:00:30. > :00:33.Hello and welcome to Stormont Today. Coming up: Do the Alliance Party
:00:33. > :00:37.and the Ulster Unionists make a mistake when deciding to leave the
:00:37. > :00:42.Cohesion, Sharing and Integration working group? The Deputy First
:00:43. > :00:51.Minister certainly thinks so. important that the Alliance Party
:00:51. > :00:56.step out of those important discussions. It is better... They
:00:56. > :01:02.might admit they made a mistake. And a bit of advice for a troubled
:01:02. > :01:07.Ulster Unionist Party as well. Ulster Unionist Party themselves
:01:07. > :01:11.need to be involved in a process of Cohesion, Sharing and Integration,
:01:11. > :01:20.considering what we have heard in the last couple of days. Plus
:01:20. > :01:28.accusations of a big following an urgent oral question. There appears
:01:28. > :01:38.to be a bleak in regards confidential... Order, please.
:01:38. > :01:39.
:01:40. > :01:43.regards confidential material from We kick off today with questions to
:01:43. > :01:48.the Deputy First Minister, Martin McGuinness. He was asked about
:01:48. > :01:51.perfect -- public confidence a relating to appointments to the
:01:51. > :01:54.Maze/Long Kesh Development Corporation board. But first he
:01:54. > :01:57.updated the Assembly on the Cohesion, Sharing and Integration
:01:57. > :02:03.strategy and confirmed he expects a report from the working group
:02:03. > :02:09.within the next few weeks. First Minister and I are committed to
:02:09. > :02:16.improving community relations. Breaking forward a robust community
:02:16. > :02:21.relations strategy with a clear framework for action. We very much
:02:21. > :02:24.recognise the importance of translating the Executive's
:02:24. > :02:27.commitment to clear, meaningful action, and we have asked the
:02:27. > :02:36.cross-party working group to conclude its work as a matter of
:02:36. > :02:46.Would he not accept that the actions of himself as Deputy First
:02:46. > :02:46.
:02:46. > :02:50.Minister and, indeed, another minister from his party, are not
:02:50. > :03:00.doing anything to help build community relationships and this
:03:00. > :03:01.
:03:01. > :03:06.needs to be addressed to --? Are I am an Irish republican. All of the
:03:06. > :03:12.commemorations that I attend receive clearance from both the
:03:12. > :03:16.police and the Police Commission. I am only interested in attending
:03:16. > :03:21.commemorations which are within the law. It is absolutely vital on all
:03:21. > :03:29.of us within this House to recognise that we have to abide by
:03:29. > :03:33.the rule of law and I also state people need to abide by the
:03:33. > :03:35.determinations of the Parades Commission. Can I ask the first
:03:35. > :03:43.minister where there any new framework for dealing with parades
:03:43. > :03:48.and protests will be included in the forthcoming strategy? It was
:03:48. > :03:51.very unfortunate that the Alliance Party, which mostly in its
:03:51. > :03:58.contributions to this Assembly, and the workings of the Assembly, has
:03:58. > :04:02.shown itself to be very reflective. It was very important that the
:04:02. > :04:07.Alliance Party stepped out of those important discussions. I think with
:04:07. > :04:11.the benefit of hindsight they might admit they made a mistake. I want
:04:11. > :04:13.to pay tribute to those representatives from my own party,
:04:13. > :04:21.from the Democratic Unionist Party and from the SDLP who have stayed
:04:21. > :04:26.with it. Up until the point where the Alliance Party stepped out, and
:04:26. > :04:31.incomprehensibly to me, the Ulster Unionists stepped out also, and
:04:31. > :04:34.importing significant progress had been made. Even since the
:04:34. > :04:39.Department of the Ulster Unionists and the Alliance Party, more
:04:39. > :04:43.progress has been made and all of these issues that have proved
:04:43. > :04:48.themselves to be difficult in the past have shown themselves during
:04:48. > :04:54.the course of these discussions to be capable of resolution. I said it
:04:54. > :05:02.was incomprehensible of the Ulster Unionist Party to step out. They
:05:02. > :05:08.themselves need to be involved in a crisis of cohesion, sharing and
:05:08. > :05:13.integration, up from what we have heard. Would he have made it that
:05:13. > :05:16.process surrounding the board has been damaged somewhat? -- would he
:05:16. > :05:23.admit. I wonder what steps he would have in mind to try to address this
:05:23. > :05:29.issue. I wonder how people are making an assessment of where
:05:29. > :05:34.public confidence actually lies. I think people are hugely heartened
:05:34. > :05:41.by the fact that the First Minister and myself had the ability to put
:05:41. > :05:47.in place Development Corporation which is truly reflective of our
:05:47. > :05:51.entire mint -- our entire community. People to have the ability to take
:05:52. > :05:57.forward what is probably the prime development site on this island and
:05:57. > :06:03.we have had huge important development with the announcement
:06:03. > :06:09.from Europe of �20 million for the first building complete
:06:09. > :06:13.transformation centre. And also the decision by the Ulster Royal
:06:13. > :06:16.Agricultural Society to construct a building so that it can be up and
:06:17. > :06:21.running for 2013. All of that represents tremendous progress. I
:06:21. > :06:24.also think that there has been some debate in the cause of recent times
:06:25. > :06:29.about the people who were appointed to the board. The people who were
:06:29. > :06:34.appointed to the board of people who have the confidence of the vows
:06:34. > :06:39.and myself. They are people who have been appointed because of
:06:39. > :06:44.their expertise and people who we believe will take forward our
:06:44. > :06:47.objectives of ensuring that the economic and historic and
:06:47. > :06:54.reconciliation potential of that site can be used for the benefit of
:06:54. > :06:59.all our people. After the news that more than 150
:06:59. > :07:02.people will lose their jobs at the troubled sports retailer JJB Sports,
:07:02. > :07:06.and urgent or will question was put to the employment minister, Stephen
:07:06. > :07:11.Farry, asking him what protection is in place for employees here
:07:11. > :07:17.whose jobs are going. My officials have made contact with
:07:17. > :07:22.the administrator, KPMG, primarily due offered to support the
:07:22. > :07:31.employees made redundant. KPMG has advised three stores in Antrim and
:07:31. > :07:39.other places have been sold to sports direct, retaining 65 jobs.
:07:39. > :07:44.Of the employees from the ten stores elsewhere, 154 employees
:07:44. > :07:46.have been made redundant immediately. Ten employees are
:07:46. > :07:53.currently existing the administrator with the closure of
:07:53. > :08:00.the stores. KPMG is writing to each redundant employee tomorrow and has
:08:00. > :08:03.agreed to include details of the redundancy advice service. My
:08:03. > :08:07.officials will subsequently gauge the interests from the employees
:08:07. > :08:12.and will organise redundancy clinics on a reasonable basis if
:08:12. > :08:16.necessary. Employees will have a tenant package of professional
:08:16. > :08:21.advice about the options and support available. Can ask whether
:08:21. > :08:25.he is satisfied that the redundancy advice service he has mentioned is
:08:25. > :08:30.fit for purpose and whether I he feels it may need tailored to suit
:08:30. > :08:34.the needs of people who have found themselves recently out of work.
:08:34. > :08:37.do think my service is certainly fit for purpose, although it is
:08:37. > :08:42.coming under considerable pressure at the moment as we have had a
:08:42. > :08:45.number of redundancies and there is pressure on the staff. Our staff
:08:45. > :08:53.are rising to that challenge and recognise the importance of what
:08:53. > :08:56.they're doing. I think the real importance of moving this forward
:08:56. > :09:06.is trying to work with the employees who find themselves in
:09:06. > :09:10.this situation, to have the skills properly recognise and putting them
:09:10. > :09:15.in contact with all the job opportunities that may be there in
:09:15. > :09:18.the retail sector. Another minister who knows all
:09:18. > :09:23.about the impact of the recession is the finance minister. In
:09:23. > :09:28.Question Time, Sammy Wilson was quizzed about corporation tax and
:09:28. > :09:33.the Treasury negotiations. But here he is first answering a question
:09:33. > :09:43.about unpaid rates. At the end of the financial year 2011 to 2012,
:09:43. > :09:47.the debt was �160.8 million. These figure includes rating of empty
:09:47. > :09:52.homes, which is subject to audit. Those figures he has supplied a
:09:52. > :09:58.quite startling. Does he have any new initiative to ensure that rates
:09:58. > :10:03.are paid, bearing in mind that many ratepayers, in particular in the
:10:03. > :10:07.retail sector, are struggling at this particular time and they do
:10:07. > :10:13.feel very discouraged when they discover that others are not
:10:13. > :10:17.paying? Where people I did not pay, refused to pay or have shown over a
:10:17. > :10:21.period of time they are not going to abide by those arrangements, we
:10:22. > :10:27.will go for court action and lastly, if we have to, we will take people
:10:27. > :10:32.to the point of bankruptcy. When the minister engaged at the start
:10:32. > :10:36.of July, we were assured that the redress system would be put in
:10:36. > :10:40.place within a few days. Can he applied to the house why it took so
:10:40. > :10:47.long for the Ulster Bank compensation scheme to be put in
:10:48. > :10:52.place and whether a measly �20 was a little too late? These have to be
:10:52. > :10:59.worked out with the fact will services authority. I do not know
:10:59. > :11:06.whether they have queries or whether Ulster Bank was slow in
:11:06. > :11:11.bringing the proposals forward. Ultimately, I know some customers
:11:11. > :11:18.are disappointed. Ulster Bank make this point -- I make his point to
:11:18. > :11:22.them, that the longer they delayed, the longer the saw was going to
:11:22. > :11:27.agitate and the more the sort agitated, the angry at the
:11:27. > :11:31.customers were going to get and they would alter money pay the
:11:31. > :11:36.place for that. Considering the devolution of responsibility for
:11:36. > :11:46.corporation tax, it is now in my opinion entering a critical stage
:11:46. > :11:50.of investigations. I remain concerned about the cost currently
:11:50. > :11:55.proposed by Treasury officials which I believe his expensive. The
:11:55. > :12:00.working group is due to meet again on 18th October with a due to
:12:00. > :12:03.resolving outstanding issues and after that, I believe it will be
:12:03. > :12:08.down to a political decision involving the Prime Minister,
:12:08. > :12:12.Deputy Prime Minister and Chancellor of the Exchequer.
:12:12. > :12:15.Next to an Alliance mission looking at the problem small and medium-
:12:15. > :12:18.sized businesses have been accessing bank lending. The party
:12:18. > :12:22.wants the Executive to make sure companies are aware of other
:12:23. > :12:28.sources of finance available be on the banks.
:12:28. > :12:31.We have a range of established SMA is a big potential, yet this
:12:31. > :12:35.potential and enthusiasm is not always matched by its financial
:12:35. > :12:39.backing. Yes, we have a small population but it should not
:12:39. > :12:43.confine our growth or long-term objectives. Key to any progress
:12:43. > :12:47.will be measurable finance available to nurture and grow our
:12:47. > :12:50.private sector from the bottom up. Therefore, I am seeking to
:12:50. > :12:53.highlight where exactly are Executive can use its influence to
:12:53. > :13:02.ensure that our businesses are connected officially to finance
:13:02. > :13:08.sources. I think it is quite clear. In terms of opinions of how the
:13:08. > :13:12.banks in particular have behaved, regardless of what your
:13:12. > :13:21.interpretation of their behaviour is, but they are certainly stifling,
:13:21. > :13:27.if not suffocating, many businesses, in terms of their actions. We need
:13:27. > :13:31.a satisfactory resolution for corporation tax. It could create 50
:13:32. > :13:36.to 60,000 jobs for Northern Ireland. It will assist small and medium-
:13:36. > :13:40.sized businesses to access the export market. We need to ensure
:13:41. > :13:47.young people have the skills and education to compete. We need to
:13:47. > :13:52.encourage people to save. We need more funds, more of our own fans in
:13:52. > :13:58.global markets. That is the long and short of it. Export and export-
:13:58. > :14:08.led growth is the one instrument that could well lead us out of
:14:08. > :14:13.I have returned from a visit to San Francisco to boost trade and
:14:13. > :14:17.investment links. If I was incurred a stand to open a new Office. Are
:14:17. > :14:20.there in April, the Deputy First Minister and myself were in the
:14:21. > :14:25.Middle East and India where we met again and number of companies as
:14:26. > :14:29.well as political leaders, trying, again, to push it into those new
:14:29. > :14:35.areas where we believe there are opportunities. We have appointed
:14:35. > :14:38.somebody to take for words important work and someone in a
:14:38. > :14:42.Brussels office to invest in Northern Ireland. I do believe that
:14:42. > :14:46.MLAs do need to be very much doing their part to let companies in
:14:46. > :14:49.their own region know what is available to them and I am happen
:14:49. > :14:53.these -- and I am happy to work with MLAs and getting the
:14:53. > :14:56.information they need. information they need.
:14:56. > :14:59.The deputy minister Arlene Foster. Joining me now is Stewart Dixon
:14:59. > :15:03.from the Alliance Party. When he reassured by what the minister had
:15:04. > :15:07.to say? I was, and there was an interesting debate today on the
:15:07. > :15:12.whole issue of how the finance her small and medium-sized enterprise
:15:12. > :15:15.and businesses in Northern Ireland. And a great deal of unanimity in
:15:15. > :15:18.Northern Ireland. The executive has Northern Ireland. The executive has
:15:18. > :15:27.clearly set out a strategy, we have had extreme difficulties with the
:15:27. > :15:30.banking sector, as you know. And yet, be set today shows that over
:15:30. > :15:35.61% of small business enterprises in Northern Ireland are actually
:15:35. > :15:38.satisfied with the services and the loans they are getting from banks.
:15:38. > :15:42.Could the assembly and executive be doing more to help those smaller
:15:42. > :15:45.businesses? Particularly start-up businesses, which really struggle,
:15:45. > :15:50.perhaps more than other more established businesses to access
:15:50. > :15:53.cash. Of course you can always do better, and it is complicated,
:15:53. > :15:58.there are a whole plethora of mechanisms that small businesses
:15:58. > :16:02.have to go through, whether it is looking for funding from local
:16:02. > :16:07.enterprise agencies, looking for the funding from the bank or from
:16:07. > :16:11.invest a Northern Ireland or one of the other bodies and I have just
:16:11. > :16:15.made a few, and are simply too many of them. The path we through that
:16:16. > :16:19.is very complicated, when at the same time, you are trying to get
:16:19. > :16:22.your new business up and running. When you are trying to go have
:16:22. > :16:26.recruit employees, when you are trying to deal with people who want
:16:26. > :16:29.to help you or -- who want to help you if market your business. It is
:16:29. > :16:35.very difficult to define for Redpath way through to source that
:16:35. > :16:40.funding. But I am convinced that the second and the minister, praise
:16:40. > :16:44.were it is due, the minister -- has worked very hard to attend to help
:16:44. > :16:48.small businesses identify those resources.
:16:48. > :16:52.Can I ask about another issue which has caused a few eyebrows to be
:16:52. > :16:56.raised? That is the Alliance Party's position or positions,
:16:56. > :17:01.perhaps more accurately, on yesterday's a vote on gay marriage.
:17:01. > :17:07.Your party's policy is to support the change. One of your members
:17:07. > :17:11.voted against and three abstained. What were they doing? The Alliance
:17:11. > :17:17.Party has a very clear policy in relation to the quality in marriage,
:17:17. > :17:20.we determined that when the party council, after a likely period of
:17:20. > :17:23.consideration with -- consideration of the matter came to that
:17:23. > :17:28.consideration at the post on the matter yesterday in a boat in the
:17:28. > :17:32.assembly which was clearly a significant vote but one which in
:17:32. > :17:37.reality will bring best forward in Northern Ireland. A half of your
:17:37. > :17:42.assembly team did not vote in support of the party policy.
:17:42. > :17:47.member voted against and other members were not present. They did
:17:47. > :17:51.not vote. That set out a mixed message here electorate, we now
:17:51. > :17:53.have people in east Belfast to have started a petition to protest the
:17:53. > :17:58.fact that two of their representatives who they think
:17:58. > :18:03.should be leading change, did not do so yesterday. Didn't demonstrate
:18:03. > :18:05.that desire to change. Even though the party voted for it as its
:18:06. > :18:10.policy, they are party members who struggle with that find it
:18:10. > :18:16.difficult to support that had taken a policy and that the stage
:18:16. > :18:20.individual MLAs. At you are off to Bosnia in the morning? I am, I am
:18:20. > :18:23.going as an election monitor and representing Northern Ireland.
:18:23. > :18:28.Have a safe track and thank you for turning us.
:18:28. > :18:32.It has been a busy few days for the education minister. Despite facing
:18:32. > :18:37.questions yesterday, Mr without appeared at the despatch box today
:18:37. > :18:42.to answer an urgent oral question from the DUP on how much an
:18:42. > :18:45.upcoming advertising campaign aimed average is costing his department.
:18:45. > :18:51.There is no aspect of the medication works campaign that has
:18:51. > :18:57.been taken forward in Irish only. Met all parts of the campaign have
:18:57. > :19:01.also been taken forward in English. Any advertising undertaken by
:19:01. > :19:06.department that -- by the department is taken bilingual. This
:19:06. > :19:10.policy was run prior to the participation in the campaign, and
:19:10. > :19:13.the decision to run the campaign in Irish is in keeping with
:19:14. > :19:18.departmental policy. This is part of her policy to address
:19:18. > :19:27.educational achievement among young people, and doing it for the medium
:19:27. > :19:34.of Irish and English. The department has a duty to facilitate
:19:34. > :19:40.Irish and English language. The Irish language adverts composers
:19:40. > :19:43.approximately 10% of the air time of the English version. We have
:19:43. > :19:50.stopped the assembly as that of the day to bring this important matter
:19:50. > :19:54.of cost to the forefront, so members may watch to setback in
:19:54. > :20:02.their seats and absorb the cost. The cost of the television slots
:20:02. > :20:12.for the adverts to be aired in Irish during the first week of
:20:12. > :20:14.
:20:14. > :20:17.October is �4,360. Or order! This is what we have stopped assembly
:20:17. > :20:25.business for. The additional the production cost for the Irish
:20:25. > :20:29.version of the advert was 4283p. So for approximately �1,600, the
:20:29. > :20:37.assembly has had to be stopped, all this the set-aside and the
:20:37. > :20:42.Government put on hold, stop the presses. -- �8,600. The Irish
:20:42. > :20:46.version of the advertisement was had -- was given to clear pass to
:20:46. > :20:51.give broadcasters advice on the best quotes a practice. No legal
:20:51. > :20:58.issues were raised. That is no legal issues were raised by either
:20:58. > :21:05.the broadcasters or clear cast. Legal advice was not required or
:21:05. > :21:15.sought. These are advertisements which are exclusively in Irish, can
:21:15. > :21:16.
:21:16. > :21:21.the Minister outlined the fact... Order! Car and the outline the fact
:21:21. > :21:24.that he is bound by the ministerial code which indicates that any
:21:24. > :21:30.matter which is significant or controversial should be considered
:21:30. > :21:34.by the executors? Can also that it states that no expenditure can be
:21:34. > :21:40.properly incurred without the approval of the Department of
:21:40. > :21:44.Finance and Personnel? Won at -- are both those positions an
:21:44. > :21:54.accurate depiction of the facts of the matter in the course of the
:21:54. > :21:55.
:21:55. > :22:02.past few weeks I have acted in full compliance of the Ministerial Code,
:22:02. > :22:05.and all ministers have to comply with the ministerial code.
:22:05. > :22:10.member has a pointed out to me, unless I missed it, as to whether
:22:10. > :22:15.it reached the ministerial code. Had taken all necessary processes
:22:15. > :22:20.and procedures in procuring the advertisement which is to be
:22:20. > :22:27.broadcast in both Irish and English and while Mr Campbell may have
:22:27. > :22:31.nothing else to do than worry about the expenditure of �8,000 I am sure
:22:31. > :22:35.the members of the public are saying, I am sure the assembly has
:22:35. > :22:40.more important things to be debating that the expenditure of
:22:40. > :22:46.�8,000. But if the member wishes to be more specific, if the member
:22:46. > :22:48.wishes to be more specific on the area of the ministerial code and a
:22:48. > :22:54.breach in Irish or English I am more than happy to answer his
:22:54. > :22:59.question, but to date he has not. I am concerned on the matter, and
:22:59. > :23:05.concerned in one matter which I will be bringing to the head of the
:23:05. > :23:11.Civil Service, it appears to have been awake from the department of
:23:11. > :23:16.finance and personnel to the member with regards to the financial...
:23:16. > :23:19.order! In regards to confidential material from one minister to
:23:20. > :23:23.another minister. Perhaps Mr Campbell would like to take the
:23:23. > :23:27.opportunity to tell the House now has to where she came upon the
:23:27. > :23:35.confidential information which he refers to both in his statement and
:23:35. > :23:41.this morning. Members! Members! Can I ask for good temper and
:23:41. > :23:47.moderation in all that you do, please deputy speaker right decks
:23:47. > :23:52.trying to calm things down. Education was very much in the for
:23:52. > :23:58.today as MLAs debated a second Education issued on the floor. This
:23:58. > :24:03.time it was levels of absenteeism in our schools. Many children are
:24:03. > :24:10.missing more than one day in seven and falling significantly behind in
:24:10. > :24:14.the classroom because of that. This in turn can lead to low self-esteem,
:24:14. > :24:17.and increases the likelihood that students will drop out of school.
:24:17. > :24:21.by the time children reach secondary school it becomes more
:24:21. > :24:26.difficult for parents and schools to get the non attenders to school.
:24:26. > :24:30.The majority of parents whose children are taken to court for bad
:24:30. > :24:34.attendance have children in year 10 or 11. This point it is too late.
:24:34. > :24:39.Those most likely to drop out of school will enter into it adults
:24:39. > :24:44.that presenting other social issues, will stop they will engage in anti-
:24:44. > :24:51.social behaviour, petty crime and vandalism. The good school policy
:24:51. > :24:54.has already been referred to, one question was, where these
:24:54. > :24:58.children's parents taking an active interest in education? I believe
:24:58. > :25:01.there is a role for community leaders and politicians in this
:25:01. > :25:05.area for raising high expectation. We as community leaders have a
:25:05. > :25:09.responsibility. We must encourage her young people to do well in
:25:09. > :25:14.Education. We must equip them to do well in education. I'm not sure we
:25:14. > :25:17.always do that. John O'Dowd. Up panel investigating historical
:25:17. > :25:26.institutional abuse appear before the war offend DSM committee last
:25:26. > :25:30.week. The inquiry is examining abuse allegations in care homes and
:25:30. > :25:33.borstals or very long period of time. Committee members expedience
:25:33. > :25:41.concerns of at the start date and had the rights of victims of non
:25:41. > :25:47.institutional abuse will be met. Are you intending to make no new
:25:47. > :25:51.headquarters? We will make the headquarters known to those who
:25:51. > :25:59.have reason to contact us. It is still in the centre of Belfast,
:25:59. > :26:05.still easily accessible. We are anxious it should remain relatively
:26:05. > :26:15.anonymous so those who want to come are not perhaps stigmatised in the
:26:15. > :26:18.eyes of others by being picked it. We do not intend to pick a big sign
:26:18. > :26:23.outside. The possibility of bringing up an interim report, I am
:26:23. > :26:30.interested in Europe -- interested in your views in the context of a
:26:30. > :26:38.situation where quick early in the inquiry, each year and Japan will,
:26:38. > :26:42.this is so awful that there is such Meikleour need for intervention.
:26:42. > :26:48.there is such a clear need for intervention. Do you see no need to
:26:48. > :26:57.wait until the end to make a call came at what is your view? I am
:26:57. > :27:03.still of the year that I expressed on Fourth of July, we are still in
:27:03. > :27:06.the midst of producing interim reports. We will have to wait until
:27:06. > :27:10.we have received all the information we can. We understand
:27:10. > :27:17.the concerns of those who wish to see the scope of the inquiry
:27:17. > :27:21.extended to include abuse outside institutions, but I have to say
:27:21. > :27:28.that as far as the scope of our inquiry is concerned, and less
:27:28. > :27:32.stress our inquiry, we do not support that. Let me explain why.
:27:32. > :27:42.If, for example, we were tasks with considering issues involving abuse
:27:42. > :27:42.
:27:42. > :27:47.in foster care or in schools or in families this would have enormous
:27:47. > :27:51.implications for the scope of her work, the scope of the inquiry. It
:27:52. > :27:59.would require first of all a complete restructuring of the way
:27:59. > :28:05.we're going to go about our work and that in turn would require much
:28:05. > :28:09.greater resources in terms of money and of staff. All of this would
:28:09. > :28:15.certainly mean that the inquiry would take a very much longer to
:28:15. > :28:21.produce its report. What are the implications for potential
:28:21. > :28:27.subsequent criminal proceedings? are prohibited from making any
:28:27. > :28:34.findings regarding civil or criminal liability. As the law
:28:34. > :28:40.presently stands, if it were to be litigation afterwards, the findings
:28:40. > :28:46.of the inquiry would not be admissible as a matter of law.
:28:46. > :28:53.Because it is not a court, it is an inquiry. It is perhaps appropriate
:28:53. > :28:57.that I take this opportunity to say this, we are alleged to the
:28:57. > :29:04.possibility that people may say things to us which indicate that
:29:04. > :29:11.criminal offences have been committed. We will have no
:29:11. > :29:15.hesitation in making known to the police were that his our legal duty.
:29:15. > :29:19.And indeed we have already opened discussion with the PSNI as to how
:29:19. > :29:25.we can do that if that should happen. Because there will be no
:29:25. > :29:32.question of us first of all ignoring such matters. And secondly,
:29:32. > :29:36.we would, I think, have to give way, because my view is that the public
:29:36. > :29:40.interest is best served by those matters being investigated by the
:29:40. > :29:45.police and not by us. So at the heart, the chair of the