:00:27. > :00:30.Hello and welcome to Stormont Today. Coming up on the programme - MLAs
:00:30. > :00:39.pay tribute to the young PSNI officer killed on duty at the
:00:39. > :00:41.weekend. We are, sadly, the losers as a
:00:41. > :00:44.society for a young woman who has passed on as a result of this
:00:44. > :00:51.accident. The Employment Minister announces a
:00:52. > :00:54.review of policy on apprenticeships. My ambition is to have a system of
:00:54. > :00:57.apprenticeships that is regarded as gold standard across Europe.
:00:57. > :01:02.Our political correspondent is here to analyse today's events on the
:01:02. > :01:06.hill. Today's business began on a sombre
:01:06. > :01:10.note as MLAs paid tribute to the police woman who died in a crash in
:01:10. > :01:14.Londonderry at the weekend. 27 year-old Phillipa Reynolds was a
:01:14. > :01:18.back-seat passenger in a police car when it was hit by a stolen vehicle
:01:18. > :01:21.on the Limavady Road. The DUP's Gregory Campbell, who tabled the
:01:21. > :01:30.matter of the day, said his prayers were with the officer's family and
:01:30. > :01:36.PSNI colleagues. I, like many people in Northern
:01:36. > :01:42.Ireland, a walk on Saturday morning to the terrible news of the death
:01:42. > :01:50.of Constable Phillipa Reynolds. But none more so than the family and
:01:50. > :01:53.close friends of the young woman. As you have said, Deputy Speaker, I
:01:53. > :01:58.do not wish to allude to the circumstances which are before the
:01:58. > :02:03.court, but merely to ensure that the entire community, as
:02:03. > :02:11.represented in the Northern Ireland Assembly, share with the grief that
:02:11. > :02:14.the family and friends of this young woman. We are, sadly, the
:02:14. > :02:20.losers as a society, for a young woman who has passed down as a
:02:20. > :02:27.result of this accident. I think what we need to do today is to
:02:27. > :02:31.stand united with the police family, to stand with the wider community
:02:31. > :02:35.as the police serve this entire community as they have done over
:02:35. > :02:39.the past 40 years and assure them of our thoughts and our prayers at
:02:39. > :02:43.this very difficult time. A what is absolutely clear is that Phillipa
:02:43. > :02:48.Reynolds died doing the job which she was enthusiastic about and to
:02:48. > :02:53.which she was dedicated. She was working on behalf of everyone in
:02:53. > :02:57.this community. I spoke over the weekend to the chief constable and
:02:57. > :03:01.the deputy chief constable and other officers in Belfast. It was
:03:01. > :03:05.absolutely clear that this tragic death has affected the PSNI deeply
:03:05. > :03:09.yet it was also appear in the conversation I had early on
:03:09. > :03:13.Saturday morning with an officer in Strand Road that there was also the
:03:13. > :03:19.resilience and determination, both to do the job in general and to
:03:19. > :03:23.ensure that those who perpetrated the Act were caught. There is a
:03:23. > :03:26.resilience and a strong determination of the PSNI to
:03:26. > :03:30.determine to do their job and make Northern Ireland saver for all of
:03:30. > :03:35.us. It is clear that full of the Reynolds was a remarkable young
:03:35. > :03:38.woman and the PSNI and we as a community have lost a bright young
:03:38. > :03:44.talent he would have made a distinctive contribution to our
:03:44. > :03:49.community. Enclosing, I'd like to offer very, very sincere
:03:49. > :03:53.condolences to her family. When young people die in such tragic
:03:53. > :03:57.circumstances, it has an effect be on the family but I think we can
:03:57. > :04:05.only imagine the tremendous impact and our thoughts are with them at
:04:05. > :04:12.this stage. I have the honour to serve in the PSNI and I know the
:04:12. > :04:16.camaraderie that exists when officers are on jittery. -- on duty.
:04:16. > :04:20.I know the fund people can have, I know the characters they meet in
:04:20. > :04:25.their life as police officers. But the friends you make when on Patrol
:04:25. > :04:29.are those that will be with you for the rest of your days. I know what
:04:30. > :04:33.it is like to be in a police car or when it is hit by another one, as I
:04:33. > :04:39.was in a police car that was rant on one occasion, and I am paying
:04:39. > :04:45.for it yet. For a young woman, 20 and years of age, to lose her life
:04:45. > :04:48.in such tragic circumstances, it is something you cannot comprehend. We
:04:48. > :04:53.cannot comprehend it but our thoughts and prayers must be with
:04:53. > :05:00.her family, because they are the people that have had the biggest
:05:00. > :05:04.loss. This incident highlights the risks and dangers faced by the
:05:04. > :05:10.police and indeed by all our emergency services on a daily and
:05:10. > :05:13.nightly basis. And why we must give them all the support that they need
:05:13. > :05:19.to to serve and protect our community.
:05:19. > :05:24.I'm joined now by our political correspondent, Gareth Gordon. As
:05:24. > :05:27.far as the day's politics concerned, we had a draft bill on political
:05:27. > :05:32.matters and the secretary of state, a long time coming and then
:05:32. > :05:36.suddenly it appeared out of nowhere? Yes, the Northern Ireland
:05:36. > :05:40.Office have good at the possibility at making a number of changes to
:05:40. > :05:44.the way the system of government at Stormont but it is not going to
:05:44. > :05:49.happen. Late this afternoon it published a draft bill which is
:05:49. > :05:53.remarkable for what it does not do. They had been looking at the
:05:53. > :05:59.possibility of extending his Assembly term until 2016 but they
:05:59. > :06:02.said no compelling case could be made so the term will end up in
:06:02. > :06:07.2015. Then there was the possibility of providing foreign
:06:07. > :06:15.opposition. Again, is said such a change could come about with the
:06:15. > :06:21.grain of the parties. In spite of the lone voices. What about a
:06:21. > :06:27.smaller Assembly as advocated by the DUP? Again, a no, so we are
:06:27. > :06:32.stuck with 108 MLAs. It makes it clear that double jobbing between
:06:32. > :06:36.Westminster and Stormont should end with this Assembly team? Yes,
:06:36. > :06:43.everybody expected it. At the parties have prevented it already.
:06:43. > :06:50.The DUP only have to have their MPs -- MLAs rather, retaining their
:06:50. > :06:55.Westminster seat. That is Sammy Wilson and Gregory Campbell. Four
:06:55. > :06:59.of Sinn Fein's five double jobbing MLAs, they have resigned their
:06:59. > :07:02.Stormont seats and the one remaining of the Deputy First
:07:02. > :07:08.Minister Martin McGuinness has given up his Westminster seat in
:07:08. > :07:15.Mid-Ulster. We now have a date for that by election? At long last, it
:07:15. > :07:19.has to be said. Contrast what has happened here to what has happened
:07:19. > :07:26.in Eastleigh where Chris shoon resigned in a blaze of unwelcome
:07:26. > :07:29.publicity last week. The voters there will go to the polls in 28th
:07:30. > :07:37.February. That is not what happened in Mid-Ulster were Martin
:07:37. > :07:45.McGuinness resigned at the end of last year. Yet, the by election or
:07:45. > :07:49.not be held until March 7th, a week after Eastleigh. Early days as far
:07:49. > :07:52.as that campaign is concerned, given that the announcement of the
:07:52. > :07:56.date was only made today but do we know how the runners and riders are
:07:56. > :08:03.shaping up? We have known that Sinn Fein's candidate will be Francie
:08:03. > :08:08.Molloy. He is the deputy speaker here at the Assembly and he will be
:08:08. > :08:11.the favourite. The SDLP's can live will be Patsy McGlone and the
:08:11. > :08:15.loyalist victims campaigner Willie Fraser has also signalled his
:08:15. > :08:23.intention to run as well but the bid speculation before this by-
:08:23. > :08:29.election has been his will they be a unionist candidate, on a green
:08:29. > :08:33.one candidate as in a Fermanagh us with Tyrone. Their last candidate
:08:33. > :08:39.failed by an here for God's but Mid-Ulster is a different kettle of
:08:39. > :08:42.fish. It is a very nationalist area so it would be a major surprise if
:08:42. > :08:48.Francie Molloy did not win back seat for Sinn Fein but it seems
:08:48. > :08:51.that the possibility of a unionist unity candidate is receding. We
:08:51. > :08:56.learnt that the Ulster Unionist Party in Mid-Ulster are holding a
:08:56. > :09:02.selection meeting on Thursday which of course is our times day so it
:09:02. > :09:07.looks like they intend running a candidate. Unless it is alas no
:09:07. > :09:09.surprise come it doesn't look like they will be a unity candidate.
:09:10. > :09:14.The First Minister has warned that reaching a comprehensive agreement
:09:14. > :09:16.on how to deal with the past will continue to be a difficult process.
:09:16. > :09:19.Peter Robinson was speaking during question time when his department
:09:19. > :09:29.was also asked about a sexual orientation strategy and gay
:09:29. > :09:29.
:09:29. > :09:38.marriage. First though, a question on a key public appointment.
:09:38. > :09:45.Can I ask the First Minister for an update on the chief Executive's
:09:45. > :09:50.position? We went out to public advertising for those posts and be
:09:50. > :09:58.received a number of applications. It was a general view that after it
:09:58. > :10:01.had gone through the official -- officials that there was not
:10:01. > :10:08.sufficient choice for the Deputy First Minister and I to move it
:10:08. > :10:12.forward and therefore we have gone out to advertise again and I hope
:10:12. > :10:18.there will be a public interest and people will put their name forward
:10:18. > :10:24.for a important positions of a chair and board members. Does he
:10:24. > :10:28.recognise that it is a major problem, the prevalent belief that
:10:28. > :10:35.the IRA will never tell the truth about the past and therefore, does
:10:35. > :10:39.he agree that it would be a significant confidence-building
:10:39. > :10:44.measure if those terrorists he sustains in government would
:10:44. > :10:47.publicly tell the truth about their past instead of the Deputy First
:10:47. > :10:52.Minister for example trying to pretend to us all that he
:10:52. > :10:57.mysteriously left the IRA in the 1970s? We would want everybody to
:10:57. > :11:03.tell the truth, whether a member of the Assembly or minister in the
:11:03. > :11:07.Executive. I am only left wondering if he feels the way that he does,
:11:07. > :11:11.why he would have put forward a preference for a voluntary
:11:11. > :11:18.coalition with Sinn Fein when he did, rather than going forward with
:11:18. > :11:23.a mandatory coalition, as we did. The First Minister is a minister
:11:23. > :11:28.without a terrorist past but can he confirm that if and when he is in
:11:28. > :11:32.the capital of the Irish Republic at any formal event promoting jobs
:11:32. > :11:38.in Northern Ireland for example, if there were a toast to the President
:11:38. > :11:41.of that country, that he would stay and toast the President, unlike her
:11:41. > :11:45.recent event in London when the Deputy First Minister did not?
:11:45. > :11:51.they should be nothing and anyone's past that should put them in a
:11:51. > :11:56.position where they fail to respect, tolerate and understand the
:11:56. > :12:05.protocols that are involved and certainly when in the Irish public,
:12:05. > :12:11.I have to recognise and respect the head of state. When the First
:12:11. > :12:16.Minister today join with me in calling on the two governments and
:12:16. > :12:20.all parties in this house to sit down soon to develop an ethical
:12:20. > :12:28.basis on which we should do with a pass? We have had discussions in
:12:28. > :12:32.terms of how we handle the past and my finger is a recognition that
:12:32. > :12:36.before we set up this administration, we had to agree on
:12:36. > :12:41.the past and our goals for the future. It is unlikely that this
:12:41. > :12:46.administration would be set up. I think it is vitally important that
:12:46. > :12:51.we do deal with issues from the past, we do that in terms of
:12:51. > :12:55.considerable funding that we give to victims' organisations. We have
:12:55. > :13:00.done that in terms of recommending that it would be appropriate for us
:13:00. > :13:05.to build into the new peace and conflict resolution centre at the
:13:05. > :13:10.Maze, some storytelling facility so that victims without harassment of
:13:10. > :13:14.cross-examination by a lawyer has, can tell their story, can indicate
:13:14. > :13:19.the hurt that it has caused them, the effect it has had on their
:13:19. > :13:23.lives. I am not sure and I have had no indication that there is
:13:23. > :13:30.agreement around this chamber, never mind outside, not even within
:13:30. > :13:40.the victims sector for any one way of dealing with the past.
:13:40. > :13:53.
:13:53. > :13:57.Can I remind him of his words to this House on 17th September? I
:13:57. > :14:03.croaked, his confirmation to have that draft ready and out for
:14:03. > :14:09.consultation by the end of 2012. Can he tell us what has led to the
:14:09. > :14:14.slippage? We remain committed to publishing the strategy. We are
:14:14. > :14:21.continuing to work with many people within the sector, continuing with
:14:21. > :14:27.our officials are to work through. When we can bring this strategy to
:14:27. > :14:36.the house we will do so. Can the junior minister confirmed that
:14:36. > :14:41.following last week's House of Commons, there are no plans to
:14:41. > :14:47.change the definition here in Northern Ireland? There are no
:14:47. > :14:57.plans to change the definition of marriage here in Northern Ireland.
:14:57. > :14:59.
:14:59. > :15:05.But can I equally say, I am against all friends -- forms of homophobia.
:15:05. > :15:11.The Office will continue to act against any form of homophobic
:15:11. > :15:17.bullying that exists in society. It is wrong, it should not occur. But
:15:17. > :15:23.your specific question was, the house had a motion before it about
:15:23. > :15:27.marriage of people of the same sex. That was defeated by this assembly
:15:27. > :15:35.on the 1st October 1920 12. It is not an issue that is under active
:15:35. > :15:41.consideration. -- October 2012. Junior minister Jonathan Bell.
:15:41. > :15:46.Northern Ireland should aspire to a system of apprenticeships that is
:15:46. > :15:50.regarded as a gold standard across Europe, that was the call from a
:15:50. > :15:56.employment minister Stephen Parry. I strongly endorse the concept of
:15:56. > :16:00.apprenticeships. They constitute a form of training that is warmly
:16:00. > :16:05.embraced by the community. An apprentice is someone who is
:16:05. > :16:09.trained while being employed. I believe that in our evolving
:16:09. > :16:14.economy, there are now new types of employment and therefore training
:16:14. > :16:17.where the apprenticeship concept would be of value. As our economy
:16:17. > :16:22.is going through considerable transformation, bears in terms of
:16:22. > :16:28.the types of goods and services, and the nature of employment and
:16:28. > :16:32.job opportunities, I have decided to launch a major review of
:16:32. > :16:37.apprenticeships and youth training. Our excellent universities already
:16:37. > :16:41.provide clear pathways towards higher skills. Northern Ireland has
:16:41. > :16:46.a clear footprint in higher education. We also have a strong
:16:46. > :16:50.and flexible further education sector, with six excellent colleges
:16:50. > :16:57.providing skills and qualifications at a range of levels. But we also
:16:57. > :17:00.need to ensure week are providing alternative not academic pathways,
:17:00. > :17:05.including a higher level qualifications. Pathways which I've
:17:05. > :17:10.just as rigorous and just as valid. Apprenticeship have lost some of
:17:10. > :17:16.their earlier status and there are several reasons. They are still --
:17:16. > :17:22.and there are still perceptions that they are only for manual jobs.
:17:22. > :17:28.Often, other pathways of education are held in better esteem. A false
:17:28. > :17:33.hierarchy between academic and vocational or technical training
:17:33. > :17:38.and education has been created. This can lead to some rigidity. I
:17:38. > :17:42.want the review to examine how the apprenticeship pathway to a career
:17:42. > :17:46.can be seen as equal or even better than the academic route to enjoying
:17:46. > :17:54.a high levels of a steam, returning it to the level of prestige it once
:17:54. > :17:58.a jury at -- it once enjoyed. My aim is to have a system of
:17:58. > :18:03.apprenticeships that is regarded as gold standard across Europe. I will
:18:03. > :18:13.draw to the minister's attention a statement by the CBI to the
:18:13. > :18:13.
:18:13. > :18:19.committee -- to the committee to set out some difficulties. Of the
:18:19. > :18:25.2000 people that applied, 300 did not bother to turn up. Of the 1,700
:18:25. > :18:31.who set basic skills tests, only 600 came through. Of the 600 that
:18:32. > :18:37.came through and do practical tests, only 283 that. And of the 200 that
:18:37. > :18:42.were interviewed, only 45 were taken on. This shows that
:18:42. > :18:45.apprenticeships cannot be taken in isolation. We need a total solution.
:18:45. > :18:49.What we are dealing with this review is looking at
:18:49. > :18:54.apprenticeships and youth training. But nothing ever happens in
:18:54. > :18:58.isolation and there are are other avenues on the way. I have spoken
:18:58. > :19:05.directly to RNID and I am aware of their particular issues and are
:19:05. > :19:12.happy to engage with them. What consideration has or will be given
:19:12. > :19:17.to the German model, who seemed to have different pathways, and indeed
:19:17. > :19:22.it has to be set, are leaning away so far as the youth employment is
:19:22. > :19:27.concerned? We are going to look very closely at what is happening
:19:27. > :19:31.in Germany. He's right to say that there are very clear alternative
:19:31. > :19:36.pathways that have been established over many generations. We will not
:19:36. > :19:40.be able to just lift that and drop it into our society, given that we
:19:40. > :19:46.have a number of different features locally, which may be are not
:19:46. > :19:49.reflected elsewhere. That way may be holding common with the rest of
:19:49. > :19:55.these islands. But there will be lessons to derive from that in
:19:55. > :20:00.terms of how we better this within industry, how we can build up the
:20:00. > :20:05.esteem of an apprenticeship, how we can communicate to young people
:20:05. > :20:09.that an apprenticeship is as worthwhile as college or university.
:20:09. > :20:14.I am joined by the minister Stephen Farry. You said you were looking at
:20:14. > :20:17.apprenticeships for a much wider jobs -- range of jobs, some of
:20:18. > :20:23.which might not necessarily have been associated with apprenticeship.
:20:24. > :20:27.What sort of areas? For example, the ICT sector, engineering and
:20:27. > :20:31.creative industries, but we also want to hear from employers as to
:20:31. > :20:35.where they feel we should be making investments. For example, I have
:20:35. > :20:40.been talking to some businesses where they have had some
:20:40. > :20:45.apprenticeships. They are training people on the job at a much higher
:20:45. > :20:49.level with technical skills. Although there is no formal
:20:49. > :20:54.accreditation. Some of this training is happening but has not
:20:54. > :20:58.been formally recognised. It is important we look back and see that
:20:58. > :21:05.Northern Ireland has a wonderful industrial heritage, people
:21:05. > :21:10.associated with manual trades. The workshops of the world. But today
:21:10. > :21:15.in the 21st century, with the nature of jobs and employment,
:21:15. > :21:22.things have evolved dramatically. But isn't that the. Accra, that was
:21:22. > :21:27.then, this is now. -- isn't that the point? That was then, this is
:21:27. > :21:32.now. Some of the industry is investing in Northern Ireland want
:21:32. > :21:37.highly qualified IT graduates, not apprenticeships. They actually do
:21:37. > :21:40.want people with apprenticeships but the key point is that the
:21:40. > :21:46.skills requirements in our economy are going to be much higher than
:21:46. > :21:50.has been the case before. We have to upscale across a broad front.
:21:50. > :21:56.All of our competitors are doing the same thing. We do not have to
:21:56. > :22:00.focus only on academic pathways. If we look at the ICT sector, for
:22:00. > :22:05.example, they will be looking to take people from traditional
:22:05. > :22:11.academic places but there is also a real hunger to train people on the
:22:11. > :22:16.job. We have started an ICT pilot at level four. I want to see how we
:22:16. > :22:21.can take back to greater heights. Will the scope of the review
:22:21. > :22:26.involves simplification of the system? Because a game, you want to
:22:26. > :22:33.expand it but she might make it a fairly complicated. -- but again
:22:33. > :22:38.you might expand it but you might make it overly complicated. We have
:22:38. > :22:42.to encourage employers to take on apprentices. Without the support of
:22:42. > :22:46.employers none of this can happen. And then people themselves will
:22:46. > :22:51.have to be encouraged to consider taking on an apprenticeship. So the
:22:51. > :22:56.easier we can make it, the better it will be. We have to bear in mind
:22:56. > :23:02.that in our economy we have a bigger profile of small and medium-
:23:02. > :23:07.sized enterprises than our competitors. We have to see how we
:23:07. > :23:12.can join some of those not up. Thank you. If underoccupancy
:23:12. > :23:15.proposals, the bedroom tax, featured as a hot topic during
:23:15. > :23:20.today's questions to the Social Develop minister.
:23:20. > :23:24.He said his department will do all it can to prevent people becoming
:23:24. > :23:27.homeless but he said his hands were tied by Westminster. It must be
:23:27. > :23:31.remembered that Westminster has brought forward these proposals and
:23:31. > :23:39.in keeping with the principle of Parliament, we are repelled to do
:23:39. > :23:46.the same. However, in order to help people we will put in place housing
:23:46. > :23:50.services. -- we are compelled to do the same. I have tasked the housing
:23:50. > :23:53.associate movement to bring forward an action plan. It will provide a
:23:53. > :23:59.range of support measures to mitigate and support those
:23:59. > :24:03.households affected. My priority remains doing all I can to prevent
:24:03. > :24:09.evictions and tenants being declared homeless. I have asked
:24:09. > :24:14.social landlords to ensure that as far as possible, all options are
:24:14. > :24:18.explored to prevent social tenants are being evicted. Further support
:24:18. > :24:23.for the there is groups may be affected, such as those whose
:24:23. > :24:28.children have grown up and moved on, may be available in discretionary
:24:28. > :24:33.housing payments. The reform changes have identified the
:24:33. > :24:38.potential for stock mismatch and tenant mobility. This has been
:24:38. > :24:48.recognised and his proposed from 2013-14 -- a target for smaller
:24:48. > :24:48.
:24:48. > :24:52.units will be present in the programme. Landlords will be asked
:24:52. > :24:57.whether they are able to bring forward smaller accommodation that
:24:57. > :25:04.would increase their stock of one bedroomed units in those designated
:25:04. > :25:09.areas of particular need. Given the historical circumstances in the
:25:09. > :25:14.North and the lack of housing stock, could he indicate when the
:25:14. > :25:20.proposals will be introduced, and does he really think that they
:25:20. > :25:24.actually can be realised? Member speaks about the historical
:25:24. > :25:27.situation and the historical situation is that unfortunately, in
:25:27. > :25:31.the past, the social housing development programme did not take
:25:31. > :25:37.account of this, even though people knew for a while it was coming, and
:25:37. > :25:41.they should have been a better range of accommodation provided in
:25:41. > :25:44.the programme over a number of years. There are measures we are
:25:44. > :25:49.looking at and I believe those measures, which I said will be
:25:49. > :25:54.brought forward soon, will go a long way to addressing the issue.
:25:54. > :25:57.However, it is a problem not of our making. This is something that has
:25:57. > :26:04.been introduced by the coalition Government and it is something that
:26:04. > :26:08.therefore is effectively put upon us and we cannot shake our heads
:26:08. > :26:12.and hope it will go away, we cannot pretend it is going to go away.
:26:12. > :26:17.This is something that confronts us directly and we have to look at
:26:17. > :26:27.what is possible. Can I ask him to act like what measures are being
:26:27. > :26:27.
:26:28. > :26:32.put in to mitigate the effects of underoccupancy? -- to outline.
:26:32. > :26:38.Building more homes and providing support to those seeking to
:26:38. > :26:42.downside. There is a telephone advice line that will be put in
:26:42. > :26:48.place to raise tenant awareness and to help social tenants consider
:26:48. > :26:52.their options. We also want to see what he's being done with this in
:26:52. > :26:57.the rest of the UK. The measures will include promoting and
:26:57. > :27:02.assisting tenant mobility. Helping them to move to more appropriate
:27:02. > :27:07.sized housing. Examining options that can be put to those tenants
:27:07. > :27:12.who need to move and facilitating home swaps and advising on how to
:27:12. > :27:21.take in lodgers and drink Terence. Also increasing the provision of
:27:21. > :27:25.one bedroom stock. -- and joint tenants. This is something that is
:27:25. > :27:31.being imposed directly by the coalition Government. It is foisted
:27:31. > :27:36.upon us and we have to therefore do what we can I do believe we have to
:27:36. > :27:39.put measures in place. The Social Development Minister, Nelson
:27:39. > :27:47.McCausland. A few final thoughts. Basil
:27:47. > :27:55.muckrake received a formal warning from the Ulster Unionists party. --
:27:55. > :28:00.Basil McRae. He could have accepted his punishment, had the whip
:28:00. > :28:05.restored, but he gave a strong indication to you yesterday on the
:28:05. > :28:09.Sunday Politics that that is not what will happen. There is a
:28:09. > :28:13.possibility of an appeal against this decision. There is even the
:28:13. > :28:20.possibility of legal action. He seems supremely confident of his
:28:20. > :28:25.position whatever happens. But whatever happens, it is impossible
:28:25. > :28:28.to imagine that he will remain a party member for much longer.
:28:29. > :28:36.other thing is the growing controversy over horse meat and
:28:36. > :28:38.they will address this tomorrow? Yes, in a pretty unusual move, the
:28:38. > :28:44.Health and Agriculture committees who are meeting during May and will
:28:44. > :28:49.be briefed by officials on what is happening. -- they are meeting