:00:19. > :00:23.We are back, welcome to Holyrood for the first First Minister's
:00:23. > :00:27.Questions of the first session. The UK government is going to try again
:00:27. > :00:31.to answer the West Lothian question through the commission. Evidence is
:00:31. > :00:35.being given about the Scotland Bill, new powers for Holyrood. The big
:00:35. > :00:42.one for this programme is questions to the first minister. Let's cost
:00:42. > :00:48.to the Chamber. -- cross. Welcome back to the Chamber of the
:00:48. > :00:51.Scottish Parliament. Still settling back after the election. Lots of
:00:51. > :00:56.new faces and some are familiar faces. Iain Gray and Annabel Goldie
:00:56. > :00:59.will be asking the questions today on behalf of their parties. They
:00:59. > :01:04.both said they are going to stand down in the search for their
:01:04. > :01:11.successors. It looks as though we are about to get started with Iain
:01:11. > :01:16.Gray to ask the first question. We now move to First Minister's
:01:16. > :01:21.Questions, Question Number 1, Iain Gray. Can I ask the first Mr what
:01:21. > :01:25.engagement he has planned for the rest of the day? -- Minister.
:01:25. > :01:30.meeting with the finance secretary to discuss amongst other things the
:01:30. > :01:36.job-creating powers we need adding to the Scotland Bill. I will be
:01:36. > :01:40.discussing the analysis at 9:30am this morning that shows over the
:01:40. > :01:45.next 20 years, a reduction in corporation tax of just 3% that
:01:45. > :01:50.would boost Scotland's GDP by 4% and raise investment in the
:01:50. > :01:55.Scottish economy and lead to an increase of 27,000 jobs in Scotland.
:01:55. > :01:59.I am sure when Iain Gray decides to read that analysis, he will, like
:01:59. > :02:02.his predecessor Wendy Alexander would have done, welcome the idea
:02:02. > :02:07.that this Parliament should have access to these sort of job-
:02:07. > :02:12.creating powers. Iain Gray. The presiding officer, we would
:02:12. > :02:16.certainly welcome debate on the future of Scotland. In 2009, the
:02:16. > :02:21.first minister said the people of Scotland were ready to have their
:02:21. > :02:30.say on separation. Now he is scared to hat -- let them have their say
:02:30. > :02:33.because he is scared of the answer. Isn't that the simple truth? As he
:02:33. > :02:38.prepares for his imminent retirement... I don't know if it is
:02:38. > :02:40.imminent, actually, but as he prepares, he obviously hasn't had a
:02:40. > :02:46.chance to let that beat opinion polls in terms of the
:02:46. > :02:50.constitutional question and substantial movement. He will
:02:50. > :02:53.remember the election campaign, I know he will, because he spent the
:02:53. > :02:57.first 20 minutes of his speech yesterday talking about it but he
:02:57. > :03:01.will remember when we clearly set out, during that campaign, not
:03:01. > :03:04.least the leadership debate in Perth, that the Scotland Bill
:03:04. > :03:08.legislation and job-creating powers was the immediate constitutional
:03:08. > :03:12.priority and the referendum Bill would be in the second half of this
:03:12. > :03:18.parliamentary term. Surely Iain Gray wouldn't want me to go back on
:03:18. > :03:22.a clear commitment to the Scottish people. Iain Gray. What I don't
:03:22. > :03:26.understand is why he goes back on a clear commitment he made in 2009.
:03:26. > :03:31.Actually, I do, because the answer lies in the opinion poll which
:03:31. > :03:36.shows that 60% of Scots reject his vision of this kit -- future of
:03:37. > :03:41.Scotland. And you know, it wouldn't matter if the First Minister's
:03:41. > :03:48.ducking and diving wasn't a damaging Scotland. But last week,
:03:48. > :03:55.the CBI said that it is, it is damaging business confidence. Yes.
:03:55. > :04:03.Yes. These are the people who create wealth and jobs, and the
:04:03. > :04:07.first minister told them they should not blundered into politics.
:04:07. > :04:15.Is this Alex Salmond's Scotland? Is this his independence debate? Agree
:04:15. > :04:20.with me or shut up? Can I remind Iain Gray of a bit of recent
:04:20. > :04:25.history. 2009, that was the time that this Labour party in
:04:25. > :04:29.parliament blocked the referendum Bill. 2011 is this year, when we
:04:29. > :04:33.stood for election and won a resounding majority. Now, if, of
:04:33. > :04:37.course, having won that a resounding majority, we had gone
:04:37. > :04:41.back on what we said that during that election campaign, Iain Gray
:04:41. > :04:47.would be saying it, you have gone back on the election campaign, you
:04:47. > :04:50.are not making jobs the priority! He would be in the same ridiculous
:04:50. > :04:55.position as Michael Moore, who in the same speech said we should be
:04:55. > :05:02.concentrating on our own powers and then demanded answers on
:05:02. > :05:06.independence in the self-same speech acts Mark --! On people who
:05:06. > :05:13.do create jobs in Scotland, can I point out to Iain Gray, the recent
:05:14. > :05:19.announcements from Amazon, Ryanair, easyJet, Tesco bank, Virgin money,
:05:19. > :05:23.Blackrock, Mitsubishi, all companies creating jobs partly
:05:23. > :05:32.thanks to the policies of this government. All of which have
:05:32. > :05:37.confidence in the economic future of Scotland. Let's look at recent
:05:37. > :05:41.history on this. In 2007, when my predecessor Wendy Alexander said
:05:41. > :05:48.she wouldn't block a referendum, the First Minister wouldn't have
:05:48. > :05:52.won. In 2009, when he knew he couldn't have one, he wanted one.
:05:52. > :05:58.And in 2011, when he can have one, he is not going to have it again.
:05:58. > :06:02.That is the recent history on this question. It is not just the CBI,
:06:02. > :06:10.even the First Minister's personal PR outlet, the Scottish Sun, says
:06:10. > :06:20.this morning... It says this morning that the First Minister
:06:20. > :06:23.should get on with it. They agree with the CBI. So is the first
:06:23. > :06:29.minister going to give them the same answer? Is he going to drop a
:06:29. > :06:35.note to his pen-pal Rupert Murdoch's showing -- telling him
:06:35. > :06:39.that he should and blunder into politics? -- shouldn't. I honestly
:06:39. > :06:45.don't think the Labour Party and Rupert Murdoch is the strongest
:06:45. > :06:49.line of questioning. I have to say, I am touched of caused by these
:06:49. > :06:53.newspapers which are brought into this chamber. -- of course. At some
:06:53. > :06:58.point, Iain Gray will go online and he won't have to hold copies of
:06:58. > :07:02.newspapers. Can I say to Iain Gray, we said clearly in the election
:07:02. > :07:08.campaign that we had a fundamental priority on jobs in this economy at
:07:08. > :07:12.the present moment. That is a fundamental priority. Iain Gray
:07:12. > :07:18.took 21 minutes yesterday to mention the economy and jobs in his
:07:18. > :07:25.speech. Secondly, we said that the priority in the constitution was to
:07:25. > :07:27.create a job -- get job-creating powers into the Scotland Bill. We
:07:27. > :07:31.said the independence referendum will take place in the second half
:07:31. > :07:34.of this parliamentary term and that is what we will do. I think going
:07:34. > :07:41.back through the history is not particularly comforting for Iain
:07:41. > :07:45.Gray. As I remember a response to Wendy Alexander's declaration, when
:07:45. > :07:50.Iain Gray had his speaking Portuguese interview, as he tried
:07:50. > :07:54.to explain the contortions of Labour's position. And when Wendy
:07:54. > :07:58.was removed as leader, Iain Gray came in and immediately reversed if
:07:58. > :08:03.they policy. I think rather than take lessons in political strategy
:08:03. > :08:12.from Iain Gray, we will stand on a policy which run us such a
:08:12. > :08:17.resounding victory in this here's collection -- one us. -- won us a
:08:17. > :08:21.resounding victory in this here's election. I am interested when he
:08:21. > :08:26.takes lessons in political strategy from. Sometimes it can be
:08:26. > :08:32.surprising. A friend went to a fortune teller in Dundee last week
:08:32. > :08:38.and displayed on a caravan was a photo of a celebrity client, Alex
:08:38. > :08:46.Salmond. So maybe we should ask a fortune teller when the referendum
:08:46. > :08:52.is going to be? Because the First Minister doesn't seem to know. And
:08:53. > :09:01.by the way... Banned by the way... -- and by the way. If anybody would
:09:01. > :09:06.like their fortune told, if you ask how much it tears -- it is for a
:09:06. > :09:11.reading it, the answer you get is, you can never tell, it might be a
:09:11. > :09:16.five-hour, it might be 30 quid. Isn't that exactly the First
:09:16. > :09:22.Minister's plan for separatism? Say yes first and then I will tell you
:09:22. > :09:30.how much it costs. The strategy of the snake oil salesmen down the
:09:30. > :09:35.ages. I recognise the fortune teller's name, she is a regular
:09:35. > :09:45.attendee in my constituency. And I visited her stall in 2006 and she
:09:45. > :09:46.
:09:46. > :09:53.said the SNP would when election... -- would win. And it came to pass
:09:53. > :09:59.a! I didn't even have to give her any money. Now I am going to make a
:09:59. > :10:04.return visit. And I am going to ask her the most difficult question in
:10:04. > :10:14.Scottish politics. Not who is going to be the next Labour leader, and
:10:14. > :10:15.
:10:15. > :10:19.but when is the contest going to be? Annabel Goldie? I would ask the
:10:19. > :10:23.first minister when he will next meet this Secretary of State for
:10:23. > :10:27.Scotland. I am meeting with the Secretary of State for Scotland
:10:27. > :10:35.this very afternoon but I am looking forward to meeting with
:10:35. > :10:40.Professor Joseph Stiglitz, who as - - who has today accepted Mike at --
:10:40. > :10:44.invitation to join Scott Lamb's board of economic advisers. I am
:10:44. > :10:48.sure when Annabel Goldie find out who he is, she will welcome the
:10:48. > :10:54.fact that one of the world's finest economic minds is putting his
:10:54. > :10:57.services at Scotland's disposal. Presiding Officer, yesterday, the
:10:57. > :11:01.First Minister in his statement told us that we must move away from
:11:01. > :11:05.the European model of deficit driven States. Of course, the
:11:05. > :11:09.European states with the biggest deficit problems are in the euro-
:11:09. > :11:13.zone. There are masses of unanswered questions about the
:11:13. > :11:20.independence plans, but let me pick one, the currency, which I hope he
:11:20. > :11:24.can answer without reference to fortune tellers. If he gets his way,
:11:24. > :11:34.what is his personal preference? Is it the British pound or is it the
:11:34. > :11:44.euro? I can do better than that, I can just ask Annabel, in York
:11:44. > :11:46.
:11:46. > :11:51.Scotland, You'll Voice, -- your Scotland, your voice. She said it
:11:51. > :11:57.in there. The last thing the Conservative Party want to do at
:11:57. > :12:00.the moment is you read newspapers already documents, and I also know
:12:00. > :12:04.that Annabel Goldie, that when I spoke to her, I thought it will be
:12:04. > :12:07.the last time she would ask me the question, I now understand it will
:12:07. > :12:12.be the last time any Conservative asks me a question in this
:12:12. > :12:16.Parliament. It says we should stay in the sterling area until the
:12:16. > :12:21.Scottish people say we should do otherwise. It seems a pretty clear
:12:21. > :12:28.answer and I hope Annabel Goldie will excepted. It seems to be
:12:28. > :12:30.anything but clear. -- well accepted. Yesterday, he was
:12:30. > :12:35.commending to Scotland certain policies and certain objectives,
:12:35. > :12:38.not least independence. Let's get this straight, this is a first
:12:38. > :12:42.minister who wants independence but won't tell us the date of a
:12:42. > :12:48.referendum or the question to be asked. Now he personally doesn't
:12:48. > :12:53.know what currency he once if he wins. This leopard has got some
:12:53. > :12:58.spots. As First Minister, he has rushed to the airways, Radio
:12:58. > :13:02.Scotland, a radio Catalan, in which he denigrated the British pound and
:13:02. > :13:07.praised the euro. Let me ask him again. Does he personally wanted
:13:07. > :13:11.the British pound or does he want to the euro? -- want. He cannot
:13:11. > :13:18.duck questions on independence forever. This is one question he
:13:18. > :13:22.can answer, so what is his answer? "from the document so Annabel
:13:22. > :13:28.Goldie can scrutinise it, because obviously she cannot have read it -
:13:28. > :13:33.- I will speak. Choosing the currency best suited to the needs
:13:33. > :13:37.of the Scottish economy, Scotland will carry on operating from the
:13:37. > :13:39.sterling until it says the people of Scotland and for a referendum
:13:39. > :13:45.when the economic situation is correct. It is a pretty clear
:13:45. > :13:49.statement. In comparison with the Conservative's party's convulsions
:13:49. > :13:53.on these issues... When I was in the House of Commons, Ken Clarke
:13:53. > :13:58.was the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Labour Party's contortions
:13:58. > :14:03.on this issue, which have reversed so many times, that is a very clear
:14:03. > :14:08.statement of position. What I want to know is when we have our new
:14:08. > :14:13.Conservative Party after the current one has disbanded, will the
:14:13. > :14:18.policy is actually changed all will it be the same old stuff under a
:14:18. > :14:27.different banner -- Policies? I asked the question because I got
:14:27. > :14:34.some insight... I draw attention to the answer, when I saw Jeremy
:14:34. > :14:39.Paxman interviewing the new, perhaps, leader of power, perhaps,
:14:39. > :14:43.that party in Scotland. Most people won't have seen it, because it was
:14:43. > :14:48.only shown in England, but nonetheless, the answer to the
:14:48. > :14:51.Conservative Party's problems with being not fit for purpose, no
:14:51. > :14:56.future, Adapt or date -- adapt or die, may be contained in that
:14:56. > :15:06.interview. I would say it takes more than a change of name or a
:15:06. > :15:09.
:15:09. > :15:16.change of leader to give any chance One of the welcome consequences of
:15:16. > :15:20.my a condition he is that I am responsible for what matters of the
:15:20. > :15:25.present and raising these for the future I leave to others. It is
:15:25. > :15:31.clear to me that, rather than answer important basic questions,
:15:31. > :15:36.he would run for cover and bring in all other matters of distraction to
:15:36. > :15:44.disguise the basic point that this man who wants this country to be
:15:44. > :15:50.independent doesn't even know what currency it will have. I say that
:15:50. > :15:55.it is therefore Annabel Goldie to read on page 31 of this document
:15:55. > :16:00.published 18 months ago. The last thing that Annabel Goldie wants to
:16:00. > :16:05.talk about is the future election of her party but it is a perfectly
:16:05. > :16:11.legitimate response to look upon the agonies and uncertainty of her
:16:11. > :16:16.party because, after all, if they had the right policies towards
:16:16. > :16:22.Scotland at the right attitude, Annabel Goldie would be unleashed
:16:22. > :16:25.in this space as opposed to being unleashed in that space. Can I say
:16:25. > :16:34.in all friendly nurse, I always thought she was unleashed before
:16:34. > :16:44.she was standing down as party leader. Supplementary, Sandro white.
:16:44. > :16:47.
:16:48. > :16:56.Thank you. To raise parking fees which will have a severe impact on
:16:56. > :17:00.workers at the hospital. I know the member will appreciate that PFI
:17:00. > :17:06.contract under which these charges were introduced and which these
:17:06. > :17:11.charges were contained was, unfortunately, signed by the last
:17:11. > :17:16.Labour administration. Much as we would have liked to adopt the same
:17:16. > :17:19.policy to was the PFI contracts as we did to the vast majority of
:17:19. > :17:23.National Health Service hospitals under our control, it is not
:17:23. > :17:30.possible to do that without substantial expense on the public
:17:30. > :17:36.Exchequer. It would have been great if when the great -- negotiating
:17:36. > :17:45.PFI contracts, the last administration had paid an iota of
:17:45. > :17:48.concentration on the care of patients and the public. To ask the
:17:48. > :17:57.First Minister what issues will be discussed at the first meeting of
:17:57. > :18:01.the Cabinet. Issues important to the people of Scotland. An array go,
:18:01. > :18:05.the safety committee advised that the lifetime ban on gay men
:18:05. > :18:13.donating blood should be rescinded. What would the first minister do to
:18:14. > :18:17.respond to that report? There is a news release which gives our
:18:17. > :18:23.response in which we accept the recommendations with the protection
:18:23. > :18:27.that the committee recommends a term of timescale. It is not the
:18:27. > :18:33.full equality that many of us have campaigned for but it is a start.
:18:33. > :18:37.Similar bans have been relaxed in Australia, South Africa, Japan and
:18:37. > :18:42.Sweden and the Scottish Blood transfusion Service is committed to
:18:42. > :18:48.finding 65,000 more donors in the next year. The sooner the changes
:18:48. > :18:53.adopted the sooner the service can add 100,000 patients. This would
:18:53. > :18:56.save lives. Will the First Minister personally promote this change and
:18:57. > :19:04.encourage more people to donate blood, whatever sexuality they
:19:04. > :19:07.have? The answer to the last part is certainly yes. Can I say that
:19:07. > :19:15.when we accepted the recommendation, the recommendation was to end the
:19:15. > :19:18.lifetime ban on gay men giving blood. An expert committee
:19:18. > :19:22.recommended some safeguards in terms of public safety and I don't
:19:22. > :19:28.think any responsible government would not accept those
:19:28. > :19:31.recommendations as well. In the response the government made, we
:19:32. > :19:38.make -- take the matter extremely seriously and welcome that progress
:19:38. > :19:43.is being made. We have to go by the expert advice in terms of
:19:43. > :19:53.protections. As for people giving blood and advocating that, almost
:19:53. > :20:01.certainly. To ask the First Minister, in light of the reported
:20:01. > :20:09.discovery of -- dogmas relating to Gaddafi's linked to US intelligence
:20:09. > :20:18.services, is there any access or information relating to the Pan Am
:20:18. > :20:22.flight 103 over Lockerbie? This is a case concerning the atrocity
:20:22. > :20:30.which killed 270 people. The Crown Office will come -- pursue lines of
:20:30. > :20:36.inquiry as they become available. The First Minister is aware that I
:20:36. > :20:40.believe the conviction is not secured and whilst welcoming the
:20:40. > :20:46.legislation to facilitate publication of reports and
:20:46. > :20:52.abandoned cases such as Lockerbie, can he advise that this is an open
:20:52. > :20:54.case and, therefore, is the Crown Office in contact with the National
:20:54. > :20:58.Transitional Council in Libya to ensure preservation of
:20:58. > :21:02.documentation that may relate to that atrocity and in the interests
:21:03. > :21:08.of justice, what steps will be taken to secure delivery to
:21:08. > :21:14.Scotland if such evidence exists? am pleased that she welcomes our
:21:14. > :21:21.intention to publish the full statement of reasons to the court.
:21:21. > :21:26.We should do our absolute best to facilitate this being done because
:21:26. > :21:35.it has a substantial and detail within it which may shed some light
:21:35. > :21:39.on the thinking went them case was referred to the Court of Appeal. In
:21:39. > :21:49.the contact we have had with the National Transitional Council, we
:21:49. > :21:51.
:21:51. > :21:58.made two things clear. Abdul Al- Megrahi is in compliance with his
:21:58. > :22:03.conditions. This is an open investigation and the Crown Office
:22:04. > :22:08.and the police continue to pursue any lines of inquiry that may arise.
:22:08. > :22:12.That refers to the protection of any evidence that should shed light
:22:12. > :22:16.on this issue. The National Transitional Council have indicated
:22:16. > :22:20.their willingness to maintain contact on this issue. They made
:22:20. > :22:24.the reasonable point that their immediate focus in Libya is in
:22:24. > :22:31.restoring civil order and rebuilding services as the current
:22:31. > :22:37.conflict draws to a close, Hong -- at least. With reference to the
:22:37. > :22:40.discovery of documents relating to the corporation between Colonel
:22:40. > :22:44.Gaddafi's intelligence services and the British intelligence service in
:22:44. > :22:49.Tripoli, will the Scottish government investigate the illegal
:22:49. > :22:54.use of Scottish airports in the illegal rendition flights. Apart
:22:54. > :22:59.from anything else, the regime in the Middle East are changing and we
:22:59. > :23:03.have an interest in ensuring that incoming Arab governments realise
:23:03. > :23:07.they can expect a better deal from Scottish Government's than they got
:23:07. > :23:12.from Westminster. I will ask the justice Secretary to have a further
:23:12. > :23:17.look at this. And the last Parliament, we had a look with the
:23:17. > :23:21.lord advocate on the question of illegal rendition and Scottish
:23:21. > :23:26.airports being used. I will ask the justice Secretary to have another
:23:26. > :23:31.look at that. In terms of the documents that have come to light,
:23:31. > :23:36.it is no secret for the Scottish government that the last Labour
:23:36. > :23:44.government wanted by any means to seek Mr Megrahi released back to
:23:44. > :23:48.Libya. What I can say is, as I had no knowledge of the extent of the
:23:48. > :23:55.corporation that these documents seemed to indicate, if they are
:23:55. > :23:58.true - I confirm it is a row of -- most remarkable case of double
:23:58. > :24:03.standards or no standards that I have seen in international politics.
:24:03. > :24:10.All I can say is that the Scottish government took his decisions on
:24:10. > :24:13.the basis of due process in Scottish law. To ask the First
:24:13. > :24:16.Minister what agreement the Scottish government has made with
:24:16. > :24:22.universities regarding access arrangements for students from the
:24:22. > :24:28.rest of the UK? No student attending a Scottish university
:24:28. > :24:32.should pay fees. However, with the misguided decision by the UK
:24:32. > :24:40.government to introduce tuition fees of up to �9,000, there has to
:24:40. > :24:47.be comparable fees charged to UK students attending Scottish
:24:47. > :24:50.universities. Can I thank the First Minister for his reply, but can I
:24:50. > :24:55.remind him that when the First Minister's colleague introduced
:24:55. > :25:00.9000 pan fees he suggested that Scottish universities might wish to
:25:00. > :25:05.show some restraint. Given that to date, all universities are one have
:25:05. > :25:11.gone for the maximum �9,000, does he think that is acceptable? In
:25:11. > :25:16.Edinburgh University's case, they now have the unenviable title of
:25:16. > :25:20.being the most expensive university in the UK. Does the first minister
:25:20. > :25:27.thing that is fair for middle income families? Can I correct Ken
:25:27. > :25:31.Mackintosh. It is important we get this proper information. Aberdeen
:25:31. > :25:36.Caledonian and Heriot-Watt universities have not set the
:25:36. > :25:44.maximum �9,000. In the case of Caledonian, it does not appear at
:25:44. > :25:49.all. Most universities have set a four year course in terms of three
:25:49. > :25:58.years of fees. One-year free then. In the EC -- universities, the
:25:58. > :26:03.average pay year were �6,250, below the technical work group
:26:03. > :26:13.conclusions average. Including Edinburgh, the average would be
:26:13. > :26:18.�6,937. In defence of Edinburgh University, there are bursaries
:26:18. > :26:24.schemes in order to protect the diversity for students coming from
:26:24. > :26:28.elsewhere in the UK. I would hope, as many universities as possible
:26:28. > :26:33.will follow the example of the other three universities and I hope
:26:33. > :26:43.the average gets close to what was suggested by the universities in
:26:43. > :26:49.the working group's scenario. One last thing, in the last few days,
:26:49. > :26:53.there's a record number of calls and many of them were from Scottish
:26:53. > :26:58.students worried because they saw the press and believed the fees
:26:58. > :27:02.been quoted in the headlines applied to them. It is vitally
:27:02. > :27:08.important that when we debate this issue and when it is reported, it
:27:08. > :27:15.is made absolutely clear to every Scottish student in terms of access
:27:15. > :27:20.to our universities, the rocks will melt before the sun before students
:27:20. > :27:24.in Scotland -- Scottish students are made to pay fees. Could you
:27:24. > :27:27.tell us how many places for Scottish and EU students will be
:27:27. > :27:32.cut over the next five years as a result of the pressure on
:27:32. > :27:39.universities to take far more students from the rest of the UK?
:27:39. > :27:41.would have thought that she would have welcome the fact that the
:27:41. > :27:48.Education Secretary and the universities have protected the
:27:48. > :27:51.numbers of Scottish students who have access to places. This is in
:27:51. > :28:00.stark and overwhelming contrast to what her government is pursuing
:28:00. > :28:05.south of the border -- border. Maybe it is the embarrassment of
:28:05. > :28:09.seeing and having to answer for these misguided policies in
:28:09. > :28:19.Westminster that has led the Deputy Leader of the Conservative Party to
:28:19. > :28:23.
:28:23. > :28:29.advocate its disbandment in There we have it, the First
:28:29. > :28:35.Minister quoting Robert Burns. Earlier we had a reference to a
:28:35. > :28:41.gypsy and we may hear more from her in the near future! Didn't he deal