08/10/2012

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:00:29. > :00:34.Hello and welcome to Stormont Today. Coming up: Saying no to health care

:00:34. > :00:41.reform. The Health Minister warns of dire consequences. If we do not

:00:41. > :00:47.proceed with welfare reform we will have longer waiting lists for hip

:00:47. > :00:53.operations and for people who require heart surgery. More money 4

:00:53. > :00:56.struggling farmers. We hear from the Agriculture Minister. And the

:00:56. > :01:01.First and Deputy First Ministers announced their strategy and say

:01:01. > :01:11.they have not given up their corporation tax fight. We are still

:01:11. > :01:12.

:01:13. > :01:16.With me today is our political correspondent Martina Purdy. The

:01:16. > :01:21.first thing to say is that welfare reform is in fact what everyone has

:01:21. > :01:26.been talking about here today. even Prime Minister David Cameron

:01:26. > :01:30.this evening was warning of serious consequences if Stormont does not

:01:30. > :01:35.pass this welfare bill. As you know, it has already passed in England

:01:35. > :01:40.and Wales. It is the biggest shake- up in welfare for decades and it is

:01:40. > :01:44.designed, they say, to simplify the benefit system which has become too

:01:44. > :01:52.complex and to encourage people into work. So some of the King

:01:52. > :01:56.changes -- key changes are six benefits will be made into one

:01:56. > :01:59.universal credit. Another big change that the disability living

:01:59. > :02:04.allowance will become something called Personal Independent's

:02:04. > :02:08.parent, and instead of solve assessing, filling in a full and

:02:08. > :02:13.getting that payment, you will have to go to an individual Assessor

:02:13. > :02:16.every three years. And not everyone is happy about those changes.

:02:16. > :02:22.long been controversial and Sinn Fein have been resisting them at

:02:22. > :02:26.Executive level for some months. But eventually last month agreed

:02:26. > :02:30.that the bill should come before Stormont, because the reality is it

:02:30. > :02:33.would cause a crisis in the finances of Stormont and would

:02:33. > :02:38.cause difficulties in the benefits system here. It would be really

:02:38. > :02:42.radical if they do not match this bill. So Sinn Fein have now decided

:02:42. > :02:46.that for the second reading tomorrow, which means a substantial

:02:46. > :02:50.debate on the issue, they want amendments. They have tabled an

:02:50. > :02:56.amendment and they want the bill deferred because they say it is not

:02:56. > :03:04.tailored for Northern Ireland. When Sinn Fein signalled last week

:03:04. > :03:09.during an Executive meeting, there is raised a press statement, they

:03:09. > :03:11.were accused of Pontius Pilate like tactics, of washing their hands of

:03:11. > :03:17.the responsibility of bringing it before Stormont and trying to blame

:03:17. > :03:22.others. So we are waiting to see how the other parties respond. The

:03:22. > :03:28.SDLP may try to have a working group set up here to understand the

:03:28. > :03:33.impact of this legislation in Northern Ireland. Just before we

:03:33. > :03:39.let you go, it was a busy week last week for the Ulster Unionists party.

:03:39. > :03:45.A difficult week, with Mike Nesbitt's sacking of his Assembly

:03:45. > :03:50.deputy, John McAllister. Have things settled down? There has been

:03:50. > :04:00.an embarrassing row. The feeling on the ground here it is that Mike and

:04:00. > :04:04.John have a breed -- agreed dues disagree. -- Mike and John have

:04:04. > :04:07.agreed to disagree. They are going to work at their problems behind

:04:07. > :04:11.closed doors, although Peter Robinson issued a speech today

:04:11. > :04:20.which she gave at the weekend and he spends a good lot of that speech

:04:20. > :04:23.attacking John McAllister. We will hear more from you later.

:04:23. > :04:30.It was the turn of the Health Minister to face questions at the

:04:30. > :04:34.dispatch box. Edwin Poots updated ministers on an incident at a care

:04:34. > :04:39.home in Londonderry last week which led to suspension of a number of

:04:39. > :04:43.staff. But first he was asked about primary care services. The Minister

:04:43. > :04:47.will know that change always causes some people concerned. Could I ask

:04:47. > :04:51.him to take the opportunity here this afternoon to assure the House

:04:51. > :04:57.that it is not part of his vision for the health service in Northern

:04:57. > :05:00.Ireland and any aspect of primary health care service delivery would

:05:01. > :05:09.be delivered through any other vehicle except the National Health

:05:09. > :05:15.Service. Of course changed has caused concern but that does not

:05:15. > :05:19.mean you should not be reached. If the member is asking am I looking

:05:19. > :05:25.to engage in some privatisation process of primary care, that is

:05:25. > :05:30.not something on the agenda. We are dealing with issues in more detail

:05:30. > :05:38.tomorrow but it's fair evident that is not part of this. Can I ask him

:05:38. > :05:42.to give an update on how the welfare reform cuts will impact on

:05:42. > :05:48.transforming the new care strategy. Devera interesting question to ask

:05:48. > :05:55.because welfare reform does have an impact. Were we to do something

:05:55. > :05:59.completely daft and cost the Assembly in Northern Ireland �220

:05:59. > :06:04.million, that would probably cost us in this department around �100

:06:04. > :06:09.million, so if we do not proceed with welfare reform and stay with

:06:09. > :06:13.parity, we will have longer waiting lists for hip operations, for

:06:13. > :06:18.people who require heart surgery, we will have people dying as a

:06:18. > :06:28.consequence of that. My overriding priority and that of the Western

:06:28. > :06:28.

:06:28. > :06:33.Trust is to ensure the safety and I can advise that the trust has put

:06:33. > :06:40.in place an improvement plan to bring about the change required to

:06:40. > :06:48.end sure that... The improvement plan will transfer the culture of

:06:48. > :06:54.care from a racing to a social care home, more in a keeping with a

:06:54. > :06:59.nursing home. Implementation is being ever seen by a board made up

:06:59. > :07:03.of senior managers within the trust. The trust is reporting progress to

:07:03. > :07:08.the Department through the Health and Social Care Board. The relation

:07:08. > :07:14.to the process which he has put in place, I know he is aware that

:07:14. > :07:21.staff training was a big issue. Is he satisfied that the process going

:07:21. > :07:27.forward and staff training is adequate? It is absolutely

:07:27. > :07:33.essential and we are doing a considerable amount of work. When

:07:33. > :07:42.we have for Cannes people in care, the ability for individuals to take

:07:42. > :07:48.advantage of that -- vulnerable people. The ability for individuals

:07:48. > :07:55.to take advantage of that is increased greatly. I think that

:07:55. > :08:01.after all the time we have had to take into consideration vulnerable

:08:01. > :08:03.people, in terms of the care provided for them, it would be very

:08:04. > :08:08.disappointing in 2012 that this sort of behaviour can still happen

:08:08. > :08:12.in our facilities. The Health Minister, Edwin Poots.

:08:12. > :08:17.From hate crime to body scanners, just some of the areas discussed

:08:17. > :08:22.during Justice Questions, but first Mr David Ford began by asking a

:08:23. > :08:29.question of when the new Police Ombudsman will start to look again

:08:29. > :08:33.at historical cases. It has made the issue of lifting the suspension

:08:33. > :08:37.of investigation into historic cases a priority. There's a lot of

:08:37. > :08:41.work going on in the ombudsman's offers at the moment and the

:08:41. > :08:47.expectation is the criminal justice inspection will do the Independent

:08:47. > :08:50.allegation which spot of restoring confidence during December. We hope

:08:50. > :08:55.the work would be able to proceed from January onwards. Would he

:08:55. > :09:01.agree that we have to take steps, that one of the things that let you

:09:01. > :09:08.lack of public confidence in the past was external interference,

:09:09. > :09:12.which we must be free of in future? I appreciate his point about the

:09:13. > :09:17.allegations of interference which went on previously, including the

:09:17. > :09:21.findings of the Tony McCluskie report of inappropriate behaviour

:09:21. > :09:26.as suggested between an official of the Northern Ireland Office as then

:09:26. > :09:32.was. But the suggestions that there was interference historically have

:09:32. > :09:38.not been suggested in terms of current operation. I am determined

:09:38. > :09:44.to see that the good work being done by my department in terms of

:09:44. > :09:48.sponsoring the Ombudsman office will continue. Given the increasing

:09:48. > :09:51.sectarian hate crime, will the Minister strengthened the court's

:09:51. > :09:56.capacity to increase sentences to highlight the odious nature of

:09:56. > :10:02.these crimes? It can be very difficult to obtain a conviction to

:10:02. > :10:06.include the hate element of a hate crime, even though it may be

:10:06. > :10:11.relevant league -- a relatively easy to get a conviction for the

:10:11. > :10:16.offence at such. I have asked for people to look at this and it

:10:16. > :10:20.changes are needed I will consider them. In many cases we should

:10:20. > :10:25.recognise that we should recognise that even though a case is not

:10:25. > :10:29.prosecuted with the addition of hate crime, cases are successfully

:10:29. > :10:34.prosecuted for the basic underlying offence and that does not mean that

:10:34. > :10:44.people are getting off, but there's obviously work to be done. Can he

:10:44. > :10:44.

:10:45. > :10:49.give us an indication that there is a prison in Magilligan in the

:10:49. > :10:53.future and that it will remain where it is and not be moved to the

:10:53. > :10:59.proposed location? Given that there is an ongoing consultation, I

:10:59. > :11:05.cannot give this assurance. I can give an assurance that contrary to

:11:05. > :11:10.what -- what may be the perception, it is because the consultations are

:11:10. > :11:14.genuine and seeking people's opinions. I am determined to see we

:11:14. > :11:19.have a prisoners' state which is fit for purpose in the future and

:11:19. > :11:24.not dealing with the situation of 30 or 40 years ago. If people can

:11:24. > :11:30.suggest appropriate ways to using the -- of using the Magilligan of

:11:30. > :11:36.site rather than another site, then I looked forward to seeing bring --

:11:36. > :11:43.hearing from them. The Justice Minister, David Ford.

:11:43. > :11:47.The Agriculture Minister has announced new methods to help solve

:11:47. > :11:51.what farmers today describe as a crisis. Supermarkets were in the

:11:51. > :11:56.firing line, with claims that farmers are often paid less for

:11:56. > :12:00.their food than it costs to produce. At the very foundation of potential

:12:00. > :12:03.economic growth is farming and the industry is under severe strain.

:12:03. > :12:08.The heart of this matter is that many of our local farmers who are

:12:08. > :12:13.being paid less for their products than they cost to produce. This is

:12:13. > :12:17.putting them under severe financial pressure. More must be done to help

:12:17. > :12:20.our farmers receive a fair price for their produce, but there was

:12:20. > :12:26.one of the most important industries in Northern Ireland

:12:26. > :12:34.could collapse. The IFE chain is controlled by major retailers. --

:12:34. > :12:39.the food chain. They are controlling the farm gate price. It

:12:39. > :12:44.is a vicious circle that goes round and round. The one person that is

:12:44. > :12:47.suffering all the time is of the farmer. The Ulster Farmers' Union

:12:47. > :12:51.are absolutely right to stand up for the clear and Present danger

:12:51. > :12:55.which exists and indeed threatens the long-term future of this

:12:55. > :13:00.industry. Would she agree that because there is such an imbalance,

:13:00. > :13:05.as many of us would describe it, at the amount of profit coming back

:13:05. > :13:10.from the retailers to the farmers, that one way of actually resolving

:13:11. > :13:15.that might be at the planning service could actually but criteria

:13:15. > :13:21.into planning that those major retail stores could not give -- get

:13:21. > :13:31.planning permission without giving back a reasonable profit? I welcome

:13:31. > :13:51.

:13:51. > :13:55.With shorter days and the less likelihood of good drying, some

:13:55. > :14:00.feel so will never be done. Potato prices are better but will not

:14:00. > :14:05.compensate. The Agriculture Minister is with me

:14:05. > :14:09.now. Thank you for joining us. How serious are the challengers for

:14:09. > :14:15.farmers? It has been a difficult farmers? It has been a difficult

:14:15. > :14:22.farmers? It has been a difficult year. Factors have impacted upon

:14:22. > :14:28.the farmers like the weather, they have used up their winter feed.

:14:28. > :14:33.Also there are falling farm gate prices. And we have the rise in

:14:33. > :14:38.input costs. It has been a difficult year. I welcome the fact

:14:38. > :14:42.that we had the debate. I was able to announce that I will be able to

:14:42. > :14:49.put additional money into farmers' pockets. This has been widely

:14:49. > :14:54.welcomed by the industry. Will this extra money which is being paid

:14:54. > :14:59.through Single Farm Payments make a difference? It is �50 million, will

:14:59. > :15:05.it make a tangible difference? you ask people individually, they

:15:05. > :15:10.would say no. It is alongside a range of other programs and schemes

:15:10. > :15:15.that we have. We are providing practical advice and information

:15:15. > :15:22.and working closely with them to help them in terms of how they do

:15:22. > :15:29.things, can be streamlined things, but is it enough money? It is

:15:29. > :15:34.progress. Can I be clear, Minister, is it new money? Is is an

:15:34. > :15:44.additional �50 million or you robbing Peter to pay Paul. It is

:15:44. > :15:50.

:15:50. > :15:52.new money. It is an addition. ask you about a you moving at the

:15:52. > :15:57.Department of Agriculture and Rural Development headquarters to

:15:57. > :16:01.Ballyclare Kelly -- Ballykelly. You think it will be more efficient,

:16:01. > :16:07.are the buildings that are there, a former MoD buildings, are they fit

:16:07. > :16:11.to be told furred to the use as your new headquarters. When you

:16:11. > :16:21.look at some of them, they are for sale on Ferris website, they look

:16:21. > :16:21.

:16:21. > :16:26.pretty ropey! Some buildings are less than 20 years old. We may need

:16:26. > :16:30.to have new buildings alongside. I have been in some of them and in my

:16:30. > :16:35.opinion they are fit for purpose and can be transformed into

:16:35. > :16:40.practical office accommodation. The wider point is that we are looking

:16:40. > :16:44.at decentralising and bringing public sector jobs to be more

:16:44. > :16:49.widely spread. I would like to see other departments following suit.

:16:49. > :16:53.You should not always be able -- have to travel into the Belfast

:16:53. > :17:00.area to get a job. So we are spreading jobs and giving

:17:00. > :17:05.opportunities to other areas.. will see what happens, and when it

:17:05. > :17:07.happens. The Investment Strategy for the next nine years was

:17:08. > :17:10.announced by the First and Deputy First Ministers. Martin McGuinness

:17:10. > :17:20.told Assembly Members that the strategy will tackle years of under

:17:20. > :17:21.

:17:21. > :17:31.investment. The new strategy for 2011-2012 will add a 5 billion in

:17:31. > :17:31.

:17:32. > :17:41.the first four years and a total of �13.3 billion over its lifetime.

:17:42. > :17:42.

:17:42. > :17:49.Despite a previous investment package to adjust the deficit, the

:17:49. > :17:55.amount received through the block grant will fall by 20 % up to 2014-

:17:55. > :18:02.15. Because of the financial constraints, it is essential that

:18:02. > :18:06.we make every pound spent matter to get best value. The strategy

:18:06. > :18:11.focuses on investment on the right infrastructure in the right place

:18:11. > :18:16.using the most effective method. This means that we programme our

:18:16. > :18:22.capital expenditure so that whatever the budget it is being

:18:22. > :18:29.fully used to improve the lives of everyone. Will want to address the

:18:29. > :18:33.needs of the economy. Ultimately, the economy will recover and it is

:18:33. > :18:37.important that when we get to that point, that the economy is growing,

:18:37. > :18:41.that we have retained the skills and the abilities of those

:18:41. > :18:46.currently in employment and we will be able to benefit from that

:18:46. > :18:50.recovery and drive on Northern Ireland's economy. There are too

:18:50. > :18:55.many of our young people who are having to leave these shores to

:18:55. > :18:59.gain employment and whatever the Executive can do to retain them in

:18:59. > :19:07.all the island, it should be welcomed. The rises in unemployment

:19:07. > :19:14.have been higher here than in England, Scotland, All Wales. So in

:19:14. > :19:23.that -- that in itself can hardly be viewed as a success. We want to

:19:23. > :19:27.see an Investment Strategy to deliver jobs in all areas of.

:19:27. > :19:36.welcome today's debate but I welcome its true value, given that

:19:36. > :19:44.it is month after the publication of the report. You would have

:19:44. > :19:51.thought that the 2011-2012/you would have wanted to enter in

:19:51. > :19:55.tandem with those. But it is welcome. We get attacked for

:19:55. > :20:05.pushing things through the Assembly and not allowing sufficient

:20:05. > :20:07.

:20:07. > :20:17.consultation time. This time, I said to be first -- deputy first Mr

:20:17. > :20:21.-- this is our attempt to encourage debate. We have been able to

:20:21. > :20:27.include �1 billion of alternative finance. A number of other members

:20:27. > :20:30.have raised the issue of corporation tax and I would like to

:20:30. > :20:37.point that that the ministerial working group will meet on 18th

:20:37. > :20:40.October. We are still promoting Plan A.

:20:40. > :20:41.The First Minister, Peter Robinson, extolling the virtues of working in

:20:41. > :20:45.harmony with the Deputy First Minister.

:20:45. > :20:48.Next to the claim by the DUP that more and more people here are

:20:48. > :20:50.relying on charity to feed their families. The party is keen that

:20:50. > :20:54.the Social Development Minister, Nelson McCausland, should support

:20:54. > :20:58.and promote the work of foodbanks. We know that jobs are being lost,

:20:58. > :21:02.that in comes are going down and people claiming benefits. Some

:21:02. > :21:09.people claiming them for the first time in their lives. People are

:21:09. > :21:15.getting increasingly indebted. They have unexpected bills and they have

:21:15. > :21:21.unexpected -- a hard impact. We see right across Northern Ireland a

:21:21. > :21:25.growth in food banks. I think this is in some ways an unfortunate

:21:25. > :21:30.development. It should not be that they have to exist but at least it

:21:30. > :21:34.is a positive response by that sector to one ongoing problem. They

:21:34. > :21:40.have seen it in the community they are living in. It is remarkable

:21:40. > :21:47.what these people are doing. It is often done on a voluntary basis. We

:21:47. > :21:52.are seeing big numbers in terms of the food donated and it is done on

:21:52. > :21:59.a denominational basis -- non- denominational basis. No one would

:21:59. > :22:04.suggest that food banks are the cure to all ills of in society but

:22:04. > :22:10.they are making a vital contribution. My Department is

:22:10. > :22:18.responsible for volunteering and we have published novel island's

:22:18. > :22:22.volunteering strategy for the first time ever. I am continuously

:22:22. > :22:31.astounded -- Northern Ireland's voluntary strategy. I'm continually

:22:31. > :22:36.astounded by the voluntary and that takes place. Millions of pounds are

:22:36. > :22:39.donated annually to support volunteering across the province. I

:22:39. > :22:45.recognise those who give of their time and expertise to support

:22:45. > :22:48.people., Nelson McCausland.

:22:48. > :22:50.The Finance Minister, Sammy Wilson, took the opportunity last week to

:22:50. > :22:54.update the Finance Committee on the situation surrounding the tax on

:22:54. > :23:00.flights out of Northern Ireland, as we can hear now in our weekly look

:23:00. > :23:07.at committee business. This arose because of the very real

:23:07. > :23:14.danger that we were going to lose the Director haul flight to Newark

:23:14. > :23:21.if we did not get to the issue of passenger duty dealt with. It was

:23:21. > :23:27.made quite clear that because of the difference in the rate at -- of

:23:27. > :23:34.flight from Dublin -- because of the writ, flights from Dublin would

:23:34. > :23:39.be more competitive than flights from Belfast. We took the view we

:23:40. > :23:49.could not afford to lose that. The recommendations in your report,

:23:50. > :23:50.

:23:50. > :23:58.first of what you are concerned generally, so a mine. So are the

:23:58. > :24:04.finance ministers of both regions. It probably affects us more than

:24:04. > :24:10.anywhere else because at least in Scotland and Wales are, there are

:24:10. > :24:16.direct road links. Most of our links with the rest of the United

:24:16. > :24:21.Kingdom have to be done through flight. We were referring to the

:24:21. > :24:31.importance of connectivity through the economy and especially tourism

:24:31. > :24:41.industry. Have you any indications what this measure will open up? In

:24:41. > :24:44.

:24:44. > :24:47.terms of of collectivity in the future? As I said earlier, both

:24:47. > :24:56.departments are looking at what other companies may well be

:24:56. > :25:02.preferred as a result of having a zero rate in Northern Ireland to

:25:02. > :25:07.take flights directly from Northern Ireland to the rest of the world.

:25:07. > :25:14.Identical I'm breaking confidences but we are speaking to a Canadian

:25:14. > :25:21.airline. The target of the programme is to grow exports from

:25:21. > :25:29.Northern Ireland Fortran at -- 20 %. To do that, you are looking beyond

:25:29. > :25:38.Europe. To places where this will is economic growth. Some of those

:25:38. > :25:48.countries are are ready. The we will be trying to get links to the

:25:48. > :25:56.

:25:56. > :26:03.Far East, to South America, to the Middle East. Can you elaborate on

:26:03. > :26:10.of thinking that money might be so better spent elsewhere? There will

:26:10. > :26:20.be far greater merit than having it -- in having better links within

:26:20. > :26:22.

:26:22. > :26:31.Northern Ireland, that might be shown by a cost benefit analysis.

:26:31. > :26:33.It might help businesses more. Or perhaps better rail links!

:26:33. > :26:35.The Finance Minister, Sammy Wilson, contemplating the benefits of an

:26:35. > :26:38.improved rail link with "down there"!

:26:38. > :26:43.Our political correspondent, Martina Purdy, is still with me.

:26:43. > :26:48.This evening, This evening, MLAs have been

:26:48. > :26:55.discussing austerity measures - who's been talking about that?

:26:55. > :26:59.Sinn Fein led the debate and they are talking about the austerity

:26:59. > :27:03.measures coming from London and Dublin and asking the government

:27:03. > :27:08.how they're going to see the economy through this? The DUP

:27:09. > :27:14.thought they had a better way of doing this. They tabled an

:27:14. > :27:18.amendment focused on what London could do, focused on VAT reduction.

:27:18. > :27:23.The SDLP wanted a Scottish * Commission to see how devolved

:27:23. > :27:29.powers might help us to help ourselves. Both amendments fell as

:27:29. > :27:39.to the original Sinn Fein motion. It was defeated 46 votes to 43. So

:27:39. > :27:41.

:27:41. > :27:49.back to the drawing board. Lord Carson's statue has been

:27:49. > :27:53.getting people talking. But it isn't going anywhere? No, although

:27:53. > :27:58.I notice the scaffolding last Friday and it was covered in wood

:27:58. > :28:03.and metal. So I asked about it, perhaps a national symbol was going

:28:03. > :28:09.to go on the plinth? I was assured that Lord Carson would be remaining