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:00:19. > :00:27.Hello and welcome to a slightly damp Westminster for the may edition of

:00:28. > :00:32.Scottish questions. Coming less than a week after the elections to the

:00:33. > :00:38.Holyrood parliament. Down here there is one issue that is dominating

:00:39. > :00:43.politics. That is the EU and the upcoming referendum. Should the UK

:00:44. > :00:49.stay in or should it leave the EU? As we are about to find out, it was

:00:50. > :00:55.that question and discussions around it, that dominated Scottish

:00:56. > :01:02.questions. Order, order. I have to tell the

:01:03. > :01:06.house that yesterday, together with other right honourable and

:01:07. > :01:13.honourable members, I attended upon Her Majesty The Queen to deliver the

:01:14. > :01:22.House's message of congratulations on her 90th birthday. Her Majesty

:01:23. > :01:26.made the following reply... Members of the House of the is, I am most

:01:27. > :01:33.grateful to you for your address on the occasion of my 90th birthday. I

:01:34. > :01:37.have been deeply touched by the many messages of congratulations, which I

:01:38. > :01:41.have received on this particular birthday. And I warmly reciprocate

:01:42. > :01:48.the good wishes of members of the House of, is at this time. In order.

:01:49. > :01:58.Questions to the Secretary of State for Scotland. Patricia Gibson.

:01:59. > :02:01.Question number one, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, can I begin by

:02:02. > :02:04.congratulating Nicola Sturgeon and the Scottish National Party on

:02:05. > :02:12.achieving the largest number of seats in last week's Scottish

:02:13. > :02:15.Parliament elections. And say I look forward to working with her and the

:02:16. > :02:22.new Scottish Government for the benefit of the people of Scotland. I

:02:23. > :02:30.would like to answer questions one, two, three, six, seven and eight

:02:31. > :02:34.together. The government's position is Scotland and the UK will be

:02:35. > :02:40.stronger, safer and better off remaining in a reformed EU.

:02:41. > :02:42.Membership of the EU reduces costs for Scottish businesses, supports

:02:43. > :02:51.jobs in Scotland and provides an export market currently worth 11.6

:02:52. > :02:56.billion pounds. A rerun of a project fear from the Prime Minister will

:02:57. > :02:59.not win the European referendum. Stories of war, genocide and

:03:00. > :03:05.economic crashes are not in keeping with making a positive case for the

:03:06. > :03:11.EU. Can Secretary of State tell the House when we hear the positive case

:03:12. > :03:17.for remaining the EU? Can I add my congratulations to the honourable

:03:18. > :03:22.lady's Husband on his re-election to the Scottish Parliament, where I am

:03:23. > :03:28.sure his witty repartee will be welcomed. What I say to the

:03:29. > :03:31.honourable lady, is she and her colleagues repeatedly called for a

:03:32. > :03:38.positive campaign for Scotland to remain in the EU, but all we hear

:03:39. > :03:44.about from then is process and calls for a second recommend. I call on

:03:45. > :03:52.them to disregard that approach and start setting out the positive case

:03:53. > :03:57.themselves. The UK Government has shown disregard for Scotland's

:03:58. > :04:01.higher education by scrapping the poster do work Visa against the

:04:02. > :04:04.unanimous wishes of the business and Scottish political parties. Does the

:04:05. > :04:11.Secretary of State accept a crippling effect is EU referendum is

:04:12. > :04:18.having in its ability to attract young talent to Scotland? What I

:04:19. > :04:23.believe is the biggest issue that faces Scotland currently, is the

:04:24. > :04:27.uncertainty over the Scottish Government's inability to rule out a

:04:28. > :04:31.second independence referendum, which they could quite easily do. I

:04:32. > :04:38.look forward to the First Minister, if she is re-elected, setting out

:04:39. > :04:44.clearly we aren't going to have a second independence referendum. The

:04:45. > :04:48.Scottish affairs select committee has carried out a good report into

:04:49. > :05:00.the Visa issue and the government is looking at it. Does the Secretary of

:05:01. > :05:04.State considered the 60% of the UK landings in Scotland, a Scottish

:05:05. > :05:11.Fisheries Minister should lead during the UK presidency of the EU?

:05:12. > :05:14.Is the Secretary of State still stuck in this Westminster rut of

:05:15. > :05:26.some nations being more equal than others? Mr Speaker, my position is

:05:27. > :05:31.Scotland voted to remain part of the United Kingdom and that the United

:05:32. > :05:36.Kingdom represents Scotland's interests on fishing in the EU. The

:05:37. > :05:39.honourable lady may be aware the Scottish Government and UK

:05:40. > :05:43.Government have been discussing intergovernmental relations, and in

:05:44. > :05:51.particular how these issues of representation at the EU should

:05:52. > :05:58.work. My understanding is the SNP previously were in agreement with

:05:59. > :06:02.those proposals. This week report was critical of the UK Government's

:06:03. > :06:09.approach to the energy sector, saying it is not only stalling

:06:10. > :06:13.investment were jeopardising UK energy security. Does the Secretary

:06:14. > :06:20.of State agreed the best way for Scotland's energy policy to

:06:21. > :06:24.developers within the EU? I absolutely agree that it is in the

:06:25. > :06:28.best interests of Scotland to remain in the EU and it is in the best

:06:29. > :06:36.interests of Scotland to remain in the UK. Because it has been clearly

:06:37. > :06:45.set out the best way forward for Scotland's energy sector is to have

:06:46. > :06:51.a UK wide common market. We clearly want the UK to remain part of the

:06:52. > :06:55.EU, I am wondering if the Secretary of State's mission is to antagonise

:06:56. > :07:00.as many Scots as possible before the referendum. Will he agree, should

:07:01. > :07:04.Scotland be dragged out of the EU against its will, it will be a major

:07:05. > :07:08.constitutional change? The honourable gentleman might be

:07:09. > :07:16.interested to know that tomorrow night I am sharing a platform with

:07:17. > :07:26.the former deputy leader of the SNP, where I will be making the positive

:07:27. > :07:28.case for Scotland remaining in the EU. I understand he will be making

:07:29. > :07:45.the case for Scotland leaving the EU. The Royal College of psychiatry

:07:46. > :07:50.has warned that UK leaving the EU would remove rights for psychiatric

:07:51. > :07:56.uses. Would he join me in safeguarding mental health and

:07:57. > :07:59.prevent any attempts for Scotland to leave the European Convention on

:08:00. > :08:03.human rights? The honourable lady is aware that the government is going

:08:04. > :08:11.to bring forward a consultation on a bill of rights post the EU

:08:12. > :08:18.referendum. But I do agree with her, the united kingdom remaining in VUE

:08:19. > :08:24.is for the benefit of everyone in Scotland. Mr Speaker, would the

:08:25. > :08:31.Secretary of State agreed that the government is split on the issue of

:08:32. > :08:37.when we should remain in the European Union, just as the SNP are.

:08:38. > :08:50.Would the secretary of state say it is embarrassing for the government

:08:51. > :08:54.to be associated with that lot? Mr Speaker, what this government does

:08:55. > :09:00.which the Scottish National Party doesn't always do is respect people

:09:01. > :09:05.have different opinions. My view is very firmly that Scotland should

:09:06. > :09:11.remain in the EU, but I recognise and respect there are people in

:09:12. > :09:16.Scotland, including SNP voters and supporters who want Scotland to

:09:17. > :09:19.leave the EU. Therefore, that is why we are having a referendum, that is

:09:20. > :09:28.why we are having a debate and the people will have their say. Mr

:09:29. > :09:32.Speaker, why hasn't my right honourable friend emphasised that

:09:33. > :09:34.when we leave the European Union, the Scottish Parliament, the

:09:35. > :09:41.Scottish Government and the Scottish people will have control over

:09:42. > :09:48.Scottish fishing waters? I don't leave, Mr Speaker, the best

:09:49. > :09:51.interests of Scottish fishermen, Scottish farmers or the general

:09:52. > :09:55.population of Scotland would be served by leaving beat you. Because

:09:56. > :10:05.my honourable friend, will note that large amounts of fish, particularly

:10:06. > :10:15.shellfish caught off the west coast of Scotland, goes to a European

:10:16. > :10:19.market. Does my right honourable friend agree that Scotland, like the

:10:20. > :10:29.rest of the United Kingdom, would be safer if it left the European Union,

:10:30. > :10:34.because as the former head of MI6 has said, Britain is Europe's leader

:10:35. > :10:46.in intelligence and security matters and gives much more than it gets in

:10:47. > :10:50.return? No. What assessment has the Secretary of State undertaken as to

:10:51. > :10:57.why the SNP are so keen on the EU, when it is clear the EU is in the

:10:58. > :11:00.global economic slow lane, when the EU unemployment rates are so much

:11:01. > :11:06.higher, including youth unemployment, over 50% in certain

:11:07. > :11:08.countries. And the common fisheries policy, has over the years,

:11:09. > :11:19.decimated the Scottish fishing fleet? Mr Speaker, I do know the

:11:20. > :11:23.inherent contradiction in the SNP position because every argument they

:11:24. > :11:27.use for Scotland remaining in the EU were arguments they dismissed in

:11:28. > :11:32.relation to Scotland remaining in the United Kingdom. On this

:11:33. > :11:39.occasion, I will forgive them, because I believe, like them, it is

:11:40. > :11:45.in Scotland's best interest to remain in the EU. A pensioner in my

:11:46. > :11:50.right honourable friend's constituency would like to say how

:11:51. > :11:57.pleased she is at having two things to choose from and is seeking

:11:58. > :12:04.reassurance in a reformed EU as a pensioner, she will be better off? I

:12:05. > :12:10.am absolutely clear that the reforms which the Prime Minister brought

:12:11. > :12:16.forward will improve the EU for pensioners and citizens right across

:12:17. > :12:23.Scotland. I also believe it is not the end of the reform process. The

:12:24. > :12:30.EU is not perfect, even after these reforms. It is up to the UK to lead

:12:31. > :12:35.in reforming the EU, not withdraw from it. I know the Secretary of

:12:36. > :12:38.State will be aware the EU is based on its current member state. What

:12:39. > :12:42.assessment has been made of the Scottish Parliament election results

:12:43. > :12:46.in ensuring the integrity of one of its largest members and removing the

:12:47. > :12:53.prospect of Scotland having to join as a new member? What I would say to

:12:54. > :12:58.my honourable friend, there was a clear message from last week's

:12:59. > :13:02.Scottish Parliament elections. The people of Scotland don't want

:13:03. > :13:09.another referendum. I hope the First Minister has heard that message loud

:13:10. > :13:15.and clear. The EU referendum is about the UK's membership of the EU.

:13:16. > :13:25.It is not a rerun of the Scottish Independence Referendum Bill. Can I

:13:26. > :13:30.take this opportunity to congratulate all MSPs elected last

:13:31. > :13:36.week and the SNP historic third term in government in Scotland. I do have

:13:37. > :13:43.to say in Edinburgh South, it was a net gain from the SNP. Can I

:13:44. > :13:49.congratulate the secretary of state on his son Oliver being elected to

:13:50. > :13:57.the Scottish Parliament. They also both have fetching beards. With the

:13:58. > :14:02.word fetching the used loosely! The evidence is clear the UK and

:14:03. > :14:09.Scotland are stronger in the EU. In the Scottish context, 42% of

:14:10. > :14:12.exports, a quarter of a million jobs, 10% of higher education

:14:13. > :14:18.spending and a whole host of social protection. Can the Secretary of

:14:19. > :14:26.State give assurance that all MSPs will be campaigning to stay in the

:14:27. > :14:27.European Union? I thank the honourable gentleman for his

:14:28. > :14:31.congratulations and the congratulations to my son. The high

:14:32. > :14:38.point of the election for me was when somebody on the door said, you

:14:39. > :14:44.look a lot like your dad. But that aside, what I can assure him, is

:14:45. > :14:49.there will be a robust and proper debate in Scotland. Ruth Davidson,

:14:50. > :14:53.head of the beginning of this referendum process, made her

:14:54. > :14:57.position very clear on supporting Scotland remaining in the EU. But we

:14:58. > :15:02.cannot hide the fact there are people in Scotland who would like to

:15:03. > :15:05.leave the EU. I think their views should be reflected. The

:15:06. > :15:09.Conservative Party isn't frightened in Scotland to hide the fact there

:15:10. > :15:15.are different views. There are different views across Scotland.

:15:16. > :15:22.The Secretary of State has not told us what Oliver's response was.

:15:23. > :15:25.Everyone knows that this referendum is more about settling old scores in

:15:26. > :15:31.the Conservative Party than doing what is best for the UK and indeed

:15:32. > :15:35.Scotland. They also know that the SNP are desperate for any excuse to

:15:36. > :15:42.trigger another referendum. The truth is, and we all know, that the

:15:43. > :15:47.UK is better in the EU and Scotland is better off in the UK. Isn't it

:15:48. > :15:51.the case that the Secretary of State has taken a huge gamble with the

:15:52. > :15:57.future of the UK and the future of Scotland? Absolutely not. What we

:15:58. > :16:03.have done is to allow the people of Scotland and the people across the

:16:04. > :16:07.United Kingdom to have their say on this important issue. And they will

:16:08. > :16:11.do. And we need to have a debate in Scotland. I am campaigning

:16:12. > :16:22.vigorously, as he appears to be, for Scotland to remain in the EU. People

:16:23. > :16:26.like Jim Sillars are campaigning for Scotland to leave the EU. Let's have

:16:27. > :16:29.a vigorous debate in Scotland over the next few weeks and I look

:16:30. > :16:37.forward to sharing a platform with him and SNP colleagues.

:16:38. > :16:43.May I add my congratulations to the election of Oliver on Dell to the

:16:44. > :16:46.Scottish Parliament? Candy Secretary of State confirm that he will

:16:47. > :16:52.continue to champion the Scotland Bill, which he passed through this

:16:53. > :16:55.House, which is given so much powers to the Scottish Parliament, to

:16:56. > :17:01.ensure that Scottish people continue to benefit not just being in the UK,

:17:02. > :17:09.but being in the EU as well? Thank you for that from my honourable

:17:10. > :17:13.friend. I must get my son elected more often because there are more

:17:14. > :17:20.plaudits today than I recall ever previously at Scottish questions!

:17:21. > :17:24.What I would say to him is that of course we will move forward with the

:17:25. > :17:27.implementation of the Scotland Bill. But we will also work hard to

:17:28. > :17:35.achieve a positive outcome for Scotland in the EU referendum. Does

:17:36. > :17:38.the Secretary of State agree that the high levels of support in

:17:39. > :17:40.Scotland for remaining in the European Union could be improved

:17:41. > :17:45.further still if Scottish farmers could be confident they can get

:17:46. > :17:52.their capital payments when they are supposed to? The right Honourable

:17:53. > :17:58.gentleman raises a very important point. The reason the payments have

:17:59. > :18:04.not been made to farmers in Scotland is due to the previous SNP Scottish

:18:05. > :18:09.government. And any attempts to suggest it was the EU is incorrect.

:18:10. > :18:15.I think that farmers and others know the benefits to Scotland of being in

:18:16. > :18:20.the EU and will vote to remain. If the EU were to withdraw from the EU,

:18:21. > :18:23.what impact would this have on Scotland and the EU relationship

:18:24. > :18:28.with Malawi, which I know my honourable friend has recently been

:18:29. > :18:38.to? My honourable friend knows that I did recently visit Malawi. And

:18:39. > :18:42.without being indiscreet, I can firmly say the Malawian government

:18:43. > :18:54.are in favour of Scotland and the UK staying in the EU. It seems like a

:18:55. > :18:59.minority of Scottish people want to leave the EU. What is his message,

:19:00. > :19:03.as Secretary of State, what is his message to the Scottish people if we

:19:04. > :19:11.are taken out of the EU against our National Collective well? I think

:19:12. > :19:20.that is another positive campaigning point from the SNP. It is not for me

:19:21. > :19:24.to give the SNP advice. But if my vote had fallen by 500,000 from the

:19:25. > :19:28.general election, I would be focusing on getting my supporters

:19:29. > :19:37.out to vote on the 23rd of June to ensure that Scotland votes to

:19:38. > :19:42.remain. We on these benches are delighted that in the run-up to the

:19:43. > :19:47.European Union referendum, the Scottish electorate has returned a

:19:48. > :19:52.pro-European SNP government. Returned with the highest vote of

:19:53. > :19:59.any party currently Anni were in national elections Anni were in

:20:00. > :20:03.Western Europe. -- anywhere. Most people in Scotland are very pleased

:20:04. > :20:11.that when given the opportunity the Scottish electorate did not return a

:20:12. > :20:18.single MSP from the UK Independence Party and there is a majority in the

:20:19. > :20:21.Scottish parliament for Scottish independence as a member of the

:20:22. > :20:27.European Union. On the case for remaining in the EU -- EU, will the

:20:28. > :20:35.UK government concentrate police are making a positive and inspiring case

:20:36. > :20:39.to stay rather than warming endless scare stories up? I made it clear to

:20:40. > :20:43.the honourable gentleman that that is exactly what my intention is.

:20:44. > :20:48.Perhaps he could undertake today to stop obsessing about process and a

:20:49. > :20:51.second Scottish Independence Referendum, and concentrate himself

:20:52. > :20:58.entirely on the positive reasons for Scotland remaining in the EU. If

:20:59. > :21:01.Scotch whiskey is the largest net goods exporter to the European

:21:02. > :21:07.Union, both from Scotland and for the United Kingdom as a whole, does

:21:08. > :21:10.the Secretary of State agree that the European single market is

:21:11. > :21:17.profoundly important and positive for the ?1 billion of trade, meaning

:21:18. > :21:20.there is no need for customs forms, duplication of labelling and safety

:21:21. > :21:26.requirements? Will heat stress the positive advantages to the whiskey

:21:27. > :21:32.industry and all exporters from Scotland, to jobs and profitability,

:21:33. > :21:37.by remaining within the European single market and the European

:21:38. > :21:40.Union? I am absolutely clear that what the honourable gentleman states

:21:41. > :21:49.is the case and I am sure that he will have welcomed the visit to

:21:50. > :21:51.Scotland yesterday my right friend, the secretary of state for Defra, to

:21:52. > :21:55.stress the importance to the whiskey industry of remaining within the

:21:56. > :22:01.single market. The particular pointy makes about duplication in relation

:22:02. > :22:04.to labelling certification and licensing our once which the Scotch

:22:05. > :22:16.Whisky Association have made, and once the public will take into

:22:17. > :22:21.account in voting in the referendum. Of course this is an important

:22:22. > :22:25.sector and it faces difficult times. That is why I am delighted the

:22:26. > :22:29.Chancellor announced a ?1 billion package in the budget reducing

:22:30. > :22:34.headline rates of tax, major investment opportunities and

:22:35. > :22:40.encouragement in exploration, infrastructure, and a quarter of ?1

:22:41. > :22:43.billion Aberdeen city deal along with the creation of

:22:44. > :22:49.interministerial groups specifically targeting the oil and gas sector.

:22:50. > :22:56.Does the Minister agree that we need a long-term approach to secure the

:22:57. > :23:00.future of the jobs in the oil and gas industry in the North Sea? And

:23:01. > :23:08.that part of the future is making sure the skills developed over many

:23:09. > :23:13.decades are not lost? I could not agree with my honourable friend

:23:14. > :23:15.more. That is why, as I said, we have established an interministerial

:23:16. > :23:22.group specifically looking at this and many other issues. In this -- in

:23:23. > :23:30.a short period of time we will publish our workforce plan.

:23:31. > :23:36.The gas industry provides vital stocks to Britain's largest

:23:37. > :23:38.manufacturing sector. Can the Minister assure the House the

:23:39. > :23:46.government will continue to support as many jobs as it can in this vital

:23:47. > :23:48.sector? The short answer is of course, yes. I would like to pay

:23:49. > :23:54.tribute to my honourable friend for the work he does in relation to

:23:55. > :23:57.chemicals. In very important sector. I'm very pleased to see the sort of

:23:58. > :24:06.work they are doing to increase exports. Last week I raised concerns

:24:07. > :24:14.related to the transatlantic trade and investment and the threat to our

:24:15. > :24:25.public services. Only for these to be dismissed by the Prime Minister

:24:26. > :24:31.row. -- PM. With the Secretary of State make representations to the

:24:32. > :24:40.Prime Minister to insist on specific exemptions? Mr Speaker, on this

:24:41. > :24:47.dispatch box, I and other ministers have repeatedly said that these

:24:48. > :24:51.sorts of claims... I'm waiting for the honourable member to take his

:24:52. > :24:57.seat. I do not wish to be rude to the honourable lady, but this is

:24:58. > :25:00.absolute rubbish she puts forward. The Prime Minister is absolutely

:25:01. > :25:03.right. This is a red herring. I undertake to share with her all of

:25:04. > :25:09.the letters from impartial sources that have written to support our

:25:10. > :25:12.intention that public services, especially the NHS, have no threat

:25:13. > :25:19.whatsoever. It is a good idea. The Minister, I

:25:20. > :25:21.hope, is aware of the increasing anxiety of Scottish entities

:25:22. > :25:25.ironworkers about reductions in investment in safety offshore and

:25:26. > :25:30.the failure of many companies to work what personally would trade

:25:31. > :25:35.union safety representatives. What recent assessment has she made of

:25:36. > :25:41.safety offshore? What can we say to our constituents to reassure them

:25:42. > :25:45.the government is on the case? Can I thank the honourable gentleman

:25:46. > :25:49.for his question? He makes some very important points. I am more than

:25:50. > :25:53.happy to meet with him to discuss these, including any allegations

:25:54. > :25:57.that the unions have not been fully engaged with. I do not have

:25:58. > :25:59.difficulty with trade unions. More than happy to meet to discuss this

:26:00. > :26:15.important matter. The trade union act is now waiting

:26:16. > :26:18.Royal assent. I should say it is about employment and industrial

:26:19. > :26:23.relations law, which are reserved matters and will deploy consistently

:26:24. > :26:26.across the United Kingdom. We have engaged with the Scottish government

:26:27. > :26:36.through the passage of the bill and we will carry on with that work.

:26:37. > :26:42.Despite the trade union bill's worst elements being removed or water

:26:43. > :26:44.down, it is still a bad bill. Does the Secretary of State agree that a

:26:45. > :26:52.bad bill will not make for good industrial relations in Scotland? I

:26:53. > :26:57.do not share his views on the act. I think it is an excellent act and I

:26:58. > :27:01.fully support it and its aims. Parties in Wales and Scotland have

:27:02. > :27:06.prepared legislative consent memorandums on the trade union Bill

:27:07. > :27:09.on the basis that it clearly impinges on devolved competencies.

:27:10. > :27:14.In the light of this thus the Minister not know agree that builds

:27:15. > :27:17.should be subject to legislative consent motion is? What action with

:27:18. > :27:23.the government to take to ensure that similar circumstances do not

:27:24. > :27:26.arise in future? I am reliably informed that has. I think the

:27:27. > :27:33.honourable lady is just not up to date. Row with the relegation of

:27:34. > :27:38.labour to third place in the Scottish Elections Bill, with the

:27:39. > :27:43.Minister agree that now is exactly the right time to be introducing an

:27:44. > :27:49.opt in system for union members rather than it being a default

:27:50. > :27:52.position? The honourable lady makes a very good point. Can I pay

:27:53. > :27:59.handsome tribute to the outstanding Ruth Davidson? Like the Prime

:28:00. > :28:03.Minister, she is a moderate, sensible conservative, one nation

:28:04. > :28:08.Conservative. She has turned the skies of Scotland blue with, if I

:28:09. > :28:15.may say, a Roz -- a rather pleasing tint of pink at the edges.

:28:16. > :28:21.The government made a number of concessions on the trade union act

:28:22. > :28:28.but the act still seeks to undermine constrictive social partnership.

:28:29. > :28:32.Given that the government says that it believes in mutual respect

:28:33. > :28:35.between central government and the devolved institutions, will it now

:28:36. > :28:40.hold immediate discussions with the devolved institutions about how the

:28:41. > :28:46.act will relate to Scotland and Wales? Discussions are always

:28:47. > :28:49.continuing. I think this is another red herring. The honourable

:28:50. > :28:52.gentleman is out of touch. The act is good for Britain, good for trade

:28:53. > :28:55.unions, good for future working relations.

:28:56. > :29:02.I'm afraid that is all we have time for at the moment. Because of the

:29:03. > :29:05.Parliamentary calendar, the next Scottish questions will be on the

:29:06. > :29:11.6th of July, when we will know the result of that all-important EU

:29:12. > :29:16.referendum. I would imagine that and the fallout from that vote will

:29:17. > :29:17.dominate the next Scottish questions.

:29:18. > :29:22.From all of us, goodbye.