:00:20. > :00:26.Our warm welcome to the Scottish Parliament at Holyrood. The big
:00:26. > :00:31.topic of conversation among MSPs is the fall-out from John Swinney's
:00:31. > :00:35.Budget statement yesterday, the spending implications and plans and
:00:35. > :00:41.attempts to reshape the public sector. That imposition on
:00:41. > :00:45.retailers to sell alcohol and tobacco, loads to talk about. The
:00:45. > :00:51.these and other matters will come up in questions to the First
:00:51. > :00:56.Minister. We now go to the chamber and my colleague, Glenn Campbell.
:00:56. > :01:01.Questions at the moment on Freedom of Information and would be
:01:01. > :01:06.Government make plans to extend the cover to other areas. We have also
:01:06. > :01:12.had questions on transport, shared equity schemes, whistle blowing in
:01:13. > :01:19.the National Health Service, such is the variety of question time
:01:19. > :01:24.here in Holyrood. We are now heading towards the main event,
:01:24. > :01:28.questions to the First Minister, and as Brian was saying I think
:01:28. > :01:32.that the budget and plans the Scottish Government has for
:01:32. > :01:36.spending over the next three years will probably dominate. Iain Gray
:01:36. > :01:40.for Labour goes first, and it is the Conservatives' turn.
:01:40. > :01:45.Question number one, Iain Gray. To ask the First Minister what
:01:45. > :01:51.engagements he has planned for the rest of the day. The I am delighted
:01:51. > :01:57.to say later today and will be meeting with a chief executive
:01:57. > :02:02.whose company is to establish a new centre of excellence in Broxburn
:02:02. > :02:08.creating 250 new jobs and safeguarding 1,000 others.
:02:08. > :02:12.Among the new jobs will be up to 100 modern apprenticeships, which
:02:12. > :02:17.will use public support as a lever for job creation and training
:02:17. > :02:27.opportunities. I know the whole chamber will will come this latest
:02:27. > :02:28.
:02:28. > :02:33.in a long line of welcome additions. The Labour has been a big supporter
:02:33. > :02:39.of moderate apprenticeships. 100 modern apprenticeships are
:02:39. > :02:44.always welcome but there are 172,000 young Scots unemployed.
:02:44. > :02:47.Those are levels last seen under the Tory Government in 1992. Why on
:02:47. > :02:54.earth did the First Minister cut further education in his Budget
:02:54. > :02:58.yesterday. -- in his Budget yesterday? I am glad that Iain Gray
:02:58. > :03:06.welcomes modern apprenticeships. Can we just have remembered Modern
:03:06. > :03:10.apprenticeship snow in Scotland, at 25,000 per year for the next five
:03:10. > :03:19.years, are 60 % higher than the level inherited from the Labour
:03:19. > :03:29.Party. As Iain Gray notes, in terms of the Budget, the remarkable
:03:29. > :03:33.things that funding for further and higher education has produced is
:03:33. > :03:37.against cuts in Westminster that are the worst in a generation.
:03:37. > :03:41.Many of those modern apprenticeships are delivered by
:03:41. > :03:49.Scotland's colleges. He cut a further education last year, and
:03:49. > :03:53.has cut it again in real terms by 20 %. I spoke to Scotland's
:03:53. > :03:59.colleges today. They do not believe they can sustain their contribution
:03:59. > :04:03.to the apprenticeships with this scale of cuts. 1,000 jobs have
:04:03. > :04:10.already gone from our colleges and it is clear student places are next.
:04:10. > :04:18.Last week, Microsoft will does he will shut colleges. -- Mike Russell
:04:18. > :04:25.told as he will shot colleges. Let us have the truth about the
:04:26. > :04:29.education cuts. How many colleges will they get rid of? 10, 20 or 30?
:04:29. > :04:34.A if we are dealing with truth, let's be accurate about what was
:04:34. > :04:41.said. Mike Russell talked about mergers with colleges being
:04:41. > :04:48.productive. As indeed we have had recently in the City of Glasgow,
:04:48. > :04:50.which was even supported by the Labour Party in that great city.
:04:50. > :05:00.The 25,000 modern apprenticeships per year it will be achieved in
:05:00. > :05:01.
:05:01. > :05:08.Scotland, as well the 100,000 training places, and our Investment
:05:08. > :05:18.in post 16 education will rise from 1.9 2 billion to 1.99 bn, an
:05:18. > :05:20.
:05:20. > :05:25.increase of 3.5 %. -- 1.9 2 billion to 1.99 bn. I would have thought
:05:26. > :05:30.just a passing mention from Iain Gray in welcoming opportunities for
:05:30. > :05:36.all, and training opportunity for every young stuff between the ages
:05:36. > :05:39.of 16 to 19 in Scotland, would have come. He that not something this
:05:39. > :05:48.entire Parliament should unite behind?
:05:48. > :05:55.Yes, indeed, I agree absolutely with the SNP's George Kevin, who
:05:55. > :06:00.referred to this policy as being from straight out of the Labour's
:06:00. > :06:04.manifesto, but that is the trouble with that. The trouble is, those
:06:04. > :06:09.who has to deliver these training places do not believe they will be
:06:09. > :06:14.able to do it when they'd have to deliver a 20 % cut. Back in the 90s,
:06:14. > :06:19.when we had youth unemployment like this, even the Tories created new
:06:19. > :06:26.colleges and universities to expand opportunity. But this Government
:06:26. > :06:33.will close them down. It is not just colleges - he is going to get
:06:33. > :06:39.rid of universities, too. Everyone knows Mike Russell has a hit list,
:06:40. > :06:45.so let us have the truth. Which universities has he decided to
:06:46. > :06:50.close? I Noel Iain Gray, throughout his
:06:50. > :06:57.time as Labour Leader, has led with his chin at First Minister's
:06:57. > :07:00.Questions, but this takes the biscuit. Has he seen any of the
:07:00. > :07:05.statements from university principals over the last 24 hours?
:07:05. > :07:09.The convenor of universities - this is a significant investment in
:07:09. > :07:12.Scotland's universities, one which will put the sector won a
:07:12. > :07:18.competitive footing for the future. The Scottish Government has closed
:07:18. > :07:25.the funding gap facing Scottish universities. Convenor of
:07:25. > :07:34.universities Scotland - the Scottish Government continues to
:07:34. > :07:38.give over �1 billion per year to the Scottish economy. Best of all,
:07:38. > :07:42.Professor Anton muscatel lake, someone who has not always been the
:07:42. > :07:52.most enthusiastic person for the Scottish Government, he should have
:07:52. > :07:55.his day today. I strongly welcomed the announcement of the Scottish
:07:55. > :08:00.Government's Spending Review. This is a fantastic commitment by the
:08:00. > :08:06.Scottish Government which the Leeds the funding of the -- which fully
:08:06. > :08:10.meets the needs of higher education in Scotland. Given that endorsement,
:08:11. > :08:17.will Iain Gray find it in his heart to realise the Scottish Government
:08:17. > :08:23.are investing in the future of Scotland?
:08:23. > :08:27.The fact is, the First Minister is going to close that Professor's --
:08:27. > :08:37.is not going to close that Professor's University, he is going
:08:37. > :08:42.
:08:42. > :08:52.to close above take university. 500 staff at 5,000 students. -- Abertay
:08:52. > :08:58.University. They are top of Mike Russell's hit list. Will the First
:08:58. > :09:03.Minister tell us, is he going to close that a university?
:09:03. > :09:08.I read out the vice convener of universities Scotland's statement,
:09:08. > :09:13.and I have already pointed out that Iain Gray twice in this session has
:09:13. > :09:16.totally misrepresented the Education Secretary. Given that
:09:16. > :09:20.nobody in this country believes the Labour Party, if they had been in
:09:20. > :09:27.Government, would have funded our universities to anything like this
:09:27. > :09:36.extent, can Iain Gray find it in himself to agree with university
:09:36. > :09:43.Scotland, -- universities Scotland, that this is a fantastic settlement
:09:43. > :09:49.for Scotland. Annabel Goldie.
:09:49. > :09:56.To ask the First Minister at - I read in the Scottish newspapers he
:09:56. > :10:00.likes to be styled excellence lay - when he plans to meet the Secretary
:10:00. > :10:04.of State for Scotland. I have no plans to meet the
:10:05. > :10:08.Secretary of State for Scotland in the near future.
:10:08. > :10:15.The First Minister likes to wax lyrical about the powers he does
:10:15. > :10:19.not have, like corporation tax. Can I ask the First Minister how many
:10:19. > :10:24.businesses in Scotland would benefit for his recent proposals
:10:24. > :10:34.for a corporation tax cut? It would create tens of thousands
:10:34. > :10:34.
:10:34. > :10:40.of new jobs in Scotland. I heard from the CBI that they were
:10:40. > :10:48.thoroughly in favour of such a move. It was the CBI of Northern Ireland,
:10:48. > :10:56.of course, who saw the advantages of such a move! I wonder why the
:10:56. > :11:01.CBI in Scotland cannot follow their example. I notice that only two
:11:01. > :11:05.places along the bench from Annabel Goldie is David McLetchie. If I
:11:05. > :11:09.remember correctly, he signed up to the declaration of Wendy Alexander
:11:09. > :11:14.that if any other country had Palmer's over corporation tax, this
:11:14. > :11:18.Parliament and this Government should have them as well.
:11:18. > :11:23.It is not the CBI or David McLetchie who is sitting over there
:11:23. > :11:28.to answer questions, it is the First Minister. That is not the
:11:28. > :11:31.question I asked. Let me give them an answer, because he does not want
:11:31. > :11:38.to admit it. According to the Scottish Parliament's own research,
:11:38. > :11:43.fewer than 3% of all businesses in Scotland would benefit. By the
:11:43. > :11:50.Government's own admission, the creation of their estimated 27,000
:11:50. > :11:54.new jobs by reducing corporation tax would take 20 years. I am all
:11:54. > :11:59.in favour of cutting tax for business, but the First Minister
:11:59. > :12:05.has attacks power he can use now, and it is called business rates,
:12:05. > :12:10.paid by the vast majority of all businesses in Scotland, not just 3%.
:12:10. > :12:20.In a press release from the Deputy First Minister, no less, we are
:12:20. > :12:25.
:12:25. > :12:35.told that the small business bonus - delivered by the Conservatives...
:12:35. > :12:36.
:12:36. > :12:41.Without the votes from these benches there would be no small
:12:41. > :12:45.business bonus. That deliverance created 40,000 new jobs in just 40
:12:45. > :12:53.years at a fraction of the cost of the First Minister's proposal for
:12:53. > :12:57.corporation tax, so why on earth was yesterday's budget silent on
:12:57. > :13:03.extending more help to more businesses, large and small, to cut
:13:03. > :13:07.their businesses -- to cut their business rates and create more jobs
:13:07. > :13:11.are now? I don't know if Annabel Goldie
:13:11. > :13:15.bothered to look at the reaction of the Small Business Federation to
:13:15. > :13:19.yesterday's budget, but it was incredibly enthusiastic, both about
:13:19. > :13:24.closing the disparity between small retailers and larger retailers in
:13:24. > :13:30.terms of the measures taken, but in particular the continuation of the
:13:30. > :13:34.small business bonus. The most extraordinary, fantastic incentive
:13:34. > :13:42.helping 80,000 businesses across Scotland and giving small business
:13:42. > :13:46.at �3,000 advantage over businesses elsewhere in these islands. One of
:13:46. > :13:50.the great things about being a majority Government is that Annabel
:13:50. > :13:58.Goldie will no longer be able to claim the credit for SNP policies.
:13:58. > :14:03.I put it to Annabel Goldie, let me put it as simply as possible as a
:14:03. > :14:07.matter of arithmetic, given we know longer depend on the faults of the
:14:08. > :14:12.Conservative Party in this Budget, does it not follow that the
:14:12. > :14:16.decision to continue with the small business bonus, this fantastic
:14:16. > :14:21.scheme benefiting 80,000 small businesses across Scotland, must
:14:21. > :14:28.now, by definition, be entirely the responsibility of this SNP
:14:28. > :14:32.Government? Constituency question.
:14:32. > :14:37.Thank you, Presiding Officer. Since Iain Gray did not get an answer to
:14:37. > :14:41.his final question, can the First Minister confirmed what was
:14:41. > :14:44.reported in the Herald on Monday that the Cabinet Secretary for
:14:44. > :14:50.Education is in favour of above tape and Dundee University's
:14:50. > :14:56.merging? That is not what Iain Gray asked.
:14:56. > :15:01.As I tried to point out a number of times, Iain Gray twice said that
:15:01. > :15:05.the Cabinet Secretary had proposed the closure of further and higher
:15:05. > :15:08.education institutions. The Cabinet Secretary never did any such thing,
:15:08. > :15:16.he opened up the possibility of mergers as we have seen that
:15:16. > :15:20.mergers in the sector before. I am sure that she knows the College of
:15:20. > :15:26.Art in Edinburgh or merged recently with the University of Edinburgh.
:15:26. > :15:35.In terms of accuracy, I know she asked her? Much more carefully than
:15:35. > :15:38.her current party leader. Perhaps a candidacy may be in the offing.
:15:38. > :15:43.Mergers of higher education institutions have happened many
:15:43. > :15:52.times in Scottish education history, and it is entirely different from
:15:52. > :15:56.The First Minister will be aware of the fast resignation of the
:15:56. > :15:59.monitoring group set up by the Health Secretary and they did so
:15:59. > :16:02.because they felt their pews were substantially ignored by the Health
:16:02. > :16:06.Board and that is demonstrated by their proposal to close the ward
:16:06. > :16:13.which provides in-patient mental health services. On the basis on
:16:13. > :16:16.the increase of cases, that means an inability to cope and patience
:16:16. > :16:19.to my committee being sent to Lanarkshire and Ayrshire. Well he'd
:16:19. > :16:25.meet with me and the lay members concerned to discuss their
:16:25. > :16:29.concerns? I'm sure the Health Secretary will be glad to agree to
:16:29. > :16:33.that and we are disappointed by the decision of lay members and we were
:16:33. > :16:37.grateful to the monitoring group for their input into the
:16:37. > :16:43.supplementation. We are fully aware of the strength of feeling in
:16:43. > :16:47.support of the ward and that is by Abe Kaplan secretary published this
:16:47. > :16:51.in 2009 and therefore the Health Secretary will be delighted to meet
:16:51. > :16:55.with the members to pursue these talks and I would as gently as I
:16:55. > :17:00.can point out to Jackie Baillie that if it had been up to Jackie
:17:00. > :17:08.Pele and the Labour Party, there would not being at the lovely Downe
:17:08. > :17:11.hospital to have these talks. -- Dave Vale of leaves. Does the
:17:11. > :17:15.Scottish Government plan to impose a cap on the gusts of the railway
:17:15. > :17:21.project in the borders? A community to delivering the Borders railway
:17:21. > :17:25.project within budget is in place. Does the First Minister understand
:17:25. > :17:30.the concerns arising from reports this week of mounting costs and
:17:30. > :17:34.mounting delays in this NPD financed project? Given his
:17:34. > :17:39.Government's choice of this funding net that, can he explain what else
:17:39. > :17:43.he will do if he isn't pursuing a cap if the sole remaining better
:17:43. > :17:48.seeks to further increase the price of completing the project?
:17:48. > :17:52.timescales referred to in the meeting are consistent with our
:17:52. > :17:59.programme on budget and by 20th December 14. We have publicly put
:18:00. > :18:02.the construction figure between 235 and �225 million. The Minister for
:18:02. > :18:05.Transport will make an announcement on the future delivery of this
:18:05. > :18:12.project in the near future and it would like to add to things. The
:18:12. > :18:17.track record of delivering huge budgets under budget, the end 74
:18:17. > :18:22.and the end 84, is impeccable compared to the last administration
:18:22. > :18:27.and when he was transport minister, not only did he not 0.1 penny into
:18:27. > :18:31.the borders will a project, which she claimed to be supporting, but
:18:31. > :18:38.he was a major sponsor of the Private Finance Initiative which
:18:38. > :18:45.only this week yet again we have seen details other cost to future
:18:45. > :18:51.generations of Scots from that misguided policy. Can I further
:18:51. > :18:57.reminder First Minister that on the Labour lead them watch, the
:18:57. > :19:04.sterling allowed to Cartland line went to �85 million and was two
:19:04. > :19:10.years late. Notwithstanding, there was a question. Mr Tavish Scott
:19:10. > :19:14.said it would be up and running by 2007. Does he therefore agree that
:19:14. > :19:24.he needs no lessons on delivering transport projects on budget or on
:19:24. > :19:24.
:19:24. > :19:29.time from the opposition? Yes, I do. But the cost of railway projects is
:19:29. > :19:33.an important aspect of this chamber should acknowledge and therefore,
:19:34. > :19:39.the example of the cost of 375 millions, the largest commuter line
:19:39. > :19:43.opened in the last century, in Scotland, the official opening this
:19:43. > :19:51.year within budget is testimony to the track record of this Government
:19:51. > :19:55.compared to our predecessors. has been five years since the
:19:55. > :20:00.Railway Bill was passed. Does the First Minister really expect people
:20:00. > :20:05.around the borders to believe that trains will road into the
:20:05. > :20:08.communities in 2014 when the timetable keeps going back and back
:20:08. > :20:17.and the Minister for Transport in 2009 stated that the contract...
:20:17. > :20:22.Your question? Can he give us some specific date as to win we can all
:20:22. > :20:28.go online and book tickets to Galashiels? Can I repeat what I
:20:28. > :20:32.said. The timescales referred to in the media are consistent with the
:20:32. > :20:37.programme for delivering the Borders railway on budget and by
:20:37. > :20:42.20th December 14. And the confidence that he can have in that
:20:42. > :20:46.statement is based on the confidence and the strong delivery
:20:46. > :20:49.record of Transport Scotland in terms of this Government's term of
:20:49. > :20:55.office, which in project after project has been delivered on time
:20:55. > :20:58.and on budget. We should not allow the mistakes of the past committed
:20:58. > :21:08.by other parties to do his confidence in the ability of this
:21:08. > :21:11.Government to find a way to deliver this project on time and on budget.
:21:11. > :21:14.What recent discussions has the Government had with the UK
:21:14. > :21:19.government regarding transmission charges for companies wishing to
:21:19. > :21:24.connect to the UK grid? Scottish Government and Indeed
:21:24. > :21:26.supported by other voices across this chamber have long argued that
:21:26. > :21:31.rapidly-changing the energy sector and the current charging regime
:21:31. > :21:36.makes no sense and must be changed. Scotland has some of the greatest
:21:36. > :21:40.low carbon energy areas in Europe yet depressing approach sees
:21:40. > :21:44.Scotland generally in the areas of the highest renewable resource and
:21:44. > :21:47.paying the highest charges. We have substantial hopes that we will be
:21:47. > :21:51.on the brink of a breakthrough of this matter and we are still
:21:51. > :22:00.confident of a better outcome but I would like to see the decoration
:22:00. > :22:06.from OFGEM sooner rather than later. Thank you. Earlier this week,
:22:06. > :22:13.Scottish renewables Chief Executive proposed 1600 megawatts of wave and
:22:13. > :22:17.tidal projects planned for Orkney waters and they face an annual
:22:17. > :22:24.charge of �56 million compared to an �11 million subsidy if they were
:22:24. > :22:30.on the south-west coast of England. Is there any case for this unfair
:22:30. > :22:35.discrepancy in charges? And when the First Minister again urge the
:22:35. > :22:40.UK government to look again at this issue? I have pressed this issue
:22:40. > :22:44.and many times with the previous and current government. I have my
:22:44. > :22:49.most recent letter for the Secretary of State for Energy and
:22:49. > :22:53.climate change when I argued for a level playing field. Mr Sheehan's
:22:53. > :22:56.most recent response indicated broad agreement with that. Can I
:22:56. > :23:01.remind people across the chamber that the last time this was voted
:23:01. > :23:04.for in this Parliament, it was carried with no votes against and
:23:04. > :23:09.there should be a more equitable approach to transmission charging
:23:10. > :23:16.across the UK. One that did not discriminate against Scotland and
:23:16. > :23:21.parts of Scotland in particular. The result of that division was 457
:23:21. > :23:23.against, carrying the support of the main parties. 52 abstentions
:23:23. > :23:26.and I do not understand why the Conservatives and Labour parties
:23:27. > :23:30.could not find it in their hard to argue that Scottish generators
:23:30. > :23:40.should get an equal deal to mobilise the great resources of
:23:40. > :23:40.
:23:40. > :23:43.Scotland? The First Minister has welcomed the project transmit
:23:43. > :23:47.undertaken by the current government and I'm sure he will
:23:47. > :23:51.welcome the extension to the time frame for the project to allow all
:23:51. > :23:56.of these issues to be fleshed out but he will have noticed from
:23:56. > :23:58.Scottish renewables and their report about the large
:23:58. > :24:02.discrepancies, particularly in Ireland areas and does he think
:24:02. > :24:09.there is a case for separating the issues relating to Ireland areas
:24:09. > :24:13.compared to the rest of the UK? They should not be any log jam. We
:24:13. > :24:19.have every reason to believe that the announcements from OFGEM which
:24:19. > :24:26.were expected this autumn would bring about the closing of this
:24:26. > :24:28.massive disparity and we believe we have the support of the United
:24:28. > :24:31.Kingdom Secretary for energy and cannot change and we are still
:24:31. > :24:37.confident that we will get a resolution of this long-standing
:24:37. > :24:43.and quite disgraceful piece of discrimination. I am surprised to
:24:43. > :24:49.hear the member welcomed the delay in coming to that conclusion. Our
:24:49. > :24:52.belief was that he would have a resolution this autumn and why it
:24:52. > :24:56.is so important is that the decisions and the investment
:24:56. > :25:01.decisions cannot wait for OFGEM to have another six months of talking
:25:01. > :25:06.when we need action and we believe we had at principled agreement that
:25:06. > :25:12.action would be taken so I know that Liam will add his for us to
:25:12. > :25:20.the many voices across Scotland who say this disparity must be closed
:25:20. > :25:24.and closed now. What action is the Scottish Government taking
:25:24. > :25:31.following the loss of 1000 jobs in the further education sector over
:25:31. > :25:34.the last year? It is important for every member that he will protect
:25:34. > :25:40.college places for young Scots and we are providing a record number of
:25:40. > :25:44.training opportunities, including a commitment to their awarding of a
:25:44. > :25:48.training place to all 16 - 19 year- olds and reform that means we can
:25:48. > :25:51.deliver these opportunities for young Scots. The Government has
:25:51. > :25:54.reiterated the causes and principles and the importance of
:25:54. > :26:01.avoiding compulsory redundancies and that is something being
:26:01. > :26:05.achieved in almost every college. would be intrigued to know how
:26:05. > :26:10.yesterday's announcement of 20% cuts in colleges budgets is going
:26:10. > :26:15.to help prevent future job losses. I am glad he mentioned college
:26:15. > :26:18.places because it would like to ask him a further question. Can the
:26:19. > :26:24.First Minister guarantee that despite these cuts, he will meet
:26:24. > :26:29.his own election manifesto promise to maintain the number of college
:26:29. > :26:33.places for Scotland's students over the lifetime of this Parliament?
:26:33. > :26:39.will make not just that manifesto commitment but the other manifesto
:26:39. > :26:43.commitments which were so strongly supported by the Scottish people.
:26:43. > :26:48.As far as a compulsory redundancies are concerned, I would welcome
:26:48. > :26:50.again at the Labour Party's support for the urging of the education
:26:50. > :26:55.ministers and urging the colleges to go down the road of other
:26:55. > :26:59.aspects of public sectors in the control of this government and
:26:59. > :27:07.avoiding compulsory redundancies. I should say that many colleges have
:27:07. > :27:13.already given that commitment. the First Minister agree that there
:27:13. > :27:17.is nothing more inspirational for fans and players alike than the
:27:17. > :27:20.sound of the pipes. Does he share the disappointment of hundreds of
:27:21. > :27:29.Scottish fans who have travelled halfway across the world to support
:27:29. > :27:36.the national team... Excuse me... I'm sorry. That has nothing to do
:27:36. > :27:39.with the question posed. Question number six... To as the first but
:27:39. > :27:42.as to whether the Scottish Government has received a response
:27:42. > :27:46.from the Advocate-General to the final report of the review of the
:27:46. > :27:52.relationship between a High Court and the Supreme Court in criminal
:27:52. > :27:56.cases? I understand the Advocate General wrote yesterday indicating
:27:56. > :27:59.that he would reflect further on their conclusions of the review and
:27:59. > :28:04.the group has recommended a resolution to the clear anomaly
:28:04. > :28:06.where an appeal to the UK Supreme Court is refused by the highest
:28:06. > :28:11.court in Scotland but there is still potential for leave to be
:28:11. > :28:16.granted. That isn't possible for cases coming from English courts
:28:16. > :28:24.and the review group agrees that there is no comprehensible reason
:28:24. > :28:27.for this inconsistency. There we have it. The end of the programme.
:28:28. > :28:32.The biggest controversy is over the implications of John Swinney's
:28:32. > :28:35.budget statement. Iain Gray going on the question of colleges,
:28:35. > :28:40.suggesting there was a hit list and that was denied. Although he was