:00:37. > :00:39.After yesterday's high drama which saw Nigel Dodds ruling himself
:00:40. > :00:42.out of the DUP leadership, things seemed positively pedestrian today -
:00:43. > :00:44.though several important issues were discussed in the chamber.
:00:45. > :00:47.The move to cut the number of government departments ramped up a
:00:48. > :00:50.gear and the Health Minister went on the attack against people who smoke
:00:51. > :00:55.Reducing government departments here has been a long time coming,
:00:56. > :00:56.but some are sceptical of the benefits...
:00:57. > :01:06.Warm and meaningless phrases, but somehow the mere reduction to nine
:01:07. > :01:07.departments will have a transformative impact in terms of
:01:08. > :01:09.the character of government. Simon Hamilton changes tack on
:01:10. > :01:22.smoking in cars with children and My view is that anyone who smokes in
:01:23. > :01:24.a confined space like a car with children in that car is an idiot.
:01:25. > :01:27.And with me to share his thoughts on today's developments is
:01:28. > :01:37.Back in March the First Minister, Peter Robinson,
:01:38. > :01:39.formally announced the names of Stormont's nine new departments, and
:01:40. > :01:42.after today we're one step closer to seeing them become a reality.
:01:43. > :01:44.The Departments Bill, which would see the majority
:01:45. > :01:47.of the current twelve departments renamed or replaced before next
:01:48. > :01:49.year's Assembly elections, passed its second reading and was granted
:01:50. > :02:06.There will be hopefully financial savings but the primary rationale
:02:07. > :02:10.for this proposal is more efficient and effective government for the
:02:11. > :02:14.people of Northern Ireland. It is hoped that the reorganisation will
:02:15. > :02:19.bring more joined up government and synergies that can be delivered but
:02:20. > :02:25.the Alliance Party would go further. We would reduce the number of MLAs
:02:26. > :02:31.also to 90 in time for the next election and we would also like to
:02:32. > :02:34.see greater use of a statutory duty to cooperate on government
:02:35. > :02:39.departments. I figured his third to say that for some time now there has
:02:40. > :02:51.been some all-party support for reform in this house and within the
:02:52. > :02:53.structures there has been an agreement on the reduction of
:02:54. > :02:56.departments. We now have that proposal and as far as we are
:02:57. > :02:58.concerned, it is the time to get on with it and to deliver what we
:02:59. > :03:01.promised we would deliver. I hope that in the context of the recent
:03:02. > :03:06.negotiations that this will form part of evolving this place into a
:03:07. > :03:11.more efficient working relationship. There is some sense that somehow or
:03:12. > :03:13.another the reduction to nine departments is a more efficient
:03:14. > :03:20.working relationship. There is some sense that somehow or another the
:03:21. > :03:26.reduction to nine departments is up and I will give way but I will
:03:27. > :03:33.finish this point before I do. The nine departments will lead to more
:03:34. > :03:38.joined up government. The Junior Minister says it will eliminate
:03:39. > :03:44.unnecessary bureaucracy. And so on and so forth. Scores of war and
:03:45. > :03:52.meaningless phrases. Warm meaningless phrases that somehow the
:03:53. > :03:57.mere reduction to nine departments will have a transformative impact in
:03:58. > :04:04.terms of the character of government and the content of our politics.
:04:05. > :04:13.That is if anyone indulges that view. It is idle as it is casual and
:04:14. > :04:18.foolish. This is not some idea that has emerged out of the left field.
:04:19. > :04:23.It has been around the same blog on a few occasions. This is not an
:04:24. > :04:28.insignificant bill, it may be small in terms of clauses, but it is a
:04:29. > :04:33.bill of acute importance because it will impact on everything a person
:04:34. > :04:37.in Northern Ireland. From the day and hour we eventually reduce the
:04:38. > :04:42.number of departments, that is why in this debate I state that the
:04:43. > :04:46.Ulster Unionist Party has concerns about such an important bill being
:04:47. > :04:52.introduced so late in the mandate and the attempts to use Excel array
:04:53. > :04:57.to passage means it will not receive the attention it deserves. We are
:04:58. > :05:01.not arguing against the rationale of cutting the departments, our quarrel
:05:02. > :05:05.is not with the content of the bill, it is with the failure of the
:05:06. > :05:09.Executive to run the government and get this matter are agreed. As
:05:10. > :05:13.streamlined Department system will offer fresh opportunities for
:05:14. > :05:19.improving the way we do business. The future departments will have a
:05:20. > :05:23.clear identity which will be appreciated by citizens. The new
:05:24. > :05:34.slimmed down structure will enable related policies and functions to be
:05:35. > :05:36.put together and synergies to be achieved. It will provide a leaner
:05:37. > :05:39.more efficient Executive. The changes will have consequences for
:05:40. > :05:42.this Assembly, fewer Executive departments should simplify
:05:43. > :05:45.committee structures and business scheduling. Together with wider
:05:46. > :05:54.public sector services... Emma Pengelly - and the second stage
:05:55. > :05:57.of the bill passed on an oral vote. The proposals in this bill have
:05:58. > :06:07.been a long time coming... Yes they have been around for a
:06:08. > :06:11.while and I think it is fitting that Emma Pengelly articulated the
:06:12. > :06:15.argument for reform because it has been something that the DUP have
:06:16. > :06:20.been interested in. That being said, I think Alex Attwood struck
:06:21. > :06:24.the right though. It is one thing to say it will lead to more streamlined
:06:25. > :06:30.government as Emma Pengelly said, however what we know is that it is
:06:31. > :06:35.the nature of the relationship between the governing parties that
:06:36. > :06:38.will lead to the type of synergies and interconnected government, that
:06:39. > :06:45.remains to be seen after the next election whether he ever decides to
:06:46. > :06:46.go into the next Executive can form a harmonious relationship that takes
:06:47. > :06:48.it forward. Not all departments are affected
:06:49. > :06:58.by the bill, though... A number have not been. Those that
:06:59. > :07:03.have, the new economy department which will bring together the
:07:04. > :07:11.employment and learning, it will be interesting to see to the DUP once
:07:12. > :07:14.again take finance first in which case Sinn Fein have the choice of
:07:15. > :07:18.opting for the economy department and finally take a department with
:07:19. > :07:22.money or do they go for education. In the time ahead, that will be
:07:23. > :07:24.interesting to see do we have new faces in terms of the parties in the
:07:25. > :07:38.new departments. They are disappearing, but a
:07:39. > :07:42.minister is going to be taking responsibility for those areas. The
:07:43. > :07:46.point can be made in other jurisdictions, they can cope quite
:07:47. > :07:50.handily with the smaller number of departments, greater
:07:51. > :07:54.responsibilities, this is a very small region. There have been
:07:55. > :07:56.shake-ups in Westminster without any great discussion.
:07:57. > :07:58.Some concerns were put forward there about such a significant piece
:07:59. > :08:05.of legislation being rushed through accelerated passage?
:08:06. > :08:11.I do not share those concerns. We have had these discussions for years
:08:12. > :08:16.and we are at the point that this needs to get pushed through. It
:08:17. > :08:19.needs to be in place a head of the next elections.
:08:20. > :08:23.Arguments also for reducing the number of MLAs.
:08:24. > :08:36.I cannot see it happening until those five years have passed. The
:08:37. > :08:43.reason we had 108 MLAs was so that all the minority parties would be
:08:44. > :08:48.represented. We are now a long way into this new year and I think the
:08:49. > :08:52.parties are comfortable about moving from six seat constituencies down to
:08:53. > :08:56.five. Interesting what will happen after that, the number of
:08:57. > :09:00.Westminster seats if that was to reduce further, we would move from
:09:01. > :09:02.90 two 80. The Health Minister today revealed
:09:03. > :09:05.to MLAs that he hopes to see smoking in cars carrying children
:09:06. > :09:08.made illegal in Northern Ireland. In fact,
:09:09. > :09:10.Simon Hamilton went as far as to He confirmed
:09:11. > :09:14.the new law could be part of another larger health bill making
:09:15. > :09:28.its way through the Assembly... Before I move on to part two I want
:09:29. > :09:33.to address an issue that is not in the bill but many believe should be.
:09:34. > :09:37.Many people were concerned about the omission of a clause banning smoking
:09:38. > :09:41.in cars with children. I have listened carefully to the arguments
:09:42. > :09:45.made by many that Northern Ireland should follow the example in other
:09:46. > :09:50.parts of the UK and I can confirm to the House that it is my intention to
:09:51. > :09:54.bring forward an amendment to ban smoking in cars with children. I
:09:55. > :09:59.would like to indicate my intention to bring forward an amendment on a
:10:00. > :10:05.sugar tax levy insuring that the Department will consult on a levy on
:10:06. > :10:13.sugar sweetened drinks. This is a major source of our ill health,
:10:14. > :10:17.particularly among our younger children and young people.
:10:18. > :10:22.Conditions such as obesity, type two diabetes, cardiovascular disease and
:10:23. > :10:27.tooth decay, so consumption of sugary drinks is higher among young
:10:28. > :10:32.people and those on low incomes. Scotland and Wales and the Republic
:10:33. > :10:37.are legislating while England has introduced a ban. There is a great
:10:38. > :10:41.risk and it is welcome what the minister is doing but there is a
:10:42. > :10:45.great risk that children here will be left behind to suffer a great
:10:46. > :10:52.risk that children here will be left behind to suffer detrimental effects
:10:53. > :10:55.for the introduction of the ban. Some parents smoke in cars under the
:10:56. > :11:00.well intended assumption that winding down the window will let the
:11:01. > :11:04.smoke out. In reality, that only pushes it back into the back of the
:11:05. > :11:10.car. In these types of conditions, it has been proven that smoke can
:11:11. > :11:15.reach up to ten times the recognised unhealthy level and often lingers
:11:16. > :11:20.for hours. I believe there is a sound medical reason to introduce
:11:21. > :11:26.this ban. Unlike adults, children do not really have any choice regarding
:11:27. > :11:33.whether they are in an enclosed place or not with someone who is
:11:34. > :11:37.smoking. We have already banned smoking in enclosed public places
:11:38. > :11:43.and workplaces and that is very welcome. Smoking has also been
:11:44. > :11:47.prohibited in vehicles if they are work-related. This extension to the
:11:48. > :11:52.law to protect our young people would seem logical and consistent
:11:53. > :11:55.with what we have done before. I am delighted to see that the Minister
:11:56. > :11:59.is intending to bring an amendment which will make it an offence to
:12:00. > :12:03.smoke in cars carrying children. The adverse effects of passive smoking
:12:04. > :12:08.have been well documented for years and its effect on children are even
:12:09. > :12:15.greater. Children cannot make their own decisions in respect of passive
:12:16. > :12:19.smoking in a car so by introducing this ban, we will protect children
:12:20. > :12:24.from these effects. Also the associated health problems. The
:12:25. > :12:27.arguments to why we should do this are well rehearsed. The health
:12:28. > :12:32.implications for children, the lack of choice for them, the fact that
:12:33. > :12:38.their immune systems and their bodies are not fully developed, the
:12:39. > :12:45.harm is exponentially worse on a young child than for example one of
:12:46. > :12:50.us sitting in a car. My view is that anyone who smokes in a confined
:12:51. > :12:57.space like a car with children in that car is an idiot. Given the
:12:58. > :13:03.multiplicity of evidence that there is about the damage that smoking
:13:04. > :13:08.does to individuals themselves, the well-established knowledge and
:13:09. > :13:11.information that second-hand smoke can do damage and particularly be
:13:12. > :13:12.impact that it can have on young children.
:13:13. > :13:14.And the second stage of that bill was passed.
:13:15. > :13:16.That debate was in the Assembly either side of lunch
:13:17. > :13:19.but there was no rest for the Health Minister as sandwiched in
:13:20. > :13:24.And given his recent announcement it came as little surprise that the
:13:25. > :13:28.scrapping of the Health and Social Care Board was the hot topic...
:13:29. > :13:36.On the 4th of November I outlined radical plans for transforming our
:13:37. > :13:40.health and social care system, the proposed changes seek to reduce
:13:41. > :13:44.pre-Chrissy as well as the department taking firmer strategic
:13:45. > :13:47.control of our health and social care system. I want trust to be
:13:48. > :13:51.responsible for the planning of care in their areas and to give them
:13:52. > :13:55.independence to deliver it. I propose that we close down the
:13:56. > :13:58.Health and Social Care Board. Departmental officials are currently
:13:59. > :14:03.drafting a document that seeks views on the changes and I aim to bring
:14:04. > :14:09.forward that consultation as soon as I can to gather views. I have been
:14:10. > :14:13.encouraged by the positive response to my proposals from other
:14:14. > :14:19.politicians and from members of the public.
:14:20. > :14:24.The ministers of the potential for change before the Admiral Sir George
:14:25. > :14:32.Zambellas -- legislation has been put in place? The panel will look at
:14:33. > :14:46.the best confederation of our services. -- configuration. It will
:14:47. > :14:50.probably take 18 months to do that. That is a reflection of what I
:14:51. > :14:55.believed to be the realistic timetable to get the legislation in
:14:56. > :15:03.place. Bearing in mind there is an election coming up. Officials have
:15:04. > :15:07.been working assiduously on producing a consultation document
:15:08. > :15:13.and I hope to be in a position to prove that shortly and launch it
:15:14. > :15:17.soon after to start this process of consultation which will provide the
:15:18. > :15:22.format for the drafting of legislation. Can the Minister assure
:15:23. > :15:29.the house there will be no redundancies? I do not envisage any
:15:30. > :15:36.compulsory redundancies but that is not to see there will not be the
:15:37. > :15:41.need to get rid of some posts. I do not see a compulsory redundancy
:15:42. > :15:47.process. It is worth emphasising that this is about getting a system
:15:48. > :15:53.which is appropriate in place for our staff so weak and get the best
:15:54. > :15:59.from them. I do not believe the system currently in place is getting
:16:00. > :16:05.the best out of our staff, talents are not being optimised. There are
:16:06. > :16:11.too many layers. Has the Minister not got a target in terms of savings
:16:12. > :16:17.which will come out of it as well as other organisational advantages? Are
:16:18. > :16:23.there are too many people, it has grown too large over the years? I
:16:24. > :16:33.accept the point he makes about the size of it growing. It has increased
:16:34. > :16:43.since its inception in 2010 by 160 members of staff. And interview to
:16:44. > :16:48.the Belfast Telegraph said that he wanted the organisation to be a
:16:49. > :16:54.leading organisation and there should be a maximum of 250 staff but
:16:55. > :17:03.after a lot of crying that they could not do it with that number, I
:17:04. > :17:10.allowed it to go to 350. In fact it started off at 436 members of staff
:17:11. > :17:17.during his tenure. A lot higher than the 250 we envisaged. I presume he
:17:18. > :17:21.was talking about crying and civil servants who he told me could not
:17:22. > :17:24.run our health service at the committee but it was clear they
:17:25. > :17:25.could get him to do whatever they wanted.
:17:26. > :17:29.Simon Hamilton, unable to resist having a pop
:17:30. > :17:33.Dealing with the past - it was the one issue that
:17:34. > :17:35.politicians failed to agree on in the recent Fresh Start deal.
:17:36. > :17:38.But while the talks didn't bring about a resolution on that matter,
:17:39. > :17:41.the Justice Minister announced today that he's agreed to recruit
:17:42. > :17:42.investigative support for the Coroners' Service
:17:43. > :17:55.The failure of the latest political agreement to come to an agreement on
:17:56. > :17:59.legacy matters makes progress on legacy matters more difficult. I
:18:00. > :18:03.appreciate the disappointment this will cost effectiveness. I want to
:18:04. > :18:07.deliver as much as I can for families so I have agreed to the
:18:08. > :18:11.Tribunal service launching a recruitment scheme with a view to
:18:12. > :18:17.providing support for the Coroners' Service. The scheme is launched
:18:18. > :18:21.yesterday and I would expect appointments by next spring. The
:18:22. > :18:26.cost of such appointments will result in further pressure on my
:18:27. > :18:32.department. Does he agree the current process does not provide
:18:33. > :18:37.access to investigations with unacceptable timeline? He makes a
:18:38. > :18:43.point which has a number of different factors. There are
:18:44. > :18:50.problems around resource in for the Coroners' Service. There are also
:18:51. > :18:54.issues regarding legacy issues were matters have been engaged which need
:18:55. > :18:58.clarification from the police or Ministry of Defence, especially
:18:59. > :19:04.where a national security issues are engaged. I am determined to put the
:19:05. > :19:08.maximum resources into the Coroners' Service. Good work has been done to
:19:09. > :19:16.strengthen the complement of coroners by assigning judges to deal
:19:17. > :19:20.with coroners cases. Until we resolve the fundamental issue of
:19:21. > :19:27.resourcing, it will not be done as fast as we would wish. I am away in
:19:28. > :19:31.the case of the Kingsmills inquest, a preliminary hearing has been held
:19:32. > :19:36.and a further is due to be held before Christmas. The intention is
:19:37. > :19:44.to proceed if matters can be strengthened at the preliminary
:19:45. > :19:50.hearing, we will proceed to a full hearing in early 2016. This hearing
:19:51. > :19:55.is being looked after by one of the High Court judges who has been moved
:19:56. > :20:05.across to assess the Coroners' Service. This should help produce
:20:06. > :20:10.results for the families concerned. Could the minister inform the house
:20:11. > :20:15.if there's 56 outstanding legacy requests will be completed within a
:20:16. > :20:23.reasonable period of time or will be completed at all? At the moment, the
:20:24. > :20:27.Lord Chief Justice having assumed the presidency of the coroners
:20:28. > :20:35.courts in line with an Assembly decision, has instructed one of the
:20:36. > :20:40.senior judges to review all of those outstanding 56 cases. That will lead
:20:41. > :20:45.to a healing by Lord Justice we're in each of them in the month of
:20:46. > :20:50.January. That will establish the position for all of those cases and
:20:51. > :20:56.which will move forward speedily and which will take longer or creative
:20:57. > :21:02.goodies. There are difficulties and disclosure matters which are causing
:21:03. > :21:07.delay in a number of them. I am determined that we will put the
:21:08. > :21:10.resources in, if they can be made available. Members will recall there
:21:11. > :21:15.was a promise from the Prime Minister when you Google for funding
:21:16. > :21:24.to deal with legacy matters but we have not seen the additional funding
:21:25. > :21:30.so far. I am determined to see blue will make progress within the system
:21:31. > :21:31.and funding will be put from the limited budget into dealing with the
:21:32. > :21:35.past. There was plenty of legislation
:21:36. > :21:38.today for Members to get their teeth into and it was onto the last course
:21:39. > :21:42.for the Food Hygiene Rating Bill as it now moves to Royal Assent
:21:43. > :21:44.after passing its final stage. The bill aims to make it mandatory
:21:45. > :21:47.for food businesses to display a food hygiene rating sticker
:21:48. > :21:54.on their premises. Not only will the bill Ann Maguire
:21:55. > :21:59.consumers to make an informed choice regarding where they choose to eat
:22:00. > :22:10.or shop for food but it will provide an impetus for businesses to
:22:11. > :22:15.maintain food hygiene. It will drive standards for individual businesses.
:22:16. > :22:20.There are 40 cases of foodborne illnesses every year which result in
:22:21. > :22:29.hospitalisation and resulted in 24 deaths. This costs ?83 million to
:22:30. > :22:35.the economy. The intention was that businesses would only be required to
:22:36. > :22:40.display as sticker made of plastic at a physical location on their
:22:41. > :22:45.premises. The committee was concerned that the Food Standards
:22:46. > :22:52.Agency did not intend this should be displayed on websites. We will of
:22:53. > :22:58.the view that given that customers place orders for food on websites,
:22:59. > :23:04.those websites should display this. The previous scheme was voluntarily
:23:05. > :23:12.and played a valuable role in establishing overall authority. It
:23:13. > :23:16.has been very successful. It operates on that completely
:23:17. > :23:21.voluntary basis. When the committee found only 56% of establishments
:23:22. > :23:31.where I'd healing to it, it underscored the need for action.
:23:32. > :23:36.Where I'd healing to it. Many people were not aware of these stickers
:23:37. > :23:42.were mandatory so this bill has addressed what some would consider
:23:43. > :23:46.an omission of existing policy. Overall, the voluntary scheme has
:23:47. > :23:51.worked well but inevitably people who had something to hide were least
:23:52. > :23:52.likely to get involved. The numbers proved that.
:23:53. > :23:55.Bullying - either online or in the playground.
:23:56. > :23:57.It's something the Education Minister is very keen to
:23:58. > :24:00.And today John O'Dowd's bill addressing the issue reached
:24:01. > :24:06.The Minister began by outlining the bill's goals...
:24:07. > :24:16.This is a short bill with just three objectives, to provide an inclusive
:24:17. > :24:20.definition of bullying, introduced a duty for schools to keep a record of
:24:21. > :24:25.bullying and to introduce a duty for the Board of Governors to play a
:24:26. > :24:32.more direct role in how bullying is dealt with in their school. These
:24:33. > :24:38.will help establish a framework of good practice which schools can
:24:39. > :24:42.adapt to their individual needs. I think the committee hopes the
:24:43. > :24:46.department will use the information from the database along with pupil
:24:47. > :24:53.absence data to develop useful pupil guidance which will start getting
:24:54. > :24:58.rid of bullying from our schools. That is a general welcome from the
:24:59. > :25:02.education committee for the spell. Sometimes teachers are afraid to
:25:03. > :25:10.deal with issues arising from bullying. This is not helping
:25:11. > :25:17.pupils. This notion of banter, just traditional banter. I see this as a
:25:18. > :25:23.member of a football club and someone who has coached young
:25:24. > :25:28.people. The use of language, some people describe it as banter. I
:25:29. > :25:32.strongly support the principle behind the clause but I have
:25:33. > :25:38.concerns. I believe the language should be stronger and be specific
:25:39. > :25:42.to place a duty on the school to actively review its policies on a
:25:43. > :25:46.yearly basis. Schools review their policy and practice as part of their
:25:47. > :25:54.annual review of their development plan so I think this should be
:25:55. > :25:58.incorporated in this. We also need to see the supporting guidance to
:25:59. > :26:03.the bill. What formal brigade against take? Who will rate it and
:26:04. > :26:10.window be finalised? Will it be before the end of March 2016 when
:26:11. > :26:18.this Assembly will be dissolved? -- who will write it. Sectarianism is
:26:19. > :26:26.not specifically mentioned, political opinion is and religion or
:26:27. > :26:30.belief. But we have a particular problem year at around sectarianism
:26:31. > :26:35.so perhaps it needs to be in there. The danger of not tackling wider
:26:36. > :26:43.issues as we risk losing another three up to five years. The Lord
:26:44. > :26:46.Chief Justice said keeping MPs with legislation is often a slow response
:26:47. > :26:50.in keeping up with these issues. NI21's Basil McCrea - and Chris
:26:51. > :26:53.Donnelly is here for a final word... Let's stay with the topic of
:26:54. > :26:56.bullying - you're a vice principal, do you feel this is an issue that
:26:57. > :27:08.needs to be on the statute books? Very much so. I welcome it. Schools
:27:09. > :27:15.will be keen to share the definition with children and parents. The bill
:27:16. > :27:19.is also giving clarity to schools to see when they are obliged to
:27:20. > :27:25.intervene. Not just about bullying inside the school. There is a
:27:26. > :27:31.responsibility to children outside school grounds. It is important that
:27:32. > :27:35.schools have the authority to take action as necessary. Let us talk
:27:36. > :27:36.about musical chairs. And we could be about to see
:27:37. > :27:43.the return of a former Minister. It seems Michelle Gildernew is
:27:44. > :27:55.in the hunt for a seat in Yes, Pat Ramsey was a very popular
:27:56. > :28:02.MLA and he has also had his house attacked over a period of years by
:28:03. > :28:05.dissidents. No one will graduate in his retirement. Sinn Fein are
:28:06. > :28:12.looking stunned by the loss of Michelle Gildernew's seat and they
:28:13. > :28:15.want her back in the Assembly. I think they want her back in the
:28:16. > :28:18.Assembly because she is one of their stronger candidates. Thank you very
:28:19. > :28:21.much, as ever. That's it from the Stormont
:28:22. > :28:24.team until the New Year. Do join me for The View, though,
:28:25. > :28:27.on Thursday at 10.35 on BBC1. We'll leave you with this Christmas
:28:28. > :28:30.send off from across the chamber. From everyone in the team -
:28:31. > :28:40.bye bye and Happy Christmas. I thank the member for his question
:28:41. > :28:44.and his Christmas cheer. We think there are some people in this house
:28:45. > :28:52.who need a hug but I am not up for that. I would not even ask an elf to
:28:53. > :28:55.hug you Gregory, let's be frank. Sometimes, all that's needed
:28:56. > :28:59.is a helping hand. Recognising someone's value,
:29:00. > :29:05.and seeing when they need help. A few minutes out of our lives
:29:06. > :29:09.to show that we care. We're all doing something to
:29:10. > :29:18.support older people this Christmas.