06/03/2013

:00:18. > :00:20.Hello and welcome to Politics Hello and welcome to Politics

:00:20. > :00:21.Scotland. Coming up. Scotland. Coming up.

:00:21. > :00:22.Scotland. Coming up. Scotland. Coming up.

:00:22. > :00:22.It is a numbers' game today. New It is a numbers' game today. New

:00:22. > :00:23.It is a numbers' game today. New figures are published showing that,

:00:23. > :00:24.figures are published showing that, figures are published showing that,

:00:24. > :00:25.last year, Scotland spent more than last year, Scotland spent more than

:00:25. > :00:26.last year, Scotland spent more than it raised, but contributed more to

:00:26. > :00:30.it raised, but contributed more to it raised, but contributed more to

:00:30. > :00:31.it raised, but contributed more to the UK than we got back. We'll also

:00:31. > :00:32.the UK than we got back. We'll also the UK than we got back. We'll also

:00:32. > :00:33.the UK than we got back. We'll also be talking troop numbers as we take

:00:33. > :00:34.be talking troop numbers as we take be talking troop numbers as we take

:00:34. > :00:35.a live ministerial statement in a live ministerial statement in

:00:35. > :00:36.a live ministerial statement in Holyrood after the news. Scotland

:00:36. > :00:37.Holyrood after the news. Scotland Holyrood after the news. Scotland

:00:37. > :00:40.will have fewer soldiers based here will have fewer soldiers based here

:00:40. > :00:41.will have fewer soldiers based here than promised by the UK government.

:00:41. > :00:42.than promised by the UK government. than promised by the UK government.

:00:42. > :00:42.And here at Westminster, MPs too, And here at Westminster, MPs too,

:00:43. > :00:43.And here at Westminster, MPs too, are considering what the future

:00:44. > :00:51.are considering what the future are considering what the future

:00:51. > :00:52.military footprint in Scotland will look like.

:00:52. > :00:52.look like. look like.

:00:52. > :00:53.This weighty tome has been This weighty tome has been

:00:53. > :00:59.This weighty tome has been published today by the Scottish

:00:59. > :01:00.published today by the Scottish published today by the Scottish

:01:00. > :01:01.Government. It is essentially their Government. It is essentially their

:01:01. > :01:02.Government. It is essentially their balance sheet, a snapshot of the

:01:02. > :01:03.balance sheet, a snapshot of the nation's finances. It shows

:01:03. > :01:04.nation's finances. It shows nation's finances. It shows

:01:04. > :01:05.Scotland spent more than it raised Scotland spent more than it raised

:01:05. > :01:06.Scotland spent more than it raised last year although the situation is

:01:06. > :01:07.last year although the situation is last year although the situation is

:01:07. > :01:08.last year although the situation is better than that in the rest of the

:01:08. > :01:09.better than that in the rest of the better than that in the rest of the

:01:09. > :01:10.UK. Our business and economics UK. Our business and economics

:01:10. > :01:11.correspondent David Henderson has correspondent David Henderson has

:01:11. > :01:13.correspondent David Henderson has been casting his eye over the

:01:13. > :01:15.numbers. numbers.

:01:15. > :01:16.numbers. How strong it is Scotland's economy

:01:17. > :01:18.How strong it is Scotland's economy How strong it is Scotland's economy

:01:18. > :01:20.How strong it is Scotland's economy and how would it a fair if Scotland

:01:21. > :01:21.and how would it a fair if Scotland and how would it a fair if Scotland

:01:21. > :01:23.was independent? New figures reveal was independent? New figures reveal

:01:23. > :01:25.was independent? New figures reveal a mixed picture. According to

:01:25. > :01:27.a mixed picture. According to official figures, they amount

:01:27. > :01:28.official figures, they amount official figures, they amount

:01:28. > :01:31.Scotland spent was more than it Scotland spent was more than it

:01:31. > :01:32.Scotland spent was more than it Scotland spent was more than it

:01:32. > :01:33.raised in revenue last year. It ran raised in revenue last year. It ran

:01:33. > :01:34.raised in revenue last year. It ran raised in revenue last year. It ran

:01:34. > :01:39.up a debt of �3.4 billion. Weather up a debt of �3.4 billion. Weather

:01:39. > :01:39.up a debt of �3.4 billion. Weather up a debt of �3.4 billion. Weather

:01:39. > :01:43.you take into account -- or when you take into account -- or when

:01:43. > :01:44.you take into account -- or when you take into account Scotland's

:01:44. > :01:51.you take into account Scotland's you take into account Scotland's

:01:52. > :01:53.geographical share of North Sea oil geographical share of North Sea oil

:01:53. > :01:55.geographical share of North Sea oil geographical share of North Sea oil

:01:55. > :01:59.that a minus 82.3% of GDP. These that a minus 82.3% of GDP. These

:01:59. > :02:00.that a minus 82.3% of GDP. These that a minus 82.3% of GDP. These

:02:00. > :02:01.figures also show the amount of all figures also show the amount of all

:02:01. > :02:02.figures also show the amount of all figures also show the amount of all

:02:02. > :02:04.revenue from the North Sea or rose revenue from the North Sea or rose

:02:04. > :02:05.revenue from the North Sea or rose revenue from the North Sea or rose

:02:05. > :02:09.last year. The SNP says this is a last year. The SNP says this is a

:02:09. > :02:10.last year. The SNP says this is a sign of the huge financial benefits

:02:10. > :02:13.sign of the huge financial benefits sign of the huge financial benefits

:02:13. > :02:14.oil would bring to an independent oil would bring to an independent

:02:14. > :02:15.oil would bring to an independent Scotland. The UK Government says

:02:15. > :02:25.Scotland. The UK Government says Scotland. The UK Government says

:02:25. > :02:28.

:02:28. > :02:29.Scotland. The UK Government says that all prices are volatile. I am

:02:29. > :02:30.that all prices are volatile. I am that all prices are volatile. I am

:02:30. > :02:31.that all prices are volatile. I am now joined in the studio by our

:02:31. > :02:32.now joined in the studio by our now joined in the studio by our

:02:32. > :02:33.business and economy editor Douglas business and economy editor Douglas

:02:33. > :02:35.Fraser, the economic commentator Fraser, the economic commentator

:02:35. > :02:36.Fraser, the economic commentator and editor of the Scot-Buzz website.

:02:36. > :02:37.and editor of the Scot-Buzz website. and editor of the Scot-Buzz website.

:02:37. > :02:39.and editor of the Scot-Buzz website. We were hearing some of the figures

:02:39. > :02:40.We were hearing some of the figures We were hearing some of the figures

:02:40. > :02:43.from David. People arguing about from David. People arguing about

:02:43. > :02:44.from David. People arguing about from David. People arguing about

:02:44. > :02:45.what this does actually mean. what this does actually mean.

:02:45. > :02:48.what this does actually mean. what this does actually mean.

:02:48. > :02:55.best to start with why it matters. best to start with why it matters.

:02:55. > :02:56.best to start with why it matters. best to start with why it matters.

:02:56. > :02:58.best to start with why it matters. It is a we are showing -- it was

:02:58. > :02:59.It is a we are showing -- it was It is a we are showing -- it was

:02:59. > :02:59.aware of showing how dependent aware of showing how dependent

:02:59. > :03:02.aware of showing how dependent Scotland was of the UK Government.

:03:02. > :03:03.Scotland was of the UK Government. Scotland was of the UK Government.

:03:03. > :03:07.Scotland was of the UK Government. Now it is more useful for the pro-

:03:07. > :03:08.Now it is more useful for the pro- Now it is more useful for the pro-

:03:08. > :03:09.independence parties. It has a lot independence parties. It has a lot

:03:09. > :03:10.independence parties. It has a lot independence parties. It has a lot

:03:10. > :03:14.to do from the revenue that comes to do from the revenue that comes

:03:14. > :03:15.to do from the revenue that comes to do from the revenue that comes

:03:15. > :03:23.from oil and gas. It is all right from oil and gas. It is all right

:03:23. > :03:24.from oil and gas. It is all right from oil and gas. It is all right

:03:24. > :03:27.to run a deficit. A 2.3% deficit is to run a deficit. A 2.3% deficit is

:03:27. > :03:27.to run a deficit. A 2.3% deficit is to run a deficit. A 2.3% deficit is

:03:27. > :03:29.a manageable amount. If you add him a manageable amount. If you add him

:03:29. > :03:30.a manageable amount. If you add him a manageable amount. If you add him

:03:30. > :03:32.capital spending, you get up to 5% capital spending, you get up to 5%

:03:32. > :03:33.capital spending, you get up to 5% which looks rather less manageable.

:03:33. > :03:34.which looks rather less manageable. which looks rather less manageable.

:03:34. > :03:37.which looks rather less manageable. But look at how that compares with

:03:37. > :03:39.But look at how that compares with But look at how that compares with

:03:39. > :03:41.But look at how that compares with the UK. The UK was looking at

:03:41. > :03:43.the UK. The UK was looking at the UK. The UK was looking at

:03:43. > :03:46.almost 8% deficit. That is the almost 8% deficit. That is the

:03:46. > :03:47.almost 8% deficit. That is the unmanageable bit of the public

:03:47. > :03:49.unmanageable bit of the public unmanageable bit of the public

:03:49. > :03:50.finances which is dominating our finances which is dominating our

:03:50. > :03:51.finances which is dominating our finances. That is what George

:03:51. > :03:52.finances. That is what George finances. That is what George

:03:52. > :03:53.finances. That is what George Osborne has tried to bear down on.

:03:53. > :03:57.Osborne has tried to bear down on. Osborne has tried to bear down on.

:03:57. > :04:00.Osborne has tried to bear down on. He needs to go that below 3%.

:04:00. > :04:01.He needs to go that below 3%. He needs to go that below 3%.

:04:01. > :04:04.that Scottish figure, that is quite that Scottish figure, that is quite

:04:04. > :04:06.that Scottish figure, that is quite positive news for John Swinney?

:04:06. > :04:08.positive news for John Swinney? positive news for John Swinney?

:04:08. > :04:10.think the whole document is very think the whole document is very

:04:10. > :04:11.think the whole document is very supportive of the SNP's position

:04:11. > :04:12.supportive of the SNP's position supportive of the SNP's position

:04:12. > :04:15.and the case for independence. and the case for independence.

:04:15. > :04:16.and the case for independence. and the case for independence.

:04:16. > :04:17.There is no doubt that it shows the There is no doubt that it shows the

:04:17. > :04:21.There is no doubt that it shows the absolute vital importance of North

:04:21. > :04:22.absolute vital importance of North absolute vital importance of North

:04:22. > :04:23.Sea oil revenue. However, when you Sea oil revenue. However, when you

:04:23. > :04:24.Sea oil revenue. However, when you Sea oil revenue. However, when you

:04:24. > :04:28.go into these figures, all sorts of go into these figures, all sorts of

:04:28. > :04:28.go into these figures, all sorts of go into these figures, all sorts of

:04:28. > :04:32.questions come up. The first is the questions come up. The first is the

:04:32. > :04:33.questions come up. The first is the sustainability of these a North Sea

:04:34. > :04:38.sustainability of these a North Sea sustainability of these a North Sea

:04:38. > :04:39.oil revenues, they are very oil revenues, they are very

:04:39. > :04:40.volatile. The fastest-growing area volatile. The fastest-growing area

:04:40. > :04:44.in the Scottish government's in the Scottish government's

:04:44. > :04:48.in the Scottish government's spending budget is health. -- is

:04:48. > :04:49.spending budget is health. -- is spending budget is health. -- is

:04:49. > :04:50.spending budget is health. -- is not health, or education, it is our

:04:50. > :04:52.not health, or education, it is our not health, or education, it is our

:04:52. > :04:54.not health, or education, it is our share of UK debt interest. That is

:04:54. > :04:55.share of UK debt interest. That is share of UK debt interest. That is

:04:55. > :04:57.share of UK debt interest. That is now up to four billion a year and

:04:57. > :04:58.now up to four billion a year and now up to four billion a year and

:04:58. > :05:02.rising. That is a problem at rising. That is a problem at

:05:02. > :05:03.rising. That is a problem at servicing that debt. We are now

:05:03. > :05:08.servicing that debt. We are now servicing that debt. We are now

:05:08. > :05:10.spending more on servicing the debt spending more on servicing the debt

:05:10. > :05:11.spending more on servicing the debt spending more on servicing the debt

:05:11. > :05:13.in the UK than before the downturn. in the UK than before the downturn.

:05:13. > :05:14.in the UK than before the downturn. The cost of servicing that debt,

:05:14. > :05:16.The cost of servicing that debt, The cost of servicing that debt,

:05:16. > :05:22.The cost of servicing that debt, even at low interest rates, is more

:05:22. > :05:22.even at low interest rates, is more even at low interest rates, is more

:05:22. > :05:27.even at low interest rates, is more than we are spending on defence. If

:05:27. > :05:28.than we are spending on defence. If than we are spending on defence. If

:05:28. > :05:29.interest rates go up, because we interest rates go up, because we

:05:29. > :05:33.interest rates go up, because we interest rates go up, because we

:05:33. > :05:35.never know what is going to happen, never know what is going to happen,

:05:35. > :05:36.never know what is going to happen, never know what is going to happen,

:05:36. > :05:41.we could find a horrible a squeeze we could find a horrible a squeeze

:05:41. > :05:42.we could find a horrible a squeeze on public finances. It is very

:05:42. > :05:43.on public finances. It is very on public finances. It is very

:05:43. > :05:47.on public finances. It is very germane it to the SNP's advocacy of

:05:47. > :05:48.germane it to the SNP's advocacy of germane it to the SNP's advocacy of

:05:48. > :05:51.independence. We would have more independence. We would have more

:05:51. > :05:53.borrowing powers in independence. borrowing powers in independence.

:05:53. > :05:53.borrowing powers in independence. borrowing powers in independence.

:05:53. > :05:59.We would be able to do more on We would be able to do more on

:06:00. > :06:01.We would be able to do more on welfare spending or what ever. But

:06:01. > :06:02.welfare spending or what ever. But welfare spending or what ever. But

:06:03. > :06:04.that argument for more borrowing that argument for more borrowing

:06:04. > :06:05.that argument for more borrowing that argument for more borrowing

:06:05. > :06:06.powers, you have to cast that in powers, you have to cast that in

:06:06. > :06:07.powers, you have to cast that in powers, you have to cast that in

:06:07. > :06:08.the wider context of the amount of the wider context of the amount of

:06:08. > :06:17.the wider context of the amount of debt interest that we already have

:06:17. > :06:18.debt interest that we already have to service. Thank you.

:06:18. > :06:19.to service. Thank you. to service. Thank you.

:06:19. > :06:20.to service. Thank you. Later in the programme, we will be

:06:20. > :06:21.Later in the programme, we will be Later in the programme, we will be

:06:21. > :06:22.hearing from the Finance Secretary hearing from the Finance Secretary

:06:22. > :06:23.hearing from the Finance Secretary John Swinney but first, let's get

:06:23. > :06:24.John Swinney but first, let's get John Swinney but first, let's get

:06:24. > :06:25.some more political reaction in the some more political reaction in the

:06:25. > :06:26.some more political reaction in the Garden Lobby at Holyrood from the

:06:26. > :06:27.Garden Lobby at Holyrood from the Scottish Conservative Murdo Fraser

:06:27. > :06:28.Scottish Conservative Murdo Fraser Scottish Conservative Murdo Fraser

:06:28. > :06:32.and for Scottish Labour, we have Rhoda Grant.

:06:32. > :06:33.Rhoda Grant. Rhoda Grant.

:06:33. > :06:34.Good afternoon. We were hearing in Good afternoon. We were hearing in

:06:34. > :06:35.Good afternoon. We were hearing in our discussion at some fairly

:06:35. > :06:39.our discussion at some fairly our discussion at some fairly

:06:39. > :06:42.positive news for John Swinney. positive news for John Swinney.

:06:42. > :06:46.positive news for John Swinney. shows that the deficit for the

:06:46. > :06:46.shows that the deficit for the shows that the deficit for the

:06:47. > :06:48.Scottish government is 7.6 billion. Scottish government is 7.6 billion.

:06:49. > :06:50.Scottish government is 7.6 billion. Scottish government is 7.6 billion.

:06:50. > :06:51.That is not good news in anyone's That is not good news in anyone's

:06:51. > :06:54.That is not good news in anyone's books. The public spending per head

:06:54. > :06:55.books. The public spending per head books. The public spending per head

:06:56. > :06:57.books. The public spending per head is now �1,200 higher than it is in

:06:57. > :07:01.is now �1,200 higher than it is in is now �1,200 higher than it is in

:07:01. > :07:02.England and Wales. A substantial England and Wales. A substantial

:07:02. > :07:03.England and Wales. A substantial gap that Scotland is benefiting

:07:03. > :07:08.gap that Scotland is benefiting gap that Scotland is benefiting

:07:08. > :07:11.gap that Scotland is benefiting from as part of the UK. Another

:07:11. > :07:12.from as part of the UK. Another from as part of the UK. Another

:07:12. > :07:13.document published, that was leaked, document published, that was leaked,

:07:13. > :07:15.document published, that was leaked, it gives a more interesting figure

:07:15. > :07:17.it gives a more interesting figure it gives a more interesting figure

:07:17. > :07:23.and shows that on current and shows that on current

:07:23. > :07:24.and shows that on current projections, by 2016, the year that

:07:24. > :07:25.projections, by 2016, the year that Scotland would become independent

:07:25. > :07:28.Scotland would become independent Scotland would become independent

:07:28. > :07:29.if the SNP are successful, Scotland if the SNP are successful, Scotland

:07:29. > :07:31.if the SNP are successful, Scotland if the SNP are successful, Scotland

:07:31. > :07:33.would be in a much worse situation would be in a much worse situation

:07:33. > :07:35.would be in a much worse situation would be in a much worse situation

:07:35. > :07:37.because of a projected fall in oil because of a projected fall in oil

:07:37. > :07:38.because of a projected fall in oil revenues. The SNP know this but

:07:38. > :07:42.revenues. The SNP know this but revenues. The SNP know this but

:07:42. > :07:43.revenues. The SNP know this but they do not want to talk about it.

:07:43. > :07:44.they do not want to talk about it. they do not want to talk about it.

:07:44. > :07:48.That secret document showed the That secret document showed the

:07:48. > :07:49.That secret document showed the volatility of oil revenues and a

:07:49. > :07:50.volatility of oil revenues and a volatility of oil revenues and a

:07:50. > :07:51.labour are pointing that out today. labour are pointing that out today.

:07:51. > :07:52.labour are pointing that out today. We are very fortunate in Scotland

:07:52. > :07:55.We are very fortunate in Scotland We are very fortunate in Scotland

:07:55. > :07:57.to have that oil on stream to have that oil on stream

:07:57. > :07:59.to have that oil on stream providing a rich resource. Indeed,

:07:59. > :08:09.providing a rich resource. Indeed, providing a rich resource. Indeed,

:08:09. > :08:10.

:08:10. > :08:11.providing a rich resource. Indeed, it is a good resource. But we heard

:08:11. > :08:12.it is a good resource. But we heard it is a good resource. But we heard

:08:12. > :08:15.it is a good resource. But we heard last week that you cannot use and

:08:15. > :08:20.last week that you cannot use and last week that you cannot use and

:08:20. > :08:21.natural resources to prop up your natural resources to prop up your

:08:21. > :08:21.natural resources to prop up your natural resources to prop up your

:08:21. > :08:24.revenue funding. We need to use it revenue funding. We need to use it

:08:24. > :08:25.revenue funding. We need to use it revenue funding. We need to use it

:08:25. > :08:29.to create for the wealth. To use it to create for the wealth. To use it

:08:29. > :08:30.to create for the wealth. To use it to create for the wealth. To use it

:08:30. > :08:32.as part of your date today spending as part of your date today spending

:08:32. > :08:32.as part of your date today spending as part of your date today spending

:08:32. > :08:33.would be a mistake. That is what would be a mistake. That is what

:08:33. > :08:34.would be a mistake. That is what would be a mistake. That is what

:08:34. > :08:36.the SNP want to do, they want to the SNP want to do, they want to

:08:36. > :08:38.the SNP want to do, they want to the SNP want to do, they want to

:08:38. > :08:39.have an oil fund for the future. have an oil fund for the future.

:08:39. > :08:41.have an oil fund for the future. have an oil fund for the future.

:08:41. > :08:42.When oil came on tap in the 1970s When oil came on tap in the 1970s

:08:42. > :08:43.When oil came on tap in the 1970s and 1980s, Margaret Thatcher never

:08:44. > :08:45.and 1980s, Margaret Thatcher never and 1980s, Margaret Thatcher never

:08:45. > :08:46.created an oil fund. You cannot created an oil fund. You cannot

:08:46. > :08:47.created an oil fund. You cannot created an oil fund. You cannot

:08:47. > :08:49.have an oil fund at the same time have an oil fund at the same time

:08:49. > :08:50.have an oil fund at the same time have an oil fund at the same time

:08:50. > :08:52.as you are using oil money to fill as you are using oil money to fill

:08:52. > :08:53.as you are using oil money to fill the gap in your revenue accounts.

:08:53. > :08:54.the gap in your revenue accounts. the gap in your revenue accounts.

:08:54. > :08:55.the gap in your revenue accounts. What is clear from the figures is

:08:55. > :08:56.What is clear from the figures is What is clear from the figures is

:08:56. > :08:57.What is clear from the figures is are you only get to the fiscal

:08:57. > :09:00.are you only get to the fiscal are you only get to the fiscal

:09:00. > :09:02.position Scotland is in by using position Scotland is in by using

:09:02. > :09:08.position Scotland is in by using oil revenues in the current account.

:09:08. > :09:09.oil revenues in the current account. oil revenues in the current account.

:09:09. > :09:14.Projecting ahead to 2016, we would Projecting ahead to 2016, we would

:09:14. > :09:15.Projecting ahead to 2016, we would Projecting ahead to 2016, we would

:09:15. > :09:16.not be in equivalent -- in an not be in equivalent -- in an

:09:16. > :09:17.not be in equivalent -- in an equivalent situation in the UK.

:09:17. > :09:20.equivalent situation in the UK. equivalent situation in the UK.

:09:20. > :09:21.have to accept that these figures have to accept that these figures

:09:21. > :09:21.have to accept that these figures have to accept that these figures

:09:22. > :09:23.show that Scotland does seem to be show that Scotland does seem to be

:09:23. > :09:23.show that Scotland does seem to be show that Scotland does seem to be

:09:24. > :09:27.in a better position than the rest in a better position than the rest

:09:27. > :09:28.in a better position than the rest in a better position than the rest

:09:28. > :09:30.in a better position than the rest of the UK as a whole. I do not

:09:30. > :09:35.of the UK as a whole. I do not of the UK as a whole. I do not

:09:35. > :09:39.of the UK as a whole. I do not believe we are in a better position.

:09:39. > :09:39.believe we are in a better position. believe we are in a better position.

:09:39. > :09:41.believe we are in a better position. We get more funding from the United

:09:41. > :09:48.We get more funding from the United We get more funding from the United

:09:48. > :09:53.Kingdom to make more of our Kingdom to make more of our

:09:53. > :09:54.geographical despair -- a geographical despair -- a

:09:54. > :10:02.geographical despair -- a geographical set-up. Thank you both

:10:02. > :10:02.very much. very much.

:10:02. > :10:04.very much. There has been a last-minute change

:10:04. > :10:05.There has been a last-minute change There has been a last-minute change

:10:05. > :10:07.of business in the chamber today. of business in the chamber today.

:10:07. > :10:08.of business in the chamber today. The Labour health debate has been

:10:08. > :10:09.The Labour health debate has been The Labour health debate has been

:10:09. > :10:13.The Labour health debate has been moved and will later on to make way

:10:13. > :10:15.moved and will later on to make way for a Scottish government

:10:15. > :10:16.for a Scottish government for a Scottish government

:10:16. > :10:16.ministerial statement on the Armed ministerial statement on the Armed

:10:17. > :10:19.ministerial statement on the Armed Forces review which was announced

:10:19. > :10:20.Forces review which was announced Forces review which was announced

:10:20. > :10:21.Forces review which was announced yesterday. We can cross now to the

:10:21. > :10:22.yesterday. We can cross now to the yesterday. We can cross now to the

:10:22. > :10:25.chamber and join our political chamber and join our political

:10:25. > :10:27.chamber and join our political editor Brian Taylor on commentary.

:10:27. > :10:27.editor Brian Taylor on commentary. editor Brian Taylor on commentary.

:10:27. > :10:37.John Swinney is answering questions John Swinney is answering questions

:10:37. > :10:40.

:10:40. > :10:43.That statement was a betrayal of That statement was a betrayal of

:10:43. > :10:44.That statement was a betrayal of Scotland and her communities. I was

:10:44. > :10:45.Scotland and her communities. I was Scotland and her communities. I was

:10:45. > :10:47.Scotland and her communities. I was set out why that is the case and

:10:48. > :10:50.set out why that is the case and set out why that is the case and

:10:50. > :10:51.what the Scottish government plans what the Scottish government plans

:10:51. > :10:53.what the Scottish government plans to do. The Scottish government

:10:53. > :10:53.to do. The Scottish government to do. The Scottish government

:10:53. > :10:54.fully recognises and volleyers at fully recognises and volleyers at

:10:54. > :10:55.fully recognises and volleyers at the vital part that the Armed

:10:55. > :10:56.the vital part that the Armed the vital part that the Armed

:10:56. > :10:58.the vital part that the Armed Forces and those who serve in them

:10:58. > :10:58.Forces and those who serve in them Forces and those who serve in them

:10:58. > :11:01.Forces and those who serve in them give it to the life of our nation.

:11:01. > :11:03.give it to the life of our nation. That contribution cannot be

:11:03. > :11:04.That contribution cannot be That contribution cannot be

:11:04. > :11:11.sustained in isolation and must be sustained in isolation and must be

:11:11. > :11:15.sustained in isolation and must be supported by a wider society.

:11:15. > :11:17.supported by a wider society. Yesterday's announcement came 18

:11:17. > :11:20.Yesterday's announcement came 18 Yesterday's announcement came 18

:11:20. > :11:21.months after at the then Secretary months after at the then Secretary

:11:21. > :11:22.months after at the then Secretary of Defence -- Secretary of State

:11:22. > :11:24.of Defence -- Secretary of State of Defence -- Secretary of State

:11:24. > :11:29.for Defence have made a statement for Defence have made a statement

:11:29. > :11:31.for Defence have made a statement about military bases. There was a

:11:31. > :11:32.about military bases. There was a cross-party consensus and

:11:32. > :11:33.cross-party consensus and cross-party consensus and

:11:33. > :11:35.submissions from all the main submissions from all the main

:11:35. > :11:37.submissions from all the main parties in the Scottish Parliament.

:11:37. > :11:46.parties in the Scottish Parliament. parties in the Scottish Parliament.

:11:46. > :11:50.The Emans one them included some The Emans one them included some

:11:50. > :11:52.severe disappointment including a severe disappointment including a

:11:52. > :12:00.severe disappointment including a cessation of RAF activities are

:12:00. > :12:02.cessation of RAF activities are cessation of RAF activities are

:12:02. > :12:03.rehearsed. -- at Leuchers. That rehearsed. -- at Leuchers. That

:12:03. > :12:05.rehearsed. -- at Leuchers. That disappointment was mitigated by the

:12:05. > :12:07.disappointment was mitigated by the disappointment was mitigated by the

:12:07. > :12:13.promise that troops would come from promise that troops would come from

:12:13. > :12:16.promise that troops would come from Geminid to Scotland. -- from

:12:16. > :12:17.Geminid to Scotland. -- from Germany. Philip Hammond's betrayal

:12:17. > :12:21.Germany. Philip Hammond's betrayal Germany. Philip Hammond's betrayal

:12:21. > :12:23.of that promise is a disgrace. of that promise is a disgrace.

:12:23. > :12:25.Following Liam Fox's announcement, Following Liam Fox's announcement,

:12:25. > :12:26.Following Liam Fox's announcement, we committed to working positively

:12:26. > :12:31.we committed to working positively we committed to working positively

:12:31. > :12:33.with the Ministry of Defence to with the Ministry of Defence to

:12:33. > :12:34.with the Ministry of Defence to make their changes work. Officials

:12:34. > :12:36.make their changes work. Officials make their changes work. Officials

:12:36. > :12:38.from the Scottish government have from the Scottish government have

:12:38. > :12:40.from the Scottish government have committed fully to the Ministry of

:12:40. > :12:43.committed fully to the Ministry of Defence and its infrastructure

:12:43. > :12:45.Defence and its infrastructure administration at every opportunity.

:12:45. > :12:48.administration at every opportunity. Various ministers including the

:12:48. > :12:48.Various ministers including the Various ministers including the

:12:48. > :12:51.First Minister, the Deputy First First Minister, the Deputy First

:12:51. > :12:53.Minister and myself have Minister and myself have

:12:53. > :12:55.underscored that commitment in underscored that commitment in

:12:56. > :12:58.underscored that commitment in writing and in meetings 18 times

:12:58. > :12:59.writing and in meetings 18 times writing and in meetings 18 times

:12:59. > :13:05.with UK ministers. We have been with UK ministers. We have been

:13:05. > :13:06.supportive of local communities supportive of local communities

:13:06. > :13:07.supportive of local communities involved. The time that it has

:13:07. > :13:08.involved. The time that it has involved. The time that it has

:13:08. > :13:09.taken to work through this taken to work through this

:13:09. > :13:09.taken to work through this taken to work through this

:13:10. > :13:12.programme has has led to a great programme has has led to a great

:13:12. > :13:14.programme has has led to a great deal of uncertainty and anxiety in

:13:14. > :13:16.deal of uncertainty and anxiety in those communities around Scotland.

:13:16. > :13:17.those communities around Scotland. those communities around Scotland.

:13:17. > :13:19.those communities around Scotland. Now at last that arise when has

:13:19. > :13:21.Now at last that arise when has Now at last that arise when has

:13:21. > :13:21.come. It is deeply disappointing come. It is deeply disappointing

:13:21. > :13:22.come. It is deeply disappointing come. It is deeply disappointing

:13:22. > :13:23.given the amount of work we put given the amount of work we put

:13:23. > :13:30.given the amount of work we put into trying to make this process

:13:30. > :13:31.into trying to make this process into trying to make this process

:13:31. > :13:32.work for Scotland. Liam Fox have work for Scotland. Liam Fox have

:13:32. > :13:35.work for Scotland. Liam Fox have talked of 7000 troops coming to

:13:35. > :13:37.talked of 7000 troops coming to talked of 7000 troops coming to

:13:37. > :13:39.talked of 7000 troops coming to Scotland. But now we have a figure

:13:39. > :13:44.Scotland. But now we have a figure Scotland. But now we have a figure

:13:44. > :13:45.of only 600. That suggests that of only 600. That suggests that

:13:45. > :13:48.numbers, if correctness are numbers, if correctness are

:13:48. > :13:49.numbers, if correctness are delivered, will be just over 12,500.

:13:49. > :13:51.delivered, will be just over 12,500. delivered, will be just over 12,500.

:13:51. > :13:55.That ignores the fact that Scotland That ignores the fact that Scotland

:13:55. > :13:55.has already seen disproportionate has already seen disproportionate

:13:55. > :13:57.has already seen disproportionate cuts in its defence footprint which

:13:57. > :13:58.cuts in its defence footprint which cuts in its defence footprint which

:13:58. > :13:59.cuts in its defence footprint which has fallen by more than a third.

:13:59. > :14:00.has fallen by more than a third. has fallen by more than a third.

:14:00. > :14:03.has fallen by more than a third. Across the whole of the UK, the

:14:03. > :14:05.Across the whole of the UK, the Across the whole of the UK, the

:14:05. > :14:08.decline has been one-fifth. The decline has been one-fifth. The

:14:08. > :14:13.decline has been one-fifth. The announcement of by Phil Hammond

:14:13. > :14:17.announcement of by Phil Hammond yesterday... Liam Fox's

:14:17. > :14:18.yesterday... Liam Fox's announcement included Scotland

:14:18. > :14:19.announcement included Scotland announcement included Scotland

:14:19. > :14:24.announcement included Scotland becoming only to one of the five

:14:24. > :14:25.becoming only to one of the five multi-role brigades. Philip --

:14:25. > :14:29.multi-role brigades. Philip -- multi-role brigades. Philip --

:14:29. > :14:30.Philip Hammond has downgraded that. Philip Hammond has downgraded that.

:14:30. > :14:31.Philip Hammond has downgraded that. Philip Hammond has downgraded that.

:14:31. > :14:32.We still need clarity from him and We still need clarity from him and

:14:32. > :14:33.We still need clarity from him and from the Ministry of Defence on

:14:33. > :14:34.from the Ministry of Defence on from the Ministry of Defence on

:14:34. > :14:35.what the roles and functions will what the roles and functions will

:14:36. > :14:36.what the roles and functions will what the roles and functions will

:14:36. > :14:38.be of the elements that that will be of the elements that that will

:14:38. > :14:41.be of the elements that that will be located here. There was no

:14:41. > :14:42.be located here. There was no mention of his predecessor's

:14:42. > :14:45.mention of his predecessor's commitment of exploring the

:14:45. > :14:46.commitment of exploring the possibility of additional training

:14:46. > :14:48.possibility of additional training possibility of additional training

:14:48. > :14:50.estates in Scotland. It has been estates in Scotland. It has been

:14:50. > :14:53.estates in Scotland. It has been ditched by Philip Hammond. I

:14:53. > :14:55.ditched by Philip Hammond. I mentioned the overall military

:14:55. > :14:56.mentioned the overall military mentioned the overall military

:14:56. > :14:57.mentioned the overall military footprints, but it is at a local

:14:57. > :14:58.footprints, but it is at a local footprints, but it is at a local

:14:59. > :15:00.level that these changes will have level that these changes will have

:15:00. > :15:01.level that these changes will have an impact. I do welcome the

:15:01. > :15:05.an impact. I do welcome the an impact. I do welcome the

:15:05. > :15:06.complete about-turn at that the UK complete about-turn at that the UK

:15:06. > :15:08.complete about-turn at that the UK Government has made regarding the

:15:08. > :15:09.Government has made regarding the Government has made regarding the

:15:09. > :15:10.Royal Marines at Arbroath. But for Royal Marines at Arbroath. But for

:15:10. > :15:12.Royal Marines at Arbroath. But for much of the country, there is

:15:12. > :15:22.much of the country, there is much of the country, there is

:15:22. > :15:28.

:15:28. > :15:29.The numbers at RAF liquors will be The numbers at RAF liquors will be

:15:29. > :15:34.The numbers at RAF liquors will be replaced, but not the numbers which

:15:34. > :15:39.replaced, but not the numbers which replaced, but not the numbers which

:15:39. > :15:40.were talked about. -- Leuchars. It were talked about. -- Leuchars. It

:15:40. > :15:41.were talked about. -- Leuchars. It is disappointment that there has

:15:41. > :15:41.is disappointment that there has is disappointment that there has

:15:41. > :15:43.been confirmation that no army been confirmation that no army

:15:43. > :15:45.been confirmation that no army been confirmation that no army

:15:45. > :15:47.units will be based at the current units will be based at the current

:15:47. > :15:49.units will be based at the current Royal Navy facility. In Edinburgh,

:15:49. > :15:53.Royal Navy facility. In Edinburgh, Royal Navy facility. In Edinburgh,

:15:53. > :15:55.we have confirmation that Dreghorn we have confirmation that Dreghorn

:15:55. > :15:58.we have confirmation that Dreghorn will remain, but Craigie Hall will

:15:58. > :15:59.will remain, but Craigie Hall will will remain, but Craigie Hall will

:15:59. > :16:00.will remain, but Craigie Hall will close. We also know that the site

:16:00. > :16:01.close. We also know that the site close. We also know that the site

:16:01. > :16:02.on the outskirts of Edinburgh will on the outskirts of Edinburgh will

:16:02. > :16:04.on the outskirts of Edinburgh will on the outskirts of Edinburgh will

:16:04. > :16:06.not be developed. The MoD must work not be developed. The MoD must work

:16:06. > :16:07.not be developed. The MoD must work immediately and closely with us and

:16:07. > :16:08.immediately and closely with us and immediately and closely with us and

:16:08. > :16:09.the City of Edinburgh Council to the City of Edinburgh Council to

:16:09. > :16:11.the City of Edinburgh Council to make sure it is handled properly.

:16:11. > :16:16.make sure it is handled properly. make sure it is handled properly.

:16:16. > :16:17.In setting out the numbers In setting out the numbers

:16:17. > :16:20.associated... Similar questions associated... Similar questions

:16:20. > :16:22.associated... Similar questions arise in other areas. In Stirling,

:16:22. > :16:27.arise in other areas. In Stirling, arise in other areas. In Stirling,

:16:27. > :16:30.clarity is needed on the partial clarity is needed on the partial

:16:30. > :16:31.clarity is needed on the partial disposal of the site. At Kinloss,

:16:31. > :16:31.disposal of the site. At Kinloss, disposal of the site. At Kinloss,

:16:31. > :16:32.disposal of the site. At Kinloss, we are led to believe there will be

:16:32. > :16:33.we are led to believe there will be we are led to believe there will be

:16:33. > :16:36.a small increase in numbers, but a small increase in numbers, but

:16:36. > :16:37.a small increase in numbers, but that will not bring the army

:16:37. > :16:40.that will not bring the army that will not bring the army

:16:40. > :16:41.presence to anywhere near the presence to anywhere near the

:16:41. > :16:43.presence to anywhere near the levels of the RAF personnel

:16:43. > :16:45.levels of the RAF personnel levels of the RAF personnel

:16:45. > :16:49.levels of the RAF personnel previously. I have set out some of

:16:49. > :16:49.previously. I have set out some of previously. I have set out some of

:16:49. > :16:50.the unanswered questions. The fact the unanswered questions. The fact

:16:50. > :16:53.the unanswered questions. The fact that so many questions remain is

:16:53. > :16:55.that so many questions remain is that so many questions remain is

:16:55. > :16:56.partly due to the remarkable fact partly due to the remarkable fact

:16:56. > :16:57.partly due to the remarkable fact partly due to the remarkable fact

:16:57. > :16:58.that the UK ministers have not made that the UK ministers have not made

:16:58. > :16:59.that the UK ministers have not made any contact with Scottish ministers

:16:59. > :17:01.any contact with Scottish ministers any contact with Scottish ministers

:17:01. > :17:02.in connection with the announcement. in connection with the announcement.

:17:02. > :17:05.in connection with the announcement. in connection with the announcement.

:17:05. > :17:06.This is despite the fact that an This is despite the fact that an

:17:06. > :17:07.This is despite the fact that an MoD minister found time to stroll

:17:07. > :17:08.MoD minister found time to stroll MoD minister found time to stroll

:17:08. > :17:10.on the Esplanade at Edinburgh on the Esplanade at Edinburgh

:17:10. > :17:12.on the Esplanade at Edinburgh Castle yesterday to brief the media.

:17:12. > :17:14.Castle yesterday to brief the media. Castle yesterday to brief the media.

:17:15. > :17:16.We also understand through local We also understand through local

:17:16. > :17:23.We also understand through local authorities that they have had

:17:23. > :17:25.authorities that they have had authorities that they have had

:17:25. > :17:25.written communication. We have no written communication. We have no

:17:26. > :17:26.written communication. We have no detail on timing and numbers in

:17:26. > :17:27.detail on timing and numbers in detail on timing and numbers in

:17:27. > :17:30.relation to changes from the other relation to changes from the other

:17:30. > :17:32.relation to changes from the other services beyond the army. Those are

:17:32. > :17:33.services beyond the army. Those are services beyond the army. Those are

:17:33. > :17:34.also required by the local also required by the local

:17:34. > :17:38.also required by the local authorities and by asked. That is

:17:38. > :17:39.authorities and by asked. That is authorities and by asked. That is

:17:39. > :17:40.unacceptable. It does not need to unacceptable. It does not need to

:17:40. > :17:42.unacceptable. It does not need to be this way. This parliament is

:17:42. > :17:43.be this way. This parliament is be this way. This parliament is

:17:43. > :17:44.capable of taking decisions about capable of taking decisions about

:17:44. > :17:46.capable of taking decisions about defence in the best interests of

:17:46. > :17:47.defence in the best interests of defence in the best interests of

:17:47. > :17:48.the people and communities. Given the people and communities. Given

:17:48. > :17:50.the people and communities. Given the people and communities. Given

:17:50. > :17:51.the many years of draconian cuts to the many years of draconian cuts to

:17:52. > :17:53.Scotland to's defence Footprint, Scotland to's defence Footprint,

:17:53. > :17:59.Scotland to's defence Footprint, how can anyone disagree with a

:17:59. > :18:04.how can anyone disagree with a simple demographic proposition? We

:18:04. > :18:08.simple demographic proposition? We simple demographic proposition? We

:18:08. > :18:09.can afford conventional forces of can afford conventional forces of

:18:09. > :18:11.can afford conventional forces of can afford conventional forces of

:18:12. > :18:12.our own, and the SNP set out that our own, and the SNP set out that

:18:12. > :18:15.our own, and the SNP set out that we would have 15,000 personnel

:18:15. > :18:19.we would have 15,000 personnel we would have 15,000 personnel

:18:19. > :18:21.supported by a �2.5 billion budget. supported by a �2.5 billion budget.

:18:21. > :18:25.supported by a �2.5 billion budget. By way of comparison, in 2010,

:18:25. > :18:27.By way of comparison, in 2010, By way of comparison, in 2010,

:18:27. > :18:28.Finland spent �2.3 billion on Finland spent �2.3 billion on

:18:28. > :18:29.Finland spent �2.3 billion on Finland spent �2.3 billion on

:18:29. > :18:30.defence, and Denmark to 0.8 bn. No defence, and Denmark to 0.8 bn. No

:18:30. > :18:32.defence, and Denmark to 0.8 bn. No one suggests that countries such as

:18:32. > :18:37.one suggests that countries such as one suggests that countries such as

:18:37. > :18:38.these do not take their defence these do not take their defence

:18:38. > :18:40.these do not take their defence seriously. We would not be spending

:18:40. > :18:42.seriously. We would not be spending seriously. We would not be spending

:18:43. > :18:49.money on Trident, weapons of mass money on Trident, weapons of mass

:18:49. > :18:53.money on Trident, weapons of mass destruction and our showers. --

:18:53. > :18:53.destruction and our showers. -- destruction and our showers. --

:18:53. > :18:55.shores. In conclusion, we will shores. In conclusion, we will

:18:55. > :18:57.continue to support local continue to support local

:18:57. > :18:58.authorities, communities and other authorities, communities and other

:18:58. > :19:01.authorities, communities and other partners, and writing to them to

:19:01. > :19:03.partners, and writing to them to partners, and writing to them to

:19:03. > :19:04.offer support. I have spoken to offer support. I have spoken to

:19:04. > :19:05.offer support. I have spoken to senior personnel to convince them

:19:05. > :19:06.senior personnel to convince them senior personnel to convince them

:19:06. > :19:07.that we will provide that support that we will provide that support

:19:07. > :19:09.that we will provide that support in the future. The UK government

:19:09. > :19:10.in the future. The UK government in the future. The UK government

:19:10. > :19:11.must now confirm numbers associated must now confirm numbers associated

:19:11. > :19:11.must now confirm numbers associated must now confirm numbers associated

:19:11. > :19:13.with each of the units that they with each of the units that they

:19:13. > :19:14.with each of the units that they have said will be located in

:19:14. > :19:16.have said will be located in have said will be located in

:19:16. > :19:16.different parts of the country. different parts of the country.

:19:16. > :19:18.different parts of the country. Since September we have been

:19:18. > :19:19.Since September we have been Since September we have been

:19:19. > :19:20.pressing the UK government for pressing the UK government for

:19:20. > :19:21.pressing the UK government for baseline information to enable us

:19:21. > :19:22.baseline information to enable us baseline information to enable us

:19:22. > :19:23.and local partners to understand and local partners to understand

:19:23. > :19:25.and local partners to understand and local partners to understand

:19:25. > :19:26.the impact of the changes and we the impact of the changes and we

:19:26. > :19:27.the impact of the changes and we the impact of the changes and we

:19:27. > :19:28.will continue to do pant -- demand will continue to do pant -- demand

:19:28. > :19:29.will continue to do pant -- demand the release of that information to

:19:29. > :19:30.the release of that information to the release of that information to

:19:30. > :19:32.let us work with local authorities, let us work with local authorities,

:19:32. > :19:36.let us work with local authorities, communities and other partners to

:19:36. > :19:37.communities and other partners to communities and other partners to

:19:37. > :19:38.communities and other partners to help us plan fully and mitigate the

:19:38. > :19:39.help us plan fully and mitigate the help us plan fully and mitigate the

:19:39. > :19:41.economic consequences of the UK economic consequences of the UK

:19:41. > :19:42.government decisions. Once again, government decisions. Once again,

:19:42. > :19:45.government decisions. Once again, government decisions. Once again,

:19:45. > :19:46.Scotland has been let down by UK Scotland has been let down by UK

:19:46. > :19:47.government's and their poorly government's and their poorly

:19:47. > :19:49.government's and their poorly handled decisions. Some members of

:19:49. > :19:50.handled decisions. Some members of handled decisions. Some members of

:19:50. > :19:50.this chamber will remember debates this chamber will remember debates

:19:50. > :19:54.this chamber will remember debates this chamber will remember debates

:19:54. > :20:01.when it was a Labour UK government when it was a Labour UK government

:20:01. > :20:02.whose proposals for regimental whose proposals for regimental

:20:02. > :20:06.whose proposals for regimental amalgamation. There has been a

:20:06. > :20:08.amalgamation. There has been a long-term decline in Scotland's

:20:08. > :20:10.long-term decline in Scotland's military footprint. Democracy is

:20:10. > :20:11.military footprint. Democracy is military footprint. Democracy is

:20:11. > :20:13.about choosing. People in Scotland about choosing. People in Scotland

:20:13. > :20:22.about choosing. People in Scotland about choosing. People in Scotland

:20:22. > :20:26.will choose to vote Yes in the He is a former serving Marine

:20:26. > :20:29.He is a former serving Marine He is a former serving Marine

:20:29. > :20:30.himself. Now we are getting himself. Now we are getting

:20:30. > :20:31.questions... The Presiding Officer questions... The Presiding Officer

:20:31. > :20:35.questions... The Presiding Officer is reminded people that time must

:20:35. > :20:37.hate. hate.

:20:37. > :20:39.-- time is tight. -- time is tight.

:20:39. > :20:40.-- time is tight. -- time is tight.

:20:40. > :20:41.We have seen a reduction in the We have seen a reduction in the

:20:41. > :20:45.We have seen a reduction in the number of armed forces personnel

:20:45. > :20:45.number of armed forces personnel number of armed forces personnel

:20:45. > :20:46.coming to Scotland. What clarity coming to Scotland. What clarity

:20:46. > :20:48.coming to Scotland. What clarity come the Scottish Government go on

:20:48. > :20:48.come the Scottish Government go on come the Scottish Government go on

:20:48. > :20:50.come the Scottish Government go on the future of armed forces in an

:20:50. > :20:51.the future of armed forces in an independent Scotland, and in

:20:51. > :20:55.independent Scotland, and in independent Scotland, and in

:20:55. > :20:56.civilian jobs associated with that, civilian jobs associated with that,

:20:56. > :20:59.civilian jobs associated with that, since figures today show that

:20:59. > :21:00.since figures today show that since figures today show that

:21:00. > :21:05.overall spend as �1,197 higher per overall spend as �1,197 higher per

:21:05. > :21:07.overall spend as �1,197 higher per overall spend as �1,197 higher per

:21:07. > :21:09.head than the rest of the UK. head than the rest of the UK.

:21:09. > :21:17.head than the rest of the UK. head than the rest of the UK.

:21:17. > :21:18.we keep to the issues and the statement.

:21:18. > :21:20.statement. statement.

:21:20. > :21:21.statement. 5th it says, I have made clear to

:21:21. > :21:22.5th it says, I have made clear to 5th it says, I have made clear to

:21:22. > :21:24.the defence were extreme that a the defence were extreme that a

:21:24. > :21:25.the defence were extreme that a much lower budget must be assumed,

:21:25. > :21:26.much lower budget must be assumed, much lower budget must be assumed,

:21:26. > :21:28.so despite the public rhetoric, can so despite the public rhetoric, can

:21:28. > :21:32.so despite the public rhetoric, can he give a categorical assurance

:21:32. > :21:34.he give a categorical assurance he give a categorical assurance

:21:34. > :21:37.he give a categorical assurance that the Budget will not be subject

:21:37. > :21:38.that the Budget will not be subject that the Budget will not be subject

:21:38. > :21:43.that the Budget will not be subject to the savage cuts in the lead

:21:43. > :21:45.to the savage cuts in the lead document. Does the Scottish

:21:45. > :21:46.document. Does the Scottish Government expect special forces

:21:46. > :21:47.Government expect special forces personnel to automatically

:21:47. > :21:49.personnel to automatically transferred to Scottish armed

:21:49. > :21:51.transferred to Scottish armed transferred to Scottish armed

:21:51. > :21:53.forces, some some have expressed forces, some some have expressed

:21:53. > :21:55.reservations about the deployment, reservations about the deployment,

:21:55. > :21:57.specialist training and promotion specialist training and promotion

:21:57. > :21:59.specialist training and promotion opportunities available to them. If

:21:59. > :21:59.opportunities available to them. If opportunities available to them. If

:21:59. > :22:01.there is no significant runs there there is no significant runs there

:22:01. > :22:02.there is no significant runs there have special forces personnel to a

:22:02. > :22:03.have special forces personnel to a have special forces personnel to a

:22:03. > :22:05.Scottish defence force, how long Scottish defence force, how long

:22:05. > :22:06.Scottish defence force, how long does he anticipated would take to

:22:06. > :22:07.does he anticipated would take to does he anticipated would take to

:22:07. > :22:10.recruit and train as special forces recruit and train as special forces

:22:10. > :22:11.recruit and train as special forces recruit and train as special forces

:22:11. > :22:18.unit, and how long would key assets unit, and how long would key assets

:22:18. > :22:19.unit, and how long would key assets be left vulnerable as a result?

:22:19. > :22:21.be left vulnerable as a result? be left vulnerable as a result?

:22:21. > :22:22.be left vulnerable as a result? For the statement was about the UK

:22:22. > :22:23.For the statement was about the UK Government's statements. I was

:22:23. > :22:24.Government's statements. I was Government's statements. I was

:22:24. > :22:25.Government's statements. I was trying to deal with some of those

:22:25. > :22:30.trying to deal with some of those complications and implications of

:22:30. > :22:31.complications and implications of complications and implications of

:22:31. > :22:35.that. Order! We will not have that. Order! We will not have

:22:35. > :22:35.that. Order! We will not have shouted across the chain were.

:22:35. > :22:37.shouted across the chain were. shouted across the chain were.

:22:37. > :22:45.first point was about clarity, and first point was about clarity, and

:22:45. > :22:46.first point was about clarity, and things are becoming clear. He was

:22:46. > :22:48.things are becoming clear. He was things are becoming clear. He was

:22:48. > :22:49.trying to divide a human shield. trying to divide a human shield.

:22:49. > :22:50.trying to divide a human shield. The commitment from the Labour

:22:50. > :22:52.The commitment from the Labour The commitment from the Labour

:22:52. > :22:54.Party, they will commit billions of Party, they will commit billions of

:22:54. > :22:56.pounds towards nuclear weapons, pounds towards nuclear weapons,

:22:56. > :22:57.pounds towards nuclear weapons, rather than the equipment that the

:22:57. > :22:59.rather than the equipment that the rather than the equipment that the

:22:59. > :23:00.rather than the equipment that the forces need. It used to be the case

:23:00. > :23:01.forces need. It used to be the case forces need. It used to be the case

:23:01. > :23:03.forces need. It used to be the case that in the 1980s there was a

:23:03. > :23:03.that in the 1980s there was a that in the 1980s there was a

:23:03. > :23:04.statement by someone called Paul statement by someone called Paul

:23:04. > :23:06.statement by someone called Paul Weller, who says the kidney

:23:06. > :23:10.Weller, who says the kidney Weller, who says the kidney

:23:10. > :23:11.machines pay for rockets and guns. machines pay for rockets and guns.

:23:11. > :23:12.machines pay for rockets and guns. machines pay for rockets and guns.

:23:12. > :23:14.It is the bedroom tax that is going It is the bedroom tax that is going

:23:14. > :23:16.It is the bedroom tax that is going to pay for nuclear bombs. The

:23:16. > :23:20.to pay for nuclear bombs. The to pay for nuclear bombs. The

:23:20. > :23:21.Labour Party are committing to �2.5 Labour Party are committing to �2.5

:23:21. > :23:23.Labour Party are committing to �2.5 billion... Order!�2.5 billion, I

:23:23. > :23:25.billion... Order!�2.5 billion, I billion... Order!�2.5 billion, I

:23:25. > :23:26.said that in a statement, towards said that in a statement, towards

:23:26. > :23:30.said that in a statement, towards defence forces, can injured and

:23:30. > :23:31.defence forces, can injured and defence forces, can injured and

:23:31. > :23:41.with other -- commensurate with with other -- commensurate with

:23:41. > :23:42.with other -- commensurate with other countries of a similar size.

:23:42. > :23:42.other countries of a similar size. other countries of a similar size.

:23:43. > :23:44.other countries of a similar size. Can I thank the Minister. Can I

:23:44. > :23:46.Can I thank the Minister. Can I Can I thank the Minister. Can I

:23:46. > :23:47.also take the opportunity to also take the opportunity to

:23:47. > :23:48.also take the opportunity to welcome the increase in the true

:23:48. > :23:50.welcome the increase in the true welcome the increase in the true

:23:50. > :23:51.numbers north of the border numbers north of the border

:23:51. > :23:52.numbers north of the border announced yesterday. Having a well-

:23:53. > :23:55.announced yesterday. Having a well- equipped, highly trained and

:23:55. > :23:58.equipped, highly trained and motivated army presence makes

:23:58. > :23:59.motivated army presence makes motivated army presence makes

:23:59. > :24:00.Scotland a safer place. However the Scotland a safer place. However the

:24:00. > :24:01.Scotland a safer place. However the Minister cannot be more on the

:24:01. > :24:05.Minister cannot be more on the Minister cannot be more on the

:24:05. > :24:06.number of trips coming to Scotland number of trips coming to Scotland

:24:06. > :24:07.number of trips coming to Scotland number of trips coming to Scotland

:24:07. > :24:08.when the effect of a vote for when the effect of a vote for

:24:09. > :24:10.when the effect of a vote for separation in 2014 would be two

:24:10. > :24:12.separation in 2014 would be two seeded British army withdraw

:24:12. > :24:12.seeded British army withdraw seeded British army withdraw

:24:13. > :24:21.altogether. -- the number of troops altogether. -- the number of troops

:24:21. > :24:22.altogether. -- the number of troops coming to Scotland. He is opposing

:24:22. > :24:23.coming to Scotland. He is opposing coming to Scotland. He is opposing

:24:23. > :24:25.the Duke of others on his the Duke of others on his

:24:25. > :24:27.the Duke of others on his backbenches who have committed that

:24:27. > :24:28.backbenches who have committed that backbenches who have committed that

:24:28. > :24:29.money will be committed to welfare money will be committed to welfare

:24:29. > :24:31.money will be committed to welfare money will be committed to welfare

:24:31. > :24:33.or any one of a dozen other or any one of a dozen other

:24:33. > :24:34.or any one of a dozen other fleeting priorities. The truth is

:24:34. > :24:36.fleeting priorities. The truth is fleeting priorities. The truth is

:24:36. > :24:37.that this Government does not that this Government does not

:24:37. > :24:41.that this Government does not understand defence. Can we have a

:24:41. > :24:42.understand defence. Can we have a understand defence. Can we have a

:24:42. > :24:45.question? Why does this anti combat question? Why does this anti combat

:24:45. > :24:46.question? Why does this anti combat government want more trips but does

:24:46. > :24:48.government want more trips but does government want more trips but does

:24:48. > :24:51.not want them to be deployed not want them to be deployed

:24:51. > :24:51.not want them to be deployed not want them to be deployed

:24:51. > :24:52.anywhere? Above all, can I ask the anywhere? Above all, can I ask the

:24:52. > :24:53.anywhere? Above all, can I ask the anywhere? Above all, can I ask the

:24:53. > :24:56.Minister if he will commit to set Minister if he will commit to set

:24:56. > :24:57.Minister if he will commit to set Minister if he will commit to set

:24:57. > :24:59.out clearly in detail the fact some out clearly in detail the fact some

:24:59. > :25:03.out clearly in detail the fact some the costs associated with his

:25:03. > :25:04.the costs associated with his Government's defence policy? Order!

:25:04. > :25:05.Government's defence policy? Order! Government's defence policy? Order!

:25:05. > :25:09.Government's defence policy? Order! Can I remind everyone that this is

:25:09. > :25:10.Can I remind everyone that this is a serious subject. Many

:25:10. > :25:11.a serious subject. Many a serious subject. Many

:25:11. > :25:12.constituents are a involved in this constituents are a involved in this

:25:12. > :25:15.constituents are a involved in this constituents are a involved in this

:25:15. > :25:21.constituents are a involved in this or harmed by this, so can I ask the

:25:21. > :25:22.or harmed by this, so can I ask the or harmed by this, so can I ask the

:25:22. > :25:24.chamber to come down and deal with chamber to come down and deal with

:25:24. > :25:25.chamber to come down and deal with chamber to come down and deal with

:25:25. > :25:26.the serious issues. I have set out the serious issues. I have set out

:25:26. > :25:27.the serious issues. I have set out the serious issues. I have set out

:25:27. > :25:29.the level of finance the SNP would the level of finance the SNP would

:25:29. > :25:29.the level of finance the SNP would give to defence, commensurate with

:25:29. > :25:34.give to defence, commensurate with give to defence, commensurate with

:25:34. > :25:34.other countries of this size. He other countries of this size. He

:25:34. > :25:36.other countries of this size. He welcomed the announcement by the UK

:25:36. > :25:38.welcomed the announcement by the UK welcomed the announcement by the UK

:25:38. > :25:39.government. It would be interesting government. It would be interesting

:25:39. > :25:40.government. It would be interesting to listen to barrack rooms around

:25:40. > :25:41.to listen to barrack rooms around to listen to barrack rooms around

:25:41. > :25:42.the country to see what the the country to see what the

:25:42. > :25:45.the country to see what the squaddies think, as they are being

:25:45. > :25:46.squaddies think, as they are being squaddies think, as they are being

:25:46. > :25:47.squaddies think, as they are being shuffled around. It is not just us,

:25:47. > :25:50.shuffled around. It is not just us, shuffled around. It is not just us,

:25:50. > :25:51.look at some of the newspapers, look at some of the newspapers,

:25:51. > :25:52.look at some of the newspapers, newspapers not noted for the

:25:52. > :25:53.newspapers not noted for the newspapers not noted for the

:25:53. > :25:55.support of this government. They support of this government. They

:25:55. > :25:59.support of this government. They support of this government. They

:25:59. > :26:03.talk about a betrayal of troops in talk about a betrayal of troops in

:26:03. > :26:05.talk about a betrayal of troops in Scotland. A few hundred more people

:26:05. > :26:06.Scotland. A few hundred more people Scotland. A few hundred more people

:26:06. > :26:07.playing musical chairs around the playing musical chairs around the

:26:07. > :26:07.playing musical chairs around the playing musical chairs around the

:26:07. > :26:09.barracks, it is hard to escape the barracks, it is hard to escape the

:26:09. > :26:10.barracks, it is hard to escape the conclusion that the Tory government

:26:10. > :26:11.conclusion that the Tory government conclusion that the Tory government

:26:11. > :26:12.was simply plucking numbers out of was simply plucking numbers out of

:26:12. > :26:15.was simply plucking numbers out of was simply plucking numbers out of

:26:15. > :26:17.the year to stave off the flak. It the year to stave off the flak. It

:26:17. > :26:18.the year to stave off the flak. It the year to stave off the flak. It

:26:18. > :26:28.ends by saying, it is alive. There ends by saying, it is alive. There

:26:28. > :26:29.

:26:29. > :26:30.ends by saying, it is alive. There ends by saying, it is alive. There

:26:30. > :26:31.ends by saying, it is alive. There is no defence. -- a lie. It is a

:26:31. > :26:33.is no defence. -- a lie. It is a is no defence. -- a lie. It is a

:26:33. > :26:34.betrayal of many promises made by betrayal of many promises made by

:26:34. > :26:35.betrayal of many promises made by his own former defence minister. We

:26:35. > :26:37.his own former defence minister. We his own former defence minister. We

:26:37. > :26:45.his own former defence minister. We now have to see how we can mitigate

:26:45. > :26:46.now have to see how we can mitigate the impact of it.

:26:46. > :26:47.the impact of it. the impact of it.

:26:47. > :26:48.It is disappointing that the UK It is disappointing that the UK

:26:48. > :26:50.It is disappointing that the UK It is disappointing that the UK

:26:50. > :26:50.Government has failed to us -- to Government has failed to us -- to

:26:50. > :26:51.Government has failed to us -- to provide the Scottish Government of

:26:51. > :26:55.provide the Scottish Government of provide the Scottish Government of

:26:55. > :26:58.details of numbers of troops coming details of numbers of troops coming

:26:58. > :26:59.details of numbers of troops coming details of numbers of troops coming

:26:59. > :27:01.to Fife. It is estimated it will be to Fife. It is estimated it will be

:27:01. > :27:02.to Fife. It is estimated it will be to Fife. It is estimated it will be

:27:02. > :27:04.4,000 less than Liam Fox said in 4,000 less than Liam Fox said in

:27:04. > :27:05.4,000 less than Liam Fox said in 2011, and 3,000 less than RAF

:27:05. > :27:06.2011, and 3,000 less than RAF 2011, and 3,000 less than RAF

:27:06. > :27:07.numbers at that time. This will numbers at that time. This will

:27:07. > :27:10.numbers at that time. This will have a big impact in my

:27:10. > :27:11.have a big impact in my constituency. I constituents are

:27:11. > :27:12.constituency. I constituents are constituency. I constituents are

:27:12. > :27:14.disappointed. Does he agree with me disappointed. Does he agree with me

:27:14. > :27:15.disappointed. Does he agree with me that rather than representing this

:27:15. > :27:17.that rather than representing this that rather than representing this

:27:17. > :27:22.that rather than representing this as a dividend, it is more like and

:27:22. > :27:26.as a dividend, it is more like and as a dividend, it is more like and

:27:26. > :27:27.as a dividend, it is more like and as a dividend, it is more like and

:27:27. > :27:28.I owe you? -- an IOU. No one is I owe you? -- an IOU. No one is

:27:28. > :27:29.I owe you? -- an IOU. No one is I owe you? -- an IOU. No one is

:27:29. > :27:31.going to be duped by what has been going to be duped by what has been

:27:31. > :27:32.going to be duped by what has been announced by the Government. I

:27:32. > :27:33.announced by the Government. I announced by the Government. I

:27:33. > :27:34.visited the bass recently, to see visited the bass recently, to see

:27:34. > :27:39.visited the bass recently, to see visited the bass recently, to see

:27:39. > :27:41.some of the issues faced by the some of the issues faced by the

:27:41. > :27:42.some of the issues faced by the some of the issues faced by the

:27:42. > :27:43.personnel. There is a lot we can do personnel. There is a lot we can do

:27:43. > :27:44.personnel. There is a lot we can do it in the Scottish government to

:27:44. > :27:45.it in the Scottish government to it in the Scottish government to

:27:45. > :27:46.help the process take place, but help the process take place, but

:27:46. > :27:48.help the process take place, but help the process take place, but

:27:48. > :27:50.there is no question of a feeling there is no question of a feeling

:27:50. > :27:51.there is no question of a feeling of betrayal. For many years, there

:27:51. > :27:52.of betrayal. For many years, there of betrayal. For many years, there

:27:52. > :27:55.have been accusations from both have been accusations from both

:27:55. > :27:56.have been accusations from both sides of this chamber, but Scotland

:27:56. > :27:59.sides of this chamber, but Scotland sides of this chamber, but Scotland

:27:59. > :28:00.would reduce their their bases, would reduce their their bases,

:28:00. > :28:00.would reduce their their bases, would reduce their their bases,

:28:00. > :28:07.would reduce their their bases, from to the to one in the space of

:28:07. > :28:10.from to the to one in the space of from to the to one in the space of

:28:10. > :28:11.from to the to one in the space of a year. -- from three to one. We

:28:11. > :28:12.a year. -- from three to one. We a year. -- from three to one. We

:28:12. > :28:13.a year. -- from three to one. We can work together to mitigate it as

:28:13. > :28:14.can work together to mitigate it as can work together to mitigate it as

:28:14. > :28:15.can work together to mitigate it as well as we can, but it would have

:28:15. > :28:16.well as we can, but it would have well as we can, but it would have

:28:16. > :28:19.well as we can, but it would have been better if the decision had a

:28:19. > :28:20.been better if the decision had a been better if the decision had a

:28:20. > :28:21.been better if the decision had a not be made. SNP proposals seem to

:28:21. > :28:22.not be made. SNP proposals seem to not be made. SNP proposals seem to

:28:22. > :28:23.not be made. SNP proposals seem to focus on leaving us with one of the

:28:23. > :28:25.focus on leaving us with one of the focus on leaving us with one of the

:28:25. > :28:26.smallest defence budgets in Europe, smallest defence budgets in Europe,

:28:26. > :28:28.smallest defence budgets in Europe, at 2.5 billion. Even smaller than

:28:28. > :28:30.at 2.5 billion. Even smaller than Denmark, and proportionately less

:28:30. > :28:33.Denmark, and proportionately less Denmark, and proportionately less

:28:33. > :28:41.than currently spent across the UK. than currently spent across the UK.

:28:41. > :28:42.than currently spent across the UK. Does he seriously suggest that the

:28:42. > :28:43.Does he seriously suggest that the Does he seriously suggest that the

:28:43. > :28:45.capability gaps in an independent capability gaps in an independent

:28:45. > :28:55.capability gaps in an independent Scotland can be fixed on the

:28:55. > :28:57.

:28:57. > :28:59.cheap... The public will note that there was

:28:59. > :29:00.The public will note that there was The public will note that there was

:29:00. > :29:08.not one word of condemnation for not one word of condemnation for

:29:08. > :29:11.the Conservative and Liberal the Conservative and Liberal

:29:11. > :29:11.Government's announcement. Scotland Government's announcement. Scotland

:29:11. > :29:13.Government's announcement. Scotland Committee's around �3.3 billion to

:29:13. > :29:15.Committee's around �3.3 billion to Committee's around �3.3 billion to

:29:15. > :29:16.the UK's defence expenditure, and the UK's defence expenditure, and

:29:16. > :29:17.the UK's defence expenditure, and the UK's defence expenditure, and

:29:17. > :29:18.get in return to �0.5 billion. What get in return to �0.5 billion. What

:29:18. > :29:26.get in return to �0.5 billion. What get in return to �0.5 billion. What

:29:26. > :29:30.could we do with the extra 800 could we do with the extra 800

:29:30. > :29:32.could we do with the extra 800 million? -- �2.5 billion. Going

:29:32. > :29:34.million? -- �2.5 billion. Going million? -- �2.5 billion. Going

:29:34. > :29:35.back to previous point, the SNP back to previous point, the SNP

:29:35. > :29:45.back to previous point, the SNP back to previous point, the SNP

:29:45. > :29:52.

:29:52. > :29:54.does not want to commit troops to The biggest danger to the defence

:29:54. > :29:55.The biggest danger to the defence of Scotland is Westminster

:29:55. > :29:56.of Scotland is Westminster of Scotland is Westminster

:29:56. > :29:58.politicians who choose to lavish politicians who choose to lavish

:29:58. > :30:01.politicians who choose to lavish billions on its nuclear weapons

:30:01. > :30:03.billions on its nuclear weapons billions on its nuclear weapons

:30:03. > :30:05.while cutting defence personnel in while cutting defence personnel in

:30:05. > :30:07.while cutting defence personnel in while cutting defence personnel in

:30:07. > :30:09.Scotland. It is a very good point. Scotland. It is a very good point.

:30:09. > :30:10.Scotland. It is a very good point. There are a number of military

:30:10. > :30:11.There are a number of military There are a number of military

:30:11. > :30:12.sources who say it is unsustainable sources who say it is unsustainable

:30:12. > :30:13.sources who say it is unsustainable sources who say it is unsustainable

:30:13. > :30:17.for the UK to have the current for the UK to have the current

:30:17. > :30:19.for the UK to have the current for the UK to have the current

:30:19. > :30:20.level of troops that they have as level of troops that they have as

:30:21. > :30:23.level of troops that they have as well as having nuclear weapons.

:30:23. > :30:24.well as having nuclear weapons. well as having nuclear weapons.

:30:24. > :30:26.This is what is fantasy about This is what is fantasy about

:30:26. > :30:30.This is what is fantasy about defence politics in the UK today.

:30:30. > :30:32.defence politics in the UK today. defence politics in the UK today.

:30:32. > :30:33.The Royal Scots, bizarrely, are The Royal Scots, bizarrely, are

:30:33. > :30:35.The Royal Scots, bizarrely, are The Royal Scots, bizarrely, are

:30:35. > :30:37.going to be moved to Belfast. As going to be moved to Belfast. As

:30:37. > :30:38.going to be moved to Belfast. As part of the strength and uniqueness

:30:38. > :30:42.part of the strength and uniqueness part of the strength and uniqueness

:30:42. > :30:43.of these fighting Scots regiments, of these fighting Scots regiments,

:30:43. > :30:45.of these fighting Scots regiments, between the oldest regiment in the

:30:45. > :30:51.between the oldest regiment in the between the oldest regiment in the

:30:51. > :30:53.between the oldest regiment in the British Army, the Royal Scots, is a

:30:53. > :30:54.British Army, the Royal Scots, is a geographical -- its geographical

:30:55. > :30:56.geographical -- its geographical geographical -- its geographical

:30:56. > :30:57.recruiting base is Edinburgh and recruiting base is Edinburgh and

:30:57. > :31:07.recruiting base is Edinburgh and the Lothians. That is the thinking

:31:07. > :31:17.

:31:17. > :31:21.He admit any substantial or real He admit any substantial or real

:31:21. > :31:23.He admit any substantial or real reference to the Royal Navy. Their

:31:23. > :31:24.reference to the Royal Navy. Their reference to the Royal Navy. Their

:31:24. > :31:25.reference to the Royal Navy. Their new HMS ambush to join the fleet on

:31:25. > :31:26.new HMS ambush to join the fleet on new HMS ambush to join the fleet on

:31:26. > :31:27.Monday. Does the Minister welcomed Monday. Does the Minister welcomed

:31:27. > :31:30.Monday. Does the Minister welcomed Monday. Does the Minister welcomed

:31:30. > :31:30.the decision to base all of the the decision to base all of the

:31:30. > :31:34.UK's conventionally armed UK's conventionally armed

:31:34. > :31:35.UK's conventionally armed UK's conventionally armed

:31:35. > :31:36.submarines on the Clyde or not? submarines on the Clyde or not?

:31:36. > :31:37.submarines on the Clyde or not? submarines on the Clyde or not?

:31:37. > :31:39.did not mention that because it was did not mention that because it was

:31:39. > :31:39.did not mention that because it was not mentioned in the statement by

:31:39. > :31:40.not mentioned in the statement by not mentioned in the statement by

:31:40. > :31:43.not mentioned in the statement by the UK Government to which I am

:31:43. > :31:44.the UK Government to which I am the UK Government to which I am

:31:44. > :31:47.responding here. There are no responding here. There are no

:31:47. > :31:48.responding here. There are no combat ready units of the Royal

:31:48. > :31:51.combat ready units of the Royal combat ready units of the Royal

:31:51. > :31:53.combat ready units of the Royal Navy in a Scotland which is worth

:31:53. > :31:55.Navy in a Scotland which is worth mentioning. There is something

:31:55. > :31:56.mentioning. There is something mentioning. There is something

:31:56. > :31:58.mentioning. There is something seriously wrong at the heart of UK

:31:58. > :32:00.seriously wrong at the heart of UK seriously wrong at the heart of UK

:32:00. > :32:01.defence policy and they do believe defence policy and they do believe

:32:01. > :32:06.defence policy and they do believe defence policy and they do believe

:32:06. > :32:11.that we can cope much better with that we can cope much better with

:32:11. > :32:12.that we can cope much better with the questions better in Scotland.

:32:12. > :32:13.the questions better in Scotland. the questions better in Scotland.

:32:13. > :32:14.You are watching Politics Scotland You are watching Politics Scotland

:32:14. > :32:15.You are watching Politics Scotland You are watching Politics Scotland

:32:15. > :32:16.from the BBC. Still to come on the from the BBC. Still to come on the

:32:16. > :32:17.from the BBC. Still to come on the programme. More money, or rather

:32:17. > :32:18.programme. More money, or rather programme. More money, or rather

:32:18. > :32:18.programme. More money, or rather programme. More money, or rather

:32:19. > :32:19.the lack of it, is on the agenda at the lack of it, is on the agenda at

:32:19. > :32:20.the lack of it, is on the agenda at PMQs. Bankers' bonuses and the

:32:20. > :32:21.PMQs. Bankers' bonuses and the PMQs. Bankers' bonuses and the

:32:21. > :32:23.bedroom tax. Labour launch a twin- bedroom tax. Labour launch a twin-

:32:23. > :32:24.bedroom tax. Labour launch a twin- pronged attack on David Cameron.

:32:24. > :32:25.pronged attack on David Cameron. pronged attack on David Cameron.

:32:25. > :32:26.pronged attack on David Cameron. Now, let's go back to our top story

:32:26. > :32:27.Now, let's go back to our top story Now, let's go back to our top story

:32:27. > :32:28.Now, let's go back to our top story today - the release of the Scottish

:32:28. > :32:29.today - the release of the Scottish Government's expenditure and

:32:29. > :32:29.Government's expenditure and Government's expenditure and

:32:29. > :32:30.revenue figures, in essence their revenue figures, in essence their

:32:30. > :32:31.revenue figures, in essence their balance sheet. As promised earlier,

:32:31. > :32:32.balance sheet. As promised earlier, balance sheet. As promised earlier,

:32:32. > :32:33.balance sheet. As promised earlier, I am now joined by the Finance

:32:33. > :32:34.I am now joined by the Finance I am now joined by the Finance

:32:34. > :32:36.Secretary John Swinney. He's in the Secretary John Swinney. He's in the

:32:36. > :32:37.Secretary John Swinney. He's in the Garden Lobby at Holyrood. Looking

:32:37. > :32:39.Garden Lobby at Holyrood. Looking Garden Lobby at Holyrood. Looking

:32:39. > :32:40.at these figures, some people have at these figures, some people have

:32:40. > :32:41.at these figures, some people have at these figures, some people have

:32:41. > :32:42.been saying it is pretty good news been saying it is pretty good news

:32:42. > :32:45.been saying it is pretty good news been saying it is pretty good news

:32:45. > :32:52.for you and you have been pointing for you and you have been pointing

:32:52. > :32:53.for you and you have been pointing for you and you have been pointing

:32:53. > :32:55.for you and you have been pointing out at �4 per person, we are in a

:32:55. > :32:56.out at �4 per person, we are in a out at �4 per person, we are in a

:32:56. > :33:01.good position? The figures speak good position? The figures speak

:33:01. > :33:03.for themselves. They demonstrate for themselves. They demonstrate

:33:03. > :33:05.for themselves. They demonstrate that Scotland contributes a 9.9% of

:33:05. > :33:06.that Scotland contributes a 9.9% of that Scotland contributes a 9.9% of

:33:06. > :33:08.that Scotland contributes a 9.9% of UK revenue and receive back 9.3% of

:33:08. > :33:11.UK revenue and receive back 9.3% of UK expenditure. That demonstrate

:33:11. > :33:11.UK expenditure. That demonstrate UK expenditure. That demonstrate

:33:11. > :33:12.that Scotland contributes more into that Scotland contributes more into

:33:12. > :33:13.that Scotland contributes more into that Scotland contributes more into

:33:13. > :33:15.the United Kingdom than we get back the United Kingdom than we get back

:33:15. > :33:16.the United Kingdom than we get back the United Kingdom than we get back

:33:16. > :33:18.in return. That figure lies at the in return. That figure lies at the

:33:18. > :33:20.heart of this independent heart of this independent

:33:20. > :33:21.statistical analysis published statistical analysis published

:33:21. > :33:23.today. It demonstrates that today. It demonstrates that

:33:23. > :33:26.today. It demonstrates that Scotland is a very strong financial

:33:26. > :33:27.Scotland is a very strong financial Scotland is a very strong financial

:33:27. > :33:29.community, public finances are in community, public finances are in

:33:29. > :33:30.community, public finances are in better condition than the public

:33:30. > :33:31.better condition than the public better condition than the public

:33:31. > :33:32.better condition than the public finances of the rest of the United

:33:32. > :33:33.finances of the rest of the United finances of the rest of the United

:33:33. > :33:36.Kingdom, and it creates a very Kingdom, and it creates a very

:33:36. > :33:41.Kingdom, and it creates a very strong platform for Scotland to

:33:41. > :33:44.strong platform for Scotland to strong platform for Scotland to

:33:44. > :33:45.move to independence. When you look move to independence. When you look

:33:45. > :33:49.move to independence. When you look at all that information put

:33:49. > :33:50.at all that information put at all that information put

:33:50. > :33:52.together, we contribute 9.9% of UK together, we contribute 9.9% of UK

:33:52. > :33:54.together, we contribute 9.9% of UK together, we contribute 9.9% of UK

:33:54. > :33:55.revenue and get back 9.3% of UK revenue and get back 9.3% of UK

:33:55. > :33:57.taxation. Scotland is contributing taxation. Scotland is contributing

:33:57. > :33:57.taxation. Scotland is contributing taxation. Scotland is contributing

:33:57. > :33:59.more to the United Kingdom than be more to the United Kingdom than be

:33:59. > :34:00.more to the United Kingdom than be more to the United Kingdom than be

:34:00. > :34:01.get back in return. That takes into get back in return. That takes into

:34:01. > :34:03.get back in return. That takes into account all aspects of expenditure,

:34:03. > :34:05.account all aspects of expenditure, account all aspects of expenditure,

:34:05. > :34:07.the debt interest that we are the debt interest that we are

:34:07. > :34:08.the debt interest that we are the debt interest that we are

:34:08. > :34:10.having to pay, it takes in all the having to pay, it takes in all the

:34:10. > :34:11.having to pay, it takes in all the revenue that is relevant. That is

:34:11. > :34:12.revenue that is relevant. That is revenue that is relevant. That is

:34:12. > :34:13.revenue that is relevant. That is the very clear and simple way of

:34:13. > :34:15.the very clear and simple way of the very clear and simple way of

:34:15. > :34:16.expressing the fact that Scotland expressing the fact that Scotland

:34:16. > :34:17.expressing the fact that Scotland contributes more into the United

:34:17. > :34:18.contributes more into the United contributes more into the United

:34:18. > :34:20.contributes more into the United Kingdom than we get back in return.

:34:20. > :34:21.Kingdom than we get back in return. Kingdom than we get back in return.

:34:21. > :34:22.Kingdom than we get back in return. We heard in that debate that there

:34:22. > :34:26.We heard in that debate that there We heard in that debate that there

:34:26. > :34:28.is a leaked draft discussion is a leaked draft discussion

:34:28. > :34:30.document which acknowledges greater document which acknowledges greater

:34:30. > :34:32.document which acknowledges greater volatility in oil revenues in the

:34:32. > :34:33.volatility in oil revenues in the volatility in oil revenues in the

:34:33. > :34:34.future and Scotland depends on that future and Scotland depends on that

:34:34. > :34:37.future and Scotland depends on that Orrell revenue. How would Scotland

:34:37. > :34:38.Orrell revenue. How would Scotland Orrell revenue. How would Scotland

:34:38. > :34:42.Orrell revenue. How would Scotland cope with that boiler to 80 --

:34:42. > :34:43.cope with that boiler to 80 -- cope with that boiler to 80 --

:34:43. > :34:44.volatility? They would not be as volatility? They would not be as

:34:44. > :34:45.volatility? They would not be as significant to the Scottish economy

:34:45. > :34:46.significant to the Scottish economy significant to the Scottish economy

:34:46. > :34:48.as they are to the Norwegian as they are to the Norwegian

:34:48. > :34:49.as they are to the Norwegian as they are to the Norwegian

:34:49. > :34:51.economy. If any of us look at the economy. If any of us look at the

:34:51. > :34:53.economy. If any of us look at the Norwegian economy today, we will

:34:53. > :34:54.Norwegian economy today, we will Norwegian economy today, we will

:34:54. > :34:55.see an economy whose public see an economy whose public

:34:55. > :34:57.see an economy whose public finances are in a much better

:34:57. > :35:02.finances are in a much better finances are in a much better

:35:02. > :35:04.condition than the finances of this condition than the finances of this

:35:04. > :35:04.condition than the finances of this condition than the finances of this

:35:04. > :35:06.country. They have a fund for long- country. They have a fund for long-

:35:06. > :35:08.country. They have a fund for long- term investment and stability to

:35:08. > :35:09.term investment and stability to term investment and stability to

:35:09. > :35:11.support the Norwegian economy and support the Norwegian economy and

:35:11. > :35:12.Norwegian society. That Norwegian society. That

:35:12. > :35:15.demonstrates exactly what is demonstrates exactly what is

:35:15. > :35:17.demonstrates exactly what is possible to achieve if a country

:35:17. > :35:18.possible to achieve if a country possible to achieve if a country

:35:18. > :35:20.house great and significant natural house great and significant natural

:35:20. > :35:20.house great and significant natural resources as Scotland does, but

:35:21. > :35:27.resources as Scotland does, but resources as Scotland does, but

:35:27. > :35:27.also their ability to take wiser also their ability to take wiser

:35:27. > :35:31.also their ability to take wiser decisions to steward at those

:35:31. > :35:34.decisions to steward at those resources. Westminster has managed

:35:34. > :35:35.resources. Westminster has managed resources. Westminster has managed

:35:35. > :35:36.to receive all these resources over to receive all these resources over

:35:37. > :35:38.to receive all these resources over the years and has managed to

:35:38. > :35:39.the years and has managed to the years and has managed to

:35:39. > :35:41.the years and has managed to squander the oil and gas wealth of

:35:41. > :35:42.squander the oil and gas wealth of squander the oil and gas wealth of

:35:42. > :35:43.from Scotland. That leaked document from Scotland. That leaked document

:35:43. > :35:48.from Scotland. That leaked document also points out that foreign

:35:48. > :35:51.also points out that foreign also points out that foreign

:35:51. > :35:52.revenue it is decreasing in the revenue it is decreasing in the

:35:52. > :35:54.revenue it is decreasing in the future. The problem with the

:35:54. > :35:54.future. The problem with the future. The problem with the

:35:54. > :35:57.information you are referring to information you are referring to

:35:57. > :35:57.information you are referring to information you are referring to

:35:57. > :36:00.information you are referring to his it is out of date. But this is

:36:00. > :36:04.his it is out of date. But this is long-term. There have been

:36:04. > :36:05.long-term. There have been long-term. There have been

:36:05. > :36:06.significant new finds in the North significant new finds in the North

:36:06. > :36:08.significant new finds in the North Sea which addresses the point you

:36:08. > :36:09.Sea which addresses the point you Sea which addresses the point you

:36:09. > :36:11.Sea which addresses the point you are making. It is about the long

:36:11. > :36:12.are making. It is about the long are making. It is about the long

:36:12. > :36:13.are making. It is about the long term. Some of their deals which are

:36:13. > :36:16.term. Some of their deals which are term. Some of their deals which are

:36:16. > :36:21.being developed and are being being developed and are being

:36:21. > :36:22.being developed and are being worked on -- oilfields that have

:36:22. > :36:23.worked on -- oilfields that have worked on -- oilfields that have

:36:23. > :36:25.been developed and are being worked been developed and are being worked

:36:25. > :36:28.been developed and are being worked been developed and are being worked

:36:28. > :36:29.on will have many years in front of on will have many years in front of

:36:29. > :36:31.on will have many years in front of them. Yes, these arise would have

:36:31. > :36:36.them. Yes, these arise would have them. Yes, these arise would have

:36:36. > :36:37.come out since that paper was come out since that paper was

:36:37. > :36:39.produced. They changed the produced. They changed the

:36:39. > :36:40.produced. They changed the landscape of the argument. There is

:36:40. > :36:41.landscape of the argument. There is landscape of the argument. There is

:36:41. > :36:42.landscape of the argument. There is a longevity to the oil and gas

:36:42. > :36:43.a longevity to the oil and gas a longevity to the oil and gas

:36:43. > :36:46.a longevity to the oil and gas sector which is being denied by the

:36:46. > :36:47.sector which is being denied by the Westminster government. The

:36:47. > :36:49.Westminster government. The opportunity of the independence

:36:49. > :36:51.opportunity of the independence opportunity of the independence

:36:51. > :36:52.referendum gives people in Scotland referendum gives people in Scotland

:36:52. > :36:56.referendum gives people in Scotland referendum gives people in Scotland

:36:57. > :37:02.a chance to seek we will steward a chance to seek we will steward

:37:02. > :37:02.a chance to seek we will steward these resources better. But we have

:37:02. > :37:03.these resources better. But we have these resources better. But we have

:37:03. > :37:04.these resources better. But we have a much oil fund and you will have

:37:04. > :37:05.a much oil fund and you will have a much oil fund and you will have

:37:05. > :37:06.a much oil fund and you will have to cream off some of that money to

:37:06. > :37:11.to cream off some of that money to to cream off some of that money to

:37:11. > :37:13.to cream off some of that money to put into the fund which will mean

:37:13. > :37:14.put into the fund which will mean put into the fund which will mean

:37:14. > :37:16.cuts in public spending. That cuts in public spending. That

:37:16. > :37:17.cuts in public spending. That ignores the opportunity to grow the

:37:17. > :37:20.ignores the opportunity to grow the ignores the opportunity to grow the

:37:20. > :37:21.Scottish economy. I have been Scottish economy. I have been

:37:21. > :37:22.Scottish economy. I have been interviewed for many years on the

:37:22. > :37:25.interviewed for many years on the interviewed for many years on the

:37:25. > :37:26.interviewed for many years on the fact that the UK Government has to

:37:26. > :37:31.fact that the UK Government has to fact that the UK Government has to

:37:31. > :37:32.have a growth rather than an have a growth rather than an

:37:32. > :37:35.have a growth rather than an austerity strategy. We do not

:37:35. > :37:37.austerity strategy. We do not austerity strategy. We do not

:37:37. > :37:37.believe him the economics of believe him the economics of

:37:37. > :37:40.believe him the economics of austerity. We believe in expanding

:37:40. > :37:41.austerity. We believe in expanding austerity. We believe in expanding

:37:41. > :37:43.the economy by investing in the economy by investing in

:37:43. > :37:44.infrastructure and capital projects. infrastructure and capital projects.

:37:44. > :37:45.infrastructure and capital projects. Ensuring we have the ability to

:37:45. > :37:53.Ensuring we have the ability to Ensuring we have the ability to

:37:53. > :37:53.grow and expand the economy. It grow and expand the economy. It

:37:53. > :37:55.grow and expand the economy. It demonstrates that the prospects and

:37:55. > :37:56.demonstrates that the prospects and demonstrates that the prospects and

:37:56. > :37:58.the possibility of a long-term oil the possibility of a long-term oil

:37:58. > :37:59.the possibility of a long-term oil and gas investment fund that could

:37:59. > :38:00.and gas investment fund that could and gas investment fund that could

:38:00. > :38:02.safeguard their economic future for safeguard their economic future for

:38:02. > :38:03.safeguard their economic future for the people of Scotland is a

:38:03. > :38:05.the people of Scotland is a practical and possible opportunity

:38:05. > :38:07.practical and possible opportunity practical and possible opportunity

:38:07. > :38:11.practical and possible opportunity and one that only arises out of

:38:11. > :38:11.and one that only arises out of and one that only arises out of

:38:11. > :38:14.independence. In that the debate independence. In that the debate

:38:14. > :38:19.independence. In that the debate about defence bases in the Scotland,

:38:19. > :38:21.about defence bases in the Scotland, about defence bases in the Scotland,

:38:21. > :38:22.Mark Griffin was pointing out that Mark Griffin was pointing out that

:38:22. > :38:27.Mark Griffin was pointing out that Mark Griffin was pointing out that

:38:27. > :38:29.a much lower budget must be assumed. a much lower budget must be assumed.

:38:29. > :38:30.a much lower budget must be assumed. The SNP say they are very

:38:30. > :38:31.The SNP say they are very disappointed with the announcement,

:38:31. > :38:32.disappointed with the announcement, disappointed with the announcement,

:38:32. > :38:35.disappointed with the announcement, but you might want to have a big

:38:35. > :38:37.but you might want to have a big but you might want to have a big

:38:37. > :38:39.defence cut in an independent defence cut in an independent

:38:39. > :38:40.Scotland. The UK Government Scotland. The UK Government

:38:40. > :38:42.Scotland. The UK Government currently spends about �2 billion

:38:42. > :38:43.currently spends about �2 billion currently spends about �2 billion

:38:43. > :38:45.on defence in Scotland. The SNP on defence in Scotland. The SNP

:38:45. > :38:51.on defence in Scotland. The SNP government wants to spend about

:38:51. > :38:55.government wants to spend about government wants to spend about

:38:55. > :38:56.�2.5 billion. That is an increase. �2.5 billion. That is an increase.

:38:56. > :38:58.�2.5 billion. That is an increase. �2.5 billion. That is an increase.

:38:58. > :38:59.That is what this debate is about. That is what this debate is about.

:38:59. > :38:59.That is what this debate is about. What people in Scotland face the

:38:59. > :39:02.What people in Scotland face the What people in Scotland face the

:39:02. > :39:03.choice about his being locked into choice about his being locked into

:39:03. > :39:04.choice about his being locked into choice about his being locked into

:39:04. > :39:06.a United Kingdom that in 10 years a United Kingdom that in 10 years

:39:06. > :39:07.a United Kingdom that in 10 years a United Kingdom that in 10 years

:39:07. > :39:09.will be reserving about a third of will be reserving about a third of

:39:09. > :39:10.will be reserving about a third of defence expenditure to prop up a

:39:10. > :39:11.defence expenditure to prop up a defence expenditure to prop up a

:39:11. > :39:12.Trident missile system that none of Trident missile system that none of

:39:12. > :39:14.Trident missile system that none of Trident missile system that none of

:39:14. > :39:16.us in Scotland want, or we can have us in Scotland want, or we can have

:39:16. > :39:18.us in Scotland want, or we can have defence forces in Scotland that

:39:18. > :39:19.defence forces in Scotland that defence forces in Scotland that

:39:19. > :39:22.defence forces in Scotland that meets the needs of our people. That

:39:22. > :39:23.meets the needs of our people. That meets the needs of our people. That

:39:23. > :39:24.is the proposition that the SNP is the proposition that the SNP

:39:24. > :39:30.is the proposition that the SNP is the proposition that the SNP

:39:31. > :39:32.will put to the people of this will put to the people of this

:39:32. > :39:34.will put to the people of this country. These figures seem to be

:39:34. > :39:35.country. These figures seem to be country. These figures seem to be

:39:35. > :39:36.good reading for you. But they good reading for you. But they

:39:36. > :39:37.good reading for you. But they appear to show that Scotland will

:39:37. > :39:44.appear to show that Scotland will appear to show that Scotland will

:39:44. > :39:44.appear to show that Scotland will appear to show that Scotland will

:39:44. > :39:45.be worse off in 20 -- in 2016. be worse off in 20 -- in 2016.

:39:45. > :39:50.be worse off in 20 -- in 2016. the projections you are referring

:39:50. > :39:55.the projections you are referring the projections you are referring

:39:55. > :39:56.to, Scotland runs a relative so to, Scotland runs a relative so

:39:56. > :39:57.to, Scotland runs a relative so plus. The question for the people

:39:57. > :39:59.plus. The question for the people plus. The question for the people

:39:59. > :40:00.plus. The question for the people of Scotland is weather they want to

:40:00. > :40:01.of Scotland is weather they want to of Scotland is weather they want to

:40:01. > :40:02.get hold of those resources or get hold of those resources or

:40:02. > :40:10.get hold of those resources or leave them to Westminster to

:40:10. > :40:10.leave them to Westminster to leave them to Westminster to

:40:10. > :40:12.squander. That is the choice that squander. That is the choice that

:40:12. > :40:13.squander. That is the choice that squander. That is the choice that

:40:13. > :40:14.people in Scotland face. It is a people in Scotland face. It is a

:40:14. > :40:15.people in Scotland face. It is a people in Scotland face. It is a

:40:15. > :40:16.choice that has got it, it will put choice that has got it, it will put

:40:16. > :40:17.choice that has got it, it will put two people with confidence about

:40:17. > :40:23.two people with confidence about two people with confidence about

:40:23. > :40:24.their economic future of our their economic future of our

:40:24. > :40:26.their economic future of our country. -- choice that the

:40:26. > :40:32.country. -- choice that the country. -- choice that the

:40:32. > :40:33.Scottish government will put two people.

:40:33. > :40:34.people. people.

:40:34. > :40:38.people. What did you make of that. That was

:40:38. > :40:39.What did you make of that. That was What did you make of that. That was

:40:39. > :40:42.What did you make of that. That was quite a stout defence. A very stout

:40:42. > :40:43.quite a stout defence. A very stout quite a stout defence. A very stout

:40:43. > :40:44.quite a stout defence. A very stout defence. But it is a sad but true

:40:44. > :40:46.defence. But it is a sad but true defence. But it is a sad but true

:40:46. > :40:52.fact that you can always spend fact that you can always spend

:40:53. > :40:53.fact that you can always spend fact that you can always spend

:40:53. > :40:54.money once. It is good to talk money once. It is good to talk

:40:54. > :40:55.money once. It is good to talk money once. It is good to talk

:40:55. > :40:56.about a notional oil fund, but to about a notional oil fund, but to

:40:56. > :40:57.about a notional oil fund, but to about a notional oil fund, but to

:40:57. > :41:01.have that, you have to go through have that, you have to go through

:41:01. > :41:03.have that, you have to go through have that, you have to go through

:41:03. > :41:04.the figures and take out money from the figures and take out money from

:41:04. > :41:05.the figures and take out money from every department. As the figures

:41:05. > :41:06.every department. As the figures every department. As the figures

:41:06. > :41:07.every department. As the figures stack up, there is no provision for

:41:07. > :41:09.stack up, there is no provision for stack up, there is no provision for

:41:09. > :41:12.stack up, there is no provision for this oil fund and that is how on

:41:12. > :41:14.this oil fund and that is how on this oil fund and that is how on

:41:14. > :41:14.the net deficit, these vigorous the net deficit, these vigorous

:41:14. > :41:17.the net deficit, these vigorous the net deficit, these vigorous

:41:17. > :41:20.show a Scottish budget which is a show a Scottish budget which is a

:41:20. > :41:22.show a Scottish budget which is a 5% deficit against the UK's 7.9%.

:41:22. > :41:24.5% deficit against the UK's 7.9%. 5% deficit against the UK's 7.9%.

:41:24. > :41:26.The money has already been The money has already been

:41:26. > :41:29.The money has already been allocated. That oil money has been

:41:29. > :41:30.allocated. That oil money has been allocated. That oil money has been

:41:30. > :41:38.spared already? Yes.What else did spared already? Yes.What else did

:41:38. > :41:39.spared already? Yes.What else did spared already? Yes.What else did

:41:39. > :41:41.you make of the fact, looking ahead you make of the fact, looking ahead

:41:41. > :41:42.you make of the fact, looking ahead you make of the fact, looking ahead

:41:42. > :41:44.to 2016? You will not find a single to 2016? You will not find a single

:41:44. > :41:46.to 2016? You will not find a single Economist or oil expert or a

:41:46. > :41:46.Economist or oil expert or a Economist or oil expert or a

:41:46. > :41:49.Economist or oil expert or a geologist who will be able to tell

:41:49. > :41:50.geologist who will be able to tell geologist who will be able to tell

:41:50. > :41:52.geologist who will be able to tell you in six months what all price is

:41:52. > :41:53.you in six months what all price is you in six months what all price is

:41:53. > :41:53.you in six months what all price is going to be and what the output is

:41:54. > :41:55.going to be and what the output is going to be and what the output is

:41:55. > :41:56.going to be and what the output is going to be from North Sea oil. It

:41:56. > :42:01.going to be from North Sea oil. It going to be from North Sea oil. It

:42:01. > :42:02.going to be from North Sea oil. It is it time and again by problems.

:42:02. > :42:06.is it time and again by problems. is it time and again by problems.

:42:07. > :42:08.It is so difficult to predict. It is so difficult to predict.

:42:08. > :42:09.It is so difficult to predict. Whoever will be the finance

:42:09. > :42:09.Whoever will be the finance secretary in an independent

:42:09. > :42:11.secretary in an independent secretary in an independent

:42:11. > :42:13.Scotland will have this headache of Scotland will have this headache of

:42:13. > :42:15.Scotland will have this headache of having to protect budgets for five

:42:15. > :42:16.having to protect budgets for five having to protect budgets for five

:42:16. > :42:17.years ahead. The UK Government years ahead. The UK Government

:42:17. > :42:18.years ahead. The UK Government years ahead. The UK Government

:42:18. > :42:19.cannot do it and I very much doubt cannot do it and I very much doubt

:42:19. > :42:20.cannot do it and I very much doubt if a Scottish government will be

:42:20. > :42:23.if a Scottish government will be if a Scottish government will be

:42:23. > :42:24.if a Scottish government will be able to do it. But John Swinney has

:42:24. > :42:28.able to do it. But John Swinney has able to do it. But John Swinney has

:42:28. > :42:33.said that Norway is more dependent said that Norway is more dependent

:42:33. > :42:35.said that Norway is more dependent said that Norway is more dependent

:42:35. > :42:35.on oil revenue. They do, but it is on oil revenue. They do, but it is

:42:35. > :42:36.on oil revenue. They do, but it is a colossal Fonda in debt is

:42:36. > :42:37.a colossal Fonda in debt is a colossal Fonda in debt is

:42:37. > :42:41.a colossal Fonda in debt is invested around the world. It is a

:42:41. > :42:43.invested around the world. It is a invested around the world. It is a

:42:43. > :42:47.dream ticket. But they had been dream ticket. But they had been

:42:47. > :42:47.dream ticket. But they had been dream ticket. But they had been

:42:47. > :42:50.building it up for decades. I am building it up for decades. I am

:42:50. > :42:51.building it up for decades. I am never quite sure with John Swinney

:42:51. > :42:52.never quite sure with John Swinney never quite sure with John Swinney

:42:52. > :42:53.whether I should cheer or burst whether I should cheer or burst

:42:53. > :42:54.whether I should cheer or burst whether I should cheer or burst

:42:54. > :42:56.into tears when I listen to them. into tears when I listen to them.

:42:56. > :42:58.into tears when I listen to them. into tears when I listen to them.

:42:58. > :42:59.He makes me weep when he talks He makes me weep when he talks

:42:59. > :43:01.He makes me weep when he talks about the austerity, the hard fist

:43:01. > :43:02.about the austerity, the hard fist about the austerity, the hard fist

:43:02. > :43:04.of austerity of the UK Government of austerity of the UK Government

:43:04. > :43:08.on Scottish government spending. on Scottish government spending.

:43:09. > :43:11.on Scottish government spending. But it is very interesting, you

:43:11. > :43:12.But it is very interesting, you But it is very interesting, you

:43:12. > :43:13.burst into applause because of burst into applause because of

:43:13. > :43:14.burst into applause because of public spending in Scotland since

:43:14. > :43:16.public spending in Scotland since public spending in Scotland since

:43:16. > :43:20.the recession began has actually the recession began has actually

:43:20. > :43:22.the recession began has actually risen by 8.5 billion. Well done,

:43:22. > :43:24.risen by 8.5 billion. Well done, risen by 8.5 billion. Well done,

:43:24. > :43:26.John Swinney for achieving that. John Swinney for achieving that.

:43:26. > :43:26.John Swinney for achieving that. John Swinney for achieving that.

:43:26. > :43:27.But you cannot possibly say you had But you cannot possibly say you had

:43:27. > :43:28.But you cannot possibly say you had But you cannot possibly say you had

:43:28. > :43:30.been crushed into the ground by the been crushed into the ground by the

:43:31. > :43:34.been crushed into the ground by the great austerity of the UK. Thank

:43:34. > :43:35.you. you.

:43:35. > :43:36.you. Now to Prime Minister's Questions

:43:36. > :43:37.Now to Prime Minister's Questions Now to Prime Minister's Questions

:43:37. > :43:38.Now to Prime Minister's Questions where the Labour leader put the PM

:43:38. > :43:39.where the Labour leader put the PM where the Labour leader put the PM

:43:39. > :43:40.on the spot over bankers' bonuses on the spot over bankers' bonuses

:43:40. > :43:41.on the spot over bankers' bonuses and the bedroom tax. Ed Miliband

:43:41. > :43:42.and the bedroom tax. Ed Miliband and the bedroom tax. Ed Miliband

:43:42. > :43:43.wanted to know why the UK wanted to know why the UK

:43:43. > :43:44.wanted to know why the UK government was fighting an EU cap

:43:44. > :43:45.government was fighting an EU cap government was fighting an EU cap

:43:45. > :43:46.on bonuses while saying disabled on bonuses while saying disabled

:43:46. > :43:47.on bonuses while saying disabled on bonuses while saying disabled

:43:47. > :43:48.people will lose out because of the people will lose out because of the

:43:48. > :43:49.under-occupancy penalty. David under-occupancy penalty. David

:43:49. > :43:50.under-occupancy penalty. David Cameron said taxpayers cough up

:43:50. > :43:51.Cameron said taxpayers cough up Cameron said taxpayers cough up

:43:51. > :43:52.Cameron said taxpayers cough up �1,000 a year each to fund housing

:43:52. > :43:56.�1,000 a year each to fund housing �1,000 a year each to fund housing

:43:56. > :43:58.�1,000 a year each to fund housing benefit and it had to go down.

:43:58. > :43:58.benefit and it had to go down. benefit and it had to go down.

:43:58. > :43:59.benefit and it had to go down. I would like to ask the Prime

:43:59. > :44:00.I would like to ask the Prime I would like to ask the Prime

:44:00. > :44:03.Minister about an individual case Minister about an individual case

:44:03. > :44:04.Minister about an individual case Minister about an individual case

:44:04. > :44:05.that has been raised with me. John that has been raised with me. John

:44:05. > :44:06.that has been raised with me. John that has been raised with me. John

:44:06. > :44:07.lives in East London and is worried lives in East London and is worried

:44:07. > :44:10.lives in East London and is worried what is happening to his living

:44:10. > :44:11.what is happening to his living what is happening to his living

:44:11. > :44:13.standards. His salary is �1 million standards. His salary is �1 million

:44:13. > :44:14.standards. His salary is �1 million standards. His salary is �1 million

:44:14. > :44:15.and he is worried that under a and he is worried that under a

:44:15. > :44:17.and he is worried that under a proposed EU regulations, he is a

:44:17. > :44:19.proposed EU regulations, he is a proposed EU regulations, he is a

:44:19. > :44:20.bonus may be capped adjusted �2 bonus may be capped adjusted �2

:44:20. > :44:20.bonus may be capped adjusted �2 million. Can the Prime Minister

:44:20. > :44:21.million. Can the Prime Minister million. Can the Prime Minister

:44:21. > :44:25.million. Can the Prime Minister million. Can the Prime Minister

:44:25. > :44:29.tell us what he is going to do for tell us what he is going to do for

:44:29. > :44:31.tell us what he is going to do for tell us what he is going to do for

:44:31. > :44:32.John? What I would say to John and John? What I would say to John and

:44:32. > :44:34.John? What I would say to John and everyone like John is that under

:44:34. > :44:37.everyone like John is that under everyone like John is that under

:44:37. > :44:38.this government, bonuses are under this government, bonuses are under

:44:38. > :44:40.this government, bonuses are under one-quarter what they wear under

:44:40. > :44:41.one-quarter what they wear under one-quarter what they wear under

:44:41. > :44:43.Labour. I will take lots of Labour. I will take lots of

:44:43. > :44:44.Labour. I will take lots of Labour. I will take lots of

:44:44. > :44:44.lectures from lots of people, but I lectures from lots of people, but I

:44:44. > :44:54.lectures from lots of people, but I lectures from lots of people, but I

:44:54. > :45:04.

:45:04. > :45:05.I know he does not want to deal I know he does not want to deal

:45:05. > :45:06.I know he does not want to deal I know he does not want to deal

:45:06. > :45:07.with the fact, but he sent his with the fact, but he sent his

:45:07. > :45:08.with the fact, but he sent his Chancellor to Europe yesterday to

:45:08. > :45:16.Chancellor to Europe yesterday to Chancellor to Europe yesterday to

:45:16. > :45:17.argue against the bonus tax. argue against the bonus tax.

:45:17. > :45:18.argue against the bonus tax. Presumably because it will be bad

:45:18. > :45:20.Presumably because it will be bad Presumably because it will be bad

:45:20. > :45:21.Presumably because it will be bad for the City of London, he said no.

:45:21. > :45:22.for the City of London, he said no. for the City of London, he said no.

:45:22. > :45:23.for the City of London, he said no. It was a Conservative member of the

:45:23. > :45:24.It was a Conservative member of the It was a Conservative member of the

:45:24. > :45:26.European Parliament who led this. European Parliament who led this.

:45:26. > :45:27.European Parliament who led this. She said, we have managed to

:45:27. > :45:28.She said, we have managed to She said, we have managed to

:45:28. > :45:31.She said, we have managed to produce a deal that will strike the

:45:31. > :45:32.produce a deal that will strike the produce a deal that will strike the

:45:32. > :45:36.right balance for the majority of right balance for the majority of

:45:36. > :45:37.bankers who take responsible bankers who take responsible

:45:37. > :45:38.bankers who take responsible decisions. Why are the Chancellor

:45:38. > :45:39.decisions. Why are the Chancellor decisions. Why are the Chancellor

:45:39. > :45:39.and the Prime Minister the only and the Prime Minister the only

:45:39. > :45:40.and the Prime Minister the only and the Prime Minister the only

:45:40. > :45:41.people who think it is a priority people who think it is a priority

:45:41. > :45:45.people who think it is a priority people who think it is a priority

:45:45. > :45:46.to fight for biddable this is for to fight for biddable this is for

:45:46. > :45:48.to fight for biddable this is for bankers? -- for a bigger bonuses.

:45:48. > :45:50.bankers? -- for a bigger bonuses. bankers? -- for a bigger bonuses.

:45:50. > :45:52.We have the toughest rules on We have the toughest rules on

:45:52. > :45:53.We have the toughest rules on transparency of any major financial

:45:53. > :45:59.transparency of any major financial transparency of any major financial

:45:59. > :46:03.transparency of any major financial sector in the world. When the crew

:46:03. > :46:04.sector in the world. When the crew sector in the world. When the crew

:46:04. > :46:06.-- croupiers wed in charge, where -- croupiers wed in charge, where

:46:06. > :46:08.-- croupiers wed in charge, where -- croupiers wed in charge, where

:46:08. > :46:11.were the rules? There were none. We were the rules? There were none. We

:46:11. > :46:11.were the rules? There were none. We were the rules? There were none. We

:46:11. > :46:13.are responsible for 40% of the EU's are responsible for 40% of the EU's

:46:13. > :46:14.financial services. Those financial services. Those

:46:14. > :46:15.financial services. Those industries are in this country and

:46:15. > :46:16.industries are in this country and industries are in this country and

:46:16. > :46:18.industries are in this country and we should make sure they go one

:46:18. > :46:18.we should make sure they go one we should make sure they go one

:46:18. > :46:20.contributing to the Exchequer. We contributing to the Exchequer. We

:46:20. > :46:21.contributing to the Exchequer. We want to make sure that

:46:21. > :46:22.want to make sure that want to make sure that

:46:22. > :46:24.international bands go on being international bands go on being

:46:24. > :46:26.international bands go on being headquartered here in the UK. We

:46:26. > :46:27.headquartered here in the UK. We headquartered here in the UK. We

:46:27. > :46:28.think that matters. He might want think that matters. He might want

:46:28. > :46:32.think that matters. He might want think that matters. He might want

:46:32. > :46:33.to play politics, but we care about to play politics, but we care about

:46:33. > :46:34.to play politics, but we care about to play politics, but we care about

:46:34. > :46:36.these things. We also want to make these things. We also want to make

:46:36. > :46:36.these things. We also want to make these things. We also want to make

:46:36. > :46:38.sure that we can put in place a sure that we can put in place a

:46:38. > :46:39.sure that we can put in place a very tough ring-fence around the

:46:39. > :46:40.very tough ring-fence around the very tough ring-fence around the

:46:40. > :46:41.retail banks so the complete retail banks so the complete

:46:41. > :46:45.retail banks so the complete shambles he presided over can never

:46:45. > :46:46.happen again. happen again.

:46:46. > :46:47.happen again. happen again.

:46:47. > :46:48.Let me ask him about the cases of Let me ask him about the cases of

:46:48. > :46:49.Let me ask him about the cases of the hundreds of thousands of

:46:49. > :46:51.the hundreds of thousands of the hundreds of thousands of

:46:51. > :46:52.disabled people who will be losing disabled people who will be losing

:46:52. > :46:53.disabled people who will be losing disabled people who will be losing

:46:53. > :46:54.an average of �700 a year because an average of �700 a year because

:46:54. > :46:55.an average of �700 a year because an average of �700 a year because

:46:55. > :46:56.of his bedroom tax. Will he fight of his bedroom tax. Will he fight

:46:56. > :46:57.of his bedroom tax. Will he fight of his bedroom tax. Will he fight

:46:57. > :47:01.for them like he is fighting for for them like he is fighting for

:47:01. > :47:03.for them like he is fighting for John the banker? It does remember

:47:03. > :47:04.John the banker? It does remember John the banker? It does remember

:47:04. > :47:06.John the banker? It does remember what happened in 2008, when he was

:47:06. > :47:08.what happened in 2008, when he was what happened in 2008, when he was

:47:08. > :47:09.sitting in government. The biggest sitting in government. The biggest

:47:09. > :47:11.sitting in government. The biggest sitting in government. The biggest

:47:11. > :47:16.banking Bast it in our history. The banking Bast it in our history. The

:47:16. > :47:18.banking Bast it in our history. The biggest deficit in history. Biggest

:47:18. > :47:22.biggest deficit in history. Biggest biggest deficit in history. Biggest

:47:22. > :47:23.-- the biggest banking bust. Before -- the biggest banking bust. Before

:47:23. > :47:24.-- the biggest banking bust. Before -- the biggest banking bust. Before

:47:24. > :47:25.we go on to the spare room subsidy, we go on to the spare room subsidy,

:47:25. > :47:26.we go on to the spare room subsidy, we go on to the spare room subsidy,

:47:26. > :47:28.let him get to his feet and let him get to his feet and

:47:28. > :47:29.let him get to his feet and let him get to his feet and

:47:29. > :47:31.apologise for the mess he left in apologise for the mess he left in

:47:31. > :47:32.apologise for the mess he left in apologise for the mess he left in

:47:32. > :47:33.this country. He did not answer the this country. He did not answer the

:47:33. > :47:34.this country. He did not answer the question about bedroom tax. He

:47:34. > :47:36.question about bedroom tax. He question about bedroom tax. He

:47:36. > :47:38.spoke about the hardship fund. Let spoke about the hardship fund. Let

:47:38. > :47:40.spoke about the hardship fund. Let us talk about the fact honest.

:47:40. > :47:42.us talk about the fact honest. us talk about the fact honest.

:47:42. > :47:43.There is �25 million allocated to There is �25 million allocated to

:47:43. > :47:50.There is �25 million allocated to help disabled people hit by the

:47:50. > :47:51.help disabled people hit by the bedroom tax. 25 million

:47:51. > :47:52.bedroom tax. 25 million specifically for disabled people.

:47:52. > :47:54.specifically for disabled people. specifically for disabled people.

:47:54. > :47:58.specifically for disabled people. But how much is he taking from

:47:58. > :47:58.But how much is he taking from But how much is he taking from

:47:59. > :48:00.disabled people? �306 million. Will disabled people? �306 million. Will

:48:00. > :48:01.disabled people? �306 million. Will he admit that the majority of

:48:01. > :48:02.he admit that the majority of he admit that the majority of

:48:02. > :48:03.disabled people hit by his bedroom disabled people hit by his bedroom

:48:03. > :48:06.disabled people hit by his bedroom disabled people hit by his bedroom

:48:06. > :48:08.tax will get no help from his tax will get no help from his

:48:08. > :48:09.tax will get no help from his hardship fund? The whole country

:48:09. > :48:13.hardship fund? The whole country hardship fund? The whole country

:48:14. > :48:14.hardship fund? The whole country will note there is no apology. On

:48:14. > :48:17.will note there is no apology. On will note there is no apology. On

:48:17. > :48:18.the spare room subsidy, his figures the spare room subsidy, his figures

:48:18. > :48:19.the spare room subsidy, his figures are incorrect. The last thing he

:48:19. > :48:21.are incorrect. The last thing he are incorrect. The last thing he

:48:21. > :48:21.are incorrect. The last thing he said before he sat down is that we

:48:21. > :48:22.said before he sat down is that we said before he sat down is that we

:48:22. > :48:23.are cutting the money going to are cutting the money going to

:48:23. > :48:27.are cutting the money going to disabled people, that is not the

:48:27. > :48:29.disabled people, that is not the disabled people, that is not the

:48:29. > :48:29.case. In 2009-10, the money spent case. In 2009-10, the money spent

:48:29. > :48:30.case. In 2009-10, the money spent case. In 2009-10, the money spent

:48:30. > :48:33.on Disability living a row it -- on Disability living a row it --

:48:33. > :48:34.on Disability living a row it -- on Disability living a row it --

:48:34. > :48:39.Alliance was 12.4 bn. By 2.15 it Alliance was 12.4 bn. By 2.15 it

:48:39. > :48:40.Alliance was 12.4 bn. By 2.15 it Alliance was 12.4 bn. By 2.15 it

:48:40. > :48:41.will be 13.3 bn. This Government is will be 13.3 bn. This Government is

:48:41. > :48:43.will be 13.3 bn. This Government is protecting the money, in spite of

:48:43. > :48:44.protecting the money, in spite of the mess he made.

:48:44. > :48:47.the mess he made. the mess he made.

:48:47. > :48:49.Let us stay at Westminster and Let us stay at Westminster and

:48:49. > :48:52.Let us stay at Westminster and speak to David Porter, on College

:48:52. > :48:55.speak to David Porter, on College speak to David Porter, on College

:48:55. > :48:56.Green. Good afternoon. As we have Green. Good afternoon. As we have

:48:56. > :48:58.just heard, Prime Minister's just heard, Prime Minister's

:48:58. > :48:59.just heard, Prime Minister's Question Time is regarded as the

:48:59. > :49:00.Question Time is regarded as the Question Time is regarded as the

:49:00. > :49:01.Question Time is regarded as the highlight of the week. But a very

:49:01. > :49:02.highlight of the week. But a very important decision was made

:49:02. > :49:04.important decision was made important decision was made

:49:04. > :49:10.yesterday. That was about the yesterday. That was about the

:49:10. > :49:11.yesterday. That was about the yesterday. That was about the

:49:11. > :49:12.future based in of the army in the future based in of the army in the

:49:12. > :49:13.future based in of the army in the United Kingdom. We learned there

:49:13. > :49:14.United Kingdom. We learned there United Kingdom. We learned there

:49:14. > :49:16.would be around 4,000 troops in would be around 4,000 troops in

:49:16. > :49:17.would be around 4,000 troops in Scotland, far less than we thought,

:49:17. > :49:18.Scotland, far less than we thought, Scotland, far less than we thought,

:49:18. > :49:22.as the army draws down his as the army draws down his

:49:22. > :49:23.as the army draws down his personnel from Germany. I am joined

:49:23. > :49:26.personnel from Germany. I am joined personnel from Germany. I am joined

:49:26. > :49:28.by two MPs who have constituency by two MPs who have constituency

:49:28. > :49:29.by two MPs who have constituency interests in this matter. Gemma

:49:29. > :49:31.interests in this matter. Gemma interests in this matter. Gemma

:49:31. > :49:32.Doyle, part of labour's defence Doyle, part of labour's defence

:49:32. > :49:33.Doyle, part of labour's defence Doyle, part of labour's defence

:49:33. > :49:37.team, and Stewart Hosie. We had a team, and Stewart Hosie. We had a

:49:37. > :49:38.team, and Stewart Hosie. We had a strange thing yesterday, you and

:49:38. > :49:40.strange thing yesterday, you and strange thing yesterday, you and

:49:40. > :49:41.strange thing yesterday, you and the SNP do not accuse it -- agree

:49:41. > :49:42.the SNP do not accuse it -- agree the SNP do not accuse it -- agree

:49:42. > :49:44.the SNP do not accuse it -- agree on much, but you are both accusing

:49:44. > :49:47.on much, but you are both accusing on much, but you are both accusing

:49:47. > :49:49.the government on reneging on the government on reneging on

:49:49. > :49:50.promises. Absolutely. We are promises. Absolutely. We are

:49:50. > :49:51.promises. Absolutely. We are pleased we got the announcement, it

:49:51. > :49:52.pleased we got the announcement, it pleased we got the announcement, it

:49:52. > :49:53.pleased we got the announcement, it has been put off again and again,

:49:53. > :49:54.has been put off again and again, has been put off again and again,

:49:54. > :49:58.has been put off again and again, which has been very unfair on the

:49:58. > :49:59.which has been very unfair on the which has been very unfair on the

:49:59. > :50:01.forces and their families. Some forces and their families. Some

:50:01. > :50:04.forces and their families. Some things which were welcome, but also

:50:04. > :50:07.things which were welcome, but also some huge disappointing news,

:50:07. > :50:07.some huge disappointing news, some huge disappointing news,

:50:07. > :50:09.particularly about the number of particularly about the number of

:50:09. > :50:12.troops returning from Germany troops returning from Germany

:50:12. > :50:16.troops returning from Germany coming to Scotland. It is a

:50:16. > :50:17.coming to Scotland. It is a coming to Scotland. It is a

:50:17. > :50:20.substantially lower figure. We were substantially lower figure. We were

:50:20. > :50:20.substantially lower figure. We were promised thousands to come back.

:50:20. > :50:21.promised thousands to come back. promised thousands to come back.

:50:21. > :50:22.your keyboard of contention with your keyboard of contention with

:50:22. > :50:24.your keyboard of contention with the government, you promised us

:50:24. > :50:26.the government, you promised us the government, you promised us

:50:26. > :50:28.thousands, but we will get the thousands, but we will get the

:50:28. > :50:28.hundreds? Absolutely, it was hundreds? Absolutely, it was

:50:28. > :50:30.hundreds? Absolutely, it was extremely disappointing, and no way

:50:30. > :50:32.extremely disappointing, and no way extremely disappointing, and no way

:50:32. > :50:33.to treat the armed forces or to treat the armed forces or

:50:33. > :50:36.to treat the armed forces or Scotland. Stewart Hosie, we will

:50:36. > :50:38.Scotland. Stewart Hosie, we will Scotland. Stewart Hosie, we will

:50:38. > :50:39.not get agreement for this whole not get agreement for this whole

:50:39. > :50:40.not get agreement for this whole discussion, but you seem to be

:50:40. > :50:41.discussion, but you seem to be discussion, but you seem to be

:50:41. > :50:44.discussion, but you seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet as

:50:44. > :50:45.singing from the same hymn sheet as singing from the same hymn sheet as

:50:45. > :50:54.Labour with this? Absolutely. There Labour with this? Absolutely. There

:50:54. > :50:55.Labour with this? Absolutely. There Labour with this? Absolutely. There

:50:55. > :50:56.were some good bits. We heard that were some good bits. We heard that

:50:56. > :50:57.were some good bits. We heard that this 45 command will remain, which

:50:57. > :51:00.this 45 command will remain, which this 45 command will remain, which

:51:00. > :51:02.this 45 command will remain, which is good. The bad news is that it

:51:02. > :51:02.is good. The bad news is that it is good. The bad news is that it

:51:02. > :51:04.confirms the determination to cut confirms the determination to cut

:51:04. > :51:06.confirms the determination to cut confirms the determination to cut

:51:06. > :51:07.the army further than they said two the army further than they said two

:51:07. > :51:07.the army further than they said two the army further than they said two

:51:08. > :51:13.years ago, and the point Gemma made years ago, and the point Gemma made

:51:13. > :51:15.years ago, and the point Gemma made his right. Liam Fox promised

:51:15. > :51:16.his right. Liam Fox promised his right. Liam Fox promised

:51:16. > :51:17.between 65071000 troops, but the between 65071000 troops, but the

:51:17. > :51:18.between 65071000 troops, but the between 65071000 troops, but the

:51:18. > :51:19.number yesterday was 600. That is a number yesterday was 600. That is a

:51:19. > :51:20.number yesterday was 600. That is a number yesterday was 600. That is a

:51:20. > :51:21.kick in the teeth to people in kick in the teeth to people in

:51:21. > :51:22.kick in the teeth to people in Scotland and to the armed forces

:51:22. > :51:24.Scotland and to the armed forces Scotland and to the armed forces

:51:24. > :51:30.and communities who support them. - and communities who support them. -

:51:30. > :51:31.and communities who support them. - - we were promised between 6,500,

:51:31. > :51:35.- we were promised between 6,500, - we were promised between 6,500,

:51:35. > :51:36.and 7,000 troops to return. and 7,000 troops to return.

:51:36. > :51:36.and 7,000 troops to return. and 7,000 troops to return.

:51:36. > :51:37.idea that they floated in the past idea that they floated in the past

:51:37. > :51:38.idea that they floated in the past idea that they floated in the past

:51:38. > :51:46.was not going to work now, that is was not going to work now, that is

:51:46. > :51:47.was not going to work now, that is what they said. A government that

:51:47. > :51:48.what they said. A government that what they said. A government that

:51:48. > :51:50.he decides to replace Trident while he decides to replace Trident while

:51:50. > :51:51.he decides to replace Trident while he decides to replace Trident while

:51:51. > :51:53.we see troops on the ground being we see troops on the ground being

:51:53. > :51:54.we see troops on the ground being we see troops on the ground being

:51:54. > :51:55.cut makes no sense at all. Gemma cut makes no sense at all. Gemma

:51:55. > :51:55.cut makes no sense at all. Gemma cut makes no sense at all. Gemma

:51:55. > :51:56.Doyle, one way you could get the Doyle, one way you could get the

:51:57. > :51:57.Doyle, one way you could get the defence budget back into some kind

:51:57. > :52:00.defence budget back into some kind defence budget back into some kind

:52:00. > :52:01.defence budget back into some kind of kilter, you could say that we

:52:01. > :52:02.of kilter, you could say that we of kilter, you could say that we

:52:02. > :52:04.of kilter, you could say that we will not have Trident. We think the

:52:04. > :52:05.will not have Trident. We think the will not have Trident. We think the

:52:05. > :52:06.question of whether or not we question of whether or not we

:52:06. > :52:07.question of whether or not we maintain a nuclear deterrent has to

:52:07. > :52:10.maintain a nuclear deterrent has to maintain a nuclear deterrent has to

:52:10. > :52:11.maintain a nuclear deterrent has to be taken on its own merits. I have

:52:11. > :52:12.be taken on its own merits. I have be taken on its own merits. I have

:52:12. > :52:19.criticised this government for the criticised this government for the

:52:19. > :52:19.criticised this government for the criticised this government for the

:52:19. > :52:20.cuts they have made, and they have cuts they have made, and they have

:52:20. > :52:22.cuts they have made, and they have cuts they have made, and they have

:52:22. > :52:24.really let down in the forces on a really let down in the forces on a

:52:24. > :52:25.really let down in the forces on a number of key points. And the

:52:25. > :52:27.number of key points. And the number of key points. And the

:52:27. > :52:29.bedroom tax is also affecting armed bedroom tax is also affecting armed

:52:29. > :52:30.bedroom tax is also affecting armed forces'' families, and the Prime

:52:30. > :52:31.forces'' families, and the Prime Minister thinks prisoners' families

:52:31. > :52:34.Minister thinks prisoners' families Minister thinks prisoners' families

:52:34. > :52:35.should have an exemption, but not should have an exemption, but not

:52:35. > :52:38.should have an exemption, but not armed forces. Let us keep with

:52:39. > :52:40.armed forces. Let us keep with armed forces. Let us keep with

:52:40. > :52:41.Trident for the moment. If Britain Trident for the moment. If Britain

:52:41. > :52:43.Trident for the moment. If Britain was no longer to have Trident,

:52:43. > :52:43.was no longer to have Trident, was no longer to have Trident,

:52:43. > :52:45.whether it was an independent whether it was an independent

:52:45. > :52:46.whether it was an independent whether it was an independent

:52:46. > :52:46.Scotland are not, do you think the Scotland are not, do you think the

:52:46. > :52:47.Scotland are not, do you think the Scotland are not, do you think the

:52:47. > :52:52.figures could be made to balance so figures could be made to balance so

:52:52. > :52:54.figures could be made to balance so that there will not be the

:52:54. > :52:57.that there will not be the that there will not be the

:52:57. > :52:57.reductions to the army and the reductions to the army and the

:52:57. > :52:58.reductions to the army and the reductions to the army and the

:52:58. > :52:59.forces? If you do not spend money forces? If you do not spend money

:52:59. > :53:00.forces? If you do not spend money on weapons of mass destruction,

:53:00. > :53:01.on weapons of mass destruction, on weapons of mass destruction,

:53:01. > :53:03.on weapons of mass destruction, designed never to be used, you can

:53:03. > :53:04.designed never to be used, you can designed never to be used, you can

:53:04. > :53:06.still make savings, but you can still make savings, but you can

:53:06. > :53:07.still make savings, but you can maintain the standing army, air

:53:07. > :53:08.maintain the standing army, air maintain the standing army, air

:53:08. > :53:09.force and navy without the force and navy without the

:53:09. > :53:10.force and navy without the force and navy without the

:53:10. > :53:12.draconian cuts we are see him. If draconian cuts we are see him. If

:53:12. > :53:12.draconian cuts we are see him. If draconian cuts we are see him. If

:53:12. > :53:13.you think about what we ask the you think about what we ask the

:53:13. > :53:14.you think about what we ask the service personnel to do, it is

:53:14. > :53:15.service personnel to do, it is service personnel to do, it is

:53:15. > :53:18.service personnel to do, it is books on the ground, that is where

:53:18. > :53:19.books on the ground, that is where books on the ground, that is where

:53:19. > :53:21.we need people and equipment. We we need people and equipment. We

:53:21. > :53:23.we need people and equipment. We have all heard about the poor

:53:23. > :53:23.have all heard about the poor have all heard about the poor

:53:23. > :53:24.quality of equipment, the shortage quality of equipment, the shortage

:53:24. > :53:25.quality of equipment, the shortage of helicopters, all the other

:53:25. > :53:26.of helicopters, all the other of helicopters, all the other

:53:26. > :53:27.of helicopters, all the other stories we have seen and heard, but

:53:27. > :53:30.stories we have seen and heard, but stories we have seen and heard, but

:53:30. > :53:31.they are determined to press ahead, they are determined to press ahead,

:53:31. > :53:32.they are determined to press ahead, replacing Trident and cutting the

:53:32. > :53:32.replacing Trident and cutting the replacing Trident and cutting the

:53:32. > :53:36.number of service personnel, that number of service personnel, that

:53:36. > :53:37.number of service personnel, that makes no sense. The capital spent

:53:37. > :53:37.makes no sense. The capital spent makes no sense. The capital spent

:53:38. > :53:39.makes no sense. The capital spent on tried and has not come out of

:53:39. > :53:40.on tried and has not come out of on tried and has not come out of

:53:40. > :53:41.on tried and has not come out of the MoD budget. But it is all one

:53:41. > :53:44.the MoD budget. But it is all one the MoD budget. But it is all one

:53:44. > :53:47.the MoD budget. But it is all one big pot at the end of the day.

:53:47. > :53:48.big pot at the end of the day. big pot at the end of the day.

:53:48. > :53:49.Regarding capital spending, and a Regarding capital spending, and a

:53:49. > :53:50.potential independent Scotland, potential independent Scotland,

:53:50. > :53:51.potential independent Scotland, with the armed forces be bigger

:53:51. > :53:52.with the armed forces be bigger with the armed forces be bigger

:53:52. > :53:55.with the armed forces be bigger than they are now projected to be

:53:55. > :54:04.than they are now projected to be than they are now projected to be

:54:04. > :54:06.than they are now projected to be from the UK? Yes, absolute a bloke,

:54:06. > :54:12.from the UK? Yes, absolute a bloke, from the UK? Yes, absolute a bloke,

:54:12. > :54:14.from the UK? Yes, absolute a bloke, yes, absolutely. It is a record low.

:54:14. > :54:15.yes, absolutely. It is a record low. yes, absolutely. It is a record low.

:54:15. > :54:17.yes, absolutely. It is a record low. What we have seen today, in a

:54:17. > :54:19.What we have seen today, in a What we have seen today, in a

:54:19. > :54:20.document obtained by the Better document obtained by the Better

:54:20. > :54:21.document obtained by the Better Together Campaign, is what the SNP

:54:21. > :54:22.Together Campaign, is what the SNP Together Campaign, is what the SNP

:54:22. > :54:24.are saying in public and private are saying in public and private

:54:24. > :54:25.are saying in public and private are very different things. John

:54:25. > :54:27.are very different things. John are very different things. John

:54:27. > :54:32.Swinney's report to the Scottish Swinney's report to the Scottish

:54:32. > :54:33.Swinney's report to the Scottish cabinet states that the defence

:54:33. > :54:34.cabinet states that the defence cabinet states that the defence

:54:34. > :54:35.spending for a separate Scotland spending for a separate Scotland

:54:35. > :54:36.spending for a separate Scotland would have to be significantly

:54:36. > :54:38.would have to be significantly would have to be significantly

:54:38. > :54:39.would have to be significantly lower band is now spent in Scotland,

:54:39. > :54:39.lower band is now spent in Scotland, lower band is now spent in Scotland,

:54:39. > :54:45.lower band is now spent in Scotland, which is in black and white, for

:54:45. > :54:46.which is in black and white, for which is in black and white, for

:54:46. > :54:47.which is in black and white, for anyone to see. The SNP cannot state

:54:47. > :54:48.anyone to see. The SNP cannot state anyone to see. The SNP cannot state

:54:48. > :54:51.anyone to see. The SNP cannot state how they would pay for the claims

:54:51. > :54:53.how they would pay for the claims how they would pay for the claims

:54:53. > :54:53.they are making. Stewart Hosie, the they are making. Stewart Hosie, the

:54:54. > :54:55.they are making. Stewart Hosie, the accusation is that you figures do

:54:55. > :55:00.accusation is that you figures do accusation is that you figures do

:55:00. > :55:01.accusation is that you figures do not add up, and your own finance

:55:01. > :55:02.not add up, and your own finance not add up, and your own finance

:55:02. > :55:03.secretary says things do not look secretary says things do not look

:55:03. > :55:04.secretary says things do not look secretary says things do not look

:55:04. > :55:05.as rosy as they would like -- we as rosy as they would like -- we

:55:05. > :55:07.as rosy as they would like -- we as rosy as they would like -- we

:55:07. > :55:08.would like them to be. They are not would like them to be. They are not

:55:08. > :55:09.would like them to be. They are not perfect, but the current account

:55:09. > :55:12.perfect, but the current account perfect, but the current account

:55:12. > :55:12.deficit is one-third of the UK's. deficit is one-third of the UK's.

:55:12. > :55:13.deficit is one-third of the UK's. deficit is one-third of the UK's.

:55:13. > :55:15.We are in a far better position, We are in a far better position,

:55:15. > :55:18.We are in a far better position, and I am unlikely to believe

:55:18. > :55:23.and I am unlikely to believe and I am unlikely to believe

:55:23. > :55:24.anything that the Better Together anything that the Better Together

:55:24. > :55:25.anything that the Better Together Campaign published. It is in black

:55:25. > :55:26.Campaign published. It is in black Campaign published. It is in black

:55:26. > :55:31.Campaign published. It is in black and white. Have you not seen the

:55:31. > :55:32.and white. Have you not seen the and white. Have you not seen the

:55:32. > :55:36.and white. Have you not seen the report? Right, OK. We will end it

:55:36. > :55:36.I think anything to do with economics,

:55:36. > :55:36.economics, defence,

:55:36. > :55:36.I think anything to do with economics, defence, there

:55:36. > :55:37.economics, defence, there will

:55:37. > :55:37.I think anything to do with economics, defence, there will be

:55:37. > :55:37.economics, defence, there will be plenty

:55:37. > :55:37.plenty to

:55:37. > :55:37.economics, defence, there will be plenty to talk

:55:37. > :55:37.plenty to talk about

:55:37. > :55:38.economics, defence, there will be plenty to talk about it

:55:38. > :55:38.plenty to talk about it in

:55:38. > :55:38.economics, defence, there will be plenty to talk about it in Scotland.

:55:38. > :55:38.plenty to talk about it in Scotland. I

:55:38. > :55:39.I should

:55:39. > :55:39.plenty to talk about it in Scotland. I should just

:55:39. > :55:40.I should just point

:55:40. > :55:40.plenty to talk about it in Scotland. I should just point out

:55:40. > :55:40.I should just point out we

:55:40. > :55:41.plenty to talk about it in Scotland. I should just point out we asked

:55:41. > :55:41.I should just point out we asked a

:55:41. > :55:42.I should just point out we asked a representative

:55:42. > :55:42.representative of

:55:42. > :55:42.I should just point out we asked a representative of the

:55:42. > :55:42.representative of the UK

:55:42. > :55:42.I should just point out we asked a representative of the UK coalition

:55:42. > :55:43.representative of the UK coalition government

:55:43. > :55:43.government to

:55:43. > :55:43.representative of the UK coalition government to join

:55:43. > :55:44.government to join us,

:55:44. > :55:44.representative of the UK coalition government to join us, but

:55:44. > :55:44.government to join us, but they

:55:44. > :55:45.government to join us, but they were

:55:45. > :55:45.were unable

:55:45. > :55:45.government to join us, but they were unable to

:55:45. > :55:45.were unable to put

:55:45. > :55:46.government to join us, but they were unable to put anyone

:55:46. > :55:46.were unable to put anyone up

:55:46. > :55:46.government to join us, but they were unable to put anyone up for

:55:46. > :55:50.were unable to put anyone up for discussion.

:55:50. > :55:50.discussion. 4th

:55:50. > :55:50.4th let

:55:50. > :55:50.discussion. 4th let us

:55:50. > :55:50.4th let us get

:55:51. > :55:51.discussion. 4th let us get some

:55:51. > :55:52.4th let us get some final

:55:52. > :55:52.discussion. 4th let us get some final thoughts

:55:52. > :55:53.4th let us get some final thoughts in

:55:53. > :55:53.in the

:55:53. > :55:53.4th let us get some final thoughts in the company

:55:53. > :55:53.in the company of

:55:53. > :55:53.4th let us get some final thoughts in the company of Bill

:55:53. > :55:54.in the company of Bill Jamieson,

:55:54. > :55:55.4th let us get some final thoughts in the company of Bill Jamieson, a

:55:55. > :55:56.in the company of Bill Jamieson, a commentator

:55:56. > :55:56.commentator for

:55:56. > :55:56.in the company of Bill Jamieson, a commentator for the

:55:56. > :55:57.commentator for the day.

:55:57. > :55:57.in the company of Bill Jamieson, a commentator for the day. We

:55:57. > :55:58.commentator for the day. We saw

:55:58. > :55:58.in the company of Bill Jamieson, a commentator for the day. We saw the

:55:58. > :55:58.commentator for the day. We saw the debate

:55:58. > :55:58.debate in

:55:58. > :55:59.commentator for the day. We saw the debate in Parliament,

:55:59. > :55:59.debate in Parliament, a

:55:59. > :56:00.commentator for the day. We saw the debate in Parliament, a slightly

:56:00. > :56:00.debate in Parliament, a slightly bizarre

:56:00. > :56:01.bizarre debate.

:56:02. > :56:02.debate in Parliament, a slightly bizarre debate. The

:56:02. > :56:02.bizarre debate. The Defence

:56:02. > :56:02.bizarre debate. The Defence Minister

:56:02. > :56:05.Minister was

:56:05. > :56:05.bizarre debate. The Defence Minister was leading

:56:05. > :56:10.Minister was leading it.

:56:10. > :56:10.bizarre debate. The Defence Minister was leading it. It

:56:10. > :56:10.Minister was leading it. It is

:56:10. > :56:11.bizarre debate. The Defence Minister was leading it. It is a

:56:11. > :56:11.Minister was leading it. It is a bit

:56:11. > :56:12.bit tricky

:56:12. > :56:12.Minister was leading it. It is a bit tricky for

:56:12. > :56:12.bit tricky for the

:56:12. > :56:12.Minister was leading it. It is a bit tricky for the UK

:56:12. > :56:12.bit tricky for the UK coalition

:56:12. > :56:13.bit tricky for the UK coalition government,

:56:13. > :56:14.government, they

:56:14. > :56:14.bit tricky for the UK coalition government, they promised

:56:14. > :56:14.government, they promised 7,000

:56:14. > :56:15.government, they promised 7,000 more

:56:15. > :56:15.more troops,

:56:15. > :56:15.government, they promised 7,000 more troops, and

:56:15. > :56:16.more troops, and have

:56:16. > :56:16.government, they promised 7,000 more troops, and have delivered

:56:16. > :56:17.more troops, and have delivered 600.

:56:17. > :56:18.more troops, and have delivered 600. You

:56:18. > :56:18.You cannot

:56:18. > :56:19.more troops, and have delivered 600. You cannot help

:56:19. > :56:19.You cannot help but

:56:19. > :56:19.more troops, and have delivered 600. You cannot help but feel,

:56:19. > :56:20.You cannot help but feel, listening

:56:20. > :56:20.You cannot help but feel, listening to

:56:20. > :56:20.to this

:56:20. > :56:22.You cannot help but feel, listening to this debate,

:56:22. > :56:22.to this debate, that

:56:22. > :56:22.You cannot help but feel, listening to this debate, that this

:56:22. > :56:22.to this debate, that this is

:56:22. > :56:23.You cannot help but feel, listening to this debate, that this is no

:56:23. > :56:23.to this debate, that this is no way

:56:23. > :56:23.to this debate, that this is no way to

:56:23. > :56:23.to run

:56:23. > :56:23.to this debate, that this is no way to run an

:56:23. > :56:24.to run an army.

:56:24. > :56:24.to this debate, that this is no way to run an army. If

:56:24. > :56:25.to run an army. If you

:56:25. > :56:25.to this debate, that this is no way to run an army. If you look

:56:25. > :56:25.to run an army. If you look at

:56:25. > :56:26.to this debate, that this is no way to run an army. If you look at the

:56:26. > :56:26.to run an army. If you look at the destruction

:56:26. > :56:27.destruction and

:56:27. > :56:27.to run an army. If you look at the destruction and dislocation

:56:27. > :56:27.destruction and dislocation for

:56:28. > :56:28.to run an army. If you look at the destruction and dislocation for the

:56:28. > :56:28.destruction and dislocation for the armed

:56:28. > :56:28.armed personnel

:56:28. > :56:29.destruction and dislocation for the armed personnel involved,

:56:29. > :56:30.armed personnel involved, soldiers

:56:30. > :56:30.armed personnel involved, soldiers involved,

:56:30. > :56:31.involved, and

:56:31. > :56:31.armed personnel involved, soldiers involved, and their

:56:31. > :56:31.involved, and their families,

:56:31. > :56:32.armed personnel involved, soldiers involved, and their families, and

:56:32. > :56:33.involved, and their families, and the

:56:33. > :56:33.the local

:56:33. > :56:34.involved, and their families, and the local communities,

:56:34. > :56:34.the local communities, to

:56:34. > :56:35.involved, and their families, and the local communities, to move

:56:35. > :56:35.the local communities, to move from

:56:35. > :56:35.the local communities, to move from what

:56:35. > :56:36.what Liam

:56:36. > :56:36.the local communities, to move from what Liam Fox

:56:36. > :56:36.what Liam Fox had

:56:36. > :56:36.the local communities, to move from what Liam Fox had outlined,

:56:36. > :56:37.what Liam Fox had outlined, to

:56:37. > :56:37.what Liam Fox had outlined, to where

:56:37. > :56:37.where we

:56:37. > :56:37.what Liam Fox had outlined, to where we are

:56:37. > :56:38.where we are now,

:56:38. > :56:38.what Liam Fox had outlined, to where we are now, you

:56:38. > :56:38.where we are now, you get

:56:38. > :56:41.what Liam Fox had outlined, to where we are now, you get a

:56:41. > :56:41.where we are now, you get a sense

:56:41. > :56:42.where we are now, you get a sense of

:56:42. > :56:42.of almost

:56:42. > :56:42.where we are now, you get a sense of almost the

:56:42. > :56:43.of almost the MoD

:56:43. > :56:43.where we are now, you get a sense of almost the MoD making

:56:43. > :56:43.of almost the MoD making it

:56:43. > :56:43.where we are now, you get a sense of almost the MoD making it up

:56:43. > :56:43.of almost the MoD making it up on

:56:43. > :56:44.of almost the MoD making it up on the

:56:44. > :56:44.the hoof

:56:44. > :56:44.of almost the MoD making it up on the hoof to

:56:44. > :56:44.the hoof to make

:56:44. > :56:44.of almost the MoD making it up on the hoof to make numbers

:56:45. > :56:45.the hoof to make numbers work.

:56:45. > :56:46.of almost the MoD making it up on the hoof to make numbers work. This

:56:46. > :56:46.the hoof to make numbers work. This is

:56:46. > :56:46.is one

:56:46. > :56:46.the hoof to make numbers work. This is one of

:56:46. > :56:47.is one of the

:56:47. > :56:47.the hoof to make numbers work. This is one of the problems

:56:47. > :56:47.is one of the problems I

:56:47. > :56:47.the hoof to make numbers work. This is one of the problems I am

:56:47. > :56:48.is one of the problems I am sure

:56:48. > :56:49.is one of the problems I am sure that

:56:49. > :56:49.that afflicts

:56:49. > :56:50.is one of the problems I am sure that afflicts all

:56:50. > :56:51.that afflicts all spending

:56:51. > :56:52.that afflicts all spending departments

:56:52. > :56:52.departments that

:56:52. > :56:53.that afflicts all spending departments that are

:56:53. > :56:53.departments that are not

:56:53. > :56:53.that afflicts all spending departments that are not ring-

:56:53. > :56:54.departments that are not ring- fenced.

:56:54. > :56:55.fenced. How

:56:55. > :56:55.departments that are not ring- fenced. How lucky

:56:55. > :56:55.fenced. How lucky the

:56:55. > :56:55.departments that are not ring- fenced. How lucky the NHS

:56:55. > :56:58.fenced. How lucky the NHS is,

:56:58. > :56:59.departments that are not ring- fenced. How lucky the NHS is, and

:56:59. > :56:59.fenced. How lucky the NHS is, and other

:56:59. > :57:00.other departments

:57:00. > :57:00.fenced. How lucky the NHS is, and other departments which

:57:00. > :57:00.other departments which are

:57:00. > :57:00.fenced. How lucky the NHS is, and other departments which are ring-

:57:00. > :57:02.other departments which are ring- fenced.

:57:02. > :57:02.fenced. When

:57:02. > :57:03.other departments which are ring- fenced. When you're

:57:03. > :57:03.fenced. When you're not

:57:03. > :57:03.other departments which are ring- fenced. When you're not ring-fenced,

:57:03. > :57:04.fenced. When you're not ring-fenced, you

:57:04. > :57:05.you have

:57:05. > :57:05.fenced. When you're not ring-fenced, you have ACLE

:57:05. > :57:05.you have ACLE it

:57:05. > :57:05.fenced. When you're not ring-fenced, you have ACLE it --

:57:05. > :57:06.you have ACLE it -- a

:57:06. > :57:06.fenced. When you're not ring-fenced, you have ACLE it -- a continual

:57:06. > :57:07.you have ACLE it -- a continual slicing

:57:07. > :57:07.slicing of

:57:07. > :57:09.you have ACLE it -- a continual slicing of resources.

:57:09. > :57:09.slicing of resources. All

:57:09. > :57:09.you have ACLE it -- a continual slicing of resources. All of

:57:09. > :57:09.slicing of resources. All of the

:57:09. > :57:10.slicing of resources. All of the political

:57:10. > :57:10.political parties

:57:10. > :57:10.slicing of resources. All of the political parties have

:57:10. > :57:11.political parties have been

:57:11. > :57:11.slicing of resources. All of the political parties have been very

:57:11. > :57:11.political parties have been very went

:57:11. > :57:11.went up

:57:11. > :57:12.political parties have been very went up by

:57:12. > :57:12.went up by this.

:57:12. > :57:13.political parties have been very went up by this. It

:57:13. > :57:13.went up by this. It seems

:57:13. > :57:13.political parties have been very went up by this. It seems to

:57:13. > :57:14.went up by this. It seems to be

:57:14. > :57:14.political parties have been very went up by this. It seems to be a

:57:14. > :57:14.went up by this. It seems to be a very

:57:14. > :57:14.very emotive

:57:14. > :57:15.went up by this. It seems to be a very emotive subject.

:57:15. > :57:16.very emotive subject. Why

:57:16. > :57:16.went up by this. It seems to be a very emotive subject. Why is

:57:16. > :57:17.very emotive subject. Why is that?

:57:17. > :57:17.very emotive subject. Why is that? Do

:57:17. > :57:17.Do the

:57:17. > :57:19.very emotive subject. Why is that? Do the bases

:57:19. > :57:19.Do the bases have

:57:19. > :57:20.very emotive subject. Why is that? Do the bases have much

:57:20. > :57:22.Do the bases have much of

:57:22. > :57:23.very emotive subject. Why is that? Do the bases have much of an

:57:23. > :57:23.Do the bases have much of an economic

:57:23. > :57:24.economic impact

:57:24. > :57:24.Do the bases have much of an economic impact in

:57:24. > :57:24.economic impact in the

:57:24. > :57:24.Do the bases have much of an economic impact in the areas

:57:24. > :57:24.economic impact in the areas they

:57:24. > :57:25.economic impact in the areas they are

:57:25. > :57:26.are in?

:57:26. > :57:26.economic impact in the areas they are in? Scotland

:57:26. > :57:26.are in? Scotland has

:57:26. > :57:26.economic impact in the areas they are in? Scotland has always

:57:26. > :57:27.are in? Scotland has always taken

:57:27. > :57:32.are in? Scotland has always taken great

:57:32. > :57:32.great pride

:57:32. > :57:33.are in? Scotland has always taken great pride in

:57:33. > :57:34.great pride in the

:57:34. > :57:34.are in? Scotland has always taken great pride in the impact

:57:34. > :57:34.great pride in the impact we

:57:34. > :57:34.are in? Scotland has always taken great pride in the impact we making

:57:34. > :57:35.great pride in the impact we making the

:57:35. > :57:35.the armed

:57:35. > :57:35.great pride in the impact we making the armed forces,

:57:35. > :57:35.the armed forces, we

:57:35. > :57:36.great pride in the impact we making the armed forces, we are

:57:36. > :57:37.the armed forces, we are proud

:57:37. > :57:37.great pride in the impact we making the armed forces, we are proud of

:57:37. > :57:37.the armed forces, we are proud of the

:57:37. > :57:37.the regiments

:57:37. > :57:38.the armed forces, we are proud of the regiments and

:57:38. > :57:38.the regiments and the

:57:38. > :57:38.the armed forces, we are proud of the regiments and the contribution

:57:38. > :57:38.the regiments and the contribution that

:57:38. > :57:38.that they

:57:39. > :57:40.the regiments and the contribution that they make.

:57:40. > :57:41.that they make. That

:57:41. > :57:41.the regiments and the contribution that they make. That is

:57:41. > :57:41.that they make. That is embedded

:57:41. > :57:42.the regiments and the contribution that they make. That is embedded in

:57:42. > :57:43.that they make. That is embedded in us,

:57:43. > :57:43.us, in

:57:43. > :57:43.that they make. That is embedded in us, in our

:57:43. > :57:47.us, in our DNA.

:57:47. > :57:47.that they make. That is embedded in us, in our DNA. I

:57:47. > :57:47.us, in our DNA. I think

:57:48. > :57:48.that they make. That is embedded in us, in our DNA. I think it

:57:48. > :57:48.us, in our DNA. I think it does

:57:48. > :57:50.us, in our DNA. I think it does matter.

:57:50. > :57:50.matter. Even

:57:50. > :57:50.us, in our DNA. I think it does matter. Even if

:57:50. > :57:50.matter. Even if it

:57:50. > :57:51.us, in our DNA. I think it does matter. Even if it is

:57:51. > :57:51.matter. Even if it is a

:57:51. > :57:51.us, in our DNA. I think it does matter. Even if it is a loss

:57:51. > :57:51.matter. Even if it is a loss of

:57:51. > :57:53.matter. Even if it is a loss of 1,000

:57:53. > :57:53.1,000 people

:57:53. > :57:53.matter. Even if it is a loss of 1,000 people or

:57:53. > :57:53.1,000 people or so,

:57:53. > :57:55.matter. Even if it is a loss of 1,000 people or so, bad

:57:55. > :57:55.1,000 people or so, bad effects

:57:55. > :57:55.1,000 people or so, bad effects what

:57:55. > :57:56.what is

:57:56. > :57:56.1,000 people or so, bad effects what is going

:57:56. > :57:56.what is going to

:57:56. > :57:56.1,000 people or so, bad effects what is going to be

:57:56. > :57:57.what is going to be or

:57:57. > :57:57.1,000 people or so, bad effects what is going to be or not

:57:57. > :57:58.what is going to be or not be

:57:58. > :57:58.1,000 people or so, bad effects what is going to be or not be on

:57:58. > :57:58.what is going to be or not be on the

:57:58. > :57:58.the high

:57:58. > :57:59.what is going to be or not be on the high street,

:57:59. > :57:59.the high street, what

:57:59. > :58:00.what is going to be or not be on the high street, what sort

:58:00. > :58:00.the high street, what sort of

:58:00. > :58:00.the high street, what sort of services

:58:00. > :58:00.services will

:58:00. > :58:00.the high street, what sort of services will be

:58:01. > :58:01.services will be provided.

:58:01. > :58:01.the high street, what sort of services will be provided. It

:58:01. > :58:01.services will be provided. It is

:58:01. > :58:01.the high street, what sort of services will be provided. It is a

:58:01. > :58:02.services will be provided. It is a very

:58:02. > :58:02.very depressing

:58:02. > :58:03.services will be provided. It is a very depressing effect

:58:03. > :58:03.very depressing effect it

:58:03. > :58:03.services will be provided. It is a very depressing effect it if

:58:03. > :58:03.very depressing effect it if you

:58:03. > :58:04.very depressing effect it if you are

:58:04. > :58:04.are told

:58:04. > :58:04.very depressing effect it if you are told you

:58:04. > :58:04.are told you are

:58:04. > :58:04.very depressing effect it if you are told you are not

:58:04. > :58:05.are told you are not going

:58:05. > :58:05.very depressing effect it if you are told you are not going to

:58:05. > :58:05.are told you are not going to have

:58:05. > :58:05.are told you are not going to have anything

:58:05. > :58:05.anything like

:58:05. > :58:06.are told you are not going to have anything like the

:58:06. > :58:06.anything like the numbers

:58:06. > :58:06.are told you are not going to have anything like the numbers you

:58:06. > :58:06.anything like the numbers you thought

:58:06. > :58:06.thought were

:58:06. > :58:08.anything like the numbers you thought were coming.

:58:08. > :58:08.thought were coming. Do

:58:08. > :58:08.anything like the numbers you thought were coming. Do the

:58:08. > :58:09.thought were coming. Do the UK

:58:09. > :58:09.thought were coming. Do the UK government

:58:09. > :58:10.government hold

:58:10. > :58:10.thought were coming. Do the UK government hold themselves

:58:10. > :58:10.government hold themselves to

:58:10. > :58:11.government hold themselves to fortune,

:58:11. > :58:11.fortune, saying

:58:11. > :58:11.government hold themselves to fortune, saying they

:58:11. > :58:11.fortune, saying they were

:58:11. > :58:11.government hold themselves to fortune, saying they were going

:58:11. > :58:12.fortune, saying they were going to

:58:12. > :58:13.fortune, saying they were going to give

:58:13. > :58:14.give 7,000?

:58:14. > :58:14.fortune, saying they were going to give 7,000? Yes,

:58:15. > :58:15.give 7,000? Yes, they

:58:15. > :58:17.fortune, saying they were going to give 7,000? Yes, they did.

:58:17. > :58:18.give 7,000? Yes, they did. One

:58:18. > :58:18.One other

:58:18. > :58:23.give 7,000? Yes, they did. One other thing,

:58:23. > :58:23.One other thing, it

:58:23. > :58:24.give 7,000? Yes, they did. One other thing, it has

:58:24. > :58:24.One other thing, it has been

:58:24. > :58:24.give 7,000? Yes, they did. One other thing, it has been a

:58:24. > :58:25.One other thing, it has been a pretty

:58:25. > :58:25.pretty interesting

:58:25. > :58:25.One other thing, it has been a pretty interesting argument

:58:25. > :58:26.pretty interesting argument on

:58:26. > :58:27.One other thing, it has been a pretty interesting argument on this.

:58:27. > :58:28.pretty interesting argument on this. Indeed,

:58:28. > :58:28.Indeed, and

:58:28. > :58:28.pretty interesting argument on this. Indeed, and it

:58:28. > :58:29.Indeed, and it is

:58:29. > :58:29.pretty interesting argument on this. Indeed, and it is only

:58:29. > :58:29.Indeed, and it is only the

:58:29. > :58:29.pretty interesting argument on this. Indeed, and it is only the start.

:58:29. > :58:30.Indeed, and it is only the start. It

:58:30. > :58:30.It is

:58:30. > :58:30.Indeed, and it is only the start. It is a

:58:30. > :58:30.It is a very

:58:30. > :58:31.Indeed, and it is only the start. It is a very complex

:58:31. > :58:31.It is a very complex document,

:58:31. > :58:32.Indeed, and it is only the start. It is a very complex document, and

:58:32. > :58:32.It is a very complex document, and once

:58:32. > :58:33.once people

:58:33. > :58:33.It is a very complex document, and once people start

:58:33. > :58:33.once people start going

:58:33. > :58:34.It is a very complex document, and once people start going into

:58:34. > :58:34.once people start going into it,

:58:34. > :58:34.once people start going into it, there

:58:34. > :58:34.there will

:58:34. > :58:34.once people start going into it, there will be

:58:35. > :58:35.there will be much

:58:35. > :58:35.once people start going into it, there will be much more

:58:35. > :58:35.there will be much more coming

:58:35. > :58:37.once people start going into it, there will be much more coming out.

:58:37. > :58:37.there will be much more coming out. Thank

:58:37. > :58:37.Thank you

:58:37. > :58:37.there will be much more coming out. Thank you very

:58:37. > :58:39.Thank you very much.

:58:39. > :58:39.there will be much more coming out. Thank you very much. That

:58:39. > :58:39.Thank you very much. That is

:58:39. > :58:40.there will be much more coming out. Thank you very much. That is all

:58:40. > :58:40.Thank you very much. That is all we

:58:40. > :58:40.Thank you very much. That is all we have

:58:40. > :58:40.have got

:58:40. > :58:41.Thank you very much. That is all we have got time.

:58:41. > :58:41.have got time. We

:58:41. > :58:42.Thank you very much. That is all we have got time. We are

:58:42. > :58:42.have got time. We are back

:58:42. > :58:42.Thank you very much. That is all we have got time. We are back at

:58:42. > :58:42.have got time. We are back at the

:58:42. > :58:42.have got time. We are back at the same

:58:42. > :58:43.same time

:58:43. > :58:43.have got time. We are back at the same time next

:58:43. > :58:45.same time next week.

:58:45. > :58:45.have got time. We are back at the same time next week. If

:58:45. > :58:45.same time next week. If you

:58:45. > :58:47.have got time. We are back at the same time next week. If you can,

:58:47. > :58:47.same time next week. If you can, join

:58:47. > :58:47.join me

:58:47. > :58:47.same time next week. If you can, join me at

:58:47. > :58:48.join me at the

:58:48. > :58:48.same time next week. If you can, join me at the weekend

:58:48. > :58:48.join me at the weekend for

:58:48. > :58:48.same time next week. If you can, join me at the weekend for Sunday

:58:49. > :58:49.join me at the weekend for Sunday Politics

:58:49. > :58:50.Politics Scotland.

:58:50. > :58:50.join me at the weekend for Sunday Politics Scotland. Thank

:58:50. > :58:50.Politics Scotland. Thank you

:58:50. > :58:50.join me at the weekend for Sunday Politics Scotland. Thank you for

:58:50. > :58:51.Politics Scotland. Thank you for your

:58:51. > :58:51.your company.