:00:22. > :00:26.Welcome to Politics Scotland. Coming up: The finance secretary
:00:26. > :00:32.opens up his books. John Swinney will update Parliament on his
:00:32. > :00:38.finances and any cash he has left over. Calls for sex education at a
:00:38. > :00:42.much earlier age from a Holyrood committee.
:00:43. > :00:48.And at Westminster, bashing the bankers. MPs agree that bankers to
:00:48. > :00:54.break the law should go to jail. Stricter that top story now. The
:00:54. > :01:03.Prime Minister has backed a call to allow criminal charges against key
:01:03. > :01:10.brand -- bankers... Lord McFall, the Labour peer, was
:01:10. > :01:14.one of the members of the Banking Standards Commission. What we found
:01:14. > :01:17.his standards are abysmally low, and culture is rotten. So we need
:01:17. > :01:22.to ensure that rather than collective responsibility which
:01:22. > :01:28.existed up to now, in other words we were all in it, no one
:01:28. > :01:33.particular was to blame, there is individual accountability.
:01:33. > :01:37.Penalties against bankers who claimed responsibility, I say yes.
:01:37. > :01:47.Also major banks are in receipt of taxpayers' money, and you can claw
:01:47. > :01:47.
:01:47. > :01:53.back bonuses though -- bonuses. am joined with Gillian Bowditch who
:01:53. > :02:03.writes for the Sunday Times, and Douglas Fraser. Interesting hearing
:02:03. > :02:03.
:02:03. > :02:11.from those characters involved in the report. Do you think this
:02:11. > :02:19.report will work? There is a lot more beneath this. It could change
:02:19. > :02:22.if it is adopted, and it is easy for politicians to buy a into this
:02:22. > :02:28.means of changing the culture of banking. The behaviour of bankers,
:02:28. > :02:31.the incentives they have got to behave the way they do, that is
:02:31. > :02:35.partly about personal responsibility or accountability
:02:35. > :02:41.for specific tasks, which would be driven into the banks. It is also
:02:41. > :02:47.about paying bonuses. That motivates bankers. If that is
:02:47. > :02:50.constructed with the help of regulators, that could help
:02:50. > :02:56.maintain behaviour. They are not saying there is a cap on bonuses,
:02:56. > :03:02.which people were saying last year. And they are not examining what is
:03:02. > :03:07.being paid for, what the job of a banker is and who game's most
:03:07. > :03:17.within the bank. There are elements there that they may be able to
:03:17. > :03:20.change. What is also significant is that they say there is not enough
:03:20. > :03:24.competition and diversity. The banks tend to look similar. They
:03:24. > :03:28.say there is a big problem there. They are going to it in a lot of
:03:28. > :03:32.detail but do not have a lot of solutions as to how to change that.
:03:32. > :03:39.A lot of banks withdrew five years ago from the British market, making
:03:39. > :03:43.the British banks more important. The Prime Minister looked as if he
:03:43. > :03:48.was in favour of these penalties taking the wind out of Ed
:03:48. > :03:52.Miliband's sells. It is not a big thing for the Prime Minister to
:03:52. > :03:57.sign up to. This question of diversity has been kicked back into
:03:57. > :04:03.the government's campaign. They think they hoped this would buy
:04:03. > :04:09.time. This time last year, the LIBOR scandal, that is why this was
:04:09. > :04:12.set up. It has kicked people around the Westminster committee rooms
:04:12. > :04:18.effectively, but it has raised questions which are now back with
:04:18. > :04:25.the Government. This is the kind of report that the public really want
:04:25. > :04:31.to see, bankers behind Bars us. That is right. The report has been
:04:31. > :04:36.well received. We have seen Sir Fred Goodwin was his knighthood,
:04:36. > :04:46.but we have not seen accountability. -- lose his knighthood. We have
:04:46. > :04:47.
:04:47. > :04:51.only seen two bankers in the public life suffering humiliation. We have
:04:51. > :04:56.all been victims of the banking crisis. The big problem will be
:04:56. > :05:00.implementation. Howard are we going to implement this? Bankers are good
:05:00. > :05:10.at wriggling out of the kind of suggestions that have been made in
:05:10. > :05:10.
:05:10. > :05:14.the past to try and bring them to bits. -- book. The directors of the
:05:14. > :05:20.Bank should be in the spotlight, they were on board when this
:05:20. > :05:24.happened. Interesting words in the report about the state-owned banks.
:05:24. > :05:31.How might they be disposed of back into the price of its sector?
:05:31. > :05:34.Starting with Lloyds, we can expect to you more about this from the
:05:34. > :05:39.Lord Chancellor tonight in London. He will say more about how this
:05:39. > :05:49.begins to get sold off. More complex as this Royal Bank of
:05:49. > :05:49.
:05:49. > :05:52.Scotland, 81% owned by the taxpayer. They cannot find a way to get it
:05:52. > :05:59.broken up. That is partly because we do not know how to break it up.
:05:59. > :06:05.You could take the good assets, sell it into the market, and create
:06:05. > :06:10.a bad bank, and hope that it does not explode and pleasantly, or you
:06:10. > :06:14.could break it up in different ways, splitting the risky investment bank
:06:14. > :06:18.from the utility bank we need. You could split commercial banking from
:06:18. > :06:25.personal banking, or you could take the big band and split it up so
:06:26. > :06:29.that it serves the nations and regions. We have very big banks for
:06:29. > :06:34.the size of country that we are. There are so many ways to skin a
:06:34. > :06:40.cat. A lot of them take a lot of complexity and time, and a lot of
:06:40. > :06:50.cost. They also changed course from what we have been doing for the
:06:50. > :06:52.
:06:52. > :07:00.past few years. That is one aspect of this, the Government need to
:07:00. > :07:05.look into this. Thank you. Aqua due shortly. Unifying
:07:05. > :07:09.Scotland's police service into one for us has attracted a lot of
:07:09. > :07:14.negative publicity, but the same has been going on at the fire
:07:14. > :07:18.service, but it has slipped under the radar. Those involved have
:07:18. > :07:22.dated the Justice Committee yesterday. We see no discernible
:07:22. > :07:27.negative impact in partnership relations as a result of police and
:07:27. > :07:33.fire reform. I do not think it is any secret that there have been
:07:33. > :07:39.difficulties in terms of governance and oversight. Would the panel
:07:39. > :07:46.offer any advice and how you managed to deliver things
:07:46. > :07:51.apparently with little upset? And having listened to an earlier panel
:07:51. > :07:57.with a great deal of commitment and universal support, what was the
:07:57. > :08:07.secret of delivering gas fire and to the future and what advice would
:08:07. > :08:09.
:08:09. > :08:12.you give? -- thus far. I would love to take the credit for this, but
:08:12. > :08:17.the foundations were set long before myself or the chief was
:08:17. > :08:21.appointed, that was a partnership that was developed between the
:08:21. > :08:28.people looking at how they take the service for would into a single
:08:28. > :08:32.service. So the foundation was set for that partnership, taking on
:08:32. > :08:39.board and having regular meetings and discussions, and listening to
:08:40. > :08:43.what staff were saying. The partnership between the Services,
:08:43. > :08:48.the government and the staff from the Foundation for how we bring
:08:49. > :08:52.things forward. We have carried on from that. If we get to a stage
:08:52. > :08:55.where the service feels we are doing something to them and not in
:08:55. > :09:01.conjunction with them, that is where we will hit problems others
:09:01. > :09:08.have. I intend we do not get to that position, that we work in
:09:08. > :09:15.partnership to deliver. If it had not been for partnership working,
:09:15. > :09:18.it would have been a more difficult challenge than it was. It was in
:09:18. > :09:28.relation to the separation of the sport functions and the service to
:09:28. > :09:33.
:09:33. > :09:37.love grey area. I cannot... What I can say is that we have been a
:09:37. > :09:42.successful organisation, we have reduced the number of primary fires
:09:42. > :09:47.in Scotland by about 40% over the last decade. Wrigley, the staff who
:09:47. > :09:51.work on the frontline get much of the credit for that, but I am clear
:09:51. > :09:54.that support staff are enabling staff. The fact that they service
:09:54. > :10:01.the vehicles, the fact that they do the strategic planning, that they
:10:01. > :10:06.paid people enables the from service committee to allow that to
:10:06. > :10:09.happen. What we have is an organisation where everyone
:10:09. > :10:14.understands that they are enabling the frontline to happen, they are
:10:14. > :10:19.making sure that those improvements are going to happen and they can
:10:19. > :10:24.clearly see where they're going to contribute to it. I think it is a
:10:24. > :10:27.strength of the Scottish Fire and rescue service that we are part of
:10:27. > :10:33.Fatah organisation and are not separate it. Now to live coverage
:10:33. > :10:37.of the chamber at Holyrood. John Swinney is opening his account to
:10:37. > :10:43.MSPs, explaining how much money has been spent over the financial year,
:10:43. > :10:49.and how many he has left -- how much he has left, if any. It looks
:10:49. > :10:56.as if he always balances the books but it looks like he likes to keep
:10:56. > :11:00.a little bit but as well. -- a little bit back. Everyone knows you
:11:00. > :11:04.keep a little back for emergencies. Next year will be a big year for
:11:04. > :11:08.the SNP. They have the independence referendum and the eyes of the
:11:08. > :11:15.world on them with the Commonwealth Games, the Ryder Cup and the
:11:15. > :11:19.anniversary of Bannockburn. So next year is a key here and I suspect he
:11:19. > :11:29.would like to have a little in reserve just in case. Thank you.
:11:29. > :11:33.Let us go to the chamber. This is the ring-fenced element of
:11:33. > :11:38.the Budget intended to cover appreciation and technical
:11:38. > :11:43.accounting items. �65 million of this underspend relates to less
:11:43. > :11:47.than anticipated write-down of the current book valuation of the
:11:47. > :11:57.income-contingent repayment student loan book. A further �22 million is
:11:57. > :12:03.
:12:03. > :12:06.due to lower than and... The 2012/13 Public Expenditure Analysis
:12:06. > :12:12.is due to be published in July by her Majesty's Treasury, which will
:12:12. > :12:21.place on records the provisional outturn, which includes cash and
:12:21. > :12:25.not cash. This will represent under Spence of 261 million, 150 million,
:12:25. > :12:31.and 29 million respectively. Parliament will wish to note that
:12:31. > :12:35.the devolved administration budget exchange mechanism will be utilised
:12:35. > :12:38.for the second year. Since devolution, the Scottish Government
:12:38. > :12:48.have the facility to carry forward any unspent budget to future years,
:12:48. > :12:55.
:12:55. > :12:58.which was known as India for flexibility -- end-year flexibility.
:12:58. > :13:03.The Scottish government had allowed limited flexibility to carry
:13:03. > :13:08.forward of to see the 0.6% of its resource budget and 1.5% of its
:13:08. > :13:15.capital budget. This equates to a cap this year of �200 million in
:13:15. > :13:20.total. In 2011/12 we carried forward �179 million in the Budget
:13:20. > :13:26.exchange mechanism for use in 2012/13. This year we will carry
:13:26. > :13:35.forward the same amount of 179 million to be utilised in 2013/14.
:13:35. > :13:42.In the budget for those years we had factored into her plans �150
:13:42. > :13:46.million carried forward. We have delivered the plan. Accordingly I
:13:46. > :13:51.am pleased to inform Parliament that the balance of the flip -- the
:13:51. > :13:57.fiscal underspend, �21 million, will be carried forward to augment
:13:57. > :14:07.existing spending plans. The sums to be this -- deployed will be
:14:07. > :14:08.
:14:08. > :14:11.confirmed in the Budget revision in autumn. A modest Cabinet underspend
:14:11. > :14:17.emerged to two-timing differences between demand and the availability
:14:17. > :14:20.of funding and capital budgets. There is a �5.3 million underspend
:14:20. > :14:30.in they are been regeneration programme which is a demand-led
:14:30. > :14:30.
:14:30. > :15:50.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 80 seconds
:15:50. > :16:00.In December 2012, I announced a �205 million investment package
:16:00. > :16:04.
:16:04. > :16:11.ovens -- construction and maintenance projects. I will write
:16:11. > :16:15.to the finance committee setting out the full details of the 2012/13
:16:15. > :16:23.Azores and cupboard door switches once the details are finalised.
:16:23. > :16:27.Budget choices have enabled the Scottish Government to focus on
:16:27. > :16:30.youth unemployment. These have included 25,000 Modern
:16:30. > :16:40.Apprenticeship opportunities in each year of the current Parliament
:16:40. > :16:46.
:16:46. > :16:49.and an additionally �30 million. We will maintain the education
:16:49. > :16:53.maintenance allowance which has been abolished in England. We
:16:53. > :17:00.encourage private sector investment and provide security through
:17:00. > :17:10.Scottish households which included supporting growth and companies
:17:10. > :17:11.
:17:11. > :17:16.through the loan fund, providing businesses with the was generous
:17:16. > :17:23.rates. Her actions against priorities help to support the
:17:23. > :17:28.Scottish economy. A clear picture is emerging of the journey Scotland
:17:28. > :17:34.has made since my last statement. Output in Scotland was contracting
:17:34. > :17:41.this time last year, but now the picture is more encouraging. Output
:17:41. > :17:48.picked up and we saw returned to positive growth last year. -- a
:17:48. > :17:58.return to positive growth. Scotland has seen an improvement in its
:17:58. > :18:17.
:18:17. > :18:24.labour market with employment levels rising. There is a positive
:18:24. > :18:28.outlook for 2013, with private sector are activity expanding for
:18:28. > :18:38.the 8th consecutive month at a rate of 51.4, which is significantly
:18:38. > :18:53.
:18:53. > :19:03.faster than the rate of expansion On the basis of the UK Budget
:19:03. > :19:10.
:19:10. > :19:20.announcement, we are dealing with As previously notified, we will
:19:20. > :19:20.
:19:20. > :20:28.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 80 seconds
:20:28. > :20:32.These figures show the competent financial management and the
:20:32. > :20:42.resources at our disposal. Cabinet Secretary will now take
:20:42. > :20:53.
:20:53. > :20:57.questions. I will allowed 20 Can I thank the Secretary for
:20:57. > :21:00.advanced notice of this statement and recognise that we share common
:21:00. > :21:05.ground in opposing the approach to public financing of the Tory
:21:05. > :21:09.government. We are here to scrutinise the decisions taken by
:21:09. > :21:13.the Scottish government and I would note there are a number of the
:21:13. > :21:20.missions today including any mention of the �333 million underspend in
:21:20. > :21:24.his planned programme. I have to say I am also disappointed to hear a
:21:24. > :21:28.reference to the Scottish government's notorious shovel ready
:21:28. > :21:31.programme but no update on exactly how many shovels are actually in the
:21:32. > :21:36.ground. Turning to the announcement the Minister has made the Cabinet
:21:36. > :21:43.Secretary points out he has committed 158 million of his 100 and
:21:43. > :21:47.79 million underspend. The majority seems to come from an underspend to
:21:47. > :21:52.housing budget and has been recommitted to housing along with an
:21:52. > :21:56.additional 5.9 million which is to be welcomed. Given that he revisited
:21:56. > :22:00.his housing budget cuts four times in the last financial year, he tried
:22:00. > :22:04.again in the budget this year and here he is trying to have a sixth
:22:04. > :22:07.attempt to rewrite the wrong. Does he not think it would have been
:22:07. > :22:16.better to have listened to those in the industries in the first place
:22:16. > :22:20.and have incremented Labour's budget for housing. I will ask you here he
:22:20. > :22:24.is content with this budget this year because it is the lowest number
:22:24. > :22:29.of housing completions since the depression. Can I ask the secretary
:22:29. > :22:33.why there is nothing in his statement on the impact on further
:22:33. > :22:37.education, in particular can I ask him to explain the relationship
:22:37. > :22:41.between his cuts to Scotland's colleges and the 700 jobs lost in
:22:41. > :22:44.further education in the last year alone?
:22:44. > :22:49.That was Labour's Ken Macintosh in the chamber.
:22:49. > :22:55.Let's get some political analysis from Brian Taylor who has been
:22:55. > :22:59.watching the statement at Holyrood. Thanks for joining. Let us rewind to
:22:59. > :23:06.the beginning. An awful lot of facts and figures there. Can you help put
:23:06. > :23:10.it in text. What was John Swinney putting out their? He was opening up
:23:10. > :23:14.his books and shivering as the underspend.
:23:15. > :23:19.First of all, Scotland has a blog budget, a fixed sum. Ministers often
:23:19. > :23:24.say they are operating within a fixed sum. They can vary it with tax
:23:24. > :23:29.powers that Holyrood has but no one since the establishment of Holyrood
:23:30. > :23:35.does so because it is thought to have brought in more grief. Within
:23:35. > :23:39.that fixed sum you have to spend short because there is currently no
:23:39. > :23:43.borrowing powers. They are coming through soon. John Swinney was
:23:44. > :23:49.announcing that they had fallen short by �179 million in terms of
:23:49. > :23:57.expenditure. He then announced and confirmed that he anticipated by
:23:57. > :24:05.shrewd alkylation that there would be a sum along those lines of a.
:24:05. > :24:08.Apparently that is already budgeted for. He has �21 million extra to
:24:08. > :24:12.deal with in capital expenditure and he was hinting fairly firmly that
:24:12. > :24:18.that would go towards the housing sector. He was indicating that one
:24:18. > :24:24.of the recipients and Ken Macintosh responding that housing had been
:24:24. > :24:27.neglected. I think the rules of the game state
:24:27. > :24:31.that �200 million is the maximum cap. That is allowed so you get up
:24:31. > :24:36.to that point before any of the cash goes to Westminster.
:24:36. > :24:40.In years gone by, we had and your flexibility which was a limited
:24:40. > :24:45.system by which many generally underspent went back to the
:24:45. > :24:50.Treasury. That resulted into things. Either a rush at the end of the year
:24:51. > :24:58.to catch up, to spend money and perhaps that's being necessarily
:24:58. > :25:02.wise, or a shortfall that went back to Downing Street. Under the new
:25:02. > :25:05.arrangement negotiated between Scotland and the Treasury, there is
:25:05. > :25:09.the capacity to carry forward that many. As we heard from John
:25:09. > :25:15.Swinney, he has already calculated that there would be a carry-forward
:25:15. > :25:19.son and has budgeted for that. We have other elements to the statement
:25:19. > :25:23.as well and the fact that he is expecting there to be further cuts.
:25:23. > :25:29.In terms of the Barnett formula, those departments in England and the
:25:29. > :25:32.rest of the UK on which Barnett is based, there has tended to be
:25:32. > :25:37.support for education and support for the health service. The impact
:25:37. > :25:43.upon Scotland may be mitigated eye that, if the cuts for particularly,
:25:43. > :25:47.on defence. There is a fight going on there and that doesn't fall
:25:47. > :25:53.through in the Scottish government budget. There could be an impact
:25:53. > :25:57.there. We had the second element. The statement on the carry-forward
:25:57. > :26:02.of money and secondly the further cuts to come. The indication of the
:26:02. > :26:07.general state of the economy and it was relatively upbeat from John
:26:07. > :26:09.Swinney. You mentioned that he is perhaps
:26:09. > :26:13.anticipating more cuts from Westminster but how much money do
:26:13. > :26:17.you think he has got to play with for next year at the top of the
:26:17. > :26:21.programme we were talking about a key for Scotland next year and he
:26:21. > :26:25.probably wants to have a bit extra in his back pocket?
:26:25. > :26:29.He probably does but it doesn't look as though he will have it. There is
:26:29. > :26:33.some carry-forward but that is budgeted for. The expectation is
:26:33. > :26:37.when the Chancellor gives us his spending statement in the next
:26:37. > :26:41.couple of weeks, that will result in yet further cuts for Scotland. That
:26:41. > :26:47.could be mitigated by a calculation as to where precisely the axe
:26:47. > :26:51.falls. OK, Brian. A computed issue made
:26:51. > :26:57.simple. Thank you. Now two prime ministers questions
:26:57. > :27:01.where banking dominated affairs. The prime ministers said the government
:27:01. > :27:06.would amend the Banking Bill to impose penalties on those who fall
:27:06. > :27:10.foul of the law. His comments came after a range of MPs said reckless
:27:10. > :27:16.bankers should be jailed and an end to rewarding failure.
:27:16. > :27:20.On the specific issues of criminal penalties, I am glad he supports the
:27:20. > :27:22.proposal but will he confirm for the house this important issue that the
:27:22. > :27:25.government will put down the appropriate amendments to the
:27:25. > :27:30.Banking Bill which is currently going through Parliament to make
:27:30. > :27:34.sure this gets on the statute book as soon as possible.
:27:34. > :27:38.We will be using that Bill to take these important steps and the key
:27:38. > :27:42.thing is we have that opportunity. First of all because we have said
:27:42. > :27:47.that there should be a Parliamentary enquiry that can be done rapidly
:27:47. > :27:51.rather than a public enquiry that he supported. If we had done that, we
:27:51. > :27:54.would just about be getting giving with the enquiry. Instead of that we
:27:54. > :27:57.have a good enquiry with good results and we can have strong
:27:57. > :28:02.legislation as well. Just to be clear, if the government
:28:02. > :28:08.doesn't put down them as criminal penalties, we will in the Banking
:28:08. > :28:15.Bill and we will make sure they have them. I think the Prime Minister
:28:15. > :28:18.praises the Parliamentary and on the but let's turn to one of his
:28:18. > :28:21.recommendations from last year's report. It says the government
:28:21. > :28:27.should legislate for a general power to break up the banks, breaking up
:28:27. > :28:30.high risk casino banking from high street banks. We think it's right,
:28:30. > :28:33.the commission thinks it's right that the government is so far
:28:33. > :28:40.refusing to increment. The part-time Chancellor is trying to give advice
:28:40. > :28:44.to the Prime Minister! We think it's right. We think it's right. The
:28:44. > :28:51.commission thinks it's right. But the government has so far refused to
:28:51. > :28:54.implement that recommendation. Why isn't the government doing it?
:28:54. > :29:00.First of all, I would rather listen to my Chancellor than listen to his
:29:00. > :29:06.neighbour the Chatto Chancellor. -- the shadow chancellor. We remember
:29:06. > :29:12.his advice. 125% mortgages. That's fine! A knighthood for Fred Goodwin.
:29:12. > :29:17.That's fine! The biggest tanking best in British history. That's
:29:17. > :29:21.fine! He was the city minister when all of this went wrong! And it is
:29:21. > :29:23.this government that is clearing up the mess. We wouldn't have these
:29:23. > :29:28.results without this excellent enquiry commissioned by this
:29:28. > :29:31.government. We wouldn't be able to legislate if we didn't have the
:29:31. > :29:36.excellent and King Bill provided by this government and in terms of his
:29:36. > :29:39.question, we are putting a ring fence around retail banks, something
:29:39. > :29:43.that in 13 years of a Labour government, although they were both
:29:43. > :29:49.in the Treasury, they never got round to it.
:29:49. > :29:57.I say to the Prime Minister we are not going to take lectures from the
:29:57. > :30:00.guy who was the advisor on Black Wednesday in 1992.
:30:00. > :30:05.May I warmly commend him for being the first Conservative prime
:30:05. > :30:07.minister ever to commit to a referendum on Europe. And for
:30:07. > :30:12.leading a government that has done more than any other government to
:30:12. > :30:18.tackle welfare dependency, to reduce immigration and to bring in
:30:18. > :30:23.academies. It is showing that there can be conservative, popular and
:30:23. > :30:26.right at the same time. I am sure the prime minister would
:30:26. > :30:31.like to wish all players the best for Wimbledon but looking to the
:30:31. > :30:41.future, as he backed the schools tennis programme that is now in over
:30:41. > :30:45.16,000 schools, including a number in my constituency, to help us find
:30:45. > :30:48.a home-grown champion? I think my honourable friend is
:30:48. > :30:54.quite right for this. Let us congratulate Andy Murray for his
:30:54. > :30:57.victory at Queen 's club and wish him well for the Wimbledon
:30:57. > :31:01.tournament. I think we should commend the LTA for the work they
:31:01. > :31:05.are doing to try and make tennis much more of a mass participation
:31:05. > :31:11.sport. I see it in the primary school my children go to come where
:31:11. > :31:15.more tennis is being played. The lawn tennis Association has two
:31:15. > :31:20.satisfy sport England and all the funding bodies that they are doing
:31:20. > :31:24.everything they can to do that. Let's stay at Westminster now and
:31:24. > :31:29.speak to our correspondence there. Good afternoon, David. A busy Prime
:31:29. > :31:34.Minister 's questions. Let us look at the banking report. It seemed as
:31:34. > :31:39.though the prime minister almost took the wind out of Ed Miliband's
:31:39. > :31:44.fails when he said he was agreeing to grim nod penalties for bankers?
:31:44. > :31:51.It was one of those occasions when somebody stand-ups and says, will
:31:51. > :31:57.you do this? OK. Will you do that? Yes. The banking commission report
:31:57. > :32:02.is highly significant, running to more than 500 pages and coming up
:32:02. > :32:05.with a number of recommendations. One of them is the bankers who are
:32:05. > :32:09.found guilty of reckless misconduct could be jailed and another one as
:32:09. > :32:13.well that their bonuses could be deferred for up to ten years. You
:32:13. > :32:19.can actually find out what banks have been up to. I think widespread
:32:19. > :32:22.agreement in the House of Commons that most of the recommendations the
:32:22. > :32:26.banking commission has come up with that political parties can live
:32:26. > :32:30.with. The government will have time to formally assessed that and come
:32:30. > :32:34.back with it. David Cameron is likely taking the wind out of Ed
:32:34. > :32:39.Miliband's sales by saying, yes we will legislate the current Banking
:32:39. > :32:44.Bill for this provision that those who are found guilty of reckless
:32:44. > :32:48.misconduct could face jail. I think that is one of the main things. And
:32:48. > :32:55.the fact it is going through in the Banking Bill this time means that he
:32:55. > :33:00.will be able to use that. The Prime Minister is fresh back
:33:01. > :33:05.from Northern Ireland after the G8 summit. He was updating MPs and
:33:05. > :33:10.progress made at the G8 and I think he was saying it was very much a
:33:10. > :33:15.pro-business agenda and that would be at the DNA of the G8 but they are
:33:15. > :33:19.also tackling tax avoidance. That was one of the key aspects of
:33:19. > :33:23.the G8 summit. Where they disagreed and where it was harder for David
:33:23. > :33:28.Cameron to say he had everything he wanted was to do with Syria. We know
:33:28. > :33:34.there were disagreements to do with Russia and other members of the G8
:33:34. > :33:39.on what should be done, particularly post President Assad. We got an
:33:39. > :33:47.adder dying form of words on Syria. Where David Cameron would feel a lot
:33:47. > :33:50.happier are these pledges on tackling tax avoidance. Not just on
:33:50. > :33:56.a domestic level but on an international level. There will be a
:33:56. > :34:01.register of companies and swapping of information. Those are warm
:34:01. > :34:03.words. The reality will be that when the G8 leaders and the leaders of
:34:03. > :34:11.other nations get back to their countries, whether they will put
:34:11. > :34:14.this into force. I think there is a wider issue here that perhaps in an
:34:14. > :34:17.austerity world economy, all governments are finding that if they
:34:17. > :34:24.have got large, multinational companies which are operating in
:34:24. > :34:28.those countries, that they are not seen to pay a fair amount of tax,
:34:28. > :34:32.the government have an argument that they have to make with their own
:34:32. > :34:36.taxpayers who are being asked to pay increased taxes and I think there is
:34:36. > :34:40.a feeling amongst many governments that if we are in an austerity world
:34:40. > :34:43.economy, some of these businesses will have to pay their share. I
:34:43. > :34:48.think David Cameron was very much pushing at an open door with the
:34:48. > :34:51.other G8 leaders. Finally, I think the draft, the
:34:51. > :34:56.Conservatives draft EU referendum bill was introduced in the House of
:34:56. > :34:58.Commons. There was a leaked Labour memo which said the Prime Minister
:34:58. > :35:03.didn't have the support of his backbenchers but we saw in prime
:35:03. > :35:09.ministers questions the newly knighted Sir Edward giving quite a
:35:09. > :35:12.show of support to the PM. The bill has had its first reading.
:35:12. > :35:17.That is basically where it is read out in the House of Commons. It will
:35:17. > :35:21.get its second reading in a couple of weeks on Friday the 5th of July
:35:21. > :35:25.and that is where you will see many Conservative MPs coming out and
:35:25. > :35:28.giving their support. They approve of what the Prime Minister has
:35:28. > :35:31.done. Some would like it to be a government Bill but because of the
:35:31. > :35:36.coalition deal they realise they can't have that. The second best
:35:36. > :35:42.thing is from their point of view, is a bill that has a conservative
:35:42. > :35:45.name attached to it. I think where the concern will come is later on in
:35:45. > :35:49.the Parliamentary process, if for some reason it gets talked out or if
:35:49. > :35:56.it goes to the House of Lords and it gets gunned up in the legislative
:35:56. > :35:59.progress. I think at the moment you have a situation with as regards to
:35:59. > :36:09.Europe, most Conservative MPs give him the benefit of the doubt because
:36:09. > :36:15.
:36:15. > :36:20.they have now got a piece of Gillian is still with us. Let us
:36:20. > :36:30.put upon something that David was speaking about. First of all the G8.
:36:30. > :36:31.
:36:31. > :36:34.It was difficult for David Cameron over the Syrian issue. But he was
:36:34. > :36:38.discussing the tax-avoidance agenda. Yes, fitting in with what the
:36:38. > :36:44.public want to see, they want to see corporation tax paid by these
:36:44. > :36:48.big companies. There is a real mood of unhappiness about companies like
:36:48. > :36:53.Starbucks not paying tax in the country it sells its goods in. He
:36:53. > :36:57.was tapping into the public mood, and there was consensus among the
:36:57. > :37:01.other world leaders, this is an issue for all countries. Business
:37:01. > :37:05.is going to help pull us out of the economic downturn, so it was a
:37:05. > :37:09.carrot-and-stick. There are benefits in the new trade deal
:37:09. > :37:17.coming between America and the EU which will benefit lots of
:37:17. > :37:22.businesses, but only the ones who are abiding by the rules. The ones
:37:22. > :37:32.who are not paying tax are going to be hit. The focus is on the tax
:37:32. > :37:33.
:37:33. > :37:37.issues, and that helped gain consensus on set here. Holyrood is
:37:37. > :37:45.calling for a national strategy to tackle the problem of teenage
:37:45. > :37:50.pregnancies in Scotland. It was on the front page of the Daily Mail
:37:50. > :37:53.today. A row over proposals to get the youngest teenagers to take the
:37:53. > :38:00.contraceptive pill. It is unusual to have such high rates of teenage
:38:00. > :38:04.pregnancy, almost the highest in Western Europe. Tens of millions of
:38:04. > :38:08.pounds have been spent trying to do something about the bad rates of
:38:08. > :38:13.teenage pregnancy and there has been little movement since about
:38:13. > :38:22.1994, particularly among the youngest girls. Teenage pregnancies
:38:22. > :38:28.in girls pretty much flat lined. Come down a little bit, those under
:38:28. > :38:32.20 and 18. But it is not working. A lot of money and initiatives. This
:38:32. > :38:36.is an interesting report which has taken a lot of evidence. On one
:38:36. > :38:39.hand you have the Daily Mail response which is quite sensational,
:38:39. > :38:47.but there are a lot of people looking at the issue and saying
:38:47. > :38:51.that we need to more consistency in the education approach. Just now it
:38:51. > :38:53.is down to the schools how they teach this. They have a lot of
:38:54. > :38:57.input in the curriculum and material. It was better than others
:38:57. > :39:01.in some areas. There is a call for greater consistency where it
:39:01. > :39:06.becomes more or -- there is a call for greater consistency. Where it
:39:06. > :39:10.becomes more controversial is with younger age groups, and the
:39:10. > :39:14.availability of contraception. The committee has not called for
:39:14. > :39:17.contraception to be made available through schools, but clearly there
:39:17. > :39:23.are concerns that if 13 year-olds are having sex and needing
:39:23. > :39:26.contraception that there are other issues at stake here. Education is
:39:26. > :39:30.important and availability of contraception is important, but
:39:30. > :39:34.this is a much wider issue, in which parents need to be involved a
:39:34. > :39:39.lot more. We leave it to the schools, but other European
:39:39. > :39:45.countries do not. You need to have more social support and family
:39:45. > :39:49.support in these areas where pregnancy is a problem. Thank you
:39:49. > :39:57.very much for highlighting some of those issues. Let us get some
:39:57. > :39:59.political reaction from three MSPs. We have Bob Doris, Drew Smith from
:39:59. > :40:06.the Scottish Labour, and Nanette Milne from the Scottish
:40:06. > :40:09.Conservatives. First of all, Bob Doris, you are in the health
:40:09. > :40:13.committee. What kind of national strategy do you think we need to
:40:13. > :40:16.try to tackle the problem of teenage pregnancy?
:40:16. > :40:20.The first thing I would say is that any new national strategy brought
:40:20. > :40:24.forward by the Scottish government should not be imposed on local
:40:24. > :40:28.authorities or health boards, but the Scottish government has to
:40:28. > :40:33.consult on that. Any new national strategy should not be biological
:40:33. > :40:37.based or based on the idea of morning-after pills or whatever,
:40:37. > :40:41.but based on the issue of relationships and respectful
:40:41. > :40:46.relationship between young people and increasing the aspirations of
:40:46. > :40:54.young people. The idea of tackling teenage pregnancy has been for too
:40:54. > :40:57.long a biological argument. Drew Smith, what are you looking for a
:40:57. > :41:04.in this national strategy? Is there a problem with this kind of
:41:04. > :41:07.strategy being imposed on people and schools? The key thing we are
:41:07. > :41:13.looking for is a renewed focus on the issue of teenage pregnancy,
:41:13. > :41:18.particularly pregnancy among girls under 16. We have not made the
:41:18. > :41:21.progress we would have hoped. We came close to meeting the target of
:41:21. > :41:26.reducing the pregnancy rate down to 6.8, but we were not able to do
:41:26. > :41:32.that, we were still just above seven. It is the renewed focus that
:41:32. > :41:36.we need to understand teenage pregnancy. There are lots of people
:41:36. > :41:42.who will become parents at a young age he will do an excellent job,
:41:42. > :41:45.but there is also an opportunity to assist people and plan and think
:41:45. > :41:50.about whether they intend to become pregnant and to try to support them
:41:50. > :41:55.to make the right decisions. Nanette Milne, the rates of teenage
:41:55. > :41:59.pregnancy is falling in Scotland. But the target has been missed.
:41:59. > :42:04.What is your solution to try to address quite an intractable
:42:04. > :42:08.problem? The target has been narrowly missed in the 16 and
:42:08. > :42:14.upwards age group, but there is a problem with the under 16 girls
:42:14. > :42:19.becoming pregnant and not wanting to be. The committee was agreed on
:42:19. > :42:27.this, and we have to look at the whole approach to sexual health and
:42:27. > :42:35.relationships education and start but quite a young age this,
:42:35. > :42:41.discussing relationships. As they get older and the sexual issue
:42:41. > :42:44.arises, then we feel that there will be -- they will be more acquit
:42:44. > :42:51.to make more positive decisions on whether they wish to become
:42:51. > :42:55.involved in sexual activity. Do you have an age limit on when
:42:55. > :43:01.contraceptive should not be handed out to children? Do you think 16
:43:01. > :43:09.should be a cut off? Handing out contraceptives to children, that is
:43:09. > :43:14.an emotive way of putting things. If people under 16 are embarking on
:43:14. > :43:21.sexual activity, they should be advised on the consequences of that
:43:22. > :43:26.and should know the consequences of it before embarking on it. They
:43:26. > :43:30.should be given proper advice. But if they do actually indulge in
:43:30. > :43:36.sexual activity and to need contraception, the committee felt
:43:36. > :43:40.generally that should be available in an accessible way to the speed
:43:40. > :43:46.will. Drew Smith, the you have a lower age limit for handing out
:43:46. > :43:50.contraceptives? The issue about sex education in schools is what is age
:43:50. > :43:55.appropriate. In terms of contraception, we need to
:43:55. > :43:59.understand where people are sexually active having access to
:43:59. > :44:04.contraception. Pregnancy is part of it but there are other issues. That
:44:04. > :44:10.is about accepting where sexual activity takes place, it should be
:44:10. > :44:16.saved. Bob Doris, the same question to use. I agree with Drew Smith, it
:44:16. > :44:18.is about being age appropriate and behaviour of young people are
:44:18. > :44:23.involved in, making sure we keep them safe. There are dancers in
:44:23. > :44:33.relation to age when his lead to tabloid newspapers and we keep this
:44:33. > :44:43.
:44:43. > :44:46.issue in the round, looking at how are missing? Scotland has high rates
:44:46. > :44:52.of teenage pregnancy. I think it is in port to stress that
:44:52. > :44:56.we agree teenage pregnancy rates in Scotland are falling. They are now
:44:56. > :45:00.below the UK level but we have missed our target narrowly, in
:45:00. > :45:05.relation to under 16 is. There is more we have to do and we have to
:45:05. > :45:09.make sure we are making sure that people do not see teenage pregnancy
:45:09. > :45:12.as being inevitable and there is work going on in Teeside at the
:45:12. > :45:19.moment where they are seeing falls in teenage pregnancy in the last
:45:19. > :45:23.five years. I think we can make further inroads.
:45:23. > :45:26.When it comes to parents, how involved should they be?
:45:26. > :45:31.What the committee is making clear is a whole range of people have to
:45:31. > :45:35.be involved and schools need to take a active interest that parents are
:45:35. > :45:40.essential to it and they need to be involved in understanding decisions
:45:40. > :45:43.taken by the professionals, health boards and scores. Sometimes parents
:45:43. > :45:46.would prefer to leave it to the parents to explain some of these
:45:46. > :45:49.things but it is about supporting parents do feel they can be part of
:45:49. > :45:53.that education process for the trial.
:45:53. > :45:59.Nanette Milne, the convener of the health committee was making a point
:45:59. > :46:01.today that it is often left to teachers to teach children and they
:46:01. > :46:05.leave it feeling quite uncomfortable. How do we address
:46:05. > :46:08.that problem? I think teachers need training in
:46:08. > :46:14.this aspect but as has been said by my colleague, it is a partnership
:46:14. > :46:17.approach that is needed and people involved with growing young people
:46:17. > :46:22.should be equipped to give them the correct information at the
:46:22. > :46:25.appropriate time. OK. Nanette Milne from the Scottish
:46:25. > :46:28.Conservatives, Drew Smith from Labour and Bob Doris from the SNP.
:46:28. > :46:33.Thank you. Let's head back to the chamber. A
:46:33. > :46:38.different debate this time will stop the Victims and Witnesses Bill. It
:46:38. > :46:41.aims to improve support available and put victims interest at the
:46:41. > :46:47.heart of the justice system and ensure witnesses can fulfil their
:46:47. > :46:49.public duty. Part of that entails more CCTV links so they can give
:46:49. > :46:59.evidence without feeling threatened. Let's hear from the
:46:59. > :47:00.
:47:00. > :47:03.justice secretary. Was the secretary saying that the
:47:03. > :47:06.law is not compatible and what does he have to say to the children's
:47:06. > :47:10.Commissioner who says that there is no issue with regard to children,
:47:10. > :47:15.for example. I wouldn't have laws in this country
:47:15. > :47:23.that weren't compatible because of the nature of this Parliament. I
:47:23. > :47:27.think I can chew or Mr Chisholm of that. What we do wish to do is to
:47:27. > :47:34.seek to challenge this legislation in relation to the right of the
:47:34. > :47:39.individual seeking a charge to be dealt with and what we are hoping to
:47:39. > :47:47.do is to work through a way in which we balance that of the accused but
:47:47. > :47:53.has the opportunity for variations to raise the matter with the court
:47:53. > :47:58.for the judiciary to provide. That will take away from the delivery in
:47:58. > :48:01.this bill of making sure that vulnerable witnesses and indeed
:48:01. > :48:05.witnesses have the right to express themselves. I think I can satisfy
:48:05. > :48:11.him that no matters will be made worse in terms of what he refers to
:48:11. > :48:14.in terms of children's hearing. I think we will have wider opportunity
:48:14. > :48:19.to work upon the good work that will be provided for vulnerable
:48:19. > :48:25.witnesses, equally, letting it with a few number of cases where there
:48:25. > :48:28.may be a legitimate right at least two but that objection, ultimately,
:48:28. > :48:33.to be considered by the judiciary. I will give further consideration to
:48:33. > :48:40.this issue and I can confirm my officials have begun discussions
:48:40. > :48:44.with... By all means. I think the Cabinet Secretary for
:48:44. > :48:48.giving way. Would he share the concerns organisations like Scottish
:48:48. > :48:54.women's aid that the challenge to the use of special measures may
:48:54. > :48:57.actually increase circumstances of anxiety and reduce confidence among
:48:57. > :49:03.witnesses about giving their evidence in court?
:49:03. > :49:07.I don't believe so. I believe this will provide the overall desire of
:49:07. > :49:11.what these agencies want. I met with Scottish women's aid recently. It
:49:11. > :49:16.will provide that but it will ensure compliance to ensure that we are
:49:16. > :49:21.away to some safety net and I do think this matter can be dealt with
:49:21. > :49:24.appropriately, in balance. That is why we have started discussions but
:49:24. > :49:28.I can give you the assurance that these discussions will not simply be
:49:28. > :49:33.with the ground but they will be with agencies such as Scottish
:49:33. > :49:36.women's aid to ensure we have the right balance. To put a duty on that
:49:37. > :49:40.is organisations, to set out standards of service for the end and
:49:40. > :49:43.witnesses, the committee suggested the standard should be set out in
:49:43. > :49:48.statutory guidance to be approved by parliament along with details of the
:49:48. > :49:53.supporting mechanism. It will be possible to set out each individual
:49:53. > :49:57.set of circumstances in this way and I have been clear that these must be
:49:57. > :49:59.organisation specific and I am concerned such an approach will slow
:49:59. > :50:03.down the established that of the standard and I'm satisfied the
:50:03. > :50:07.organisations will work together with input from victim support
:50:07. > :50:13.organisations to create robust standards without the need for
:50:13. > :50:15.further Parliamentary scrutiny. I have noted to the committee that I
:50:15. > :50:23.am willing to consider further whether there should be a more
:50:23. > :50:29.formal reporting mechanism monitor how it is working. Finally, I was
:50:29. > :50:32.pleased to note the committee view that a compelling case has not been
:50:32. > :50:36.made in the establishment of a commissioner. This is a view I
:50:36. > :50:41.shared with several organisations including victim support Scotland
:50:41. > :50:44.and Scottish women's aid, given the excellent work carried out by Al
:50:44. > :50:48.victim support organisations in Scotland and I continue to believe
:50:48. > :50:52.that the establishment of such a post would be deportation of
:50:52. > :50:56.effort, an extra layer of bureaucracy that would mean that
:50:56. > :51:01.limited resources will be better used in helping victims of crime. I
:51:01. > :51:03.would like to turn to provision in the bill for the establishment and
:51:03. > :51:10.operation of the National confidential forum. I would like to
:51:10. > :51:14.thank the health and sport commission. I would like to thank
:51:14. > :51:18.the witnesses who provided evidence and former residents of childcare
:51:18. > :51:20.institutions who have shown great fortitude in coming forward to share
:51:20. > :51:25.their views. We have listened with care and attention to those views
:51:25. > :51:28.which will help ensure that the National confidential forum makes a
:51:28. > :51:35.real difference to the lives of people placed in institutional care
:51:35. > :51:41.as children by helping to prove their health and well-being and
:51:41. > :51:44.contributing to the improvement of provision and support. I am
:51:44. > :51:49.delighted there is widespread support for the establishment of the
:51:49. > :51:54.forum and I'm heartened by the recognition of the value of
:51:54. > :51:57.acknowledgement to people who are placed in institutional care as
:51:57. > :52:01.children and in particular, survivors of abuse and neglect.
:52:01. > :52:06.Those survivors have been asking for their experiences to be heard and
:52:06. > :52:13.acknowledged for years and we are responding. In 2010 we acknowledged
:52:14. > :52:17.the pilot. This pilot forum which only operated for a matter of months
:52:17. > :52:21.was attended by nearly 100 former residents of a care home. The
:52:21. > :52:25.evaluation of the experience showed clearly it was a positive value and
:52:25. > :52:31.benefits to those who took part and they felt hurt and believed. It is
:52:31. > :52:36.now our intention with this bill to extend that opportunity to all
:52:36. > :52:40.people faced in institutional care as children in Scotland. The
:52:40. > :52:46.experience of time to be heard clearly demonstrates that
:52:46. > :52:50.acknowledgement is of value and is not a second-class option. It also
:52:50. > :52:57.shows that the benefits for those people are not contingent on access
:52:57. > :53:03.remedies. For some people, just as -- Justice remedies serve little
:53:03. > :53:07.appeal. It was the Scottish government that approached to
:53:07. > :53:12.develop a human rights framework to inform the development of what has
:53:12. > :53:15.become the MCS. It was this approach would lead to the interaction
:53:15. > :53:22.mentioned by several stakeholders who gave evidence. The Scottish
:53:22. > :53:28.government is participating with an open mind. We do not intend to wait
:53:28. > :53:32.for remedies which arise to take forward the establishment.
:53:33. > :53:35.People should not be denied the opportunity to provide that
:53:35. > :53:40.acknowledgement and give that benefit. In conclusion, presiding
:53:40. > :53:47.officer... I'm sorry, I am being asked to wind up. I welcome the wide
:53:47. > :53:57.support to the bill to date from justice and health arguments. We are
:53:57. > :53:57.
:53:57. > :53:58.welcome to debate at stage one and that debate is open. I think the
:53:58. > :54:04.presiding officer for her indulgence.
:54:04. > :54:10.Thank you, Cabinet Secretary. I now call on Christine Grahame who will
:54:10. > :54:14.speak on the behalf of the justice secretary.
:54:14. > :54:18.I speak for the Justice Committee. The lead committee in consideration
:54:18. > :54:22.of this bill. Can I put something on the record before of that. I think I
:54:22. > :54:25.feel a letter to standards procedures coming on. I've never
:54:25. > :54:29.understood why in a stage one debate, the minister gives a
:54:29. > :54:32.response to the conveners report on the half of the committee before the
:54:32. > :54:37.conveners has reported to the chamber. It would be much more
:54:37. > :54:43.useful if I got to say my stuff and then you have got to say, if you
:54:43. > :54:48.will forgive me, your response afterwards. Much is probably
:54:48. > :54:53.pre-empted but off I go anyway. There are two main purposes of the
:54:53. > :54:55.bill. First is to improve the experience of witnesses and victims
:54:55. > :55:04.and the focus of our consideration. The second is to create a National
:55:04. > :55:07.confidential forum. I am sure that will be talked about. The
:55:07. > :55:12.committee, my committee has already written to the health and sports
:55:12. > :55:15.committee saying we should anticipate stage two, as we took no
:55:15. > :55:20.evidence in respect of that part. That seems an appropriate division
:55:20. > :55:23.of the bill. I thank those providing written submissions, giving oral
:55:23. > :55:30.evidence to the committee and the committee members, always a pleasure
:55:30. > :55:32.to chair the Justice Committee. Can I thank all those victims who spoke
:55:32. > :55:36.to the committee members about their individual experiences of the
:55:36. > :55:40.criminal justice system to bring a specially arranged private and
:55:40. > :55:44.informal discussion. He themes from that session reflected by the
:55:44. > :55:49.committee during its formal scrutiny of the girl and I know how difficult
:55:49. > :55:53.it was for those people to speak to us about their experiences and in
:55:53. > :55:56.fact, for many, although it happened five and ten years previous, they
:55:56. > :56:02.were reliving them. It showed you the pain of the event and the
:56:02. > :56:08.experience that the justice system had just gone below the surface. As
:56:08. > :56:10.the Cabinet Secretary has said, I will not say that more than once,
:56:10. > :56:15.committee has supported the general principles of the bill. It provides
:56:15. > :56:20.much-needed support for victims and witnesses and many people in that
:56:20. > :56:24.situation had hoped to never be in court in those positions and it is a
:56:24. > :56:27.difficult position for them. That was Christine Grahame, the Fina
:56:27. > :56:33.of the Justice Committee speaking live in Parliament. I am joined by
:56:33. > :56:37.Gillian Bowditch, our physical commentator for the afternoon. That
:56:37. > :56:40.is the stage one debate going on in Parliament. The Victims and
:56:40. > :56:46.Witnesses Bill. I think victims have been calling for an improvement in
:56:46. > :56:50.their rightful sometime -- and rights for some time.
:56:50. > :56:58.Yes. The bill will be widely welcomed and anything that can make
:56:58. > :57:04.a difficult experience easier, and a , located experience, often the
:57:04. > :57:10.people who has experienced the crime is often marginalised. It is about
:57:10. > :57:15.the organisation of the justice system. Having said that,
:57:15. > :57:20.particularly when it comes to child witnesses, and has a good
:57:20. > :57:24.arbitration. We haven't seen some of the problems that they have had down
:57:24. > :57:28.in England when child witnesses have been very badly treated in the court
:57:28. > :57:32.system so in terms of children, I think we do quite well but in terms
:57:33. > :57:38.of all victims, this is a welcome Bill and I am sure it will go some
:57:38. > :57:47.way to helping. Let's just turn our attention to one
:57:47. > :57:51.other story. The Aberdeen Don said by-election. The SNP candidate is
:57:51. > :57:55.the favourite but could there be a political upset?
:57:55. > :58:01.I think it is unlikely the SNP is not going to win this election and
:58:01. > :58:06.Bryan Adams is a well respected and well liked MP. He had a large
:58:06. > :58:09.majority and it would be a huge political upset if the SNP were not
:58:09. > :58:13.to win tomorrow. Where it becomes interesting, I think, is that you
:58:13. > :58:17.look at what the majority is after the selection. What do Labour have
:58:17. > :58:25.to do to be able to claim victory and at what stage can they say, we
:58:25. > :58:31.have had the majority, or whatever, and claim victory. The sideshow is
:58:31. > :58:37.UKIP. It has become a bit of an issue wherever the leader goes.
:58:37. > :58:42.Thanks for that. That's all we have time for now. Join me next week at