05/03/2013

:00:26. > :00:29.Hello and welcome to Stormont Today. Hello and welcome to Stormont Today.

:00:29. > :00:30.Hello and welcome to Stormont Today. Coming up on the programme:

:00:30. > :00:31.Coming up on the programme: Unionists and nationalists clash

:00:31. > :00:33.Unionists and nationalists clash Unionists and nationalists clash

:00:33. > :00:34.over the First Minister's comments on policing.

:00:34. > :00:35.on policing. on policing.

:00:35. > :00:36.on policing. We'll be hearing both sides of the

:00:36. > :00:38.argument. argument.

:00:38. > :00:39.argument. And, find out why the former

:00:39. > :00:40.And, find out why the former broadcaster Mike Nesbitt ditched

:00:40. > :00:47.broadcaster Mike Nesbitt ditched broadcaster Mike Nesbitt ditched

:00:47. > :00:48.the script at question time. thank the...

:00:48. > :00:49.thank the... thank the...

:00:49. > :00:50.The Detail's Steven McCaffery will The Detail's Steven McCaffery will

:00:50. > :00:51.The Detail's Steven McCaffery will The Detail's Steven McCaffery will

:00:51. > :00:52.be here with his analysis of the be here with his analysis of the

:00:52. > :01:02.be here with his analysis of the day's political stories here on the

:01:02. > :01:03.

:01:03. > :01:04.day's political stories here on the A relatively quiet day inside the

:01:04. > :01:04.A relatively quiet day inside the A relatively quiet day inside the

:01:04. > :01:06.Stormont chamber didn't stop our Stormont chamber didn't stop our

:01:06. > :01:07.Stormont chamber didn't stop our MLAs from making plenty of noise

:01:07. > :01:08.outside it. outside it.

:01:08. > :01:09.outside it. The issue most exercising them was

:01:09. > :01:10.The issue most exercising them was The issue most exercising them was

:01:10. > :01:11.a claim by the First Minister, a claim by the First Minister,

:01:11. > :01:12.a claim by the First Minister, Peter Robinson, that sections of

:01:12. > :01:13.Peter Robinson, that sections of Peter Robinson, that sections of

:01:13. > :01:14.unionism were losing confidence in unionism were losing confidence in

:01:14. > :01:15.the police's impartiality. the police's impartiality.

:01:15. > :01:18.the police's impartiality. Mr Robinson's suggestion has been

:01:18. > :01:19.Mr Robinson's suggestion has been angrily rejected by nationalists.

:01:19. > :01:19.angrily rejected by nationalists. angrily rejected by nationalists.

:01:20. > :01:21.We'll be getting political reaction We'll be getting political reaction

:01:21. > :01:21.We'll be getting political reaction We'll be getting political reaction

:01:21. > :01:23.in a moment, but first The Detail's in a moment, but first The Detail's

:01:24. > :01:25.Steven McCaffery is here. Steven McCaffery is here.

:01:25. > :01:26.Steven McCaffery is here. Steven, we'll be hearing from the

:01:26. > :01:27.Steven, we'll be hearing from the Steven, we'll be hearing from the

:01:27. > :01:28.politicians in a moment, but first politicians in a moment, but first

:01:28. > :01:29.politicians in a moment, but first politicians in a moment, but first

:01:29. > :01:32.just remind us how this row arose just remind us how this row arose

:01:32. > :01:34.just remind us how this row arose in the first place. The whole

:01:34. > :01:35.in the first place. The whole in the first place. The whole

:01:35. > :01:36.crisis around parades has been crisis around parades has been

:01:36. > :01:37.crisis around parades has been running for some months now. Police

:01:37. > :01:41.running for some months now. Police running for some months now. Police

:01:41. > :01:42.have been the subject of criticism have been the subject of criticism

:01:42. > :01:43.from Republicans and nationalists from Republicans and nationalists

:01:43. > :01:45.from Republicans and nationalists and on other occasions from

:01:45. > :01:46.and on other occasions from and on other occasions from

:01:46. > :01:47.unionists. This incident came to unionists. This incident came to

:01:48. > :01:49.head because unionists raised head because unionists raised

:01:49. > :01:53.head because unionists raised concerns over the most recent set

:01:53. > :01:55.concerns over the most recent set concerns over the most recent set

:01:55. > :01:56.of police tactics and appearance in of police tactics and appearance in

:01:56. > :01:57.of police tactics and appearance in court of two people prominent in

:01:57. > :01:59.court of two people prominent in court of two people prominent in

:01:59. > :02:01.the protest and a court appearance the protest and a court appearance

:02:01. > :02:02.the protest and a court appearance by a prominent Republican the fact

:02:02. > :02:04.by a prominent Republican the fact by a prominent Republican the fact

:02:04. > :02:06.that one person was allowed to that one person was allowed to

:02:06. > :02:08.that one person was allowed to benefit from bail and two didn't

:02:08. > :02:10.benefit from bail and two didn't benefit from bail and two didn't

:02:10. > :02:11.receive bail. Obviously, fed into receive bail. Obviously, fed into

:02:11. > :02:12.receive bail. Obviously, fed into some fresh criticism from most

:02:12. > :02:13.some fresh criticism from most some fresh criticism from most

:02:13. > :02:14.prominently from the First Minister, prominently from the First Minister,

:02:14. > :02:16.prominently from the First Minister, Peter Robinson. I think, that on

:02:16. > :02:17.Peter Robinson. I think, that on Peter Robinson. I think, that on

:02:17. > :02:18.the one hand, people accept that the one hand, people accept that

:02:18. > :02:18.the one hand, people accept that the one hand, people accept that

:02:19. > :02:20.the police have to be open to the police have to be open to

:02:20. > :02:21.the police have to be open to criticism. The courts have to be

:02:21. > :02:21.criticism. The courts have to be criticism. The courts have to be

:02:21. > :02:22.open to criticism that politicians open to criticism that politicians

:02:22. > :02:23.open to criticism that politicians should be free to make that

:02:24. > :02:24.should be free to make that should be free to make that

:02:25. > :02:26.criticism. There is a feeling that criticism. There is a feeling that

:02:26. > :02:27.criticism. There is a feeling that criticism. There is a feeling that

:02:27. > :02:28.perhaps the DUP have gone for the perhaps the DUP have gone for the

:02:28. > :02:29.perhaps the DUP have gone for the nuclear option and some surprise

:02:29. > :02:30.nuclear option and some surprise nuclear option and some surprise

:02:30. > :02:32.it's Peter Robinson making the it's Peter Robinson making the

:02:32. > :02:33.it's Peter Robinson making the comments and framing them around

:02:33. > :02:35.comments and framing them around comments and framing them around

:02:35. > :02:37.the wider issue in confidence on policing.

:02:37. > :02:37.policing. policing.

:02:37. > :02:38.Well let's hear from the Well let's hear from the

:02:39. > :02:40.politicians themselves now. politicians themselves now.

:02:40. > :02:41.Our political editor, Mark Our political editor, Mark

:02:41. > :02:42.Our political editor, Mark Devenport, first caught up with the

:02:42. > :02:43.Devenport, first caught up with the Devenport, first caught up with the

:02:43. > :02:44.Chair of the Justice Committee, the Chair of the Justice Committee, the

:02:44. > :02:45.Chair of the Justice Committee, the Chair of the Justice Committee, the

:02:45. > :02:46.DUP's Paul Givan, and asked him if DUP's Paul Givan, and asked him if

:02:46. > :02:47.DUP's Paul Givan, and asked him if his party now accepts Matt

:02:47. > :02:48.his party now accepts Matt his party now accepts Matt

:02:48. > :02:50.Baggott's assurance that there is Baggott's assurance that there is

:02:50. > :02:50.Baggott's assurance that there is Baggott's assurance that there is

:02:50. > :02:52.no bias. I welcome him dealing with no bias. I welcome him dealing with

:02:52. > :02:53.no bias. I welcome him dealing with no bias. I welcome him dealing with

:02:53. > :02:54.this publicly. What I would like to this publicly. What I would like to

:02:54. > :02:56.this publicly. What I would like to see is the police explaining the

:02:56. > :02:57.see is the police explaining the see is the police explaining the

:02:58. > :02:59.rational for how they police rational for how they police

:02:59. > :03:01.loyalist protest compared to loyalist protest compared to

:03:01. > :03:02.republican protests. They use republican protests. They use

:03:02. > :03:03.different tactics. The republican different tactics. The republican

:03:03. > :03:04.different tactics. The republican protest over the weekend had no

:03:04. > :03:06.protest over the weekend had no protest over the weekend had no

:03:06. > :03:08.police presence there. They watched police presence there. They watched

:03:08. > :03:09.police presence there. They watched police presence there. They watched

:03:09. > :03:11.it from a helicopter. One that took it from a helicopter. One that took

:03:11. > :03:13.it from a helicopter. One that took place in Carrick had more police

:03:13. > :03:14.place in Carrick had more police officers there than protesters.

:03:14. > :03:15.officers there than protesters. officers there than protesters.

:03:15. > :03:16.Matt Baggott needs to explain this Matt Baggott needs to explain this

:03:17. > :03:18.Matt Baggott needs to explain this so people don't continue this

:03:18. > :03:19.so people don't continue this alienation where the loyalist

:03:19. > :03:20.alienation where the loyalist alienation where the loyalist

:03:20. > :03:22.community are feeling they are community are feeling they are

:03:22. > :03:23.community are feeling they are being victimised by the police. It

:03:23. > :03:24.being victimised by the police. It being victimised by the police. It

:03:24. > :03:26.being victimised by the police. It is important we don't allow that to

:03:26. > :03:27.is important we don't allow that to is important we don't allow that to

:03:27. > :03:31.resonate within that community. resonate within that community.

:03:31. > :03:33.resonate within that community. moved on to the policing approach.

:03:33. > :03:35.moved on to the policing approach. moved on to the policing approach.

:03:35. > :03:37.The initial complaint was about The initial complaint was about

:03:38. > :03:39.different bail conditions in different bail conditions in

:03:39. > :03:40.different bail conditions in different cases. Aren't you fudging

:03:40. > :03:41.different cases. Aren't you fudging different cases. Aren't you fudging

:03:41. > :03:42.different cases. Aren't you fudging it in the way the judiciary is

:03:42. > :03:44.it in the way the judiciary is it in the way the judiciary is

:03:44. > :03:45.coming into account now? The police coming into account now? The police

:03:45. > :03:46.coming into account now? The police will make recommendation to the

:03:46. > :03:46.will make recommendation to the will make recommendation to the

:03:46. > :03:48.Public Prosecution Service as to Public Prosecution Service as to

:03:48. > :03:49.Public Prosecution Service as to whether they support bail or would

:03:49. > :03:49.whether they support bail or would whether they support bail or would

:03:49. > :03:50.whether they support bail or would oppose bail. The police do have an

:03:51. > :03:52.oppose bail. The police do have an oppose bail. The police do have an

:03:52. > :03:53.influence in respect of that. It's influence in respect of that. It's

:03:53. > :03:54.influence in respect of that. It's important that they explain the

:03:54. > :03:55.important that they explain the important that they explain the

:03:55. > :03:56.important that they explain the position that is they take. I think

:03:56. > :03:57.position that is they take. I think position that is they take. I think

:03:58. > :03:59.the judiciary and the courts also the judiciary and the courts also

:03:59. > :04:00.the judiciary and the courts also have a role to explain their

:04:00. > :04:00.have a role to explain their have a role to explain their

:04:01. > :04:02.have a role to explain their decisions in all of this and show

:04:02. > :04:02.decisions in all of this and show decisions in all of this and show

:04:02. > :04:04.decisions in all of this and show the public how they operate and why

:04:04. > :04:04.the public how they operate and why the public how they operate and why

:04:04. > :04:05.the public how they operate and why they take the decision that is they

:04:05. > :04:08.they take the decision that is they they take the decision that is they

:04:08. > :04:09.do so that people can fully understand it.

:04:09. > :04:10.understand it. understand it.

:04:10. > :04:11.Mark Devenport has also been Mark Devenport has also been

:04:11. > :04:13.Mark Devenport has also been speaking to the Ulster Unionist MLA,

:04:13. > :04:13.Tom Elliott. Tom Elliott.

:04:14. > :04:15.Tom Elliott. Mark asked him if politicians

:04:15. > :04:16.Mark asked him if politicians Mark asked him if politicians

:04:16. > :04:18.should be second guessing the should be second guessing the

:04:18. > :04:19.should be second guessing the judiciary and the police. We are

:04:19. > :04:20.judiciary and the police. We are judiciary and the police. We are

:04:20. > :04:21.not second guessing the judiciary not second guessing the judiciary

:04:21. > :04:22.not second guessing the judiciary not second guessing the judiciary

:04:22. > :04:23.at this stage. We heard what they at this stage. We heard what they

:04:23. > :04:24.at this stage. We heard what they have said. They have refused bail

:04:24. > :04:25.have said. They have refused bail have said. They have refused bail

:04:25. > :04:28.have said. They have refused bail to a number of people and given

:04:28. > :04:29.to a number of people and given to a number of people and given

:04:29. > :04:31.to a number of people and given bail to two others. It almost seems

:04:32. > :04:33.bail to two others. It almost seems bail to two others. It almost seems

:04:33. > :04:34.to be unexplainable. Quie clearly to be unexplainable. Quie clearly

:04:34. > :04:35.to be unexplainable. Quie clearly some people are being charged with

:04:35. > :04:36.some people are being charged with some people are being charged with

:04:36. > :04:38.very serious offences, some of them very serious offences, some of them

:04:38. > :04:40.very serious offences, some of them in connection with a murder, they

:04:40. > :04:41.in connection with a murder, they in connection with a murder, they

:04:41. > :04:42.get bail, and others, who are get bail, and others, who are

:04:42. > :04:43.get bail, and others, who are involved in street protests, what

:04:43. > :04:44.involved in street protests, what involved in street protests, what

:04:44. > :04:47.involved in street protests, what seems to be a pretty minor offence,

:04:47. > :04:48.seems to be a pretty minor offence, seems to be a pretty minor offence,

:04:48. > :04:50.don't get bail. There is an don't get bail. There is an

:04:50. > :04:51.explanation required, certainly to explanation required, certainly to

:04:51. > :04:52.explanation required, certainly to me, to the broad unionist community

:04:52. > :04:55.me, to the broad unionist community me, to the broad unionist community

:04:55. > :04:56.around why the difference is in around why the difference is in

:04:56. > :04:57.around why the difference is in around why the difference is in

:04:57. > :04:59.that. That is the reason I have that. That is the reason I have

:04:59. > :05:00.that. That is the reason I have that. That is the reason I have

:05:00. > :05:01.asked for a meeting for the Lord asked for a meeting for the Lord

:05:01. > :05:02.asked for a meeting for the Lord Chief Justice and the Justice

:05:02. > :05:03.Chief Justice and the Justice Chief Justice and the Justice

:05:03. > :05:04.Minister to get an explanation Minister to get an explanation

:05:04. > :05:05.Minister to get an explanation around that. Aren't you on a

:05:05. > :05:06.around that. Aren't you on a around that. Aren't you on a

:05:06. > :05:08.slippery slope? You could end up slippery slope? You could end up

:05:08. > :05:09.slippery slope? You could end up with a situation where the

:05:09. > :05:10.with a situation where the judiciary far from being

:05:10. > :05:11.judiciary far from being judiciary far from being

:05:12. > :05:13.independent will have to bear in independent will have to bear in

:05:13. > :05:16.independent will have to bear in mind, will there be a political

:05:16. > :05:18.mind, will there be a political mind, will there be a political

:05:18. > :05:20.mind, will there be a political campaign pushing us one way or the

:05:20. > :05:21.campaign pushing us one way or the campaign pushing us one way or the

:05:21. > :05:22.other pushing on these decisions? other pushing on these decisions?

:05:22. > :05:23.other pushing on these decisions? other pushing on these decisions?

:05:23. > :05:24.There has been a campaign for some There has been a campaign for some

:05:24. > :05:25.There has been a campaign for some time. Sinn Fein members have put

:05:25. > :05:26.time. Sinn Fein members have put time. Sinn Fein members have put

:05:26. > :05:27.pressure on where they are saying pressure on where they are saying

:05:27. > :05:29.pressure on where they are saying some of their people and their

:05:29. > :05:29.some of their people and their some of their people and their

:05:30. > :05:31.members aren't guilty of certain members aren't guilty of certain

:05:31. > :05:32.members aren't guilty of certain offences. They need to be released

:05:32. > :05:33.offences. They need to be released offences. They need to be released

:05:33. > :05:35.offences. They need to be released asap. You are trying to do the

:05:35. > :05:35.asap. You are trying to do the asap. You are trying to do the

:05:35. > :05:37.same? There is pressure there same? There is pressure there

:05:37. > :05:38.same? There is pressure there within the judiciary. I'm trying to

:05:38. > :05:39.within the judiciary. I'm trying to within the judiciary. I'm trying to

:05:39. > :05:40.within the judiciary. I'm trying to get a balance on this. I'm trying

:05:41. > :05:41.get a balance on this. I'm trying get a balance on this. I'm trying

:05:41. > :05:42.to establish whether the judiciary to establish whether the judiciary

:05:42. > :05:43.to establish whether the judiciary is coming from, where the judges

:05:44. > :05:44.is coming from, where the judges is coming from, where the judges

:05:45. > :05:46.and police are coming from. It and police are coming from. It

:05:46. > :05:46.and police are coming from. It and police are coming from. It

:05:47. > :05:48.hasn't been explained to me. I know hasn't been explained to me. I know

:05:48. > :05:49.that republicans are putting that republicans are putting

:05:49. > :05:50.that republicans are putting that republicans are putting

:05:50. > :05:54.pressure on them. It's up to me to pressure on them. It's up to me to

:05:54. > :05:55.pressure on them. It's up to me to ask those questions as well.

:05:55. > :05:56.ask those questions as well. ask those questions as well.

:05:56. > :05:57.ask those questions as well. With me now is the SDLP MLA and

:05:57. > :06:02.With me now is the SDLP MLA and Policing Board member, Conall

:06:02. > :06:03.McDevitt. McDevitt.

:06:03. > :06:04.McDevitt. What is wrong with unionist

:06:04. > :06:05.What is wrong with unionist What is wrong with unionist

:06:05. > :06:06.politicians, among them the First politicians, among them the First

:06:06. > :06:08.Minister, talking publicly about Minister, talking publicly about

:06:08. > :06:09.Minister, talking publicly about Minister, talking publicly about

:06:09. > :06:10.what they regard as a perception of what they regard as a perception of

:06:10. > :06:11.what they regard as a perception of uneven policing in the community

:06:11. > :06:12.uneven policing in the community uneven policing in the community

:06:12. > :06:13.they represent? That is not what they represent? That is not what

:06:13. > :06:15.they represent? That is not what Peter Robinson said. He said he

:06:15. > :06:16.Peter Robinson said. He said he Peter Robinson said. He said he

:06:16. > :06:17.believed policing is biased. Peter believed policing is biased. Peter

:06:17. > :06:19.believed policing is biased. Peter Robinson is First Minister of

:06:19. > :06:20.Robinson is First Minister of Robinson is First Minister of

:06:20. > :06:21.Northern Ireland because of the Northern Ireland because of the

:06:21. > :06:22.Northern Ireland because of the Good Friday Agreement. He accepts

:06:22. > :06:23.Good Friday Agreement. He accepts Good Friday Agreement. He accepts

:06:23. > :06:26.and works the institutions of the and works the institutions of the

:06:26. > :06:26.Good Friday Agreement. Amongst Good Friday Agreement. Amongst

:06:26. > :06:28.Good Friday Agreement. Amongst those institutions are an operation

:06:28. > :06:28.those institutions are an operation those institutions are an operation

:06:28. > :06:29.Ali independent police service. A Ali independent police service. A

:06:29. > :06:32.Ali independent police service. A Policing Board that is there to

:06:32. > :06:33.Policing Board that is there to Policing Board that is there to

:06:33. > :06:34.hold the police to account. A hold the police to account. A

:06:34. > :06:35.hold the police to account. A fundamental tenant of that new

:06:35. > :06:36.fundamental tenant of that new fundamental tenant of that new

:06:36. > :06:39.beginning to police something that beginning to police something that

:06:39. > :06:40.beginning to police something that beginning to police something that

:06:40. > :06:41.we will never again allow -- allow we will never again allow -- allow

:06:41. > :06:42.for political intervention or for political intervention or

:06:42. > :06:43.for political intervention or political addressing of policing. I

:06:43. > :06:44.political addressing of policing. I political addressing of policing. I

:06:44. > :06:46.know, the vast majority of people know, the vast majority of people

:06:46. > :06:47.know, the vast majority of people know, the vast majority of people

:06:47. > :06:48.who take a reasonable view as to who take a reasonable view as to

:06:48. > :06:50.who take a reasonable view as to what the First Minister was at

:06:50. > :06:51.what the First Minister was at what the First Minister was at

:06:51. > :06:53.yesterday, know that this was an yesterday, know that this was an

:06:53. > :06:55.yesterday, know that this was an attempt to try and give the

:06:55. > :06:56.attempt to try and give the attempt to try and give the

:06:56. > :06:57.impression that he was influencing impression that he was influencing

:06:57. > :06:58.police decisions in this police decisions in this

:06:58. > :06:59.police decisions in this jurisdiction. That is unbecoming of

:06:59. > :07:00.jurisdiction. That is unbecoming of jurisdiction. That is unbecoming of

:07:00. > :07:02.jurisdiction. That is unbecoming of a man in his office. It's at odds

:07:02. > :07:04.a man in his office. It's at odds a man in his office. It's at odds

:07:04. > :07:05.with a new beginning to policing. with a new beginning to policing.

:07:05. > :07:07.with a new beginning to policing. with a new beginning to policing.

:07:07. > :07:08.To be clear about what he said hesm To be clear about what he said hesm

:07:08. > :07:09.To be clear about what he said hesm talked about swathes of unionism of

:07:09. > :07:12.talked about swathes of unionism of having the perception that

:07:12. > :07:15.having the perception that loyalists have been treated

:07:15. > :07:16.loyalists have been treated differently from republicans?

:07:16. > :07:17.differently from republicans? differently from republicans?

:07:17. > :07:18.differently from republicans? talked about the fact that it was

:07:18. > :07:19.talked about the fact that it was talked about the fact that it was

:07:19. > :07:20.his belief that parades were being his belief that parades were being

:07:20. > :07:22.his belief that parades were being treated differently. There is no

:07:22. > :07:23.treated differently. There is no treated differently. There is no

:07:23. > :07:25.treated differently. There is no question in my mind whilst he is

:07:25. > :07:26.question in my mind whilst he is question in my mind whilst he is

:07:26. > :07:27.entitled to have private meetings entitled to have private meetings

:07:27. > :07:28.entitled to have private meetings with the Chief Constable. My lead

:07:28. > :07:29.with the Chief Constable. My lead with the Chief Constable. My lead

:07:29. > :07:30.with the Chief Constable. My lead and I met the Chief last week, he

:07:30. > :07:31.and I met the Chief last week, he and I met the Chief last week, he

:07:31. > :07:32.needs to think, as First Minister, needs to think, as First Minister,

:07:32. > :07:33.needs to think, as First Minister, needs to think, as First Minister,

:07:33. > :07:34.whether it is right for someone who whether it is right for someone who

:07:34. > :07:35.whether it is right for someone who whether it is right for someone who

:07:35. > :07:36.is meant to be to be the First is meant to be to be the First

:07:36. > :07:37.is meant to be to be the First Minister of everyone in Northern

:07:37. > :07:38.Minister of everyone in Northern Minister of everyone in Northern

:07:38. > :07:39.Minister of everyone in Northern Ireland, to rush out of a meeting

:07:39. > :07:40.Ireland, to rush out of a meeting Ireland, to rush out of a meeting

:07:40. > :07:42.Ireland, to rush out of a meeting with the Chief Constable, rush to a

:07:42. > :07:42.with the Chief Constable, rush to a with the Chief Constable, rush to a

:07:42. > :07:44.microphone and Stoke tensions? microphone and Stoke tensions?

:07:44. > :07:44.microphone and Stoke tensions? microphone and Stoke tensions?

:07:45. > :07:46.would say that is not what he would say that is not what he

:07:46. > :07:46.would say that is not what he intended to do. He represents

:07:46. > :07:48.intended to do. He represents intended to do. He represents

:07:48. > :07:50.people. He happens to be First people. He happens to be First

:07:50. > :07:52.people. He happens to be First Minister. That can't actually ab

:07:52. > :07:53.Minister. That can't actually ab Minister. That can't actually ab

:07:53. > :07:55.position which stops him commenting position which stops him commenting

:07:55. > :07:57.position which stops him commenting publicly on a critical issue like

:07:57. > :07:58.publicly on a critical issue like publicly on a critical issue like

:07:58. > :07:59.this? We have an infrastructure this? We have an infrastructure

:07:59. > :08:00.around policing that prevents around policing that prevents

:08:00. > :08:01.around policing that prevents politicians from ever again trying

:08:01. > :08:03.politicians from ever again trying politicians from ever again trying

:08:03. > :08:04.to influence policing. Like used to to influence policing. Like used to

:08:04. > :08:05.to influence policing. Like used to happen around here. I know Peter

:08:05. > :08:06.happen around here. I know Peter happen around here. I know Peter

:08:06. > :08:08.Robinson is against the Good Friday Robinson is against the Good Friday

:08:08. > :08:09.Robinson is against the Good Friday Agreement. I know he doesn't

:08:09. > :08:10.Agreement. I know he doesn't Agreement. I know he doesn't

:08:10. > :08:11.Agreement. I know he doesn't support the PSNI. I know he doesn't

:08:11. > :08:12.support the PSNI. I know he doesn't support the PSNI. I know he doesn't

:08:12. > :08:14.support the Policing Board. That he support the Policing Board. That he

:08:14. > :08:15.support the Policing Board. That he support the Policing Board. That he

:08:15. > :08:16.wants the old RUC back. I know this wants the old RUC back. I know this

:08:16. > :08:17.wants the old RUC back. I know this wants the old RUC back. I know this

:08:17. > :08:19.because I here it every week... because I here it every week...

:08:19. > :08:21.because I here it every week... not sure he would say precriesly

:08:21. > :08:23.not sure he would say precriesly not sure he would say precriesly

:08:23. > :08:25.that. He does support the PSNI? that. He does support the PSNI?

:08:25. > :08:26.that. He does support the PSNI? It's not coming back. His comments

:08:26. > :08:27.It's not coming back. His comments It's not coming back. His comments

:08:27. > :08:29.It's not coming back. His comments today leave an open question as to

:08:29. > :08:30.today leave an open question as to whether he unconditionly supports

:08:30. > :08:31.whether he unconditionly supports whether he unconditionly supports

:08:31. > :08:32.whether he unconditionly supports the PSNI. He supports the PSNI when

:08:32. > :08:34.the PSNI. He supports the PSNI when the PSNI. He supports the PSNI when

:08:34. > :08:35.the PSNI. He supports the PSNI when they are doing he wants them to do.

:08:35. > :08:36.they are doing he wants them to do. they are doing he wants them to do.

:08:36. > :08:39.When he does something he doesn't When he does something he doesn't

:08:39. > :08:39.When he does something he doesn't When he does something he doesn't

:08:39. > :08:40.agree with he wants to be free... agree with he wants to be free...

:08:40. > :08:42.agree with he wants to be free... You can be critical of an

:08:42. > :08:43.You can be critical of an You can be critical of an

:08:43. > :08:44.organisation and still support. It organisation and still support. It

:08:44. > :08:46.organisation and still support. It you have been critical... I would

:08:46. > :08:47.you have been critical... I would you have been critical... I would

:08:47. > :08:49.like to see the First Minister like to see the First Minister

:08:49. > :08:52.like to see the First Minister issue a public statement supporting

:08:52. > :08:53.issue a public statement supporting issue a public statement supporting

:08:53. > :08:55.issue a public statement supporting the PSNI and the policing Board and

:08:55. > :08:56.the PSNI and the policing Board and asserting the authority and

:08:56. > :08:58.asserting the authority and operational independence of the

:08:58. > :09:00.operational independence of the Chief Constable and the

:09:00. > :09:02.Chief Constable and the independence and the accountability

:09:02. > :09:03.independence and the accountability independence and the accountability

:09:03. > :09:04.supremacy of the Policing Board. supremacy of the Policing Board.

:09:04. > :09:05.supremacy of the Policing Board. supremacy of the Policing Board.

:09:05. > :09:08.What we had from DUP spokes people What we had from DUP spokes people

:09:08. > :09:09.What we had from DUP spokes people What we had from DUP spokes people

:09:09. > :09:12.all day today has been anything but all day today has been anything but

:09:12. > :09:14.all day today has been anything but all day today has been anything but

:09:14. > :09:16.that. What do you make of what has that. What do you make of what has

:09:16. > :09:17.that. What do you make of what has that. What do you make of what has

:09:17. > :09:18.been said there? It sounds like he been said there? It sounds like he

:09:18. > :09:19.been said there? It sounds like he been said there? It sounds like he

:09:19. > :09:20.is upping the anti-, there is no is upping the anti-, there is no

:09:20. > :09:22.question that Peter Robinson question that Peter Robinson

:09:22. > :09:24.question that Peter Robinson supports the PSNI, is there?

:09:24. > :09:25.supports the PSNI, is there? supports the PSNI, is there?

:09:25. > :09:26.terms of public perceptions, if we terms of public perceptions, if we

:09:26. > :09:27.terms of public perceptions, if we look at the criticisms made, for

:09:27. > :09:28.look at the criticisms made, for look at the criticisms made, for

:09:28. > :09:29.example around the issue who have example around the issue who have

:09:29. > :09:30.example around the issue who have example around the issue who have

:09:30. > :09:31.got bail and who didn't get bail, got bail and who didn't get bail,

:09:31. > :09:32.got bail and who didn't get bail, got bail and who didn't get bail,

:09:32. > :09:33.the details of how and why those the details of how and why those

:09:33. > :09:34.the details of how and why those decisions were made were listed in

:09:34. > :09:36.decisions were made were listed in decisions were made were listed in

:09:36. > :09:38.decisions were made were listed in court. It's not a case of decisions

:09:38. > :09:39.court. It's not a case of decisions court. It's not a case of decisions

:09:39. > :09:40.being handed down on high without being handed down on high without

:09:40. > :09:41.being handed down on high without explanation. The difficulty is, as

:09:41. > :09:43.explanation. The difficulty is, as explanation. The difficulty is, as

:09:43. > :09:44.explanation. The difficulty is, as far as the public is concerned this

:09:44. > :09:45.far as the public is concerned this far as the public is concerned this

:09:45. > :09:46.debacle hasn't helped explain what debacle hasn't helped explain what

:09:46. > :09:49.debacle hasn't helped explain what has happened or what didn't happen.

:09:49. > :09:50.has happened or what didn't happen. has happened or what didn't happen.

:09:50. > :09:51.has happened or what didn't happen. What the public see is a big row

:09:51. > :09:52.What the public see is a big row What the public see is a big row

:09:52. > :09:53.between unionism and the police. between unionism and the police.

:09:53. > :09:54.between unionism and the police. Two points emerge from that, is

:09:54. > :09:55.Two points emerge from that, is Two points emerge from that, is

:09:55. > :09:57.Two points emerge from that, is there a danger we are in a position

:09:57. > :09:58.there a danger we are in a position there a danger we are in a position

:09:58. > :09:59.of sleepwalking into what could be of sleepwalking into what could be

:09:59. > :10:00.of sleepwalking into what could be a dangerous and tense marching

:10:00. > :10:01.a dangerous and tense marching a dangerous and tense marching

:10:01. > :10:03.a dangerous and tense marching season? If we are, is it helpful we

:10:03. > :10:04.season? If we are, is it helpful we season? If we are, is it helpful we

:10:04. > :10:06.see, rightly or wrongly, the see, rightly or wrongly, the

:10:06. > :10:07.see, rightly or wrongly, the impression given there is a battle

:10:07. > :10:08.impression given there is a battle impression given there is a battle

:10:08. > :10:09.between police and unionism? One between police and unionism? One

:10:09. > :10:10.between police and unionism? One further point that perhaps the

:10:10. > :10:12.further point that perhaps the further point that perhaps the

:10:12. > :10:12.police might make, while the flags police might make, while the flags

:10:12. > :10:14.police might make, while the flags issue has dominated things and

:10:14. > :10:15.issue has dominated things and issue has dominated things and

:10:15. > :10:16.brought us to this position, it brought us to this position, it

:10:17. > :10:18.brought us to this position, it wasn't a problem that has been

:10:18. > :10:19.wasn't a problem that has been wasn't a problem that has been

:10:19. > :10:20.created by police, it was obviously created by police, it was obviously

:10:20. > :10:22.created by police, it was obviously created by police, it was obviously

:10:23. > :10:24.a problem, that it can be argued, a problem, that it can be argued,

:10:24. > :10:25.a problem, that it can be argued, was created by politicians. What

:10:25. > :10:26.was created by politicians. What was created by politicians. What

:10:26. > :10:28.was created by politicians. What this poipbtsz up is the creative am

:10:28. > :10:29.this poipbtsz up is the creative am this poipbtsz up is the creative am

:10:29. > :10:30.ba queue 'tis of the institutions ba queue 'tis of the institutions

:10:30. > :10:31.ba queue 'tis of the institutions ba queue 'tis of the institutions

:10:31. > :10:32.set up 15 years ago under the Good set up 15 years ago under the Good

:10:32. > :10:35.set up 15 years ago under the Good Friday Agreement, we have on the

:10:35. > :10:36.Friday Agreement, we have on the Friday Agreement, we have on the

:10:36. > :10:38.Friday Agreement, we have on the one hand a police force meant to be

:10:38. > :10:38.one hand a police force meant to be one hand a police force meant to be

:10:38. > :10:39.operation Ali independent and one operation Ali independent and one

:10:39. > :10:41.operation Ali independent and one of the most accountable police

:10:41. > :10:42.of the most accountable police of the most accountable police

:10:42. > :10:44.of the most accountable police forces in the world. It's hard to

:10:44. > :10:45.forces in the world. It's hard to forces in the world. It's hard to

:10:45. > :10:47.square that circle? It is a square that circle? It is a

:10:47. > :10:48.square that circle? It is a challenge. I point out the

:10:48. > :10:49.challenge. I point out the challenge. I point out the

:10:49. > :10:50.challenge. I point out the confusion in the mind of some DUP

:10:50. > :10:52.confusion in the mind of some DUP confusion in the mind of some DUP

:10:52. > :10:53.confusion in the mind of some DUP people as to whether they are in

:10:53. > :10:54.people as to whether they are in people as to whether they are in

:10:54. > :10:55.the institutions because of the the institutions because of the

:10:55. > :10:56.the institutions because of the Good Friday Agreement and want to

:10:56. > :10:57.Good Friday Agreement and want to Good Friday Agreement and want to

:10:57. > :10:58.Good Friday Agreement and want to be in them and outside them when it

:10:58. > :10:59.be in them and outside them when it be in them and outside them when it

:10:59. > :11:00.be in them and outside them when it suits them. They need to resolve to

:11:00. > :11:01.suits them. They need to resolve to suits them. They need to resolve to

:11:01. > :11:02.support the institutions of this support the institutions of this

:11:02. > :11:06.support the institutions of this state. We will leave it there.

:11:06. > :11:16.state. We will leave it there. state. We will leave it there.

:11:16. > :11:43.

:11:43. > :11:44.Thank you very much, indeed. Thank you very much, indeed.

:11:44. > :11:48.Thank you very much, indeed. Jonathan Bell came under pressure

:11:48. > :11:49.Jonathan Bell came under pressure Jonathan Bell came under pressure

:11:49. > :11:50.to explain why the long promised to explain why the long promised

:11:50. > :11:51.to explain why the long promised sexual orientation strategy yet to

:11:51. > :11:53.sexual orientation strategy yet to sexual orientation strategy yet to

:11:53. > :11:54.sexual orientation strategy yet to be published. We will update it on

:11:54. > :12:00.be published. We will update it on be published. We will update it on

:12:00. > :12:01.the development of the consultation the development of the consultation

:12:01. > :12:04.the development of the consultation document. Thank you. Could I ask

:12:04. > :12:05.document. Thank you. Could I ask document. Thank you. Could I ask

:12:05. > :12:07.document. Thank you. Could I ask him, if he could explain what is

:12:07. > :12:08.him, if he could explain what is holding the strategy back

:12:08. > :12:09.holding the strategy back holding the strategy back

:12:09. > :12:10.considering that the minister, the considering that the minister, the

:12:10. > :12:12.considering that the minister, the First Minister, has told the

:12:12. > :12:13.First Minister, has told the First Minister, has told the

:12:13. > :12:14.Chamber three times in the past Chamber three times in the past

:12:14. > :12:15.Chamber three times in the past year that the final strategy would

:12:16. > :12:18.year that the final strategy would year that the final strategy would

:12:18. > :12:20.be complete and published by the be complete and published by the

:12:20. > :12:21.be complete and published by the be complete and published by the

:12:21. > :12:24.end of 2012? Could he comment on end of 2012? Could he comment on

:12:24. > :12:27.end of 2012? Could he comment on reports in relation to his party,

:12:27. > :12:29.reports in relation to his party, reports in relation to his party,

:12:29. > :12:30.the DUP, have been dragging their the DUP, have been dragging their

:12:30. > :12:32.the DUP, have been dragging their neat relation to the publication of

:12:32. > :12:33.neat relation to the publication of a credible sexual orientation

:12:33. > :12:35.a credible sexual orientation a credible sexual orientation

:12:35. > :12:38.a credible sexual orientation strategy for a number of years and

:12:38. > :12:39.strategy for a number of years and strategy for a number of years and

:12:40. > :12:42.strategy for a number of years and his party is hostile? I can address

:12:42. > :12:43.his party is hostile? I can address his party is hostile? I can address

:12:43. > :12:47.that in reverse order, not hostile that in reverse order, not hostile

:12:47. > :12:47.that in reverse order, not hostile that in reverse order, not hostile

:12:47. > :12:50.to any human being. The member laid to any human being. The member laid

:12:50. > :12:51.to any human being. The member laid to any human being. The member laid

:12:51. > :12:52.out his question very well. I'm not out his question very well. I'm not

:12:52. > :12:54.out his question very well. I'm not hostile to any human being. Any

:12:54. > :12:58.hostile to any human being. Any hostile to any human being. Any

:12:58. > :13:01.human being regardless of their human being regardless of their

:13:01. > :13:02.human being regardless of their colour of their skin, colour of

:13:02. > :13:04.colour of their skin, colour of their skin political persuasion

:13:04. > :13:05.their skin political persuasion their skin political persuasion

:13:05. > :13:06.their skin political persuasion should be dealt with the dignity of

:13:06. > :13:08.should be dealt with the dignity of should be dealt with the dignity of

:13:08. > :13:10.human rights and human worth. We human rights and human worth. We

:13:10. > :13:11.human rights and human worth. We are committed to publishing a

:13:12. > :13:15.are committed to publishing a sexual orientation strategy. Junior

:13:15. > :13:17.sexual orientation strategy. Junior sexual orientation strategy. Junior

:13:17. > :13:18.ministers and OFM and DFM officials ministers and OFM and DFM officials

:13:18. > :13:19.ministers and OFM and DFM officials engage with the sector we continue

:13:19. > :13:29.engage with the sector we continue engage with the sector we continue

:13:29. > :13:34.

:13:34. > :13:36.engage with the sector we continue I would like to tell members they

:13:36. > :13:41.I would like to tell members they I would like to tell members they

:13:41. > :13:51.should not be seen reading out should not be seen reading out

:13:51. > :13:54.

:13:54. > :13:56.supplementary questions. Mr Speaker, supplementary questions. Mr Speaker,

:13:56. > :13:57.supplementary questions. Mr Speaker, supplementary questions. Mr Speaker,

:13:57. > :13:58.I thank... I thank the Minister for I thank... I thank the Minister for

:13:58. > :14:00.I thank... I thank the Minister for his answers, and twice he said

:14:00. > :14:01.his answers, and twice he said his answers, and twice he said

:14:01. > :14:03.officials are engaging with the officials are engaging with the

:14:03. > :14:04.officials are engaging with the sector. Would he agree with the

:14:04. > :14:06.sector. Would he agree with the sector. Would he agree with the

:14:06. > :14:08.brain does acted that believe that brain does acted that believe that

:14:08. > :14:10.brain does acted that believe that setting up a consultative group are

:14:10. > :14:11.setting up a consultative group are setting up a consultative group are

:14:11. > :14:13.setting up a consultative group are is the way forward. -- would you

:14:13. > :14:17.is the way forward. -- would you is the way forward. -- would you

:14:18. > :14:19.agree with the rainbows actor? agree with the rainbows actor?

:14:20. > :14:21.agree with the rainbows actor? have met with different members of

:14:21. > :14:24.have met with different members of this sector including those

:14:24. > :14:25.this sector including those this sector including those

:14:26. > :14:26.represented, and we continue to represented, and we continue to

:14:26. > :14:27.represented, and we continue to seek the agreement that we could

:14:27. > :14:31.seek the agreement that we could seek the agreement that we could

:14:31. > :14:34.have a coherent strategy to go have a coherent strategy to go

:14:34. > :14:36.have a coherent strategy to go forward. Mr Speaker, can the

:14:36. > :14:37.forward. Mr Speaker, can the forward. Mr Speaker, can the

:14:37. > :14:40.Minister confirm that Arnie sexual Minister confirm that Arnie sexual

:14:40. > :14:45.orientation strategy will not orientation strategy will not

:14:45. > :14:46.orientation strategy will not create additional rights, but will

:14:47. > :14:47.create additional rights, but will create additional rights, but will

:14:47. > :14:53.merely be a reiteration of the merely be a reiteration of the

:14:53. > :14:55.merely be a reiteration of the rights that are already there.

:14:55. > :14:55.rights that are already there. rights that are already there.

:14:55. > :14:57.Consequently, we believe in the Consequently, we believe in the

:14:57. > :14:59.Consequently, we believe in the innate dignity and human worth of

:14:59. > :15:00.innate dignity and human worth of innate dignity and human worth of

:15:00. > :15:02.every human being, a slow repeating every human being, a slow repeating

:15:02. > :15:05.every human being, a slow repeating every human being, a slow repeating

:15:05. > :15:07.what I said before, we but not be what I said before, we but not be

:15:07. > :15:12.what I said before, we but not be what I said before, we but not be

:15:12. > :15:13.in a position to introduce any new in a position to introduce any new

:15:13. > :15:15.additional rights. We announced additional rights. We announced

:15:15. > :15:16.additional rights. We announced since signature programmes to the

:15:16. > :15:18.since signature programmes to the since signature programmes to the

:15:18. > :15:21.value of �26 million under the value of �26 million under the

:15:21. > :15:22.delivering social change framework delivering social change framework

:15:22. > :15:23.delivering social change framework in 2012. These programmes are

:15:23. > :15:25.in 2012. These programmes are designed to tackle multi-

:15:25. > :15:26.designed to tackle multi- designed to tackle multi-

:15:26. > :15:28.generational poverty and to improve generational poverty and to improve

:15:28. > :15:31.children's health and well-being children's health and well-being

:15:31. > :15:32.and education and life and education and life

:15:32. > :15:34.opportunities. Work on the opportunities. Work on the

:15:34. > :15:35.opportunities. Work on the implementation of the programme is

:15:35. > :15:36.implementation of the programme is implementation of the programme is

:15:36. > :15:38.ongoing. In January, officials met ongoing. In January, officials met

:15:38. > :15:40.ongoing. In January, officials met with the senior officials asked by

:15:40. > :15:42.with the senior officials asked by with the senior officials asked by

:15:42. > :15:44.the relevant Minister to deliver the relevant Minister to deliver

:15:44. > :15:46.progress and expedite delivery. progress and expedite delivery.

:15:46. > :15:49.Further discussions with lead Further discussions with lead

:15:49. > :15:51.Further discussions with lead officials took place last month and

:15:51. > :15:52.officials took place last month and officials took place last month and

:15:52. > :15:53.close discussions are continuing to close discussions are continuing to

:15:53. > :15:56.close discussions are continuing to ensure delivery at the earliest

:15:56. > :15:57.ensure delivery at the earliest ensure delivery at the earliest

:15:57. > :15:59.opportunity. I am confident that opportunity. I am confident that

:15:59. > :16:01.opportunity. I am confident that work on all of these signature

:16:01. > :16:02.work on all of these signature programmes is progressing as

:16:02. > :16:03.programmes is progressing as programmes is progressing as

:16:03. > :16:05.quickly and so efficiently as quickly and so efficiently as

:16:05. > :16:06.quickly and so efficiently as possible. There has been criticism

:16:06. > :16:07.possible. There has been criticism possible. There has been criticism

:16:07. > :16:09.levelled at the Department of levelled at the Department of

:16:09. > :16:10.levelled at the Department of Education at the time taken to

:16:10. > :16:11.Education at the time taken to Education at the time taken to

:16:11. > :16:13.deliver the numeracy and literacy deliver the numeracy and literacy

:16:13. > :16:14.deliver the numeracy and literacy deliver the numeracy and literacy

:16:14. > :16:15.scheme, but we have spoken to the scheme, but we have spoken to the

:16:15. > :16:16.scheme, but we have spoken to the Minister of Education to say that

:16:16. > :16:17.Minister of Education to say that Minister of Education to say that

:16:17. > :16:18.we want teachers uprooted prior to we want teachers uprooted prior to

:16:18. > :16:19.we want teachers uprooted prior to we want teachers uprooted prior to

:16:19. > :16:25.the summer to be ready in advance the summer to be ready in advance

:16:25. > :16:26.the summer to be ready in advance the summer to be ready in advance

:16:26. > :16:28.of the academic year. In light of of the academic year. In light of

:16:28. > :16:29.of the academic year. In light of the signature project and the

:16:29. > :16:30.the signature project and the the signature project and the

:16:30. > :16:31.employment of 230 teachers has employment of 230 teachers has

:16:31. > :16:33.employment of 230 teachers has employment of 230 teachers has

:16:33. > :16:34.referred to buy a Minister, it is referred to buy a Minister, it is

:16:34. > :16:35.referred to buy a Minister, it is uncertain from the Department of

:16:35. > :16:36.uncertain from the Department of uncertain from the Department of

:16:36. > :16:37.Education as to when these teachers Education as to when these teachers

:16:37. > :16:38.Education as to when these teachers Education as to when these teachers

:16:38. > :16:39.will be employed and are unclear as will be employed and are unclear as

:16:39. > :16:41.will be employed and are unclear as will be employed and are unclear as

:16:41. > :16:43.to how they will be employed. Can to how they will be employed. Can

:16:43. > :16:44.to how they will be employed. Can he bring clarity on these subjects

:16:44. > :16:45.he bring clarity on these subjects he bring clarity on these subjects

:16:45. > :16:48.he bring clarity on these subjects on how and when these teachers will

:16:48. > :16:50.on how and when these teachers will on how and when these teachers will

:16:50. > :16:52.on how and when these teachers will on how and when these teachers will

:16:52. > :16:53.be at Boyd? I hope that the when is be at Boyd? I hope that the when is

:16:53. > :16:57.be at Boyd? I hope that the when is be at Boyd? I hope that the when is

:16:57. > :16:58.that it would be well in advance of that it would be well in advance of

:16:58. > :17:00.that it would be well in advance of September. It would be much better

:17:00. > :17:01.September. It would be much better September. It would be much better

:17:01. > :17:03.September. It would be much better from our point of view to have that

:17:03. > :17:04.from our point of view to have that from our point of view to have that

:17:04. > :17:05.done earlier. We recognise that done earlier. We recognise that

:17:05. > :17:08.done earlier. We recognise that what we do with delivering social

:17:08. > :17:10.what we do with delivering social what we do with delivering social

:17:10. > :17:12.change is adding eight feature to change is adding eight feature to

:17:12. > :17:14.change is adding eight feature to which the department is already

:17:14. > :17:15.which the department is already which the department is already

:17:15. > :17:18.doing. There is a development doing. There is a development

:17:18. > :17:19.doing. There is a development doing. There is a development

:17:19. > :17:20.programme set out. We have a clear programme set out. We have a clear

:17:20. > :17:22.programme set out. We have a clear announcement, we have made it clear

:17:22. > :17:22.announcement, we have made it clear announcement, we have made it clear

:17:22. > :17:25.announcement, we have made it clear the way we want to see this scheme

:17:25. > :17:26.the way we want to see this scheme the way we want to see this scheme

:17:26. > :17:29.going forward. It is for one-to-one going forward. It is for one-to-one

:17:29. > :17:30.going forward. It is for one-to-one going forward. It is for one-to-one

:17:30. > :17:31.tutoring and it is on the basis of tutoring and it is on the basis of

:17:31. > :17:33.tutoring and it is on the basis of the beers that are presently

:17:33. > :17:41.the beers that are presently the beers that are presently

:17:41. > :17:43.unemployed teachers taking up those unemployed teachers taking up those

:17:43. > :17:51.unemployed teachers taking up those positions. -- the basis of teachers

:17:51. > :17:51.positions. -- the basis of teachers positions. -- the basis of teachers

:17:51. > :17:53.that are presently unemployed. This that are presently unemployed. This

:17:53. > :17:53.that are presently unemployed. This that are presently unemployed. This

:17:53. > :17:56.is the scheme as we have outlined is the scheme as we have outlined

:17:56. > :17:59.is the scheme as we have outlined it ended was endorsed unanimously

:17:59. > :17:59.it ended was endorsed unanimously it ended was endorsed unanimously

:17:59. > :18:01.it ended was endorsed unanimously by the Executive. It will be taken

:18:01. > :18:02.by the Executive. It will be taken by the Executive. It will be taken

:18:02. > :18:03.forward by the Department of forward by the Department of

:18:03. > :18:05.forward by the Department of Education. We have to fit into

:18:05. > :18:05.Education. We have to fit into Education. We have to fit into

:18:05. > :18:09.which every employment law requires which every employment law requires

:18:09. > :18:09.which every employment law requires which every employment law requires

:18:09. > :18:10.which every employment law requires us to do, so there are issues to up

:18:10. > :18:11.us to do, so there are issues to up us to do, so there are issues to up

:18:11. > :18:13.us to do, so there are issues to up our act and these issues will be

:18:13. > :18:15.our act and these issues will be our act and these issues will be

:18:15. > :18:16.raised by the department. None of raised by the department. None of

:18:16. > :18:17.raised by the department. None of them also difficult to overcome

:18:17. > :18:18.them also difficult to overcome them also difficult to overcome

:18:18. > :18:20.that would stop was meeting the that would stop was meeting the

:18:20. > :18:21.that would stop was meeting the that would stop was meeting the

:18:21. > :18:21.timetable that I have sat out. timetable that I have sat out.

:18:22. > :18:22.First Minister, Peter Robinson. First Minister, Peter Robinson.

:18:22. > :18:23.First Minister, Peter Robinson. Does the Department of Agriculture

:18:23. > :18:24.Does the Department of Agriculture Does the Department of Agriculture

:18:24. > :18:25.blunder from one humiliation to blunder from one humiliation to

:18:25. > :18:26.blunder from one humiliation to another? Well that was the

:18:26. > :18:26.another? Well that was the another? Well that was the

:18:27. > :18:27.accusation put to Michelle O'Neill accusation put to Michelle O'Neill

:18:27. > :18:28.accusation put to Michelle O'Neill during today's question time. But

:18:28. > :18:29.during today's question time. But during today's question time. But

:18:29. > :18:30.first the Minister dealt with the first the Minister dealt with the

:18:30. > :18:31.first the Minister dealt with the issue of resourcing the Rivers'

:18:31. > :18:37.issue of resourcing the Rivers' Agency following last summer's

:18:37. > :18:39.Agency following last summer's Agency following last summer's

:18:39. > :18:40.flooding in Belfast. Would she flooding in Belfast. Would she

:18:40. > :18:41.flooding in Belfast. Would she agreed that the rivers agency is

:18:41. > :18:44.agreed that the rivers agency is agreed that the rivers agency is

:18:44. > :18:45.under resourced, especially in a under resourced, especially in a

:18:45. > :18:48.under resourced, especially in a dressing risk areas highlighted in

:18:48. > :18:49.dressing risk areas highlighted in dressing risk areas highlighted in

:18:49. > :18:50.the floods last year? Nobody could the floods last year? Nobody could

:18:50. > :18:53.the floods last year? Nobody could have predicted the heavy rainfall

:18:53. > :18:54.have predicted the heavy rainfall have predicted the heavy rainfall

:18:54. > :18:56.have predicted the heavy rainfall of last year in 20th June 12,

:18:56. > :18:59.of last year in 20th June 12, particularly this heavy rain.

:18:59. > :19:01.particularly this heavy rain. particularly this heavy rain.

:19:01. > :19:02.Nobody could have been able to Nobody could have been able to

:19:02. > :19:03.Nobody could have been able to Nobody could have been able to

:19:03. > :19:05.predict this. We are looking at predict this. We are looking at

:19:05. > :19:07.predict this. We are looking at predict this. We are looking at

:19:07. > :19:08.this as an executive, but I have this as an executive, but I have

:19:08. > :19:09.this as an executive, but I have recruited extra staff in terms of

:19:09. > :19:10.recruited extra staff in terms of recruited extra staff in terms of

:19:10. > :19:13.recruited extra staff in terms of the work on going in the greater

:19:13. > :19:13.the work on going in the greater the work on going in the greater

:19:13. > :19:14.the work on going in the greater Belfast terrier. We have a four new

:19:14. > :19:16.Belfast terrier. We have a four new Belfast terrier. We have a four new

:19:16. > :19:18.Belfast terrier. We have a four new members of staff coming on board to

:19:18. > :19:18.members of staff coming on board to members of staff coming on board to

:19:18. > :19:20.be involved in regular inspection be involved in regular inspection

:19:20. > :19:21.be involved in regular inspection be involved in regular inspection

:19:21. > :19:23.of the drains to make sure that of the drains to make sure that

:19:23. > :19:24.of the drains to make sure that of the drains to make sure that

:19:24. > :19:26.areas are not blocked. This will be areas are not blocked. This will be

:19:26. > :19:29.areas are not blocked. This will be a halt to the rivers agency.

:19:29. > :19:30.a halt to the rivers agency. a halt to the rivers agency.

:19:30. > :19:31.Funding for flood alleviation will Funding for flood alleviation will

:19:31. > :19:33.Funding for flood alleviation will be prioritised based on the level

:19:33. > :19:34.be prioritised based on the level be prioritised based on the level

:19:34. > :19:35.be prioritised based on the level of risk for people and property and

:19:36. > :19:38.of risk for people and property and of risk for people and property and

:19:38. > :19:39.the associated costs to provide the associated costs to provide

:19:39. > :19:40.the associated costs to provide the associated costs to provide

:19:40. > :19:41.this. I hope that the member will this. I hope that the member will

:19:41. > :19:44.this. I hope that the member will be aware that we have provided

:19:44. > :19:46.be aware that we have provided be aware that we have provided

:19:46. > :19:47.extra staff for a Belfast area. extra staff for a Belfast area.

:19:47. > :19:49.extra staff for a Belfast area. This sorry episode is typical of

:19:49. > :19:52.This sorry episode is typical of This sorry episode is typical of

:19:52. > :19:52.what we expect from his department what we expect from his department

:19:52. > :19:54.what we expect from his department blundering from one humiliating to

:19:54. > :19:56.blundering from one humiliating to blundering from one humiliating to

:19:56. > :19:57.another. In any other industry, the another. In any other industry, the

:19:57. > :19:58.another. In any other industry, the Minister and those involved would

:19:58. > :20:04.Minister and those involved would Minister and those involved would

:20:04. > :20:05.have been sacked or months ago. have been sacked or months ago.

:20:05. > :20:07.have been sacked or months ago. Does the Minister agree that these

:20:07. > :20:09.Does the Minister agree that these Does the Minister agree that these

:20:09. > :20:10.have a knock-on impact affect on have a knock-on impact affect on

:20:10. > :20:12.have a knock-on impact affect on all farmers across the province,

:20:12. > :20:13.all farmers across the province, all farmers across the province,

:20:13. > :20:14.all farmers across the province, there is that had been a OK have

:20:14. > :20:17.there is that had been a OK have there is that had been a OK have

:20:17. > :20:18.found it impossible to make an found it impossible to make an

:20:18. > :20:20.appointment with the local appointment with the local

:20:20. > :20:21.appointment with the local department Office. I do not agree

:20:21. > :20:22.department Office. I do not agree department Office. I do not agree

:20:22. > :20:24.department Office. I do not agree it has had a knock-on effect for

:20:24. > :20:24.it has had a knock-on effect for it has had a knock-on effect for

:20:24. > :20:26.it has had a knock-on effect for all farmers. It needs to be put in

:20:26. > :20:27.all farmers. It needs to be put in all farmers. It needs to be put in

:20:27. > :20:32.all farmers. It needs to be put in context and not blow it out of

:20:32. > :20:34.context and not blow it out of context and not blow it out of

:20:34. > :20:35.proportion. There was a technical proportion. There was a technical

:20:35. > :20:36.proportion. There was a technical proportion. There was a technical

:20:36. > :20:37.problem on the third batch of the problem on the third batch of the

:20:37. > :20:39.problem on the third batch of the problem on the third batch of the

:20:39. > :20:42.maps, 9% of all of the maps issued, maps, 9% of all of the maps issued,

:20:42. > :20:44.maps, 9% of all of the maps issued, they were identified quickly. It

:20:44. > :20:44.they were identified quickly. It they were identified quickly. It

:20:45. > :20:46.was unfortunate it happened, but it was unfortunate it happened, but it

:20:46. > :20:48.was unfortunate it happened, but it was identified quickly and all of

:20:48. > :20:49.was identified quickly and all of was identified quickly and all of

:20:49. > :20:50.the farmers had been given extra the farmers had been given extra

:20:50. > :20:52.the farmers had been given extra time to a finish their paperwork

:20:52. > :20:53.time to a finish their paperwork time to a finish their paperwork

:20:53. > :20:54.and if the member wants to and if the member wants to

:20:54. > :20:56.and if the member wants to scaremonger again, I can assure the

:20:56. > :20:57.scaremonger again, I can assure the scaremonger again, I can assure the

:20:57. > :20:59.farmers there will be no penalties farmers there will be no penalties

:20:59. > :20:59.farmers there will be no penalties farmers there will be no penalties

:20:59. > :21:01.because of map issues. It was fixed because of map issues. It was fixed

:21:01. > :21:02.because of map issues. It was fixed because of map issues. It was fixed

:21:02. > :21:03.very quickly, this problem and I am very quickly, this problem and I am

:21:04. > :21:05.very quickly, this problem and I am confident the action was taken

:21:05. > :21:07.confident the action was taken confident the action was taken

:21:07. > :21:08.confident the action was taken quickly to fix it. It only affects

:21:08. > :21:11.quickly to fix it. It only affects quickly to fix it. It only affects

:21:11. > :21:11.the farmers that received the map. the farmers that received the map.

:21:11. > :21:12.the farmers that received the map. The underlying information that we

:21:12. > :21:15.The underlying information that we The underlying information that we

:21:15. > :21:16.have at the Department, it still have at the Department, it still

:21:16. > :21:18.have at the Department, it still exists. These maps are wrong but

:21:18. > :21:19.exists. These maps are wrong but exists. These maps are wrong but

:21:19. > :21:20.the individual details were all the individual details were all

:21:20. > :21:21.the individual details were all the individual details were all

:21:21. > :21:22.correct on the system, it is just correct on the system, it is just

:21:22. > :21:23.correct on the system, it is just correct on the system, it is just

:21:23. > :21:27.these are maps badge were wrong, or these are maps badge were wrong, or

:21:27. > :21:29.these are maps badge were wrong, or unfortunate, but it was corrected.

:21:29. > :21:32.unfortunate, but it was corrected. unfortunate, but it was corrected.

:21:32. > :21:35.unfortunate, but it was corrected. There were 3560 in the last batch.

:21:35. > :21:36.There were 3560 in the last batch. There were 3560 in the last batch.

:21:36. > :21:38.In ballast number of weeks when In ballast number of weeks when

:21:38. > :21:38.farmers were visiting the farmers were visiting the

:21:38. > :21:40.farmers were visiting the Department, will the Minister give

:21:40. > :21:41.Department, will the Minister give Department, will the Minister give

:21:41. > :21:42.assurance that enough time will be assurance that enough time will be

:21:42. > :21:43.assurance that enough time will be assurance that enough time will be

:21:43. > :21:45.given to these farmers to make sure given to these farmers to make sure

:21:45. > :21:46.given to these farmers to make sure that everything is ratified quiz

:21:46. > :21:48.that everything is ratified quiz that everything is ratified quiz

:21:48. > :21:48.that everything is ratified quiz that everything is ratified quiz

:21:48. > :21:55.back a lot of time is hot enough. - back a lot of time is hot enough. -

:21:55. > :21:56.back a lot of time is hot enough. - - the allotted time. The large

:21:56. > :21:57.- the allotted time. The large - the allotted time. The large

:21:57. > :21:59.number of mops were perfectly fine. number of mops were perfectly fine.

:21:59. > :22:00.number of mops were perfectly fine. number of mops were perfectly fine.

:22:00. > :22:01.There are a number of features that There are a number of features that

:22:01. > :22:02.There are a number of features that There are a number of features that

:22:02. > :22:03.when you are mapped a field and try when you are mapped a field and try

:22:03. > :22:05.when you are mapped a field and try and get every incorrect, this is

:22:05. > :22:06.and get every incorrect, this is and get every incorrect, this is

:22:06. > :22:07.two way process, the department and two way process, the department and

:22:07. > :22:09.two way process, the department and the farmer, let's work together to

:22:09. > :22:10.the farmer, let's work together to the farmer, let's work together to

:22:10. > :22:11.the farmer, let's work together to get these are maps are right. That

:22:11. > :22:12.get these are maps are right. That get these are maps are right. That

:22:12. > :22:14.get these are maps are right. That is what we're trying to do right

:22:14. > :22:16.is what we're trying to do right is what we're trying to do right

:22:16. > :22:17.is what we're trying to do right now. A have allowed extra time and

:22:17. > :22:18.now. A have allowed extra time and now. A have allowed extra time and

:22:18. > :22:19.now. A have allowed extra time and it Army bomb needs extra time, we

:22:19. > :22:20.it Army bomb needs extra time, we it Army bomb needs extra time, we

:22:20. > :22:21.it Army bomb needs extra time, we will go up with them to make sure

:22:21. > :22:24.will go up with them to make sure will go up with them to make sure

:22:24. > :22:25.they get the mapping system right. they get the mapping system right.

:22:25. > :22:26.they get the mapping system right. There is �300 million of European

:22:26. > :22:27.There is �300 million of European There is �300 million of European

:22:27. > :22:29.There is �300 million of European money that we want to be able to

:22:29. > :22:31.money that we want to be able to money that we want to be able to

:22:31. > :22:32.get a mixture Palmer drawn than get a mixture Palmer drawn than

:22:32. > :22:33.get a mixture Palmer drawn than appropriately, to make sure the

:22:33. > :22:36.appropriately, to make sure the appropriately, to make sure the

:22:36. > :22:40.maps are right are but their maps are right are but their

:22:40. > :22:41.responsibilities. Given that other responsibilities. Given that other

:22:41. > :22:43.responsibilities. Given that other areas achieved similar scores, are

:22:43. > :22:44.areas achieved similar scores, are areas achieved similar scores, are

:22:44. > :22:47.areas achieved similar scores, are you saying that they do not warrant

:22:47. > :22:48.you saying that they do not warrant you saying that they do not warrant

:22:48. > :22:50.further scrutiny and Assessment? further scrutiny and Assessment?

:22:50. > :22:50.further scrutiny and Assessment? further scrutiny and Assessment?

:22:50. > :22:52.have said very clearly that we have have said very clearly that we have

:22:52. > :22:53.have said very clearly that we have had a programme for government

:22:53. > :22:54.had a programme for government had a programme for government

:22:54. > :22:56.commitments in the rural area, and commitments in the rural area, and

:22:56. > :22:56.commitments in the rural area, and commitments in the rural area, and

:22:57. > :22:57.I took the decision based on love I took the decision based on love

:22:58. > :22:59.I took the decision based on love I took the decision based on love

:22:59. > :23:01.I took the decision based on love the fact is I have said, and I keep

:23:01. > :23:04.the fact is I have said, and I keep the fact is I have said, and I keep

:23:04. > :23:04.repeating its, we have looked at repeating its, we have looked at

:23:04. > :23:05.the regional development strategy the regional development strategy

:23:05. > :23:07.the regional development strategy the regional development strategy

:23:07. > :23:09.behind this is all done by a behind this is all done by a

:23:10. > :23:12.programme board, and established programme board, and established

:23:12. > :23:13.programme board, and established programme board, they established a

:23:13. > :23:16.programme board, they established a criteria that they score

:23:16. > :23:17.criteria that they score criteria that they score

:23:17. > :23:17.accordingly. We had two periods in accordingly. We had two periods in

:23:18. > :23:19.accordingly. We had two periods in accordingly. We had two periods in

:23:19. > :23:20.the north-west that came out on top. the north-west that came out on top.

:23:20. > :23:21.the north-west that came out on top. Khalid Khaliq is valued for money,

:23:21. > :23:25.Khalid Khaliq is valued for money, Khalid Khaliq is valued for money,

:23:25. > :23:26.Khalid Khaliq is valued for money, it saves money in the public purse.

:23:26. > :23:27.it saves money in the public purse. it saves money in the public purse.

:23:27. > :23:29.it saves money in the public purse. They had the potential to use these

:23:29. > :23:30.They had the potential to use these They had the potential to use these

:23:30. > :23:31.businesses bear. This was taken on businesses bear. This was taken on

:23:31. > :23:33.businesses bear. This was taken on all of these criteria which are

:23:33. > :23:35.all of these criteria which are all of these criteria which are

:23:35. > :23:36.very transparent our people to see. very transparent our people to see.

:23:36. > :23:37.The Ariculture Minister, Michelle The Ariculture Minister, Michelle

:23:37. > :23:38.The Ariculture Minister, Michelle O'Neill. The SDLP's Pat Ramsey has

:23:38. > :23:39.O'Neill. The SDLP's Pat Ramsey has O'Neill. The SDLP's Pat Ramsey has

:23:39. > :23:39.said he's not convinced that said he's not convinced that

:23:40. > :23:40.said he's not convinced that industrial relations at the North

:23:41. > :23:41.industrial relations at the North industrial relations at the North

:23:41. > :23:42.West Regional College will improve West Regional College will improve

:23:42. > :23:43.West Regional College will improve without new leadership. The MLA for

:23:43. > :23:44.without new leadership. The MLA for without new leadership. The MLA for

:23:44. > :23:45.Foyle was speaking at last week's Foyle was speaking at last week's

:23:45. > :23:46.Employment and Learning Committee Employment and Learning Committee

:23:46. > :23:47.Employment and Learning Committee where the issue of a critical

:23:47. > :23:48.where the issue of a critical where the issue of a critical

:23:48. > :23:49.review into the college was review into the college was

:23:49. > :23:50.review into the college was review into the college was

:23:50. > :23:51.discussed, as we can hear now in discussed, as we can hear now in

:23:51. > :23:57.discussed, as we can hear now in our weekly look at committee

:23:57. > :23:59.our weekly look at committee our weekly look at committee

:23:59. > :24:01.business. He will be aware that business. He will be aware that

:24:01. > :24:02.business. He will be aware that this committee and local members

:24:02. > :24:04.this committee and local members this committee and local members

:24:04. > :24:10.have for three years been speaking have for three years been speaking

:24:10. > :24:11.have for three years been speaking about serious industrial issues. It

:24:11. > :24:13.about serious industrial issues. It about serious industrial issues. It

:24:13. > :24:23.is the most critical and damning is the most critical and damning

:24:23. > :24:25.is the most critical and damning report everyone under and the

:24:25. > :24:25.report everyone under and the institution are university.

:24:25. > :24:27.institution are university. Unquestionable failures in

:24:27. > :24:28.Unquestionable failures in Unquestionable failures in

:24:28. > :24:37.management on the board of management on the board of

:24:37. > :24:38.management on the board of governments going forward. And am

:24:38. > :24:41.governments going forward. And am governments going forward. And am

:24:41. > :24:43.concerned that statements from the concerned that statements from the

:24:43. > :24:44.concerned that statements from the chair, subsequent to and last week

:24:44. > :24:46.chair, subsequent to and last week chair, subsequent to and last week

:24:46. > :24:49.in particular, it does not instil in particular, it does not instil

:24:49. > :24:50.in particular, it does not instil any confidence in me whatsoever

:24:50. > :24:52.any confidence in me whatsoever any confidence in me whatsoever

:24:52. > :24:54.that this culture of intimidation, that this culture of intimidation,

:24:54. > :24:55.that this culture of intimidation, that this culture of intimidation,

:24:55. > :24:55.best golfer of the year that is best golfer of the year that is

:24:56. > :24:56.best golfer of the year that is evidenced in the independent report

:24:56. > :25:04.evidenced in the independent report evidenced in the independent report

:25:04. > :25:08.evidenced in the independent report is not been dealt with. -- this

:25:08. > :25:10.is not been dealt with. -- this is not been dealt with. -- this

:25:10. > :25:11.culture of fear. Its report raises culture of fear. Its report raises

:25:11. > :25:12.culture of fear. Its report raises culture of fear. Its report raises

:25:12. > :25:14.the issue is a challenge or the the issue is a challenge or the

:25:14. > :25:15.the issue is a challenge or the board of governors. It raises

:25:15. > :25:17.board of governors. It raises board of governors. It raises

:25:17. > :25:17.issues that are of challenged to issues that are of challenged to

:25:17. > :25:20.issues that are of challenged to the unions and how they have

:25:20. > :25:22.the unions and how they have conducted themselves and others

:25:22. > :25:23.conducted themselves and others conducted themselves and others

:25:23. > :25:24.clearly it raises a significance clearly it raises a significance

:25:24. > :25:25.clearly it raises a significance number of issues that are

:25:25. > :25:32.number of issues that are number of issues that are

:25:32. > :25:33.challenged to the management in the challenged to the management in the

:25:33. > :25:35.challenged to the management in the college. I appoint the chair and

:25:35. > :25:36.college. I appoint the chair and college. I appoint the chair and

:25:36. > :25:37.the members of the Board of the members of the Board of

:25:37. > :25:38.the members of the Board of Governors, and they are directly

:25:38. > :25:39.Governors, and they are directly Governors, and they are directly

:25:39. > :25:41.accountable to me and the accountable to me and the

:25:41. > :25:46.accountable to me and the accountable to me and the

:25:46. > :25:47.department. I am happy to give them department. I am happy to give them

:25:47. > :25:50.department. I am happy to give them department. I am happy to give them

:25:51. > :25:51.the space now to take on board the the space now to take on board the

:25:51. > :25:53.the space now to take on board the recommendations. The board has been

:25:54. > :25:54.recommendations. The board has been recommendations. The board has been

:25:54. > :25:56.very clear in that they fully very clear in that they fully

:25:56. > :25:58.very clear in that they fully accept the recommendations of this

:25:58. > :26:01.accept the recommendations of this report. Each college improvement

:26:01. > :26:03.report. Each college improvement report. Each college improvement

:26:03. > :26:04.report. Each college improvement plan was put in place in December.

:26:04. > :26:05.plan was put in place in December. plan was put in place in December.

:26:05. > :26:07.plan was put in place in December. We had an ongoing discussion with a

:26:07. > :26:07.We had an ongoing discussion with a We had an ongoing discussion with a

:26:07. > :26:13.clear sense of direction as the clear sense of direction as the

:26:13. > :26:14.clear sense of direction as the reward has been compiled. -- report

:26:14. > :26:16.reward has been compiled. -- report reward has been compiled. -- report

:26:16. > :26:17.reward has been compiled. -- report was being compiled. We need to give

:26:18. > :26:19.was being compiled. We need to give was being compiled. We need to give

:26:19. > :26:22.them the space to proceed and them the space to proceed and

:26:22. > :26:25.deliver on the recommendations. deliver on the recommendations.

:26:25. > :26:26.deliver on the recommendations. This has been fundamental form the

:26:26. > :26:27.This has been fundamental form the This has been fundamental form the

:26:27. > :26:29.This has been fundamental form the four of her three years. I have had

:26:29. > :26:31.four of her three years. I have had four of her three years. I have had

:26:31. > :26:33.four of her three years. I have had many people in mind of this and

:26:33. > :26:34.many people in mind of this and many people in mind of this and

:26:34. > :26:35.they repeated again about grown men they repeated again about grown men

:26:35. > :26:36.they repeated again about grown men they repeated again about grown men

:26:36. > :26:38.being in tears about the way they being in tears about the way they

:26:38. > :26:40.being in tears about the way they being in tears about the way they

:26:40. > :26:42.were treated in that college. I am were treated in that college. I am

:26:42. > :26:43.were treated in that college. I am saying is very clearly, this

:26:43. > :26:46.saying is very clearly, this saying is very clearly, this

:26:46. > :26:48.committee that has taken such a committee that has taken such a

:26:48. > :26:49.committee that has taken such a very clear interest on the human

:26:49. > :26:51.very clear interest on the human very clear interest on the human

:26:51. > :26:52.rights of workers in this college, rights of workers in this college,

:26:52. > :26:53.rights of workers in this college, that we should be considering

:26:53. > :26:54.that we should be considering that we should be considering

:26:54. > :26:55.that we should be considering putting a much into the house. This

:26:55. > :26:58.putting a much into the house. This putting a much into the house. This

:26:58. > :26:59.putting a much into the house. This is too important to let go. --

:26:59. > :27:04.is too important to let go. -- is too important to let go. --

:27:04. > :27:05.putting emotion to the house. Those putting emotion to the house. Those

:27:05. > :27:06.putting emotion to the house. Those that carried out this culture of

:27:06. > :27:09.that carried out this culture of that carried out this culture of

:27:09. > :27:10.fear and intimidation, we need to fear and intimidation, we need to

:27:10. > :27:12.fear and intimidation, we need to investigate them. The bog were

:27:12. > :27:14.investigate them. The bog were investigate them. The bog were

:27:14. > :27:15.frightened, they were not motivated, frightened, they were not motivated,

:27:15. > :27:17.frightened, they were not motivated, there was low morale, they were

:27:17. > :27:20.there was low morale, they were there was low morale, they were

:27:20. > :27:22.there was low morale, they were frightened to go to work. I think

:27:22. > :27:23.frightened to go to work. I think frightened to go to work. I think

:27:23. > :27:27.with your consent, we should with your consent, we should

:27:27. > :27:30.with your consent, we should consider bringing forward a motion

:27:30. > :27:31.consider bringing forward a motion consider bringing forward a motion

:27:31. > :27:32.for future deliberations. The board for future deliberations. The board

:27:32. > :27:34.for future deliberations. The board of governors does have a challenge

:27:34. > :27:34.of governors does have a challenge of governors does have a challenge

:27:34. > :27:35.of governors does have a challenge to meet the at broods in rebuilding

:27:35. > :27:39.to meet the at broods in rebuilding to meet the at broods in rebuilding

:27:39. > :27:45.trust and confidence in the wider trust and confidence in the wider

:27:45. > :27:47.community, particularly in the community, particularly in the

:27:47. > :27:51.community, particularly in the north-west. Bus to meet the board

:27:51. > :27:51.north-west. Bus to meet the board north-west. Bus to meet the board

:27:51. > :27:54.in rebuilding trust. We will update in rebuilding trust. We will update

:27:54. > :27:55.in rebuilding trust. We will update in rebuilding trust. We will update

:27:55. > :27:56.on how things are going and no get on how things are going and no get

:27:56. > :27:58.on how things are going and no get the overarching impression on the

:27:58. > :28:00.the overarching impression on the the overarching impression on the

:28:00. > :28:01.college. There is a fear of industrial relations.

:28:01. > :28:02.industrial relations. The Employment and Learning

:28:02. > :28:03.The Employment and Learning The Employment and Learning

:28:03. > :28:04.Minister, Stephen Farry. And The Minister, Stephen Farry. And The

:28:04. > :28:05.Detail's Political Correspondent, Detail's Political Correspondent,

:28:05. > :28:06.Detail's Political Correspondent, Steven McCaffery, is with me again.

:28:06. > :28:07.Steven McCaffery, is with me again. Steven McCaffery, is with me again.

:28:07. > :28:08.Steven, just going back to the Steven, just going back to the

:28:08. > :28:09.discussion on the Sexual discussion on the Sexual

:28:09. > :28:10.Orientation Strategy during OFMDFM Orientation Strategy during OFMDFM

:28:10. > :28:11.Orientation Strategy during OFMDFM questions - you think you've picked

:28:11. > :28:13.questions - you think you've picked questions - you think you've picked

:28:13. > :28:14.up on something of a recurring up on something of a recurring

:28:14. > :28:16.up on something of a recurring theme there. I noticed on this

:28:16. > :28:19.theme there. I noticed on this theme there. I noticed on this

:28:19. > :28:21.occasion when Best came top, the occasion when Best came top, the

:28:21. > :28:22.occasion when Best came top, the question session ended with a

:28:22. > :28:23.question session ended with a question session ended with a

:28:23. > :28:24.friendly question to be Minister friendly question to be Minister

:28:24. > :28:25.friendly question to be Minister friendly question to be Minister

:28:25. > :28:27.inviting him to use bow out that inviting him to use bow out that

:28:27. > :28:28.inviting him to use bow out that there would be no additional

:28:28. > :28:28.there would be no additional there would be no additional

:28:28. > :28:29.entitlements for the National Ban entitlements for the National Ban

:28:29. > :28:30.entitlements for the National Ban Bullying at Work Day community if

:28:30. > :28:31.Bullying at Work Day community if Bullying at Work Day community if

:28:31. > :28:38.Bullying at Work Day community if these do sees the light of day, so

:28:38. > :28:40.these do sees the light of day, so these do sees the light of day, so

:28:40. > :28:42.we. A decision. -- additional we. A decision. -- additional

:28:42. > :28:43.we. A decision. -- additional entitlements for the gay community.

:28:43. > :28:46.entitlements for the gay community. entitlements for the gay community.

:28:46. > :28:47.entitlements for the gay community. And he very much for joining us on

:28:47. > :28:49.And he very much for joining us on And he very much for joining us on

:28:49. > :28:50.And he very much for joining us on the programme. We will be back with

:28:50. > :28:52.the programme. We will be back with the programme. We will be back with

:28:52. > :28:53.that the one first denied at that the one first denied at