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:00:18. > :00:22.Hello and welcome to politics Scotland, coming up on the

:00:23. > :00:25.programme. The green shots continue to peep

:00:26. > :00:32.through, Scotland's economy grows again, we will look at the figures.

:00:33. > :00:38.As we plough through the winter Labour call for a full review, that

:00:39. > :00:43.is our live debate in the chamber. And here at Westminster, bankers'

:00:44. > :00:48.bonuses are on the agenda again. It's a poisoned chalice or a sign

:00:49. > :00:54.the economy is stepping up a gear. The Scottish economy grew by 0.7% in

:00:55. > :00:56.the third quarter of last year according to figures from the

:00:57. > :01:00.Scottish Government. There were similar rates of growth across

:01:01. > :01:05.service, production and construction sectors. This represents the sixth

:01:06. > :01:09.quarter of growth as the recovery has picked up. A trend welcomed by

:01:10. > :01:13.the Finance Secretary John Swinney. The figures on the development and

:01:14. > :01:17.growth in the Scottish economy are encouraging. They show over the last

:01:18. > :01:21.six quarters sustained and accelerating growth in the Scottish

:01:22. > :01:26.economy, and we have reached a point where the annual growth in the

:01:27. > :01:29.Scottish economy is at 2.1%, so this is further reinforcement of the fact

:01:30. > :01:36.that the Scottish economy is recovering, we have seen that in the

:01:37. > :01:40.labour market. We have seen that in the gross domestic product. We are

:01:41. > :01:50.joined by Douglas Fraser and by our commentator for the afternoon, the

:01:51. > :01:55.columnist Jerome Kerviel. Dug la, it seem -- George Kerr van. It is

:01:56. > :01:59.historical. They take a long time to give us the figure, this this is for

:02:00. > :02:03.the third quarter. It doesn't come as a huge surprise, it is reassuring

:02:04. > :02:08.it is the right number we are looking for. It is in line what the

:02:09. > :02:12.UK as a whole saw. The difference explained by construction. Which

:02:13. > :02:16.with all this help to buy and the improvement in the housing market

:02:17. > :02:21.has been helped a great deal, a big boost in the UK, a more modest boost

:02:22. > :02:25.in line with everything else with the services sector, the production

:02:26. > :02:30.sector in Scotland, that would probably explain that gap there was.

:02:31. > :02:34.These summer autumn months were good from the other indicators we had,

:02:35. > :02:38.the next question is what happens next. The 28th January we find out

:02:39. > :02:42.about the fourth quarter for the whole of the UK, they are faster in

:02:43. > :02:46.giving us these figures that the Scottish Government is, and there is

:02:47. > :02:50.some signs that may come off the boil a bit. The accelerating

:02:51. > :02:55.recovery that we have seen may not continue, particularly in Scotland,

:02:56. > :03:00.we saw purchasing managers for December were a bit weaker. There is

:03:01. > :03:04.still recovery, growth, I should stress but less strong than we were

:03:05. > :03:08.seeing in the period for the third quarter figures. The other factor is

:03:09. > :03:11.Grangemouth, which is a big part of the Scottish economy. The shut down,

:03:12. > :03:16.which was a dispute that lasted not more than a couple of weeks, firing

:03:17. > :03:20.it up meant the output was held back, we may say that reflected. I

:03:21. > :03:25.think that not be that great. There was a lag there. George, looking at

:03:26. > :03:27.the figure, how are they playing out the Scottish Secretary is saying

:03:28. > :03:31.that is what Scotland can achieve as part of the UK, the Finance

:03:32. > :03:36.Secretary is saying well, Scotland needs independence to achieve its

:03:37. > :03:40.full potential? Good growth figures are positive for the party in

:03:41. > :03:44.Government, which is why down south you are seeing the Cameron

:03:45. > :03:47.Government is improving its poll position, so they are good for John

:03:48. > :03:54.Swinney and Alex Salmond north of the border. And I think the fact

:03:55. > :03:57.that John Swinney can point to six consecutive quarters of growth

:03:58. > :04:01.proves he is doing something right. One month one quarter's figures is

:04:02. > :04:04.neither here nor there, they are a bit crude, subject to revision, so

:04:05. > :04:11.you have to look at it over a period of time. I think, you know, just

:04:12. > :04:14.following on, there is a slight difference between what is going on

:04:15. > :04:18.north and south of the border, in terms of economic performance, what

:04:19. > :04:23.is going on south of the boarer is very much forced by -- border is

:04:24. > :04:27.rising house prices that came on the back of some emergency subsidies the

:04:28. > :04:31.Westminster Government put in in 2013. The growth in Scotland is

:04:32. > :04:35.slightly better embedded and that comes from the fact they put more

:04:36. > :04:40.money into capital spending over the period. Dug la, it is not all good

:04:41. > :04:46.news though, looking at the Scottish sales figure, disappointing December

:04:47. > :04:49.for retailers. Yes for retail, this is Scottish Retail Consortium

:04:50. > :04:54.figures, these are vital figures an were poor. If you look at the

:04:55. > :04:59.equivalent UK figures more than 2% growth. Scottish figures more than

:05:00. > :05:02.1%, a decline. Particularly for stores that have been trading over

:05:03. > :05:07.the whole year, it is known as like for like, it is a sharp fall for

:05:08. > :05:12.them. Both food and non-food. Now, part of this maybe explained by the

:05:13. > :05:18.difficulty that the Retail Consortium has in capturing online

:05:19. > :05:23.sales, not all of the members, the retailers account for where online

:05:24. > :05:27.transactions take place. Clearly, the Christmas period in particular,

:05:28. > :05:31.was a very strong one for a move into online, so that may be one of

:05:32. > :05:35.the reasons the figures aren't particularly strong, but retail, the

:05:36. > :05:38.consumer confidence was very important, really, to getting the

:05:39. > :05:42.economy going over the past six quarters that we are see, we have

:05:43. > :05:47.seen growth. It may be because people have been spending, you know,

:05:48. > :05:53.the average spending power of the average household has been curtailed

:05:54. > :05:57.by inflation, outstripping earnings, we have heard a lot about that. It

:05:58. > :06:04.maybe house holds are getting more cautious, the hope has to be other

:06:05. > :06:09.parts of the economy, export, business, they need to pick up in

:06:10. > :06:14.order to carry on where the consumer starts. George, let us finish off

:06:15. > :06:19.with one more stat. You could finish on a high, it was the news yesterday

:06:20. > :06:23.that inflation fell to the Bank of England's 2% target for the first

:06:24. > :06:27.time in four years. David Cameron was welcoming this, but I think you

:06:28. > :06:33.have a different take on inflation don't you? It is good in the sense

:06:34. > :06:39.that your pay packet goes further, here is my warn, low inflation means

:06:40. > :06:43.that debts are heavier in real terms, if inflation goes down the

:06:44. > :06:47.debt mountain that is holding the Scottish and British economies back

:06:48. > :06:52.remains in place and gets heavier, in real terms, so watch out for

:06:53. > :06:56.that. OK, George, you stay with us here, but Douglas thanks for coming

:06:57. > :06:59.in. Another political issue that is making the headline the abolition of

:07:00. > :07:03.corroboration in criminal cases is to be delayed to allow time for a

:07:04. > :07:07.fresh review of what other safeguards might be needed. The

:07:08. > :07:13.Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill made the commitment at Holyrood's

:07:14. > :07:16.Justice Committee yesterday. The century's old requirement it says

:07:17. > :07:22.evidence must come from more than one source. . This is about access

:07:23. > :07:28.to justice, I come back to the letter sent to the committee by

:07:29. > :07:34.Colette Barry, she wanted access to justice. When I met with her she was

:07:35. > :07:38.clear she would hope, would hope that that would result in a

:07:39. > :07:41.conviction. She would be disappointed if it didn't.

:07:42. > :07:49.But she would accept the position and the view of the jury. But she

:07:50. > :07:53.had been groomed and abused as a child, as had he sister, she had to

:07:54. > :07:58.live with the consequence, she is a bright and intelligent woman. It had

:07:59. > :08:03.affected her whole life in very tragic ways. She wanted her day in

:08:04. > :08:08.court. She wanted, she said to me, to look her abuser in the eye and

:08:09. > :08:13.say "You ruined my childhood and damaged my life." She would have her

:08:14. > :08:19.day in court and she wanted access to justice. Have you taken time to

:08:20. > :08:23.think about whether or not Scottish Law Commission or some other

:08:24. > :08:28.mechanism could be utilised to look at the judge's power, the size of

:08:29. > :08:32.the jury, never mind what a majority looks like, the not proven verdict,

:08:33. > :08:37.the use of here say within the trial, the dock identification you

:08:38. > :08:42.have spoken about, is a time to stand aside from this at this

:08:43. > :08:49.moment, and get this right for everybody concerned. I think there

:08:50. > :08:53.is time to get the new system of evidential requirements and the

:08:54. > :09:00.other aspects that you commented on right. I don't think there is any

:09:01. > :09:04.time to delay in getting rid of corroboration. Are you saying you

:09:05. > :09:09.could keep corroboration in the bill, but it wouldn't be ins for

:09:10. > :09:14.pending something else? No, what I am saying. You are not?

:09:15. > :09:17.Corroboration has to go. Believe that to remain the bill and we have

:09:18. > :09:22.to trigger that, we recognise we have to make sure that we get the

:09:23. > :09:27.landscape right, and the balance of the scales of justice right, to

:09:28. > :09:37.ensure that the due change does not come in until such time as we have

:09:38. > :09:42.got right, the, the new landscape for prosecution and indeed the

:09:43. > :09:46.judiciary to decide upon, when matters come before them. I

:09:47. > :09:52.appreciate what you are saying about this coming in later is there a way,

:09:53. > :09:57.perhaps I shouldn't be asking this, a way the committee should ensure

:09:58. > :10:03.that they look at this again, prior to, it would be in the bill, and it

:10:04. > :10:08.would be in the act but suspended animation as it were until such time

:10:09. > :10:14.as further evidence came back to the committee, to allow us to say "OK,

:10:15. > :10:18.now we have taken our time, it is better than trying to do it as stage

:10:19. > :10:24.two." Maybe I am asking the wrong question. I don't know. These things

:10:25. > :10:27.would be triggered by subordinate legislation but there are ways

:10:28. > :10:31.through legislation that matters can come back before the committee and

:10:32. > :10:35.indeed before Parliament, and indeed, I think from discussion with

:10:36. > :10:38.various people, including accuse deminutes that would probably

:10:39. > :10:43.provide for greater scrutiny than would be dealt with in any other

:10:44. > :10:48.way. That was Kenny MacAskill there. Let us pick up with George again.

:10:49. > :10:52.George, the essence there is Kenny MacAskill offering that review of

:10:53. > :10:57.what alternative safeguards might be needed if corroboration goes, why

:10:58. > :11:01.you think he has decided to do this now? Well, I don't think it is

:11:02. > :11:05.because he is flighty, I mean, remember he was a lawyer, very

:11:06. > :11:09.well-thought-of lawyer before he became minister, he has been

:11:10. > :11:14.minister for six year, which is a long time by UK standard so he is

:11:15. > :11:18.well bedded. If he doesn't do things quickly or without a lot of thought.

:11:19. > :11:23.He wants rid of corroboration, I think what is happening is that it

:11:24. > :11:29.has become the issue has become a focus of debate for other thing, I

:11:30. > :11:31.think the judiciary is feeling a bit under pressure, issues about the

:11:32. > :11:35.integration of the Scottish police force. It has cop a head on that

:11:36. > :11:41.particular issue, but he is not going to give way. Scotland is the

:11:42. > :11:49.odd system out, the women's movement is very clear that the cases of rape

:11:50. > :11:52.the cob rakes rule is dangerous and leads to bad side effects because in

:11:53. > :11:57.those crimes there isn't a witness to gi you the corroboration, so it

:11:58. > :12:02.is a matter of the debate about how we resolve the issue to put in the

:12:03. > :12:04.safeguard, I don't think council tax will retreat on that. It is

:12:05. > :12:09.interesting what you say about the judiciary there. There has been very

:12:10. > :12:14.strong opposition from them. When you say the issue is maybe coming to

:12:15. > :12:16.a head and they express themselves, do you think there are other

:12:17. > :12:22.problems with within the judiciary and they are using that to attack

:12:23. > :12:27.the Scottish... It has to be a conservative force. So that is good.

:12:28. > :12:32.So they have to be moved along slowly to catch up with public

:12:33. > :12:36.opinion, but I do feel that the mood over the last period is the

:12:37. > :12:39.judiciary feel that the politicians are encroaching, not just in

:12:40. > :12:44.Scotland but across the UK on their prerogative, and so they are

:12:45. > :12:49.defensive and they see this as the front line. This review will report

:12:50. > :12:53.back by the end of the year, but this does delay the legislation,

:12:54. > :12:56.doesn't it? It does, I am sure Kenny MacAskill would have referred to

:12:57. > :13:00.have got it through smoothly but he is a canny operator, and I think in

:13:01. > :13:04.the end he will get his way, but he wants to bring people with him. The

:13:05. > :13:08.review is not a review of the principle as your clip showed. It is

:13:09. > :13:11.easy to see if he can do a deal on the safeguard, so everyone feels

:13:12. > :13:15.happy with the removal of the corroboration rule. Thank you, we

:13:16. > :13:19.will speak do you shortly. Let us go to our live debate in the

:13:20. > :13:22.chamber. Scottish Labour is calling on the Scottish Government to

:13:23. > :13:27.conduct a full and comprehensive review of the NHS in Scotland to

:13:28. > :13:32.ensure as they put it, it can become a 24/7 service fit for the 21st

:13:33. > :13:35.century. Our commentator is standing by in the chamber at Holyrood. It is

:13:36. > :13:41.over to you. A minute or so into the debate now,

:13:42. > :13:44.as you say, Neil Findlay Labour's health spokesperson on his feet,

:13:45. > :13:48.fleshing out his motion, the thrust of which is a call on the Scottish

:13:49. > :13:51.Government to conduct a full and comprehensive review of the NHS in

:13:52. > :13:56.Scotland, to ensure they have a service fit for the 21st century.

:13:57. > :14:02.Let us hear what he has to say. The NHS would not function, and we

:14:03. > :14:08.ignore them and their concerns at our peril. Of course, health is

:14:09. > :14:11.fully devolved. Therefore our responsibility in this Parliament is

:14:12. > :14:16.to hold ministers to account for what is going on here in Scotland.

:14:17. > :14:22.As my motion sets out, the reality is that the NHS in Scotland, and the

:14:23. > :14:27.staff who work in it, are under pressure, like never before. Budget

:14:28. > :14:32.pressures, fewer staff being asked to do more for less, the social care

:14:33. > :14:37.system in crisis, bed blocking, waiting times increasing, a skeleton

:14:38. > :14:42.weekend service, vacancy rates up, cases of bullying and the use of

:14:43. > :14:45.gagging clauses to silence staff up. Junior doctors being left to look

:14:46. > :14:50.after up to one hundred beds while working up to 100 hours a week.

:14:51. > :14:54.Patients left on troll his and sometimes being treated -- trolleys

:14:55. > :14:58.and sometimes being treated in cupboards and only last week patient

:14:59. > :15:04.being left on trolleys for up to 13 hours. Let us not forget Scotland's

:15:05. > :15:09.shame of health and equality, increasing despite the rhetoric of

:15:10. > :15:15.the Scottish Government, southern pricing given the billion pound of

:15:16. > :15:20.cuts. In the summer I called for a full scale review of the NHS in

:15:21. > :15:26.Scotland. This call was not based on a whim, or for narrow party

:15:27. > :15:31.political reasons, it followed wide-ranging discussions I had with

:15:32. > :15:48.doctor, nurse, patient, trade unions and a range of stake holders from

:15:49. > :15:53.across the NHS. We need such a review to examine how we sustainably

:15:54. > :15:58.finance and resource the NHS. We need it to ensure we have the right

:15:59. > :16:04.people and the right places to meet expectations on the health service

:16:05. > :16:08.and we needed to reflect the challenges and opportunities of an

:16:09. > :16:15.ageing population. So, let us look at some of the evidence to support

:16:16. > :16:21.this call. The auditor general told the public audit committee about the

:16:22. > :16:29.Hiddink waiting times. -- hidden waiting times. Nicola Sturgeon said

:16:30. > :16:33.it didn't exist. He said the focus on tension was on whether the 18

:16:34. > :16:38.week treatment target was being achieved rather than how it was

:16:39. > :16:43.being achieved. That information should have rung alarm bells. Those

:16:44. > :16:51.in charge of the health service at the time, it was also the -- said

:16:52. > :16:56.that the NHS budget was on an amber warning and now we see how only

:16:57. > :17:02.three health boards met the 12 week legal treatment time guarantee. With

:17:03. > :17:10.nine of the 14 failing to meet the accident and emergency target. In a

:17:11. > :17:17.recent report, in 2012 and 2013, pressure had increased and the focus

:17:18. > :17:22.was on short-term measures. The health service, it was theirs, needs

:17:23. > :17:28.to prepare for the challenges it faces. One doctor from the BMA said

:17:29. > :17:31.that NHS managers have the unenviable task of managing

:17:32. > :17:37.shrinking budgets whilst trying to achieve a range of targets annually

:17:38. > :17:42.and performance standards set by the government. This means planning for

:17:43. > :17:46.the short-term and making savings from easy targets such as the

:17:47. > :17:55.workforce. He said it was not sustainable. Another said that the

:17:56. > :17:59.picture painted of the NHS is of it doing its best whilst creaking at

:18:00. > :18:04.the seams. Next year 's budget does not look set to change much in

:18:05. > :18:08.practice, it is not sustainable to manage the health service in this

:18:09. > :18:16.way as shown all too clearly by Mr waiting times and health care staff

:18:17. > :18:22.and an increasing reliance on bank and agency staff as well as the

:18:23. > :18:26.private sector. As a previous member of the health committee on a number

:18:27. > :18:32.of health committee meetings, the question has often been asked as to

:18:33. > :18:37.where the investment should take place all this investment should

:18:38. > :18:45.take place. Does Mr Finlay have any suggestion? He makes my argument for

:18:46. > :18:51.me. That is why we need an overall review of the NHS to look at these

:18:52. > :18:55.issues. To reserve five is absolutely rife, private sector

:18:56. > :19:00.spent is up by a quarter and the use of consultants on triple time is up,

:19:01. > :19:07.use of agency nurses is up by 62%, spending on Bach -- bank staff up by

:19:08. > :19:15.the 15% and vacancy rates for consultants are up. As one from the

:19:16. > :19:20.BMA said that medical staff are feeling under considerable strain as

:19:21. > :19:25.a result. Clearly, this is not sustainable. These are his words,

:19:26. > :19:30.the words of these different groups, they are not my words. Therefore, we

:19:31. > :19:36.have a duty to listen. We can see the pressures and the increase in

:19:37. > :19:41.sick days. In the last few days, this has come to light, the amount

:19:42. > :19:49.of sick days been taken in Tayside. It shows 24 and a half percent of

:19:50. > :19:56.all sick days related to stress. 16% in Fife and 14% in Lanarkshire. Of

:19:57. > :20:02.course, before Christmas, we were reminded of the tragic death of drop

:20:03. > :20:07.-- Doctor Lauren Connerly who died in an accident having work excessive

:20:08. > :20:12.hours in a week prior to her death. We cannot treat young people who are

:20:13. > :20:17.the future of our NHS like this and that is why I have called on the

:20:18. > :20:20.Health and Safety Executive to examine junior doctor hours and I

:20:21. > :20:25.hope the Cabinet Secretary will support that call. Junior doctors

:20:26. > :20:30.are often asked to work 100 hours a week. That is clearly unhealthy for

:20:31. > :20:36.them and unhealthy for their patients. I know they would talk

:20:37. > :20:41.about averaging out the working Time directive and the rest of it, but if

:20:42. > :20:53.you are working 100 hours a week you cannot function properly and deal

:20:54. > :20:56.with patients properly. We'll head to Holyrood for some political

:20:57. > :20:58.reaction now. I'm joined by the SNP's Christian Allard, Graeme

:20:59. > :21:01.Pearson from Scottish Labour and from the Scottish Liberal Democrats

:21:02. > :21:04.we have Liam McArthur. David Cameron has defended the government's record

:21:05. > :21:10.on banking amid continuing pressure from Labour about bonuses.

:21:11. > :21:18.Let us look at the figures now. Labour must almost be disappointed,

:21:19. > :21:24.looking at these figures, when you see what your friends beside you are

:21:25. > :21:28.managing to achieve in the Scottish economy? Labour is always pleased

:21:29. > :21:32.when some good news comes through. The problem as far as we will

:21:33. > :21:38.estimate is how fragile these changes are and whether we can

:21:39. > :21:43.commit to long-term growth in the economy and real jobs in communities

:21:44. > :21:47.who do not see any. Our fear is that much of the perceived growth is on

:21:48. > :21:52.the back of zero hour contracts and part-time working and low-paid jobs.

:21:53. > :21:59.As much as any growth in the economy is to be welcomed, it is not a great

:22:00. > :22:03.number. Better than nothing, but we would like to see sustainable growth

:22:04. > :22:08.and growth that will ring some degree of comfort to those who have

:22:09. > :22:13.suffered most these last few years. I think we have had six consecutive

:22:14. > :22:18.quarters of growth and when you see the inflation figures from yesterday

:22:19. > :22:23.going down, Labour 's cost of living crisis doesn't ring true true at the

:22:24. > :22:30.moment, does it? It might not to you in the BBC studio, but come down to

:22:31. > :22:35.the communities I represent and they do not feel much warm air coming in

:22:36. > :22:40.at all. We need a great deal more of investment in industry and jobs. It

:22:41. > :22:45.is good to see construction jobs are seeing some growth because often

:22:46. > :22:49.that is seen as the first signs of a building economy. But I don't think

:22:50. > :22:55.anyone is confident today that Scotland is out of the woods and we

:22:56. > :22:59.are getting on our feet again. Let us put that point to Christian

:23:00. > :23:07.Allard. Scotland is not out of the woods. To a certain extent, I would

:23:08. > :23:12.agree that we need to be cautious. The figures are very good and we

:23:13. > :23:18.have to welcome them. GDP figures and unemployment, not only are they

:23:19. > :23:22.very good, but the direction of travel during those quarters has

:23:23. > :23:28.been very good. Quarter after quarter, we push well above our

:23:29. > :23:32.weight and that is promising. Let us not forget there are difficult

:23:33. > :23:44.circumstances and we are managing to do very well because the Scottish

:23:45. > :23:48.Government. The last report from the Federation of Small Businesses was

:23:49. > :23:52.very optimistic and I am sure it is a good sign of progress that

:23:53. > :23:58.entrepreneurs are taking about a bright future. Do you think a bright

:23:59. > :24:09.future is part of the United Kingdom as the socket -- Scottish secretary

:24:10. > :24:14.was saying today? Part of the United Kingdom... Or part of the UK, it

:24:15. > :24:23.could be the same result. It is to decide what we can do here for our

:24:24. > :24:27.businesses here. And for looking after the communities. I live in a

:24:28. > :24:33.constituency which is very rich. One with full employment and

:24:34. > :24:39.particularly in Aberdeenshire and Aberdeen. I would like to see that

:24:40. > :24:45.across Scotland and independents can bring this. Listening to that, Liam

:24:46. > :24:48.McArthur, what you make of John Swinney saying that only with full

:24:49. > :24:53.powers of independence can we build a wealthier and fairer and

:24:54. > :24:58.economically sustainable Scotland? I am rather bemused, to be honest.

:24:59. > :25:03.Christian has just suggested that what we need to be as an independent

:25:04. > :25:08.Scotland in a United Kingdom and I can't see how you can square that.

:25:09. > :25:14.What we are seeing is encouraging signs of growth. Earlier figures

:25:15. > :25:19.suggested that we are on a trajectory that gives cause for

:25:20. > :25:23.optimism. Add to that figure is around inflation yesterday and some

:25:24. > :25:30.of the surveys yesterday of business indicating confidence is up. We are

:25:31. > :25:32.not out of the woods yet and we need a long-term sustainable strategy,

:25:33. > :25:39.but I believe that is a pattern which is set. Christian is also

:25:40. > :25:49.taking the credit for this recovery, but let us not forget that

:25:50. > :25:58.SNP ministers have been criticising Westminster MPs. You do say we are

:25:59. > :26:03.on a positive trajectory, but hearing from what Graham Pearson was

:26:04. > :26:09.saying, is it sustainable? He said .7% is not a huge amount. To be

:26:10. > :26:13.fair, it is stronger than most other economies in Europe. There are

:26:14. > :26:19.difficult weeks ahead, but the indications are that we are seeing

:26:20. > :26:22.growth over successive quarters with business confidence. We see

:26:23. > :26:28.employment up and unemployment down. We see inflation back to the sorts

:26:29. > :26:32.of levels which are a bit more comfortable, particularly in

:26:33. > :26:36.relation to the cost of living. All of these things combined suggest

:26:37. > :26:41.that, yes, we are not out of the woods but we are going in the right

:26:42. > :26:47.direction. Let us move on to corroboration. Christian Allard, it

:26:48. > :26:52.what is Kenny MacAskill up to at the moment with this new review looking

:26:53. > :26:58.at what alternative safeguards might be available? Is he getting cold

:26:59. > :27:02.feet? Not at all. The Cabinet Secretary for Justice has been

:27:03. > :27:12.listening to all the evidence we took at the committee. He is on the

:27:13. > :27:16.side of the Scottish Government to listen and ask for suggestions from

:27:17. > :27:22.the judicial system and a lot of people out there would be delighted

:27:23. > :27:35.to hear that he is listening. I hope he will bring back some safeguards.

:27:36. > :27:40.That is when we bring in the removal for requirements for accommodation.

:27:41. > :27:44.Has he been taken aback? One of the High Court judges is against this? I

:27:45. > :27:48.have been listening to what the media has said but if you follow the

:27:49. > :27:54.evidence we took at committee level, you will see that the debate has

:27:55. > :27:57.changed. There was a lot of opposition to the removal of

:27:58. > :28:03.corroboration and there was an understanding that it will not be

:28:04. > :28:12.removed as such but only the formal requirement for cooperation. --

:28:13. > :28:20.corroboration. What a Labour think at the moment? We are bemused. There

:28:21. > :28:25.was no reference yesterday to any possibility of an expert panel. It

:28:26. > :28:32.was only after close questioning and I asked him about taking time and

:28:33. > :28:36.getting this thing right that he finally indicated that he would

:28:37. > :28:42.create this panel and he would, indeed, slow up his progress. This

:28:43. > :28:47.whole area is a mess. Cold feet... It would be good if he did feel cold

:28:48. > :28:53.feet and not only listened, but actually responded to decent views

:28:54. > :28:57.that have been made to him, both in public and in committee, which says

:28:58. > :29:01.there are a great deal of problems here. It is not as straightforward

:29:02. > :29:07.as he was advised at the outset and we need to ensure we can solve these

:29:08. > :29:13.problems first and then decide on the issue of corroboration after.

:29:14. > :29:16.Liam McArthur, what do the Lib Dems think at the moment? At least the

:29:17. > :29:23.Justice Secretary is listening, isn't he? I don't think he is. I

:29:24. > :29:29.would like to think he is getting cold feet. What we are talking about

:29:30. > :29:33.isn't a minor, has met exchanges but major surgery to our justice system

:29:34. > :29:38.and the notion that he is now asking Parliament to back the end of

:29:39. > :29:42.corroboration in return for some ill-defined review thereafter is a

:29:43. > :29:49.nonsense. It is almost like those on a sinking ship throwing life raft

:29:50. > :29:52.over the side and having a discussion about what safeguards and

:29:53. > :29:57.other flotation devices they might be able to cling to. It is a

:29:58. > :30:05.nonsense and a mess. We will have to leave it there. All of you, thank

:30:06. > :30:11.you all for joining us. Let us pick up with this afternoons

:30:12. > :30:14.commentator, George Kerevan. We chatted about corroboration

:30:15. > :30:21.earlier. Jumping back to the health debate, we are heading back to the

:30:22. > :30:25.chamber shortly, the Labour MSP health spokesman is calling for a

:30:26. > :30:30.review of the NHS in Scotland and he laid out a litany of problems he saw

:30:31. > :30:37.with the NHS. What do you think a review might achieve?

:30:38. > :30:45.When they don't have ideas of their own thaw they call for a review or

:30:46. > :30:49.inquiry and I some day for one to expect to call for a inquiry into

:30:50. > :30:55.the number of inquiries there have been. The issue is at Westminster

:30:56. > :31:01.and Holyrood, all the main political parties have conspired to make the

:31:02. > :31:05.NHS a Cinderella and never contemplate any cuts. Only the Welsh

:31:06. > :31:09.Government has confronted that. If you never confront the budget issue,

:31:10. > :31:14.all that will happen is every year you will try and put more money into

:31:15. > :31:18.it. You can't do that because you have to spend money on other thing,

:31:19. > :31:22.there is an issue about how we approach it, but I rather doubt that

:31:23. > :31:26.is what was being discussed today, what was being discussed was a

:31:27. > :31:30.scroert call for more spending and that is not going to be forthcoming.

:31:31. > :31:35.It is a difficult issue for my Government. But the litany of

:31:36. > :31:40.problems including bed blocking, gags clausing, junior doctors

:31:41. > :31:45.overstretched, relying on bank staff, it does seem a number of

:31:46. > :31:49.problems at the moment and the Scottish Government are probably

:31:50. > :31:53.action to keep the problems under wraps with the referendum coming up.

:31:54. > :32:01.Is that is what he is trying to do? Trying to highlight some of the

:32:02. > :32:08.problems, that are a sense at a sensitive time? What has been

:32:09. > :32:13.happening under the Treasury cosh from London over the last six years

:32:14. > :32:20.and beyond that, is that the NHS has, the main budget has been

:32:21. > :32:23.protected, it has had to deliver efficiency savings as all Government

:32:24. > :32:27.departments have been forced to do, that puts the squeeze, sometimes

:32:28. > :32:35.rather, rather blindly on some areas rather than other, and I suppose

:32:36. > :32:39.that Alec Neil would apply if he had control of the budge he could

:32:40. > :32:44.resolve some of that. The more fundamental issue is there a crisis

:32:45. > :32:49.of expectation, health is one of the areas where budget expand because of

:32:50. > :32:53.technology change, and so there will be never be enough money to go

:32:54. > :32:57.round. Thank you for that just now. Right, let us dip Tabb back into the

:32:58. > :33:02.tham ber and listen to the health -- dip back in to the chamber again and

:33:03. > :33:06.listen to the health debate. The Health Secretary on his feet at

:33:07. > :33:10.the moment offering his response to Neil Findlay, he says the calls for

:33:11. > :33:14.a review are absurd, the criticism of the NHS is based on a lack of

:33:15. > :33:18.fact, and he says they know the problems and know what needs to be

:33:19. > :33:26.done. Let us hear what he has to say. There as been a 12 point 4%

:33:27. > :33:31.reduction in hospital standardised mortality rates. Of the 31

:33:32. > :33:38.hospitals, participating in the acute patient safety programme, ten

:33:39. > :33:43.have already achieved a reduction in HSMR in excess of 15%, with three

:33:44. > :33:49.already showing a reduction in excess of 20%. And Scotland's

:33:50. > :33:56.hospitals are far cleaner than they were under Andy Kerr, cases of C

:33:57. > :34:03.diff in patients aged 65 and over have reduced by 80.5%, since they

:34:04. > :34:13.were in power, and for MRSA cases, they were reduced by 88.9%, in NHS

:34:14. > :34:18.Lanarkshire an 88.4% nationally. And of course, we have also made

:34:19. > :34:23.significant reduction, in premature, not at the moment, premature

:34:24. > :34:28.mortality... Heart disease and stroke, through a number of

:34:29. > :34:35.initiative, in unscheduled care we are based in the latest figures got

:34:36. > :34:40.95% of people being treated and discharged within four hours.

:34:41. > :34:49.When you look at the performance elsewhere, in Wales the comparable

:34:50. > :34:55.figure under Labour there, is 89%. We have reduced waiting times

:34:56. > :35:00.dramatically for inpatients and outpatients. The time of referral

:35:01. > :35:05.has been reduced. The time people have to wait for diagnostic tests

:35:06. > :35:14.has been reduced dramatically, there are no hidden waiting lists. It

:35:15. > :35:25.quotes hidden waiting list, nowhere does the Auditor General refer to

:35:26. > :35:30.hidden waiting lists. In terms of the workforce it is

:35:31. > :35:35.rising in skills levels and we are treating our workforce properly, and

:35:36. > :35:39.dealing with any problems of harassment or bullying which I have

:35:40. > :35:45.said we take a zero tolerance approach to.

:35:46. > :35:50.So all in all there are problem, pressure points but instead of

:35:51. > :35:55.exploiting them and turning a small number of cases into a large

:35:56. > :36:03.national crisis, look at the patient survey and the satisfaction rate of

:36:04. > :36:06.nearly 90%, I can tell you it is a far higher satisfaction rate than

:36:07. > :36:12.the Labour Party has had for the last ten years.

:36:13. > :36:17.Thank you, if members don't keep to the times given we will lose a

:36:18. > :36:24.member from this debate. I call on Jim Hulme to move the next

:36:25. > :36:30.amendment. Thank you. I welcome the opportunity to contribute to the

:36:31. > :36:33.debate. Labour's party motion describes the NHS has the most

:36:34. > :36:37.valued and loved public ser servicing that is a statement I

:36:38. > :36:41.endorse, and I associate myself with the Cabinet secretary's Christmas

:36:42. > :36:45.message where he spoke of the extraordinary work undertaken by NHS

:36:46. > :36:49.staff across Scotland on a daily basis to improve the lives of

:36:50. > :36:53.others. NHS staff are the life blood of the Health Service and just as we

:36:54. > :36:57.look upon them to ensure our welfare in our time of need, they rely on us

:36:58. > :37:02.to ensure their welfare is taken care of as well. But the reality is

:37:03. > :37:07.that many front line staff are under extreme pressure, just last month

:37:08. > :37:11.the BMA chairman warned up that reports of stress and burn out among

:37:12. > :37:18.all grades of clinical staff are emerging across the service, this

:37:19. > :37:24.followed RCN 2013 employment survey, which made for alarming reading. It

:37:25. > :37:28.revealed 54% of Scotland nurses were working more than their contracted

:37:29. > :37:33.weekly hours with much of the overtime going unpaid. 58% reported

:37:34. > :37:38.being under too much pressure, and this should keep the Cabinet

:37:39. > :37:41.secretary up at night, 55% believe that they are unable to provide the

:37:42. > :37:46.standards of care they would like to, due to this pressure. When you

:37:47. > :37:51.continue to pile pressure on any employee, then corners may

:37:52. > :37:57.inevitably be cut. That might be tolerable in many professions, but

:37:58. > :38:00.when decisions and actions can mean life-and-death corner cutting can't

:38:01. > :38:04.be tolerated. We only have to look at Lanarkshire as mentioned before,

:38:05. > :38:08.to see why the Cabinet secretary should be and I am sure he is,

:38:09. > :38:12.straining every sinew to support the majority of nurses who believe they

:38:13. > :38:17.cannot provide the standard of care they want. Health improvement

:38:18. > :38:21.Scotland will move to make 21 recommendation, following their

:38:22. > :38:25.discovery of poor working condition, inadequate staff, delays in

:38:26. > :38:29.admitting emergency pay shipts and patients not being listened to. Why

:38:30. > :38:32.no definitive conclusions could be drawn, it is telling that quality of

:38:33. > :38:37.care couldn't be ruled out as a factor behind the unusually high

:38:38. > :38:41.mortality rates. At this point I must take issue with the specific

:38:42. > :38:44.part of the Cabinet secretary's almenment, in it he praises the

:38:45. > :38:49.Scottish patient safety programme and the role it plays in Scotland's

:38:50. > :38:54.hospital, I don't contest that point but I refer him to the health

:38:55. > :38:59.improvement Scotland's report, which stated that the review team found

:39:00. > :39:03.that awareness of the Scottish patient safety programme was low in

:39:04. > :39:08.the majority of areas it visited, with little evidence that staff were

:39:09. > :39:10.consistently applying improvement techniques, although there were

:39:11. > :39:15.exceptions of course, some elements of the programme specifically

:39:16. > :39:22.executive safety walk rounds are not in place and other key interventions

:39:23. > :39:26.need to be reliably implemented. So I presume it will be some concern to

:39:27. > :39:30.the Cabinet secretary that not only are there somel mentes of the safety

:39:31. > :39:35.programme not being implemented and some staff are not even wear of its

:39:36. > :39:40.existence. The Cabinet secretary must ensure that this particular

:39:41. > :39:44.finding is exclusive to NHS Lanarkshire, and not widespread

:39:45. > :39:49.throughout the NHS. These pressures staff are born out of many thing,

:39:50. > :39:54.the expectations placed on staff by Government, but staffing bottlenecks

:39:55. > :39:59.on certain wards, in certain hospital, and certain specialities

:40:00. > :40:04.across Scotland contribute. The latest NHS workforce statistics up

:40:05. > :40:09.to September 2013 reveal a significant increase in both

:40:10. > :40:13.consultant, nursing and midwifery vacancies.

:40:14. > :40:17.In just 12 month, there are an additional 70 consultant posts lying

:40:18. > :40:21.empty. Double what they were in September 2012 and with a 26%

:40:22. > :40:25.increase in the number of posts which had been lying empty for over

:40:26. > :40:31.six months. In that same period, there has been a 20% increase in the

:40:32. > :40:36.number of nurse g and midwifery vacancies with nearly 1400 posts

:40:37. > :40:42.lying empty and a 27% increase in those empty for over six months. The

:40:43. > :40:48.recruitment issues that the BMA and Royal College of Nurses continue to

:40:49. > :40:53.warn us should be one of the Cabinet secretary's main priorities. Has the

:40:54. > :40:57.member has an opportunity to look at what unison Scotland said when they

:40:58. > :41:01.say the we are please the Scottish government has listened and we will

:41:02. > :41:04.train more nurses in 2014? I am aware of that and I will come to

:41:05. > :41:10.that point in my summing up. I recognise it is not the whole NHS is

:41:11. > :41:15.brokered but there are points that need priority. -- broken. There has

:41:16. > :41:18.been a knock-on effect on NHS ability to provide treatment in a

:41:19. > :41:22.timely fashion also, I have highlighted this in the chamber

:41:23. > :41:27.before, the disparity in treatment times for cancers, not only in

:41:28. > :41:33.different health boards but type and make no apology for doing so again.

:41:34. > :41:44.In the most recent stat 95% standard was only achieved in three of the

:41:45. > :41:50.types. 9.6 of screens, 10.1 of urology patients and 13.4 of head,

:41:51. > :41:55.neck and patients had to wait over the 62 days for their first

:41:56. > :41:58.treatment. We will leave Jim Hulme on that day

:41:59. > :42:04.bait for the moment. You can watch the rest of the debate live on

:42:05. > :42:08.demand at BBC Scotland land's democracy website. David Cameron has

:42:09. > :42:12.defended the Government's record on banking amid continuing pressure

:42:13. > :42:17.from Labour about bonuses. During Prime Minister's Questions Mr

:42:18. > :42:19.Cameron said he would veto any proposal by the Royal Bank of

:42:20. > :42:24.Scotland to increase the overall level of pay and bonuses, he was

:42:25. > :42:29.responding to the Labour leader Ed Miliband.

:42:30. > :42:34.Mr Speaker RBS are expected to ask the government to approve bonuses of

:42:35. > :42:40.over 100% on multimillion pound salaries. Does the Prime Minister

:42:41. > :42:44.think that is acceptable? What can I can till him about RBS is we will

:42:45. > :42:50.continue with our plans for RBS that have seen bonuses come down by 85%,

:42:51. > :42:54.that have seen the bonus pool at one third of the level that it was under

:42:55. > :43:00.Labour, and I can confirm today that just as we have had limits on cash

:43:01. > :43:04.bonuses of ?2,000 at RBS this year and last year, will do the same next

:43:05. > :43:08.year as well. I think we can all agree with the

:43:09. > :43:13.general sentiments he expresses about bonuses but today I am asking

:43:14. > :43:19.a specific question. RBS are talking to parts of the Government, about

:43:20. > :43:23.the proposal to pay over 100% bonus, he is the Prime Minister. The

:43:24. > :43:30.taxpayer will foot the bill. Will he put a stop to it by telling RBS to

:43:31. > :43:34.drop this idea? I will tell him what we are saying, it is this. If there

:43:35. > :43:39.are any proposals to increase the overall pay that is pay and bonus

:43:40. > :43:43.bill, at RBS, at the investment bank, any proposals for that, we

:43:44. > :43:48.will veto it. What a pity the past Government never took an approach

:43:49. > :43:52.like that. Thank you, given that we have heard reports that half a dozen

:43:53. > :43:57.terrorist suspects could soon be released on to our streets, can the

:43:58. > :44:01.Prime Minister give an assurance that public safety will not be cop

:44:02. > :44:08.promised once the Government's latest experiment with terrorism

:44:09. > :44:13.controls expires? -- compromised. We will take every step necessary to

:44:14. > :44:18.keep the British public safe, I think that the TPIM measures are

:44:19. > :44:21.working well. It's a myth to pretend that control orders would be kept in

:44:22. > :44:26.place forever. Many people were taken off control orders during the

:44:27. > :44:30.existence of that set of measures and all of the time I listened

:44:31. > :44:32.carefully to the head of the Metropolitan Police service, and to

:44:33. > :44:36.the heads of the security service who were involved in drawing up the

:44:37. > :44:41.measures and who advice us on how best to keep the country safe. The

:44:42. > :44:52.leader of the op sings has said what Holland is doing in France I want to

:44:53. > :44:57.do in Britain. Given recent events across the

:44:58. > :45:04.channel, does my honourable friend agree with me this is at odds with

:45:05. > :45:09.our long-term economic plan? I didn't... I didn't catch all of

:45:10. > :45:13.President Hollande's press conference because I was in front of

:45:14. > :45:17.the Liaison Committee, one thing I did no sis is -- notice is that the

:45:18. > :45:23.French proposals are to cut spending in order to cut taxes, in order to

:45:24. > :45:27.make the economy more competitive. Now, perhaps the Shadow Chancellor

:45:28. > :45:31.and his new silent form will want to consider some of these ideas and

:45:32. > :45:34.recognise that this revolution of making business more competitive, of

:45:35. > :45:56.trying to win this the global race, that is a proper plan for the

:45:57. > :46:05.economy. The issue of bonuses is likely

:46:06. > :46:10.confusing. David Cameron does not agree with what Ed Miliband was

:46:11. > :46:15.calling for. Yes, it is a dreary College Green here today and I

:46:16. > :46:20.suppose bankers bonuses is an issue which will be a poisoned chalice --

:46:21. > :46:31.chalice for whoever is in government. Bonuses will be coming.

:46:32. > :46:36.As far as RBS is concerned, the bank owned by the UK taxpayers, if

:46:37. > :46:42.taxpayers are paying bonuses, that might be a bit of a problem. Today,

:46:43. > :46:47.David Cameron said there would be a cash limit of eight ?2000 bonus but

:46:48. > :46:51.he did not agree on a cap on bonuses in shares. But he said that as far

:46:52. > :46:57.as he was concerned there would be no increase in the overall amount of

:46:58. > :47:02.bonus payments paid. Why is that important? It means the global

:47:03. > :47:06.figure for RBS for bonus payments will not go up mainly because the

:47:07. > :47:17.number of people working for RBS has declined. It is one of those

:47:18. > :47:19.difficult issues for politicians in government and to discuss that and

:47:20. > :47:22.the other issues important to Scotland, I am joined by Mike Weir

:47:23. > :47:27.and Russell Brand. Let me start with you first. When you were in

:47:28. > :47:32.government, you got bashed for bankers bonuses and know you're

:47:33. > :47:38.doing the same to the Conservatives. Absolutely, because if we recognise

:47:39. > :47:44.that households are suffering and businesses are suffering even yet

:47:45. > :47:51.and the inability to grow businesses with the need of money from banks is

:47:52. > :48:01.not happening. Yet those at the top end in the banking system will be

:48:02. > :48:06.lying back in a way in which it really sickens the wider public.

:48:07. > :48:15.Bonuses are just unthinkable. They have no shame. I think that has come

:48:16. > :48:19.across loud and clear today. Mike Weir, you may not like the size of

:48:20. > :48:23.the bonuses but if you want a vibrant banking sector, and we know

:48:24. > :48:29.how important that is in Scotland and Edinburgh, you are going to have

:48:30. > :48:33.to pay the going rate. To a certain extent. We have to wonder if bankers

:48:34. > :48:40.have a sense of awareness. There is pain in the economy caused by banks

:48:41. > :48:45.in the first instance. There are scandals with embedded interest

:48:46. > :48:49.swaps caused by bankers. Part of the argument today is not just about

:48:50. > :48:56.this years bonuses but whether they will agree to European rules limit

:48:57. > :49:01.bonuses to just one haven't -- 100% of salary, Heaven forfend! Yes we

:49:02. > :49:06.need to have good banks and make sure they survive, but there must be

:49:07. > :49:12.a limit on what is a reasonable bonus. Surely anyone out there would

:49:13. > :49:16.think that 100% of salary is far more than reasonable. You alluded to

:49:17. > :49:21.the changes that were coming from the European Commission next year.

:49:22. > :49:27.What is your party 's position on that? I think the European rules

:49:28. > :49:32.seem perfectly reasonable. They are trying to put a limit on it. If

:49:33. > :49:38.bankers are serious that they will move away, it has to be done at an

:49:39. > :49:42.international level and this is a good start. Bankers are well paid at

:49:43. > :49:46.the top end of the scale at the moment. Different perhaps at the

:49:47. > :49:51.lower end. At the top end they are well paid and bonuses should not be

:49:52. > :49:57.allowed to go out of control as in the past. None of the banks are

:49:58. > :50:01.making huge profits at the moment to justify large bonuses. Sticking with

:50:02. > :50:06.economic matters, an important announcement from the Treasury this

:50:07. > :50:08.week that they would guarantee UK debts if Scotland votes for

:50:09. > :50:15.independence. That is basically truncating the Treasury's argument.

:50:16. > :50:18.Was it the right thing for the Treasury to do at this time?

:50:19. > :50:25.Absolutely because we still have several months to go to the

:50:26. > :50:32.referendum vote. We need to be sure, as a nation, that borrowing

:50:33. > :50:37.will still continue, those that might be in a position to lend to

:50:38. > :50:41.the UK... The whole system needs to be assured that we will not default

:50:42. > :50:45.on any borrowing so it was right that we laid the marker down and

:50:46. > :50:50.everyone out there can see that it will be paid for any borrowing which

:50:51. > :50:54.we as a nation and take. But does it weaken the Treasury 's case when

:50:55. > :50:59.they say they will not do any negotiation before a referendum? It

:51:00. > :51:03.is about the well-being of the economy and our ability to borrow as

:51:04. > :51:15.far as the UK is concerned. It is right to lay the marker down and

:51:16. > :51:21.they had to whether we will be good for anything we borrowed. It is

:51:22. > :51:26.right that we have done that and it is what was required by the wider

:51:27. > :51:31.economic world. Mike Weir, presumably you agree that it was a

:51:32. > :51:39.common-sense measure? Indeed, and it was put forward by the Scottish

:51:40. > :51:44.Government in a document. We have made our position perfectly clear

:51:45. > :51:49.that we are willing to negotiate with the Treasury and the UK

:51:50. > :51:53.Government as to debts and assets to be divided on independence. It is

:51:54. > :51:59.high time the Treasury took a sensible decision and they have

:52:00. > :52:03.started to do so. But they must make a sensible position and look at

:52:04. > :52:06.these issues. But your party has hinted that if it doesn't like some

:52:07. > :52:11.of the negotiations it could potentially walk away. What message

:52:12. > :52:27.does that send to the international money markets? We say that the UK

:52:28. > :52:33.and us would be willing to take on a proportion of the debt. Also a

:52:34. > :52:37.proportion of the assets. That means negotiation between the two parties

:52:38. > :52:46.to sort this out and that can be done relatively easily. Thank you

:52:47. > :52:51.both. The arguments over economics will continue throughout this year.

:52:52. > :52:55.But one thing, even in years when we have referendums on Scottish

:52:56. > :53:01.independence, two friends here are still willing to share an umbrella

:53:02. > :53:04.when need be! Thanks for that. Voters go to the polls in

:53:05. > :53:07.Cowdenbeath a week tomorrow to elect a new MSP following the death of

:53:08. > :53:10.Labour's Helen Eadie. Our political editor, Brian Taylor, has been to

:53:11. > :53:19.the constituency to see how the campaign is going.

:53:20. > :53:24.The name is Cowdenbeath but this constituency is a disparate amalgam

:53:25. > :53:35.of small towns and villages. Once, Cole was king but no jobs are scarce

:53:36. > :53:39.and precious. Defending a Labour majority is currently Fife Council

:53:40. > :53:44.leader. He encounters anxiety about employment visiting a club. There

:53:45. > :53:50.were six of 7000 men in that regard but not now. He insists he supports

:53:51. > :53:56.the council tax freeze up to 2016 and says he will be equally robust

:53:57. > :54:01.in Parliament. If I am elected, I will be a strong voice in the

:54:02. > :54:05.Scottish parliament speaking out for issues in this constituency around

:54:06. > :54:08.skills, jobs and education. These are the issues I will want to take

:54:09. > :54:16.to the floor of the Scottish Parliament. In the 2011 Scottish

:54:17. > :54:23.parliament elections the 2011 Scottish Parliament elections BNP

:54:24. > :54:34.won every constituency in Fife. Labour staunch the tide of the SNP

:54:35. > :54:48.avalanche. Labour say they are making strides. This candidate

:54:49. > :54:52.oppose the SNP. It is labours for the losing but we speak to people on

:54:53. > :54:56.the doorstep and we get an excellent response to the messages we take to

:54:57. > :55:03.people. If we can speak to enough people, I am confident we have the

:55:04. > :55:13.right message to win. The stories start third. Someone said that we

:55:14. > :55:20.have a big hill to climb. We are on the beach here. One of these deeds

:55:21. > :55:26.and we will break out and it might as well be now. For the Lib Dems, it

:55:27. > :55:33.is about attacking this Scottish government. People appreciate the

:55:34. > :55:37.fact that taxes are going down and people are being critical of the

:55:38. > :55:47.SNP. People feel they have the wrong priorities. UKIP say they are a

:55:48. > :55:51.fresh voice. We believe that small businesses are the lifeblood of this

:55:52. > :55:55.country and they should be supported. They should not have

:55:56. > :56:06.directives from Europe on their back. So it is about politics.

:56:07. > :56:10.Local, Scottish and the UK. There are seven... There are seven

:56:11. > :56:13.candidates standing in the by-election. The Victims' Final

:56:14. > :56:16.Right Party and the Scottish Democratic Alliance are also

:56:17. > :56:19.contesting the seat. You can see the full list on the politics page of

:56:20. > :56:22.the BBC Scotland news website. Let's get a final thought with our

:56:23. > :56:31.commentator for the afternoon, George Kerevan.

:56:32. > :56:38.That by-election is one that no one has noticed. It is a reasonably safe

:56:39. > :56:42.Labour seat and Labour are happy to keep the thing dampened down and

:56:43. > :56:49.walk away with it. The SNP are putting an effort in towards the

:56:50. > :56:52.referendum but as Brian said, if they couldn't win it in the last

:56:53. > :57:01.election it would be difficult to do it this time. And bankers bonuses? A

:57:02. > :57:05.difficult balance for any government to strike, isn't it? You don't want

:57:06. > :57:11.the bankers going away but you don't want them awarding high bonuses.

:57:12. > :57:17.David Cameron made a statement he will live to regret. His argument

:57:18. > :57:22.was that he would block any increase in the overall RBS spend on bonuses.

:57:23. > :57:26.Of course he can do that because RBS is getting rid of its investment

:57:27. > :57:30.bankers but it doesn't stop individual investment bankers

:57:31. > :57:35.getting more money. He has also caused a problem because he is

:57:36. > :57:41.opposing the EU legislation to place a limit on the ratio of high

:57:42. > :57:45.salaries, high bonuses to lower ones within the banking profession and

:57:46. > :57:51.unless that goes through it becomes difficult to block the bonuses. It

:57:52. > :57:58.is interesting this issue comes around every year. I suppose bankers

:57:59. > :58:02.say they need the bonus? If I was being offered a bonus of several

:58:03. > :58:07.million pounds, I would say I needed! The issue is not about greed

:58:08. > :58:13.and people feeling jealous of bankers. If people are paid absurd

:58:14. > :58:21.bonuses, they take absurd risks and that is why they have to go. Do you

:58:22. > :58:27.think they will go? They will because Europe will put a damper on

:58:28. > :58:32.it. Even under UK law, it can reasonably deny them under company

:58:33. > :58:38.law. It needs European legislation to put a brake on bonuses. Thank you

:58:39. > :58:43.for coming in and it is good to see you. That is all we have time for.

:58:44. > :58:50.We will be back at the same time on BBC Two Scotland and we will have

:58:51. > :58:51.more on the Cowdenbeath by-election. From all of us, have a good

:58:52. > :58:57.afternoon.