:00:14. > :00:15.Good afternoon and welcome to Politics Scotland.
:00:16. > :00:20.Nicola Sturgeon is meeting leaders in Brussels today to find a way
:00:21. > :00:31.First up was EU Parliament President Martin Schulz.
:00:32. > :00:39.I listen carefully and I learned a lot. Thank you very much. And here
:00:40. > :00:44.at Westminster, the Prime Minister warns MPs that there will be choppy
:00:45. > :00:46.economic waters ahead now that the UK has voted to leave the EU.
:00:47. > :00:48.First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is holding a series of meetings
:00:49. > :00:50.with leading EU officials on her visit to Brussels
:00:51. > :00:54.She'll discuss the situation with the European Commission
:00:55. > :00:57.president Jean-Claude Juncker this evening.
:00:58. > :00:59.Earlier she met EU Parliament president Martin Schulz.
:01:00. > :01:07.Our political correspondent Glenn Campbell is in Brussels.
:01:08. > :01:12.The First Minister has a busy schedule of meetings here in
:01:13. > :01:16.Brussels not least those in the European Parliament where she has
:01:17. > :01:20.been seeing readers from the political groupings in parliament
:01:21. > :01:24.and of course the president Martin Schulz. That follows an emergency
:01:25. > :01:29.session of the European Parliament yesterday by the Scottish MEP Alyn
:01:30. > :01:34.Smith said that Scotland had not let the European Union down by voting
:01:35. > :01:37.remain and urged MEPs not to let Scotland down now. The First
:01:38. > :01:42.Minister certainly getting a hearing here in Brussels and this is what
:01:43. > :01:48.was said after her discussions with President shots. We are at a very
:01:49. > :01:53.early stage of this process. I set out very clearly Scotland's desire
:01:54. > :01:56.to protect our relationship with the European Union. I don't
:01:57. > :02:01.underestimate the challenges that lie ahead for us to find a path and
:02:02. > :02:05.this is very much an initial meeting, a series of meetings in
:02:06. > :02:08.Brussels today is about people understand that Scotland, unlike
:02:09. > :02:12.other parts of the United Kingdom, does not want to leave the European
:02:13. > :02:15.Union. It was very much an introductory meeting and I was very
:02:16. > :02:20.grateful for the president agreeing to see me.
:02:21. > :02:27.I listened and they learned a lot. Thank you. There is a great of
:02:28. > :02:30.sympathy for the Scottish of and's decision as the custodian tries to
:02:31. > :02:36.find ways in which Scotland's winks with the EU can be maintained in the
:02:37. > :02:39.event of Brexit but they are also wary about being drawn into the
:02:40. > :02:46.Scottish independence debate. They regard that as a matter for domestic
:02:47. > :02:49.UK politics. Later, the First Minister will meet face-to-face with
:02:50. > :02:52.the president of the European Commission, John Collier Juncker.
:02:53. > :02:59.She also hope to see the President of the European Doctors Cure 's been
:03:00. > :03:03.sharing the summit but he decided it would not be appropriate to see her
:03:04. > :03:04.at this stage that she is meeting to of the big three figures in European
:03:05. > :03:05.politics. Well, Britain's vote to leave
:03:06. > :03:08.the EU has triggered upheaval in the country's two
:03:09. > :03:09.main political parties. The Conservatives have
:03:10. > :03:11.opened up nominations, in its search for a new leader
:03:12. > :03:14.to replace David Cameron. And Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn,
:03:15. > :03:16.seems certain to face a challenge after insisting he would not resign,
:03:17. > :03:19.despite an overwhelming Let's get a round-up of another
:03:20. > :03:25.big day with our Westminster
:03:26. > :03:38.correspondent David Porter. David, firstly, maybe it doesn't
:03:39. > :03:42.matter what David Cameron says but did you glean anything from what he
:03:43. > :03:47.did have to say today about what might happen next? What we have had
:03:48. > :03:51.is an extraordinary prime ministers questions. The first and minister
:03:52. > :03:55.has had to come back from an EU summit and basically say we are no
:03:56. > :03:58.longer going to be in that club in the foreseeable future. David
:03:59. > :04:02.Cameron then gave a more detailed statement after Prime Minister's
:04:03. > :04:05.Questions in which he gave more details about what would happen. I
:04:06. > :04:07.unit is being set up in the foreseeable future. David Cameron
:04:08. > :04:09.then gave a more detailed statement after Prime Minister's Questions in
:04:10. > :04:12.which he gave more details about what would happen. I unit is being
:04:13. > :04:16.set up an The Cabinet called Oliver Robins. She was previously at the
:04:17. > :04:23.Home Office but he has been so cold it to this to this commission.
:04:24. > :04:27.Someone very close to the Prime Minister will be looking at things
:04:28. > :04:30.initially from a political point of view but you are right to some
:04:31. > :04:33.extent. It does not matter what David Cameron does at the moment
:04:34. > :04:37.because within a couple of months, there will be a new Conservative
:04:38. > :04:42.leader and following on from that, a new Prime Minister and it will be up
:04:43. > :04:47.to the new Prime Minister and his or her team to decide exactly how they
:04:48. > :04:52.do this. One thing David Cameron has been keen to do is to say there is
:04:53. > :04:57.no rush to invoke the so-called article 50 which is essentially in
:04:58. > :05:02.political terms a way of saying, look, let's go ahead with divorce
:05:03. > :05:06.proceedings. Once you invoke that article, the clock starts ticking
:05:07. > :05:09.and there is a two-year deadline to complete the negotiations. I think
:05:10. > :05:13.David Cameron's view has always been, as he is not going to be Prime
:05:14. > :05:17.Minister, it is only right and proper that whoever takes over from
:05:18. > :05:21.him is actually the person who invokes that article and start the
:05:22. > :05:30.clock ticking. I was curious because of all this talk about this unity is
:05:31. > :05:32.setting up to look at all the options and so on. Let's face it,
:05:33. > :05:35.the British are world champions at procrastination and muddling
:05:36. > :05:39.through. I wondered if this might be an emerging strategy that someone
:05:40. > :05:44.like to read may make prosciutto, to keep putting things off and putting
:05:45. > :05:49.things off until the meaning of this whole thing becomes a little bit
:05:50. > :05:53.ambiguous. I think you're right. People are still coming to terms if
:05:54. > :05:59.you like with the sheer enormity of what happens last week. The fact
:06:00. > :06:03.that for over 40 years we have been a part of the EU or its predecessor
:06:04. > :06:08.at the EEC and in future we will not be part of that. People in Whitehall
:06:09. > :06:12.even are still getting their heads around that and then deciding what
:06:13. > :06:16.it will mean in practical terms. There is also a practical side to
:06:17. > :06:20.this that when article 50 is triggered, the UK Government is then
:06:21. > :06:24.going to have to find people within Government or bring them into
:06:25. > :06:29.Government from the civil service and outside who are actually used to
:06:30. > :06:33.taking these types of negotiations. For the past 40 years, everything to
:06:34. > :06:37.do with trade and things like that has been negotiated at an EU level
:06:38. > :06:40.so Britain has not had to do that and I think there is some concern,
:06:41. > :06:46.is there at the moment the expertise in Whitehall to conduct these
:06:47. > :06:51.negotiations? It will not just be one or two treaties, it will be many
:06:52. > :06:55.negotiations on different areas going on at the same time and I
:06:56. > :06:58.think there is a realisation in Whitehall but actually there are
:06:59. > :07:01.going to be an for lots of people who may take part in these
:07:02. > :07:06.negotiations who have never ever done anything like this before. I
:07:07. > :07:10.tried to check what was happening with the Labour Party before we came
:07:11. > :07:15.on air a few minutes ago, but it has probably changed since then. Yes,
:07:16. > :07:19.you're right. This is not a situation which is changing our by
:07:20. > :07:25.our butts minutes by minutes. I am in portcullis house which is where
:07:26. > :07:28.many MPs have their offices. It is the unofficial crossroads of
:07:29. > :07:31.Parliament is these days where people come and meet and as soon as
:07:32. > :07:34.a figure is walking through people are asking what they believed the
:07:35. > :07:42.latest on the Labour leadership is. Terms like chaos and crews and other
:07:43. > :07:46.things do not tell you that half of it. We have an extraordinary
:07:47. > :07:51.situation at the moment were the Labour MPs are openly at war with
:07:52. > :07:55.their reader. 75% of Labour MPs voted in a secret ballot for a
:07:56. > :08:00.motion of no-confidence in Jeremy Corbyn. He says that does not
:08:01. > :08:03.matter. He is going to stay because he has the support of Labour Party
:08:04. > :08:08.members in the Hall of the country and he says that he wants to tough
:08:09. > :08:13.it out but only to date, we have had Ed Miliband, Gordon Brown, Harriet
:08:14. > :08:18.Harman, Margaret Beckett, all people at some point to have led the Labour
:08:19. > :08:22.Party saying that his position is now untenable. It is very difficult
:08:23. > :08:25.to see how he can get through this and particularly how he can get
:08:26. > :08:31.through this without some kind of leadership challenge. And of course,
:08:32. > :08:36.not to be outdone in the Department of ferret and Saxton, the Tories are
:08:37. > :08:40.about to start a leadership contest as well. Yes, it's a bit like buses.
:08:41. > :08:45.You wait frame leadership challenge to come along and then two come
:08:46. > :08:50.along at once. Nominations for the Tory readership will open a little
:08:51. > :08:54.later on this afternoon and will close at midday tomorrow. We know
:08:55. > :08:59.already that Stephen Crabb has put his name forward and he is being
:09:00. > :09:04.supported by savage avid. We also know that it is taken as read that
:09:05. > :09:09.Boris Johnson is going to run as indeed is Theresa May, the Home
:09:10. > :09:13.Secretary. We have a good idea of three of those. We do not know how
:09:14. > :09:18.large the field will be. There will be a series of votes and then it
:09:19. > :09:25.will be up to MPs to whittle that down to two. Goes to war then go in
:09:26. > :09:30.a run-off and it will be one of them who will be the next Conservative
:09:31. > :09:34.leader and the next Prime Minister, decided by the Tory party membership
:09:35. > :09:39.as a whole. That process will conclude by September the 9th when
:09:40. > :09:43.we will have a new Tory leader and a new Prime Minister. Quite who the
:09:44. > :09:46.Labour leader will be at that time, I haven't a clue! Don't go away.
:09:47. > :09:48.We'll come back to you later on. The Daily Record's political editor,
:09:49. > :10:00.David Clegg is with me today. Is there anyone who could say to
:10:01. > :10:06.Jeremy Corbyn, Jeremy, you need to go and he would take that series
:10:07. > :10:10.the? Maybe John McDonnell I suppose. His closest ally. It is clear that
:10:11. > :10:14.he is not listening to pretty much anyone at the moment when you have
:10:15. > :10:19.Ed Miliband, Gordon Brown and even David Cameron suggesting that it is
:10:20. > :10:24.time to go. The fact that he is holding off. Mac but Easter has a
:10:25. > :10:29.trump card. If you have another leadership contest, he will win. All
:10:30. > :10:35.those people who join the Labour Party, I know the MPs say that they
:10:36. > :10:40.are out of touch with the people they represent but the point is that
:10:41. > :10:44.they get to vote on who the next leader is. I think if he is on the
:10:45. > :10:47.ballot paper, it is likely that he would win given that there does not
:10:48. > :10:54.seem to have been much of a shift from that hard left group who joins
:10:55. > :10:59.specifically to make Jeremy Corbyn reader. The ?3 members as they are
:11:00. > :11:03.known. However, if they can somehow keep him off the ballot paper, that
:11:04. > :11:06.is perhaps what they are aiming for as an endgame is here because it
:11:07. > :11:11.seems the only way they are going to get a different leader is to...
:11:12. > :11:16.Would they really care if these other members shifted off? The MPs
:11:17. > :11:18.that I have talked to have absolute contempt for the people who voted
:11:19. > :11:22.for Jeremy Corbyn. They do not want to be in the same party as them. I
:11:23. > :11:28.honestly think they are in the way where if Corbyn continues, there
:11:29. > :11:32.will be a Parliamentary reader party and then a membership leader party
:11:33. > :11:34.that are effectively two distinct groups at the minutes. We will
:11:35. > :11:39.return to that later. The The political system may
:11:40. > :11:41.be in turmoil but it's business almost as usual
:11:42. > :11:43.in the Scottish Parliament today. Finance Secretary Derek Mackay
:11:44. > :11:45.is about to update MSPs on the budget and what's been spent
:11:46. > :11:49.so far - which we understand is, But nothing happens in a vacuum
:11:50. > :11:53.so it's likely there'll be Well, let's see as we cross
:11:54. > :12:02.to the chamber live. although there may be no emergency
:12:03. > :12:06.budget, there will inevitably be budget adjustments by the new UK
:12:07. > :12:10.Government. The scale of these adjustments we do not know. Residing
:12:11. > :12:17.officer, I will now turn to provisional outturn for 2015-16.
:12:18. > :12:22.Financial year 2015-16 represented the final year of the 2010 spending
:12:23. > :12:27.review settlement which saw the Scottish Government's discretionary
:12:28. > :12:32.budget fall by almost ten... Within that, it fell by almost a quarter.
:12:33. > :12:36.It also represented the first year that the Scottish parliament became
:12:37. > :12:39.responsible for landfill tax and the land and building transaction tax
:12:40. > :12:43.and being the first finance minister in Scotland for over 300 years to
:12:44. > :12:49.set national taxes, my predecessor adopted a fair and progressive
:12:50. > :12:53.approach to rates and bands. That principled approach to taxation is
:12:54. > :12:57.one I plan to replicate over the course of this Parliament. Under the
:12:58. > :13:04.current devilish and settlement, the Scottish parliament is not allowed
:13:05. > :13:06.to overspend its current budget. As a consequence, we have control
:13:07. > :13:10.public spending sure to ensure we live within the budget caps that are
:13:11. > :13:14.applied but remain able to carry forward some spending power
:13:15. > :13:18.resources for our future year. That's prudent strategy has proven
:13:19. > :13:27.to be the right one, particularly in light of last Friday's events.
:13:28. > :13:35.In 2015 and 2016 the Scottish Government has shown a fine grip on
:13:36. > :13:39.its finances. The resources for which this parliament has
:13:40. > :13:47.discretion, the provisional outturn for 2015 and 2016 is expenditure of
:13:48. > :13:53.29,000 160 million against the limit of a much greater amine. This means
:13:54. > :13:57.there is a festival cash underspent of ?65 million. ?40 million in
:13:58. > :14:01.capital spending, that represents just 0.4% of the total fiscal
:14:02. > :14:09.budget. Although the sums are carried forward into 2016 and 2017.
:14:10. > :14:13.There is also provisional outturn underspent ?40 million in respect of
:14:14. > :14:17.financial transactions, that are set by HM Treasury and ring fenced for
:14:18. > :14:23.loans and equity investment outside the public sector. Again this is
:14:24. > :14:26.carried forward into 2016 and 2017. Overall, including financial
:14:27. > :14:32.transactions, this means that we will carry forward the .5% of the
:14:33. > :14:37.total 2015 and 2016 cash budget. The sums are carried forward using the
:14:38. > :14:40.Treasury budget exchange facility agreed under the last pending
:14:41. > :14:44.review. This will ensure there is no loss of spending power to the
:14:45. > :14:47.Scottish Parliament. Given the considerable uncertainty that has
:14:48. > :14:53.now been created as a result of the EU referendum vote, I do not intend
:14:54. > :14:55.to rush into immediate decisions on the deployment of such resources.
:14:56. > :15:01.Instead I will consider their deployment when is as appropriate to
:15:02. > :15:04.do so, taking account of the prevailing economic conditions and
:15:05. > :15:10.in full consideration of need and spending pressures. Turning to the
:15:11. > :15:12.non-discretionary elements of our budget, the non-cash provision which
:15:13. > :15:20.I would remind Parliament once again cannot be used for purchase goods
:15:21. > :15:24.and deliverable services, expenditure is lower than ?130
:15:25. > :15:27.million, consistent with previous years and as the descriptive digest,
:15:28. > :15:33.such resources are not cash in nature but rather provide specific
:15:34. > :15:37.budget cover for differences between estimated accounting adjustments and
:15:38. > :15:40.the final amounts calculated. Over ?80 million of the total relates to
:15:41. > :15:46.a lower than expected write-down of the carrying value into the student
:15:47. > :15:48.loan book. This is an accounting of judgment and has no cash
:15:49. > :15:53.consequences. Other uses for this budget include the deep Jason and
:15:54. > :15:58.attainment of assets, all of which have no cars consequence. Under
:15:59. > :16:03.devolved powers from the 23rd of Scotland Act and as I have already
:16:04. > :16:07.indicated, 2015 and 2016 was the first year in which devolved taxes
:16:08. > :16:13.and respect of land and building transactions tax have been managed
:16:14. > :16:19.in Scotland. A total of ?572 million has been collected, some ?74 million
:16:20. > :16:22.above the initial estimates. Again, recognising the uncertainty that has
:16:23. > :16:26.been created in the economy, I have also decided to take a prudent view
:16:27. > :16:31.of the deployment of these resources. I am mindful, in
:16:32. > :16:33.particular, of the impact of the EU referendum decision on property
:16:34. > :16:38.transactions and the need to manage potential volatility in future tax
:16:39. > :16:45.revenues. The addition of taxes will therefore be placed in a Scottish
:16:46. > :16:48.cash reserve and youth facility created by the 2012 act which allows
:16:49. > :16:49.excess tax receipts are both forecast to be held for greater
:16:50. > :16:59.deployment. The Finance Secretary Derek
:17:00. > :17:01.Mackay speaking there. We'll be back to hear more business
:17:02. > :17:04.in the Chamber a little later. Now yesterday the First Minister
:17:05. > :17:07.received the backing of a majority of MSPs to explore every option
:17:08. > :17:09.to retain Scotland's relationship Labour, the Greens and the Liberal
:17:10. > :17:13.Democrats all supported the motion but the Conservatives abstained
:17:14. > :17:15.along with one pro-Leave Labour MSP, citing concerns about another
:17:16. > :17:17.Scottish independence referendum. But the First Minister assured MSPs
:17:18. > :17:29.the motion they were voting on The Prime Minister gave me a
:17:30. > :17:32.commitment on Friday morning to the full engagement of the Scottish
:17:33. > :17:38.Government and to ensure that the interests of all parts of the UK are
:17:39. > :17:40.protected and advanced. I seek the authority of Parliament today to
:17:41. > :17:43.hold the Prime Minister and his successor to that commitment. I will
:17:44. > :17:47.make an initial visit to Brussels to set up the position of Scotland and
:17:48. > :17:50.its interest representatives of the major groups in the European
:17:51. > :17:54.Parliament anti-depressant of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz
:17:55. > :17:56.is. I would expect to give from the Prime Minister on the outcome of the
:17:57. > :18:01.European Council meeting taking place this week and following that I
:18:02. > :18:04.intend to set up the position of Scotland directly to the European
:18:05. > :18:10.Commission. We have got a great deal of what to do both in government and
:18:11. > :18:14.indeed as a Parliament to set out and evaluate all the impacts of the
:18:15. > :18:17.referendum result and the options open to open to Scotland to secure
:18:18. > :18:22.our relationship with the European Union. For that reason I am
:18:23. > :18:27.establishing a standing Council of experts to provide advice to me and
:18:28. > :18:30.to meet government on how best to achieve our EU objectives. I want to
:18:31. > :18:34.be clear to Parliament that while I believe independence is the best
:18:35. > :18:38.option for Scotland, I do not think that will come as a surprise to
:18:39. > :18:44.anyone. It is not my starting point in these discussions. My starting
:18:45. > :18:48.point is to protect Scotland's interests and to protect our
:18:49. > :18:54.relationship with you. To ensure that the option of holding a
:18:55. > :18:59.referendum within the timetable of the UK weaving the EU is viable, we
:19:00. > :19:02.will now prepare the legislation. The Scottish Government wants to
:19:03. > :19:06.explore Scotland's options from within the UK, we can support on
:19:07. > :19:09.that. But after the speech we have concerns of the approach of the
:19:10. > :19:13.Scottish Government in the day since the result. I cannot ignore the fact
:19:14. > :19:16.that within hours of the vote becoming clear on Friday morning,
:19:17. > :19:20.the Scottish Government had posed questions regarding independence
:19:21. > :19:24.from an centre. The First Minister speaks of able in Scotland worried
:19:25. > :19:28.and outraged by the result of the EU vote. But I feel duty bound to speak
:19:29. > :19:31.up for the many people of Scotland to have contacted myself and my
:19:32. > :19:36.colleagues to say that they are concerned, deeply worried about the
:19:37. > :19:39.prospect of another referendum on independence. That is why we have
:19:40. > :19:43.included our opposition to this prospect in our amendments today. We
:19:44. > :19:47.do not dampen the shock waves caused by one referendum by lighting the
:19:48. > :19:50.fuse for another, nor by saying that the economic impact of leaving one
:19:51. > :19:54.union means that you should sever ties with the greater union, whose
:19:55. > :20:00.new you include eclipses the former many times over. We did not vote in
:20:01. > :20:05.communities, constituencies, towns and nations, we voted as one
:20:06. > :20:10.country, the UK. A country that we as Scots reaffirmed our commitment
:20:11. > :20:15.to just 18 months ago. Millions of Scots want to be part of both unions
:20:16. > :20:21.and that is why it is so important that we give the First Minister our
:20:22. > :20:23.support to do everything she can to secure a Scotland's place in the
:20:24. > :20:29.European Union. But that figure would be betrayed if at any point
:20:30. > :20:33.the First Minister tries to present our support for this motion as
:20:34. > :20:38.support for a second independent referendum.
:20:39. > :20:41.We will certainly be supporting the motion of the government tonight and
:20:42. > :20:44.I would like to make it clear that we will continue to advocate for the
:20:45. > :20:48.clear mandate that has been given by the people of Scotland, has
:20:49. > :20:51.advocated also by many of our European colleagues any number of
:20:52. > :20:54.different political parties, and other like to thank those in the
:20:55. > :20:57.European Greens today who have helped us to soften the language
:20:58. > :21:01.around an immediate triggering of Article 50 which would give no time
:21:02. > :21:04.to be serious consideration that is misery or for the contribution that
:21:05. > :21:10.the Scottish Government is expected to make on all of our behalf is any
:21:11. > :21:15.negotiation process. That process must be allowed time. I am angry
:21:16. > :21:20.that we have been recklessly let down this path. Angry that prices in
:21:21. > :21:26.shops will rise because of the higher costs of imports. That
:21:27. > :21:31.people's savings are falling in value. That job losses are on the
:21:32. > :21:37.cards. Yet it is not Boris Johnson who will suffer, Michael Gove might
:21:38. > :21:45.lose some money, but he has stacks more to get them by. Nigel Farage,
:21:46. > :21:49.he simply does not care. It is ordinary people on low and modest
:21:50. > :21:53.incomes that will lose out. These are the victims of this crisis and I
:21:54. > :21:59.hope David Cameron is feeling guilty. He should feel guilty for
:22:00. > :22:06.imposing the divisions of his party on the country. And that
:22:07. > :22:07.responsibility applies to every single Conservative in this
:22:08. > :22:10.Parliament, including Ruth Davidson. That was the leader
:22:11. > :22:12.of the Liberal Democrats, Let's cross to the parliament's
:22:13. > :22:16.Garden Lobby now where our political correspondent Andrew Kerr is joined
:22:17. > :22:26.by a group of MSPs. Andrew. Gordon, good afternoon. Of
:22:27. > :22:31.course, Europe dominating discussions at Holyrood. It is the
:22:32. > :22:34.hot topic and Michael D Higgins, the President of Ireland has been
:22:35. > :22:38.addressing MSPs at a special meeting of the parliament and he said that
:22:39. > :22:44.we must do democracy better, speaking of the language of respect
:22:45. > :22:48.and all of these debates. I am joined by five MSPs. Richard
:22:49. > :22:52.Lochhead from the SNP, Miles Briggs from the Tories, Lewis Macdonald
:22:53. > :22:57.from Labour, have a squad from the book ends and Ross Greer from the
:22:58. > :23:00.Green Party. Richard Lochhead, the top story today, Nicola Sturgeon in
:23:01. > :23:06.Brussels at the moment, what news from the First Minister? I think she
:23:07. > :23:09.is getting a very good reception in Brussels, meeting European leaders,
:23:10. > :23:12.probably a better reception than Nigel Farage got yesterday when he
:23:13. > :23:16.was being rather rude and arrogant in terms of how he was speaking to
:23:17. > :23:19.our European neighbours. She is there with a mandate from the
:23:20. > :23:23.Scottish Parliament after yesterday's momentous votes where
:23:24. > :23:27.most of the parties, apart from the Conservative Party, all the other
:23:28. > :23:30.parties got together to give a mandate to the First Minister to try
:23:31. > :23:34.to give Scotland in Europe because that is what the people voted for
:23:35. > :23:37.last week. You have that mandate but realistically, what can the First
:23:38. > :23:41.Minister actually achieve? Jean-Claude Juncker said today that
:23:42. > :23:47.the voice of Scotland would be heard in Europe but it might be heard but
:23:48. > :23:52.not acted upon? It is early days, the referendum was only last week
:23:53. > :23:55.and it is quite clearly, there is a well expressed by the people
:23:56. > :24:01.assortment that they have to stay in Europe, that was what they voted
:24:02. > :24:06.for. -- the people of Scotland. All other parties or linked together.
:24:07. > :24:09.The mandate is to explore all the options to see how they can stay in
:24:10. > :24:13.Europe because of its importance to our economy and society, how we view
:24:14. > :24:19.ourselves as a country and I think that is what the people of Scotland
:24:20. > :24:22.to see. Miles Briggs of the Conservative Party, you voted Remain
:24:23. > :24:27.but everyone in the Chamber was talking about how the Conservatives
:24:28. > :24:31.have recklessly damage the economy, merely to sort out some internal and
:24:32. > :24:34.party fighting. What was key and what the real focus in the debate
:24:35. > :24:38.yesterday achieved was to say that we really need to now get down to
:24:39. > :24:42.the hard work of sorting this out for the people and for our economy
:24:43. > :24:47.and for outward United Kingdom and that is really where the parliament,
:24:48. > :24:52.I felt, started to come together. It is really Kiwi that the Scottish
:24:53. > :24:54.Government get involved and the UK Government -- this treaty that the
:24:55. > :24:59.Scottish Government gets involved with the UK was Matt negotiations on
:25:00. > :25:03.this. We are trying to move forward now to get the best negotiations
:25:04. > :25:06.that will help support jobs and growth in the future. You are
:25:07. > :25:09.talking about the Scottish Government getting involved but your
:25:10. > :25:13.party failed to give the mandate that these other parties give to the
:25:14. > :25:17.First Minister. We did that because it will not help to have to parallel
:25:18. > :25:21.discussions and two parallel negotiations taking place. Scottish
:25:22. > :25:25.businesses need the UK Government to achieve the best result possible and
:25:26. > :25:27.that is where Nicola Sturgeon has an open invitation from the Prime
:25:28. > :25:30.Minister and the government to get deeply involved in those
:25:31. > :25:33.discussions. I met with the whiskey industry this morning to discuss
:25:34. > :25:37.some of the key aspects they want to pursue and it is. That is vital and
:25:38. > :25:39.as Conservatives in this. That is vital and as Conservatives and this
:25:40. > :25:45.Parliament and as the UK Parliament, we have to get down to work to
:25:46. > :25:47.achieve the best. But according to your colleagues every be best for
:25:48. > :25:54.colleagues to stay in the European Union. But the suggestion is that
:25:55. > :25:58.the Brexit will go ahead. The decision has been taking that the UK
:25:59. > :26:02.level and the European Parliament has said that it will be a UK exit.
:26:03. > :26:08.How we then look at our relationship with the rest of Europe including
:26:09. > :26:13.other countries around Europe, which are not part of the EU but are part
:26:14. > :26:16.of the EEA is absolutely critical. Our friends in the North Sea like
:26:17. > :26:18.Norway, they have a strongly of trading and the movement of people
:26:19. > :26:24.across Europe, we have to work with them. Lewis Macdonald, wherever you
:26:25. > :26:32.are in this debate, Jeremy Corbyn was posted missing in the fight to
:26:33. > :26:36.keep Britain in the EU. We made the case strongly yesterday that we had
:26:37. > :26:39.to work together in the Scottish Parliament to address the damage
:26:40. > :26:43.that has been done by irresponsible people. David Cameron will be
:26:44. > :26:47.remembered in history as the most reckless Prime Minister in 60 years
:26:48. > :26:51.and that is the impact seen on Audrey people across Scotland and
:26:52. > :26:54.Britain. The job of the Labour Party and other parties is to see what we
:26:55. > :26:58.can rescue from the wreckage and to see what we can do in order to
:26:59. > :27:02.protect Scotland's continuing place in the single market and Europe, but
:27:03. > :27:07.also Britain, because there are many other people across Britain who
:27:08. > :27:09.value our relationship with the EU. That has been at the very least
:27:10. > :27:12.seriously damaged by the responsibility of the Tories.
:27:13. > :27:18.Whatever action can be taken, we have to pursue it. Miles Briggs said
:27:19. > :27:21.there is no need for parallel tracks, that is not so, we have to
:27:22. > :27:25.do that to begin the benefits that we have lost. There is talk of the
:27:26. > :27:31.wreckage of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. There is some dubiety
:27:32. > :27:37.after questioning whether he voted Leave or remain. I think that is a
:27:38. > :27:41.silly points to make. Jeremy Corbyn was in Aberdeen only two beats soppy
:27:42. > :27:45.bits ago making the case for Remain telling us that for the oil and gas
:27:46. > :27:50.areas it was vital to remain in the EU. Should he go? You must have to
:27:51. > :27:56.consider what he has served from his colleagues. Should he go? He met his
:27:57. > :28:00.colleagues working with them. What he needs to think about and we all
:28:01. > :28:04.need to think about is the prospect of a general election coming very
:28:05. > :28:08.soon. That prospect is real and that prospect offers some hope for those
:28:09. > :28:09.of us who rejected the Conservatives. So he should go? He
:28:10. > :28:21.has to make his own decision. And in saying that they want to go
:28:22. > :28:25.back into the European Union but the people have spoken and said they did
:28:26. > :28:29.not want that. Gray I don't think we will be the only political party
:28:30. > :28:33.when that happens who will make the case to be back in the European
:28:34. > :28:36.Union and it be a chance for the British public, the Scottish public
:28:37. > :28:42.to cast a vote on that. It will be the only issue on that issue. I
:28:43. > :28:46.think the country desperately needs a general election. We don't have a
:28:47. > :28:49.Prime Minister. A Prime Minister who has been kicked out of Brussels last
:28:50. > :28:53.night on the last plane back to London. The Labour Party are not led
:28:54. > :28:57.at all. It is not a shambles and Westminster. The country needs an
:28:58. > :29:01.election and a new Government. What would happen to British democracy if
:29:02. > :29:05.that result was overturned and we went in the European Union? A
:29:06. > :29:11.general election is opportunity for every political party to set out its
:29:12. > :29:14.stall on Europe which is the issue as you rightly said on your
:29:15. > :29:17.introduction. It has dominated all because patients. You wouldn't know
:29:18. > :29:21.about anything outside and this will dominate for the next two-year is.
:29:22. > :29:25.We need to lie and the spoil and do it quickly and that should happen
:29:26. > :29:29.through a general collection. Patrick Harvie was very clear
:29:30. > :29:32.yesterday that everything had changed, the result of the
:29:33. > :29:37.independence referendum in 2014 did not stand. Would you support the SNP
:29:38. > :29:41.are going for another Scottish independence referendum? We need to
:29:42. > :29:43.exhaust all the options available to us to keep Scotland in Europe
:29:44. > :29:48.because as has already been mentioned that is what the voted
:29:49. > :29:53.for. Independence is visit one of those options. We would have
:29:54. > :29:57.supported that whether Scotland voted to remain or leave the EU but
:29:58. > :30:01.there are options other than independence that need to be
:30:02. > :30:04.explored. That is why we gave the First Minister the mandate to go to
:30:05. > :30:09.Brussels and explore those options. Do you think those options are
:30:10. > :30:12.possible? Ultimately, and another independence referendum is where
:30:13. > :30:16.this road leads? I personally think that we are heading towards another
:30:17. > :30:18.independence referendum but I thought we were heading towards
:30:19. > :30:22.another independence referendum whether we voted to leave or remain
:30:23. > :30:26.in the European Union. This may have spread that process up but the only
:30:27. > :30:30.responsible thing for us to do is what we bolted to do a cross-party
:30:31. > :30:36.yesterday which is to exhaust every option short of independence. This
:30:37. > :30:40.is an unprecedented situation. We do not know what is and is not possible
:30:41. > :30:44.so we are looking at absolutely everything. Given the noise were
:30:45. > :30:49.hearing from Europe today, the Spanish premier saying that it looks
:30:50. > :30:52.like Scotland cannot stay in the EU if the UK leaves, it is not sounding
:30:53. > :30:56.good perhaps for those other options. I can't wait to hear the
:30:57. > :30:59.feedback the Spanish fishing industry gives to their primaries to
:31:00. > :31:05.but aside from anything else, he just failed to win his own general
:31:06. > :31:10.election. We don't know if he will still be Prime Minister when we get
:31:11. > :31:15.down to these debates. The leaders of many areas of Europe are making
:31:16. > :31:20.very positive noises they Scotland to stay. Let's finish with the SNP
:31:21. > :31:24.about another independence referendum. How likely is it do you
:31:25. > :31:29.think, Richard, that we will go to the polls again for an independence
:31:30. > :31:31.referendum? Clearly what we need is Scotland to stand together and keep
:31:32. > :31:35.Scotland in Europe because that was the Democratic view of the people.
:31:36. > :31:37.We must explore all the options because it is unprecedented
:31:38. > :31:44.territory. If the only option is independence because the only other
:31:45. > :31:46.option is remaining out of Europe perhaps under the leadership of
:31:47. > :31:51.Boris Johnson who we did not vote for them it is a very clear option
:31:52. > :31:54.for Scotland's future to have another independence referendum but
:31:55. > :31:56.we have to explore all the options in the meantime. With that is,
:31:57. > :31:58.Gordon, back to you in the studio. Now let's cross back
:31:59. > :31:59.to the Chamber, where MSPs are responding to the ministerial
:32:00. > :32:05.statement on spending. Actually, it is still Derek Mackay
:32:06. > :32:14.speaking. We are actively looking at this as
:32:15. > :32:17.long as a whole host of other funding streams that deliver
:32:18. > :32:21.services and Scotland of course, many of them relate to EU funds as
:32:22. > :32:29.well so we will have to consider all these matters around. Ivan Micki
:32:30. > :32:33.followed by Willie Rennie. What measures will be taken to support
:32:34. > :32:40.economic growth and help Scotland's weather the economic shop is caused
:32:41. > :32:48.by Brexit. The Government has outlined our economic strategy which
:32:49. > :32:51.did include a focus on internationalisation and innovation
:32:52. > :32:55.and infrastructure led recovery as well and clearly they will all be
:32:56. > :32:59.impacted by the outcome of the decision. It will still focus on
:33:00. > :33:04.delivering the manifesto into which we were elected. We have made some
:33:05. > :33:08.will announcements on the review of the enterprise agencies. We will
:33:09. > :33:11.continue enabling infrastructure investment and that includes digital
:33:12. > :33:17.as well. We have had a competitive rate scheme and we have delivered on
:33:18. > :33:22.modern apprenticeships so we will look at how we can support the
:33:23. > :33:29.economy, deliver stability and take advantage of any opportunity that
:33:30. > :33:36.may exist in these uncertain times. Can I thank the cabinets bigotry
:33:37. > :33:40.thrown about copy of his statement. Can he provides information as to
:33:41. > :33:44.why the transaction arrangements, the budget has been overspend more
:33:45. > :33:49.this year than in previous years? He is also rightly warning about the
:33:50. > :33:53.potential cuts as a result of Brexit so therefore, will he the
:33:54. > :33:58.Government's use of income tax powers? You talked about using all
:33:59. > :34:00.necessary means to deal with the troubles ahead so would you consider
:34:01. > :34:07.a more expansive views of the income tax powers? On financial
:34:08. > :34:14.transactions, some of that might be to do with the uptake of particular
:34:15. > :34:20.schemes and the complexity of that. Again, I am happy to provide further
:34:21. > :34:29.information. We will have to take a strategic approach to the budget
:34:30. > :34:33.process in itself. What I announced and in gauge with the Finance
:34:34. > :34:39.committee on this morning was my view that we should take first a one
:34:40. > :34:44.year budget in Parliament. I think a three-year spending review would not
:34:45. > :34:48.be wise in the circumstances. But when I approach that budget process,
:34:49. > :34:52.I will engage with all political parties and of course, here what
:34:53. > :34:58.each party has to say in terms of spending choices and tax choices as
:34:59. > :35:02.well. We did outline our position on tax at the Scottish Parliament
:35:03. > :35:07.election. We were elected on that mandate. But I think with the degree
:35:08. > :35:12.of uncertainty that now exists, of course, we will have to look at the
:35:13. > :35:17.financial pressures that we face with the decisions of a Chancellor,
:35:18. > :35:22.whoever that may be. I spoke to the Chancellor this morning so it may be
:35:23. > :35:26.George Osborne or his successor, but we will have to to look at the
:35:27. > :35:30.Autumn Statement to see what the UK Government does in terms of their
:35:31. > :35:34.spending decisions as well and our taxes visions and the impact on
:35:35. > :35:38.Scotland. We aim to see through the manifesto under which we were
:35:39. > :35:44.elected but I'm happy to engage with all parties to secure the passage of
:35:45. > :35:50.the budget through Parliament. Thank you. Thank you to the Cabinet
:35:51. > :35:54.Secretary for the advance copy of his statement. The Cabinet Secretary
:35:55. > :35:57.mentioned the competence of the Government in managing public
:35:58. > :36:03.finances, however the significant cost overruns experienced in recent
:36:04. > :36:07.IT and other projects overseen by the Government and Government
:36:08. > :36:12.agencies including the system for EU farm payments, NHS 24, police
:36:13. > :36:17.Scotland and in other areas, can he please confirm the total amount of
:36:18. > :36:21.additional expenditure spent by the Government and Government agencies
:36:22. > :36:29.as a result of these cost overruns? Well, I don't have such a figure to
:36:30. > :36:35.hand but of course, we take very seriously our duty to look after the
:36:36. > :36:40.public finances, deliver good, solid public services and deliver sound
:36:41. > :36:43.procurements. I am happy to discuss further some of the challenges that
:36:44. > :36:46.we have had around some of those schemes that were we have had
:36:47. > :36:50.challengers, we have tried to recover the position to deliver the
:36:51. > :36:54.best we can for Scotland and fundamentally deliver for our people
:36:55. > :36:59.in some of the areas that have been identified and all I dint of bright
:37:00. > :37:01.areas, we have worked very hard to recover our position.
:37:02. > :37:10.All this gallivanting around Europe, obviously, the other political
:37:11. > :37:14.parties apart from the Tories seem to believe it is a good idea for
:37:15. > :37:18.Nicola Sturgeon to go and find out what the options are, but can you
:37:19. > :37:24.say there are very many options? No, I do think there is any feasible
:37:25. > :37:28.option. Well, too, one is that Scotland does whatever the rest of
:37:29. > :37:31.the UK does to see this referendum food or Scotland becomes
:37:32. > :37:37.independent. Those appear to me to be the only two possible outcomes
:37:38. > :37:43.here. I see how could be in a halfway house. Where remains part of
:37:44. > :37:47.the United Kingdom. It is a reverse agreement effect is what they are
:37:48. > :37:51.calling it. The difference between Greenland and Scotland are so vast
:37:52. > :37:57.it but I don't think it is a useful comparison. I cannot see how...
:37:58. > :38:02.Especially a hat when immigration and trade are the two main points
:38:03. > :38:04.here, how could you have different immigration and trade policy is
:38:05. > :38:09.working in Scotland and England were now part of the same state? It does
:38:10. > :38:11.not in feasible. While Nicola Sturgeon is right and the other
:38:12. > :38:20.parties that are backing her right to do so to examine the options, I
:38:21. > :38:22.spoke to one of Nicola Sturgeon's close advisers yesterday and asked
:38:23. > :38:29.her what these other options worth and he shrugged his shoulders and
:38:30. > :38:33.said he did not know. I don't think there's any... And all of these
:38:34. > :38:39.meetings in Europe, obviously these people like Michael Shilts and --
:38:40. > :38:46.Martin Schulz and Jean-Claude Juncker and they're being very
:38:47. > :38:48.polite Nicola Sturgeon, the elected leader of Scotland, but use what
:38:49. > :38:52.Martin Schulz said. He said he had an interesting time listening to
:38:53. > :38:55.that and learned a lot. At the end of the day, it will not be Mr
:38:56. > :39:00.Schulz, with all due respect, who makes any of the decisions. Nor are
:39:01. > :39:05.actually Mr Juncker. It will come down to what the leaders of other EU
:39:06. > :39:08.countries feel they can get away with themselves and we have seen
:39:09. > :39:16.some comments from Spain and I believe in the recent days from
:39:17. > :39:19.France as well saying we cannot negotiate individually with Scotland
:39:20. > :39:23.in ruling that out. I think basically, as we move forward in
:39:24. > :39:27.what will be very turbulent times, the decision will come down to what
:39:28. > :39:31.kind of deal the UK negotiated with Europe in the aftermath of the
:39:32. > :39:38.Brexit wrote and does Scotland prefer independence as an in
:39:39. > :39:41.alternative. The line that Martin McGuinness has been pressuring in
:39:42. > :39:47.Northern Ireland is almost identical, isn't it? He was asked
:39:48. > :39:50.the other day about his border idea but he said the main thing at the
:39:51. > :39:53.moment is knowing what the options are for Northern Ireland to keep its
:39:54. > :39:58.ties with Europe while remaining part of the United Kingdom. Almost
:39:59. > :40:02.the same language as Nicola Sturgeon. I think he is almost
:40:03. > :40:07.presenting the same strategy. It is actually a more pressing concern in
:40:08. > :40:12.Northern Ireland because there is a land border with the EU at the
:40:13. > :40:16.minute or the Republic of Ireland is there and that has been quite an
:40:17. > :40:22.essential part of the peace process that the EU as a kind of bigger
:40:23. > :40:27.functioning political entity has been able to help especially
:40:28. > :40:30.nationalists in Northern Ireland feel comfortable with being part of
:40:31. > :40:34.the United Kingdom because they are all within the EU and there are
:40:35. > :40:37.different processes that work between the Republic of Ireland and
:40:38. > :40:42.the United Kingdom. Who are you putting money on to be the next
:40:43. > :40:46.Prime Minister? I think as much as I dread to say it, I think Boris
:40:47. > :40:54.Johnson is the most likely option. I think Theresa May could maybe mount
:40:55. > :40:58.a bid. Stephen Crabb who was come out of the blocks today could work
:40:59. > :41:02.as a unity candidate. He is a fresh face and does not have any blood on
:41:03. > :41:07.him from the referendum battle. The trouble for anyone but Boris is this
:41:08. > :41:11.second stage win the members get to choose between two. If Boris is one
:41:12. > :41:16.of them, can you see anyone else beating him? I think it would be
:41:17. > :41:20.very difficult. But listen, anyone who predicts what will happen in
:41:21. > :41:25.British politics at the moment... In the next few months!
:41:26. > :41:28.Now to Prime Minister's Questions, the first since the UK voted
:41:29. > :41:31.As was expected, the issue dominated the session.
:41:32. > :41:33.But what was unexpected, was David Cameron's call
:41:34. > :41:41.He told the Labour leader that it was in the national interest
:41:42. > :41:47.Government figures released yesterday show the number of
:41:48. > :41:53.children living in poverty has jumped by 200,001 year. This is now
:41:54. > :41:57.what a disgraceful total of 3.5 million children in this country
:41:58. > :42:01.living in poverty. Does he now think that he should at the very least
:42:02. > :42:04.apologise to them and their parents that have been failed by his
:42:05. > :42:11.Government and do something about it so that we reduce the levels of
:42:12. > :42:17.child poverty in this country? If he wants to deal with the figures, let
:42:18. > :42:20.me give them to him. Income inequality has gone down, average
:42:21. > :42:25.incomes have grown at their fastest rate since 2001. He asks about
:42:26. > :42:30.poverty, there are 300,000 fewer people in relative poverty is and is
:42:31. > :42:34.2010. Half a million fewer people in absolute poverty since 2010. If he
:42:35. > :42:39.is looking for excuses about why the side he and I were on about the
:42:40. > :42:43.referendum, frankly he should look somewhere out and I have to say to
:42:44. > :42:47.the honourable gentleman, he talks about job insecurity and my two
:42:48. > :42:52.months ago. It might be in my party's him to sit there. It is not
:42:53. > :43:02.in the national interest and I would say, for heaven's sake, man, go!
:43:03. > :43:06.Yesterday, the Scottish Parliament passed a motion across the
:43:07. > :43:10.Parliament including the Labour Party, the Scottish Liberal
:43:11. > :43:14.Democrats and the Greens who all mandated the Scottish Government to
:43:15. > :43:17.have discussions with the UK Government, other devolved
:43:18. > :43:22.administrations, the EU institutions and member states to explore options
:43:23. > :43:26.for protecting Scotland's relationship with the, Scotland's
:43:27. > :43:30.place in the single market and the social, employment and economic
:43:31. > :43:34.benefits that come from that. Every party in the Scottish Government
:43:35. > :43:39.will defer that execs the Conservative Party who adds stains.
:43:40. > :43:43.When will the Conservatives finally join with all other parties in
:43:44. > :43:47.Scotland in protecting Scotland's place in Europe?
:43:48. > :43:55.The best way to secure the place of Scotland in the single market is for
:43:56. > :43:58.the United Kingdom to negotiate the closest possible relationship with
:43:59. > :44:03.the European Union, including, in my view, the closest relationship with
:44:04. > :44:07.the single market. Our membership of the EU is a UK membership and that
:44:08. > :44:11.is where we should take our negotiating too. I thank the Prime
:44:12. > :44:18.Minister for giving us last week's great exercise in democracy.
:44:19. > :44:29.The honourable gentleman will be heard and it is about us and this
:44:30. > :44:37.place that he will be heard. Mr Douglas Carswell. For giving us last
:44:38. > :44:40.week's great exercise in democracy. We on the Leave side should
:44:41. > :44:47.recognise that although they were the victors, it was a narrow minded
:44:48. > :44:49.with plenty of decent pack are the people voting for Remain. As Prime
:44:50. > :44:54.Minister argue with me that both sides now need to come together to
:44:55. > :44:57.achieve a new post EU national consensus, whereby we have close
:44:58. > :45:04.likes with our friends and allies in Europe and beyond, while reclaiming
:45:05. > :45:08.our sovereignty? Firstly, let me thank the honourable gentleman for
:45:09. > :45:12.making the point that there were people with a deep sense of packages
:45:13. > :45:16.on both sides of the argument. I also agree with them that it is time
:45:17. > :45:21.for people and our country to come together. He is also right that we
:45:22. > :45:25.must now work very hard on what the alternatives are because, of course,
:45:26. > :45:29.these were discussed and debated in the referendum campaign but were
:45:30. > :45:32.hypothetical alternatives. They are no real alternatives and one of the
:45:33. > :45:41.rows that the government can't be in the next few months is to set out
:45:42. > :45:44.these different blueprints, the Canada blueprint, the Swiss open,
:45:45. > :45:47.the Norwegian blueprint and any other ones and to look at the costs
:45:48. > :45:50.and benefits, so that people can make a reasoned assessment now that
:45:51. > :45:50.this is a real choice, rather than a hypothetical one.
:45:51. > :45:53.Let's go back to Westminster where David has been joined
:45:54. > :46:01.Thank you very much and let us bring ourselves up to date. When we were
:46:02. > :46:06.talking this time last week, we were talking about the referendum that
:46:07. > :46:10.was about to take place. Since then, athletes and Friday morning, the UK
:46:11. > :46:15.has voted to leave the EU, the Prime Minister has said that he is going
:46:16. > :46:20.to stand down. The first manager, Nicola Sturgeon, has indicated it is
:46:21. > :46:22.highly likely that there will be a second Scottish referendum and the
:46:23. > :46:27.Labour leader is under intense pressure from his MPs to stand down.
:46:28. > :46:31.But the fact that people are talking about another general election. Nor
:46:32. > :46:38.sorted then things to talk about and let me well, guests. -- Noel
:46:39. > :46:47.shortage. Jeremy Purvis, Alberto Costa, June Kelly and Ian Murray. --
:46:48. > :46:49.shoot Henry. Ian Murray, until Sunday Duberly Shadow Scottish
:46:50. > :46:54.Secretary, they resigned this week. Are you surprised that your party
:46:55. > :46:59.leader is still English? -- Hugh Henry. That is a personal decision
:47:00. > :47:03.for the leader of the Labour Party to make as to whether he wants to
:47:04. > :47:06.stay in position. It is clear that over 80% of the Parliamentary Labour
:47:07. > :47:11.Party want a change in leadership. It seems to me that the country
:47:12. > :47:14.needs a change in leadership because we have a strong opposition -- need
:47:15. > :47:18.a strong opposition. As Jesse Mogg has happened to this country since
:47:19. > :47:21.we did this TV programme last Wednesday, it is clear that the
:47:22. > :47:27.Tories have gambled the entire country on red but, like. We are in
:47:28. > :47:30.this dreadful constitutional situation that all Bercow Costa has
:47:31. > :47:34.spent weeks and weeks on this TV programme saying that the only party
:47:35. > :47:41.that could protect' Conservative Party, I hope tells us how that is
:47:42. > :47:47.going. -- Alberto Costa. Alberto Costa, they wanted us to
:47:48. > :47:50.remain in the EU at your party had a leadership contest, the Prime
:47:51. > :47:55.Minister and Ian Murray said, basically bet the farm and got it
:47:56. > :47:58.wrong. Who should be the new Conservative leader and who should
:47:59. > :48:02.be our next Prime Minister to take us through these issues? Let us be
:48:03. > :48:06.clear. The reason that Jeremy Corbyn is in such trouble is because he did
:48:07. > :48:11.not get the Rabo voters out to vote to remain. That is why Ian and his
:48:12. > :48:15.colleagues have left the Shadow Cabinet. This is not about a
:48:16. > :48:19.conservative issue. The United Kingdom electorate have made a clear
:48:20. > :48:23.decision. It is to leave the European Union. I must respect that
:48:24. > :48:27.and I do respect that. The important thing now is for stability and
:48:28. > :48:32.security and it is for my party to choose a competent and a capable
:48:33. > :48:34.leader that will become the Prime Minister and ensure that they built
:48:35. > :48:40.a very effective negotiating team made up of some of Britain's's best
:48:41. > :48:43.lawyers, and that includes Scottish lawyers, so that they can go to the
:48:44. > :48:46.EU and say that we want to remain within the single market but we want
:48:47. > :48:53.to acknowledge what the people of Britain have voted for, which is an
:48:54. > :49:00.end to uncapped immigration, the end of uncapped freedom of movement.
:49:01. > :49:04.You must feel left out by this. What is going on is only a minor part of
:49:05. > :49:10.the momentous decision that the UK took last week. One thing I would
:49:11. > :49:14.agree with Ian about is that this has been a reckless gamble by the
:49:15. > :49:19.Tory Party and it has brought us to this place today. We have work to be
:49:20. > :49:23.the effective opposition in the parliament during this vacuum so we
:49:24. > :49:27.are really busy at the moment. We are raising the issues that need to
:49:28. > :49:30.be raised and how we can do with jobs and the economy and going
:49:31. > :49:34.forward. Nicola Sturgeon is the only person in the UK that is actually
:49:35. > :49:37.showing any leadership and the kind of leadership that we need, which is
:49:38. > :49:44.about getting out there and finding the options to take us forward.
:49:45. > :49:53.Jeremy Purvis, we are not with you on your party want us to be but we
:49:54. > :49:55.are where we are. How does the UK go about starting this negotiating
:49:56. > :50:02.process? With difficulty. The rally team is that we are seeing everyday
:50:03. > :50:05.how hard this is going to be. That is why there has been a huge
:50:06. > :50:10.response to Tim Farron and the Lib Dems' position to say that there is
:50:11. > :50:13.no question about our commitment to the European Union and our
:50:14. > :50:18.commitment to the union with Scotland and the rest of the UK. We
:50:19. > :50:21.are the only party in British politics now which is unequivocally
:50:22. > :50:28.pro-union and pro-European Union. That is why we have had over 10,000.
:50:29. > :50:33.I just do not know where the Labour Party stands. Jeremy Corbyn has
:50:34. > :50:37.given indication that he is probed exit. Do you know how your Labour
:50:38. > :50:44.leader voted in the election? Do you know?
:50:45. > :50:50.Tim Farron was in Brussels yesterday meeting heads of government giving
:50:51. > :50:56.them the same message. Ian Murray, I will give you a chance to answer.
:50:57. > :50:59.Kezia Dugdale in her speech is the Labour Party support the First
:51:00. > :51:02.Minister and doing that he can to protect the interests of Scotland in
:51:03. > :51:06.the EU but that is not an excuse for a second referendum because the
:51:07. > :51:12.destination we want to get it as a party in Scotland remaining the UK
:51:13. > :51:15.and the European Union. That is a position that Scots voted for in two
:51:16. > :51:19.referendums and that is the position that we want to deliver and that is
:51:20. > :51:22.why we will support the Scottish First Minister in negotiations
:51:23. > :51:26.today. David, your viewers want stability, regardless of how they
:51:27. > :51:31.voted. There was a large chunk of people in Scotland that voted to
:51:32. > :51:38.leave, just like in the Highlands, where 55% voted to remain by 45% or
:51:39. > :51:41.thereabouts voted to me. So we cannot ignore the fact that there
:51:42. > :51:46.were a large chunk of people who said that they wanted to be. But we
:51:47. > :51:57.are all agreed, I did not campaign to be the EU, we are where we are,
:51:58. > :52:00.it is a decision that was made by the UK electorate. We have to get on
:52:01. > :52:03.with this and I am inviting all parties, let us get our heads down,
:52:04. > :52:06.let us get the best negotiating team in town and that includes the SNP
:52:07. > :52:08.and the Scottish Government and let us see what get from our EU
:52:09. > :52:15.partners. The Rouhani, at European level has it got to the ape and UK
:52:16. > :52:20.negotiating team? A team of all the talents, if you like. -- Drew Henry.
:52:21. > :52:25.Nicola Sturgeon has said that they want to look at all of the options
:52:26. > :52:28.to remain in the EU. We want to be involved in decisions that will be
:52:29. > :52:38.made for Scotland. But let us be clear, Scotland voted 62%,
:52:39. > :52:44.overwhelmingly, to remain in the EU. Are you including the 40 plus that
:52:45. > :52:49.said no? Are you telling me that the referendum on Scottish independence
:52:50. > :52:54.was not fair? You cannot have it both ways! People do not want to
:52:55. > :53:00.hear this kind of squabbling at such an important time. Let us get the
:53:01. > :53:06.best deal for the UK and let us move forward on this. Letting Jeremy
:53:07. > :53:13.Purvis. Has it got to be that it is in essence a negotiating team of all
:53:14. > :53:16.of the talents? -- let in. At the moment the Conservatives are telling
:53:17. > :53:20.us that we have to wait until October before we are any position
:53:21. > :53:24.start negotiating. Between now and October, there is a lot to play for,
:53:25. > :53:29.not only with the Scottish position, I'd agree with Drew Henry on that,
:53:30. > :53:33.and there is a lot with the young people, they are looking at their
:53:34. > :53:37.rights in the European Union. There is a lot to play for so we should
:53:38. > :53:41.not be closing down these words. A question I want to put two of view,
:53:42. > :53:46.because of what has happened and the knock-on effects for your party,
:53:47. > :53:50.Ian, and yours, Alberto, it is likely you will have new leaders
:53:51. > :53:54.both of you. Once that has been sorted and before negotiations get
:53:55. > :53:58.underway, do we need a general election in this country together
:53:59. > :54:03.whoever is in charge a mandate to go forward and take those negotiations?
:54:04. > :54:05.Ian Murray. That will be difficult to deliver both the fixed term
:54:06. > :54:10.parliaments built by the government could if they choose to go so we put
:54:11. > :54:13.that at or have a vote of no confidence in themselves. But we are
:54:14. > :54:19.all agreed that we need the best possible deal for the UK and the
:54:20. > :54:22.best possible deal for Scotland, that is why we have said that we
:54:23. > :54:25.should pause, find out where we are in this very uncertain time, and
:54:26. > :54:29.look to the future in terms of what we want which is to protect the
:54:30. > :54:34.interests of Scotland. We are pushed for time, yes or no, do we need a
:54:35. > :54:38.general election soon? We need stability and Ian has said but all
:54:39. > :54:44.of us need to get our heads down, get the negotiating team in place
:54:45. > :54:47.and negotiate with the EU. Scotland already has a mandate, during the
:54:48. > :54:52.Scottish parliamentary elections, if there was going to be a material
:54:53. > :54:57.change such a Scotland being dragged out of the EU against its will, then
:54:58. > :55:00.we could look at all the options, including a second independence
:55:01. > :55:10.referendum. 100,000 Conservative Party members, it would be
:55:11. > :55:13.fundamentally undemocratic. Thank you gentlemen, I can safely say that
:55:14. > :55:15.we will come back to this issue many, many times in the future. Back
:55:16. > :55:25.to you, Gordon. What was interesting was the fact
:55:26. > :55:31.that only the Lib Dems were keen on a general election. Yes, I think
:55:32. > :55:36.that is partly to do with the general internal state of the
:55:37. > :55:41.parties. The SNP have 56, they might think they will likely do that
:55:42. > :55:46.again. They also have two who are suspended, what happens to them? Do
:55:47. > :55:51.they stand again? The Tories are Reece Lyne not mad keen. I suppose
:55:52. > :55:55.the Lib Dems might think that they could pick something up. There is
:55:56. > :55:58.also a certain logic that the idea that the Lib Dems could get some
:55:59. > :56:01.increased support from what has happened because they are the most
:56:02. > :56:04.pro-European party, there are clearly a lot of people who are
:56:05. > :56:09.angry about what has happened and they have said that they will stand
:56:10. > :56:18.on a mandate to reverse the referendum result, so perhaps the
:56:19. > :56:21.fans the their chances to pick up a few seats. It would not be hard to
:56:22. > :56:23.beat the record of last year! I think that Jeremy Purvis made a
:56:24. > :56:25.valid point that if the Conservatives are just going to
:56:26. > :56:28.elect a new leader, that is likely going to be Boris Johnson, I think
:56:29. > :56:30.there needs to be some mandate from that government, especially if it is
:56:31. > :56:39.going to be negotiating the all of Britain from the EU. You said
:56:40. > :56:45.earlier that Jeremy Corbyn, should he hang on, you could well have a
:56:46. > :56:50.split in the Labour Party, which worked -- which you refer to as a
:56:51. > :56:53.member party. The parliamentary party would be everyone other than
:56:54. > :56:59.the 40 who backed Jeremy Corbyn, presumably. Perhaps not even that.
:57:00. > :57:03.How would that work? I have no idea. It would be very difficult.
:57:04. > :57:09.Everything is so chaotic at the moment, it could present itself as
:57:10. > :57:15.the most evil option. But if we are in a new world, because last time
:57:16. > :57:21.this happened, the SDP effectively walked off into political oblivion.
:57:22. > :57:24.But this time, would it be the splitter should they be the
:57:25. > :57:29.parliamentary party that what into oblivion or would it be those
:57:30. > :57:32.following Jeremy Corbyn? Logic would dictate, especially if Jeremy Corbyn
:57:33. > :57:35.was freed from any moderate influence and his membership was
:57:36. > :57:41.pushed further to the left, they would be unlikely to get any
:57:42. > :57:44.candidate elected, I would suspect, especially in the traditional Labour
:57:45. > :57:49.heartlands of England, which have shown themselves quite... But some
:57:50. > :57:53.of their unions appear to be on their side. Again refused but the
:57:54. > :58:01.Labour Party and you are resisting NP and you stand on that basis,
:58:02. > :58:03.there could be a bit of a backlash against the parliamentarians. They
:58:04. > :58:07.have to be cautious about Ukip. They could clearly do well in those areas
:58:08. > :58:11.that are considered Labour heartlands in England that have
:58:12. > :58:15.voted overwhelmingly for Leave, despite the Labour Party
:58:16. > :58:18.theoretically campaigning for Remain. Some parliamentarians have
:58:19. > :58:24.said they would have to be think that approach anyway. There are lots
:58:25. > :58:28.of moving parts. It would be cleaner if Jeremy Corbyn would stand down
:58:29. > :58:32.and that they have a leadership election to clear it up in the wash.
:58:33. > :58:37.It is interesting because what is at stake are to irreconcilable views of
:58:38. > :58:41.what Chrissie in the Labour Party means, but that has been almost
:58:42. > :58:46.since its beginning. It is a bit of a muddle. It has constantly been a
:58:47. > :58:51.compromise but we are not in a political environment. We will have
:58:52. > :58:54.to leave it there. That is all from us this afternoon.
:58:55. > :58:56.We'll be bringing you coverage of First Minister's Questions
:58:57. > :58:59.at noon tomorrow and I'll be back on Sunday