28/09/2016

:00:18. > :00:18.Hello and welcome to Politics Scotland.

:00:19. > :00:20.Coming up on the programme this afternoon.

:00:21. > :00:22.It's the final day of the Labour Party conference.

:00:23. > :00:30.Is there any chance of unity in the party?

:00:31. > :00:32.And as Scotland's tourist industry booms, whatever happened

:00:33. > :00:45.a reaction to Jeremy Corbyn's speech. And who knows, there may

:00:46. > :00:47.even be a true minute as well. -- a tune in it as well.

:00:48. > :00:49.It's the final day of the Labour Party conference.

:00:50. > :00:51.Jeremy Corbyn delivers his main speech later this afternoon

:00:52. > :00:53.and brings the curtain down on the conference.

:00:54. > :00:55.The word we've heard most often at this gathering -

:00:56. > :00:57.perhaps more in hope than expectation - is unity.

:00:58. > :00:59.After the shadow cabinet resignations and leadership

:01:00. > :01:02.challenge - is there any chance the Labour family as they

:01:03. > :01:04.like to call themselves, will put the knives back

:01:05. > :01:10.Our Westminster correspondent David Porter is in Liverpool.

:01:11. > :01:19.What is the mood like? Well, to use your analogy, they may have put

:01:20. > :01:23.those lives back in the draw but they have not put the childproof

:01:24. > :01:27.locks on. Lots of people here are not particularly keen on Jeremy

:01:28. > :01:32.Corbyn as the Labour leader. What we have seen this week, I think, is

:01:33. > :01:36.somebody being settled but not settled around. We know that Jeremy

:01:37. > :01:40.Corbyn, because he was re-elected on Saturday, will be Labour's leader

:01:41. > :01:43.until the next general election. But there are many in the party,

:01:44. > :01:46.particularly the MPs, who feel that he is not the right person to lead

:01:47. > :01:51.them. Frankly, everything that we have heard this week, and I suspect

:01:52. > :01:54.what we will hear in the next hour or so, quite frankly I do not think

:01:55. > :02:00.that will change those people's minds. It is difficult to get a

:02:01. > :02:06.sense of this from outside. What are we dealing with here? Could Corbyn

:02:07. > :02:09.says things in his speech that might bring some of his opponents around

:02:10. > :02:14.or is that is not what we're talking about here? Are the divisions are so

:02:15. > :02:19.deep that it frankly would not matter? What seemed to happen in his

:02:20. > :02:22.speech when he was elected is that his opponents immediately said,

:02:23. > :02:28.well, he said that but what he did was something different. Quite

:02:29. > :02:33.frankly, all parties are broad churches and there are some who

:02:34. > :02:36.think that Jeremy Corbyn is the wrong person. There are others who

:02:37. > :02:42.think that he is absolutely fantastic. And there are others, I

:02:43. > :02:47.think, frankly even if the Mersey was to freeze over today, would not

:02:48. > :02:51.think he was right person to actually lead the party. So we have

:02:52. > :02:59.grades of agreement and disagreement with him. As far as many MPs are

:03:00. > :03:04.concerned, remember 80% of them are basically, just a few months ago,

:03:05. > :03:07.they had a vote of no confidence in him. They recognise that he was

:03:08. > :03:14.re-elected as Labour leader with a large majority, larger than when he

:03:15. > :03:17.was first elected a year ago. As far as they are concerned, they know

:03:18. > :03:20.he's the leader. If he could do something to get some them back, a

:03:21. > :03:25.hint might be if he said in his speech that he was going to have

:03:26. > :03:28.some kind of electoral process for the Shadow Cabinet. Perhaps not the

:03:29. > :03:33.full Shadow Cabinet but if he was to hint that he wanted some kind of

:03:34. > :03:39.rapprochement like that, that he would actually like MPs to be

:03:40. > :03:44.elected, and that he would decide where and what portfolios they would

:03:45. > :03:48.serve, I think that would go some way, as far as the MPs are

:03:49. > :03:52.concerned, to them saying, OK, yes, we may not like the situation that

:03:53. > :03:56.we are in but we recognise it is not a perfect situation and we are going

:03:57. > :04:01.to make the best of it. That is something you hear at the moment.

:04:02. > :04:04.Those who are, shall we put in, more hardline in their opposition to

:04:05. > :04:08.Jeremy Corbyn, they are really quite down at the moment. They think that

:04:09. > :04:13.the only scenario now is to have a general election. Some of them think

:04:14. > :04:16.that will be sooner rather than later and frankly, I think they are

:04:17. > :04:22.thinking to themselves, Labour needs a general election and it will have

:04:23. > :04:25.to do very badly and then, in their view, and it is the view of the

:04:26. > :04:28.opponents, the hardline opponents of Jeremy Corbyn, they think the party

:04:29. > :04:33.would be so badly beaten that in their view actually someone else

:04:34. > :04:38.would have to come in and take over, but they think it is actually going

:04:39. > :04:41.to take Labour to go down to another defeat at a general election before

:04:42. > :04:45.they could think of having another leader who is not Jeremy Corbyn. We

:04:46. > :04:47.will return to David later. In the studio today

:04:48. > :04:49.we have the former Labour MP Tom Harris and Severin Carrell,

:04:50. > :04:58.the Scotland editor Is that you are feeling, that

:04:59. > :05:05.Labour's best hope, Tom Harris, is to get hammered in a general

:05:06. > :05:10.election? I think that is the view of some of Corbyn's opponents. It is

:05:11. > :05:14.a policy not supported by the majority of his opponents, the

:05:15. > :05:18.moderate members of the Parliamentary Labour Party, but I

:05:19. > :05:23.noticed that Peter Mandelson was talking about are just today or

:05:24. > :05:26.yesterday, and it is obviously a very practical wave... A lot of

:05:27. > :05:29.these Labour MPs are banging their heads against the wall and they

:05:30. > :05:34.cannot come up with any other solution to the leadership problem.

:05:35. > :05:40.But for those who want an early election, just for that to happen,

:05:41. > :05:43.it is a bit like turkeys voting for an early Christmas. Not least

:05:44. > :05:48.because many of these MPs would be the very people who would lose their

:05:49. > :05:55.seats. Absolutely. And what do you make of this? Can Jeremy Corbyn

:05:56. > :05:58.appear today and do anything, do you think? I think the byword for both

:05:59. > :06:02.sides is going to have to be pragmatism. Corbyn will have to be

:06:03. > :06:05.pragmatic about where he stands because if he wants to lead the

:06:06. > :06:10.Labour Party into a general election, he is going to have to do

:06:11. > :06:14.it with as much immunity as he can muster. But at the same time, there

:06:15. > :06:18.is this significant conflict between both wings of the party which is

:06:19. > :06:21.not, as David has pointed out, it simply has not gone away. It is

:06:22. > :06:27.probably going to get worse because there will be similar issues around

:06:28. > :06:31.policy and individuals in the Corbyn team behaving in a way that the

:06:32. > :06:39.moderates care not for. And the other way round as well. And also,

:06:40. > :06:43.if we take this issue of the Shadow Cabinet, elections, if the MPs are

:06:44. > :06:49.making that a precondition of going into the Cabinet, of showing

:06:50. > :06:51.loyalty, it is almost like they are deliberately coming up with

:06:52. > :06:56.something that he will find it difficult to accept because why

:06:57. > :07:01.should he accept that MPs who voted no confidence in him should suddenly

:07:02. > :07:09.be allowed to select the shadow, and Shadow Cabinet. -- selected the

:07:10. > :07:12.Shadow Cabinet. There are rebels willing to rejoin the Shadow Cabinet

:07:13. > :07:17.without a wrecking taking place and there are others like Iain Murray

:07:18. > :07:22.that simply will not do that. -- without a reckoning. There are

:07:23. > :07:25.points where there will be attempts to build a more cohesive, unified

:07:26. > :07:31.front on various issues but the underlying crisis simply is not

:07:32. > :07:34.going to go away. But there is one point from the Corbynistas. They say

:07:35. > :07:38.that Corbyn is not the point. They say that he is simply the leader who

:07:39. > :07:41.has managed to get the left into a position of control over the Labour

:07:42. > :07:45.Party and that ultimately he may not even be the leader that leads them

:07:46. > :07:47.to the 2020 general election, because by that time another leader

:07:48. > :07:53.will have come through. What they are after is a more permanent,

:07:54. > :07:58.realignment, a reshaping of the Labour Party. There are more

:07:59. > :08:03.hardline, hard left union leaders, some MPs and people active in the

:08:04. > :08:08.Corbyn group, but there are also all the millennials. There are young

:08:09. > :08:12.left-wing activists who believe in the Corbyn message. They do not

:08:13. > :08:15.necessarily care for the machine politics that goes with it but those

:08:16. > :08:19.people think that what he offers is a rebirth and a renewal for Labour.

:08:20. > :08:22.They think that is the way that Labour can win power, not this time

:08:23. > :08:27.or next time but certainly in the future with a different leader. Yes.

:08:28. > :08:32.But the problem with that is that people have run the numbers,

:08:33. > :08:36.including the Fabian Society, and they say that the numbers do not add

:08:37. > :08:40.up. Unless you can win over Tory voters and not just rely on

:08:41. > :08:44.millennials and people who have not voted previously, even if they all

:08:45. > :08:47.vote for you, Labour is still out in the cold. It has been the elephant

:08:48. > :08:51.in the sitting room for Labour politics, for longer than he has

:08:52. > :08:54.been leader. We all talk about the two party swing but among Labour

:08:55. > :08:58.Party activists it is not polite to talk about which two parties we are

:08:59. > :09:01.talking about but the fact of the matter is that no opposition party

:09:02. > :09:04.in history has ever gone from opposition to government without

:09:05. > :09:09.winning back the support of people who voted for the other side last

:09:10. > :09:13.time. Labour's problem is that if it does not get conservative people,

:09:14. > :09:16.people who voted for David Cameron in 2015, if they do not persuade

:09:17. > :09:19.some of those people, a significant number to switch directly to the

:09:20. > :09:24.Labour Party, they have no hope of winning office. Is there any

:09:25. > :09:28.prospect of Corbyn doing that? None at all. We will be back with you

:09:29. > :09:33.shortly at first. -- but first. The Scottish steel industry

:09:34. > :09:35.is being revived today with the official reopening

:09:36. > :09:37.of the Dalzell steel Today's event comes almost a year

:09:38. > :09:41.after the news that the then owners Tata Steel were to close both

:09:42. > :09:44.Dalzell and sister plant Five months on, the firm

:09:45. > :09:47.Liberty House had bought the plants, intending

:09:48. > :09:49.to continue their operations - and today is the first

:09:50. > :09:51.step in achieving that. Our Business Editor Douglas

:09:52. > :10:02.Fraser is in Motherwell. The ceremonial is over. The First

:10:03. > :10:06.Minister has been and gone again. And this work has started once again

:10:07. > :10:09.in the giant shed behind me. Rolling steel plate that has come from

:10:10. > :10:13.Scunthorpe and Russia. It is nearly a year since it was announced that

:10:14. > :10:18.this was to be mothballed by Tata Steel, which used to own it. This at

:10:19. > :10:21.a time of real difficulty for the steel industry globally.

:10:22. > :10:24.Straightaway the Scottish Government has set about trying to broker a

:10:25. > :10:29.deal that would move it on to new owners and they were successful. It

:10:30. > :10:33.is liberty steel, also based in India, which has taken it over

:10:34. > :10:38.within five months. They got it from being mothballed to being in

:10:39. > :10:43.production once more. They have taken over 120 staff, some of them

:10:44. > :10:48.apprentices who have lost their jobs and have brought back, three of them

:10:49. > :10:53.even worked for Ravenscraig, the steel baking plant near here which

:10:54. > :11:00.closed 24 years ago. What they do here is the role steel arm of the

:11:01. > :11:03.slabs brought from elsewhere for use in fabrication in the construction

:11:04. > :11:06.industry and heavy vehicles. They hope to build up, depending on the

:11:07. > :11:12.market, to more than 200 people and to open up the Clydebridge plant at

:11:13. > :11:17.Cambuslang, perhaps for the building of wind towers for offshore energy.

:11:18. > :11:20.The hope is that they can develop new markets by being much more

:11:21. > :11:25.innovative about finding new customers. Politically, this has

:11:26. > :11:29.been absolutely vital for the Scottish Government at the start of

:11:30. > :11:34.this year to get to a deal, to get the plant reopened in Lanarkshire

:11:35. > :11:37.where it is of such symbolic importance that steel processing

:11:38. > :11:40.continues. They managed that before they broke for the Holyrood

:11:41. > :11:45.elections and so it has been very important for Nicola Sturgeon as the

:11:46. > :11:48.First Minister to come back here and reopen the plant, to say this is

:11:49. > :11:55.symbolic both for Lanarkshire steel-making but also for the modern

:11:56. > :11:59.manufacturing hopes she has for the economy.

:12:00. > :12:01.There might be more optimism in the economy post Brexit than some

:12:02. > :12:04.According to a survey of 450 businesses,

:12:05. > :12:06.carried out by the Fraser of Allander Institute

:12:07. > :12:08.for the Royal Bank of Scotland, business confidence has risen,

:12:09. > :12:11.with a modest growth in output in the second half of this year.

:12:12. > :12:14.Tourism appears to have fared particularly well with more

:12:15. > :12:16.than half of those involved in the industry saying it's been

:12:17. > :12:22.Joining me now from Edinburgh is the director

:12:23. > :12:26.of the Fraser of Allander Institute, Professor Graeme Roy.

:12:27. > :12:35.Does this tell us anything, given we are still in the European Union and

:12:36. > :12:39.nothing much has changed, apart from a fall in the pound which one could

:12:40. > :12:45.have predicted might help the tourism industry? What the survey to

:12:46. > :12:49.date does is it basically finds that across the Scottish economy, around

:12:50. > :12:52.a third of companies are saying output has increased over the past

:12:53. > :12:55.three months. One third of companies say that it has broadly stay the

:12:56. > :13:01.same and a third say that output has fallen. In the immediate aftermath

:13:02. > :13:05.of Brexit, there were two key concerns about how bright it would

:13:06. > :13:08.impact the economy. Firstly, structural challenges in the

:13:09. > :13:13.long-term. We do not know how that will play out until Article is

:13:14. > :13:16.triggered and until the economy goes through structural adjustments. But

:13:17. > :13:19.there was another concern about what might happen to a potential threats

:13:20. > :13:23.to confidence in the short term with the uncertainty of not knowing what

:13:24. > :13:27.Brexit would mean and the followed from what happened in the UK

:13:28. > :13:30.Government. That was a risk that it could actually take the economy into

:13:31. > :13:34.negative territory, or it could actually make the economy slowed

:13:35. > :13:38.down relative to what it would have been. Today's survey finds that the

:13:39. > :13:41.Scottish economy has pretty much decided to wait and see and on

:13:42. > :13:49.balance, it is pretty much flat growth or a small, modest increase.

:13:50. > :13:53.An production, they are forecasting that it will rise. Is there any

:13:54. > :13:55.evidence that is the export industries more than domestic

:13:56. > :14:01.industries? One of the interesting things from the survey is that while

:14:02. > :14:04.we have had a boost tourism that we can probably estimate to have come

:14:05. > :14:08.from the depreciation installing helping making Scottish tourism more

:14:09. > :14:14.attractive, more generally in terms of exports, that is performing

:14:15. > :14:19.slightly worse over the last few months, so on balance, nearly 40% of

:14:20. > :14:24.firms are saying that exports have fallen over the period rather than

:14:25. > :14:27.increased. It is a bit of a mixed bag in terms of what might have been

:14:28. > :14:31.happening to the economy particularly on the export side of

:14:32. > :14:34.things. Do you have any exhalation for that? Because in the abstract

:14:35. > :14:38.you would have expected that the pound falls and that gives a one-off

:14:39. > :14:42.boost to exports. I think you have to be careful about what a fall in

:14:43. > :14:45.the pound actually means for the economy because on the one hand,

:14:46. > :14:48.yes, it makes your products cheaper when you enter the international

:14:49. > :14:54.market but the other thing we find in the survey is that it actually --

:14:55. > :14:58.actually the costs have risen so for a lot of companies involved in the

:14:59. > :15:01.supply chain, they might have been relying on imports but even if they

:15:02. > :15:09.go on to exports to other markets, again we find that a large number of

:15:10. > :15:13.companies are importing significant increases in import costs, costs

:15:14. > :15:18.overall, and potentially that is related to a rise in import prices.

:15:19. > :15:23.Mark Carney has said over the past 24 hours that he sees no end to the

:15:24. > :15:29.slump in the oil industry. Is there any evidence in your survey that the

:15:30. > :15:37.problems caused by that art using up in any way? As we know, over the

:15:38. > :15:40.last 18 months or so a big driver of the relatively weak Scottish economy

:15:41. > :15:43.performance has been what has happened in the oil and gas sector

:15:44. > :15:47.in the north-east. The survey today continues to suggest that that is

:15:48. > :15:51.still an issue, with over 40% of firms saying that actually the last

:15:52. > :15:55.three months, business output and volume has fallen again. There is

:15:56. > :16:00.nothing in this survey to offer much encouragement at this stage that the

:16:01. > :16:07.industry has bottomed out or is growing again. What should we look

:16:08. > :16:11.for, Graham Roy, in terms of the impact of Brexit on the real

:16:12. > :16:16.economy? When does that Kim? Is going to be when Article 50 is

:16:17. > :16:21.triggered or will nothing actually happened until we leave the European

:16:22. > :16:26.Union? It is difficult to pinpoint exactly when you will start to see

:16:27. > :16:30.the effects of this. We have to remember what we're talking about.

:16:31. > :16:34.We're not about Brexit meaning immediately that we will have

:16:35. > :16:37.substantial falls in output or the economy going into recession.

:16:38. > :16:41.Essentially the challenges in Brexit are more structural. It is more

:16:42. > :16:47.about potentially having slower growth because the exports are

:16:48. > :16:53.slightly less competitive. It is much more likely to be that these

:16:54. > :16:57.effects are gradual and happen over a period of time and then only

:16:58. > :17:02.actually after a number of years can we pinpoint what have been the

:17:03. > :17:04.long-term impacts of Brexit. Thank you very much indeed.

:17:05. > :17:09.At the Scottish parliament today the Education secretary John Swinney

:17:10. > :17:14.is taking portfolio questions from MSPs,

:17:15. > :17:16.most of which are focusing on the education attainment gap -

:17:17. > :17:24.It is important that we assess the overall impact of the programme and

:17:25. > :17:28.its success. As part of this we will obviously be looking at potential

:17:29. > :17:33.impact on Brexit of student ability in Europe but the members should be

:17:34. > :17:37.reassured that we will continue to want Scottish students to play their

:17:38. > :17:43.full part in the European Union to study and to seek benefit from that

:17:44. > :17:47.were ever that particular programme will be. So he can at least be

:17:48. > :17:50.assured that this government will continue to want the Scottish

:17:51. > :17:58.students to play a full part across the European Union. In assuring that

:17:59. > :18:03.question, can I encourage the Minister to address the issue of

:18:04. > :18:05.college students who will be needed more in apprentice skills, because

:18:06. > :18:10.of Brexit happens in the way in which we believe it may happen, the

:18:11. > :18:12.number of apprentices we need in the construction industry is going to

:18:13. > :18:16.become more so. Will she undertake to look into that with respected

:18:17. > :18:25.colleges to ensure that the growth of apprentices continues to happen

:18:26. > :18:28.to meet these skills needs? Tavish Scott raises an important point

:18:29. > :18:34.about the locations for Brexit and the requirements for the economy.

:18:35. > :18:38.The construction sector is one of those parts. Apprenticeships have

:18:39. > :18:43.been playing a very important part in the Scottish Government's and to

:18:44. > :18:48.its offerings for young people and we have of course made commitment to

:18:49. > :18:53.increase the number of apprentice chips. I take the points that Tavish

:18:54. > :18:59.Scott made today. -- apprenticeships. Can I have the

:19:00. > :19:03.Scottish Government what action it takes to ensure that there is

:19:04. > :19:06.quality than the magic quality in admittance of university places for

:19:07. > :19:12.people who meet the entry requirements? Universities are

:19:13. > :19:16.ultimately responsible for their own admissions procedures and decisions.

:19:17. > :19:21.That said, we invest more than ?51 million every year to support around

:19:22. > :19:24.7000 places targeted at disadvantaged learners and those

:19:25. > :19:28.progressing from college. We have also welcomed the final report of

:19:29. > :19:31.the commission on widening access which commented extensively on how

:19:32. > :19:34.admissions could be made clearer. We will continue to work closely with

:19:35. > :19:42.the university sector on how best to take forward the implementation of

:19:43. > :19:46.the committee's recommendations. I understand there is little or no

:19:47. > :19:51.centralised detail showing where the unsuccessful applicants come from

:19:52. > :19:54.who actually meet the entrance requirements for courses like

:19:55. > :19:58.medicine, law and dentistry. Is that something the government seeks to

:19:59. > :20:06.address as it takes for the attainment agenda to ensure equality

:20:07. > :20:10.of access is achieved? Although data on entrance to university by social

:20:11. > :20:14.background is available, the widening access commission

:20:15. > :20:17.recognises the need for enhanced data. My officials are working with

:20:18. > :20:21.the Scottish funding Council to deliver the commission's

:20:22. > :20:24.recommendations with better monitoring of their access at key

:20:25. > :20:28.stages of the journey including applications, offers and the

:20:29. > :20:30.acceptances to university. We're working with the private sector.

:20:31. > :20:33.Now let's speak to some MSPs at Holyrood on today's stories.

:20:34. > :20:36.For the SNP, we have James Dornan, Liam Kerr from the Conservatives.

:20:37. > :20:38.From Labour, it's James Kelly and Andy Wightman joins us

:20:39. > :20:50.Andy Wightman, let's start with your views on education. The SNP have put

:20:51. > :20:53.their credibility on the line, saying they want to reduce the

:20:54. > :21:04.attainment gap which can be measured in many different ways and they want

:21:05. > :21:09.to close it. Andy Wightman. Do you think the objectives are write and

:21:10. > :21:13.do you see any signs that they are doing things that might actually

:21:14. > :21:17.achieve those objectives. It has been a challenge for a long time and

:21:18. > :21:20.we support the government in trying to close that. It will not happen

:21:21. > :21:24.quickly and we think this will be a 15 year programme of work. The other

:21:25. > :21:30.clear thing is it is not going to happen just within schools. The

:21:31. > :21:32.attainment gap as a consequence of poverty and inequality, those issues

:21:33. > :21:37.need to be tackled outside the schools. There needs to be not just

:21:38. > :21:40.a cross-party effort but a cross sector effort to close this

:21:41. > :21:45.attainment gap. The work being done in schools is good but it needs to

:21:46. > :21:49.be improved. We do not support the weight that the government intends

:21:50. > :21:55.to fund total tax receipts. Do you have any specific proposals, as the

:21:56. > :22:00.greens, for what the Scottish Government should be doing, that is

:22:01. > :22:02.any different to what they suggest? We're focusing on reducing

:22:03. > :22:08.inequality and we have put for proposals on housing and the tax

:22:09. > :22:12.regime that would reduces the amount of wealth inequality in Scotland.

:22:13. > :22:15.That is where the source of disadvantage comes from and that is

:22:16. > :22:18.where the source of low attainment levels comes from. That is why this

:22:19. > :22:26.needs to be tackled as an economic problem is much as an education one.

:22:27. > :22:30.What the SNP have to say on this sounds exactly like what I would

:22:31. > :22:33.expect a Labour government to say. Do you criticise it? I think there

:22:34. > :22:38.is a lot of agreement across the parties about closing the attainment

:22:39. > :22:43.gap and ensuring that pupils from all communities have proper access

:22:44. > :22:48.to education. Both so they can achieve more and so that they can

:22:49. > :22:52.contribute to better qualified people. The real issue is how you

:22:53. > :22:57.fund this. The reality is that Labour have put for different

:22:58. > :23:00.proposals from the SNP at the election. We support progressive

:23:01. > :23:04.taxation to protect public services and we support action to tackle the

:23:05. > :23:13.attainment gap above the SNP would simply implement the Tories'

:23:14. > :23:20.austerity agenda. Liam carer, there are signs of the SNP government does

:23:21. > :23:23.not think that James Kelly -- as James Kelly suggests, that this is

:23:24. > :23:28.all about money. They have been looking at ideas from around the UK,

:23:29. > :23:32.from around the world. Do you see signs of a greater openness on the

:23:33. > :23:35.half of the Scottish Government to look at different ways of doing

:23:36. > :23:38.things, rather than saying it is all about the money? There is a degree

:23:39. > :23:41.of openness in the sense that what we have basically seen is the

:23:42. > :23:46.Nationalist attempting to adopt a policy that we have been pushing for

:23:47. > :23:51.a large number of years, to devolve power, to devolve control down to

:23:52. > :23:56.the local level, to local schools and headteachers. I think that has

:23:57. > :24:00.to be encouraged. What we need to be careful of is that this idea of

:24:01. > :24:05.regionalisation is not some kind of Trojan horse centralisation in

:24:06. > :24:14.common with many of the other agendas that the SNP push. Is it? It

:24:15. > :24:17.is not entirely clear how these regional educational boards, if that

:24:18. > :24:22.is what they are called, whether they will replace local authorities.

:24:23. > :24:27.And it is not entirely clear what they are going to do that is new and

:24:28. > :24:31.original. They are clearly not going to be replacing local authorities.

:24:32. > :24:39.The whole idea is that education is rolled out to -- education is

:24:40. > :24:45.devolve down to the lowest levels. That is what the cluster programme

:24:46. > :24:48.is all about. My colleagues seem to be paranoid, where they think that

:24:49. > :24:53.everything the SNP does has some sort of nasty back story behind it.

:24:54. > :24:56.James makes a ridiculous statement... They have all been

:24:57. > :25:00.congratulating you for coming up with new ideas and you are still

:25:01. > :25:05.unhappy. And then there is a kick at the end. Jim talks about are

:25:06. > :25:10.replicating Tory austerity. James party abstained when it was getting

:25:11. > :25:14.voted for in Westminster. If they wanted to fight it, they had a

:25:15. > :25:16.chance at Westminster. Now, they should be helping us fight what has

:25:17. > :25:24.happened after they decided not to vote. Clearly, there is an element

:25:25. > :25:27.of centralisation here because John Swinney said only a couple of weeks

:25:28. > :25:33.ago that it was perfectly conceivable that tranches of money

:25:34. > :25:36.that went to schools through local authorities would in future go

:25:37. > :25:40.direct to schools. One way of looking at that is that it increases

:25:41. > :25:43.the autonomy of schools. Another way is that it decreases the amount of

:25:44. > :25:47.money going to local authorities. I suggest that it sends the money

:25:48. > :25:52.directly to win it needs to go, where it is best needed. I think we

:25:53. > :25:54.all agree here that nobody knows education better than people on the

:25:55. > :25:58.front line, teachers and headteachers are the people that

:25:59. > :26:01.know what their school needs best. And not necessarily local

:26:02. > :26:05.authorities. I do not see that that is centralisation. If anything it is

:26:06. > :26:11.taking devolution to its logical conclusion. James Kelly, what is

:26:12. > :26:15.wrong with perverting money straight to schools in principle, if the

:26:16. > :26:20.schools can make better use of it? It is about how this money is raised

:26:21. > :26:25.and it is a democratic point about how decisions have been taken. The

:26:26. > :26:29.SNP are expecting local councils to put up the council tax and then take

:26:30. > :26:32.the proceeds from that centrally. They will then decide how that money

:26:33. > :26:40.is going to be allocated. That is not fair on local councils and local

:26:41. > :26:45.areas. But hang on a second, the Labour Party in England were past

:26:46. > :26:52.masters at funding schools directly. Labour in England shut down the

:26:53. > :26:56.local education authority because they were not performing. This is

:26:57. > :26:59.about how we are operating in Scotland and it is about

:27:00. > :27:07.scrutinising what the SNP are doing here. It is a typical SNP agenda. If

:27:08. > :27:12.you really want to take responsibility, follow the proposals

:27:13. > :27:15.we have been putting forward in this budget. It is progressive taxation

:27:16. > :27:20.that protects public services. Quickly, on the economy, various

:27:21. > :27:26.reports out of this weekend about oil and gas, the Fraser of Allander

:27:27. > :27:32.report today. Andy Wightman, the point that comes out of it is that

:27:33. > :27:36.no one is suggesting there may not be bad effects from Brexit at some

:27:37. > :27:40.point for the economy but it is pretty difficult to find any at the

:27:41. > :27:46.moment. To find bad effects? Yes, because it has not happened yet. And

:27:47. > :27:50.there is a huge amount of uncertainty. In this period, people

:27:51. > :27:53.are trying to tread water. The key to this will be whether we retain

:27:54. > :27:58.access to the single market, whether we retain freedom of movement across

:27:59. > :28:02.Europe. Those are the crunch decisions that will then impact on

:28:03. > :28:06.businesses and others to take a decision about investment and where

:28:07. > :28:09.to locate businesses. It is only when we have made those decisions

:28:10. > :28:16.clear that we will get to see the impacts. James Kelly, again, we know

:28:17. > :28:20.it is early but there is some evidence, these surveys tend to

:28:21. > :28:24.suggest that certainly the short-term effects of Brexit were

:28:25. > :28:28.overact. If you remember George Osborne was threatening to hold an

:28:29. > :28:32.emergency budget to put taxes up because it would have such a major

:28:33. > :28:36.impact but it is not happening. The first thing to remember is that it

:28:37. > :28:43.is a survey. In the immediate aftermath of Brexit, there was real

:28:44. > :28:46.doom and gloom but perhaps what some of the surveys are doing is

:28:47. > :28:50.reflecting a bit of course correction. But even if you look at

:28:51. > :28:57.Fraser of Allander Institute's report on finance and the economy,

:28:58. > :29:03.they clearly forecast a negative Brexit impact there, which could

:29:04. > :29:06.result in ?1.6 billion of cuts to the Scottish budget. I think there

:29:07. > :29:10.is a lot to happen yet and I am certainly very anxious about it.

:29:11. > :29:20.Liam carer, were you in favour of Brexit remaining? I voted remain. --

:29:21. > :29:25.Liam Kerr. But like business, I think we are where we are, and the

:29:26. > :29:29.UK voted to leave. And so we have to get on with it and do the best we

:29:30. > :29:32.can. There are a lot of opportunities out there and

:29:33. > :29:35.businesses seeing that opportunity. We are seeing that opportunity and

:29:36. > :29:38.talking about it in the chamber. The best thing the Scottish Government

:29:39. > :29:42.can be doing at this stage is backing our businesses so that it is

:29:43. > :29:46.not more expensive to do business in Scotland than in the rest of the UK.

:29:47. > :29:51.We need to get back and start doing the day job to take a second, to

:29:52. > :29:58.take the independence referendum of the table. But it was Tories in the

:29:59. > :30:02.Remain campaign who said it was going to be an absolute catastrophe,

:30:03. > :30:05.and he would have to have an emergency budget and it was all

:30:06. > :30:10.going to be terrible. Don't you feel some sense of having overrides of

:30:11. > :30:17.the pudding and got this completely wrong? -- over egged the pudding. I

:30:18. > :30:21.see a sense of opportunity. The UK people took a decision, 70 million

:30:22. > :30:26.people took a decision on the way they want this country to go in the

:30:27. > :30:28.future. Thus far, what they are seeing, what businesses seeing is

:30:29. > :30:32.that there is a lot of opportunity there. As I say, the best thing the

:30:33. > :30:33.government can do is start backing our businesses and backing our

:30:34. > :30:46.economy. James, it is not happening, the

:30:47. > :30:52.things that the Conservative, SNP, Labour, those who voted remain, it

:30:53. > :30:58.is not happening yet. Brexit has not really kicked in. Article 50 hasn't

:30:59. > :31:03.been sent, but when that starts you will see uncertainty and the

:31:04. > :31:07.long-term impact of Brexit, when it starts to kick in, because let's be

:31:08. > :31:12.honest, the mood music from the rest of Europe, this is going to be a

:31:13. > :31:17.hard Brexit and I laughed when I hear people like Liam, who

:31:18. > :31:25.campaigned for a main, he now says all he sees is opportunities, so why

:31:26. > :31:36.did he not see them beforehand? -- campaign for Remain. He is ignoring

:31:37. > :31:39.the 62% of Scots who voted to Remain. Thanks for joining us.

:31:40. > :31:41.Tom Harris and Severin Carrell are still with me.

:31:42. > :31:53.You led the Brexit campaign, Tom? You are still happy you did that?

:31:54. > :31:57.Yes, no regrets. Like Liam, and I said this on the night of the

:31:58. > :32:01.referendum, the most important thing was, whatever the decision, the most

:32:02. > :32:05.important thing is the country united behind the decision. That

:32:06. > :32:10.hasn't happened because it was a decision most people did not expect,

:32:11. > :32:15.but there is nothing to be gained from constantly griping and opposing

:32:16. > :32:20.Brexit, it is going to happen. It is up to the SNP government to get

:32:21. > :32:24.involved in those negotiations and campaign for what they actually

:32:25. > :32:33.want. We are leaving the EU, that is settled. Presumably it is of some

:32:34. > :32:39.concern to you that the government in London doesn't seem to know what

:32:40. > :32:45.Brexit means? It is a concern that we have a Conservative government,

:32:46. > :32:48.but it is absurd to think that ministers are going to go to the

:32:49. > :32:53.House of Commons every day and update the world on what the

:32:54. > :32:58.position is. I would have no confidence in Theresa May if she

:32:59. > :33:01.started saying these are the starting points, and these are the

:33:02. > :33:05.best lines, and issued them publicly before they go into negotiations.

:33:06. > :33:14.That is not the way you conduct them. Severin, what you make of

:33:15. > :33:19.this? It is a bit of a phoney war, if not a war, it is a phoney

:33:20. > :33:22.situation, we voted to leave. George Osborne might have been overdoing it

:33:23. > :33:26.when he spoke about the emergency budget because nothing in the wheel

:33:27. > :33:31.world has actually changed. That will not go on forever. We are

:33:32. > :33:38.treading water. The most interesting thing about the Leave campaign as it

:33:39. > :33:43.unfolded, unlike in the Scottish referendum, there was no White

:33:44. > :33:45.Paper, there was no actual agreed blueprint for the Leave campaign to

:33:46. > :33:50.say that this is what they would expect to happen and what they would

:33:51. > :33:53.want to happen. The structure they would like to introduce will stop

:33:54. > :34:00.the obvious difference, they could not do that, the SNP government were

:34:01. > :34:05.a government, but the Leave campaign was not a government and the British

:34:06. > :34:09.government wanted to remain. Yes, but the structure was so varied and

:34:10. > :34:14.imprecise, UK Government is now having to do is to start from

:34:15. > :34:20.scratch, there are various options and ideas which are knocking around.

:34:21. > :34:24.The Tory party itself is also responsible for the inertia that we

:34:25. > :34:31.are experiencing because the Tory party was completely split. It now

:34:32. > :34:41.has to work out how it reconfigures itself and brings the Brexit is and

:34:42. > :34:45.Remain together, but clearly that is not happening, they have got

:34:46. > :34:48.ministers speaking off script, saying one thing one day and then

:34:49. > :34:56.being slapped down by Theresa May the next day. The inertia will

:34:57. > :34:59.continue for some time. Tom is correct, behind the scenes there are

:35:00. > :35:03.very smart people in Whitehall who will have a clear idea about where

:35:04. > :35:09.they want to see things go. It will take a bit longer before this

:35:10. > :35:16.unfold. What is your view, Tom? Would you like to see Britain stay

:35:17. > :35:22.in the single market? Even people in the so-called moderate wing of the

:35:23. > :35:29.Labour Party campaigned for Remain, have said, freedom of movement is a

:35:30. > :35:35.red line, even if it means coming out of the single market, which is

:35:36. > :35:43.surprising that someone like Chuka Umunna the campaign for the

:35:44. > :35:46.remainder. There will be some controls on immigration, that's a

:35:47. > :35:52.realistic possibility that that will leave us outside the single market

:35:53. > :35:55.-- for the remain campaign. From MSP is there was the focus on the access

:35:56. > :36:00.to the single market and there are only a couple of countries who don't

:36:01. > :36:03.have access to the single market, Somalia and North Korea, and even if

:36:04. > :36:08.we are outside the run did in a formal sense, we will be having

:36:09. > :36:15.access to it. -- outside the single market. We have distinctions. Being

:36:16. > :36:18.part of a customs union with the European Union where you don't have

:36:19. > :36:24.the bureaucracy of customs forms and in return you accept free movement

:36:25. > :36:29.of Labour, that is the difference and that is what I'm asking you,

:36:30. > :36:33.whether you think we should stay in. My guess is that the government will

:36:34. > :36:37.try to negotiate Britain staying within the customs union with some

:36:38. > :36:41.concessions to freedom of movement, changing it so you can only move to

:36:42. > :36:45.Britain if you have a job offer. That might be something the EU

:36:46. > :36:49.rejects and it could mean that we end up outside the customs union. We

:36:50. > :36:56.just don't know what the negotiating position of the EU negotiators is,

:36:57. > :37:01.but my view, if the only way we can stop freedom of movement and return

:37:02. > :37:05.control of immigration policy to the UK Government, if the only way to

:37:06. > :37:08.get control of that is by coming out of the customs union and out of the

:37:09. > :37:17.single market, we would have to do that. There's presumably room for

:37:18. > :37:24.movement on the European side, as well, Severin? There is a feeling

:37:25. > :37:30.some of the countries would like some more control over immigration,

:37:31. > :37:32.as well. There is a potential deal. It is possible, and there is the

:37:33. > :37:38.other question about what the commission thinks as an institution.

:37:39. > :37:42.There is a third actor in this, and we hear about very hard language

:37:43. > :37:48.coming out of the commission and people who are part of the EU, who

:37:49. > :37:56.are understood to fear contagion, they fear that Brexit in the UK is

:37:57. > :38:02.going to lead to the on picking of European principles about complete

:38:03. > :38:09.freedom of movement. The key issue, presumably, is what the Germans do,

:38:10. > :38:11.many analysts are wondering if the whole Brexit process is going to be

:38:12. > :38:16.influenced by other things that happen in Europe. If in September in

:38:17. > :38:23.the German Federal elections next, Angela Merkel's party loses power.

:38:24. > :38:26.Or it is forced into power into a coalition with another party, who

:38:27. > :38:30.would like to take Germany into a different route. There are conflicts

:38:31. > :38:34.which could take place in Serbia with Bosnian Serbs, wanting to break

:38:35. > :38:38.free. There are these different things which will have some kind of

:38:39. > :38:47.influence on the way Europe behaves and that will influence how they

:38:48. > :38:50.respond to what we want. Tom, if Severin is right, if you start

:38:51. > :38:54.getting movement on the European side of this debate, you could end

:38:55. > :39:01.up with a situation where it is a moot point whether Britain needs to

:39:02. > :39:07.leave or has indeed left. Because of the state of the EU? If we start

:39:08. > :39:10.saying we would like some control over immigration, and the European

:39:11. > :39:22.Union says why don't we do a global deal. There is a dawning realisation

:39:23. > :39:26.amongst EU leaders, that the general population, significant parts of the

:39:27. > :39:32.political sphere, have not been happy with the direction of travel,

:39:33. > :39:35.have not been happy with edicts from Brussels in terms of freedom of

:39:36. > :39:41.movement and controls on businesses and there are voices not Justin

:39:42. > :39:49.Britt on but throughout the EU saying, do we really want to go this

:39:50. > :39:53.far? -- not just in Britain. If we want to maintain the rest of the

:39:54. > :39:57.union of 27 countries, maybe they need to rethink and be more flexible

:39:58. > :40:02.and give more power to nations, national parliaments. There was this

:40:03. > :40:08.talk in the early 90s when Mastrick went through about seniority, and

:40:09. > :40:14.the impression given, that was largely tall, that the whole thing

:40:15. > :40:23.has been far too centralised -- largely talk. It is about the

:40:24. > :40:27.pillars. It has changed the four pillars, it is now freedom of

:40:28. > :40:30.movement. We have got to leave it there for the moment.

:40:31. > :40:35.Jeremy Corbyn is addressing the conference now.

:40:36. > :40:40.He has just appeared at the platform this moment. He is about to start.

:40:41. > :41:52.About now. Thank you. Thank you so much for

:41:53. > :41:55.that welcome. And that introduction. This whole is packed today in

:41:56. > :41:59.Liverpool and we have even gotten overspill down the road. I want to

:42:00. > :42:09.say thank you to everyone who is here today. APPLAUSE

:42:10. > :42:15.Before I go into my speech I want to say a huge thank you to the staff at

:42:16. > :42:27.this conference centre who have made us so welcome. I want to say thank

:42:28. > :42:31.you to all of our Labour Party staff for the huge work they have put in

:42:32. > :42:40.for this conference today and all the other days. And I want to say a

:42:41. > :42:43.big thank you to my own staff in my own office in the constituency and

:42:44. > :42:45.in Parliament for the work and support they give me and give our

:42:46. > :42:56.party all the year round. I got to correct myself because I

:42:57. > :43:03.did say the hall is completely packed. -- I've got. I had a message

:43:04. > :43:09.from Virgin Trains on the way M. They have assured me there are 800

:43:10. > :43:15.MP seats in the whole -- I had a message from Virgin Trains on the

:43:16. > :43:21.way in. APPLAUSE Is away, it is a huge pleasure to be

:43:22. > :43:26.holding the annual party conference at this fantastic city -- either

:43:27. > :43:31.way. The city of Liverpool that shaped our country and our culture

:43:32. > :43:36.and our music. Liverpool has always been central to the Labour Party and

:43:37. > :43:43.our movement. I know some people say campaigns and protests don't change

:43:44. > :43:44.things, but the Hillsborough families have shown just how wrong

:43:45. > :44:00.that is. It has taken 27 years but those

:44:01. > :44:06.families have shown with great courage and dignity, finally, that

:44:07. > :44:10.you can get truth and justice for the 96 who died and I want to pay

:44:11. > :44:13.tribute to all families and campaigners for their solidarity and

:44:14. > :44:25.their commitment and their love. Thank you.

:44:26. > :44:31.And as Andy Burnham put it a conference this morning, we must

:44:32. > :44:36.learn from them, and we promise those campaigning for justice for

:44:37. > :44:40.all grieve and Shrewsbury and the thousands of workers blacklisted for

:44:41. > :44:43.being trade unions 's, we will support your battles for truth and

:44:44. > :44:44.justice and when we return to government we will make sure you

:44:45. > :45:02.have both. -- Orgreave. Because winning justice for all and

:45:03. > :45:08.changing society for the benefit of all is the heart of what Labour is

:45:09. > :45:14.about. Yes, our party is about campaigning and protest but most of

:45:15. > :45:19.all it is about winning power, in local and national government, to

:45:20. > :45:29.deliver the real change our country so desperately needs.

:45:30. > :45:37.That is why the central task of the whole Labour Party, the whole Labour

:45:38. > :45:38.Party, must be to rebuild trust and support to win the next general

:45:39. > :45:51.election. APPLAUSE And form the next government, that

:45:52. > :45:58.is the government are determined to lead to win power, to bring change

:45:59. > :46:05.for the benefit of work power. -- I'm determined. Everyone us in this

:46:06. > :46:09.hall knows that we will only get there if we work together and I

:46:10. > :46:12.think it is fair to say after what we have been through these past few

:46:13. > :46:17.months, it hasn't always been exactly the case. Those months have

:46:18. > :46:26.been a testing time for the whole party, first, the irreverent murder

:46:27. > :46:33.of Jo Cox -- the horrific murder of Jo Cox, the referendum results, and

:46:34. > :46:37.then the leadership contest which ended last Saturday. Jo Cox's

:46:38. > :46:43.killing was a hate filled attack on democracy. It shocked the whole

:46:44. > :46:47.country. Jo Cox did not just believe in loving her neighbour, she

:46:48. > :46:51.believed in loving her neighbour's neighbour and that every life

:46:52. > :47:01.counted. As she said in her maiden speech as an MP, we have far more in

:47:02. > :47:06.common with each other than things which divide us, let that essential

:47:07. > :47:09.truth guide us as we come together again to challenge the Tory

:47:10. > :47:13.government and its shaky grip on power.

:47:14. > :47:26.In her memory, thanks very thing she did and thanks to her family and her

:47:27. > :47:29.close friends for all they've been through and the solidarity they have

:47:30. > :47:36.shown together, so we may all learn from her life. APPLAUSE

:47:37. > :47:43.We have also lost good MPs like MIchael Meacher and Harry Harpham,

:47:44. > :47:47.both good friends of mine. They were Labour through and through, passion

:47:48. > :47:53.campaigners for a better world. Let me also pay tribute to those

:47:54. > :47:55.parliamentary colleagues who stepped forward in the summer to fill the

:47:56. > :48:12.gaps in the Shadow Cabinet. CHEERING And make sure that Labour could

:48:13. > :48:17.function as an effective opposition in Parliament. They actually didn't

:48:18. > :48:21.seek office but they stepped up when their party and the country needed

:48:22. > :48:25.them to serve, and they all deserve the respect and gratitude of our

:48:26. > :48:27.party in the movement and this conference should thank them today,

:48:28. > :48:59.they are our future. We've just had our second leadership

:49:00. > :49:03.election in a year and it had its fraught moments, of course, but only

:49:04. > :49:11.for Owen Smith and make as I hope we don't make a habit of it. -- and

:49:12. > :49:21.myself. There have been upsides, over 150,000 new members have joined

:49:22. > :49:25.our party. Young rising stars have shone on the front bench and we have

:49:26. > :49:29.found the party is more united on policy than we would ever have

:49:30. > :49:32.guessed. I'm honoured, deeply honoured, to have been re-elected by

:49:33. > :49:44.our party a second time, with an even bigger mandate. CHEERING

:49:45. > :49:49.That we all have lessons to learn and responsibility to do things

:49:50. > :49:54.better and to work together more effectively. I will lead in learning

:49:55. > :49:58.those lessons and I would like to thank Owen Smith for the campaign

:49:59. > :50:07.and his work as Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary. APPLAUSE

:50:08. > :50:13.And also to the Labour Party staff and our own teams and the brilliant

:50:14. > :50:18.teams who support all of our members of Parliament and our party around

:50:19. > :50:22.the country. One lesson is that there is a responsibility on all of

:50:23. > :50:26.us to take care with our rhetoric. Respect democratic decisions,

:50:27. > :50:32.respect our differences and respect each other. We know that robust

:50:33. > :50:39.debate has at times spilled over into abuse and hate around our

:50:40. > :50:48.country including the Sochi and anti-Semitism, especially on social

:50:49. > :50:56.media -- including misogyny. That is absolutely not acceptable. APPLAUSE

:50:57. > :51:03.Our party must be a safe and welcoming space for everyone. We

:51:04. > :51:11.will continue to take firm action against abuse and intimidation. Let

:51:12. > :51:14.me be absolutely clear, anti-Semitism is an evil and led to

:51:15. > :51:18.the worst crimes of the 20th century and every one of us as a

:51:19. > :51:22.responsibility to make sure that it is never allowed to fester in our

:51:23. > :51:32.society again, this party... APPLAUSE

:51:33. > :51:40.This party always has and always will fight against prejudice and

:51:41. > :51:48.hatred of Jewish people with every breath in our body.

:51:49. > :51:57.We meet this year as the largest political party in Western Europe,

:51:58. > :52:01.with over half a million members, campaigning in every community in

:52:02. > :52:05.Britain. More people have joined our party in the last 20 months than in

:52:06. > :52:19.the previous 20 years. APPLAUSE We have more of our fellow citizens

:52:20. > :52:28.in our party than all the other political parties in Britain put

:52:29. > :52:33.together. Some may see this as a threat, but I see this as a vast

:52:34. > :52:39.democratic resource. Our hugely increased membership is part of a

:52:40. > :52:43.movement that can take Labour's message into every community and win

:52:44. > :52:53.support for the election of a Labour government.

:52:54. > :53:02.Each and every one of these new members is welcome in our party. And

:53:03. > :53:08.after a 10-year absence we welcome back the fire Brigades union into

:53:09. > :53:17.our party and the conference. CHEERING

:53:18. > :53:25.We are reuniting the Labour family but I want to also say thank you to

:53:26. > :53:30.the firefighters and indeed all of the public sector workers who work

:53:31. > :53:37.so hard to save people during the floods last winter. Thank you for

:53:38. > :53:41.everything you did. Over the past year we've shown what Labour can do

:53:42. > :53:47.when the party stands together. That conference year ago I launched our

:53:48. > :53:57.campaign against cuts to tax credits and we succeeded in knocking this

:53:58. > :54:00.government back. This year 3 million families are over thousand pounds

:54:01. > :54:07.better off because Labour stood together. In the budget the

:54:08. > :54:21.government tried to take away billions from disabled people but we

:54:22. > :54:23.defeated them on that. And we won all four Parliamentary by-elections

:54:24. > :54:30.and I welcome our new colleagues into Parliament and the great

:54:31. > :54:37.victories they achieved and in the mail actions we overtook the Tories

:54:38. > :54:43.to become the largest party nastily -- in the May elections we overtook

:54:44. > :54:51.the Tories to become the largest party in the country. We'll so won

:54:52. > :55:03.the London mayor campaign with Sadiq Khan, the first Muslim mayor in

:55:04. > :55:12.Europe -- we also won. We also won the Bristol mayor campaign, with the

:55:13. > :55:18.first black mayor. And we also were victorious in Salford and here in

:55:19. > :55:22.Liverpool. Congratulations. That is the road of advance we have to

:55:23. > :55:27.return to if we are going to return to power and return the growth of

:55:28. > :55:31.the Labour Party into electoral support right across Britain.

:55:32. > :55:35.There's no doubt that my election as Labour leader one year ago

:55:36. > :55:40.re-election this month grew out of a thirst for a new kind of politics

:55:41. > :55:43.and the conviction that the old way of running the economy and the

:55:44. > :55:51.country isn't delivering for more and more people. It's not about me,

:55:52. > :55:56.of course, or unique to Britain, but across Europe and North America and

:55:57. > :56:01.elsewhere, people are fed up with the so-called free market system,

:56:02. > :56:05.that has produced grotesque inequality, stagnating living

:56:06. > :56:10.standards and many calamitous foreign wars without end. And a

:56:11. > :56:15.political stitch up which leaves the vast majority of people shut out of

:56:16. > :56:21.power. Since the crash of 2008 the demand for alternative and an end to

:56:22. > :56:24.counter-productive austerity has led to the rise of new movements and

:56:25. > :56:31.parties, in one country after another. But in Britain it has

:56:32. > :56:35.happened in a different way. In the heart of an additional politics in

:56:36. > :56:37.the Labour Party. Which is something we should be streaming proud of --

:56:38. > :56:43.in the heart of traditional politics. It is exactly what Labour

:56:44. > :56:46.was founded four, to be the voice of the many, for social justice,

:56:47. > :56:57.progressive change from the bottom up. APPLAUSE

:56:58. > :57:05.But it also means it is no good harking back to the tired old

:57:06. > :57:12.economic and political fixes of 20 and 30 years ago. Because they won't

:57:13. > :57:17.work any more. The old model is broken, we are in a new era and that

:57:18. > :57:22.demands a politics and economics which meets the needs of our own

:57:23. > :57:29.time. Actually, even Theresa May gets it, sort of. That people want

:57:30. > :57:32.change for top that is what she stood on the steps of Downing Street

:57:33. > :57:39.and spoke about the inequalities and burning injustice of today's

:57:40. > :57:44.Britain. Well, she said it. In fact she promised a country that works

:57:45. > :57:51.not for a privileged few but for every one of us. But even if she

:57:52. > :57:56.manages to talk the talk, there are problems about walking the walk.

:57:57. > :58:00.This isn't a new government. This is David Cameron's government

:58:01. > :58:07.repackaged with progressive slogans but with a new harsh right-wing

:58:08. > :58:09.edge, taking the country backwards and dithering before the historic

:58:10. > :58:21.challenges of Brexit. Who is seriously believed that the

:58:22. > :58:24.Tories could ever stand up to the privileged few? They are the party

:58:25. > :58:32.of the privileged few. Funded by the privileged few, for

:58:33. > :58:51.the benefit of the privileged few. There's is a party after all that

:58:52. > :58:54.now wants to force through an undemocratic boundary review based

:58:55. > :59:00.on out of date version of the electoral register with nearly 2

:59:01. > :59:08.million voters missing. They have dressed it up as a bid to cut the

:59:09. > :59:13.cost of politics, by abolishing 50 constituencies, but the 12 million

:59:14. > :59:19.savings are dwarfed by the expense of the 260 peers David Cameron are

:59:20. > :59:26.pointed at a cost of ?34 million year. -- appointed.

:59:27. > :59:38.It is nothing more than a cynical attempt to gerrymander the next

:59:39. > :59:44.election. APPLAUSE And this is from a Prime Minister

:59:45. > :59:51.who was elevated to her job without a single vote being cast after a

:59:52. > :59:55.pantomime farce which saw one leading Tory after another falling

:59:56. > :59:59.on their swords. When I meet Theresa May across the dispatch box I know

:00:00. > :00:03.that only one of us has been elected to the office they hold, by the

:00:04. > :00:09.votes of a third of a million people.

:00:10. > :00:18.In any case the Tories are simply incapable of responding to the

:00:19. > :00:23.breakdown of the old economic model. Because that failed model is

:00:24. > :00:27.absolutely in their political DNA and it is what they deliver every

:00:28. > :00:32.time they are in government, Tory governments deregulate and

:00:33. > :00:35.outsource, privatise, and they stand by as inequality grows, they have

:00:36. > :00:40.cut taxes for the privileged few, sold off our national assets, always

:00:41. > :00:46.on the cheap, and turned a blind eye to their chronic tax avoidance. They

:00:47. > :00:49.are so committed to the interests of the very richest, they have

:00:50. > :00:55.recruited Sir Philip Green into government, is something called the

:00:56. > :01:00.efficiencies are, and I don't know what that does, but I would simply

:01:01. > :01:04.say this, government might be a bit more efficient if the super-rich

:01:05. > :01:14.like Sir Philip Green actually paid their taxes.

:01:15. > :01:27.APPLAUSE When government steps back there are

:01:28. > :01:31.consequences for every of us, look what has happened to housing under

:01:32. > :01:36.the Tories. House-building has fallen to the lowest level since the

:01:37. > :01:43.nine seen 20s, nearly a century ago. -- 1920s. Home ownership is falling

:01:44. > :01:46.as more people are priced out of the market, evictions and disgracefully

:01:47. > :01:51.homelessness and rough sleeping increase month after month year

:01:52. > :01:57.after year. Council homes are being sold off without being replaced.

:01:58. > :02:02.Another consequence of that, we are paying over ?9 billion a year to

:02:03. > :02:09.private landlords in housing benefit to pay the rent. Instead of spending

:02:10. > :02:13.public money on building Council housing, we are subsidising private

:02:14. > :02:14.landlords, that is wasteful, inefficient and frankly poor

:02:15. > :02:33.government. So Labour well, as trees appears

:02:34. > :02:36.says, build a million new homes, and we will control private rents so

:02:37. > :02:47.that we can give every British family that basic human rights,

:02:48. > :02:50.decent home. It is the same in the jobs market. Without proper

:02:51. > :02:54.employment regulation, there has been an explosion of temporary,

:02:55. > :02:57.insecure jobs. Nearly 1 million people on zero hours contracts, not

:02:58. > :03:04.knowing what their earnings are going to be. There are now 6 million

:03:05. > :03:10.working people earning less than a living wage and the poverty amongst

:03:11. > :03:13.those in work is amongst record levels. That did not happen by

:03:14. > :03:19.accident. The Tories have torn up employment rights and deliberately

:03:20. > :03:30.tried to weaken the organisations that get people justice at work, the

:03:31. > :03:35.trade unions. Of course trade unions are not taking this lying down. Look

:03:36. > :03:41.at the great campaign Unite has waged that sport direct to get

:03:42. > :03:47.justice for exploited workers. -- at Sports Direct. They are holding Mike

:03:48. > :03:51.Ashley to account. That is why Labour will repeal of the trade

:03:52. > :03:54.union act and set unions free to do their jobs defending and supporting

:03:55. > :04:23.members and their rights at work. And we will raise the minimum wage

:04:24. > :04:28.to a real living wage that brings working people out of poverty and

:04:29. > :04:36.will ban zero hours contracts. As John McDonnell... John McDonnell,

:04:37. > :04:40.our Shadow Chancellor, said this out very clearly at conference this

:04:41. > :04:46.week. And then there is the scandal of the privatised railways. More

:04:47. > :04:52.public subsidy than under the days of British Rail. All going to

:04:53. > :04:57.private firms and more delays, more cancellations and on top of that,

:04:58. > :05:02.the highest figures in Europe. That is why the great majority of British

:05:03. > :05:08.people back Labour's plan must set out so well by Andy McDonnell this

:05:09. > :05:24.week, to take the railways back into public ownership.

:05:25. > :05:31.But if you want the most spectacular example of what happens when

:05:32. > :05:36.government steps back, the global banking crash is an object lesson. A

:05:37. > :05:39.deregulated industry of out of control, greed and speculation, that

:05:40. > :05:43.crashed economies across the globe and required the biggest ever

:05:44. > :05:50.government intervention and public bailout in history. Millions of

:05:51. > :05:55.ordinary families paid the price of that failure. I pledge that Labour

:05:56. > :06:09.will never let a fewer reckless bankers wreck our economy again.

:06:10. > :06:19.Labour is offering solutions. During the campaign, I set out ten pledges

:06:20. > :06:23.that I believe can be the platform for our party's programme at the

:06:24. > :06:26.next election. They will be put to conference yesterday. They lay out

:06:27. > :06:33.the scope of the change we need to see. For full employment a homes

:06:34. > :06:37.guarantee, security at work, a strong public national health

:06:38. > :06:42.service and social care. A national education service for all. Action on

:06:43. > :06:47.climate change. Public ownership and control of our services, a cut in

:06:48. > :06:52.inequality of income and wealth, action to secure an equal society

:06:53. > :07:05.and peace and justice at the heart of our foreign policy. Don't worry,

:07:06. > :07:09.conference, they are not the Ten Commandments. I haven't come down

:07:10. > :07:16.from the mountain with them. They are here already and they will now

:07:17. > :07:23.of course go to the national policy forum and the party needs to build

:07:24. > :07:26.on them. All our brilliant members have ideas, imagination and

:07:27. > :07:29.inspiration and we want to hear them, the ones who help refining

:07:30. > :07:33.these policies. And above all, take them out to the people of this

:07:34. > :07:38.country, take them out so that we get support on them. But those ten

:07:39. > :07:43.pledges, the core of the platform which I was re-elected on, will now

:07:44. > :07:48.form the framework of what Labour will campaign for and what a Labour

:07:49. > :07:52.government will do. Together, they show the direction of change we are

:07:53. > :07:59.determined to take and outline a programme to rebuild and transform

:08:00. > :08:02.Britain. They are rooted in traditional Labour values and

:08:03. > :08:07.objectives but they are shaped to meet the challenges of the 21st

:08:08. > :08:14.century. They are values that Labour is united on. They reflect the views

:08:15. > :08:17.and aspirations of the majority of our people. And they are values that

:08:18. > :08:26.our country can and will support as soon as they are given the chance to

:08:27. > :08:32.do it. These pledges are not just words. Already across the country

:08:33. > :08:36.Labour councils are putting Labour values into action in a way that

:08:37. > :08:40.makes a real difference to millions of people, despite cynical

:08:41. > :08:46.government funding cuts that have hit Labour councils, often

:08:47. > :08:56.representing the poorest part of the country, five times as hard as Tory

:08:57. > :09:02.run areas. Good examples like Nottingham City Council setting up

:09:03. > :09:08.the not for profit Robin Hood energy company to provide affordable

:09:09. > :09:14.energy. Or Cardiff bus company taking 100,000 passengers every day,

:09:15. > :09:21.publicly owned with a passenger panel to hold its directors to

:09:22. > :09:25.account. Or Preston council working to favourite local procurement and

:09:26. > :09:31.keep money in the town. Or Newcastle Council providing free Wi-Fi in 69

:09:32. > :09:35.public buildings across the city. Or Croydon Council setting up a company

:09:36. > :09:39.to build 1000 new homes, and as their councillor says, we can no

:09:40. > :09:45.longer afford to sit back and let the market to take its course.

:09:46. > :09:48.Glasgow, that has established a high quality, flexible workplaces. For

:09:49. > :09:53.start-up, high-growth companies in dynamic new sectors. Or right here

:09:54. > :10:01.in Liverpool, set to be at the global forefront of a new wave of

:10:02. > :10:06.technology, the home of Census city, in business hub aiming to create 300

:10:07. > :10:10.start-up businesses and 1000 jobs over the next decade. And there are

:10:11. > :10:13.many other examples. It is a proud labour record. Each and every Labour

:10:14. > :10:17.councillor deserves our heartfelt thanks for the work they do and the

:10:18. > :10:35.difficult bits they endure in doing it. But I want to go further. I want

:10:36. > :10:38.to put public enterprise back into the heart of our economy and

:10:39. > :10:42.services to meet the needs of local communities. Municipal socialism for

:10:43. > :10:49.the 21st century, as an engine of local growth and development. That

:10:50. > :10:54.is why I am announcing that Labour will remove the artificial borrowing

:10:55. > :11:03.cap and allowed councils to borrow against housing stock. That single

:11:04. > :11:07.measure alone the... APPLAUSE. That single measure alone will allow them

:11:08. > :11:16.to build an extra 12,000 council homes a year. Labour councils

:11:17. > :11:19.increasingly have a policy of in-house as the preferred provider.

:11:20. > :11:24.Many councils have brought bin collections, cleaners and IT

:11:25. > :11:29.services back in-house. In sourcing privatised contracts to save money

:11:30. > :11:42.for council taxpayers and ensure good terms and conditions for their

:11:43. > :11:48.staff. I have said that Labour will put security at worst and employment

:11:49. > :11:51.-- at work and employment rights they won centrestage. One in six

:11:52. > :11:56.workers in Britain are a self employed. They are right to buy knew

:11:57. > :12:01.their independence but for too many it comes with insecurity and a

:12:02. > :12:06.woeful lack of rights. So we will review arrangements for self implied

:12:07. > :12:09.people including Social Security that self-employed people pay for in

:12:10. > :12:14.their taxes, yet are not fully covered by it. We will ensure that

:12:15. > :12:19.successful innovators have access to the finance necessary to take their

:12:20. > :12:24.ideas to the next level, grow their businesses and generating plant. So

:12:25. > :12:28.as part of our workplace 2020 review, we will make sure that our

:12:29. > :12:34.tax and social security arrangements are fit for the 21st century,

:12:35. > :12:37.consulting with self implied workers and the Federation of Small

:12:38. > :12:50.Businesses. -- self-employed workers. If the Tories are the party

:12:51. > :12:55.of cups and short termism, Labour is the party of investing for the

:12:56. > :13:01.future. -- the party of cups. With the same level of investment as

:13:02. > :13:07.other major economies, we could be so much more. We could unlock so

:13:08. > :13:10.much skill, ingenuity and wealth. That is why we will establish a

:13:11. > :13:14.national investment bank at the heart of our plan to rebuild and

:13:15. > :13:21.transform this country. And we will borrow to invest. At historically

:13:22. > :13:24.low interest rates, to generate far greater returns. It would be foolish

:13:25. > :13:29.not to because that investment is expanding the economy and the income

:13:30. > :13:35.it generates for us all in the process. Even this government, after

:13:36. > :13:42.years of austerity and savage cuts, is starting to change its tune. I am

:13:43. > :13:46.not content with accepting second class broadband. Not content with

:13:47. > :13:51.creaking railways, not content with seeing the United States and Germany

:13:52. > :13:57.investing in cutting-edge green technologies while we lag behind.

:13:58. > :14:01.Last year, for example, the Prime Minister promised a universal

:14:02. > :14:06.service obligation for 10 megabytes broadband. But since then, the

:14:07. > :14:10.government has done nothing, letting down entrepreneurs, businesses and

:14:11. > :14:15.families, especially those in rural areas that want to grow their

:14:16. > :14:19.economy. That is why we have set out proposals for a national investment

:14:20. > :14:33.bank with ?500 billion of investment to bring our broadband, housing and

:14:34. > :14:39.energy infrastructure up to scratch. A country that does not invest is a

:14:40. > :14:43.country that has given up, that has taken the path of managed decline. A

:14:44. > :14:55.Labour government will never accept second best for this country. Our

:14:56. > :15:02.country's history is based on individual ingenuity and collective

:15:03. > :15:07.endeavour. We are the country of Ada Lovelace, Alan Turing, Tim

:15:08. > :15:10.Berners-Lee, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Sarah Guppy, George

:15:11. > :15:16.Stephenson, Eric Laithwaite, brilliant people that made so much

:15:17. > :15:19.and developed so much. But the Tories have turned their back on

:15:20. > :15:25.this proud British tradition. They put privatisation and cutting

:15:26. > :15:29.spending first. Britain now spends less on research as a share of

:15:30. > :15:34.national income than France, Germany, the US and China. A Labour

:15:35. > :15:50.government will bring research and development up to 3% of GDP.

:15:51. > :15:55.Yesterday Rebecca long Bailey set out the terms of our industrial

:15:56. > :15:59.strategy review. We need an economy that works for every part of this

:16:00. > :16:06.country so that no community is left behind. And today, I am asking

:16:07. > :16:10.everyone, businesses, academics, workers, trade unions, and anyone

:16:11. > :16:14.who cares about our future prosperity, to have a say in that

:16:15. > :16:19.review. We are a wealthy country and not just in terms of money. We are

:16:20. > :16:24.rich in talent, potential. That is why we proposed a conference of

:16:25. > :16:27.national education service. At the heart of our programme for

:16:28. > :16:28.government, to deliver high quality education for all throughout our

:16:29. > :16:47.lives. Education has always been a core

:16:48. > :16:51.Labour value. From the time of Alan Wilkinson, later the Education

:16:52. > :16:55.Minister, and before that. And a national education service will mean

:16:56. > :17:00.delay might be an essential part of the 21st welfare state. In a rapidly

:17:01. > :17:07.changing economy, people need to retrain or upgrade their skills.

:17:08. > :17:11.Britain already lags behind others in productivity. That is partly

:17:12. > :17:15.about investing in technology and infrastructure. And partly it is

:17:16. > :17:21.about investing in people and their skills. How can we build and expand

:17:22. > :17:28.the sectors of the future without a skilled workforce? This Conservative

:17:29. > :17:31.government has slashed adult education budgets, taking away

:17:32. > :17:35.opportunities for people to develop skills, and leaving businesses

:17:36. > :17:39.struggling to find the skilled workforce that they need to succeed.

:17:40. > :17:43.So today I am offering business a new settlement. A new deal to

:17:44. > :17:49.rebuild Britain. Under Labour, we will provide the investment to

:17:50. > :17:52.rebuild Britain's infra structure. We will fund that investment because

:17:53. > :17:57.it will lead to a more productive economy. Providing the basis on

:17:58. > :18:06.which our economy and businesses can thrive. Helping to provide over 1

:18:07. > :18:10.million good jobs and opportunities. But investment in capital must also

:18:11. > :18:14.include investment in human capital, the skilled workers needed to make

:18:15. > :18:17.our economy a success. So this is the deal Labour will offer to

:18:18. > :18:22.business. Do not pay for a national education service, will ask you to

:18:23. > :18:26.pay a little more in tax. We have already started to set out some of

:18:27. > :18:32.this pledging to raise corporation tax by less than 1.5% to give an

:18:33. > :18:34.education maintenance allowance to college students, grants to

:18:35. > :18:40.university students, so that every young learner can afford to support

:18:41. > :18:58.themselves as they develop skills and get qualifications.

:18:59. > :19:03.Business shares in economic success and it must contribute to it, too. I

:19:04. > :19:07.recognise that good businesses deserve a level playing field. I

:19:08. > :19:13.also pledged to good businesses that we will clamp down on those that

:19:14. > :19:25.dodge taxes. You should not be undercut by those that do not play

:19:26. > :19:30.by the rules. There is nothing more unpatriotic than not paying your

:19:31. > :19:35.taxes. Frank way, it is an act of vandalism, damaging our National

:19:36. > :19:39.Health Service, damaging older people's social care, damaging

:19:40. > :19:42.younger people's education. So a Labour government will make the

:19:43. > :19:53.shabby tax avoidance a thing of the past.

:19:54. > :19:59.Our national education service is going to be every bit as vital as

:20:00. > :20:03.our National Health Service has become. So we recognise that

:20:04. > :20:07.education is not simply about preparing for the workplace. It is

:20:08. > :20:13.also about exploration of knowledge and unlocking the creativity that is

:20:14. > :20:17.they are in every human being. So all school pupils should have a

:20:18. > :20:20.chance to learn an instrument, take part in drama and dance, have

:20:21. > :20:27.regular access to a theatre, gallery, museum in their local area.

:20:28. > :20:32.So that is why we will introduce an arts pupil premium to every ordinary

:20:33. > :20:36.school in England and Wales and consult on the design and national

:20:37. > :20:44.roll-out to extend this premium to all secondary schools. This will be

:20:45. > :20:47.?160 million to boost schools to invest in projects that will support

:20:48. > :20:52.cultural activities for schools over the longer term. It could hardly be

:20:53. > :20:58.more different from the Tory approach to education. Their only

:20:59. > :21:00.plan is the return of grammar schools, segregation and

:21:01. > :21:11.second-class schooling for the majority. And what a great job

:21:12. > :21:24.Angela Rayner is doing in opposing them in this.

:21:25. > :21:31.So this Saturday, the first of the club, I want you to take this

:21:32. > :21:37.message into your community. That Labour is standing up for education.

:21:38. > :21:44.-- October one. Standing up for education for all.

:21:45. > :21:50.Grammar schools are not the only way the Tories are bringing division

:21:51. > :21:55.back into our society. They are also using the tried and tested tricks of

:21:56. > :22:01.demonising and scapegoating to distract from their fingers. Whether

:22:02. > :22:05.it is single mothers, unemployed people, disabled people or migrants,

:22:06. > :22:17.Tory failure is always someone else's fault. And those smears have

:22:18. > :22:23.consequences, from children being bullied in school to attacks on the

:22:24. > :22:27.street such as the rise in disability hate crime. I am so proud

:22:28. > :22:31.of this party. In the last year we have stood up to the government on

:22:32. > :22:36.cuts to disabled people's benefits and cuts to Working Families Tax

:22:37. > :22:39.Credits. And on Monday our Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary, Debbie

:22:40. > :22:43.Abrahams, announced we would be scrapping the punitive sanctions

:22:44. > :23:02.regime and the degrading work capability assessment.

:23:03. > :23:15.As politicians and citizens, we have zero tolerance towards those who

:23:16. > :23:21.whip out division. Stand together against racism, Islamophobia and

:23:22. > :23:35.anti-Semitism. And we defend those being demonised. It's been shaming

:23:36. > :23:37.to our multicultural society that assaults on migrants have increased

:23:38. > :23:44.sharply since the referendum campaign. A campaign that peddled

:23:45. > :23:49.myths and would top division. It isn't migrants that drive down

:23:50. > :23:52.wages, it's exploitative employers. And the politicians who deregulate

:23:53. > :24:00.the labour market and rip up trade union rights. It isn't migrants who

:24:01. > :24:06.put a strain on our National Health Service. It only keep going because

:24:07. > :24:11.of the migrant nurses and doctors who come here, filling the gaps left

:24:12. > :24:19.by politicians who failed to invest in training. It isn't migrants that

:24:20. > :24:31.have caused the housing crisis, it is a Tory government that has failed

:24:32. > :24:35.to build homes. Immigration can certainly put extra pressure on

:24:36. > :24:39.services. That is why under Gordon Brown Labour set up the migrant

:24:40. > :24:44.impact fund. To provide extra funding to communities that have the

:24:45. > :24:52.largest rises in population. A good plan. Very effective. What did the

:24:53. > :24:56.Tories do? They abolished it. Then they demonise migrants for putting

:24:57. > :24:59.pressure on services. A Labour government will not offer false

:25:00. > :25:02.promises on immigration as the Tories have done. We will not sow

:25:03. > :25:07.division by fanning the flames of fear, we will tackle the real issues

:25:08. > :25:10.of immigration instead. Whatever the eventual outcome operated

:25:11. > :25:14.negotiations, we will make the changes that are needed. We will act

:25:15. > :25:17.decisively to end of the undercutting of workers pay and

:25:18. > :25:20.conditions through the exploitation of migrant labour and agency

:25:21. > :25:30.working, which would reduce the number of migrant workers in the

:25:31. > :25:32.process. And we will ease the pressure on hard-pressed public

:25:33. > :25:41.services struggling to absorb Tory austerity cuts in communities

:25:42. > :25:44.absorbing new publications. Labour will reinstate the Migrant Impact

:25:45. > :25:49.Fund and give extra support to areas of high migration using a Visa levy

:25:50. > :25:54.for its intended purpose. And we will add a citizenship application

:25:55. > :25:59.fee to boost the fund. That is the labour way to tackle social tension.

:26:00. > :26:11.Investment and assistance, not racism and division.

:26:12. > :26:23.This party campaigned hard to remain in the European Union. But although

:26:24. > :26:27.most Labour voters backed us, we did not convince millions of natural

:26:28. > :26:35.labour voters, especially in those parts of the country left behind by

:26:36. > :26:39.years of neglect under investment and deindustrialisation. Now we have

:26:40. > :26:45.to face the future together. They are not helped by patronising or

:26:46. > :26:50.lecturing those who voted to leave. We have to hear their concerns about

:26:51. > :26:52.jobs, public services, wages and immigration. We have to respect

:26:53. > :26:59.their votes and the decision of the British people. Of course that does

:27:00. > :27:04.not mean giving it like to Theresa May and her three like a team of

:27:05. > :27:12.fractures Brexiteers. -- three legged it. But unfortunately, they

:27:13. > :27:16.have a distraction from that because they have to squabble about whose

:27:17. > :27:21.turn it is to go to the country retreat each weekend. We have made

:27:22. > :27:24.it clear that we will resist a Brexit at the expense of workers'

:27:25. > :27:45.rights and social justice. We will also be pressing our own

:27:46. > :27:51.Brexit agenda, including the freedom to intervene in our own industries

:27:52. > :27:58.like steel, without the obligation to liberalise or privatise public

:27:59. > :28:05.services. And building a new relationship with Europe based on

:28:06. > :28:11.cooperation and international is. And as Europe places the impact of a

:28:12. > :28:14.-- face of the impact of a refugee crisis fuelled by wards in the

:28:15. > :28:17.Middle East, we have to face the role that repeated military

:28:18. > :28:26.intervention by British and other governments have played in that

:28:27. > :28:30.crisis. The Chilcot Inquiry made absolutely clear the lessons to be

:28:31. > :28:34.learned from the disastrous invasion and occupation of Iraq. Just as this

:28:35. > :28:37.month the Foreign Affairs Select Committee report into the war in

:28:38. > :28:46.Libya demonstrated, those lessons have still to be learned a decade

:28:47. > :28:50.later. The impact of those wars has been a spread of terrorism and

:28:51. > :28:54.violence across an arc of conflict that has displaced millions of

:28:55. > :28:59.people, forcing them from the countries. That is why I believe it

:29:00. > :29:03.was right to apologise on behalf of the party for the Iraq war. It was

:29:04. > :29:24.right to say that we learnt the lessons.

:29:25. > :29:37.And right to say that such a catastrophe must never be allowed to

:29:38. > :29:41.happen again. We need a foreign policy based on peace, justice and

:29:42. > :29:46.human rights. I tell you this today, what great news it is to hear a

:29:47. > :29:55.peace treaty has been agreed in Colombia after 50 years of

:29:56. > :29:58.devastating war. And we need to honour our international treaty

:29:59. > :30:02.obligations on nuclear disarmament as much as we do on human rights and

:30:03. > :30:08.other things, and encourage others to do the same. But we are a long

:30:09. > :30:13.way from that humanitarian vision. Britain continues to sell arms to

:30:14. > :30:17.Saudi Arabia, a country the United Nations says is committing repeated

:30:18. > :30:23.violations of international humanitarian law, war crimes in

:30:24. > :30:30.Yemen. And on Sunday it was good to stand alongside the Yemeni community

:30:31. > :30:37.here in Liverpool, who endorsed our call to end arms sales to Saudi

:30:38. > :30:42.Arabia. Just as the war crimes that are going on in other places, such

:30:43. > :30:53.as Syria. There has to be a political solution to the conflicts.

:30:54. > :30:56.Today, I make it clear that under a Labour government, when there are

:30:57. > :31:00.credible reports of human rights abuses, or war crimes being

:31:01. > :31:02.committed, British arms sales will be suspended, starting with Saudi

:31:03. > :31:33.Arabia. Last year the votes we needed to win

:31:34. > :31:38.power went many different ways in all parts of our country, web

:31:39. > :31:45.millions of our potential voters stayed at home -- where millions.

:31:46. > :31:48.Many did not believe we offered an alternative, and it is too there is

:31:49. > :31:55.an electoral mountain to climb, but if we focus everything on the needs

:31:56. > :32:01.and aspirations of middle and lower income families, ordinary families

:32:02. > :32:05.-- it is true. If we demonstrate we have a viable alternative to the

:32:06. > :32:11.other man's failed policies I'm convinced we can build the electoral

:32:12. > :32:17.support that can be the Tories -- to the government's failed policies.

:32:18. > :32:21.This means... APPLAUSE This means being the voice of women,

:32:22. > :32:31.young people, pensioners, middle and lower income workers, the employed,

:32:32. > :32:34.unemployed, self-employed, everyone struggling to get on and secure a

:32:35. > :32:39.better life for themselves and their families and their communities.

:32:40. > :32:41.Running like a golden thread through Labour's vision for today as

:32:42. > :32:47.throughout our history is the struggle for equality. Rampant

:32:48. > :32:52.inequality has become the great scandal of our time, sapping the

:32:53. > :32:58.potential of our society, tearing at its fabric, Labour's goal is not

:32:59. > :33:06.just greater equality of wealth and income, it is also about power. Our

:33:07. > :33:09.aim is ambitious, we want a new settlement for the 21st century, in

:33:10. > :33:14.politics, business, our committees, with the environment and in our

:33:15. > :33:20.relationships with the rest of the world -- communities. Everyone in

:33:21. > :33:28.the Labour Party is motivated by the gap of what our country is and what

:33:29. > :33:35.it could be. APPLAUSE We know that in the sixth largest

:33:36. > :33:38.economy in the world the food banks, stunted life chances and growing

:33:39. > :33:43.poverty alongside wealth on and on dreamt of scale, are remarkably

:33:44. > :33:52.shameful and totally unnecessary failure. -- are a mark of a

:33:53. > :33:57.shameful. We know how great this country could be for all its people

:33:58. > :34:02.with a new political and economic settlement. With new forms of

:34:03. > :34:07.democratic public ownership, driven by investment in the technology and

:34:08. > :34:10.industries of the future, with decent jobs, education and housing

:34:11. > :34:16.for everyone, with local services run by and for people. Not

:34:17. > :34:21.outsourced to faceless corporations. This is not backward looking, this

:34:22. > :34:22.is very much the opposite. It is a socialism of the 21st-century.

:34:23. > :34:38.CHEERING Our job is now to win over the

:34:39. > :34:43.unconvinced of our vision, only that way can we secure the Labour

:34:44. > :34:47.government we need. Let's be frank, no one will be convinced of a

:34:48. > :34:55.promoted a divided party, we all agree on that. So I ask each and

:34:56. > :34:59.everyone of you do except the decision of the members, and the

:35:00. > :35:05.trench warfare, and work together to take on the Tories. -- to accept the

:35:06. > :35:41.decision of the members. Conference, anything else is a

:35:42. > :35:46.luxury that the millions of people who depend on Labour cannot afford.

:35:47. > :35:50.We know there will be local elections next May in Scotland,

:35:51. > :35:56.where we won three council by-elections in the summer, in

:35:57. > :35:58.Wales, and thank you Labour Scotland, and in Wales and across

:35:59. > :36:03.the counties in England and there will be mayor elections as well,

:36:04. > :36:09.including right here on Merseyside. Where my good friend Steve will be

:36:10. > :36:21.standing as the Labour candidate. CHEERING

:36:22. > :36:32.Steve, best of luck. I will miss your comradeship and humour and your

:36:33. > :36:40.criticism and your wonderful sport. -- support. APPLAUSE

:36:41. > :36:42.And on the same day we will be electing Andy Burnham in Manchester

:36:43. > :37:00.and John Simon in Birmingham. Three big Labour factories on the

:37:01. > :37:08.same day, are we agreed on that? CHEERING

:37:09. > :37:15.-- Victor Ruiz. -- three big Labour victories. But we could also face a

:37:16. > :37:18.general election next year. Whatever the Prime Minister says about snap

:37:19. > :37:23.elections, there is every chance Theresa May will cut and run for an

:37:24. > :37:28.early election. So today we put ourselves on notice, Labour is

:37:29. > :37:34.preparing for a general election in 2017.

:37:35. > :37:50.And we hope and expect all our members to support our campaign, and

:37:51. > :37:56.we will be ready for the challenge whenever it comes.

:37:57. > :38:06.Let's do it. Let's do it and be ready for that challenge. Let's do

:38:07. > :38:15.it in the spirit of the great Scots born Liverpool football manager Bill

:38:16. > :38:22.Shankly. Sorry, Andy, I know you support Everton, but don't go. You

:38:23. > :38:27.will like it, it's OK. The socialism I believe in is everybody working

:38:28. > :38:32.for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That

:38:33. > :38:40.is how I see football and that is how I see life.

:38:41. > :38:55.We are not all Bill Shanklys and each of us comes to our socialism

:38:56. > :39:00.from our own experiences. Mine was shaped by my mother and father, a

:39:01. > :39:07.teacher and an engineer, both very committed socialists and peace

:39:08. > :39:09.campaigners, my mother's inspiration was to encourage girls to believe

:39:10. > :39:18.they could achieve anything in their lives. And I've met some of the

:39:19. > :39:21.pupils she taught. She inspired so many girls to take up science and

:39:22. > :39:26.engineering because of her example. In my experience working as a

:39:27. > :39:31.volunteer teacher in Jamaica when I was a young man, it taught me so

:39:32. > :39:33.much about the strength of communities living in adversity and

:39:34. > :39:38.showing the most amazing solidarity to each other in poverty and in Rome

:39:39. > :39:46.at communities and determined to achieve something collectively good

:39:47. > :39:57.for the entire community -- and in remote communities. APPLAUSE

:39:58. > :40:01.And later I spent years as a union organiser representing low paid

:40:02. > :40:06.workers, fighting for the national minimum wage and fighting for decent

:40:07. > :40:09.wages and conditions, unions make us strong, but also it is the

:40:10. > :40:16.determination of people to be strong for themselves and above all strong

:40:17. > :40:28.for each other which shakes my politics and my values. -- shapes.

:40:29. > :40:36.As the great American poet Langston Hughes put it. I see, that's my own

:40:37. > :40:48.hands can make, the world that's in my mind. Everyone here and everyone

:40:49. > :40:55.of our hundreds of thousands of members has to contribute to our

:40:56. > :40:58.cause and that is why we will unite, build on our policies and take our

:40:59. > :41:07.vision out to a country is crying out for change. We are half a

:41:08. > :41:14.million of us and there will be many more, working together to make our

:41:15. > :41:18.country the place it could be, conference United, we can shape the

:41:19. > :41:27.future, and build a fairer Britain in a peaceful world. Thank you.

:41:28. > :41:35.STUDIO: That is Jeremy Corbyn, speaking for just about an hour,

:41:36. > :41:41.setting out his vision for the future of the Labour Party. He

:41:42. > :41:44.didn't dwell on the events which have been happening with the

:41:45. > :41:51.leadership election apart from the beginning. He laid out a fairly

:41:52. > :41:57.detailed set of proposals for what he would like from a future Labour

:41:58. > :42:00.government, and he declared he was putting the Labour Party on a

:42:01. > :42:07.general election footing and he expects it next year. Tom Harris,

:42:08. > :42:16.what did you make of it? His delivery has improved, no mistakes.

:42:17. > :42:23.Last year he came across an instruction from one of his speech

:42:24. > :42:26.writers which he just read out, said strong message here, that did not

:42:27. > :42:32.happen here, that would have been funny. He still has an odd way of

:42:33. > :42:36.delivering some lines where he gets quite angry in the middle of a

:42:37. > :42:41.sentence and it isn't really appropriate, but the overall message

:42:42. > :42:48.that struck me, this is a message to the Labour Party, he was speaking to

:42:49. > :42:51.the hall and the unions, the number of times he mentioned the growth of

:42:52. > :42:58.membership of the party, the importance of unity, and there

:42:59. > :43:05.wasn't much else for the masses be on the walls of Liverpool. --

:43:06. > :43:12.beyond. Do you think that is fair, Severin? Tony Blair used to go on

:43:13. > :43:18.for ages with his soaring flights of fancy, but he was speaking to the

:43:19. > :43:22.country, arguably. Rather than the conference. That sounded as if it

:43:23. > :43:29.was more spoken to Labour Party members. Indeed, and also mostly

:43:30. > :43:33.English Labour Party members, the vast majority of policies were to do

:43:34. > :43:39.with English policy, some to do with Wales, there wasn't much reflection

:43:40. > :43:45.of devolution across the UK, and I also felt there was a lack of a big

:43:46. > :43:48.idea. There was no actual energy, no emotional or political energy other

:43:49. > :43:54.than reflecting a series of policy positions which we know he already

:43:55. > :43:58.holds. I'm completely unclear as to why there should be a general

:43:59. > :44:05.election next year, on what basis? The biggest challenge facing the UK

:44:06. > :44:11.and the Tory party is organising Brexit and trying to get the

:44:12. > :44:16.mechanism going. I think that is a dog whistle to the party. He is

:44:17. > :44:22.trying to make the party feel they have something to get involved with,

:44:23. > :44:28.but I'm not entirely sure that is a real proposition, I'm afraid. That

:44:29. > :44:31.is maybe part of the strategy of unity, the one way of getting unity

:44:32. > :44:35.in any party as riveting as the Labour Party is to get them to focus

:44:36. > :44:44.on the common enemy and the best way of doing that... He was pretty

:44:45. > :44:54.explicit about that. Yes, he said unite to get to a general election.

:44:55. > :44:57.He said the market system no longer works, as well, which is interesting

:44:58. > :45:05.because he didn't come up with an alternative and he didn't say... I

:45:06. > :45:08.was going to ask, we said he was going to need to appeal to people

:45:09. > :45:17.who voted Tory in the last election, but in the list of polish -- policy

:45:18. > :45:24.measures, is there anything which can win over people who voted Tory

:45:25. > :45:31.at the last election? About 90% of it is fluff and vague with policy

:45:32. > :45:37.speeches, it is not blood and soil socialism which we think is going to

:45:38. > :45:40.come out, much of it is quite... We have got to make peace and justice

:45:41. > :45:45.part of our foreign policy, no one can disagree with that. Plenty in

:45:46. > :45:49.that that former Conservative voters might say, I don't have any

:45:50. > :45:55.objection to getting rid of poverty and homelessness, but there were no

:45:56. > :45:58.specifics that would take people's imagination and get their attention

:45:59. > :46:02.to say this is a party worth supporting. We will be back to you

:46:03. > :46:05.very shortly. Our westminster correspondent

:46:06. > :46:14.David Porter was in That speech has just finished and it

:46:15. > :46:23.went down very very well in the hall, and it went down very well,

:46:24. > :46:27.pressing buttons that would appeal to the people at the conference, the

:46:28. > :46:32.things about human rights and the plans to build more council houses

:46:33. > :46:37.and also the immigration section, as well, where he said further

:46:38. > :46:40.resources would be given to local authorities to look at bringing

:46:41. > :46:43.people who come to this country and making sure that local authorities

:46:44. > :46:48.have the right number of resources to deal with them. It went down very

:46:49. > :46:53.well in the hall, but one thing that struck me, it was very hard to find

:46:54. > :46:59.any reference to Scotland. The reference to Scotland included

:47:00. > :47:04.praise for bars go City Council, for the work they've done, and quoting a

:47:05. > :47:10.phrase from Bill Shankly -- Glasgow City Council. What I thought was

:47:11. > :47:16.quite interesting from a Scottish perspective, no mention of Kezia

:47:17. > :47:22.Dugdale and I think that is telling in its absence. Was it

:47:23. > :47:28.inspirational, do you think? Or is the whole point about Jeremy Corbyn,

:47:29. > :47:39.that he is deliberately not inspirational? He wants to get away

:47:40. > :47:44.from the old politics. It is typical Jeremy Corbyn, he has his old

:47:45. > :47:48.rhetorical style, not the set piece conference tie we have become used

:47:49. > :47:52.to from Labour leaders and it was 1 million miles away from style

:47:53. > :47:58.content and politics from one Tony Blair. But it was using images and

:47:59. > :48:04.the language that Jeremy Corbyn feels confident with. I don't think

:48:05. > :48:08.you could have repackaged him a different way, this was the kind of

:48:09. > :48:12.conference speech he wanted to make and that was using the language that

:48:13. > :48:18.he feels comfortable with, talking about the issues he feels

:48:19. > :48:21.comfortable with. But towards the end he put his party on a general

:48:22. > :48:27.election footing saying he thought there would be a general election in

:48:28. > :48:29.2017 and he used that phrase about trench warfare, saying divided

:48:30. > :48:37.parties did not win, so he was putting his party are on and -- on a

:48:38. > :48:41.general election footing and he was also saying if there's a possibility

:48:42. > :48:49.of that, may not like me but you have got to back me for that

:48:50. > :48:53.campaign. We can go to the family, he led Jeremy Corbyn's campaign in

:48:54. > :49:01.Scotland. -- we can go to Neil Findlay. What happened to Scotland?

:49:02. > :49:05.There was maybe some talk that Jeremy Corbyn did not win the

:49:06. > :49:09.election here. We do not have official figures from the party,

:49:10. > :49:15.they never divided it down on that basis before and I don't know if

:49:16. > :49:25.they are going to do that again, but our internal telephone canvassing

:49:26. > :49:29.and work suggested he won by around 60 two 40 in Scotland, and if you

:49:30. > :49:34.think about this logically, when I took part in a leadership election

:49:35. > :49:40.in Scotland, membership was down to around 40,000 a couple years ago,

:49:41. > :49:47.but membership is now around 25,000 -- was down to around 14,000. The

:49:48. > :49:52.majority who joined in the last couple of years were Owen Smith

:49:53. > :49:58.supporters, that idea, I think that is a bit wide of the mark. Clearly

:49:59. > :50:04.and very publicly, the leadership of the Scottish Labour Party, Kezia

:50:05. > :50:14.Dugdale in the ticket, is not very pro-Jeremy Corbyn -- Kezia Dugdale

:50:15. > :50:17.in particular. You hoping that you can start a Jeremy Corbyn movement

:50:18. > :50:24.in Scotland which can take the Labour Party? LAUGHTER

:50:25. > :50:29.I'm Labour through and through and I want the Labour Party to go forward,

:50:30. > :50:33.getting many more members, I think it is great that membership is

:50:34. > :50:36.growing and that we are now increasing and have almost doubled

:50:37. > :50:41.membership in Scotland in the last couple of years, that is a very good

:50:42. > :50:47.thing. No takeovers and no division, moving forward, we are progressive,

:50:48. > :50:51.democratic socialist agenda, that we can start to convince people that

:50:52. > :50:58.they should be coming back to Labour in Scotland. It has been pointed out

:50:59. > :51:05.there was very little in the speech that he made about Scotland. Many of

:51:06. > :51:12.the detailed proposals were only applying to England. Would it be

:51:13. > :51:18.your aspiration that Scottish Labour should have a programme that is more

:51:19. > :51:23.like the programme Jeremy Corbyn has down south than it is at the moment?

:51:24. > :51:27.If you look at the manifesto we had at the Scottish elections it was a

:51:28. > :51:31.very progressive manifesto, that probably a few years ago would never

:51:32. > :51:38.have been written, and I was very proud to stand on that manifesto.

:51:39. > :51:42.The policies for the Scottish Labour Party, anti-austerity and anti-cuts,

:51:43. > :51:46.we are delivering in Parliament, opposing the SNP's cuts to the NHS,

:51:47. > :51:51.they are very much in line with what Jeremy Corbyn is saying to the UK.

:51:52. > :51:57.You are happy for Kezia Dugdale to continue with the same ideas she has

:51:58. > :52:02.at the moment? We can continue those ideas further, the manifesto was

:52:03. > :52:06.good, Kezia Dugdale has said we will not be abandoning that manifesto,

:52:07. > :52:09.and that is a good thing. And that we should develop it further and

:52:10. > :52:14.develop our arguments further because the Scottish people will

:52:15. > :52:20.need a strong Labour Party providing a progressive alternative to the

:52:21. > :52:26.SNP's cuts agenda. One small problem, you were thumped in the

:52:27. > :52:32.election. We did. If the manifesto was so brilliant, why did you get

:52:33. > :52:38.thumped? The idea that we got thumped because of the manifesto

:52:39. > :52:43.alone is fanciful, the Labour Party's problems in Scotland are

:52:44. > :52:47.lengthy and have been around or in the making for very long time and I

:52:48. > :52:52.don't think the manifesto was the cause of in Scotland. There are many

:52:53. > :52:57.other factors. -- the cause of defeat in Scotland. Do you see any

:52:58. > :53:01.way back for Labour in Scotland and what would they need to do to become

:53:02. > :53:07.the sort of party that it was even 20 years ago? We have got to be

:53:08. > :53:12.credible and we have got to present a credible team and a credible

:53:13. > :53:17.manifesto of ideas that we take forward, and... You set the

:53:18. > :53:21.manifesto did not matter, you were thumped out that was not because of

:53:22. > :53:28.the manifesto. But we need that programme so that we can offer an

:53:29. > :53:31.alternative to the SNP and the Tories, and arguing that message

:53:32. > :53:39.through the media and social media, getting out there, in the last few

:53:40. > :53:43.weeks we have been winning council by-elections and quite famously

:53:44. > :53:47.defeating Nicola Sturgeon's father. These things are good for us, we

:53:48. > :53:54.need to build on this and take this message forward. How would you reply

:53:55. > :54:00.to critics of your wing of the party, who say despite these good

:54:01. > :54:08.council elections victories, that Labour led by Jeremy Corbyn is, to

:54:09. > :54:14.use the words of Kezia Dugdale, has little or no chance of being

:54:15. > :54:17.elected? And that you have just voted for years of oblivion for a

:54:18. > :54:21.party which you think can actually do something to change the country.

:54:22. > :54:29.You have given the Tories the game, set and match, effectively. I reject

:54:30. > :54:32.that absolutely outright. Politics across the western world is very

:54:33. > :54:39.unpredictable at the moment and I've already seen newspaper columnists

:54:40. > :54:43.saying that very thing. Alerting people to not be writing off the

:54:44. > :54:48.Labour Party because the state of the economy and the state of

:54:49. > :54:52.politics across Western Europe. I think it would be a very foolish

:54:53. > :55:03.person to write us off. Thanks for joining us. A final word from Tom

:55:04. > :55:12.and Severin, what would your replied -- replied the two Jeremy Corbyn

:55:13. > :55:17.supporters, -- what would your replied the two Jeremy

:55:18. > :55:23.look at what is happening to the Socialist party in France and in

:55:24. > :55:30.Spain, they say that in Britain, the social Democratic party is the

:55:31. > :55:34.biggest political party in your, and on the one hand people say they

:55:35. > :55:37.can't be elected, but they are also keeping social democracy going which

:55:38. > :55:43.is not happening in other places -- the biggest little party in Europe.

:55:44. > :55:46.Because of this abrupt movement of the left, I think what we have come

:55:47. > :55:50.to know as social democracy in Britain doesn't look much like

:55:51. > :55:55.social democracy, social democracy is a except those of a mixed economy

:55:56. > :56:10.and that you use the market and exploit the market for social ends

:56:11. > :56:15.stashed -- accept. Jeremy, did not say anything which contradicted

:56:16. > :56:19.that? It is his record. If he could erase everything he said over the

:56:20. > :56:22.last 30 years he would be a much better leader and more credible, but

:56:23. > :56:30.if you look at what he has said over the years, and I'm not even talking

:56:31. > :56:33.about his support for the IRA, but his support for full-blown

:56:34. > :56:43.socialism, high taxation, it is very old school. He would say, give me a

:56:44. > :56:47.break. " I'm trying my best. I'm not denying I was a left winger, but

:56:48. > :56:53.what being a socialist has changed and I have changed with it and he

:56:54. > :56:58.would say he can't get anywhere if you keep dragging things up from the

:56:59. > :57:00.past. The last election was only a year ago and in that general

:57:01. > :57:04.election people voted for David Cameron's Conservatives and what we

:57:05. > :57:08.are now being asked to believe by the Labour Party is that that

:57:09. > :57:11.happened because those people who voted for David Cameron thought the

:57:12. > :57:14.Labour Party wasn't left-wing enough and that if we were left-wing enough

:57:15. > :57:19.they would vote for us instead of the David Cameron, it makes no

:57:20. > :57:30.sense. The hard left of the Labour Party have been using this since the

:57:31. > :57:34.1970s. Do you accept that? Or is there any sense that maybe something

:57:35. > :57:40.is happening? Labour Party is now the biggest party in Western Europe.

:57:41. > :57:45.The polls don't look very good for Jeremy Corbyn at the moment, but

:57:46. > :57:49.they are just starting. Labour lost in 2015 because they also lost, red

:57:50. > :57:57.hands of Lee in Scotland to the SNP, that the first thing. -- they also

:57:58. > :58:01.lost comprehensively. They lost wholesale in Scotland to Nicola

:58:02. > :58:05.Sturgeon. When the interesting point about that interview just now, when

:58:06. > :58:09.he spoke about the bounce in support for the Labour Party under Jeremy

:58:10. > :58:18.Corbyn, his bike about the increase in membership from 14,000 to 25,000

:58:19. > :58:26.-- he spoke. That is a pretty modest number. Compared to Labour in

:58:27. > :58:30.England. Quite. There are two Labour Party 's and two challenges, and the

:58:31. > :58:33.questions that Jeremy Corbyn is addressing not the same questions

:58:34. > :58:39.that Kezia Dugdale is going to have to address, and in that sense his

:58:40. > :58:45.importance, what is significant about him, very subtle in Scotland.

:58:46. > :58:51.He has got to rebuild the party and rebuild their confidence but he will

:58:52. > :58:53.not make a huge impact on till he does that. We have got to leave it

:58:54. > :58:55.there. Join us for First Minister's

:58:56. > :58:58.Questions tomorrow on BBC2