:00:42. > :00:47.The Glasgow Science Centre is hosting an exhibition called
:00:48. > :00:50.powering the future. The Scottish Labour delegates arrived yesterday
:00:51. > :00:56.for their one-day spring conference and that was very much what they
:00:57. > :01:08.would like to be doing. The election last year was a shocker for Labour.
:01:09. > :01:12.SNP, 23,000... There are traditional Scottish majority at Westminster was
:01:13. > :01:23.wiped out as seat after seed fell to the SNP. Married black, Scottish
:01:24. > :01:29.national party, 23,000... The big question is what will happen in the
:01:30. > :01:34.Scottish elections. Brian Taylor spoke to Kezia Dugdale who has made
:01:35. > :01:38.it her mission to regenerate Labour by asserting the Scottish party 's
:01:39. > :01:43.independence and that is why Jeremy Corbyn was not at the conference. I
:01:44. > :01:48.am the leader of the Scottish Labour Party. I am in charge and I will
:01:49. > :01:53.detail our plans for the forthcoming election. Jeremy Corbyn is a great
:01:54. > :02:09.friend and we work closely. Do you rate him? Very much so. He will be
:02:10. > :02:12.in Edinburgh and will help me campaign in my seat that I am proud
:02:13. > :02:14.to put my name forward for. This is a statement of as being comfortable
:02:15. > :02:17.with the new reality... It was your call, you contacted him and said the
:02:18. > :02:22.UK party leader has been coming for as long as possible, but now is
:02:23. > :02:28.different. 1991 was the last time a UK leader was not at the conference.
:02:29. > :02:34.You say it is not a big deal but you checked it. Someone told me. It is
:02:35. > :02:39.standard practice for the UK leader to come to the Scottish conference.
:02:40. > :02:43.Before we were an autonomous party. I need to put Scotland first and
:02:44. > :02:47.make it clear to the electorate that the Scottish Labour Party 's
:02:48. > :02:51.policies on what it stands for is determined here for the people of
:02:52. > :02:57.Scotland. It was your call that it should be you and not Jeremy Corbyn
:02:58. > :03:01.addressing the conference? Absolutely. There was not a question
:03:02. > :03:09.of doubt that he would not support it. We are a team. He was happy to
:03:10. > :03:14.stay away. It is possible that he will be in his allotment but I am
:03:15. > :03:19.not sure. It is the signal you are sending that you are in charge. It
:03:20. > :03:25.is not unusual, I have been saying this for the last six months. One
:03:26. > :03:30.clear difference between Labour and the SNP is the Labour policy of
:03:31. > :03:36.using the new tax barrister at 1p on to income tax to tackle what they
:03:37. > :03:40.see as proposed SNP cuts to education. Investing in education is
:03:41. > :03:44.a good thing to do for the economy. It is a social policy about closing
:03:45. > :03:49.the gap between the richest and arrest but if you look at other
:03:50. > :03:52.countries, and the global race for skills and knowledge, what we will
:03:53. > :04:05.increasingly compete for our highly skilled jobs. If we want to bring
:04:06. > :04:07.those jobs we want everyone in Scotland to have the opportunity and
:04:08. > :04:10.chance of rising those opportunities, we have to give them
:04:11. > :04:12.the skills and education they need. We will stick with tax. Do you
:04:13. > :04:17.expect that even supposing the education money has that effect, it
:04:18. > :04:22.will be years or decades before that affect is seen and in the meantime,
:04:23. > :04:27.Scotland is paying higher attacks and that is potentially a drag on
:04:28. > :04:30.the economy. I think it is a worthwhile investment. I think it is
:04:31. > :04:36.an old-fashioned view that the only way you can grow an economy is on a
:04:37. > :04:39.race to lower taxes. That is the policy that the Scottish
:04:40. > :04:46.Conservatives have been arguing. You accept that it is a dragon. You
:04:47. > :04:54.would put 20p or 30p on the tax rate? I am arguing that a small
:04:55. > :04:57.increase, which is inherently progressive is the way to generate
:04:58. > :05:04.the revenue that we need to stop the cuts. I think that the cuts that
:05:05. > :05:08.austerity are ripping money out of public services is a drag on the
:05:09. > :05:13.economy. I want to stop it. I want to use the powers of our Parliament
:05:14. > :05:20.to do it. Why should people pay more on income tax in Scotland than in
:05:21. > :05:24.England? We get more for our money. If you want to keep university
:05:25. > :05:28.tuition free and have free prescription charges and the best
:05:29. > :05:34.education system in the world... You're not using it for prescription
:05:35. > :05:39.charges or universities. You're asking me fundamental questions
:05:40. > :05:44.about tax. I think the idea that we all pay in according to our means
:05:45. > :05:49.and get out of a system, the idea of universal social rights is a
:05:50. > :05:52.profoundly good one and I believe fundamentally in high quality public
:05:53. > :05:56.services but unlike some other parties, notably the SNP, I
:05:57. > :06:01.recognise that if you want high quality public services, you have to
:06:02. > :06:07.pay for them. A clearer statement of principle than you could ask. Part
:06:08. > :06:10.of her strategy is to build relationships with the trades
:06:11. > :06:15.unions. I will let the message go out from the conference today that
:06:16. > :06:21.every worker in Scotland needs a trade union more than ever. Labour
:06:22. > :06:26.and the unions, stronger together, united by a common purpose. That is
:06:27. > :06:30.what we reaffirmed in our campaign against the Tory trade union Bill.
:06:31. > :06:36.We have won some battles and we have yet to win the war. We need to see
:06:37. > :06:40.this attack on the working class throwing into the same then as the
:06:41. > :06:46.bedroom tax. Several delegates related -- actor to the news that
:06:47. > :06:50.Iain Duncan Smith had resigned. This is where I go off script and people
:06:51. > :06:58.panicked when I do that. I did write it myself. I go of script because I
:06:59. > :07:03.do not know about any of you, but the announcement this morning that
:07:04. > :07:10.Iain Duncan Smith has left the Cabinet because he is worried about
:07:11. > :07:15.the cuts is quite frankly nothing more than appalling. He is worried
:07:16. > :07:23.about the cuts? He is worried about Europe! There is absolutely no doubt
:07:24. > :07:28.in my mind that he left so that he can blame Europe and he can claim
:07:29. > :07:33.that all the extra money that he will get the struggle we will get by
:07:34. > :07:38.leaving Europe will help on the welfare cuts. Has he forgotten, has
:07:39. > :07:46.he got such a short memory that he has forgotten that he actually is
:07:47. > :07:50.the architect of most of this? It is easy to hear what party leaders and
:07:51. > :07:54.officials have to say at these events, conferences are usually
:07:55. > :08:03.heavily stage-managed to show the party line but this one was
:08:04. > :08:07.different. I have another persona. Which I intend to reveal here and
:08:08. > :08:12.now. This is for the first time to this conference. Ask yourself what
:08:13. > :08:20.is the difference between us and the SNP? This was new, The Big Idea was
:08:21. > :08:26.a chance for party members to pitch their suggestions for the future of
:08:27. > :08:37.Labour and for the country. I am also Labour Man! I am not an
:08:38. > :08:46.ordinary bog-standard Labour Man. I am super hero Labour Man! Our big
:08:47. > :08:53.idea is a vibrant Scotland in a successful UK! We have got to
:08:54. > :09:00.appeal... We have got to appeal to many of those people who voted yes
:09:01. > :09:06.in 2014 on the basis, not that they were nationalist, but they thought
:09:07. > :09:13.that if they got independence for Scotland it would become a Tory free
:09:14. > :09:18.zone. Labour believe in democracy, the SNP believe in dictatorship,
:09:19. > :09:25.Labour give you a voice, the SNP silence those who speak out. Labour
:09:26. > :09:30.still use the new Paris, the SNP will hold them back, not knowing
:09:31. > :09:38.what to do. The top left but walk right!
:09:39. > :09:44.APPLAUSE. Labour are bold enough to ask for a tax powers to give us
:09:45. > :09:49.jobs, the SNP have had nine years and still we have 's territory, food
:09:50. > :09:59.bags, homeless, council cuts, education cuts, health cuts and they
:10:00. > :10:04.still say, it was not me! My big idea is a simple one, not a new idea
:10:05. > :10:08.but a timeless one. It is an idea that says that everyone in our
:10:09. > :10:13.society should have the opportunity to live a fulfilling life and as a
:10:14. > :10:18.community work better and more successfully when will work together
:10:19. > :10:23.and collectively to create that just and fair society that we want.
:10:24. > :10:29.Working together we achieve always much more than we ever do alone. It
:10:30. > :10:34.is an idea that believes that publicly provided services are
:10:35. > :10:39.civilising force in our society, that rejects the dog eat dog
:10:40. > :10:44.unrestrained market philosophy that casts aside the poor and abandons
:10:45. > :10:49.the week and the vulnerable. It is an idea that created the NHS to
:10:50. > :10:53.provide for everyone from the cradle to the grave, an idea that built 1
:10:54. > :10:59.million council houses allowing working people the space to bring up
:11:00. > :11:02.their families. It is an idea that introduced the national minimum
:11:03. > :11:10.wage, the right to join a trade union, holiday pay, sick pay, equal
:11:11. > :11:14.pay, maternity and paternity leave and anti-discrimination legislation,
:11:15. > :11:20.disability rights and LGB T equality. It is a timeless idea and
:11:21. > :11:25.it is called democratic socialism. Delegates who speak from their own
:11:26. > :11:31.sometimes difficult experience can leave a lasting impression. My 17th
:11:32. > :11:34.birthday I was living in temporary accommodation, surviving on ?100
:11:35. > :11:40.every two weeks. I was also at school, while living there, studying
:11:41. > :11:43.for my exams to get to university while many thought that this
:11:44. > :11:48.ambition was unrealistic, because I was predicted to fall through the
:11:49. > :11:53.railings. I was predicted to fail my exams. I was predicted to make
:11:54. > :11:57.friends with my drug dealer neighbour. I was predicted to become
:11:58. > :12:02.involved in theft or crime and eventually land in jail. I was
:12:03. > :12:06.predicted to become an addict myself. Today I am studying to
:12:07. > :12:12.become a teacher because education was my golden ticket. Education gave
:12:13. > :12:17.me a purpose and it was my teachers who became my family. Many of our
:12:18. > :12:19.parents have failed to put us first before their addictions and needs,
:12:20. > :12:25.for once in our lives, we need someone who will put us first. To
:12:26. > :12:29.prioritise us, to give us stability and support. I joined the Labour
:12:30. > :12:33.Party in November because I need someone who will care for me, not
:12:34. > :12:37.neglect me. I need someone who will follow through with their promises,
:12:38. > :12:41.not abandon them and I need someone who is not going to lead me to my
:12:42. > :12:46.own devices when things get difficult. I need someone who is not
:12:47. > :12:50.going to use me as a weapon, as a statistic or as a text box for their
:12:51. > :12:57.own purposes. I need someone who will put systems in place so I like
:12:58. > :13:00.thousands of young people do not have to go back into that spiral
:13:01. > :13:00.that we fought all our lives to get out.
:13:01. > :13:17.APPLAUSE. The key issue is jobs, good jobs,
:13:18. > :13:21.jobs for young people, jobs for the long-term unemployed, jobs that are
:13:22. > :13:26.quality jobs, jobs that will last, jobs that we can build our future
:13:27. > :13:31.and the future of Scotland around. And that is why we are saying that
:13:32. > :13:38.we are putting fair and full employment at the heart of our
:13:39. > :13:41.vision for the future of Scotland. Scotland needs a revolution and in
:13:42. > :13:44.skills and the economy, we need to use the powers of the Scottish
:13:45. > :13:50.Parliament to build the future for Scotland, we aim to use those powers
:13:51. > :13:54.to charge a different course for Scotland and for Scotland's future.
:13:55. > :13:59.Welcome to the fringe meeting... The lunch break is a chance for informal
:14:00. > :14:03.meetings. More than a third of all households in Scotland suffer from
:14:04. > :14:08.fuel poverty. I do not what you think, that is quite a staggering
:14:09. > :14:12.figure. We are talking about around 900,000 households, well over 1
:14:13. > :14:19.million people in fuel poverty and for some this is a consumer issue
:14:20. > :14:22.because if you live... And fuel poverty is not evenly distributed,
:14:23. > :14:27.you get it in deprived communities in the central belt and you get it
:14:28. > :14:31.hugely in rural communities, like the Western Isles, more than 70% of
:14:32. > :14:35.all households there are in fuel poverty, it is something we need to
:14:36. > :14:39.do something about. It is something not only we should be doing, it is
:14:40. > :14:42.something that we promised to do something about. It is something
:14:43. > :14:48.that the current government, the Scottish Government promised to do
:14:49. > :14:51.something about. I do not know if you are aware of this, but the
:14:52. > :14:54.Scottish Government are signed up to our commitment to abolish fuel
:14:55. > :15:00.poverty by November this year. Abolish it. If instead of getting
:15:01. > :15:03.close to abolishing fuel poverty this year we are going in the wrong
:15:04. > :15:09.direction and it has been increasing, then you have to ask,
:15:10. > :15:21.what share of responsibility does this government take?
:15:22. > :15:28.The Scottish nation isn't the only chance people get to vote in the
:15:29. > :15:33.next few months. It can hardly have escaped your attention that Britain
:15:34. > :15:36.will be deciding whether to stay in the European Union and forthcoming
:15:37. > :15:43.referendum. Alan Johnson was here to make the case for staying put. The
:15:44. > :15:48.European Union represents Scotland's largest trading partner outside the
:15:49. > :15:53.United Kingdom. In part of the European Union guarantees a Scottish
:15:54. > :16:00.exporters unfettered access to the market of half a billion consumers.
:16:01. > :16:03.From Scotch whiskey and beef to financial services and salmon,
:16:04. > :16:07.Scotland trading with Europe and through the EU 's ability to secure
:16:08. > :16:13.better deals with the rest of the world, sending Scottish goods and
:16:14. > :16:17.services around the world, supporting jobs here in Scotland.
:16:18. > :16:24.Scotland receives more inward investment than anywhere else in the
:16:25. > :16:28.Britain. 4600 of the sites in Scotland are owned by European Union
:16:29. > :16:35.countries, with more than 360,000 jobs directly related to European
:16:36. > :16:38.Union exports. Most of these countries are located here
:16:39. > :16:50.specifically to access the European market. Those jobs, all those
:16:51. > :16:55.trades, will be on the ballot paper. It is our ability to access the
:16:56. > :17:00.biggest commercial market in the world, better than the US, bigger
:17:01. > :17:04.than China, at one single tariff, zero. It is also built and Europe's
:17:05. > :17:12.role in maintaining peace and it is also built on our ability to shape
:17:13. > :17:15.that market to protect workers. Well successive Conservative governments
:17:16. > :17:20.at Westminster were weakening social protection, it was our trade unions
:17:21. > :17:25.that stood up for rates at work when the European single market was being
:17:26. > :17:30.created. But not everyone in the party wants to remain. Former
:17:31. > :17:34.Glasgow MP and government minister Tom Harris told is why she wants
:17:35. > :17:38.out. I've always been at that of a sceptic when I was an MP and
:17:39. > :17:43.secondly as a government minister. It started to accordingly dash-mac
:17:44. > :17:47.occur to me that some of the rules and regulations forced upon as by
:17:48. > :17:51.the European Union were not conducive to the country. I've been
:17:52. > :17:56.a long-standing opponent of Britain's membership of the usual
:17:57. > :18:00.and wrote to Gordon Brown when he was Chancellor urging him not to
:18:01. > :18:03.allow Britain to become a member of the European Union. A lot of the
:18:04. > :18:08.arguments being used to skid is full evening wear identical to the
:18:09. > :18:13.arguments used at that time to prevent us to join in the EU law.
:18:14. > :18:18.Someone with your background, is it odd to be campaigning on that
:18:19. > :18:22.position? Yes, I think it is fairly unusual. When I was a minister at
:18:23. > :18:27.the Department for Transport, it really hit home that a lot of the
:18:28. > :18:33.European Union rules did not benefit our country. That is why I am in
:18:34. > :18:37.this position and that is an unusual position among politicians, not
:18:38. > :18:43.among the electorate. Would you have liked to see a prominent speaker
:18:44. > :18:47.from the out campaign addressing the conference today? I always like to
:18:48. > :18:53.see a prominent and articulate campaigner on every platform at the
:18:54. > :18:59.conference but you have to respect the fact that the Labour Party are
:19:00. > :19:04.united behind the remain position. I disagree with that and there are a
:19:05. > :19:09.fair few members that do disagree with that. But fear is fear. It is
:19:10. > :19:12.not entirely representative of the people that vote Labour and the
:19:13. > :19:18.general population, but that is the position the Labour Party has chosen
:19:19. > :19:22.to adopt. From the veterans to the new blood. Conference heard from new
:19:23. > :19:30.party members about the living wage and they do hours contracts. Many of
:19:31. > :19:36.my peers have little or no career progression. We cannot afford rent,
:19:37. > :19:41.to call for higher education, to escape the minimum wage. I am not
:19:42. > :19:44.here to chastise the old guard for ignoring young voices, nor am I here
:19:45. > :19:48.to criticise anyone who isn't already involved in the trade union,
:19:49. > :19:55.instead, I'm trying to make the point that the young benefit from a
:19:56. > :20:01.strong trade union movement, but if we want to recover, we need to take
:20:02. > :20:05.a leading role. They run the risk of having these working taxes become
:20:06. > :20:10.the norm up and down this country. Not having enough income to fund
:20:11. > :20:13.your life becomes the norm. Not having the courage to voice your
:20:14. > :20:19.opinion in your workplace becomes the norm. It is not just the
:20:20. > :20:23.inability to fund your life, it is the detrimental effect it has on
:20:24. > :20:27.your mental health. These contracts are exploitative and the art are
:20:28. > :20:32.rising. They are telling young people that they are not worthy of
:20:33. > :20:36.having decent work. It is not giving them a hope to secure a decent
:20:37. > :20:40.future. Many people would like you to believe that they are flexible,
:20:41. > :20:45.as we have heard, they are only folks will for the employer. It
:20:46. > :20:50.takes any control the bat worker has on their own lives and put it
:20:51. > :20:54.straight into the hands of the bosses, corporate bosses who care
:20:55. > :20:58.more about problems that they make redundant well-being and the health
:20:59. > :21:04.of the people that they actually employ. As luck would have it, DUP
:21:05. > :21:09.party was represented by Ian Duncan Smith's shadow minister, will
:21:10. > :21:13.qualified to talk about personal and dependence payments. That is the
:21:14. > :21:16.real issue, the cut to personal independence payment, one of the
:21:17. > :21:21.many cuts implemented by each Duncan Smith that we should be talking
:21:22. > :21:24.about today, not his resignation which is a footnote. The truth is
:21:25. > :21:31.the impact on those millions of people across Britain who have been
:21:32. > :21:35.heart by his policies, the car at getting people who have difficulty
:21:36. > :21:38.using the toilet or washing themselves or getting dressed
:21:39. > :21:42.needed. These are the people whom the Tories thought it safe and Weiss
:21:43. > :21:49.to target in order to pay for top dash-mac cuts to corporation tax or
:21:50. > :21:54.capital gains tax, cuts that benefit the richest ten or 15% in our
:21:55. > :22:00.society, the wrong priorities, confidence, but I'm afraid the Tory
:22:01. > :22:05.priority at known as in the past. Ian Duncan Smith was raped today.
:22:06. > :22:15.Ideal hell with them for the first time. These cuts were an defensible.
:22:16. > :22:18.People say I have an impossible job, the toughest job in politics.
:22:19. > :22:20.I tell you, you've led a pretty sheltered life if you think
:22:21. > :22:24.And I tell you this, I wouldn't change my
:22:25. > :22:34.Because, if I can reach out to people, if I can convince them
:22:35. > :22:44.that a different Scotland is possible, we can change the lives
:22:45. > :22:52.The SNP stood on team, record, vision.
:22:53. > :23:02.To those who voted SNP with high hopes, I ask this.
:23:03. > :23:05.If the SNP haven't delivered the change you want to see,
:23:06. > :23:10.with the experience of ten years in power, with a lead in the opinion
:23:11. > :23:26.polls, with a majority in Parliament, will they ever deliver?
:23:27. > :23:28.Let's define our time with the radical policies
:23:29. > :23:33.Labour will use the powers of our Parliament to get serious
:23:34. > :23:40.Instead of the SNP's tax cut on airline tickets for the wealthy,
:23:41. > :23:44.we will help people my age to afford a mortgage deposit.
:23:45. > :23:47.We will tackle rent rises in the private sector and take
:23:48. > :23:59.on slum landlords to provide warm and secure homes.
:24:00. > :24:09.And we will build a new generation of council houses.
:24:10. > :24:11.We'll increase carers allowance, recognising the debt
:24:12. > :24:24.that we owe to those who put others before themselves.
:24:25. > :24:26.We will increase funding for the NHS year-on-year in real terms.
:24:27. > :24:29.Because the NHS is not just another policy agenda for Labour.
:24:30. > :24:34.Our pride in its creation inspires everything else that we do.
:24:35. > :24:37.We can take the pressure off hospitals by getting primary care
:24:38. > :24:39.right, delivering the NHS services people need in their communities.
:24:40. > :24:42.Instead of the cuts to GPs we've seen in the last decade,
:24:43. > :24:45.our plan for the NHS will guarantee an appointment at your local
:24:46. > :25:02.surgery, which you can book online, if you choose, within 48 hours.
:25:03. > :25:05.We will guarantee a living wage for care workers, but we won't pay
:25:06. > :25:07.for their wages by cutting back on the local authorities already
:25:08. > :25:10.struggling to deal with an ageing population and we will ban zero-hour
:25:11. > :25:26.Between the Scottish election in May and the next UK
:25:27. > :25:29.General Election, spending on public services will rise in real terms.
:25:30. > :25:31.And any party claiming to be against austerity
:25:32. > :25:41.It is a pledge to prevent billions of pounds of unnecessary cuts.
:25:42. > :25:49.Cuts that will damage local services and hit the poorest hardest.
:25:50. > :25:53.Cuts that will undermine our economy, cuts that
:25:54. > :25:57.will undermine our future prosperity.
:25:58. > :26:00.If the SNP do not match our anti-austerity pledge,
:26:01. > :26:03.their claims to be anti-austerity will be exposed as false.
:26:04. > :26:21.Let me speak directly to the voters who are not yet convinced.
:26:22. > :26:23.After a decade sat in ministerial offices, the SNP are too comfortable
:26:24. > :26:26.in power and they are being too cautious with their power.
:26:27. > :26:30.If you want more accountable government, more radical government,
:26:31. > :26:33.if you want a government that is less interested in taking
:26:34. > :26:35.selfies and more interested in taking on the establishment then
:26:36. > :26:37.consider giving your first and second votes to the Labour
:26:38. > :26:54.And if you use both your votes for Labour, you will ensure that our
:26:55. > :26:56.Parliament and our government used the real powers we have
:26:57. > :27:00.Not in a few years, not in a distant promised
:27:01. > :27:23.Labour have come here in good spirits but they face a challenge.
:27:24. > :27:27.The starter solution behind the SNP, apparently well behind in the polls.
:27:28. > :27:32.Zezia Dugdale had a range of policies to address a range of
:27:33. > :27:35.announcements to make but she only had one Nick here is my clear
:27:36. > :27:39.message, which is to make a distinction between the two parties.
:27:40. > :27:44.She said she is wrong to protect and defend services with higher taxation
:27:45. > :27:48.will she contrasts with what she says the SNP would do, which is
:27:49. > :27:57.undermining services by failing to make a move on tax. The SNP dispute
:27:58. > :27:59.that, saying they will protect services and defend the public
:28:00. > :28:02.system in Scotland, but they do not believe it will be fair to load an
:28:03. > :28:06.additional tax burden on the people of Scotland. It is a clear, big and
:28:07. > :28:09.powerful choice for the people of Scotland to meet.
:28:10. > :28:14.Policies are what win votes, often. What King of platform is Labour are
:28:15. > :28:18.going to be fighting the selection on?
:28:19. > :28:22.I was intrigued by one thing, although the Keswick Dugdale speech
:28:23. > :28:27.was about the SNP, but placing herself as a rival first Minster to
:28:28. > :28:34.Nicola Sturgeon, she personalised a dollar number of occasions, with
:28:35. > :28:38.dozens speeches were having a go at the Conservatives. The overspill of
:28:39. > :28:43.the Duncan Smith gets traction to the Conservative pitch, if you like,
:28:44. > :28:45.and secondly it is a conference on for the Labour Party, by the side of
:28:46. > :28:57.the clay driver. Dash-mac the Clyde. I think some of the people are
:28:58. > :29:01.certainly thinking that they have two attack the Conservatives as well
:29:02. > :29:07.to stop them overhauling Labour in second place.
:29:08. > :29:09.That's it for our coverage of the Scottish Labour Party conference
:29:10. > :29:10.here in Glasgow.