :37:20.having jobs and security, they are not interested in this constant
:37:21. > :37:25.obsession, as I said already, with constitutional separation. It may
:37:25. > :37:30.not be at the top of people's agenda, as was indicated there, but
:37:30. > :37:35.we know it is coming. How important is it that the parties work
:37:35. > :37:39.together. And would you be happy if your party leader with -- shared a
:37:39. > :37:43.platform with David Cameron to fight independence? I agree with
:37:43. > :37:52.Laura, the argument on separation and independence supersedes party
:37:52. > :37:56.politics. We cannot rely on the SNP giving us their vision. We have to
:37:57. > :38:00.say, this is what is important to us as a country, but as Labour
:38:00. > :38:06.members we will say, the other party that brought devolution,
:38:06. > :38:11.where the party that will win back power for Holyrood, but we're not a
:38:11. > :38:16.party striving to centralise control. Like the SNP, they are not
:38:17. > :38:20.the party of devolution. And I repeat my question, would you be
:38:20. > :38:24.happy if you're leader shared a platform with David Cameron the
:38:24. > :38:29.fete independence? The fete independence, yes, we are at United
:38:29. > :38:34.Kingdom, David Cameron is the Prime Minister of this country, we do not
:38:34. > :38:39.agree ideologically, but for the future of the UK, together is
:38:39. > :38:42.stronger. Would you agree with that? Yes, I think there is
:38:42. > :38:45.absolutely supersedes party politics. This is about everyone
:38:45. > :38:50.coming together to fight for a United Kingdom, to fight for what
:38:50. > :38:54.is best for people, and I for 1:00am happy to see that happening.
:38:54. > :38:57.Thank you very much for joining us this afternoon. We'll go back into
:38:57. > :39:02.the hall to listen to a question and answer session Ed Miliband is
:39:02. > :39:05.having. He is having the second bite of the cherry, if you like.
:39:05. > :39:14.After his keynote speech yesterday, he is back in the hall with a
:39:14. > :39:19.A plans to tackle anti-social garden hedge owners have been
:39:19. > :39:23.unveiled. Mark big Donald is proposing a change in the law to
:39:23. > :39:28.make it illegal to grow hedges more than two metres tall if it
:39:28. > :39:34.adversely affect neighbours. Audrey Alexander used to grow
:39:34. > :39:37.vegetables in her front garden, but her neighbour's hedge stands at 50
:39:37. > :39:42.feet tall, and that is not enough light for a plant to grow.
:39:42. > :39:46.Mediation has been tried and failed. Our last hope is a change in the
:39:46. > :39:50.law. It is exhausting, emotionally
:39:50. > :39:54.draining the to have a winter where it is a sunny day and you are in
:39:54. > :39:58.darkness, it is very demoralising. I suffer from seasonal affective
:39:58. > :40:04.disorder, so I have to leave my own House to go somewhere else to get
:40:04. > :40:08.sunshine, which I should have in a south-facing hands. Hedges like
:40:08. > :40:12.these can call up to 80 feet tall. If you are in dispute with a
:40:12. > :40:16.neighbour over a hedge like this, under current law There is little
:40:16. > :40:21.you can do about it. In fact, Scotland is the only part of the UK
:40:21. > :40:25.that does not have legislation to tackle this issue. Under the
:40:25. > :40:30.proposed law, when mediation fails and hedges are deemed to be too
:40:30. > :40:34.high, local councils will be able to move in and cut them down.
:40:34. > :40:37.Because a other forms of dispute can be resolved, this is the one
:40:37. > :40:41.the outstanding issue that cannot, so it causes a lot of stress and
:40:41. > :40:48.anxiety for people who find themselves with neighbours with a
:40:48. > :40:53.high hedge, having a Bill that will resolve that will make us better.
:40:53. > :40:58.With Government backing the Bill is likely to become law by spring next
:40:58. > :41:02.year. Let's speak to our political commentator Hamish McDonnell again.
:41:02. > :41:09.This kind of change in the law by Holyrood would be hugely popular,
:41:09. > :41:11.I'm sure. These things really annoy people. Yes, I think there is a
:41:11. > :41:17.tendency for some in the political classes to sneer at these issues
:41:17. > :41:22.and see them as being quite small. I remember the Tory MSP who cut --
:41:22. > :41:25.brought in legislation on dog fouling and told me it was his
:41:25. > :41:31.crowning political achievement. It affected the lives of more people
:41:31. > :41:35.than anything else. These things are important, in MSP's postbags
:41:35. > :41:40.they do not get questions about the constitution or fiscal tax policy,
:41:40. > :41:44.they get questions about dog fouling and hydrogens. This
:41:44. > :41:49.questions -- at -- and high hedges. This will bring us into line with
:41:49. > :41:59.the rest of the UK. To move back to a more esoteric concept, the one-
:41:59. > :42:03.off One Nation, proposed by Ed Miliband in his conference speech.
:42:03. > :42:09.What exactly was he meaning by eight One Nation, do you mean to --
:42:09. > :42:12.do you think? Do it is a very general concept. In its heart, it
:42:12. > :42:17.is about being against divisions, the sort of divisions he suggested
:42:17. > :42:20.were being created by the coalition Government, putting public against
:42:20. > :42:25.private sector, but in Scotland against the rest of the UK, rich
:42:25. > :42:30.against poor, that sort of thing. He was trying to tie everything
:42:30. > :42:34.together under this slogan of One Nation. Yes, it was taken from a
:42:34. > :42:38.former Conservative Prime Minister, Benjamin Disraeli, but it was
:42:38. > :42:44.generally an extraordinarily good speech. It had a theme to tie it
:42:44. > :42:48.all together, he was confident, relaxed, he got standing ovations,
:42:48. > :42:53.and yes, it was a little light on the policy side - I thought when is
:42:53. > :42:57.he going to come up with all these great policies to back up this idea,
:42:57. > :43:04.and there were one or two, but a very good speech to try and propel
:43:04. > :43:11.them upwards, the light on policy. Thank you for Europe dues. MSPs
:43:11. > :43:15.have been told allowing television cameras into court would lead to
:43:15. > :43:20.making it into a Holyrood liked situation.
:43:20. > :43:24.Here is a flavour of the discussion. Do there are is a real danger that
:43:24. > :43:27.if cameras are allowed in without limitations in High Court trials
:43:27. > :43:34.they will trivialise the proceedings and reduce them to the
:43:34. > :43:38.OJ Simpson... There is no getting around the fact
:43:38. > :43:47.that whether it is STD or Channel 4, it is a question of prime-time
:43:47. > :43:50.entertainment. -- whether it is Scottish Television.
:43:50. > :43:54.Why should an accused who is acquitted should have his trial
:43:54. > :43:59.shown on television. You would have the allegations replayed again and
:43:59. > :44:02.again. Could I suggest there is a wider interest in criminal trials,
:44:02. > :44:07.and the public interest in criminal trials? After all, we pay for
:44:07. > :44:13.everything that happens, the judge, the defence lawyer, the Crown, and
:44:13. > :44:18.we have a right to know what is going on.
:44:18. > :44:21.Bayern against television, despite not against television, but I am
:44:21. > :44:25.totally opposed to television broadcasting a criminal trial. If
:44:25. > :44:29.someone is acquitted, that is something the justice system has
:44:29. > :44:34.done. Why should it then before a television company to put together
:44:34. > :44:37.some kind of package of what it thinks happened in the trial, of
:44:38. > :44:41.what it thinks the evidence amounted to come and show it to the
:44:41. > :44:48.public and large and say this man has been acquitted but you decide
:44:48. > :44:56.for yourselves? Trial by television. That is a very real risk. The last
:44:56. > :44:59.point, again, is about the role of the media. We now have instant
:44:59. > :45:04.messaging systems where people can sit in court with a mobile phone
:45:04. > :45:08.and broadcast the evidence as it is taking place. Two witnesses who are
:45:09. > :45:16.waiting to give evidence in the same building. Once that
:45:16. > :45:20.information is out there, it is out there as I understand it for good.
:45:21. > :45:24.The people who write what I am reliably informed or blogs or
:45:24. > :45:29.diaries of some time, you cannot find them, locate them, and they
:45:29. > :45:33.can put on the internet, this man is on trial today, I say to the
:45:33. > :45:37.jury he has 43 previous convictions, he is a rock, a villain, a
:45:37. > :45:41.charlatan, it is your job to convict him. And there is nothing
:45:41. > :45:46.we can do about it, and the media will shrug its shoulders and say
:45:46. > :45:50.that is the way it is. There is a crying need for regulation at the
:45:51. > :45:55.hands of this Parliament to preserve the justice system that I
:45:55. > :45:58.think is important to us all, much more than the media's ability to
:45:58. > :46:02.cover criminal trials. I would argue that public interest
:46:02. > :46:07.is best served by exposing the courts to as much public scrutiny
:46:07. > :46:12.as is possible. I don't see for a second any reason why the
:46:12. > :46:16.experience of attending court cannot be simulated, warts and all,
:46:16. > :46:22.with the presence of carefully, strategically placed cameras.
:46:22. > :46:26.In terms of the impact of the image of a witness in the case, we're
:46:27. > :46:32.arguing about whether it moves on it is still, because you can have a
:46:32. > :46:36.photograph and use that after a certain point of evidence. I cannot
:46:36. > :46:41.see that well regulated television coverage of a trial materially
:46:41. > :46:46.alter is the basic proposition, which is that any report has to be
:46:46. > :46:52.fair, it has to be accurate, contemporaneous. That has always
:46:52. > :46:57.been the case. I honestly don't understand the argument that
:46:57. > :47:07.television is somehow so much more pernicious end the way it conveys
:47:07. > :47:11.images of a trial. I think those experiments should continue. Free
:47:11. > :47:15.speech in this country and in Europe carries responsibilities,
:47:15. > :47:22.and that free speech, the rate of article 10, has to be balanced to a
:47:22. > :47:27.rate of fair trial, article 6. We could talk about the US, because
:47:27. > :47:31.the US values its free speech. Yet it also has other safeguards, such
:47:31. > :47:35.as Judy vetting, which insures the right to a fair trial. We do not
:47:35. > :47:38.have the vetting in this country, which is why contempt of court is
:47:38. > :47:44.essential, which is why it needs to be extended and rigorously updated
:47:44. > :47:48.to take account of technological advances. Otherwise, we're going to
:47:48. > :47:50.have cameras in their, and with the greatest respect for the media
:47:50. > :47:59.saying we have genuine interest, genuine interest is not a concern
:47:59. > :48:09.for justice. We will open the floodgates on Holyrood for our
:48:09. > :48:11.
:48:11. > :48:14.chords. Let us head to Holyrood now and get
:48:14. > :48:18.some more reaction on our top story today - the UK government scrapping
:48:18. > :48:25.the awarding of the West Coast rail franchise. I am joined now by Alex
:48:25. > :48:34.Johnstone, the Conservatives' Transport spokesman. When did you
:48:34. > :48:38.first hear the news about this? first heard this morning on the BBC.
:48:39. > :48:46.Even many hours after this, I waited to hear from the United
:48:46. > :48:53.Kingdom Government about what was happening. This is in contravention
:48:53. > :48:59.to the respect agenda we have with them. People deserve to have their
:48:59. > :49:07.voices heard and they deserve to hear this before it was announced
:49:07. > :49:14.by the United Kingdom Government. you now trying to find out what is
:49:14. > :49:18.happening? For what we have said as we have to have more detail. I
:49:18. > :49:25.believe there are crucial aspects in the second of the reviews which
:49:25. > :49:30.will look at franchising, but it has not yet had its remit fixed.
:49:30. > :49:35.That is important as we are entering into a franchise situation
:49:35. > :49:40.with ScotRail in Scotland. Of the review comes back in a few months'
:49:40. > :49:44.time with significant changes to the franchise process, we could be
:49:44. > :49:52.further down the road in our own process, so we cannot have that
:49:52. > :50:02.sort of uncertainty, as it could undermine rail services in Scotland.
:50:02. > :50:05.He or colleagues running this, this is surely a shambles? It is
:50:05. > :50:09.unfortunate, but I believe the Government have done the right
:50:09. > :50:13.thing by admitting there is a serious problem and starting this
:50:14. > :50:17.process again. It is important there is action done as quickly as
:50:17. > :50:25.possible. If they had done anything different, they would have been
:50:25. > :50:29.accused of covering it up. Miliband was talking yesterday
:50:29. > :50:36.about the incompetent government and he got a standing of nation.
:50:36. > :50:40.Surely he was right, in light of this? By a to this announcement,
:50:40. > :50:45.the government did believe that was in the right. The advice they got
:50:45. > :50:50.was wrong. They have done the right thing and halted the legal process.
:50:50. > :50:55.That is the key element of this. The main thing we have to remember
:50:55. > :50:59.is that passengers will not be affected. There will be continuity
:50:59. > :51:03.of service and the franchising process will now be carried out
:51:03. > :51:10.from the start again to make sure it is a free and open process.
:51:10. > :51:15.There are blaming the officials - what has happened to ministerial
:51:15. > :51:21.responsibility? A where advice was an appropriate and the process was
:51:21. > :51:25.wrongly handled, it was right for government to admit there was a
:51:25. > :51:32.problem and put it right. That is exactly what they're doing today.
:51:32. > :51:36.There are is a more fundamental problem here. He we are speaking to
:51:36. > :51:40.the union before. The whole franchise system devised by the
:51:40. > :51:48.Labour government does not work. The East Coast franchise has been
:51:48. > :51:56.in trouble and now it there is this problem in the West. This has been
:51:56. > :52:01.a complete shambles. Clearly, there has been a failure of ministerial
:52:01. > :52:06.oversight, but we do want to look at the future of franchising and
:52:06. > :52:10.rail services. We need to know what impact this will have on the future
:52:10. > :52:19.of franchise arrangements in Scotland through stop let us not
:52:19. > :52:22.just look at franchise arrangements. There is other aspects to look at.
:52:22. > :52:28.We want the debate in Scotland around the future of real to go far
:52:28. > :52:33.Warwick wider than just that. Miliband was complaining about the
:52:33. > :52:38.rail companies making huge profits and passengers been hit with huge
:52:38. > :52:43.increases in fares. Would you like to see the railways renationalise?
:52:43. > :52:51.I thing there is an issue in Scotland particularly about what we
:52:51. > :52:56.could and couldn't do to the legislature. We could look at other
:52:56. > :53:02.methods, including a not-for-profit model. There are bigger issues
:53:02. > :53:09.about accountability in the rail network and passengers paying
:53:09. > :53:14.through the nose for services. They have to have a bigger debate than
:53:14. > :53:19.simply the franchises. What is the future of railways in Scotland?
:53:19. > :53:25.Also, the future of railways in Scotland in an independent Scotland,
:53:25. > :53:34.what model which you use? Which you want it week nationalised? We judge
:53:34. > :53:40.should know that the franchise requirement applies to to the
:53:40. > :53:44.Labour Party. The approved it. The franchise under the East Coast main
:53:44. > :53:50.line failed and we feel there are problems with the franchises. We
:53:50. > :53:55.think it is a very expensive process and have we have seen today,
:53:55. > :54:05.there is around the �40 million bill for others. Richard Baker
:54:05. > :54:06.
:54:06. > :54:10.should not these basic facts. going to consider changes? The we
:54:10. > :54:15.have to consider transport policy just now with the constraints we
:54:15. > :54:21.have. One relates to franchise. We need to have the separation of
:54:21. > :54:26.trains and track. We need to look at ways to improve the service. We
:54:26. > :54:31.have looked at ways to improve for example the super service. Thank
:54:31. > :54:37.you all very much. Let us get some final thoughts now, in the company
:54:37. > :54:46.of our commentator for the afternoon Hamish Macdonell. The
:54:46. > :54:56.Prime Minister speaks to the Conservative conference next week.
:54:56. > :54:57.
:54:57. > :55:02.Is Ed Miliband now a tougher act to follow? Most Devon a life. Ed
:55:02. > :55:08.Miliband's speech was very well received, as was Nick Clegg's at
:55:08. > :55:13.the Liberal conference the previous week. The influence the mood of the
:55:13. > :55:18.party and the way the country sees the leader of their party. People
:55:18. > :55:23.see the sound bites on the use it Reid reports. That is why we do
:55:23. > :55:32.spend so much time working on these speeches. There is a lot riding on
:55:32. > :55:42.them. That standing ovation that Ed Miliband received for that back of
:55:42. > :55:50.the envelope incompetent government and the likes of this incident with
:55:50. > :55:54.the rail franchise is the sort of thing they could capitalise on?
:55:54. > :56:00.not only did Ed Miliband say that the Government was an incompetent
:56:00. > :56:06.shower, but the next day, it appeared that he had got it spot on.
:56:06. > :56:10.It is important that the coalition knows where it's going to stop the
:56:10. > :56:15.need to put out that they know the Roy road is hard, but they know
:56:15. > :56:23.which direction they are going. They have an advantage, but they
:56:23. > :56:30.still have to deliver. Ed Miliband made this point that borrowing is
:56:30. > :56:34.going up and the plan is not working. When the medicine is not
:56:34. > :56:44.working and the doctor is not working, it is time to change the
:56:44. > :56:45.
:56:45. > :56:52.doctor. Yes, the one thing that Ed Miliband did not come up with was a
:56:52. > :56:56.alternative plan. What David Cameron has to do it is put forward
:56:57. > :57:03.a alternative plan. David Cameron has the reputation as a good
:57:03. > :57:11.speaker and he has to live up to that next week. Last week, Nick
:57:11. > :57:19.Clegg used an autocue. Yesterday, Ed Miliband did not use any autocue
:57:19. > :57:25.and apart we just rehearsed the speech in his head. Yes, that much
:57:25. > :57:30.of this is actually off the cuff and what is from memory is hard to
:57:30. > :57:33.see. I think of David Cameron does march around the stage, he will
:57:33. > :57:39.simply look a bit like the other leaders and I expect he will do
:57:39. > :57:43.something different. That is all we have time for on the programme this
:57:44. > :57:47.afternoon. Holyrood is in recess for the next two weeks, so we are
:57:47. > :57:49.off the air, but our colleagues on the Daily Politics will have full