:00:16. > :00:17.Good afternoon and welcome to a special edition
:00:18. > :00:21.David Cameron has taken on Prime Minister's Questions
:00:22. > :00:26.Soon he will be heading to Buckingham Palace
:00:27. > :00:29.to tender his resignation to the Queen.
:00:30. > :00:31.Theresa May will become Prime Minister this evening,
:00:32. > :00:38.What kind of Prime Minister will she be?
:00:39. > :00:41.Well, another day of high drama in the soap opera which passes
:00:42. > :00:45.The Conservative party has, for now anyway, put the knives away
:00:46. > :00:48.and is about to welcome Theresa May as Britain's second
:00:49. > :00:53.David Cameron joked his way through his last Prime Minister's
:00:54. > :00:55.questions earlier and, in a couple of hours,
:00:56. > :00:59.he'll be heading off to hand in his resignation to the Queen.
:01:00. > :01:02.The knives are still in full view on the Labour benches,
:01:03. > :01:04.though they're aimed at their own leader rather
:01:05. > :01:10.While Theresa May settles in at No10, Jeremy Corbyn
:01:11. > :01:13.will face a gruelling and divisive leadership contest.
:01:14. > :01:22.We're joined now by our Westminster correspondent David Porter.
:01:23. > :01:31.In sunshine which is a good sign. Talk through what will happen this
:01:32. > :01:36.afternoon. Welcome to a busy and noisy College Green this afternoon.
:01:37. > :01:40.This is the day the handover happens. It is outwith the old and
:01:41. > :01:45.in with the new. It is worth remembering that David
:01:46. > :01:49.Cameron is actually still the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. He
:01:50. > :01:53.is in Downing Street with his family at the moment. Within the next
:01:54. > :01:55.couple of hours he will go to Buckingham Palace to me to the Queen
:01:56. > :02:02.where he will formally tendered his resignation. After that Theresa May
:02:03. > :02:07.will go to Buckingham Palace and she will be offered the job of Prime
:02:08. > :02:11.Minister. Obviously, she will accept. Their prime ministerial car
:02:12. > :02:15.will then arrive in Downing Street and she will say a few words before
:02:16. > :02:20.she gets ahead with the job of forming her Cabinet.
:02:21. > :02:24.Key roles she wants to get sorted out tonight are the job of
:02:25. > :02:28.Chancellor, Foreign Secretary and the job she is doing at the moment,
:02:29. > :02:33.and will only do for a couple more hours, the job of Home Secretary.
:02:34. > :02:37.Perhaps crucial to all of this, and the reason we are where we are at
:02:38. > :02:42.the moment she will have 2.8 Cabinet Minister for Brexit to help with the
:02:43. > :02:46.negotiations of taking the EU out of the UPN union. It is worth
:02:47. > :02:52.remembering that less than three weeks on, it is less than three
:02:53. > :02:57.weeks since that EU referendum, which, quite frankly, has changed
:02:58. > :03:04.everything in British politics. What about David Cameron? Obviously,
:03:05. > :03:08.MP were lining up earlier to say that everything good that ever
:03:09. > :03:13.happened in Britain was down to him and being terribly polite. But his
:03:14. > :03:18.legacy is ambiguous, isn't it? It is in the short-term, today it
:03:19. > :03:22.was not so much Prime Minister's Questions as Prime Minister stand
:03:23. > :03:28.up. He made lots of jokes and lots of people were happy to act as his
:03:29. > :03:34.file. He was quite enjoying it. He was demob happy. Certainly, in the
:03:35. > :03:38.short term, his legacy is going to be a Prime Minister who held a
:03:39. > :03:45.referendum on Britain's's place within the EU, and from his point of
:03:46. > :03:48.view, lost. His legacy, at least in the short-term, will be the Prime
:03:49. > :03:54.Minister who helped insure Britain left the EU. He was the Prime
:03:55. > :03:59.Minister who will bet the farm on black and it came in red. Maybe
:04:00. > :04:04.history will be a little kinder to him as the Prime Minister who came
:04:05. > :04:08.in in 2010 as part of a Coalition Government and made a lots of hard
:04:09. > :04:14.economic reforms after recession. He was the Prime Minister in 2014,
:04:15. > :04:17.who managed to win a Scottish independence referendum and keep
:04:18. > :04:23.Scotland within the union. Because of that referendum and everything
:04:24. > :04:26.that has unleashed, we may well find there is a second Scottish
:04:27. > :04:28.independence referendum in years to come, and at the moment, I don't
:04:29. > :04:32.independence referendum in years to think anyone would predict what the
:04:33. > :04:38.result of that would be. It has been a Julie momentous three
:04:39. > :04:41.weeks in British politics. And, certainly, those who are writing his
:04:42. > :04:46.political obituary would be starting off with that phrase, the Prime
:04:47. > :04:53.Minister who gambled and two last Briton's place in the EU. We will be
:04:54. > :04:58.back with you later. But first, there were rowdy and witty exchanges
:04:59. > :05:02.between David Cameron and the lead in of labour, Jeremy Corbyn as he
:05:03. > :05:09.addressed the leadership battle in both parties and the economy. Mr
:05:10. > :05:13.Speaker, I have been listening carefully to what the Home Secretary
:05:14. > :05:15.has been saying over the last few days.
:05:16. > :05:19.She said it is harder than ever for young people to buy their first
:05:20. > :05:23.house. So does the Prime Minister think this is because of record low
:05:24. > :05:26.house-building or the apparent belief that ?450,000 is an
:05:27. > :05:32.affordable starter home? belief that ?450,000 is an
:05:33. > :05:37.First of all, let me say at the dispatch box, how warmly
:05:38. > :05:42.congratulate the Home Secretary... And when it comes to women Prime
:05:43. > :05:48.Minister is, I am very pleased to say that pretty soon it is going to
:05:49. > :05:58.be to nil. And not a pink bus insight! On the issue of, on the
:05:59. > :06:03.issue of housing and homelessness, as I have said, 700,000 homes have
:06:04. > :06:07.been delivered. He asked about the issue of affordability which is
:06:08. > :06:10.absolutely key. When I became premise, because of what had
:06:11. > :06:14.happened to the mortgage market a first-time buyer needed as much as
:06:15. > :06:18.?30,000 to put a deposit down. Because of a combination of help to
:06:19. > :06:22.buy and shared ownership some people are able to get on the housing
:06:23. > :06:28.ladder with a deposit of as little as ?2000 and a low rate. We are
:06:29. > :06:37.making good progress. -- low mortgage rate. The Home Secretary
:06:38. > :06:42.said, talking of the economy, she said so that it really does work for
:06:43. > :06:46.everyone, because it is apparent to anyone in touch with the real world
:06:47. > :06:51.that people do not feel our economy works that way. Isn't she writes,
:06:52. > :06:56.that too many people, into many places in Britain feel that the
:06:57. > :07:00.economy has been destroyed in the towns they are in because industries
:07:01. > :07:04.have gone, there are levels of high unemployment and a deep sense of
:07:05. > :07:10.malaise. Don't we all need to address that question?
:07:11. > :07:14.If we are going to talk about the economic record lets get the facts
:07:15. > :07:19.straight. We cut the deficit by two thirds. 2.5 million more people in
:07:20. > :07:24.our country are in work. 2.9 million apprentices, apprenticeships have
:07:25. > :07:30.been trained under this government and when it comes to poverty,
:07:31. > :07:34.300,000 fewer people in relative poverty, 100,000 fewer children out
:07:35. > :07:38.of poverty, and to be accused of sloth in delivery by the Right
:07:39. > :07:45.honorable gentleman, let's just take the both week we've had been these
:07:46. > :07:48.leadership elections. We've had competition, Coronation and they
:07:49. > :08:00.haven't even decided what the rules are yet! If they ever got into power
:08:01. > :08:08.it would take a year to wake out who would sit where! Democracy is an
:08:09. > :08:15.excited and splendid thing and they are enjoying every moment of it! But
:08:16. > :08:24.I've got a question from me now, no, hang on... It is a question from
:08:25. > :08:28.somebody who deserves an answer. She says I would like to know if there
:08:29. > :08:33.is any possibility that a European Union citizen who has lived in
:08:34. > :08:37.Britain for 30 years can have their rights of permanent residents
:08:38. > :08:43.revoked or deported depending on the Brexit negotiations? There has been
:08:44. > :08:47.no clear answer to this question. It is one that worries a very large
:08:48. > :08:51.number of people, and it would be good if in his last question Time
:08:52. > :08:57.the Prime Minister could at least offer some assurance of those
:08:58. > :09:00.people. Let me reassure Nina Amir is no
:09:01. > :09:05.chance of that happening to someone in those circumstances. We are
:09:06. > :09:09.working hard to give a guaranteed to EU citizens that they will have
:09:10. > :09:14.their rights respected, or those who have come to this country. The only
:09:15. > :09:15.circumstance I could ever envisage a future government trying to undo
:09:16. > :09:21.that guarantee would be if Britain future government trying to undo
:09:22. > :09:26.is thousands in other European countries did not have that right.
:09:27. > :09:30.It is important to have reciprocity. We are working to give that
:09:31. > :09:39.guarantee as fast as we can. And glad he mentions e-mail, I've got an
:09:40. > :09:44.e-mail as well. JEERING I got this on 16th of September 2015 and she
:09:45. > :09:49.said please, please keep dignity during triumphalism with Jeremy
:09:50. > :09:53.Corbyn. She gave this reason, she said, because Tom Watson who may
:09:54. > :09:57.oust Jeremy Corbyn is a different kettle of fish. He is experienced,
:09:58. > :10:01.organise and more dangerous in the long term. She goes on to say that
:10:02. > :10:06.that Mr Corbyn create his own party long term. She goes on to say that
:10:07. > :10:07.disunity. After this is over, I'm going to find Judith and find out
:10:08. > :10:28.what happens next! of asking the Prime Minister 179
:10:29. > :10:32.questions. And, thank you, there are plenty more to come to his
:10:33. > :10:39.successor, don't worry about that! But before I ask him the last
:10:40. > :10:41.question, could I just put it on record, and wish him well, as he
:10:42. > :10:45.question, could I just put it on leaves this office and wished his
:10:46. > :10:49.family well, Samantha and the children, because I think we should
:10:50. > :10:53.all recognise that while many Reds really do enjoy our jobs and
:10:54. > :10:58.political life, it is the loved ones near to us and our families that
:10:59. > :11:05.enormous sacrifices so we might be able to do this. I would also like
:11:06. > :11:10.him to pass on my thanks to her mum for her advice about ties and songs.
:11:11. > :11:15.It is extremely kind of her. I would be grateful if he would pass that on
:11:16. > :11:24.to her personally! I am reflecting on the left and she offered. Angus
:11:25. > :11:27.Robertson. Thank you, I join the prime Minster and the leader of the
:11:28. > :11:33.Labour Party in paying tribute to all the winners at Wimbledon. This
:11:34. > :11:38.week we mark the 21st anniversary of the genocide in Bosnia. It is one of
:11:39. > :11:42.the few political causes that the primaries and I both will heartily
:11:43. > :11:46.support. I hope he will be impressing on his successor the
:11:47. > :11:53.importance of supporting the remembrance 's of that area.
:11:54. > :11:57.Notwithstanding our differences, I generally extend my best personal
:11:58. > :12:05.wishes to the Prime Minister and his family. I wish them all the best.
:12:06. > :12:10.However,... Don't spoil it. The Prime Minister's
:12:11. > :12:15.legacy will a ledger to be that he took us to the brink of being taken
:12:16. > :12:21.out of the European Union so we will not be applauding his premiership on
:12:22. > :12:24.that. What advice has he given his successor on taking Scotland out of
:12:25. > :12:31.the EU against the wishes of the Scottish voters?
:12:32. > :12:33.First of all, let me join the right honourable gentleman in pain
:12:34. > :12:38.triggered to all those who lost their lives in the genocide and
:12:39. > :12:41.making sure we commemorate properly. There will be a service in the
:12:42. > :12:45.Foreign Office where testimony will be read out. We should think of it
:12:46. > :12:50.alongside the terrible events of modern history such as the Holocaust
:12:51. > :12:54.and think of it in that way. It also reminds us, as we debate in this
:12:55. > :12:57.house, there is a prize went to mention but there is also a price
:12:58. > :13:02.for nonintervention and we should remember that. In terms of what he
:13:03. > :13:07.said about Scotland, the UK and Europe, my advice to my successor
:13:08. > :13:11.who is a brilliant negotiator is that we should try to be as close to
:13:12. > :13:15.the European Union as we can be for the benefits of trade, cooperation
:13:16. > :13:17.and Security. The channel will not get any wider once we leave the
:13:18. > :13:20.European Union and that is the relationship we should seek. It
:13:21. > :13:25.would be good for the UK and good Scotland.
:13:26. > :13:28.I will miss the roar of the cloud and the barbs from the opposition
:13:29. > :13:31.but I will be willing you want. I don't just mean winning on the new
:13:32. > :13:37.Prime Minister at this dispatch box or willing on the front bench,
:13:38. > :13:40.defending the manifesto I had to put together. I mean winning all of you
:13:41. > :13:45.want. People come here with huge passion for the issues they care
:13:46. > :13:49.about. They come here with love for the constituencies they represent,
:13:50. > :13:54.and willing on this place, because, yes, we can't be pretty tough and
:13:55. > :13:58.challenge leaders, but, perhaps more than other countries, and that is
:13:59. > :14:03.something we should be proud of and keypad. I hope you all keep at it
:14:04. > :14:07.and I will be Iwan as you do. The last thing I will say is that you
:14:08. > :14:11.can achieve a lot of things in politics, you can get a lot of
:14:12. > :14:15.things done. And that is what it is all about. Nothing is really
:14:16. > :14:17.impossible if you put your mind to it, after all, as they once said. I
:14:18. > :14:40.was the future once. I am joined this afternoon by Robbie
:14:41. > :14:44.Dinwoodie and the political editor of the career, Kieran Andrews. David
:14:45. > :14:48.Cameron, he was either genuinely enjoying the upper doing a very good
:14:49. > :14:53.impersonation of genuinely enjoying it. He did not quite go away humming
:14:54. > :14:58.a tune to himself, but I think he did enjoy it. Having recognised --
:14:59. > :15:03.reconciled to the shock of three weeks ago, he was tearful at his
:15:04. > :15:07.resignation, almost broke and he looked at that point, but he seems
:15:08. > :15:14.to have come to terms with that and I think today he enjoyed that last
:15:15. > :15:17.set piece. The history books might not be so kind. He will go down as
:15:18. > :15:22.the man who lost Britain's place in the EU. He didn't expect that but he
:15:23. > :15:27.will probably have imagined that had he not put the commitment to a
:15:28. > :15:32.referendum in the last Tory referendum, manifesto, the party
:15:33. > :15:39.would have split anyway. Who knows how it would have gone otherwise.
:15:40. > :15:45.Will history see him as that this was inevitable or is he a blunder? I
:15:46. > :15:50.think he will be seen as a club on Europe. Europe will define David
:15:51. > :15:55.Cameron. Look at Tony Blair, a Prime Minister who did many things in
:15:56. > :15:59.office and called Tony Blair will be remembered for by most people is the
:16:00. > :16:03.Iraq war. David Cameron, you get one thing to define you as a Prime
:16:04. > :16:08.Minister, that is how the history books work, and for David Cameron it
:16:09. > :16:13.will be Europe and taking the United Kingdom out of the European Union.
:16:14. > :16:21.If there is an award for priceless expression of the year, we did
:16:22. > :16:27.nominate Tom Watson. His face when Jeremy what -- Jeremy Corbyn said he
:16:28. > :16:31.would be there to answer many more questions was priceless! The e-mail
:16:32. > :16:36.dug up from a couple of years ago by the Prime Minister played to that.
:16:37. > :16:42.Who knows what Tom Watson is going to be thinking about in the next
:16:43. > :16:47.year or two? Labour has got itself into a position where Jeremy Corbyn
:16:48. > :16:51.is inevitably going to win this next leadership election. I can't see any
:16:52. > :16:57.way round that. It goes to the membership... We are in this
:16:58. > :17:04.extraordinary position where it is the conservatives who are in crisis,
:17:05. > :17:08.the government lost the referendum, but here we are, they are about to
:17:09. > :17:14.form a new Cabinet, George Osborne will be in it, probably some of the
:17:15. > :17:21.leading Brexiteers will be in it. They will all be united. Labour,
:17:22. > :17:27.there is a sack, let's crawl inside it and fight as long as we can. The
:17:28. > :17:35.Conservative Party has a thirst for winning. That is why it has managed
:17:36. > :17:38.to manage a leadership election. Despite Andrea Leadsom drop a note,
:17:39. > :17:42.Michael Gove taking night Boris Johnson in the way that they did.
:17:43. > :17:48.There were fights for a couple of days but they know to be successful
:17:49. > :17:51.they have to drive on, to unify. There will be mutterings, people who
:17:52. > :17:57.aren't happy, but they know that is what they need to do to be
:17:58. > :18:01.successful. The Tory party, they have stabbed the Brexit leaders in
:18:02. > :18:10.the back, they have then stabbed each other in the back, fratricide,
:18:11. > :18:13.regicide, the works. Labour are having an argument about whether it
:18:14. > :18:24.Jeremy Corbyn should be on the ballot paper. There is a dreadful
:18:25. > :18:31.mismatch between many of the parliamentarians and the party in
:18:32. > :18:34.the country. The differences the governments and the parliamentarians
:18:35. > :18:38.of the Conservatives have found a way through that. Whether Andrea
:18:39. > :18:42.Leadsom was leaned on or for whatever reason, they find a
:18:43. > :18:48.mechanism to get to this coronation. They have got away with it. As we
:18:49. > :18:52.have seen, the NDC of labour have decided that Jeremy Corbyn does not
:18:53. > :18:55.require Parliamentary support and therefore it will go to the
:18:56. > :19:01.membership and we know how the membership will vote. It is not just
:19:02. > :19:05.about the process of Labour as much as the NEC. They can't even decide
:19:06. > :19:07.who they want to stand against Jeremy Corbyn. They have a couple of
:19:08. > :19:17.who they want to stand against unity candidates! That is why this
:19:18. > :19:25.idea of today that they should perhaps be a run-off of some kind. I
:19:26. > :19:29.bet you wish you were a solicitor specialising in Labour Party
:19:30. > :19:34.bet you wish you were a solicitor affairs! We will be back with you
:19:35. > :19:36.later. Let's go to Westminster word David Porter has been joined by the
:19:37. > :19:40.later. Let's go to Westminster word Scottish Secretary, David Mundell.
:19:41. > :19:47.Welcome back to a sunny and lively College Green. With me is the
:19:48. > :19:50.Scottish Secretary, David Mundell. A bittersweet occasion today a prime
:19:51. > :19:54.ministers questions. A Prime Minister who was obviously demob
:19:55. > :20:00.happy and the House of Commons that was thinking, Julie, he was not so
:20:01. > :20:06.bad after role. I remember when Tony Blair left. In many ways it is quite
:20:07. > :20:10.similar. The Prime Minister is relaxed, able to say the things he
:20:11. > :20:16.wanted to say, David Cameron made some good points about the positive
:20:17. > :20:20.things from his record. People were impressed by his ongoing commitment
:20:21. > :20:25.to public service, to the House of Commons where he is going to join
:20:26. > :20:28.the backbenchers. People recognise when somebody has given six years of
:20:29. > :20:31.their lives to be Prime Minister, whether they agree with the
:20:32. > :20:35.decisions that have been taken or the where they have conduct to the
:20:36. > :20:39.office of Prime Minister, they realise what an enormous act of
:20:40. > :20:43.public service that was. Members across the house I think they
:20:44. > :20:47.genuinely want to recognise that and allow him to say what he wanted
:20:48. > :20:51.about his family, about some of the things that happened over the course
:20:52. > :20:54.of his premiership. Politics moves on. In a couple of hours we will
:20:55. > :21:01.have a new Prime Minister, Theresa May. What advice would you give her
:21:02. > :21:06.about how she deals with Scotland? One of the things I am pleased about
:21:07. > :21:11.and why I backtrack from the start is that she is committed to the
:21:12. > :21:14.United Kingdom, committed to Scotland remaining within the United
:21:15. > :21:19.Kingdom. She will treat Scotland, the Scottish people and government
:21:20. > :21:22.with respect us by minister. Obviously, very early after becoming
:21:23. > :21:29.Prime Minister she is going to engage with Nicola Sturgeon and I
:21:30. > :21:32.hope they will have an ongoing engagement, particularly around the
:21:33. > :21:35.discussions with the European Union. We want a place the Scottish
:21:36. > :21:40.Government at the heart of those negotiations and I think that
:21:41. > :21:44.Theresa May and first days in office will want a mixture of that the
:21:45. > :21:49.processes are going to be set in place to make sure that happens. The
:21:50. > :21:52.fact that Scotland voted to stay within the European Union that it
:21:53. > :21:55.could be some flexibility that Scotland would get something
:21:56. > :21:59.different in negotiations than other parts of the UK? I am open to
:22:00. > :22:04.anything that can be brought forward that is in the best interest of
:22:05. > :22:10.Scotland that is not the to the detriment of the UK as a whole.
:22:11. > :22:14.There are specific solutions for Scottish concerns then of course we
:22:15. > :22:18.should look at that and tried to take that forward. I had not been
:22:19. > :22:22.anyway tried to stop or interfere with any of the initiatives that the
:22:23. > :22:26.First Minister is pursuing. As she brings back something that is
:22:27. > :22:28.workable of course we will look at that and work with the Scottish
:22:29. > :22:33.Government in that regard. What we all want to see is the best possible
:22:34. > :22:36.outcome from these negotiations for Scotland and the whole of the United
:22:37. > :22:40.outcome from these negotiations for Kingdom. You are saying to me that
:22:41. > :22:47.there is not a one size fits all for the whole of the UK as regards
:22:48. > :22:50.Brexit negotiations. There is some flexibility, say, about fishing,
:22:51. > :22:55.that Scotland could get a different deal? I think there will be
:22:56. > :22:59.flexibility. Everybody recognises that the European Union is a
:23:00. > :23:03.political organisation and if it wants to deliver flexibility is it
:23:04. > :23:07.can. That doesn't mean to say that it will. The nature of these
:23:08. > :23:10.negotiations will be very difficult. It will not be a case of us just
:23:11. > :23:16.rocking up and saying this is what we want and are being handed over on
:23:17. > :23:20.a plate. I think there will be some difficult negotiations. We will look
:23:21. > :23:25.to get the best possible deal for Scotland and the United Kingdom as a
:23:26. > :23:29.whole. I don't think in any way that is inconsistent. Obviously, what is
:23:30. > :23:33.not acceptable to me is the suggestion that Scotland should
:23:34. > :23:38.become independent or have another independence referendum is the only
:23:39. > :23:43.way to deal with these issues. Quite clearly it is not. We want to see a
:23:44. > :23:49.good settlement to the UK and to Scotland. Could that involve
:23:50. > :23:54.Scottish ministers for -- formally being part of the negotiations? I
:23:55. > :23:58.don't see why Scottish ministers could not be part of the
:23:59. > :24:02.negotiations. Theresa May will put in place the process that she wants
:24:03. > :24:07.to see. That means effectively there will be an ministry for Brexit that
:24:08. > :24:12.will be the focal point of the negotiations and discussions.
:24:13. > :24:16.Clearly, the Cabinet minister responsible the will want also
:24:17. > :24:22.engage with the First Minister and the Scottish Government. We want the
:24:23. > :24:27.Scottish Government to play as full a part in the negotiations as
:24:28. > :24:30.possible. Theresa May is still Home Secretary for about another hour and
:24:31. > :24:37.a half. She understands security things on a UK wide basis. Will she
:24:38. > :24:41.go above vertical learning curve about Scotland specifically? I don't
:24:42. > :24:45.think she will have to go on a learning curve in Scotland in
:24:46. > :24:49.relation to Scotland's place in the United Kingdom, Scotland's
:24:50. > :24:55.parliament and the Smith Commission. She is conversant with all of that,
:24:56. > :24:59.all of the devolution issues, the constitutional issues. Obviously,
:25:00. > :25:03.there will be specific to come up in Scotland that you might not be
:25:04. > :25:09.familiar with. We are keen to get a resolution to the issue in relation
:25:10. > :25:12.to third type 26 ships being built on the River Clyde. That is an issue
:25:13. > :25:17.that she will have to be briefed on. I am confident that cheer somebody
:25:18. > :25:21.who can take a brief and someone who will make sure that Scotland's
:25:22. > :25:25.corner is well and truly served as Prime Minister. That sounds as
:25:26. > :25:29.though you're fairly confident that you know pretty soon there will be a
:25:30. > :25:33.decision on that that perhaps Scotland will say, yes, we can go
:25:34. > :25:37.with that. I hope we will get a decision on a whole range of issues
:25:38. > :25:44.that will be in accordance with what we want to achieve from Scotland. In
:25:45. > :25:47.relation to Scotland, hasn't much of politics, there is more that unites
:25:48. > :25:52.us than divides us. Everybody in Scotland wants to see a resolution
:25:53. > :25:56.to the ship with an issue. I think it is possible to achieve that.
:25:57. > :26:00.There are a range of other issues in which Theresa May will have to come
:26:01. > :26:04.up to speed, but I think she is somebody that has shown to be very
:26:05. > :26:07.adept at taking on a detailed brief and somebody in whom I have full
:26:08. > :26:11.confidence that she understands the constitutional issues, somebody
:26:12. > :26:16.right behind the implementation of this myth commission powers and
:26:17. > :26:21.seeing the Scottish parliament become a powerhouse within Scotland.
:26:22. > :26:27.How important will the personal bee in negotiations that she has with
:26:28. > :26:29.Nicola Sturgeon? Without wishing to register the personalities, David
:26:30. > :26:37.Cameron, English, an older domains, register the personalities, David
:26:38. > :26:43.Theresa May, if you like a daughter of an English manse. Talking to
:26:44. > :26:46.another female, top politician in Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon.
:26:47. > :26:50.Obviously, the chemistry will be different. Yes, it will be
:26:51. > :26:54.different. They are both very professional. I have lots of
:26:55. > :26:59.disagreements with Nicola Sturgeon on lots of issues but I always find
:27:00. > :27:03.her to be highly professional in her dealings and with her dealings with
:27:04. > :27:07.the UK Government. She knows the issues which are politics, the big
:27:08. > :27:10.issues that we need to work together on for the benefit of the people of
:27:11. > :27:15.Scotland. I think they will be able to have a very professional
:27:16. > :27:19.relationship, whether they will be stepping down and having a lengthy
:27:20. > :27:23.cup of tea and a chat I don't know, but I know they will be able to do
:27:24. > :27:28.business on a very professional level for the benefit of the UK and
:27:29. > :27:30.for Scotland. Similarly, that first meeting will take able to do
:27:31. > :27:33.business in a very professional level for the benefit of the UK and
:27:34. > :27:36.for Scotland. , but I know they will be able to do business in a very
:27:37. > :27:39.professional level for the benefit of the UK and for Scotland. I think
:27:40. > :27:41.it will obviously be a priority of Theresa May to engage with the First
:27:42. > :27:43.Minister and the other devolved administrations because she
:27:44. > :27:46.understands the importance of devolution within the United
:27:47. > :27:50.Kingdom. David Mundell, thank you far joining us this afternoon, and
:27:51. > :27:55.for putting up with the noises behind us.
:27:56. > :27:59.I wasn't sure what to make of that. What are you make of this idea of
:28:00. > :28:04.the Scottish Government being formally involved? There was a
:28:05. > :28:09.couple of interesting things. One was, about the Scottish Government
:28:10. > :28:13.actually being part of the negotiating team. That is the most
:28:14. > :28:20.important part of this. Brexit is happening. That is going forward.
:28:21. > :28:23.There needs to be proper involvement from the devolved administrations.
:28:24. > :28:29.They need to be in the team so they can come back and see what is right
:28:30. > :28:32.for Scotland in this case. The fact that UK Government are opening the
:28:33. > :28:38.door there a significant move. What I thought he was quite cute with was
:28:39. > :28:44.talking about if Nicola Sturgeon comes back from her negotiations in
:28:45. > :28:48.Brussels with various EU Commissioners and leaders, if she
:28:49. > :28:50.comes back with a workable solution then they will take that on board
:28:51. > :28:56.and you never know what could happen. I think David Mundell knows
:28:57. > :29:01.that it's pretty unlikely to happen. It is a nice easy way out for him to
:29:02. > :29:04.be able to say the right things and appear that he is listening while
:29:05. > :29:05.being reasonably confident that he will never have to do anything about
:29:06. > :29:19.it. One of the issues that will come
:29:20. > :29:23.out, is, of course, immigration. I was struck by what David Cameron
:29:24. > :29:26.said earlier when he seemed to be suggestion that Theresa May's
:29:27. > :29:30.government would be working towards giving a guaranteed to all EU
:29:31. > :29:35.citizens resident in the UK, that they will not be deported. That
:29:36. > :29:38.isn't exactly what Theresa May, she was nodding furiously behind him,
:29:39. > :29:44.but that isn't exactly what she said, is it? When you say working
:29:45. > :29:47.towards giving a guarantee that isn't giving a guarantee.
:29:48. > :29:56.There is a lot of wriggle room there. They know this is an area in
:29:57. > :30:00.which they are vulnerable. The PR of seeing the first people who made
:30:01. > :30:05.their lives in the UK, have lived share for ten, 20, 30 years, been
:30:06. > :30:11.deported would be catastrophic. With that done what would happen to all
:30:12. > :30:15.the Brits who are expats in Spain? David Cameron mentioned that as
:30:16. > :30:20.well. The problem is they have tended to sound as if they are using
:30:21. > :30:23.the fate of British expats as a bargaining chip. That is why they
:30:24. > :30:28.won't give a guarantee for those European citizens living and working
:30:29. > :30:32.here. Until they are sure, I don't think they'll move much further
:30:33. > :30:36.forward. I agree with Kieran. They were two or three points made by
:30:37. > :30:42.David Mundell win it sounded like cosmetic concessions. They were more
:30:43. > :30:46.apparent than real, it would seem to me.
:30:47. > :30:49.What did you make of this immigration thing. Even Nigel Farage
:30:50. > :30:55.criticised Theresa May's position on this. She said, hang on a minute,
:30:56. > :30:59.she wasn't just speaking as any old person, she is the Home Secretary
:31:00. > :31:01.and she couldn't come up with guarantees because it might
:31:02. > :31:09.encourage a rush of immigration which, before the Brexit came into
:31:10. > :31:12.place. What do you make of what David Cameron said, he seemed keen
:31:13. > :31:16.to give a guarantee as soon as possible.
:31:17. > :31:23.He did, but he didn't provide a guarantee. He slightly bizarre line
:31:24. > :31:31.that the Government has taken on this, where you using people's lives
:31:32. > :31:36.as bargaining chips. I don't buy the rush of immigration arguments at
:31:37. > :31:41.all. People will move in and out of the UK for whatever reason, better
:31:42. > :31:47.public not from France or Germany, or even, you know, as the Nigel
:31:48. > :31:51.Farage mention Eastern Europe, just to bed down so that whenever the new
:31:52. > :31:58.immigration laws come in they don't get thrown out. It just seems
:31:59. > :32:03.callous, David Cameron is normally quite good with his PR. It has
:32:04. > :32:07.honestly not jumped off on Theresa May quite yet because it just looks
:32:08. > :32:10.really bad when we know ultimately...
:32:11. > :32:14.It looked very humane and David Cameron said and not at all humane
:32:15. > :32:22.when reasonably said the same thing, is that what you're saying? -- when
:32:23. > :32:25.Theresa May said the same thing? Today he tried to be a bit softer on
:32:26. > :32:30.it, but we know that they are not, Today he tried to be a bit softer on
:32:31. > :32:34.European countries are not going to throw all the British expats out and
:32:35. > :32:40.say, leave your pools in Spain and go back to Barnsley. That means that
:32:41. > :32:49.by the very logic David Cameron is using they will be no H on as far as
:32:50. > :32:52.they see, the UK to ask European citizens to leave. So why bother
:32:53. > :32:56.leaving the door open? You also have to remember that
:32:57. > :33:00.Theresa May has been quite a liberal Home Secretary on a number of
:33:01. > :33:04.issues, but not on immigration. She was very hard line. What you
:33:05. > :33:10.make Scottish involvement? One argument isn't that it is
:33:11. > :33:13.potentially a trap for them because they get involved in the Brexit
:33:14. > :33:16.negotiations and then the British government says don't start
:33:17. > :33:21."Independence, you were involved, you helped us.
:33:22. > :33:26.There is also a question of being a member of a team being vaguely
:33:27. > :33:30.involved in the room next year. In seats on the back but not around the
:33:31. > :33:33.table. It sounds a bit cosmetic at the moment, we'd need to see what
:33:34. > :33:39.the detail was. But it could drizzly be a trap.
:33:40. > :33:46.Our Westminster correspondence is in Downing Street, Nick, what is the
:33:47. > :33:51.latest from their? In about an hour's time we expect
:33:52. > :33:55.David Cameron to come out of that door behind me for the last time as
:33:56. > :33:59.Prime Minister. You'll take the short drive up Whitehall to
:34:00. > :34:04.Buckingham Palace where he'll have a fairly short, I think, audience with
:34:05. > :34:08.the Queen and formally resign as Prime Minister. Then it happens
:34:09. > :34:11.pretty quickly. Theresa May will then go into Buckingham Palace and
:34:12. > :34:16.have her own audience with the Queen where she will be asked if she can
:34:17. > :34:24.form a government and invited to do so. She'll come back here around
:34:25. > :34:27.6pm, we think, she'll make some comments and tell us what her plans
:34:28. > :34:29.for government are and then the real work begins.
:34:30. > :34:33.So she is Prime Minister from the moment the Queen says she is, is
:34:34. > :34:40.that how it works? From the moment she is in Buckingham
:34:41. > :34:46.Palace, invited to form do by the Queen, she will take that role. She
:34:47. > :34:49.will then come back here and put her cabinet together. Much speculation
:34:50. > :34:54.this afternoon about who will be in that. She's got a number of thing
:34:55. > :35:00.she needs to balance, who will be at her top table? A couple of things to
:35:01. > :35:05.bear in mind in the other door, who will be Chancellor? Will be in
:35:06. > :35:10.number 11 Downing St? George Osborne was vilified by the leave campaign
:35:11. > :35:21.during the EU referendum, can he hold on to that
:35:22. > :35:25.position or will Theresa May think she needs to bring somebody new into
:35:26. > :35:27.the fold? I expect that is one of the first appointments we will get,
:35:28. > :35:30.partly because we're into modules times and she'll want to keep the
:35:31. > :35:33.market steady. She won't want too much? Two is in charge of the
:35:34. > :35:38.economy. The other question is how many Brexiteers she gives jobs too.
:35:39. > :35:42.She wants to heal divides the Conservative Party and that issue of
:35:43. > :35:47.Europe which has brought down her three predecessors as Conservative
:35:48. > :35:51.prime ministers, what job will Michael Gove get? Will he stay in
:35:52. > :35:58.Justice? Will Boris Johnson get a big job? Chris Grayling has been at
:35:59. > :36:05.her white hand side for much of the last week, as has Liam Fox the
:36:06. > :36:09.former Defence Secretary. I think he is likely to be in that cabinet as
:36:10. > :36:14.well. Another issue to watch out for is gender balance, Theresa May is
:36:15. > :36:18.somebody has been keen and passionate in the Conservative Party
:36:19. > :36:23.to get more women into senior positions. I think she'll want to do
:36:24. > :36:27.that in her Cabinet as well, quite who she brings in and to what jobs
:36:28. > :36:36.we will be watching for the next 24 hours. We go back to College Green
:36:37. > :36:41.now to David Porter, David, we are going to have a new cabinet, to what
:36:42. > :36:46.extent, this is all very peculiar, as they really been a purge on the
:36:47. > :36:49.Conservative Party? If George Osborne, who until two minutes ago
:36:50. > :36:54.was being vilified as an architect of the disaster that became Brexit
:36:55. > :36:58.for the mainstream of the Conservative leadership, but he gets
:36:59. > :37:02.to be Foreign Secretary was the page does not go much beyond David does
:37:03. > :37:07.this? What we are all coming to grips with
:37:08. > :37:10.at the moment is the pace of events. Theresa May and her team thought
:37:11. > :37:13.they would have nine weeks of an election campaign in which they
:37:14. > :37:17.thought and hoped she would then win. We now have a situation where
:37:18. > :37:22.she would have had plenty of time to think about the cabinet she wanted,
:37:23. > :37:27.instead that has been telescoped down to essentially 48 hours. She
:37:28. > :37:31.knows to reassure the markets and to reassure her own party that she is
:37:32. > :37:36.going to have to move very quickly with those key positions. The job of
:37:37. > :37:42.Chancellor, Foreign Secretary and Home Secretary. Your specific
:37:43. > :37:47.question about George Osborne is quite interesting, isn't it? Do they
:37:48. > :37:51.do a job swap between him and be present Foreign Secretary, Philip
:37:52. > :37:56.Hammond, whereby they swapped roles, or is she going to be more radical
:37:57. > :38:01.than that, is she going to say, right, this is a clean sheet of
:38:02. > :38:06.paper. I have a mandate from the MPs in the Conservative Party, this is
:38:07. > :38:09.the way I want to do it. I have played second fiddle for some of
:38:10. > :38:14.these people for the last few years, now they will dance to my tune. Are
:38:15. > :38:20.we getting any greater clarity on what Theresa May and her nude
:38:21. > :38:28.ministration think Brexit actually means?. Local new administration it
:38:29. > :38:34.could mean anything from completely out of the U EU to a system where we
:38:35. > :38:39.are a bit like Norway and we have free movement of labour? She said
:38:40. > :38:45.Brexit is Brexit, but in that context it doesn't get as much
:38:46. > :38:50.further forward, does it? Know, and if you speak to people everyone has
:38:51. > :38:53.a slightly different view of what Brexit means. I would be
:38:54. > :38:58.extraordinary surprise if she is going to give us a definition of
:38:59. > :39:03.what she thinks Brexit is within the next few weeks. It is an evolving
:39:04. > :39:08.situation, and, you know, the gauche Asians are going to have to get
:39:09. > :39:12.underway. -- the negotiations are going to have to get underway.
:39:13. > :39:18.Article 50 being triggered blood is a whole new light on things. It is a
:39:19. > :39:23.work in progress. It is not where they want to be, but they are where
:39:24. > :39:27.they are and they know they have to make it work. To some extent, they
:39:28. > :39:30.will be making it up as they go along. At this stage I don't suppose
:39:31. > :39:37.that matters. The crucial thing is along. At this stage I don't suppose
:39:38. > :39:40.when they get a deal with the European Union and can work out if
:39:41. > :39:44.that is a deal Britain can live with.
:39:45. > :39:49.We will watch closely as to who is this new Minister for Brexit.
:39:50. > :39:54.That will be vitally important. It will be a cabinet roles or they will
:39:55. > :39:58.be a separate department for Brexit. It will be very interesting to see
:39:59. > :40:02.who she puts in that position, is she going to put a remain in there,
:40:03. > :40:06.no, you would think not so it would probably have to be someone from the
:40:07. > :40:11.Brexit side. One name being mentioned is the Leader of the House
:40:12. > :40:16.of Commons, Chris Grayling, he have to run the election campaign and has
:40:17. > :40:21.been very close to her over a number of years. He, philosophically,
:40:22. > :40:28.believes we should be out of the European Union, so it is a job which
:40:29. > :40:33.we see quite a natural fit. Liam Fox has also been mentioned. Then you
:40:34. > :40:38.have to decide what you do with the likes of Michael Gove and Boris
:40:39. > :40:42.Johnson. It is going to be with a fascinating game of political chess
:40:43. > :40:47.over the next few hours and days as to where she puts all these people.
:40:48. > :40:55.Does she want her enemies close to her order she want to promote punish
:40:56. > :41:00.them to the backbenches. Actually, when Theresa May outlined
:41:01. > :41:03.her prospectus the other day, it was rather interesting, wasn't it? It
:41:04. > :41:09.wasn't at all what people were expecting to hear.
:41:10. > :41:18.It's been said by many observers to draw a lot on post-war Germany, in
:41:19. > :41:23.terms of making a whole approach to industry and management relations
:41:24. > :41:27.much more constructive and that too was said more recently to be
:41:28. > :41:32.something Ed Miliband was keen on. She suddenly drawing on that one
:41:33. > :41:36.nation Tory is. The question is what has she been doing in the Cabinet
:41:37. > :41:41.for the last six years? That hasn't been the Government we've had. Is
:41:42. > :41:46.she going to make a clean break, a she generally looking to create a
:41:47. > :41:50.more social, one nation, caring form of Conservative government, order is
:41:51. > :41:54.this simply what was meant to be the opening shot of a nine week
:41:55. > :41:58.campaign, by the end of which she would have moved on? That has become
:41:59. > :42:05.the defining speech, because it has become the only speech as soon as
:42:06. > :42:11.Angela led some step down. We were talking about worker representation,
:42:12. > :42:18.was that not a paragraph about being dependence, the SNP produced a
:42:19. > :42:22.paragraph about the independence referendum. That was the last time I
:42:23. > :42:26.saw it mentioned. It was an interesting take on
:42:27. > :42:30.things. Sheer good political opponents who are very much seen of
:42:31. > :42:34.the left of where to reason many years. She is the person who
:42:35. > :42:39.famously warned against the Tories being seen as the nasty party. It is
:42:40. > :42:45.not entirely out of step with the rhetoric she uses. It's not...
:42:46. > :42:50.Sure, but what surprised me was she could have said something liberal
:42:51. > :42:55.about social policy. It just seems an odd thing for a Conservative
:42:56. > :43:02.Prime Minister, the day after tomorrow, to alight upon, was let's
:43:03. > :43:06.change the way in which she sounded like Will Hutton, let's change the
:43:07. > :43:10.way which British capitalism is managed. Let's change the way
:43:11. > :43:13.companies are organised so they benefit ordinary people and not just
:43:14. > :43:17.shareholders. And talking openly about closing the
:43:18. > :43:23.gap between top executive pay and shop floor pay.
:43:24. > :43:28.And doing it by legislation. That is why I'm puzzled. Where would
:43:29. > :43:33.she have gone next in the nine week campaign? That was the theme for day
:43:34. > :43:38.one. That makes it important, but what would have come next? That has
:43:39. > :43:44.ends up defining here and I wonder if she's actually a little bit
:43:45. > :43:49.uncomfortable about that now. If she strays too far away from the
:43:50. > :43:52.Conservative manifesto for last year's General Election, then she is
:43:53. > :43:57.no longer standing on the platform with which the party was elected.
:43:58. > :44:01.She's desperate to avoid another General Election, but she's got, the
:44:02. > :44:05.only thing she has in her corner for that is I was part of that
:44:06. > :44:10.manifesto. If she makes a big change...
:44:11. > :44:14.David Porter is back on College Green with a group of
:44:15. > :44:20.parliamentarians. Welcome back to College Green where
:44:21. > :44:27.I am joined by four parliamentarians who knows Scotland very well.
:44:28. > :44:36.Nicholas Stephen, Ian Murray, Alberto Costa... In political terms
:44:37. > :44:41.we have outwith the old, in the two new I different ball Theresa May be
:44:42. > :44:46.from David Cameron? I would like to first be paid tribute to David
:44:47. > :44:48.Cameron. I thought today as he ended his premiership he ended his
:44:49. > :44:53.premiership issued the House of Commons what a balanced and quality
:44:54. > :44:58.leader of this country he has been. I welcome the appointment of Theresa
:44:59. > :45:03.May as our new premier. She is a different person to David Cameron.
:45:04. > :45:06.An individual he is very serious. She is the type of person that we
:45:07. > :45:12.needed this time. She is calm and will get on with the job of
:45:13. > :45:15.fulfilling the witches of the British electorate following the
:45:16. > :45:21.referendum. I am confident that Theresa May will not just unify my
:45:22. > :45:23.party but more importantly unify the United Kingdom, talk to Nicola
:45:24. > :45:36.together to make sure the Briton's together to make sure the Briton's
:45:37. > :45:42.-- Briton's needs are met. Nicola Sturgeon, thank you for joining us.
:45:43. > :45:47.What type of Prime Minister do you want Theresa May to be as far as
:45:48. > :45:51.Scotland is concerned? Construct and respectful. I respect the mandate
:45:52. > :45:56.that she has. She said earlier in the week that Brexit means Brexit.
:45:57. > :46:03.England and Wales that is true. I respect that. I hope that she
:46:04. > :46:10.respects the mandate that our electorate give us to remain in the
:46:11. > :46:15.EU. I want to protect Scotland's interest and protector plays in the
:46:16. > :46:20.European Union. We have David Mundell on and he has floated the
:46:21. > :46:23.idea that in some negotiations the Scottish Government would be a
:46:24. > :46:26.formal part of the Brexit negotiations on things like
:46:27. > :46:30.agriculture and fisheries. Is that something you find interesting?
:46:31. > :46:36.Let's wait to see how these discussions unfold. I want us to be
:46:37. > :46:40.centrally involved. I want to stress that I don't want Scotland to
:46:41. > :46:46.Brexit, to leave the European Union because that is not what Scotland
:46:47. > :46:49.voted for. My priority is to find ways of detecting the place of
:46:50. > :46:55.Scotland in Europe. The UK discussions do not just have
:46:56. > :46:59.Scotland involved than that, but have to have us involved in a way
:47:00. > :47:03.that allows us to get all of the options on the table. That is what I
:47:04. > :47:06.will be seeking to achieve in a way that allows us to get all of the
:47:07. > :47:09.options on the table. That is what I will be seeking to achieve and I
:47:10. > :47:13.hope the new Prime Minister is open to that. If the UK Government was
:47:14. > :47:16.want to come in to say that there is more flexibility, is that something
:47:17. > :47:22.you would be interested in? For what purpose? In involving us in
:47:23. > :47:26.accepting that we would be leaving the European Union I would be
:47:27. > :47:30.betraying the vote of the Scottish people. My mandate is to seek to
:47:31. > :47:34.find ways of protecting the position of Scotland within the EU. That is
:47:35. > :47:39.not just the mandate from the referendum, also the man I got from
:47:40. > :47:42.the Scottish Parliament the week after the referendum. I priority is
:47:43. > :47:46.the Scottish Parliament the week to protect the interests of Scotland
:47:47. > :47:51.in Europe and our place in the European Union. My message to the
:47:52. > :47:54.Prime Minister a new government is that these negotiations must respect
:47:55. > :48:00.the differing views of Scotland and other parts of the UK. I'd met with
:48:01. > :48:04.the Chief Minister of Gibraltar earlier and he has the same view as
:48:05. > :48:06.me that there must be scope and flexibility in these discussions to
:48:07. > :48:13.allow different opinions to be discussed. How well do you know
:48:14. > :48:19.Theresa May? From what used to have seemed even good to have you can't
:48:20. > :48:21.do business? I approach any thing like this in a constructive way. I
:48:22. > :48:25.don't pretend to know Theresa May like this in a constructive way. I
:48:26. > :48:29.particularly well and they hope that will change in the weeks and months
:48:30. > :48:32.to come. We have deep political differences but we also have the
:48:33. > :48:37.duty each of us to work in the interests of the people that we
:48:38. > :48:40.serve. That demands from both of us respect for each other's positions
:48:41. > :48:47.and a willingness to work together where we can. Nicola Sturgeon, thank
:48:48. > :48:53.you for joining us. Let me carry on with the panel discussion. Ian
:48:54. > :48:58.Murray, you have just heard the First Minister speaking. It sounds
:48:59. > :49:02.as though she wants a grown-up relationship with the new Prime
:49:03. > :49:08.Minister. There has to be. One thing David Cameron was not able to do
:49:09. > :49:11.that Theresa May is to have a stronger working relationship with
:49:12. > :49:15.the Scottish Government and vice versa. This is a real opportunity to
:49:16. > :49:20.wipe the slate clean. Devolution can only work with two leaders working
:49:21. > :49:23.closely together. I have laid a motion in the House of Commons this
:49:24. > :49:30.afternoon to say that not only does Theresa May have to have the Brexit
:49:31. > :49:34.negotiations and Scotland's position with the EU, but there is a mandate
:49:35. > :49:40.to keep Scotland protected within the UK. Theresa May has to look at
:49:41. > :49:45.those two mandates, meaning Scotland must stay in the UK and Scotland's
:49:46. > :49:48.position within the EU must be respected, so the Scottish
:49:49. > :49:57.Government must be within those to go see nations. How important is it
:49:58. > :50:03.that the two women now basically in charge of British politics, Nicola
:50:04. > :50:10.Sturgeon and Theresa May, that they do get on? That they can have a good
:50:11. > :50:14.working relationship? It is extremely important. I know that
:50:15. > :50:18.David Cameron early in his new premiership came to Scotland and
:50:19. > :50:23.there will be a lot of interest in Theresa May going to Brussels
:50:24. > :50:27.engaging with Germany and France. The Angela Merkel relationship will
:50:28. > :50:30.be highlighted by the media, but I think the Nicola Sturgeon
:50:31. > :50:35.relationship will be important. Theresa May should visit Edinburgh
:50:36. > :50:42.and the Scottish Parliament as soon as possible, over the next few days,
:50:43. > :50:47.I would argue. For want of a better phrase, as good political PR, how
:50:48. > :50:51.important is it that Theresa May says, OK, I will go to Edinburgh and
:50:52. > :50:56.talk to you, lets see what we can agree on? Well Scotland remains
:50:57. > :50:59.within the United Kingdom it is important that there is a good
:51:00. > :51:05.working relationship between the Prime Minister and First Minister.
:51:06. > :51:10.Ian neglected to mention that there has been a significant change in
:51:11. > :51:14.attitude after Brexit from a number of people who were strong
:51:15. > :51:15.anti-independence supporters, if you like, people against supporting
:51:16. > :51:26.independence. Look at Angus, 55% like, people against supporting
:51:27. > :51:34.voted to remain, 45% voted this day. I was in the Remain camp. A lot of
:51:35. > :51:37.SNP voters voted to leave the EU. Yes, absolutely. We have to look
:51:38. > :51:44.into the reason for that without question. And number of Tory voters
:51:45. > :51:48.came out and said to me, I am getting e-mails all the time, saying
:51:49. > :51:53.they are very upset about it and pulled out against the world. We
:51:54. > :51:59.have to recognise that Scotland made it clear they wanted to stay in the
:52:00. > :52:17.European Union. Let's talk about Ian Murray. I am glad... We are going to
:52:18. > :52:21.be a very uncertain time. Nobody knows what Brexit looks like.
:52:22. > :52:25.Article 50 is not on the cards yet. Let's get away from talking about
:52:26. > :52:29.independence, talking about adding more uncertainty to the Scottish
:52:30. > :52:32.economy and get down to the day-to-day work of working together
:52:33. > :52:36.to see how we can protect the Scottish position in the EU and in
:52:37. > :52:40.the UK. Everybody talks about mandates that those of the two
:52:41. > :52:50.mandates that the people have given to the leaders. We have alluded to
:52:51. > :52:54.yet, but it is a point worth making that not everyone in Scotland voted
:52:55. > :53:00.to remain in the European Union. Almost a third which actually said
:53:01. > :53:05.we wanted to get out of the European Union. That is exactly right.
:53:06. > :53:09.Scotland is not quite as separate, quite as different on all of this as
:53:10. > :53:14.Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP would like to suggest. There are many
:53:15. > :53:17.people, colleagues of mine throughout the United Kingdom, some
:53:18. > :53:21.of them based here in the south-east of England who feel as upset as many
:53:22. > :53:26.people in Scotland do about the Brexit vote. Indeed, David Cameron
:53:27. > :53:34.is clearly a casualty of all of this. For all of the excellent
:53:35. > :53:37.performance he had today as Prime Minister, he will go down in history
:53:38. > :53:43.as the man who made the strategic mistake which led to the demise of
:53:44. > :53:49.his premiership. There are big issues are floaty and at a time when
:53:50. > :53:53.many people in Scotland, many people in the UK are very anxious about the
:53:54. > :53:58.future, anxious about jobs and the economy, Ian is right, people have
:53:59. > :54:04.to work together to make the best of a very unexpected and potentially
:54:05. > :54:07.very bad job. Whilst we are all talking about the Brexit
:54:08. > :54:14.negotiations, we can forget about the people who did the two Leave. It
:54:15. > :54:19.is up to us to listen to the third of Scots who wanted to Leave and
:54:20. > :54:22.address those issues. It is not just about the constitutional issues,
:54:23. > :54:27.there are incredibly important things we have to deal with.
:54:28. > :54:29.Tomorrow, the standing Council of economic advisers regarding the
:54:30. > :54:41.European Union is sitting for the first time. There we have a group,
:54:42. > :54:45.action taken by the First Minister, in an temp two explore all of the
:54:46. > :54:48.options available but with the main aim of keeping Scotland and Europe.
:54:49. > :54:52.It was a clear mandate from the Scottish people. People in the
:54:53. > :54:58.independence referendum are keen to talk about mandates there. I had a
:54:59. > :55:03.one-to-one with Theresa May a few days ago and we discussed Scotland
:55:04. > :55:06.and she is willing and ready to discuss the future of the United
:55:07. > :55:12.Kingdom and Scotland's place within that with Nicola Sturgeon. I am sure
:55:13. > :55:15.that Labour and the Liberal Democrats parties enjoy the
:55:16. > :55:19.Conservatives with this, is that the SNP Playfair and realise there is a
:55:20. > :55:23.large chunk of people who voted to Leave. We need to unify Scotland as
:55:24. > :55:28.well as the whole of the United Kingdom. As David Cameron said
:55:29. > :55:31.today, we will have a new relationship with the EU and let's
:55:32. > :55:36.hope it is a good, quality, strong relationship with the EU well
:55:37. > :55:41.respecting Brexit. It is worth thinking that we have seen the party
:55:42. > :55:45.of one Prime Minister today, and we will get a new Prime Minister later
:55:46. > :55:51.today, was it right that your party sat on its hands at the end of PMQ
:55:52. > :55:58.is, no applause? It did seem a little bit strange and out of the
:55:59. > :56:02.mood of the rest of the Commons? Angus, our leader, stood and
:56:03. > :56:08.commended the Prime Minister on his work, they worked together on shred
:56:09. > :56:11.granita and he wished him and his family well, but people need to
:56:12. > :56:15.appreciate the depth of feeling there is about David Cameron and his
:56:16. > :56:20.government and the effect of the posterity policies in particular on
:56:21. > :56:28.poor and vulnerable people that we represent. People come to us talking
:56:29. > :56:31.about the difficulties they have had as a result of those policies so it
:56:32. > :56:36.would be hard for us and inappropriate for us to applaud a
:56:37. > :56:42.Prime Minister with that track record. What you feel about your
:56:43. > :56:46.side applauding at Conservative Prime Minister? Nicola Sturgeon said
:56:47. > :56:53.last week that she wished him well and all of his family well. It is
:56:54. > :56:57.common courtesy for any politician of whatever colour to give him the
:56:58. > :57:01.recognition he deserves. I fundamentally disagree with him on
:57:02. > :57:05.policy and his ideology, but he served this country for six years.
:57:06. > :57:12.It is a tremendously difficult job. He went into public service for what
:57:13. > :57:17.he believes are the right reasons. I think it was right today that the
:57:18. > :57:23.House of Commons gave him that's applause. I think it was an
:57:24. > :57:28.unfortunate response from the SNP and it struck a sour note. Didn't
:57:29. > :57:31.have to be that way. This was everyone giving thanks for the
:57:32. > :57:38.public service the minister had given. We see deep divisions in the
:57:39. > :57:41.United States but at the state of the nation speech everybody applauds
:57:42. > :57:43.the president and could've been the same today and it would've been so
:57:44. > :57:51.the president and could've been the much better had it been. Thank you
:57:52. > :57:56.very much and for your forbearance of the noises off. We have had
:57:57. > :58:02.protest is, sirens, helicopters, we have not had been yet. It is just
:58:03. > :58:06.another quiet weddings the at Westminster.
:58:07. > :58:11.And you forgot the music, I thought you had a backing band!
:58:12. > :58:16.Maybe if you give us a request, they can do at June for you.
:58:17. > :58:22.Thanks for that! One thing that comes out of that is
:58:23. > :58:26.when David Mundell was talking about perhaps the Scottish Government
:58:27. > :58:29.would be formally involved in the Brexit negotiations he and Ian
:58:30. > :58:33.Murray mean one thing about that then Nicola Sturgeon mean something
:58:34. > :58:41.completely different. Absolutely. Nicola Sturgeon is right to be a bit
:58:42. > :58:47.wary, is ripe to dip in the toe but I'd happily signing up to something
:58:48. > :58:51.that could reflect badly on her, on the SNP. The SNP are good at playing
:58:52. > :58:55.this game. We saw with this Smith Commission, they signed the report
:58:56. > :59:00.they stood on the stage and said we completely reject this. It would not
:59:01. > :59:04.be the first time they have managed to get away with signing up to
:59:05. > :59:10.something whilst saving political face and criticising it at the same
:59:11. > :59:14.time. If they turn down the chance of any involvement they would be
:59:15. > :59:18.criticised for that. What I think was clear is that when we talked
:59:19. > :59:22.earlier on about the potential for this offer being trapped, I think we
:59:23. > :59:27.can see clearly that the First Minister recognised it as such. If
:59:28. > :59:32.she is going to have any involvement, it is not going to be
:59:33. > :59:38.on the basis of helping to negotiate Brexit, it will be about how
:59:39. > :59:45.Scotland can avoid that. I want to end just by quickly asking you both,
:59:46. > :59:49.Theresa May could be Prime Minister until 2020 before she faces the
:59:50. > :59:55.electorate. Is that sustainable? Yes, it is, because if she sticks to
:59:56. > :00:00.the manifesto and get to have dined there is not a massive appetite to
:00:01. > :00:08.go back to the polls. I agree, there is voting fatigue. We have the fixed
:00:09. > :00:11.term Parliament act in place so I don't see why not. Thank you both
:00:12. > :00:17.very much indeed. That is all from us this afternoon. Our BBC News
:00:18. > :00:21.special continues now as we wait for David Cameron to make that trip to
:00:22. > :00:25.Buckingham Palace to tender his resignation and four Theresa May to
:00:26. > :00:26.arrive at Downing Street is new Prime Minister. Let's hang back to
:00:27. > :00:30.Westminster and June Edwards. a lot about that, about making the
:00:31. > :00:36.economy work for everybody - for those who
:00:37. > :00:39.that, about making the economy work for everybody. For those who don't
:00:40. > :00:40.have as much as others. How far she can go down