:00:18. > :00:21.Good afternoon and welcome to Politics Scotland.
:00:22. > :00:24.The Lib Dem MP Alistair Carmichael has survived
:00:25. > :00:27.a legal challenge to his election - we'll bring you the reaction.
:00:28. > :00:29.Opposition parties at Holyrood are calling for an inquiry
:00:30. > :00:36.into the closure of the Forth Road Bridge.
:00:37. > :00:42.Here at Westminster, the UK Government announces an extra ?50
:00:43. > :00:49.million to help the victims of flooding. Some of that money will go
:00:50. > :00:54.to Scotland, but are the measures radical enough? The Orkney and
:00:55. > :00:58.Shetland MP Alistair Carmichael will remain in Parliament after surviving
:00:59. > :01:04.a legal challenge to his election. Four of his constituents brought the
:01:05. > :01:13.case, claiming his actions around the leak of a memo questioned his
:01:14. > :01:18.credential. Judges ruled he had lied but it didn't breach electoral law.
:01:19. > :01:22.As the member of Parliament... Elected in May, Alistair Carmichael
:01:23. > :01:30.continues as MP for Orkney and Shetland. The news was relayed to
:01:31. > :01:36.the House of Commons. The judges have determined that the petition be
:01:37. > :01:41.dismissed. Here is where we started a, report in April a month from the
:01:42. > :01:44.UK general election, Alistair Carmichael admitted leaking a memo
:01:45. > :01:48.from the French consul which suggested that Nicola Sturgeon had
:01:49. > :01:53.indicated at a meeting she wanted to see David Cameron returned as Prime
:01:54. > :01:58.Minister. But at first, Mr Carmichael denied all knowledge in
:01:59. > :02:03.an interview. The first I became aware of this, was when I received a
:02:04. > :02:09.phone call on Friday afternoon from a journalists. Nicola Sturgeon
:02:10. > :02:16.denied the claims and diplomats said they were wrong. Petitioners for Mr
:02:17. > :02:22.Carmichael's constituency said his election was based on a lie and took
:02:23. > :02:28.the case to court. Today the verdict from the judges. They said Mr
:02:29. > :02:34.Carmichael's comments constituted a false statement of fact, in other
:02:35. > :02:41.words a lie. They noted that the intention of his conduct was to
:02:42. > :02:47.furment further his own electoral interest. But it relates only to
:02:48. > :02:51.lies in respect of of the perm character or conduct of a candidate
:02:52. > :02:55.for the purpose of affecting that candidate's return. On that the
:02:56. > :02:59.judges were left with a reasonable doubt. It has been a very difficult
:03:00. > :03:08.and stressful and expensive few months for me and the rest of my
:03:09. > :03:17.family. I have been cleared of the breach of Representation of the
:03:18. > :03:21.People Act brought by nationalists. Nonsense, the only politically
:03:22. > :03:28.inspired act, as admitted by Mr Carmichael was leaking a memo he
:03:29. > :03:34.knew to be false to attack the SNP. And the petitioner thes claimed a
:03:35. > :03:40.moral victory. Here is one. We have proved in court that Alistair
:03:41. > :03:44.Carmichael lied to his constituents. If I had seen this in a court
:03:45. > :03:49.judgement about me, I would be resigning. The court also criticised
:03:50. > :03:56.Mr Carmichael's response to a leak inquiry as at best disengenerous, at
:03:57. > :04:02.worst evasive and self-serving. The MP said he has been vindicated.
:04:03. > :04:07.David Porter has been following developments. Including you were
:04:08. > :04:13.speaking to Alistair Carmichael. Behind the mask of chipperness, is
:04:14. > :04:17.he as pleased as he looks with himself. I think relief is probably
:04:18. > :04:23.the first emotion that you would describe. He says on a personal
:04:24. > :04:28.level this this has been stressful few months. He admits with hind
:04:29. > :04:33.sight he would have done things differently. He is pleased that the
:04:34. > :04:38.electical court cleared him on the essential charge that he broke
:04:39. > :04:44.electoral law. If the case had gone against him, it would have been
:04:45. > :04:48.curtains for his political career. There would have been a by-election
:04:49. > :04:54.and he probably would have been told he could not stand. So essentially I
:04:55. > :04:59.think his first emotion is one of relief. He now knows that he has to
:05:00. > :05:03.rebuild the relationship with some section of his constituency in
:05:04. > :05:08.Orkney and Shetland, but if it had gone the other way things would have
:05:09. > :05:13.been worse for him. Do you think there are perhaps a few members down
:05:14. > :05:17.there and perhaps members of Scottish Parliament breathing a bit
:05:18. > :05:24.of a sigh of relief, it does establish that just because you told
:05:25. > :05:32.porkers doesn't mean you get kicked out and there may be up with or two
:05:33. > :05:37.ministers/MPs in Parliament who have also told porkers. I don't think
:05:38. > :05:41.that would be stretching the point that some members here may have been
:05:42. > :05:46.used to that phrase economic with with the actuality that was once
:05:47. > :05:51.used in a court case in lontd. It was in the heat of an election
:05:52. > :05:54.campaign. I think there are many MPs past ands present who would have
:05:55. > :06:02.thought will perhaps in the past that some things have been said are
:06:03. > :06:08.not 100% true and copper-bottomed. There was a strange dicot mrooe from
:06:09. > :06:11.the emotion of what happened in the election campaign the court case and
:06:12. > :06:15.the dry statement from the speaker of the House of Commons as
:06:16. > :06:20.proceedings started today at the very start of business. He just
:06:21. > :06:23.reported what the electoral court had found and said that that meant
:06:24. > :06:28.that the result for Orkney and Shetland would stand and it would be
:06:29. > :06:35.now put in the record. It was as driep as that. But -- as dry as
:06:36. > :06:41.that. But many MPs will be thinking, yeah, I'm a bit glad that didn't
:06:42. > :06:43.involve me and if we look with hind sight, perhaps things they have done
:06:44. > :06:46.in the past they would do differently. Don't go away. We will
:06:47. > :06:50.be back laterment Our guest for the laterment day
:06:51. > :07:00.is the political editor What do you make of this, I'm not
:07:01. > :07:05.trying to question the decision of their Lordships. I wonder whether
:07:06. > :07:12.Alistair Carmichael and his supporters will playing this
:07:13. > :07:16.politically well? Yes, it is a legal technicality that he has been
:07:17. > :07:20.cleared on. His response to that decision today has been ill-judged.
:07:21. > :07:27.This is a man who... You think his response? Yes, because he said he
:07:28. > :07:34.has complained about it being a politically motivated case and it
:07:35. > :07:39.was ugly. But this is a guy that has been found by the court to have
:07:40. > :07:43.lied. He lied because he was trying to enhance his political reputation
:07:44. > :07:48.and the reason that he hasn't been kicked out is just because it wasn't
:07:49. > :07:53.the right kind of lie. Also he is a member of a political party, which
:07:54. > :07:59.makes great play of how its different and it is honest and up
:08:00. > :08:05.front. All political parties make that claim I suppose. I think that
:08:06. > :08:09.and it is not just Alistair Carmichael, there is a press release
:08:10. > :08:15.the Liberal Democrats without put quoting Tim far Ron the UK leader
:08:16. > :08:20.and they're all saying something similar. Attacking the people who
:08:21. > :08:24.have brought this a saying it is politically motivated. If you had a
:08:25. > :08:31.judgment made against you and made against one of your MPs which is
:08:32. > :08:34.very critical of the personal conduct of Alistair Carmichael, to
:08:35. > :08:38.respond in that fashion is ill-judged. It would have been... It
:08:39. > :08:43.seems that it is correct and I should say as a journalist people,
:08:44. > :08:47.politicians leak all the time and it is difficult to leak without some
:08:48. > :08:53.level of deceit. I wonder about the public mood. Maybe in the old days
:08:54. > :08:58.before the House of Commons expenses scandal, but there a mood abroad
:08:59. > :09:06.that politicians are the same and all tell lies. Even if it is unfair.
:09:07. > :09:12.If you're a politician... If you like, I am not suggesting he should
:09:13. > :09:16.have resigned, but the way they have handled it, to say it is fine,
:09:17. > :09:20.because we got off on a technicality and not address the substance of the
:09:21. > :09:25.issue, not just the SNP members who brought the case, but other people
:09:26. > :09:29.across Britain thinking why, this is the way we want politicians not to
:09:30. > :09:36.behave. I think that is correct. In this case, the legal case has been
:09:37. > :09:40.brought, it had been crowd funded by Scottish nationalists, that does not
:09:41. > :09:43.mean that people who are not nationalists, just members of
:09:44. > :09:48.public, would like their MPs to behave in a more honest fashion.
:09:49. > :09:51.Thank you. We will be back with you soon.
:09:52. > :09:54.To the chamber at Holyrood now, where MSPs are debating a Labour
:09:55. > :09:56.motion which advocates spending the health-related Barnett
:09:57. > :09:57.consequentials created by George Osborne's Spending Review
:09:58. > :10:14.? Let's go the the chamber. The impact would have been disastrous.
:10:15. > :10:22.Thank you for that brevity. Now the next item of business. That is...
:10:23. > :10:29.Point of order. Mr Kelly? Thank you. I rise to make a point of order in
:10:30. > :10:33.relation to the statement from derick McKay Transport Minister on
:10:34. > :10:39.the Forth Road Bridge. In response to a question from Alex Johnson
:10:40. > :10:42.about cancellation of planned maintenance works, Mr Mackay started
:10:43. > :10:46.that work that would have been covered by the cancelled maintenance
:10:47. > :10:56.contract was not the fault on the bridge occurred. However in a BBC
:10:57. > :11:01.interview, Mr Mackay said the work planned under the contract cancelled
:11:02. > :11:07.in 2010 would have covered the area where the fault occurred on the
:11:08. > :11:12.bridge. Clearly, these statements are contradictory. This is a serious
:11:13. > :11:22.matter. It would appear that Mr Mackay has misled Parliament. I
:11:23. > :11:27.would ask... That Mr Mackay return to Parliament before close of
:11:28. > :11:31.business to correct the record and give an open and transparent
:11:32. > :11:39.explanation as to the impact of planned maintenance works on the
:11:40. > :11:45.Forth Road Bridge. Thank you. Clearly, Mr Mackay's statements are
:11:46. > :11:53.a matter for Mr Mackay. And only for him. So therefore this is not a
:11:54. > :12:01.point of order. However you have made your point. Now we move to the
:12:02. > :12:10.next item of business, the debate on motion No 12509 8. Patricia
:12:11. > :12:14.Ferguson? I seek your guidance as to the remedies to hold minister to
:12:15. > :12:18.account for statements they make in Parliament which are contradicted by
:12:19. > :12:26.statements outside this place. There must be some mechanism that allows
:12:27. > :12:30.us to do that? I will reflect on what you say, and I will get back
:12:31. > :12:46.later in the day to you in that regard. The next item the motion in
:12:47. > :12:55.the name of Jenny Marra on health. I call on Jenny Marra to speak to and
:12:56. > :13:00.move the motion. Thank you. We come to the chamber today to discuss
:13:01. > :13:05.health and social care integration. While we make our speeches and
:13:06. > :13:10.debate today, thousands of people across Scotland will be in their
:13:11. > :13:15.homes. Having just perhaps had a visit from a carer at lunch time to
:13:16. > :13:21.give them their lunch. Many will have been helped by a carer this
:13:22. > :13:26.morning to get out of bed, to wash, to shower, to dress and have been
:13:27. > :13:31.given their breakfast. Many of the carerses will have then done the
:13:32. > :13:36.washing up, put the bin out, perhaps dealt with any family issues. Made
:13:37. > :13:41.sure their charge has what he or she needs or wants for the day. Made
:13:42. > :13:46.sure they're warm up that the radio or TV is on the right channel that
:13:47. > :13:49.those lucky enough to receive visitors know what is happening
:13:50. > :13:54.throughout the day, that the key's in the right place, that this enough
:13:55. > :14:02.tea in the caddy. All the while, they are watching the clock. The
:14:03. > :14:06.myriad of seemingly small but important challenges is one of the
:14:07. > :14:11.reasons that health and social care integration is challenging on a
:14:12. > :14:19.daily basis. Medicines are to be taken. The GP has prescribed three
:14:20. > :14:24.times a day. Carers can't administer medicines, this has to be done by
:14:25. > :14:28.someone else, who is that person? This is an example of day-to-day
:14:29. > :14:33.challenges that makes bringing health and social care together so
:14:34. > :14:39.complex and challenge and that is the reality on the ground. A window
:14:40. > :14:47.into many homes across Scotland this afternoon. And it is the right thing
:14:48. > :14:52.to do. Because we know that many, many old people - and they are the
:14:53. > :15:00.majority of recipients of home care - they want to stay in their own
:15:01. > :15:04.homes. Last week, audit Scotland published its report on health and
:15:05. > :15:09.social care spe Gration. -- integration. There were some
:15:10. > :15:15.challenging messages for the government. At the start in the
:15:16. > :15:18.summary it noted that there is evidence to suggest that integration
:15:19. > :15:28.authorities will not be in a position to make a major impact in
:15:29. > :15:38.2016, 2017. The Labour motion sets out clearly today that Labour would
:15:39. > :15:47.spend Barnett consequentials on health and social care integration.
:15:48. > :15:52.It is plain for everyone to see that social care needs more investment if
:15:53. > :15:57.it is to be successful. It is clear in Scotland and it is clear across
:15:58. > :16:03.the United Kingdom and across most of western Europe. It is plain for
:16:04. > :16:08.everyone to see that this need becomes more and more urgent every
:16:09. > :16:14.day as our population ages and more and more people require care. The
:16:15. > :16:17.Scottish government itself has estimated that the increase in the
:16:18. > :16:26.need for health and social care services will rise by between 18 and
:16:27. > :16:32.29% by 2030. And it is place for everyone to see -- and it is plain
:16:33. > :16:38.for everyone to see that investment is about prevention. Ten years ago
:16:39. > :16:40.Campbell Christy made recommendations and preventative
:16:41. > :16:45.spending which this Government signed up to in opposition. But we
:16:46. > :17:00.have still not seen that shift that is necessary. The Scottish
:17:01. > :17:08.Government themselves estimate that 137 to 150 million could be saved.
:17:09. > :17:12.It is now nearly a year since Shona Robison announced that delayed
:17:13. > :17:16.discharge would be abolished by the end of the year. Now, I can't
:17:17. > :17:21.criticise the cabinet Secretary for her ambition on this, but she will
:17:22. > :17:27.have made this statement in full knowledge that keeping people in
:17:28. > :17:31.hospital is more expensive than caring for them at home. Some
:17:32. > :17:39.estimates she will know put a week's stay in hospital at nearly ?4,000.
:17:40. > :17:47.And last week's audit Scotland report states in 2014, 15 NHS
:17:48. > :17:55.Scotland used 625,000 bed days for patients who were already ready to
:17:56. > :18:02.be discharged. It has been announced that Donald Trump has been dropped
:18:03. > :18:08.from global Scot, a worldwide network who promotes Scotland. Our
:18:09. > :18:17.correspondent can bring us up-to-date. Is this a devastating
:18:18. > :18:24.blow to Donald Trump? Well Nicola Sturgeon dropped Mr Trump as a
:18:25. > :18:28.global Scot. A press release was sent out saying his remarks about a
:18:29. > :18:33.ban on Muslims coming into the United States after the gun shooting
:18:34. > :18:39.in California, his remarks have shown he is no longer fit to be a
:18:40. > :18:43.business ambassador for Scotland and his membership of the global Scot
:18:44. > :18:46.business network should be withdrawn with immediate effect and there are
:18:47. > :18:49.questions in the House of Commons today to the Chancellor, who is
:18:50. > :18:56.standing in for the Prime Minister about Mr Trump and his comments. I'm
:18:57. > :19:01.joined by three MSPs. Mike McKenzie, Graham Pearson and Murdo Fraser.
:19:02. > :19:08.Let's start with the Trump situation. Should Mr Trump perhaps
:19:09. > :19:13.not have been dropped as a global Scot plied when he made those
:19:14. > :19:18.comments and Muslims. No, I'm pleased to hear he has been dropped.
:19:19. > :19:24.I don't this sentiments are at all welcome. I think the First
:19:25. > :19:29.Minister's done the right thing to send that message that that kind of
:19:30. > :19:34.behaviour, those sentiments are not welcome and they're not appropriate
:19:35. > :19:43.in Scotland and so I'm pleased she has the done that. Mr Trump is tied
:19:44. > :19:48.up in Scottish life with Trump aviation at westest Prestwick
:19:49. > :19:52.airport, owned by the Scottish Government. But I think the First
:19:53. > :20:01.Minister's done the right thing. Those remarks are unacceptable in
:20:02. > :20:10.Scotland. Graham Pearson, the press release said he was appointed a
:20:11. > :20:16.global Scot in 2000 6 when Jack McConnell was First Minister. Well
:20:17. > :20:19.Mr Trump has had a love/hate relationship with the Scottish
:20:20. > :20:23.establishment and Mr Trump. We had the Scottish nationalists were
:20:24. > :20:30.played about his golfing endeavours and his worth and then fell out
:20:31. > :20:33.about wind farms. His latest pronouncements show him not fit for
:20:34. > :20:39.purpose for Scottish society. I'm glad it's happened. It is long
:20:40. > :20:43.overdue. It can be awkward, governments want to get big business
:20:44. > :20:50.people involved and Mr Trump was involved in Scotland under Jack
:20:51. > :20:55.McConnell's leadership. At that time he had a a different persona and
:20:56. > :21:01.different ambitions. The last five years has not been an auspicious
:21:02. > :21:09.time for Mr Trump, I'm glad we have severed our link. Money doesn't
:21:10. > :21:20.bayou everything. -- doesn't buy you everything. Mohammed sheik the SNP
:21:21. > :21:26.MSP asked the Chancellor whether in Mr Trump should be banned from
:21:27. > :21:30.coming into the country as a hate freechest preacher -- preacher. It
:21:31. > :21:35.is a dangerous territory saying we should ban people from speaking
:21:36. > :21:40.their mind or we deem their views unacceptable. I think what he said
:21:41. > :21:49.was unacceptable. I was etc tweeting yesterday about why he was still a
:21:50. > :21:54.global Scot. I was amazed he was stiff still a global Scot after what
:21:55. > :21:58.he said about Mexican people. It should have happened before now. He
:21:59. > :22:02.has gone from that role. He is still a substantial investor in Scotland
:22:03. > :22:08.and we need to be careful about that relationship. We remember the former
:22:09. > :22:13.First Minister Alex Salmond being very cosy with Mr Trump. Perhaps in
:22:14. > :22:22.the future First Ministers should be more careful about who they are
:22:23. > :22:28.consievial with. -- convivial. Now the Forth Road Bridge, did the
:22:29. > :22:32.Scottish Government cutback on repairs and that led to this
:22:33. > :22:36.situation? ?" No the minister came to Parliament yesterday and gave a
:22:37. > :22:44.comprehensive statement. He was very clear on that point. This is not a,
:22:45. > :22:49.been caused by any deficiency in maintenance, it was unforeseen, it
:22:50. > :22:56.is a technical matter and he invited all MSPs to attend a technical
:22:57. > :22:59.briefing on Monday morning at south Queensferry to satisfy themselves
:23:00. > :23:03.and to ask questions and to do so in a place that won't result in two
:23:04. > :23:09.personnel being taken off the bridge and off the vital repairs. That is
:23:10. > :23:14.the important thing, to get the bridge properly repaired and open
:23:15. > :23:18.again as soon as possible. This was unforeseen and Labour are calling
:23:19. > :23:29.for a public inquiry, but sometimes things just happen. It is a shearing
:23:30. > :23:33.of metal. It It is not as simple. I know there are tens of thousands of
:23:34. > :23:38.motorists want to know why this was allowed to happen. It is one of the
:23:39. > :23:43.main routes in Scotland, reported this morning that five years ago an
:23:44. > :23:48.issue was raised about maintaining this particular part of Britain and
:23:49. > :23:55.ensurer -- part of the bridge and a decision was taken not to maintain
:23:56. > :24:01.the bridge. And I know James Kelly raised a motion asking has the
:24:02. > :24:05.cabinet Secretary misled Parliament and we need to be clear who made the
:24:06. > :24:12.decision five years ago and why was it made and should it be made?
:24:13. > :24:16.Certainly this last week it has been misery for thousands of people and
:24:17. > :24:23.we need some clarity, how did we arrive at this station. --
:24:24. > :24:26.situation. Misery for many of your constituents, are the arrangements
:24:27. > :24:31.enough or the people to get moving? I think, I have used the public
:24:32. > :24:36.transport arrangements for the last two days. For many people they're
:24:37. > :24:41.working well. For others they're not because you can't replicate a
:24:42. > :24:45.journey a lot of people would have made by car. We are fortunate it is
:24:46. > :24:50.happening in the run up to Christmas when people are be more flexible
:24:51. > :24:53.with their work. If the closure continues until January, then we
:24:54. > :25:01.have a serious problem. But we can't lose sight of an issue that has
:25:02. > :25:05.arisen, Derek McKay told Parliament yesterday that the maintenance
:25:06. > :25:09.programme that was cancelled in 2010 would not have have had an impact on
:25:10. > :25:13.the crack that appeared. He said something different on the radio
:25:14. > :25:17.today. We are getting mixed messages. That is why we have been
:25:18. > :25:21.calling for an independent inquiry. I think that is essential, because
:25:22. > :25:26.the Scottish government can't seem to get their story straight on what
:25:27. > :25:30.has gone wrong. Well, the Scottish government can't get their story
:25:31. > :25:34.straight? I don't think that is the case. The minister made a clear
:25:35. > :25:39.statement yesterday to Parliament and obviously this is a changing
:25:40. > :25:43.situation, more information is becoming available as the engineers
:25:44. > :25:50.undertake their work. This is not political issue, but a technical
:25:51. > :25:54.issue. Of course they will try and make political capital, I be this
:25:55. > :25:59.should be more serious than that. It should be beyond politics. Its
:26:00. > :26:08.causing disruption and inconvenience and economic loss. The minister has
:26:09. > :26:13.been at pains to implement a transport plan. He is fine tuning it
:26:14. > :26:17.and the information I have is traffic flows are better than
:26:18. > :26:24.expected and I think we have to take the time to pay tribute to the
:26:25. > :26:30.people who are working in difficult weather conditions today, wind
:26:31. > :26:36.swept. These people are also working in a new bridge that is under budget
:26:37. > :26:42.and on time. That is good news. No one would speak against that. The
:26:43. > :26:45.reality still is we have a main route that is incapable of being
:26:46. > :26:49.used. There should have been work done five years ago which would have
:26:50. > :26:53.meant we could have maintained our connections as the other bridge
:26:54. > :27:00.still was being built and we need to have clarity. There was a message
:27:01. > :27:07.delivered yesterday and a different one today and we know where are the
:27:08. > :27:14.gap and are we gets a whitewash. Do you think everything will be up and
:27:15. > :27:19.running by the new year? I hope so. Because if not, we are more serious
:27:20. > :27:26.problems and even the Scottish government can't give us guarantees
:27:27. > :27:28.that will be the case. Thank you. Gordon with that back to you in the
:27:29. > :27:43.studio. David Clegg is still with me. Now is
:27:44. > :27:46.it bridge gate yet? Shall we official it bridge gate, you think
:27:47. > :27:52.the government has questions to answer. I have been looking at the
:27:53. > :27:57.detail of this. Yesterday in Parliament, the Transport Secretary
:27:58. > :28:03.said, it refers to works that were put out in 2010 or the for tender
:28:04. > :28:08.and cancelled. He said the works are not where the fault occurred. On the
:28:09. > :28:12.radio today he was asked if this was the case he said, well, it would
:28:13. > :28:17.have seen the replacement of that area and much more. So on the face
:28:18. > :28:21.of it it does look as if there is a discrepancy between what was being
:28:22. > :28:27.said in Parliament and what was said on the radio. Maybe the Government,
:28:28. > :28:31.all of whom have become experts in civil engineers will be able to
:28:32. > :28:36.explain it. There may be a technical explanation for it. There has been a
:28:37. > :28:45.point of order raised. I am sure the Scottish Government will prepare a
:28:46. > :28:48.response. It is unfortunate for the Government, because their response
:28:49. > :28:53.has been good up to now and they seem to be getting alternative
:28:54. > :28:59.transport arrangements done and kept people informed. But it does seem
:29:00. > :29:06.there is confusion about whether they are in the frame for, well the
:29:07. > :29:11.cancelling of the works in 2010 is what got us to this situation. You
:29:12. > :29:18.can see the ambitions of opposition politicians, they want to say, or
:29:19. > :29:20.add to this narrative that the SNP Government bang on about
:29:21. > :29:24.independence, when it came to running the country they have let
:29:25. > :29:30.things go to the dogs and here is another example. That will be the
:29:31. > :29:36.main message of the opposition parties. If you think back to the
:29:37. > :29:41.2011 election when the SNP won their majority, it wasn't anything to do
:29:42. > :29:46.with independence, it was won on we are a competent government and trust
:29:47. > :29:50.us to run the country well and the public thought they had done so.
:29:51. > :29:57.They got a massive majority. The focus became about independence. And
:29:58. > :30:06.that has led to an increase in their support but I'm not sure it has had
:30:07. > :30:13.a good effect on their running. Trump was popular when he was
:30:14. > :30:19.spending money. I think that was a mistake and it has taken some
:30:20. > :30:24.extreme comments for civic life in Scotland to recognise this is a man
:30:25. > :30:30.with some unsavoury views. Is in is the first thing that has happened
:30:31. > :30:36.where somebody said to Trump that we are taking something away. Have you
:30:37. > :30:44.come across any more? I'm not aware of anything. The whole presidential
:30:45. > :30:49.debate in America has been dominated by Donald Trump and the views that
:30:50. > :30:56.he has aired and response they're getting from some sections of the
:30:57. > :31:02.American public is disturbing. I think he is not just a fun figure,
:31:03. > :31:06.but could hold a very influential position and is already dominating
:31:07. > :31:12.the debate. I should point out that is the American version of the
:31:13. > :31:20.Apprentice and not the BBC verse. Which is beyond reproach. Now back
:31:21. > :31:33.to the chamber and a debate about social care. Labour have advocated a
:31:34. > :31:47.living wage for health workers. Shona Robison is responding.
:31:48. > :31:59.Recognised, as are members well, don't like the difference, that is
:32:00. > :32:06.why we have taken the action, to increase the rates of pay, direct
:32:07. > :32:11.responsibility, and we have set the example that we would encourage
:32:12. > :32:18.employers to follow. And we have done more than that, we have
:32:19. > :32:24.provided ?12.5 million, as part of an arrangement with local
:32:25. > :32:32.authorities and providers, what ?25 million, to improve the quality of
:32:33. > :32:46.care, including making progress towards democracy. That is welcome.
:32:47. > :32:57.With the integration, these care workers are going to move, tempting
:32:58. > :33:09.as part of the statutory workforce? IGBs required. To commission
:33:10. > :33:13.services, voices around the table, and of course we have put in place
:33:14. > :33:19.guidance, loving all of the to consider the question on what
:33:20. > :33:27.practices, about the human process. That is a strong lever for IGBs. The
:33:28. > :33:35.Scottish Government sees the payment of the living wage, as a commitment,
:33:36. > :33:41.and it is one of the ways that an employer can demonstrate it takes a
:33:42. > :33:49.positive approach to the workforce. Some of the authorities, already
:33:50. > :33:58.doing that. It does not stop there. I am committed to meeting for the
:33:59. > :34:05.progress. Working with COSLA. Care providers across Scotland, but in
:34:06. > :34:12.order to reach a common understanding about the scale of the
:34:13. > :34:19.challenge, I am happy to put the information, on the costings of
:34:20. > :34:26.delivering living wage, into spice, we do need the common understanding,
:34:27. > :34:33.so that we can look at the challenge that we need to make. I want to use
:34:34. > :34:47.the rest of the time... Two talk about my visit to Oakridge. I saw
:34:48. > :34:56.progress of work, an intermediate care, and what struck me, was the
:34:57. > :34:59.commitment of all the staff the leadership shown by the partnership
:35:00. > :35:05.in Glasgow, improving quality of life. The staff felt motivated by
:35:06. > :35:14.the work that they were doing, the police they were involved in
:35:15. > :35:21.something worthwhile. -- the belief. Last November, they've recorded 106
:35:22. > :35:28.delayed discharges, and October, the number was 25 this year. The staff
:35:29. > :35:34.were able to name those people, the lead in the system in Glasgow.
:35:35. > :35:37.Because they are in such small numbers. That is a good achievement,
:35:38. > :35:44.and we want other partnerships to deliver that. Over half of all
:35:45. > :35:54.partnerships have delayed discharge, into single figures, five account
:35:55. > :36:05.for 60% of the rest. I can assure Parliament, working very hard, I am
:36:06. > :36:10.conscious of time... I want to address this final point about the
:36:11. > :36:19.budget. On the forthcoming budget, the government has passed on every
:36:20. > :36:25.penny of health course consequential, since 2009, and the
:36:26. > :36:33.audit report makes it clear that the increase has happened, the federal
:36:34. > :36:39.includes capital, why is she shaking her head? It is clearer that health
:36:40. > :36:46.resource spending has increased. Capital spending, a different
:36:47. > :36:50.matter. We know that because of the 25% decrease from the Westminster
:36:51. > :36:55.government to the Scottish Government, capital spending has
:36:56. > :37:01.been a challenge. But the commitment has increased, in view terms. But in
:37:02. > :37:06.terms of the forthcoming budget, obviously, I cannot say much about
:37:07. > :37:11.that other than Parliament can be reassured, the direction of travel
:37:12. > :37:15.that I have laid out, will be continued in the decisions that we
:37:16. > :37:28.meet in the forthcoming budget. I am happy to move that amendment in my
:37:29. > :37:37.name. Amendment 1050.182. Thank you. Across the country, front line staff
:37:38. > :37:41.in health and social care are watching to satisfy people. I am not
:37:42. > :37:46.so familiar with the social care, but I am sure it is no different
:37:47. > :37:51.than the NHS, and for all the years I have known them, the vast majority
:37:52. > :37:56.of staff have been working with commitment, to ensure the best
:37:57. > :38:01.possible outcomes. We know that many people have been working under
:38:02. > :38:11.increasing pressure, as population strictures resources. Many have been
:38:12. > :38:16.retiring early. Recruitment has not always been easy. We see this with
:38:17. > :38:26.consultancy agencies, the difficulty of trouble attracting new trainees,
:38:27. > :38:34.and the difficulty in recruiting and the continuing use of staff, to
:38:35. > :38:41.cover the consist. Health boards are doing their best. At Grampian,
:38:42. > :38:50.strenuous efforts have been made to solve the problem. This has resulted
:38:51. > :38:59.in consultants vacancies being felt. -- filled. Overall, demand for NHS
:39:00. > :39:05.services is outstripping the available resources. This system is
:39:06. > :39:11.not sustainable. That has been made clearer by the auditor general.
:39:12. > :39:13.To Westminster now, where there was a break
:39:14. > :39:15.from the familiar routine of PMQs today.
:39:16. > :39:18.The PM in question is away, on a visit to Romania,
:39:19. > :39:20.as part of his ongoing quest to renegotiate the UK's
:39:21. > :39:27.So it fell to the Chancellor George Osborne to speak for the Government
:39:28. > :39:29.and to Labour's Shadow First Secretary of State,
:39:30. > :39:44.Mr Speaker... Our hearts go out to those suffering the consequences of
:39:45. > :39:48.flooding. Thousands have been affected, the priority has got to be
:39:49. > :40:01.for the government to get immediate help, but one year after the 20 14th
:40:02. > :40:04.once, -- 2014 floods, only 15% have received payments, this cannot
:40:05. > :40:10.happen again. These people need urgent help rate now. As the
:40:11. > :40:14.Chancellor going to give the house I guarantee that people will receive
:40:15. > :40:20.the help that they need, quickly? I want to join her, expressing
:40:21. > :40:29.sympathy of the house, to those affected by these terrible floods.
:40:30. > :40:33.The rainfall that has hit Cumbria and Lancashire. We have one severe
:40:34. > :40:40.flood warning in place. However has been restored to many homes, but we
:40:41. > :40:44.have got to be available for these families, we continue to support the
:40:45. > :40:49.immediate rescue efforts, the melancholy have deployed that.
:40:50. > :40:56.Recovery, what she has been asking about, 50 million has been made
:40:57. > :41:01.available to families and businesses affected, it will be administered in
:41:02. > :41:05.local authorities, to avoid administrative problems that she has
:41:06. > :41:10.been to. Rebuilding the infrastructure of these locations
:41:11. > :41:16.are affected, we are assessing the defences, and roads. Funds are going
:41:17. > :41:20.to be made available, one of the benefits of having a resilient
:41:21. > :41:23.economy. Reports in the north of Scotland about plans to transport
:41:24. > :41:40.dangerous nuclear material, nuclear weapons, uranium, on public roads to
:41:41. > :41:46.Wick airport. What will this be used for, and of any colleagues spoken
:41:47. > :41:52.with the Scottish minister about this? The transportation of these
:41:53. > :41:58.nuclear materials has happened across this country, over many
:41:59. > :42:06.decades. Established procedures, the Royal Marines and the police in
:42:07. > :42:11.Scotland provide security, as he has specific concerns that he wants to
:42:12. > :42:15.raise about the plans for the transportation, he can raise them
:42:16. > :42:21.with us, but the arrangements in place, to make sure we protect.
:42:22. > :42:33.Since the budget, I have asked about how he intends to meet women prove
:42:34. > :42:41.they had their third child... This policy as an walkable. -- is
:42:42. > :42:44.unworkable. It is perfectly reasonable to have the welfare
:42:45. > :42:53.system, available to those who need for it, but fair for those who pay
:42:54. > :43:00.for it. We have identified this specific case, women, subject to
:43:01. > :43:08.domestic abuse and we have made changes to protect these vulnerable
:43:09. > :43:18.women. The Home Secretary has banned 84 hate preachers from entering the
:43:19. > :43:25.UK. Donald Trump, 85? The best way to confront the opinions with
:43:26. > :43:30.somebody like .com, to engage in democratic debate, about why he is
:43:31. > :43:35.profoundly wrong about the contribution of American and British
:43:36. > :43:36.Muslims, that is the best way to do with that, rather than ban
:43:37. > :43:52.presidential candidates. No rain dropping on you yet? That
:43:53. > :44:11.has not happened yet, but are busy day at Westminster. I can introduce
:44:12. > :44:18.you to the MPs. I am going to begin with you, Nicol. The issue of the
:44:19. > :44:21.day for Scottish politics, the adjudication of that electoral
:44:22. > :44:30.court, involving Alistair Carmichael. An end to the matter? I
:44:31. > :44:34.hope that it is. It is the outcome that Alistair Carmichael has been
:44:35. > :44:40.hoping for, and the constituents of Orkney and Shetland. They want to
:44:41. > :44:45.get on with normal politics. It was a politically motivated court
:44:46. > :44:50.action, and I think the correct decision has been reached. He can
:44:51. > :45:03.get down to focusing his attention on representing the people of Orkney
:45:04. > :45:08.and Shetland. He has said it was politically motivated. Do you accept
:45:09. > :45:15.that? The SNP were not pushing this. This was for constituents, one of
:45:16. > :45:19.them was a Green Party member. I think this leaves problems for the
:45:20. > :45:30.Liberal Democrats. Alistair Carmichael has been found within the
:45:31. > :45:38.remits, let off. But we have a situation, the court itself has said
:45:39. > :45:45.that he told a blatant lie. Was evasive. This is hardly the language
:45:46. > :45:53.that should allow them to get off free. The court has spoken? The
:45:54. > :46:00.court has spoken, it is a formal committee, they have said it was a
:46:01. > :46:04.case to answer, we have examined and they have said that Alistair
:46:05. > :46:10.Carmichael can remain. Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of poems, have
:46:11. > :46:16.been thrown at this case. If it is going to create a precedent for the
:46:17. > :46:21.future, who knows. It is to Alistair Carmichael to respond, if he wants
:46:22. > :46:28.to but it is important for Parliament and for constituents, for
:46:29. > :46:34.him to get back to doing his job. Is it correct that the courts get
:46:35. > :46:43.involved, the political argument? I do not think this was a political
:46:44. > :46:49.argument. As a lawyer, what Ian said is right. We observe the judgment of
:46:50. > :46:56.the court. It would be wrong for politicians to make adjudications.
:46:57. > :47:01.It was a political decision -- it was not a political decision, it was
:47:02. > :47:06.made by the courts. Donald Trump has also been in the headlines, other
:47:07. > :47:11.comments about Muslims in America. The Scottish Government has dropped
:47:12. > :47:25.him as a so-called ambassador for Scotland. Correct? I would invite
:47:26. > :47:30.all of us to put funds together for a spacerocket and fire him to space!
:47:31. > :47:34.The comments that he made have no place in modern democracy, and
:47:35. > :47:37.joking aside, the American people are going to ensure that he has no
:47:38. > :47:47.place in the Washington political setup. Westminster in the space
:47:48. > :47:53.business? He has been dropped as a global Scott, a former associate of
:47:54. > :47:58.the former First Minister, but he is still a shareholder, to do with
:47:59. > :48:03.Prestwick Airport, but these sort of comments have now please in a modern
:48:04. > :48:09.democracy. America, as the Chancellor said, is the place of
:48:10. > :48:15.liberty, the founding fathers would find it deplorable what he has been
:48:16. > :48:19.saying. Hopefully, not just the American people, but the Republican
:48:20. > :48:29.Party should reflect on the comments, taken off the list. It is
:48:30. > :48:31.fuelling the flames. He has been dropped by your government, but if
:48:32. > :48:39.he does have this association with Prestwick Airport, your government
:48:40. > :48:48.owns that, is that correct? One of my MPs has written to the Home
:48:49. > :48:51.Secretary, he has reminded that 84 hate preachers have been banned from
:48:52. > :48:57.coming to the United Kingdom, he wants this case to be considered as
:48:58. > :49:03.well. If he has an association with the Newport, owned by the Scottish
:49:04. > :49:08.Government, they do not take action? For the moment, we have taken
:49:09. > :49:11.correct action, we are only with the waiters, because they have said he
:49:12. > :49:18.is not fit to stand for presidential nomination. Your opinion? Has links
:49:19. > :49:23.with the Scottish Government have got to be closely examined. His
:49:24. > :49:30.comments, some of the most shocking in all of my time in politics.
:49:31. > :49:32.Coming from the person who wants to be leader of the democratic world.
:49:33. > :49:37.It is appropriate that we looked into these issues, and strong
:49:38. > :49:49.action, if possible, should be taken against him. Many topics, at the
:49:50. > :49:53.moment, one of them, flooding. If we are going to get rainfall like this,
:49:54. > :49:56.and flooding like this, the government is at Edinburgh and
:49:57. > :50:03.London have got to do more, spend more? That is correct. Local
:50:04. > :50:13.residents were promised this was going to be once in 100 years, here
:50:14. > :50:19.we are, years later... The compensation that George Osborne was
:50:20. > :50:31.talking about, at Prime Minister's Questions, David Talbot and was --
:50:32. > :50:34.David Cameron was overseas, it did not seem to be appropriate, remotely
:50:35. > :50:42.and off to substantially tackle the issue. We have got dishes, part of
:50:43. > :50:46.the problem is that you keep on saying that planning consent has
:50:47. > :50:55.been given for more housing, on the flood plain. Surprise surprise, they
:50:56. > :51:00.are going to be flooded. Nor one answer to this question? I do agree
:51:01. > :51:06.that spending more money is going to help. The Scottish Government has
:51:07. > :51:18.increased the amount to ?89 million. The defences that have been invested
:51:19. > :51:22.in have held up. I know that we will be taking back their concerns. The
:51:23. > :51:27.thing to remember, this was a terrible thing to happen at this
:51:28. > :51:31.time of year. The people who have been affected, we want to help them,
:51:32. > :51:38.and the volunteers as quickly as possible. Talks going on in Paris.
:51:39. > :51:44.Presumably, this is something that transcends party politics? It does.
:51:45. > :51:49.We have to think about the people affected. But we also have to think
:51:50. > :51:54.we are funding and getting the infrastructure correctly. Millions
:51:55. > :51:58.was put into Edinburgh, that had to come out of the budget of the
:51:59. > :52:04.councils. Both governments have to put more money into those sort of
:52:05. > :52:09.structures, if we are going to have this, this has been happening almost
:52:10. > :52:17.every decade. That is why the party stocks are so important, -- Paris
:52:18. > :52:22.talks, because Copenhagen was disappointing. One thing is for
:52:23. > :52:30.certain, one of the problems we have is that government ministers, on the
:52:31. > :52:32.dangers, climate change deniers. We cannot have climate change policy
:52:33. > :52:39.when they do not believe the science. One more question. When
:52:40. > :52:45.these things happen on your watch, your government is going to get the
:52:46. > :52:48.blame? You cannot crime any government for the web. That would
:52:49. > :52:53.be on there. We have to sympathise with the people of Britain,
:52:54. > :52:59.particularly Scotland, who have suffered, and in answer to the
:53:00. > :53:03.question you asked to Nicol, should the Scottish Government be working
:53:04. > :53:09.more effectively with the British government, I think yes, we need
:53:10. > :53:12.more respect, working in tandem. These are British matters, affecting
:53:13. > :53:26.all of the people, when it comes to these issues. Thank you very much.
:53:27. > :53:27.And thank you for being so brief on covering the subject.
:53:28. > :53:32.Just time for some final thoughts from David Clegg.
:53:33. > :53:38.I was thinking, listening to them, talking about Alistair Carmichael,
:53:39. > :53:49.about what you had said at the beginning of the programme. Ian
:53:50. > :53:55.Murray, leaping to the defence of a fellow member? Telling us it is to
:53:56. > :54:01.Alistair Carmichael to decide on the morality. The Scottish National
:54:02. > :54:06.Party took a different position, I am concerned this issue seems to be
:54:07. > :54:18.polarising itself, I won't independence. -- around.
:54:19. > :54:22.Conservatives, backing off? The court has decided, what he has got
:54:23. > :54:29.was not suitable, or sufficient for him to be thrown out of Parliament.
:54:30. > :54:31.Move on. But we cannot pretend the conduct was what any constituent
:54:32. > :54:38.would want from the elected representative. It was not. This
:54:39. > :54:48.willingness, of MPs, to somehow associate themselves with him, he's
:54:49. > :54:51.a chap in trouble... If I was a Liberal Democrat, putting myself up
:54:52. > :54:56.for election, I would not want to be associating myself with Alistair
:54:57. > :55:03.Carmichael, whatever the result is, he has been contaminated by this,
:55:04. > :55:10.not come out of it with. I would be surprised if we see in standing
:55:11. > :55:19.again in 2020. He will serve out this term. But Nicol Stephen said...
:55:20. > :55:30.The constituents are going to be deleted with the result. I suspect
:55:31. > :55:37.that is not true. -- delighted. The Forth Bridge. Nicola Sturgeon was
:55:38. > :55:47.making clay, about how she wanted to get this back open by the beginning
:55:48. > :55:51.of the year? Hostage to fortune? The daily record has spoken to some
:55:52. > :55:55.engineers, who have been incredulous about that. Presumably, the
:55:56. > :56:01.information that Niklas Dudgeon has been getting, is going to be
:56:02. > :56:09.informed, but having been so explicit, that definitely no lag...
:56:10. > :56:19.It is going to be on the timetable suggested, it is going to be a
:56:20. > :56:25.tricky position, if it rolls on. It is not even just engineering, at
:56:26. > :56:35.this time of year, gale force winds? The timetable out of joint? It is
:56:36. > :56:40.not good weather, for repealing, my limited knowledge would tell me
:56:41. > :56:48.that. I am surprised, they have been so categoric. Who knows what could
:56:49. > :56:54.happen? Donald Trump, we had the reaction, but more broader,
:56:55. > :57:02.Republicans have been queueing up, to tell us this is awful. It was
:57:03. > :57:07.such an extraordinarily comment. Extraordinary intervention.
:57:08. > :57:16.Especially when you have sensitivities about the issue of
:57:17. > :57:23.Islam. He was tweeting, he said he could stand as an independent.
:57:24. > :57:28.Whatever you think of Donald Trump, and the comments, this would be good
:57:29. > :57:34.news for Hillary Clinton? Obviously, as he stands as an independent, with
:57:35. > :57:41.his profile, he will presumably have funding, a strong independent
:57:42. > :57:47.candidate, you would assume that would lean him to the Republicans,
:57:48. > :57:49.but Hillary Clinton could be the ultimate winner.
:57:50. > :57:52.You can see First Minister's Questions tomorrow at noon,
:57:53. > :57:54.and I'll be back with Sunday Politics Scotland
:57:55. > :58:06.'From the industrial heart of Scotland...' Puff.
:58:07. > :58:10.'..to the remotest corners of the Hebrides...'
:58:11. > :58:14.'..the Clyde puffers were the workhorses of our coastal trade.'