:00:16. > :00:17.Hello, and welcome to Politics Scotland.
:00:18. > :00:21.Coming up on the programme this afternoon:
:00:22. > :00:25.The Scottish Labour Party get more powers to run their own affairs.
:00:26. > :00:32.And the Conservative lead a debate on NHS Scotlands staffing crisis.
:00:33. > :00:36.The ballot has now closed in the UK Labour leadership contest. We will
:00:37. > :00:41.be assessing what lies ahead. The Scottish Labour Party is to have
:00:42. > :00:46.more decision-making power. under plans agreed by the UK party's
:00:47. > :00:49.ruling National Executive Committee. The NEC has approved devolving
:00:50. > :00:51.control over policy, constituency parties and Westminster
:00:52. > :00:52.candidate selection. Our Political Editor Brian Taylor
:00:53. > :00:55.has been following the story. Why are these changes important
:00:56. > :01:07.for Labour supporters? They have been moving steadily,
:01:08. > :01:12.inching towards autonomy for some time. This goes back four or five
:01:13. > :01:17.years in terms of the particular story, October 2015, Kezia Dugdale
:01:18. > :01:25.and Jeremy Corbyn agreed autonomy for the party. And autonomy over
:01:26. > :01:32.Westminster selection policy. The detail for that has been consulted
:01:33. > :01:35.on. It it has been put forward. It goes to the Liverpool conference,
:01:36. > :01:42.and I suspect this will go through there. Kazuo Dugdale says this is
:01:43. > :01:48.the lighting. One of her many as Joanne Lamb said it was treated like
:01:49. > :01:55.a branch office. Labour needs to dispel that. They say that is done
:01:56. > :02:03.here. It gives them a degree of autonomy and Kezia Dugdale as
:02:04. > :02:11.autonomy. They have party autonomy. They have a Scottish Labour Party
:02:12. > :02:15.focus on everything. I asked her what happened with Trident. What if
:02:16. > :02:21.he's got his Labour Party want to do is grab party, and the English
:02:22. > :02:29.Labour Party doesn't? What happens? She said it would go to a
:02:30. > :02:34.consolidation free process. There is only one -- consolidation process.
:02:35. > :02:39.There would be agreement after that. The Scottish Labour Party is in the
:02:40. > :02:45.room arguing the case. I fitted to her that perhaps is not necessarily
:02:46. > :02:50.enough. The difference here is that we will have very different policy
:02:51. > :02:56.decisions. We will see that when under my leadership we had debates
:02:57. > :03:00.and votes in devolved areas. In order to stand up in Scotland, we
:03:01. > :03:04.need to have those conversations. If a Scottish party says no to Trident,
:03:05. > :03:08.they might not get their way when it comes to the UK manifesto. If it is
:03:09. > :03:15.the case that we're talking about a UK wide manifesto. All corners of
:03:16. > :03:20.our Labour Party family will argue it all out and got all the eyes and
:03:21. > :03:26.cross all the Tees. For the first time, we will be able to put forward
:03:27. > :03:31.all our own policies in Scotland. Best of luck with that one will be a
:03:32. > :03:37.lot of people's feeling. Though be a lot of cynics including double
:03:38. > :03:40.inside the Labour Party in Scotland. They try to become more like the
:03:41. > :03:48.SNP. They've been trying for years and have got no where. There is
:03:49. > :03:52.intrinsic cause with the Labour Party about going too much down the
:03:53. > :03:59.Caledonian route cause they fear they lose the UK connections. In
:04:00. > :04:01.longer term perspective, perhaps the international perspective that was
:04:02. > :04:08.the underpinning of so much of the socialist approach in it's earlier
:04:09. > :04:13.lit years. Facts are facts. The SNP are doing awfully well in opinion
:04:14. > :04:18.polls. One of the reasons for that is that they stand up for Scotland.
:04:19. > :04:23.What has happened is that when people are focusing on Scottish
:04:24. > :04:25.issues, they see the party that stands up without Challenger without
:04:26. > :04:32.looking over their shoulder for Scotland. The other party is the
:04:33. > :04:35.same. The Conservatives have gone for autonomy. The Liberal Democrats
:04:36. > :04:41.have always been autonomy. The Labour Party are playing catch up.
:04:42. > :04:45.They've always been behind. They are stressing autonomy. As is only
:04:46. > :04:50.policy question, it can only go so far. They are remaining part of what
:04:51. > :04:54.Kezia Dugdale trying the Lee Mack charmingly called the Labour Party
:04:55. > :04:59.family. They are remaining part of that. She wakes up in the morning
:05:00. > :05:00.wanting to work for a UK Labour Government. Not purely on a Scottish
:05:01. > :05:06.context. Health is the theme of the debate
:05:07. > :05:08.in parliament today which is rather fitting
:05:09. > :05:10.as the Scottish Health Survey was published yesterday with rather
:05:11. > :05:13.glum news about our waistlines. But before we discuss
:05:14. > :05:15.that, A Health boards across Scotland will get an extra
:05:16. > :05:17.?9 million for their People hurt themelves on ice,
:05:18. > :05:35.fall victim to flu, respiratory disease flares up, and they end up
:05:36. > :05:38.in hospital A departments. It's a dangerous time
:05:39. > :05:41.for politicians too. And we saw the criticism
:05:42. > :05:44.the Scottish Government came in for last winter when the NHS
:05:45. > :05:48.failed to meet the commitment that transferred or discharged
:05:49. > :05:55.from A within four hours. Today, ministers have
:05:56. > :05:56.announced an additional ?9 million to, as their
:05:57. > :05:59.Press release puts it, boost A resilience
:06:00. > :06:15.ahead of winter. The answer's very complex,
:06:16. > :06:31.and must be seen in the context of the overall NHS budget
:06:32. > :06:33.in Scotland of around The figure announced last March
:06:34. > :06:41.was specifically for A care. The new cash is aimed at helping A
:06:42. > :06:44.departments certainly, but also the wider NHS and social
:06:45. > :06:47.care sectors which are affected For instance if you look
:06:48. > :06:50.at the condition Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary
:06:51. > :06:52.Disorder, COPD, which is serious breathing difficulty,
:06:53. > :06:54.and which is worsened in the winter, many patients could be
:06:55. > :06:57.treated in their own home. This new cash could be used
:06:58. > :07:00.by health boards to improve support for patients at GP surgeries
:07:01. > :07:03.and with home visits NHS Lothian, which has been running
:07:04. > :07:09.a programme to do just this, could be treated in this way,
:07:10. > :07:18.reducing the need for A visits So this cash is aimed
:07:19. > :07:25.at prevention, preventing people from needing A treatment,
:07:26. > :07:28.rather than curing the problem This might be helping
:07:29. > :07:39.the pressure on hospital emergency departments,
:07:40. > :07:41.but the primary care sector Well, the Royal College of General
:07:42. > :07:53.Practitioners has been looking at an NHS workforce survey carried out
:07:54. > :07:55.in June. It revealed a loss of 90 GPs
:07:56. > :07:58.in Scotland over the past two years. That's almost one a week
:07:59. > :08:00.leaving the service, which the college reckons means a
:08:01. > :08:03.further 12 have gone since June. Well, Holyrood's Health and Sport
:08:04. > :08:07.committee will be looking at this next week in some depth,
:08:08. > :08:11.having already discussed it The GP College has begun a fightback
:08:12. > :08:19.though, with a new YouTube campaign aimed at persuading medical
:08:20. > :08:23.students, and even schoolchildren sitting Highers that general
:08:24. > :08:28.practice is the profession Even if it means dealing with more
:08:29. > :08:36.people over the winter months. Joining me now is The Courier's
:08:37. > :08:52.political editor, Kieran Andrews. First Labour, are they going to get
:08:53. > :08:55.anything here? They are forever going to say they are going to be
:08:56. > :09:00.more Scottish. I don't think it is going to be voter's number one
:09:01. > :09:05.priority on the doorstep. They will ask what about my school and local
:09:06. > :09:09.hospital? Not how autonomous are your party. It is a funny thing to
:09:10. > :09:19.focus on to some degree. On the other hand, the Brian Travers
:09:20. > :09:30.interview was extremely damaging for Labour's perception. Now with big
:09:31. > :09:38.things between Kezia Dugdale and Jeremy Corbyn, it is Kezia Dugdale
:09:39. > :09:45.trying to establish distance. Put some clear blue water between her
:09:46. > :09:57.and Jeremy Corbyn. That is fine. But when trying to explain the process
:09:58. > :10:10.on, let's say Trident, if Labour work pro-Trident and Kezia Dugdale's
:10:11. > :10:13.party were not. If there is one manifesto, that is what they are
:10:14. > :10:19.going to be saying. Everyone will know the Scottish Labour Party
:10:20. > :10:23.doesn't agree with the UK Labour Party. The UK Labour Party has the
:10:24. > :10:30.power to completely undermine the Scottish Labour Party. Not only in
:10:31. > :10:35.policy, but it also holds the purse. It cannot completely break is
:10:36. > :10:46.because the Scottish Labour Party needs money. As far as I control, UK
:10:47. > :10:59.Labour controls the staffing. It feeds into the clash between Kezia
:11:00. > :11:05.Dugdale's narrative and how she that how it feeds into policy.
:11:06. > :11:07.Conservatives... Now, the Conservatives
:11:08. > :11:09.are leading the debate today They say they have no confidence
:11:10. > :11:12.in the Scottish Government's workforce planning for the NHS
:11:13. > :11:15.despite warnings from patient The Conservative Health spokesperson
:11:16. > :11:24.Donald Cameron is on his feet now. I'm delighted to open the debate on
:11:25. > :11:28.health. I would like to begin with a tribute to the incredible work that
:11:29. > :11:33.dedicated staff within our NHS and social care sector carry out on a
:11:34. > :11:37.daily basis. It can be difficult work with long hours, often in
:11:38. > :11:40.challenging circumstances. The efforts of staff frequently go
:11:41. > :11:44.unnoticed and yet professionals in the NHS and care sectors are still
:11:45. > :11:51.among one of the most dedicated public care servants at of all. They
:11:52. > :11:56.need our help to make and do what they do best. Caring for patients,
:11:57. > :12:02.treating illness and saving lives. That work is under threat. It has
:12:03. > :12:06.become clear that the NHS workforce is overstretched and struggling to
:12:07. > :12:11.meet ever increasing demands on front line services. In the last few
:12:12. > :12:17.months, I have worked with patients, professional associations, medical
:12:18. > :12:23.staff and individuals. They message is clear. Staffing levels across the
:12:24. > :12:26.NHS are in crisis. It is a deep, systemic issue that cuts across the
:12:27. > :12:30.whole workforce. It is not just happening in one branch of the
:12:31. > :12:35.medical profession, it is in many. It is not just in the NHS, but in
:12:36. > :12:40.the social care workforce, too. It is not just integral Scotland, it is
:12:41. > :12:43.happening right here in Edinburgh and in other oral sectors. And we
:12:44. > :12:52.know that this problem will get much worse. We have an ageing workforce.
:12:53. > :12:58.Many of whom will soon retire. We will see that midwives are saying
:12:59. > :13:03.there is a retiring time bomb with one in five due to retire over the
:13:04. > :13:07.next decade. The Scottish Government's and figures say that
:13:08. > :13:14.one in three GP's will retire in the next ten years. That brings further
:13:15. > :13:21.pressure to battle the increasing demand. It is an increasing circle.
:13:22. > :13:30.It listen to the professionals. Since they can post is say... Other
:13:31. > :13:35.doctors with the team have to cover the workload or the service may be
:13:36. > :13:39.reduced. Staff are asked to work increasingly long hours and more
:13:40. > :13:42.intensely to fill the gaps. In the last session, I am aware that
:13:43. > :13:50.efforts were made in this Parliament on a cross party basis to try and
:13:51. > :13:54.avert this rises on a manner. But the SNP Government sat on it's
:13:55. > :13:59.hands. So, in many ways this debate is a lament for this lost
:14:00. > :14:04.opportunity. We are now reaping the whirlwind because the crisis is upon
:14:05. > :14:07.us. I have no hesitation in condemning the sheer lethargy of the
:14:08. > :14:12.Scottish Government which has brought us to this point. Often in
:14:13. > :14:17.politics, some of the most robust arguments we have are about start,
:14:18. > :14:22.vigorous policy choices taken by a Government for better or worse. Not
:14:23. > :14:27.here. Despite the repeated warnings, there is no sign of vigour. Instead,
:14:28. > :14:33.we have in Nash and listlessness. We have a Government sleepwalking
:14:34. > :14:38.through this rises. What answers do this bring? To standard responses.
:14:39. > :14:42.Patient satisfaction is at an all-time high and that NHS staffing
:14:43. > :14:47.is at record levels. We are presented with a wall of numbers and
:14:48. > :14:52.a barrage of statistics as if that provides all the answers. Let me
:14:53. > :14:56.save them sometime this afternoon. Patient satisfaction, patients are
:14:57. > :15:00.of course the most important people in our health service. Their care is
:15:01. > :15:04.paramount and it is our job to ensure they have access to
:15:05. > :15:12.world-class health care, based on need. One benchmark we can measure
:15:13. > :15:18.the NHS on is patient satisfaction. However, what is very important is
:15:19. > :15:21.that we have numbers of highly trained staff to surround that
:15:22. > :15:27.patient and provide the care. Patient well-being is intrinsically
:15:28. > :15:35.linked with that. Patient satisfaction today, the NHS is
:15:36. > :15:38.chronically understaffed and morale levels plummet. That will disappear
:15:39. > :15:44.overnight. The Scottish Government and the First Minister like to
:15:45. > :15:49.tellers that it sits at record levels and the NHS has never
:15:50. > :15:53.employed as many people. But record numbers of staff does not mean that
:15:54. > :15:56.there are enough staff. Again, listen to the professionals. Listen
:15:57. > :16:00.to the Royal College of nurses who say as follows. The increase of
:16:01. > :16:07.staff is not keeping pace with demand. Even more worrying, almost
:16:08. > :16:10.600 posts have been vacant for three months or more. Listen to the Royal
:16:11. > :16:17.College of radiologists, they say this. The mismatch between growth
:16:18. > :16:28.and workforce between growth and demand. It grew 3% between 2010 and
:16:29. > :16:34.2015. An MRI scans increased by 15%. That is not forget the key role that
:16:35. > :16:41.radiologists play in health care. It is very simple clear picture. Demand
:16:42. > :16:48.is outstripping staff numbers. So, merely parroting the number that
:16:49. > :16:53.there are record numbers of NHS staff. It does not help. There are
:16:54. > :16:56.record numbers of people getting old and Scotland. There are record
:16:57. > :17:08.numbers of demands being placed on the NHS. It is quite simply selling
:17:09. > :17:11.a fantasy that the NHS is coping under SNP leadership. Like the band
:17:12. > :17:16.on the Titanic, they are trying to tell all well when it is not.
:17:17. > :17:18.MSPs have been hearing from GPs and other health professionals
:17:19. > :17:20.about how Scotland's primary care services could be improved,
:17:21. > :17:22.against a backdrop of staff shortages and recruitment problems
:17:23. > :17:26.One of the key themes that dominated, was how
:17:27. > :17:27.a multi-disciplinary team approach to replacing doctors
:17:28. > :17:33.as the first point of contact for patients, would work.
:17:34. > :17:40.It has been mentioned a couple of times that the driver for the
:17:41. > :17:46.current emphasis for the current model of the GP crisis. I figure was
:17:47. > :17:52.actually to reason that made the point that there are other workforce
:17:53. > :17:56.difficulties. What extent do you think the other primary care
:17:57. > :18:00.professionals are repaired for the proposed changes that are likely to
:18:01. > :18:04.come forward? And from a capacity point of view, how readily can the
:18:05. > :18:10.other health professionals pick up the work from GPs? I'm thinking that
:18:11. > :18:13.one example is the proposal to recruit 140 pharmacists for example.
:18:14. > :18:16.Where are these pharmacists going to come from? I think workforce
:18:17. > :18:21.planning across the teams is not good enough at the moment. We
:18:22. > :18:25.wouldn't have a clue about the projected number of pharmacists or
:18:26. > :18:29.physios or OT's or nurses within the primary care team. We tend to still
:18:30. > :18:35.focus on the real data that they have got. It is likely how many GP's
:18:36. > :18:38.they have got. That is what we talk about when we talk about primary
:18:39. > :18:44.care. We have got to get a better base level. We've got to understand
:18:45. > :18:49.how workforce planning has to look at those disciplines. Several times,
:18:50. > :18:58.people have mentioned that there is a shortage of the professions.
:18:59. > :19:04.Various professions. We have 1000 approximate GP practices and funding
:19:05. > :19:09.for additional 140 pharmacists. And we are supposed to be rolling out
:19:10. > :19:15.this model potentially. How on earth, if we can't staff what we
:19:16. > :19:19.have now, only going to roll this out? Or is this going to develop?
:19:20. > :19:24.Can you see this realistically happening without a huge injection
:19:25. > :19:28.of cash from somewhere? The direction of travel is the wrong
:19:29. > :19:36.direction. The number of GPs are reducing. Effectively, we are facing
:19:37. > :19:40.a huge retirement bulge which we have been highlighting now for as
:19:41. > :19:45.long as ten years. But that was coming. There are a number of
:19:46. > :19:54.challenges of recruiting into general practices for GPs. As Sian
:19:55. > :19:57.alluded to earlier, we just tried to encourage and promote what an
:19:58. > :20:02.attractive career option it is for doctors to come into general
:20:03. > :20:04.practice. But there are some fundamental challenges with
:20:05. > :20:12.recruiting through the system. We recognise that there are only
:20:13. > :20:16.approximately half of our medical students are Scotland's domicile.
:20:17. > :20:21.And therefore we have a big challenge with retaining the number
:20:22. > :20:27.of medical students that are being trained in Scotland. And it is
:20:28. > :20:29.really going to be important to increase the general practice and
:20:30. > :20:36.exposure within the undergraduate training to encourage direction into
:20:37. > :20:43.our specialty. We have had 100 new places for training places. That
:20:44. > :20:50.have been created and have now been advertised and are in the process of
:20:51. > :20:53.appointment. But unfortunately, we are not going to be able to fill
:20:54. > :20:58.these places or anything like it. In fact, we have still got a number of
:20:59. > :21:05.unfilled places for GP training from the previous recruitment round. So,
:21:06. > :21:11.we are not attracting potential GPs at this point in time. It is our
:21:12. > :21:18.role as a college to remark that at every stage in our career low
:21:19. > :21:27.process. It is at the real challenge and concern. To see how we can
:21:28. > :21:28.sustain models with in and out, without a shift of resources into
:21:29. > :21:33.primary care. -- career low process. Now let's speak to some
:21:34. > :21:35.MSPs at Holyrood. For the SNP we have Clare Haughey,
:21:36. > :21:37.for the Conservatives From Labour, Jackie Baillie joins
:21:38. > :21:50.us, and Alex Cole-Hamilton joins us We just heard Donald Cameron from
:21:51. > :21:56.the Conservatives saying that every time they ask about starving in the
:21:57. > :22:02.NHS, the SNP Government tells us that it is at record levels. He said
:22:03. > :22:07.that when demand is going up so quickly, it is not enough. It is not
:22:08. > :22:11.an explanation. More is needed. Well, we do have record levels of
:22:12. > :22:16.staff in the NHS and we have record levels of investment. The SNP
:22:17. > :22:22.Government continues to invest in the NHS. We continue to invest in
:22:23. > :22:26.GPs. We have created more GP training places. We have created
:22:27. > :22:32.more places at University and we have created a graduate school for
:22:33. > :22:35.attracting people to... You say you have created more GP training
:22:36. > :22:40.places. We have just heard someone from the general practitioners
:22:41. > :22:44.Council saying that the extra places are not being taken up. They are not
:22:45. > :22:51.being filled. We continue to work with the Royal College of GPs to
:22:52. > :22:54.make GPs and to make a career as a GP more attractive. Why aren't
:22:55. > :23:00.people taking up the traineeship? We will continue to work with them to
:23:01. > :23:08.make it more attractive to medical graduates. As I say, we are also
:23:09. > :23:12.looking at widening the net, making more medical places available and
:23:13. > :23:16.also setting up graduate training to attract people into primary care and
:23:17. > :23:21.role health services. Miles breaks. A bit of a difference in height
:23:22. > :23:27.there! If the camera can get up to you! They go, everything is fine.
:23:28. > :23:31.This is the issue. We have decided to bring the issue to Parliament
:23:32. > :23:36.today because it is quite clear that we have decided to preside over a
:23:37. > :23:43.crisis over the health service. GPs, everyone is telling us that day in
:23:44. > :23:49.and day out as you have seen from that clip. We have decided we need
:23:50. > :23:56.to meet the crisis. It there will be 830 GPs short soon. We need to see
:23:57. > :24:02.real action taken by the Government to safeguard the future of family
:24:03. > :24:05.GPs. Surely as Tories, you are not arguing fraught unlimited spending.
:24:06. > :24:12.As your colleague Mr Cameron pointed out, the reason that record levels
:24:13. > :24:16.of staff asked enough to cope is because there is such a huge
:24:17. > :24:19.increase of demand key says. Presumably the Conservatives are not
:24:20. > :24:22.saying that we should indefinitely continue to pour money and as long
:24:23. > :24:28.as demand continues to increase because it will continue to increase
:24:29. > :24:31.indefinitely. Yes. That is why we focus resources. We have made a
:24:32. > :24:35.commitment that 10% of all health board funding would go directly to
:24:36. > :24:41.front line GP services. That is what our people are telling is needs to
:24:42. > :24:47.be done. It is worth remembering that the UK Conservative Government
:24:48. > :24:53.has provided 1.46 billion in funding to the NHS. How that money is spent
:24:54. > :25:00.is what we need to focus on. -- funding to the Scottish Government.
:25:01. > :25:05.The GP about committee said that there are about 100 new trainee GP
:25:06. > :25:11.places that have not been taken up. Why do think that is? GPs are pretty
:25:12. > :25:16.well played, -- paid. Why are people not going into it? The role is
:25:17. > :25:22.changing. We should be investing in primary care. I can't help but
:25:23. > :25:27.remember that it was Nicola Sturgeon when she was the health minister
:25:28. > :25:34.that actually cut the number of GP training places, cut the number of
:25:35. > :25:42.wife and nursing places. We reaping the reward of that now. When not. If
:25:43. > :25:47.people are coming into the matter of you increase or cut the numbers. The
:25:48. > :25:50.reality is according to the GPs themselves that people are not
:25:51. > :25:56.coming forward. What you find is that the overall number does matter.
:25:57. > :25:58.The number of GPs and number of medical staff trained matters in
:25:59. > :26:03.terms of the specialisation of medical staff. I'm not questioning
:26:04. > :26:08.that. The point the GPs are making is that it's not the number of GPs
:26:09. > :26:11.don't matter, of course it does. They are saying that these training
:26:12. > :26:15.places that are there and available to people, people are not coming
:26:16. > :26:19.forward to take up the traineeships. There is a stage before that which
:26:20. > :26:23.is actively training at university and university places that they have
:26:24. > :26:28.before they enter a traineeship. If you cut the number of places at
:26:29. > :26:34.university, then you cut the number of... We have not cut the number of
:26:35. > :26:41.university places... It comes back to whether we want to prioritise the
:26:42. > :26:47.NHS. If the NHS digital that we have the adequate number of GPs. The
:26:48. > :26:54.professionals are saying there is a GP writers. Unless the Scottish
:26:55. > :27:00.Government fund those, the Scottish Government... It will just come to
:27:01. > :27:06.any. We should be dealing with people much closer to home. Alex, do
:27:07. > :27:14.the Liberal Democrats think there is a crisis here? After all, the SNP
:27:15. > :27:20.have increased, or at least they have not allowed spending on health
:27:21. > :27:22.to decrease in real terms. I know we have heard from the professional
:27:23. > :27:27.saying there is a crisis, but cynics would say professionals in any
:27:28. > :27:30.profession always say there is a crisis because it is in their
:27:31. > :27:34.interest to hold out for more money and more resources. I think the only
:27:35. > :27:47.people who don't know that there is a crisis in this sector are the SNP.
:27:48. > :27:52.That is why we -- they have tabled a idea to remove the word serious from
:27:53. > :27:55.this. What is release Kerry is not just the number of places that
:27:56. > :27:59.aren't taken up, it is that those trainee GPs who are in place months
:28:00. > :28:06.right now, 50% of them are not domiciled in Scotland. --
:28:07. > :28:09.placements. We will even practice in Scotland. Even though we are
:28:10. > :28:15.training them, they may not even end up here. We need to recognise that
:28:16. > :28:22.even in our nation's capital, in Edinburgh Western, might
:28:23. > :28:25.constituency, we have needs that a vast inflated. Part of that is that
:28:26. > :28:29.it does not work hand-in-hand with planning. We are throwing up
:28:30. > :28:36.communities left right and centre. Particularly in urban areas without
:28:37. > :28:43.any thought to health services or. They are putting more drain. That is
:28:44. > :28:49.putting a massive strain on exhaustion and morale. Cleverly if
:28:50. > :28:55.we can swing right background you, if you are right, and it Jackie
:28:56. > :29:00.Baillie is wrong that there is a problem at university. If there is
:29:01. > :29:03.no trouble at universities training, what is Europe's place and for why
:29:04. > :29:08.the places that are being made available by the Government are not
:29:09. > :29:20.in taken up? I refuse to take lessons from Tories who cannot run
:29:21. > :29:29.the NHS... This is extraordinary. The levels of funding as a record
:29:30. > :29:34.levels. This is embarrassing. The funding is at record levels. I asked
:29:35. > :29:38.you a very straight question which you spent about half a minute
:29:39. > :29:43.avoiding. The question is this is that if you are right that the
:29:44. > :29:50.number of places at universities is fine... I can't hear you. If you are
:29:51. > :29:53.right that the number of places at university are not falling, had you
:29:54. > :29:57.explain the fact that the traineeships are the Scottish
:29:58. > :30:00.Government that are being made available are not being taken up? We
:30:01. > :30:05.need to tackle this from both ends. We need to take more people into
:30:06. > :30:10.university to train. We need to attract more people into GP training
:30:11. > :30:11.and we also need to look at getting GPs who have retired and perhaps
:30:12. > :30:23.left practice to come back into Miles, if we can climb back up to
:30:24. > :30:26.you again, what is your reply? If it is the case that traineeships are
:30:27. > :30:30.being made available by the Scottish Government and people are not coming
:30:31. > :30:39.forward to take them up, that is hardly the Scottish Government's
:30:40. > :30:43.fault, is it? I think what is key is our people do not depend on the SNP,
:30:44. > :30:49.they depend on the health service workers. After 9.5 years of being in
:30:50. > :30:57.power, it is time the SNP took responsibility for this crisis. How
:30:58. > :31:03.would you explain the fact that the places are there and people are not
:31:04. > :31:13.coming forward? As Alex mentioned, over half our GPs being in training,
:31:14. > :31:21.how we can fund that and keep people working, the SNP have not addressed
:31:22. > :31:25.that. It was Nicola Sturgeon who released the number of training
:31:26. > :31:30.places -- reduced the number of training places. I say to you that
:31:31. > :31:36.the SNP cut training places and it is now that we are reaping the
:31:37. > :31:40.reward. One sentence, Alex Cole-Hamilton? I think we need to
:31:41. > :31:43.invest in our GP surgery and practice managers because if you
:31:44. > :31:49.look at it, the funding for GPs has gone down from about 9% five years
:31:50. > :31:56.ago to 7% now. The Royal College of GPs are asking... We are facing a
:31:57. > :31:59.perfect storm of an ageing population and a rising population.
:32:00. > :32:04.You cannot keep sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending
:32:05. > :32:09.it is not happening. An entire profession is looking for your party
:32:10. > :32:15.and leadership. That was at least five sentences. And about 25
:32:16. > :32:18.subordinate clauses! We will have to leave it there. Thank you.
:32:19. > :32:21.Now, let's cross back to the chamber where the Scottish Government
:32:22. > :32:23.are responding to a Conservative motion criticising
:32:24. > :32:25.the government's record workforce planning for the NHS.
:32:26. > :32:37.Shona Robinson the Health Secretary is speaking now.
:32:38. > :32:46.We are looking at always of making those posts more attractive, and we
:32:47. > :32:49.have had some success with that. I recognise also the particular
:32:50. > :32:53.challenges we have within general practice which is why there has been
:32:54. > :32:59.such a key focus for me personally and this government on that, and
:33:00. > :33:04.extensive efforts made through the primary care transformation fund,
:33:05. > :33:09.the ?85 million investment in the next three years, the fact we are
:33:10. > :33:13.working with the BME on a new GP contract from 2017 onwards, the fact
:33:14. > :33:17.that we have got rid of all the bureaucracy that goes with it, so it
:33:18. > :33:21.is absolutely unfair for Donald Cameron to claim we have not been
:33:22. > :33:26.giving primary-care and general practice the priority it needs. Of
:33:27. > :33:29.course we have. While we have the highest number of GPs per head of
:33:30. > :33:34.population in the UK and that number has risen to an all-time high, we
:33:35. > :33:40.recognise we need to do more. And we need more GPs, we accept that. But
:33:41. > :33:48.it is not all about securing numbers. We have increased the
:33:49. > :33:51.training places for GPs to grow our GP workforce, encouraging trainee
:33:52. > :33:56.doctors into general practice, helping to make general practice
:33:57. > :33:59.more attractive option and encouraging established GPs to
:34:00. > :34:04.return to practice, but we need to do more, we accept that we need to
:34:05. > :34:08.have the multidisciplinary team around GPs and that is what we are
:34:09. > :34:14.working to do. But it is not simply a numbers game and I will give way
:34:15. > :34:21.on that point. Thank you. The multidisciplinary team will consist
:34:22. > :34:23.of midwives and health visitors. In Glasgow, the healthier wealthier
:34:24. > :34:29.children initiative has had a significant impact on those at risk
:34:30. > :34:33.of poverty. They have received ?11 million in benefits they might not
:34:34. > :34:37.have known about if it had not been for the well-informed midwives and
:34:38. > :34:42.health visitors. Will the government commit to Green manifesto calls that
:34:43. > :34:46.that scheme be rolled out across Scotland? I can say to Alison
:34:47. > :34:51.Johnston that I welcome the contribution made by health visitors
:34:52. > :34:58.and midwives through that project which we funded, and I think the
:34:59. > :35:09.role of the NHS staff and their partners in income maximisation is
:35:10. > :35:11.something that we need to make sure and tackling health inequalities,
:35:12. > :35:14.that everyone sees it as part of their role to do so. So, yes, I can
:35:15. > :35:17.commit to supporting the roll-out of that, and we can build that in
:35:18. > :35:21.through the workforce plans as we take that forward. I think the
:35:22. > :35:26.multidisciplinary model we have with link workers and others really lends
:35:27. > :35:34.itself well to seeing part of that as tackling inequalities and income
:35:35. > :35:38.maximisation also. NHS boards are required to have the correct staff
:35:39. > :35:42.to meet the needs of the service and ensure high-quality patient care. We
:35:43. > :35:47.are working very closely with boards and through the new world of
:35:48. > :35:50.integration to support their efforts on workforce planning and
:35:51. > :35:57.recruitment, and of course, we will work with the RCGP, BME and others,
:35:58. > :36:04.the RCN and others, to take that forward. We have a vision through
:36:05. > :36:09.the National clinical strategy and I intend to introduce proposals for a
:36:10. > :36:15.regional and national planning system in a draft national health
:36:16. > :36:18.care workforce plan by the end of the year, with the plan published in
:36:19. > :36:28.the spring of next year. I can assure... Mr Crowley was looking to
:36:29. > :36:32.intervene and I have told him it is too late...
:36:33. > :36:35.Now, major changes are being made to the new school qualifications.
:36:36. > :36:38.Assessments marked by teachers which make up part of a student's
:36:39. > :36:41.The government says it's been listening to teachers' worries
:36:42. > :36:45.The biggest teachers union says the change is very welcome,
:36:46. > :36:47.but says other concerns still need to be addressed.
:36:48. > :36:54.Here's our education correspondent Jamie McIvor.
:36:55. > :36:59.These are big changes which will affect both students and teachers.
:37:00. > :37:06.Assessments marked by teachers are an important part of National five
:37:07. > :37:10.and higher courses. Teachers say they have added to workload
:37:11. > :37:13.bureaucracy and stress. Now these assessments are to be scrapped. And
:37:14. > :37:17.greater significance is one earner is where young people will not be
:37:18. > :37:21.carrying as much pressure as they did in the past. But will assist
:37:22. > :37:25.young people concentrating on the achievement of their learning rather
:37:26. > :37:29.than purely and simply the assessment of their progress. Final
:37:30. > :37:35.exams will now be strengthened. Coursework will make up part of the
:37:36. > :37:44.final mark but this will be externally marked, reducing the
:37:45. > :37:53.workload of teachers. Some teachers have been on a work-to-rule as a
:37:54. > :37:56.result of this. More time and space for depth of learning, it is
:37:57. > :38:01.supposed our creativity at the heart of it, and for teachers, a
:38:02. > :38:05.significant reduction in the workload associated with
:38:06. > :38:09.bureaucracy. Changes will be made next year and changes to higher
:38:10. > :38:11.courses in 2018. The details of what this will mean for individual
:38:12. > :38:21.subjects will be decided later. Kieran Andrews is still with me.
:38:22. > :38:26.Let's talk about the NHS. Let's talk about language first. Watching that
:38:27. > :38:29.debate in Parliament, why do politicians speak like that? I have
:38:30. > :38:36.no idea what shown Robinson was trying to say. Did you understand
:38:37. > :38:40.it? No, I don't think anyone watching it unless you are familiar
:38:41. > :38:45.with the jargon of the NHS would understand it. I saw your interview
:38:46. > :38:50.with each of the politicians at Holyrood. When the questions are
:38:51. > :38:53.difficult, politicians like to speak and not say anything unless it
:38:54. > :38:57.scores a point against their opponents. At least they were
:38:58. > :39:03.speaking of something approximating the lush language. There is that!
:39:04. > :39:08.What you have here in terms of the GP crisis, the problem with
:39:09. > :39:13.recruiting GPs are straightforward to diagnose. It is a very stressful
:39:14. > :39:19.job. It might pay well, it might have good standing but it is very
:39:20. > :39:23.stressful. Increasingly long hours, especially for GPs who own their own
:39:24. > :39:27.practice. And if you're trying to recruit people to rural areas, it is
:39:28. > :39:32.difficult to attract people may be up to the islands or harder to reach
:39:33. > :39:37.areas. Do you think that explains why they have got places open and
:39:38. > :39:42.people not coming forward? Absolutely. A combination of those
:39:43. > :39:49.factors plus the Conservatives want to look at their immigration policy
:39:50. > :39:55.and post study work visas touched on by the GPs in the health committee
:39:56. > :39:59.about people not staying once they have finished university. It is a
:40:00. > :40:03.multifaceted problem. It is much more difficult to find a solution
:40:04. > :40:08.which is why politicians don't want to talk about the problem. You would
:40:09. > :40:11.think Scotland with its medical traditions could produce enough
:40:12. > :40:17.doctors, of all things, for heaven 's sake, you think we could do that?
:40:18. > :40:23.Indeed, but no one is talking about the problem of producing enough
:40:24. > :40:29.doctors, it is producing enough GPs. So a lot of them are going to become
:40:30. > :40:34.hospital consultants or researchers, it is this idea of saying go to
:40:35. > :40:39.somewhere in the north-west of Scotland and run a GP surgery?
:40:40. > :40:43.Absolutely. There are plenty of issues across the rest of the NHS
:40:44. > :40:48.with it creaking and possibly not enough resources. There are higher
:40:49. > :40:53.and higher demands, but the most obvious problem is within the GP
:40:54. > :40:59.sector and it is attracting people who go in and become medical
:41:00. > :41:04.students to go into that area. Isn't the obvious answer, you put their
:41:05. > :41:11.pay up? That is what the bankers always say! It you want to recruit
:41:12. > :41:15.them you have to pay them. We are clearly not paying enough especially
:41:16. > :41:21.for doctors in rural communities? Possibly. It has been trialled with
:41:22. > :41:27.rural areas with teachers. But these have been taken away as public
:41:28. > :41:31.services are cut. It is very difficult to justify cutting a
:41:32. > :41:34.social worker's salary in an unattractive area and a teacher's
:41:35. > :41:39.salary but saying GPs to get three times more you, you should get a wee
:41:40. > :41:44.bit extra on top of that. It might help the problem but it creates
:41:45. > :41:47.problems. Thank you. A majority of MSPs have voted
:41:48. > :41:50.in favour of a Scottish Government motion, amended by Labour,
:41:51. > :41:52.noting the "negative impact" that leaving the EU will have
:41:53. > :41:54.on the Scottish economy. Labour's amendment also called
:41:55. > :41:59.on Scottish ministers to do more A Conservative amendment calling
:42:00. > :42:01.for the Scottish Government to reduce business rates,
:42:02. > :42:03.and rule out a second independence referendum was
:42:04. > :42:04.defeated. The Scottish Government debate,
:42:05. > :42:06.looking at how Scotland's economy should respond to Brexit,
:42:07. > :42:20.began with the Economy Secretary, Scottish GDP is projected to be
:42:21. > :42:29.between 1.2 billion to 11 billion lower if Brexit does not occur. Now,
:42:30. > :42:32.we know that these forecasts are contingent on political and other
:42:33. > :42:40.events and reaction to those political events in the economy. The
:42:41. > :42:49.uncertainty immediately following the vote is impacting on economic
:42:50. > :42:54.issues. Our workers' rights going to be protected? Is a new holiday these
:42:55. > :42:59.attacks going to be introduced for people travelling to the EU? And
:43:00. > :43:03.there have been no answers on the most important question of all, will
:43:04. > :43:08.the UK remain inside the single market or do you believe, whoever
:43:09. > :43:15.speaks for the Conservative Party, do you believe that the UK should
:43:16. > :43:21.remain inside the single market? I would welcome, in addition to that
:43:22. > :43:25.answer, constructive ideas about how we can further support economic
:43:26. > :43:30.growth and from MEPs across the chamber. In that spirit, I would
:43:31. > :43:36.urge the Chancellor to exploit two key measures which could be taken to
:43:37. > :43:39.protect jobs. First of all, increased capital spending. An
:43:40. > :43:46.increase in 5 billion could produce an additional ?4 million spend in
:43:47. > :43:52.Scotland. Increased support for exporters. The depreciation of
:43:53. > :43:56.Stirling represents challenges to businesses in the UK but it also
:43:57. > :44:02.represents opportunities for companies to move into new Xbox
:44:03. > :44:07.markets. The UK should be investing more to support that -- export
:44:08. > :44:10.markets. I am putting forward a plan for how the UK Government can help
:44:11. > :44:19.at this critical juncture for our economy. I hope the Chancellor will
:44:20. > :44:24.act by the Autumn Statement. For our part, we have taken decisive and
:44:25. > :44:28.positive action to build on the economic strategy. ?100 million of
:44:29. > :44:34.capital investment provides immediate support to the Scottish
:44:35. > :44:41.economy. We have set up a new dedicated service for businesses
:44:42. > :44:46.affected by referendum uncertainty. And we have provided some loans of
:44:47. > :44:51.up to ?5 million for eligible businesses. As the Cabinet Secretary
:44:52. > :44:55.said we had good news on employment published last week. We have seen
:44:56. > :44:59.Scottish unemployment dipped below the UK level. But across a whole
:45:00. > :45:06.range of indicators, Scottish economic performance is lagging
:45:07. > :45:08.behind the UK as a whole. Whether that is GTB growth, business sales
:45:09. > :45:12.or confidence, we're not doing as well as we should be. That debunks
:45:13. > :45:16.the myth being put about in some quarters that any problems with the
:45:17. > :45:21.Scottish economy are purely the responsibility of the Brexit vote.
:45:22. > :45:23.The unique Scottish problem, but one which is holding backs got a
:45:24. > :45:29.recovery is the one they don't want to talk about on the their accession
:45:30. > :45:32.with an independence referendum. We have seen in recent weeks a whole
:45:33. > :45:35.range of business figures saying the last things Scotland needs at this
:45:36. > :45:40.point is another referendum. The last thing we need is another period
:45:41. > :45:44.of economic uncertainty, and yet, two years on from that last vote,
:45:45. > :45:49.one which we were told would be a once in a generation vote, all we
:45:50. > :45:55.hear from SNP figures is how and when another referendum should take
:45:56. > :46:01.place. In the wake of the Brexit vote, a survey of 320 firms across
:46:02. > :46:06.Scotland found 60% believed the outcome of the EU referendum will
:46:07. > :46:11.have a negative effect on their business. 67% believed the
:46:12. > :46:15.uncertainty created was an additional problem. As we all know,
:46:16. > :46:22.the people who will suffer most from any business downturn are those
:46:23. > :46:26.working people who are already on the most precarious contracts. Those
:46:27. > :46:30.who are already the lowest paid. We call on the Cabinet Secretary to
:46:31. > :46:36.join with us on calling on his own government to do more to stimulate
:46:37. > :46:41.investment. Let's look at how we can reclaim the economy so that it is
:46:42. > :46:46.run and its long-term strategic decisions are made in the interests
:46:47. > :46:52.of working people. Deputy Presiding Officer, I move the amendment in my
:46:53. > :46:54.name. That was Richard Leonard speaking there.
:46:55. > :46:57.Voting has ended in the bitter contest to be Labour party leader.
:46:58. > :47:00.More than 640,000 people have been choosing between Jeremy Corbyn
:47:01. > :47:09.The result will be announced on Saturday.
:47:10. > :47:18.The eternal sunshine is beating down on our correspondent David Porter.
:47:19. > :47:25.Yes, as far as the Labour leadership contest is concerned, it is all over
:47:26. > :47:30.now Bardi counting. How is it going to go and how will it play in the
:47:31. > :47:36.weeks and months ahead? Joining me now are two of my journalistic
:47:37. > :47:41.colleagues, David Maddox and Torvill Crichton. David, is there any doubt
:47:42. > :47:46.about how this contest will go? I don't think there's any doubt at
:47:47. > :47:52.all. I think Jeremy Corbyn has won it by a mile, possibly more. All the
:47:53. > :47:56.areas now see is whether the rebel MPs capitulate or how many of them
:47:57. > :48:00.capitulate and fall in line with him or how many go their own way and
:48:01. > :48:08.whether there is a bloodbath essentially. Lots of the selections
:48:09. > :48:12.of his moderates and we see a completely new Labour Party emerge
:48:13. > :48:17.from the wreckage? Torvill, do you agree with that assessment that it
:48:18. > :48:24.is Jeremy Corbyn and it is just by how many he wins by? He punched Owen
:48:25. > :48:28.Smith out of the ring. The new battle, Tom Watson versus Jeremy
:48:29. > :48:32.Corbyn. Tom Watson is more of a heavyweight, the deputy leader of
:48:33. > :48:48.the Labour Party and we saw the first round of that in the NEC. A
:48:49. > :48:55.0-0 draw. The Labour rebel MPs could walk back with dignity, Corbyn did
:48:56. > :49:02.not agree with that. A 2-0 result when getting a Scottish
:49:03. > :49:06.representative of the NEC and a Welsh representative. Kezia Dugdale
:49:07. > :49:11.is the Scottish leader. They put this deal through last night which
:49:12. > :49:17.is a personal win for her. We will deal with that specifically in a
:49:18. > :49:21.moment. Do you think it is possible but Jeremy Corbyn could do better
:49:22. > :49:25.this time? He got about 60% of the vote last time. How will that change
:49:26. > :49:31.the dynamics and tensions in the Labour Party? It is perfectly
:49:32. > :49:37.possible he could do better. John McDonnell is talking about 56% which
:49:38. > :49:42.means they probably expect 66%. His mandate will be even bigger. We will
:49:43. > :49:47.hear more about his mandate, more about direct control of the Labour
:49:48. > :49:52.Party. It is the new membership which has transformed membership.
:49:53. > :49:55.They are not all new. You meet a lot of old timer Labour Party store
:49:56. > :50:02.Watts who have been through thick and thin who are fed up and don't
:50:03. > :50:08.think middle ground is the answer and they like Corbyn. It is not just
:50:09. > :50:12.the entry is it you have old Labour activists who support Corbyn as
:50:13. > :50:18.well. He wants to empower them and at the same time, that means
:50:19. > :50:22.somebody loses. The people who will lose are the Labour MPs who want to
:50:23. > :50:28.do something as boring as getting Labour into power in this country.
:50:29. > :50:33.He is not interested in that. He is interested in building a big social
:50:34. > :50:38.movement across the UK. Three quarters of his Shadow Cabinet
:50:39. > :50:42.walked out. Is it possible that he can, for want of a better phrase,
:50:43. > :50:47.patch this relationship back together again? I am not sure that
:50:48. > :50:55.he needs to. I disagree with Torquil and away. The fight now is between
:50:56. > :51:00.Tom Watson and Jeremy Corbyn. Owen Smith was not up to it. I don't
:51:01. > :51:04.think Tom Watson has any ground to stand on really. If Corbyn, as we
:51:05. > :51:08.expect, comes in with a bigger mandate, then he has this mass
:51:09. > :51:12.movement behind him, he will be able to rewrite the party rules, he will
:51:13. > :51:17.be able to tell the MPs to be the fall in line or get out, and maybe
:51:18. > :51:24.it would be him doing it, maybe it will be John McDonnell who seems to
:51:25. > :51:28.be the iron fist in the velvet glove, and I really think we will
:51:29. > :51:33.see a fairly brutal reshaping of the Labour Party into a very hard left
:51:34. > :51:37.force in British politics. But they will not roll over and die these
:51:38. > :51:43.Labour MPs. I don't think we will see this fight this weekend. So many
:51:44. > :51:48.rebel MPs will not even go to the conference because they know they
:51:49. > :51:58.will get physically beaten up their -- figuratively beaten up there. Tom
:51:59. > :52:08.Watson, much as Jeremy Corbyn was supported by Unite, Tom Watson has
:52:09. > :52:12.links as well. A story we ran today, there is a plan involving Unite
:52:13. > :52:16.bankrolling to get rid of the regional directors. No one will have
:52:17. > :52:19.heard of the regional directors but they are important people who
:52:20. > :52:27.organise the party across the country. You get rid of them and you
:52:28. > :52:33.get rid of the thin red line between deselection and the Lamenting
:52:34. > :52:44.groups. It takes away all protection the moderate MPs have. -- the
:52:45. > :52:47.Momentum groups. Are we going to see a situation where Labour could
:52:48. > :52:53.split, the parliamentary party and Jeremy Corbyn's party there could be
:52:54. > :52:59.some kind of schism? I don't detect that. Where would they go? As the
:53:00. > :53:06.Lib Dems showed us this week, there is hardly any middle ground left in
:53:07. > :53:13.politics. You have a Corbyn Labour Party, a Brexit Tory party, and
:53:14. > :53:21.nationalistic SNP, very little middle road, middle ground politics
:53:22. > :53:27.in Britain right now. The problem is not Will Bayley 's? Will all be
:53:28. > :53:33.middle ground Owen Smith, Tom Watson supporting members leave and leave
:53:34. > :53:38.the party and vacate the ground? Is that a view that you share, that the
:53:39. > :53:44.Labour MPs will hunker down the moderate supporters will say this is
:53:45. > :53:48.not for me now? I think they will. Some will accept their fate as such.
:53:49. > :53:52.But I think the problem for the party is not Labour members as such,
:53:53. > :53:58.or even moderate Labour members, it is those people who voted Labour all
:53:59. > :54:02.their lives but were not party members who will just go elsewhere.
:54:03. > :54:08.They will go to the Conservatives, Ukip and the Lib Dems. That raises
:54:09. > :54:12.an interesting question. If Theresa May is looking at this and all the
:54:13. > :54:15.problems she has got with the Brexit negotiations, could she be tempted
:54:16. > :54:20.to say I will hold that general election sooner rather than later? I
:54:21. > :54:24.think it is a possibility. I have always thought it was a possibility.
:54:25. > :54:32.Her pictures to the centre ground. I know that has been the argument
:54:33. > :54:35.about grammar schools but that is pitched at middle-class working
:54:36. > :54:41.parents. It is not pitched at traditional Tory voters. I think she
:54:42. > :54:46.could do it. She would have to change the law in here to overcome
:54:47. > :54:50.the fixed term parliament act. Jeremy Corbyn would welcome it.
:54:51. > :54:54.Defeat is not really defeat for Corbyn, it just means he gets rid of
:54:55. > :55:00.a few troublesome MPs and at the next election be able to replace
:55:01. > :55:05.them and he can place them with candidates more in his own mould. A
:55:06. > :55:11.big fight within Labour. Labour are not really looking outwards to see
:55:12. > :55:17.if there will be a general election. Their fight is internal. Thank you
:55:18. > :55:20.both for a much for joining us. Gordon, we will get a flavour of the
:55:21. > :55:25.reaction to the new Labour leader, whoever that will be when they are
:55:26. > :55:28.elected on Saturday next week. Thank you.
:55:29. > :55:33.Let's get some final thoughts from Kieran Andrews.
:55:34. > :55:43.I presume you agree that Jeremy Corbyn is likely to win? You talk
:55:44. > :55:49.about a greater mandate. Last time Jeremy Corbyn had 60%. That was with
:55:50. > :55:53.three other candidates. If you did not get a wider percentage this time
:55:54. > :55:58.it would be surprising in a head-to-head against a wishy-washy,
:55:59. > :56:05.not up to a great deal Owen Smith. It is just a mess. The UK Labour
:56:06. > :56:09.Party at this time, where David Maddox touched on the Tories there,
:56:10. > :56:14.looking at grammar schools and Brexit, however you think they are
:56:15. > :56:18.handling it, any of these issues, it is pretty controversial either way.
:56:19. > :56:23.They are doing things which will affect a great any people's
:56:24. > :56:26.day-to-day lives. Even the Lib Dems at their conference, Tim Farron
:56:27. > :56:32.talking about putting money on income taxes to increase health
:56:33. > :56:36.spending. What is Labour's big pitch to the country, how they reorganised
:56:37. > :56:40.the Shadow Cabinet, how they run their internal politics. It is
:56:41. > :56:45.things that people don't care about, navel-gazing that will not get them
:56:46. > :56:51.back into power in any way, shape or form if they continue down this
:56:52. > :56:56.road. What you think the MPs who disagree with Jeremy Corbyn might do
:56:57. > :57:01.following this? Everyone is saying they will be unhappy if Jeremy
:57:02. > :57:10.Corbyn wins. They say I'm likely to split so what happens, it just goes
:57:11. > :57:20.on and happily forever. The most obvious place for someone to give is
:57:21. > :57:26.at an election. Jeremy Corbyn has not been tested with the electorate
:57:27. > :57:32.properly yet despite what he says about council by-elections. Which we
:57:33. > :57:36.should point out, Labour have done quite well in, while everybody has
:57:37. > :57:41.been saying what a disaster Corbyn is. When it has come to the test, so
:57:42. > :57:54.far he has done quite well. Absolutely. They gained in Glasgow
:57:55. > :58:00.and in Fife. The test so far but it takes a knockout 12 it takes a
:58:01. > :58:03.knockout one to test Jeremy Corbyn. Join us for First Minister's
:58:04. > :58:05.Questions tomorrow on BBC Two We'll be back next
:58:06. > :58:10.Wednesday, join us then. Unparalleled talent,
:58:11. > :58:49.unprecedented access. BBC Two takes a sneaky peek
:58:50. > :58:52.behind the celebrity curtain. Go out there, grab it with both
:58:53. > :58:57.hands and stick it in your mouth. Easy peasy, get yourself
:58:58. > :59:01.a catchphrase.