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:00:26. > :00:29.A very warm will come up to it a decidedly wet Westminster for

:00:29. > :00:35.Scottish Questions. Because of the way the parliamentary timetable

:00:35. > :00:41.works, this is the final Scottish Questions of 2012 oz up we will see

:00:41. > :00:44.whether there is any Christmas goodwill on offer. The economy at

:00:44. > :00:51.the Scottish independence referendum have featured

:00:51. > :01:00.prominently. Up here is how proceedings got under way.

:01:00. > :01:03.Questions to the Secretary of State for Scotland. Thank you Mr Speaker.

:01:03. > :01:09.Up the UK Government firmly believes that Scotland is and

:01:09. > :01:12.always will be better off as part of the UK. We are undertaking

:01:12. > :01:18.analysis to see how Scotland contributes to an benefits from

:01:18. > :01:25.being part of the UK. Can I thank the Minister for that answer. I

:01:25. > :01:33.would also like to explain to the House why is so much concern among

:01:33. > :01:38.industries in Scotland about the future of their jobs. As it was in

:01:38. > :01:45.April, there are 15,000 regular armed forces and minis their

:01:45. > :01:50.defence personnel based in Scotland, and that the additional 40,000

:01:50. > :01:57.employed in related industries. Not one of those people could guarantee

:01:57. > :02:01.their jobs under an independent Scotland. The SNP's commitment to a

:02:01. > :02:07.nuclear three Scotland would presumably mean the end of Trident

:02:07. > :02:15.and that would mean the end of 6000 jobs in Scotland. What those be

:02:15. > :02:18.replicated elsewhere are what they simply lose their jobs? I can

:02:18. > :02:24.advise the honourable gentleman that by Twenty20, there will be

:02:24. > :02:28.8000 jobs based at Faslane following the announcement of an

:02:28. > :02:33.additional 1500 jobs by the Secretary of State for Defence.

:02:33. > :02:36.There is no certainty what would happen to anybody employed by the

:02:36. > :02:42.defence under-threes within Scotland under an independent

:02:42. > :02:47.Scotland. -- Industries. The recent list of job announcements and

:02:47. > :02:54.Scotland has been quite remarkable. In the renewable sector, the

:02:54. > :03:00.ministry will no there was �2.3 billion worth of announcements this

:03:00. > :03:03.year and further jobs attached. Each of those decisions have been

:03:03. > :03:13.taking in the sure and certain knowledge that the referendum is

:03:13. > :03:22.

:03:22. > :03:26.coming and independence as likely. -- is likely. LAUGHTER Why are

:03:26. > :03:31.these decisions continuing to be made and why has nobody listening

:03:31. > :03:36.to the scare stories? These investments are taking place

:03:36. > :03:40.despite the uncertainty, not because of it. I tend to agree with

:03:40. > :03:44.the person who gave evidence yesterday to one of the committees

:03:44. > :03:50.of this Parliament, who said they supported benefits of independence

:03:50. > :03:56.are small, 10 years and are likely to arise, while the dangers are

:03:56. > :04:01.large and serious. The Minister mentioned uncertainty but the only

:04:01. > :04:06.uncertainty we have seen as the massive increase in the North Sea

:04:06. > :04:13.supplementary charge. The Government are now making it easier

:04:13. > :04:18.to sack people. As it not the case as another set earlier this year,

:04:18. > :04:23.that in the event of independence, the Scottish government's approach

:04:23. > :04:32.will be to make Scotland more and not less competitive? Is that not

:04:33. > :04:36.the truth, instead of scare stories? When the people of

:04:36. > :04:42.Scotland have a decision on independence in the referendum,

:04:42. > :04:47.they must be sure that that decision is a long-term decision.

:04:47. > :04:52.Independence is not for Christmas 2014, and that the honourable

:04:52. > :04:56.gentleman look at the report, he would see it that an independent

:04:56. > :05:03.Scotland would face much harder decisions than the rest of the UK

:05:03. > :05:09.in the longer term. Are we aware that 30,000 Scots are employed by

:05:09. > :05:15.UK agencies to work as civil servants were in Scotland? --

:05:15. > :05:22.within. What would happen to those jobs that Scotland opted for

:05:22. > :05:27.independence and has there been clarity from the SNP? There has

:05:27. > :05:31.been no discussion between the SNP and the UK Government about the

:05:31. > :05:40.future of defence based jobs in Scotland, or indeed civil-service

:05:40. > :05:50.jobs or any other jobs. Those people face a great uncertainty if

:05:50. > :05:53.

:05:53. > :05:58.Scotland were to become independent. The agreement reached between the

:05:58. > :06:01.United Kingdom and Scotland's governments recognises that a

:06:01. > :06:07.referendum should be based on the normal rules for referenda across

:06:07. > :06:11.the United Kingdom. It is clearly important that all parties respect

:06:11. > :06:15.the independence of the Electoral Commission. Do you agree that if

:06:15. > :06:20.the SNP administration were to ignore the advice of the Electoral

:06:21. > :06:30.Commission, it would take the whole process at column to question

:06:31. > :06:33.

:06:33. > :06:37.whether the referendum was there. - - taint. -- fair. I do not think it

:06:37. > :06:40.would be in the interests of the Scottish government on any

:06:40. > :06:46.nationalists to put themselves against the advice of the Electoral

:06:46. > :06:54.Commission. Does the Minister shared concerns that the referendum

:06:54. > :06:57.question some that it is weighted in favour of a positive outcome?

:06:57. > :07:02.understand the concerns some people have with the particular

:07:02. > :07:07.formulation put forward, but I think the Electoral Commission with

:07:07. > :07:13.its great experience is in the correct position to do the right

:07:13. > :07:19.thing. I am ready to stand by the advice they get and I hope the

:07:19. > :07:23.Scottish government is as well. you except that while the Electoral

:07:23. > :07:30.Commission might be at a full week on occasions, it is necessary to

:07:30. > :07:35.have an impartial body deciding on these questions? The alternative is

:07:35. > :07:39.to have separate arrests as both the referee and player in these

:07:39. > :07:49.circumstances. It is unacceptable to have a side which is arguing on

:07:49. > :07:50.

:07:50. > :07:55.one side also deciding the rules. quite agree with that. He and his

:07:55. > :08:00.colleagues have been carrying out a series of investigations into this

:08:00. > :08:05.on the question of independence. The referendum has to be seen to be

:08:05. > :08:08.fair to both sides. We cannot possibly have circumstances at the

:08:08. > :08:15.end of this process where people are calling into question the

:08:15. > :08:23.outcome. I hope the Scottish government well accept the

:08:23. > :08:26.Electoral Commission's advice. Given that any proposals to extend

:08:27. > :08:32.the franchise to 16 and 17 year- olds is not likely to take into

:08:32. > :08:40.effect until the spring of 2014, will advise be available and how

:08:40. > :08:45.those people should register and vote? She raises at a very

:08:45. > :08:48.important point about the extension of the franchise. This will be a

:08:48. > :08:58.matter for the Scottish government to bring forward their detailed

:08:58. > :08:59.

:08:59. > :09:04.proposals. I imagine the Electoral Commission will outline advice.

:09:04. > :09:10.Given that yesterday in front of the honourable gentleman from the

:09:10. > :09:20.Scottish Affairs Select Committee, the gentleman who gave it evidence

:09:20. > :09:22.

:09:22. > :09:27.on behalf of BES to separation campaign campaign -- yes to

:09:27. > :09:30.separation campaign, what sanctions are there within government foray

:09:30. > :09:39.campaign which blatantly refuse to take the advice of the Electoral

:09:39. > :09:45.Commission? I have to say, this government and its spread assessors

:09:45. > :09:49.have always followed the advice of the Electoral Commission and I

:09:49. > :09:54.would expect the Scottish government to do that as well. --

:09:55. > :10:00.predecessors. The Secretary of State has just asserted once again

:10:00. > :10:05.that no government has ever in -- ignored the advice of the Electoral

:10:05. > :10:11.Commission. Far from ignoring, a Scottish government is yet to

:10:11. > :10:14.receive its advice while his government have rejected the advice

:10:14. > :10:22.on the council tax in England. Could he put the record straight

:10:22. > :10:26.now? I hope I can reassure the honourable gentleman at help him to

:10:26. > :10:33.come down, because it as John Cormack said on television last

:10:33. > :10:41.weekend, for a very referendum that has taken place, the Electoral

:10:41. > :10:46.Commission's advice and question have been accepted. Noah referenda

:10:46. > :10:50.have taken place on the council tax matters he mentioned. We have

:10:50. > :11:00.reflected on the advice and will be bringing forward proposals on that

:11:00. > :11:05.

:11:05. > :11:11.I have all answer questions three and 12 together. This government is

:11:11. > :11:16.committed to promoting United Kingdom businesses including

:11:16. > :11:25.Scotland's around the world. The review is currently being taken

:11:25. > :11:30.under -- on Scottish exporting. Does he agree that as well as

:11:30. > :11:36.promoting business, we also need to support businesses at that time

:11:36. > :11:39.when access to finance is so important? What steps is she taking

:11:39. > :11:43.to work with the Scottish government to ensure prompt payment

:11:43. > :11:50.and in particular, that private sector suppliers are paid and the

:11:50. > :11:54.timely fashion? It is certainly something we as the Government are

:11:54. > :11:59.committed to to ensuring that private sector suppliers are paid

:11:59. > :12:02.on time, to make sure business as sustained and by a happy to work

:12:03. > :12:08.with the Scottish government or anybody else to make sure everyone

:12:08. > :12:14.adheres to best practice. What action is being taken to ensure

:12:14. > :12:19.there is no conflict between Scottish Development and elsewhere

:12:19. > :12:24.when they are using public money to attract companies the north side of

:12:24. > :12:30.the border with a big a character? He underlines the importance of

:12:30. > :12:34.trade between the Scottish and British economies. Up it comes to

:12:34. > :12:44.half the value of what we sell into England, Wales and the rest of the

:12:44. > :12:53.

:12:54. > :12:57.UK. UKTI Has 162 offices in 96 countries. This offers a get

:12:57. > :13:01.network for Scottish business to get the best out of the United

:13:01. > :13:08.Kingdom. I think it is important we work together but it is clear we

:13:08. > :13:12.would be stronger together and weaker apart. As we have seen, the

:13:13. > :13:17.work that is being undertaken here has an impact on Scottish

:13:17. > :13:20.businesses at home and abroad. Can I draw the Secretary of State's

:13:20. > :13:25.attention to the Troubles Scottish businesses are currently

:13:25. > :13:30.experiencing close up unemployment is now higher in Scotland than in

:13:30. > :13:37.the rest of the UK. Recent research reveals a further challenge for the

:13:37. > :13:42.Scottish economy and Scottish businesses also up -- business is

:13:42. > :13:45.also up welfare changes alone will remove Ilott the money from the

:13:46. > :13:55.economy and lead to the loss of jobs across Scotland. What does he

:13:56. > :13:56.

:13:56. > :14:00.Where they share this analysis is that there is a huge mess that

:14:00. > :14:04.needs to be cleared up. There are some deep-seated problems in the UK

:14:04. > :14:09.and Scottish economy is in real problems in Europe. But what she

:14:09. > :14:13.cannot do, what she tries to do every time that she comes to this

:14:13. > :14:19.dispatch box, is to duck Labour's responsibility for what we have

:14:19. > :14:26.inherited. We are hoping that to welfare reform we make work pay.

:14:26. > :14:30.The risk or at -- -- support the most vulnerable and help people

:14:30. > :14:40.back into work. From next April islanders and 62,000 Scots will be

:14:40. > :14:41.

:14:41. > :14:49.taken out of tax altogether. Some colleagues from their Liberal

:14:49. > :14:56.Democrats do not share his views, and Katie asked then to -- and

:14:56. > :14:59.Katie asked them if to give him some more support? The Secretary of

:14:59. > :15:06.State has to start addressing the work his government is doing in

:15:06. > :15:10.Scotland. Earlier this month in a letter to new Secretary of State

:15:10. > :15:15.revealed that he is not on one of the Cabinet committee meetings

:15:15. > :15:21.dealing with the economy or welfare. We had no action on the banks, now

:15:22. > :15:29.no action on Scotland's economy. He does not understand the end Peck of

:15:29. > :15:37.the welfare changes on Scotland. -- the impact. When is he going to

:15:37. > :15:41.start doing his job? I am certainly doing my job. Is he doing his?

:15:41. > :15:46.are going to take no lessons from the Labour Party about the state of

:15:46. > :15:51.the United Kingdom economy. We will deal with the mess that they left

:15:51. > :16:01.us, get us back on the right track, and give ourselves a sustainable

:16:01. > :16:03.

:16:04. > :16:10.growth. Labour had no plan whatsoever. With permission, I will

:16:10. > :16:15.answer questions 4 and 5 together. I have discussed a referendum with

:16:15. > :16:19.the Scottish Government on a number of occasions, most recently on 15th

:16:19. > :16:25.October, when Scotland's two governments came to an agreement to

:16:25. > :16:28.make sure that there is a legal and decisive referendum. Does the

:16:28. > :16:33.Secretary of State's agree with me that one of arguments for a

:16:33. > :16:36.referendum is based on the false premise that independence to be

:16:36. > :16:41.good for the Scottish economy? Does he agree with me that it would be

:16:41. > :16:45.good for the English economy but not for the Scottish economy?

:16:45. > :16:50.certainly agree with my honourable friend that Scotland is stronger as

:16:50. > :16:55.part of the United Kingdom economy and would be weaker outside it.

:16:55. > :17:00.Primarily because we have access to this single market which takes

:17:00. > :17:04.twice as many exports as anywhere else in the world. We have the

:17:04. > :17:10.cloud, internationally, to be at the top table were all the key

:17:10. > :17:13.economic decisions are made. That is far better for Scotland.

:17:14. > :17:16.Does the Secretary of State agree at me that last week we signed

:17:16. > :17:24.example of what happens when you do not listen to the electoral

:17:24. > :17:32.commission, in that the Debach call on the police commissioners's

:17:32. > :17:35.elections -- the disaster. Will the Secretary of State us top to the

:17:35. > :17:39.Scottish Government to make sure that the same disaster does not

:17:39. > :17:42.happen in Scotland has happened last week? And I do not agree with

:17:42. > :17:46.him on the example that he uses, but on the principle that we should

:17:46. > :17:54.listen to their electoral commission and follow his advice, I

:17:54. > :18:04.am in complete agreement with pence. I was not particularly standing on

:18:04. > :18:10.

:18:10. > :18:14.this particular issue. Mr Wisheart, have a go. Thank you, Mr Speaker.

:18:14. > :18:22.Can the Minister confirm that following the end -- the Edinburgh

:18:22. > :18:27.Agreement, the referendum is now a matter are the Scottish parliament

:18:27. > :18:30.and this House has no further role? I know that the honourable

:18:30. > :18:34.gentleman always wants to denigrate the parliament of which he has a

:18:34. > :18:38.part, and I wish he would stop doing that, but a rather important

:18:38. > :18:43.part of that agreement is that we will pass the section 30 order

:18:43. > :18:46.which will transfer the power was to the Scottish Parliament. That

:18:46. > :18:50.one of debates in this place and the other place as well as in the

:18:51. > :18:57.Scottish Parliament. We are all part of this debate and all Scots

:18:57. > :19:01.will be part of that political process. When the Secretary of

:19:01. > :19:11.State does next meet the First Minister will he sure where pen a

:19:11. > :19:11.

:19:11. > :19:16.powerful call by Hillary Clinton, that reminds us that there things

:19:16. > :19:20.that bind us together for a more powerful than any distinctions and

:19:20. > :19:29.identity. Wasn't the institute were does cost studies right to point

:19:29. > :19:34.out that we want to diversify the Scottish economy away from revenue

:19:34. > :19:38.dependence on oil and gas revenues. We need an economy which benefits

:19:38. > :19:47.Scotland and is the likely result of our shared prosperity in the

:19:47. > :19:50.future? The honourable gentleman makes two important points. House

:19:50. > :19:54.senior international figures, when you look at their decision that

:19:54. > :20:01.confronts Scots, time and again say that eight in Scotland would be

:20:01. > :20:08.better as part of the United Kingdom. And it is significant to

:20:09. > :20:12.show Scotland's economy as stronger within the UK. There are far too

:20:12. > :20:22.many noisy conversations taking place, mainly on the opposition

:20:22. > :20:26.benches. Scotland is stronger in defence terms as part of the United

:20:26. > :20:31.Kingdom within Nato. That is the bedrock of our national security

:20:31. > :20:38.and the UK is one of its largest contributors. There is no guarantee

:20:38. > :20:46.that an independent Scotland would gain automatic membership. What

:20:46. > :20:51.discussions has my right honourable friend held with the Scottish

:20:51. > :20:59.Government and discussing Scotland's stance on Natal, given

:20:59. > :21:03.that so many within the government anti- nuclear. It is not clear that

:21:03. > :21:08.the Scottish Government has had any dialogue a tall with Nato about

:21:08. > :21:12.prospective membership. It is clear or that membership could not be

:21:12. > :21:21.guaranteed. The door does not open just because you stand in front of

:21:21. > :21:25.it. The dockyard in my constituency works for the Ministry of Defence

:21:25. > :21:30.and the Royal Navy. Will the Minister clarify whether of

:21:30. > :21:37.Scotland was a separate country, regardless of its Nato membership,

:21:37. > :21:47.the dockyard be not be getting work from the Royal Navy. Mr Speaker,

:21:47. > :21:48.

:21:48. > :21:54.many UK defence contractors benefit from contracts which are exclusive

:21:54. > :21:58.to the UK. Many have been awarded in the honourable member's

:21:58. > :22:07.constituency in there is no guarantee that these contracts

:22:07. > :22:17.would be awarded in an independent Scotland. Does my honourable friend

:22:17. > :22:20.

:22:20. > :22:26.agree that there is an hour problem with saying that there is a an

:22:26. > :22:32.opposition to nuclear weapons and a membership of Nato? I agree. Some

:22:32. > :22:39.members of the Scottish National Party agree with pen. They cannot

:22:39. > :22:42.reconcile their positions. -- with Hearn. But many SNP's continue to

:22:42. > :22:49.sit in government in Scotland where they cannot reconcile those two

:22:49. > :22:54.positions. The United Kingdom government has reduced the deficit

:22:55. > :22:58.by a quarter. We are taking important steps to promote growth

:22:58. > :23:02.and corporation tax, accelerating infrastructure projects and the

:23:02. > :23:07.funding for lending scheme are just some of the measures being

:23:07. > :23:10.implemented. Does the Secretary of State agree with a recent

:23:10. > :23:13.assessment by the Institute of Fiscal Studies that in the event of

:23:13. > :23:18.a separate Scotland the economy will not be sustainable in the long

:23:18. > :23:21.term? I quite agree with the honourable gentleman. We have got a

:23:21. > :23:31.much stronger opportunity to continue as part of the United

:23:31. > :23:35.

:23:35. > :23:37.Kingdom than we do if we go alone separate way. The meat processing

:23:37. > :23:47.factory at Port less than in my constituency has been put up for

:23:47. > :23:52.

:23:52. > :23:56.sale. -- in Aberdeenshire. honourable friend makes an

:23:56. > :24:00.important point. Clearly these had been very important months,

:24:00. > :24:05.particularly for those who had been implied in West Lothian in meat

:24:05. > :24:11.producing, and now we have the sale of the rest of the grip. I would be

:24:11. > :24:21.happy to meet with my honourable friend to discuss the implications.

:24:21. > :24:21.

:24:21. > :24:27.Hopefully we will sustain the jobs that run the company.

:24:27. > :24:31.constituency in Cambuslang have also been affected by a company

:24:31. > :24:37.ceasing operations in Scotland. Those 400 people are obviously very

:24:37. > :24:40.anxious about their future. We do contact the company to make sure

:24:40. > :24:46.that their employees get a guarantee on their position as soon

:24:46. > :24:51.as possible? The honourable gentleman makes a very fair point.

:24:51. > :25:00.How will certainly on his staff have take that up with the company.

:25:00. > :25:09.I will be happy to meet the pen to discuss it further. -- meet with

:25:09. > :25:15.him. The UK government is committed to providing the best high-speed

:25:15. > :25:23.broadband by 2015. The Scottish Government was allocated money to

:25:23. > :25:28.support broadband improvements. It is now in their hands. This

:25:28. > :25:32.Government had allocated over �100 million to Scotland for rural high-

:25:32. > :25:38.speed broadband. Will the Minister please do all that they can to

:25:38. > :25:42.encourage the Scottish Government to get in Avon to make sure that --

:25:42. > :25:48.to get a move on to make sure that there is high-speed broadband in

:25:48. > :25:58.Argyll and Bute as soon as possible. I will encourage these agencies to

:25:58. > :25:58.

:25:58. > :26:03.get on with it in terms of their -- in terms of rural broadband. I am

:26:03. > :26:09.very concerned about all Scotland getting super-fast broadband. As

:26:09. > :26:15.the Minister aware that BT had just announced that they are going to

:26:15. > :26:24.roll-out copper wire into parts of my constituency. It is last

:26:24. > :26:30.century's technology. Could he Totty BT about rolling out fibre-

:26:30. > :26:40.optic wiring across sold Scotland at -- could he talked to be tea.

:26:40. > :26:41.

:26:41. > :26:45.would be happy to discuss this issue. Does the Minister agree that

:26:46. > :26:52.broadband coverage per cent say us to be based on local authority

:26:52. > :26:56.airier rather than national area -- percentages. The Scottish

:26:56. > :26:59.Government has been given �100 million and they should get on with

:26:59. > :27:05.it in his constituency and elsewhere.