:00:27. > :00:30.Hello, and welcome to Stormont Today. Coming up in the next 30
:00:30. > :00:34.minutes: the Finance Minister warns that austerity measures could
:00:34. > :00:39.extend to the year 2020, and tough decisions could be on the way.
:00:39. > :00:42.have even had people here talking about us selling off the family
:00:42. > :00:46.silver, et cetera. If they're assets that we have that we're not
:00:46. > :00:50.either using or fully using that we dispose of those to bring in
:00:50. > :00:53.additional revenue - there may as well be hard decisions to be made
:00:53. > :00:58.about additional revenue strings that we need for the future. Find
:00:58. > :01:01.out what mistake this MLA claims was designed, modelled and made
:01:01. > :01:06.here at Stormont. This isn't something which some in this House
:01:06. > :01:16.would be very quick and very glad and very eager to blame upon direct
:01:16. > :01:20.rule. This was a mistake in this House. This was a faux pas made in
:01:20. > :01:24.Stormont. Also: the SDLP leader Alasdair McDonnell on why his party
:01:24. > :01:34.wants Sinn Fein support for a motion of censure against the DSD
:01:34. > :01:35.
:01:35. > :01:37.During yesterday's proceedings, members were treated to a quick
:01:37. > :01:44.economics lesson from the Finance Minister Sammy Wilson. Today, he
:01:44. > :01:50.was on his feet again as he was grilled by his fellow MLAs in
:01:50. > :01:57.Finance Questions. The Minister began by answering a question from
:01:57. > :02:02.Sinn Fein's Boylan. The first thing I would say is our
:02:02. > :02:07.budget is protected for the period up to 2014-15. However - I have
:02:07. > :02:13.made this clear to the Assembly time and time again - that we do
:02:13. > :02:19.have to prepare in the longer run for what we can do to restructure
:02:19. > :02:22.the way we spend money, and I mean, almost every week in this Assembly
:02:22. > :02:27.there are demands for more money to be spent on one thing or the other.
:02:27. > :02:30.We can't, and the first thing we should not be doing is making
:02:30. > :02:35.commitments which are unfunded for the future because that puts
:02:35. > :02:39.further pressure on budgets which are a bit uncertain anyhow.
:02:39. > :02:42.Secondly, we have to look - and this will require very, very hard
:02:42. > :02:46.economic decisions, I think - we have to look at some of the
:02:46. > :02:50.restructuring we need to do - for example, what do we do with some of
:02:50. > :02:53.our public services where currently we can't bring in private sector
:02:53. > :02:58.money or pension fund money or other additional resources to do
:02:58. > :03:03.some of the infrastructure work because of scores against Adele,
:03:03. > :03:07.and that may well mean that we've got to make hard decisions about
:03:07. > :03:14.the structure of some of the public organisations that we currently
:03:14. > :03:18.have in Northern Ireland and which cannot draw in at present private
:03:18. > :03:24.money, and lastly, of course, we've got to ask, well, for many of the
:03:24. > :03:28.assets that we have - and I mean, sometimes people defend them. We
:03:28. > :03:32.have even had people here talking about us selling off the family
:03:32. > :03:35.silver. If there are assets that we have that we're not either using or
:03:35. > :03:39.fully using that we dispose of those to bring in additional
:03:39. > :03:44.revenue. There may well also be hard decisions to be made about
:03:44. > :03:47.additional revenue streams that we need for the future. Thank you very
:03:47. > :03:51.much indeed, Mr Speaker. Given that the dogs in the streets of
:03:51. > :03:54.Whitehall have been barking all summer about the fact that there is
:03:54. > :03:57.a further crisis in public expenditure ahead of us, maybe the
:03:57. > :04:00.Minister could give us some good news and inform us that he has in
:04:00. > :04:04.fact successfully concluded the negotiations around the transfer of
:04:04. > :04:08.corporation tax powers to this region and give us a date which we
:04:08. > :04:12.can expect to get that power back in our hands. I wish I could give
:04:12. > :04:15.that kind of news, but of course, the transfer of those powers is
:04:16. > :04:19.dependent upon not just the willingness of the Executive to
:04:19. > :04:24.have the devolution of those powers, but also the willingness of the
:04:24. > :04:29.Government at Westminster to make that devolution, and as I have said
:04:29. > :04:33.to the Assembly time and time again, and in fact, it ties in very well
:04:33. > :04:37.with the question that the previous questioner made - if we're going to
:04:37. > :04:40.make commitments for the future, for example, on the devolution of
:04:41. > :04:45.corporation tax, then I think that this Assembly would expect me and
:04:45. > :04:50.the rest of the negotiating team from the Executive to ensure that
:04:51. > :04:54.that comes to us with the least possible cost, especially if there
:04:54. > :04:57.will be further austerity measures and further pressures on the Budget
:04:57. > :05:02.in the future, and for that reason, we'll continue to fight with the
:05:02. > :05:06.Treasury over the cost of devolution of corporation tax. We
:05:06. > :05:11.know we're going to have to pay a price, but we want to make sure
:05:11. > :05:16.that that price is fair. It's reasonable, and it's a realistic
:05:16. > :05:20.assessment of what the true cost would be. I have met and spoken to
:05:20. > :05:25.Ulster Bank on a very regular basis since the whole problem occurred
:05:25. > :05:28.with the computer system, and, indeed, a couple of days before did
:05:29. > :05:34.compensation scheme was announced, I was in communication with Ulster
:05:34. > :05:37.Bank to talk about the detail of the scheme and also give them some
:05:37. > :05:42.advice from my experience as to what I believe should be included
:05:42. > :05:47.in it. I thought that many people might well regard this as derisory,
:05:47. > :05:52.but I think it's got to be - so I'm not going - it was a decision which
:05:53. > :05:55.Ulster Bank had to make. They made it in concert with the Financial
:05:55. > :06:00.Services Authority. It's a part of a package, of course, because
:06:00. > :06:05.there's not just the refund. There's also the reimbursement, and
:06:05. > :06:10.where there was reimbursement, there will be a 20% top-up on top
:06:11. > :06:14.of that to a maximum of �100 I think it was. There was also the
:06:14. > :06:20.reassurance to customers about credit rating, and there was also a
:06:20. > :06:24.recognition, you know that there had been difficulties caused by
:06:24. > :06:29.individuals. I suspect that at the end of the day that there will be
:06:29. > :06:34.many people who, despite what Ulster Bank will do to compensate
:06:34. > :06:39.them for the problems that there were will still be very, very
:06:39. > :06:46.unhappy, and I note in discussions with Ulster Bank I had indicated to
:06:46. > :06:50.them that in some cases - especially some of the cases I had
:06:50. > :06:53.heard that really money would not be the way in which you compensate
:06:53. > :06:57.people anyway, because they went through a horrific time, and I
:06:57. > :07:01.suppose the important thing now I am looking forward to is the
:07:01. > :07:04.financial services have demanded a review of what happened, why did it
:07:05. > :07:11.take so long to sort it out, and I am looking forward to seeing that
:07:11. > :07:16.report. Can the Minister tell us why many of those revenue-raising
:07:16. > :07:20.initiatives didn't reach the level predicted in that famous draft
:07:21. > :07:26.Budget speech, which I am sure every member of this House reads
:07:26. > :07:31.nightly after their evening prayers, of course. Must say, the member
:07:31. > :07:35.leads a very sad life if he reads the Budget statement nightly, but I
:07:35. > :07:40.think the important thing is, if one looks at it - I mean, I don't
:07:40. > :07:46.know which particular measures the member is referring to. As far as
:07:46. > :07:50.the capital receipts are concerned, we actually exceeded the amount we
:07:50. > :07:58.raised - I think it was 170 million as opposed to 142 million, which
:07:58. > :08:02.was the target. The - there are so much that haven't been realised yet.
:08:02. > :08:06.The Department for Regional Development is working on the money
:08:06. > :08:09.- the �40 million we intend to raise from the Harbour
:08:09. > :08:13.Commissioners, but given the fact that was in the last two years of
:08:14. > :08:18.the Budget, the - that money wasn't to be realised by this time anyway.
:08:18. > :08:23.The money from the housing associations - we've already raised,
:08:23. > :08:27.and housing associations, by changing - by changing - well, yes,
:08:27. > :08:32.in fact. As I am reminded, despite the scepticism that there was, the
:08:32. > :08:38.housing associations are quite happily working along with that,
:08:39. > :08:44.and realising the money for that, and the money from the regional
:08:45. > :08:49.rates increase, of course - we're realising as well, so, I mean, I'm
:08:49. > :08:52.not too sure which particular measure the member is referring to.
:08:52. > :08:56.The Finance Minister Sammy Wilson. I am joined in the studio by the
:08:56. > :09:00.chairman of the CBI here, Ian Coulter. How concerned are you,
:09:00. > :09:06.first of all, at what the Minister eluded to - this idea that the
:09:06. > :09:09.future might hold even more tightened purse strings in terms of
:09:09. > :09:13.public finances in the medium to long term? I think he's right. I
:09:13. > :09:17.think we're secure until 2014-15, but I think after that, there is a
:09:17. > :09:20.recognition - and I think we have to grasp the reality - that at the
:09:20. > :09:23.end of the day, there is going to be significant cuts following that,
:09:23. > :09:26.and I think it's hugely important that Government and business now
:09:26. > :09:29.start working together to create ways and create opportunities for
:09:29. > :09:34.the growth of the private sector off the back of that. There was
:09:34. > :09:38.also some discussion in the chamber about corporation tax... Sure.
:09:38. > :09:41.Whether the new Secretary of State, Theresa Villiers, is going to pick
:09:41. > :09:45.up where Owen Paterson left all. Do you think now he's gone this is a
:09:45. > :09:50.dead duck? No, far from it. I think it's important we stay focused on
:09:50. > :09:53.this point, because to me this is the single biggest issue facing
:09:53. > :09:56.Northern Ireland today. Teresavilleier, if you look at the
:09:56. > :10:00.speech she's made in the Republic of Northern Ireland, the tax cut on
:10:00. > :10:03.this economy, very, very positive about it. I also think it's good we
:10:03. > :10:07.have Owen Paterson still as a Minister around the Cabinet table,
:10:07. > :10:11.so hopefully what we hope to achieve is to have two Ministers
:10:11. > :10:14.who understands the issues and are in favour of it. The cost
:10:14. > :10:17.potentially could be �700 million. It's a gamble at the end of the day,
:10:17. > :10:21.isn't it? I disagree with the cost amount, and I also don't think it's
:10:21. > :10:25.the correct question. If you go back to the Treasury paper of March
:10:25. > :10:29.2011, if we follow the formula and the footpath set out in that the
:10:29. > :10:33.cost is significantly lower. 700 million is the figure the
:10:33. > :10:37.Minister is quoting. Sure, but I don't actually think - again, we've
:10:38. > :10:42.got to go back to what the Treasury released, which was a carefully
:10:42. > :10:47.considered and constructed paper by them. We have to go back and say,
:10:47. > :10:50.these are competely different figures. It's quite a game of
:10:50. > :10:53.shadow boxesing going on between executive Ministers like Sammy
:10:53. > :10:58.Wilson and Treasury officials at the moment. Ultimately the point I
:10:58. > :11:02.come back to on this is, what is the cost of this if we don't get
:11:02. > :11:05.it? I think everyone in Northern Ireland if we don't get it, will be
:11:05. > :11:08.looking for jobs in the next ten years or members of their family
:11:08. > :11:11.will. This is the issue that's going to determine this and how
:11:11. > :11:15.easy it's going to be. One issue that is never too far away from the
:11:15. > :11:19.political agenda at the moment is the Executive's strategy on
:11:19. > :11:22.retailing and rates. There are a lot of businesses here who are very
:11:22. > :11:25.unhappy that the rates are as high as they are, and they say that up
:11:25. > :11:28.to a third, some people would say, of retail units are actually empty
:11:28. > :11:31.at the moment. Do you think the Minister needs to be doing
:11:31. > :11:36.something more about that? I think if it would be possible, it would
:11:37. > :11:39.be a great thing to do. I - the problem isn't all of us. I think on
:11:39. > :11:42.the vacant units, certainly we need to look at something there.
:11:42. > :11:46.Certainly, when you look at - there are other issues around this
:11:46. > :11:51.baseline - planning as well, making that system easier. Vacant rates
:11:51. > :11:54.are a burning issue. Is that that something you would want to pick up
:11:54. > :11:57.with him? Absolutely. Stay with us because we're going to talk to you
:11:57. > :12:00.later. For now, Ian Coulter, thank you very much indeed.
:12:00. > :12:04.The Health Minister was in the chamber this afternoon to address a
:12:04. > :12:08.range of issues, including the contentious matter of future child
:12:08. > :12:13.cardiac services at the Royal in Belfast, but first, let's hear the
:12:13. > :12:22.latest on the ongoing debate about the future of services at the
:12:22. > :12:30.Causeway Hospital, in particular, I am aware of concerns of the local
:12:30. > :12:40.community. I am advised that the northern Trust has no plans to
:12:40. > :12:42.
:12:42. > :12:47.reduce maternity services. Indeed, services have been enhanced by
:12:47. > :12:55.providing... I acknowledge that plans to do make reference to
:12:55. > :12:59.maternity services. In the future, a review of maternity provisions
:12:59. > :13:05.will be carried out to identify the needs of the local population and
:13:05. > :13:11.to develop more choice for women. Such a review would be subject to
:13:11. > :13:21.local consultation. Every Chad deserves the best possible start in
:13:21. > :13:24.
:13:24. > :13:28.life. -- every child. A focus on the spectrum of maternity services
:13:28. > :13:33.is required if we are going to improve outcomes for mother, baby
:13:33. > :13:38.and partner. I will not be making any decision on congenital
:13:38. > :13:47.paediatric services until I am satisfied that there has been full,
:13:47. > :13:52.open and transparent consultation. My overriding concern must be that
:13:52. > :13:56.the service we provide is safe and sustainable. The review panel did
:13:57. > :14:01.not find any immediate safety concerns, but they did not that
:14:01. > :14:05.paediatrics in general in Belfast is not sustainable and the
:14:05. > :14:15.potential risks should be addressed within has six months. I have asked
:14:15. > :14:20.
:14:20. > :14:28.the Health and Social Care Board to develop criteria of to identify
:14:28. > :14:33.future delivery of the service in Northern Ireland. This group
:14:33. > :14:43.includes patient representatives, parents. There will be a full, open
:14:43. > :14:48.and transparent consultation on the criteria, it service specification.
:14:48. > :14:51.I expect a consultation to begin in October 2012. The responses will
:14:52. > :14:56.help inform the way forward in terms of defining a preferred
:14:57. > :15:06.service model for children in Northern Ireland who require
:15:06. > :15:14.specialist cardiac care. This is a regular item for discussion that
:15:14. > :15:21.North-South council meetings. I met with the minister recently and are
:15:21. > :15:31.discussed our mutual wish to fully explore the potential for services
:15:31. > :15:33.
:15:33. > :15:39.in an all island bases. -- all Ireland basis.
:15:39. > :15:44.I thank the Minister for his response. Can he assure the House
:15:44. > :15:48.that Pierret representatives will play a full role in the working
:15:48. > :15:58.group that he has established and that their voices and concerns will
:15:58. > :15:59.
:15:59. > :16:02.be heard? As I indicated, the Health and Social Care Board would
:16:02. > :16:12.do just that and ensure that parents are represented on that
:16:12. > :16:12.
:16:12. > :16:21.board. For many people, the quality of care is the number one priority.
:16:21. > :16:28.Families very often have other children and in terms of trying to
:16:28. > :16:32.work and retain some income during the child's illness, this can be
:16:32. > :16:37.very stressful, particularly if they have to go to England for the
:16:37. > :16:45.treatment. In all of these things, we will give due consideration to
:16:45. > :16:55.these issues and the concerns are raised by parents. I would speak of
:16:55. > :17:00.
:17:00. > :17:04.a nephew who has received life- saving care in Belfast. This house
:17:05. > :17:09.and parents and mothers in the community demand from you absolute
:17:09. > :17:13.assurances that you would do your best to ensure that Belfast and
:17:13. > :17:19.Dublin fully co-operate to develop equipment and services as good as
:17:19. > :17:27.or better than that of Birmingham. I can give that assurance.
:17:27. > :17:37.Edwin Poots. In the stomach, the magic number is 30 if you want to
:17:37. > :17:42.
:17:42. > :17:52.force a debate on the floor. And that is what is being aimed in an
:17:52. > :18:01.attempted to have the social must - - social minister censored. You
:18:01. > :18:07.have signatures of your for team members, but the 13th you need 30.
:18:07. > :18:14.Are you going to get any more? have opened it up to other parties.
:18:14. > :18:17.We had a good meeting with Sinn Fein this afternoon. The public is
:18:17. > :18:21.that Nelson McCausland his way out of line on this and he has to come
:18:22. > :18:26.back into line. If a Belfast city councillor be made in the way that
:18:26. > :18:34.he has behaved, they would be reprimanded. We cannot see why an
:18:34. > :18:40.MLA and a much for senior position -- in a much more senior position
:18:40. > :18:50.should behave in this way. What has angered you so much in what Nelson
:18:50. > :18:50.
:18:50. > :18:58.McCausland has said? He said that he had totally condemned violence.
:18:58. > :19:08.He explained, justified condoned atrocious behaviour of their Young
:19:08. > :19:09.
:19:09. > :19:15.Conway Volunteers are 12th July. -- on 12th July. Then he justified and
:19:15. > :19:19.encouraged the breaking of the law around Black Saturday. He says
:19:19. > :19:23.about there is an issue of civil disobedience here. It is not civil
:19:23. > :19:27.disobedience. The Parades Commission, and we have worked with
:19:27. > :19:33.the Parades Commission four years to deal with contentious parades,
:19:33. > :19:41.90% of them are now dealt with. The Parades Commission the rulings of
:19:41. > :19:48.we do not like them sometimes, but we tolerate them. We reserve the
:19:48. > :19:51.right to debate individual cases with them. But Nelson has are
:19:51. > :19:55.problem with the Parades Commission and he was encouraging these people
:19:55. > :20:02.to break the Parades Commission ruling. But he is not supporting
:20:02. > :20:10.violence. He has clearly condemned violence. Where do you think he has
:20:10. > :20:15.broken or preached at their Ministerial Code? -- breached. He
:20:15. > :20:25.has encouraged people to behave in a sectarian and very nasty way.
:20:25. > :20:25.
:20:25. > :20:35.has refuted that. Nelson's pledge is to uphold the law and promote
:20:35. > :20:39.
:20:39. > :20:43.good community relations. stated operating in R way conducive
:20:43. > :20:48.-- in a way conducive to promoting good committed to the relations.
:20:48. > :20:53.Nelson, instead of teaching these guys to behave themselves, we all
:20:53. > :21:00.have to put our next on the line sometimes and tell them to stop, he
:21:00. > :21:07.says it... He says he is trying to articulate the frustration in
:21:07. > :21:14.Unionist quarters and he has totally condemned violence. He is
:21:14. > :21:19.encouraging these people. If people do not see that, we had been on a
:21:19. > :21:29.dated -- we have been inundated. The SDLP has not asked for these
:21:29. > :21:32.parades to be stopped or blocked or interfered with. All we have asked
:21:32. > :21:38.for is for a wee bit of respect. Nelson McCausland has made it clear
:21:38. > :21:43.that he is not encouraging people to break the law. Will it you get
:21:43. > :21:47.these additional signatures or is this political posturing? There is
:21:47. > :21:55.no political posturing, Roper to the heat on Sinn Fein. The people
:21:55. > :22:02.out there are angry at the way Nelson has behaved. -- no putting
:22:02. > :22:10.the heat. I am very hopeful that after our discussions at this
:22:10. > :22:15.afternoon, they are on at the same page as us. I would be very hopeful
:22:15. > :22:20.and very positive. We will find out in due course. We will leave it
:22:20. > :22:27.there. The regulation of charities was
:22:27. > :22:34.back on the agenda here for. There was an attempt to deal with this in
:22:34. > :22:40.2008, so why was the issue being visited again now? The claim is
:22:40. > :22:46.that's dormant messed-up by not defining what constitutes a charity.
:22:46. > :22:50.We have to acknowledge how wrong it was caught. And who got it wrong?
:22:50. > :23:00.Who were the advisers? What was the department doing to get it so
:23:00. > :23:02.
:23:02. > :23:11.wrong? The present Minister was not then that Mr, I acknowledge that. -
:23:11. > :23:15.- was not bend the minister. But it was the same department. Expert
:23:15. > :23:19.advisers in the department brought forward legislation which was
:23:19. > :23:25.supposed to be considered, supposed to be thought out, supposed to be
:23:25. > :23:29.precisely addressing what was seen to be the legislative need. And yet,
:23:30. > :23:36.patently, getting it wrong. Perhaps a win there Minister comes to
:23:36. > :23:46.answer, he can begin to explain it. How was it that the department got
:23:46. > :23:54.it so wrong? Why is it today that we have to pick up those pieces?
:23:54. > :24:01.And why is it in the meantime we have had the work of the Charity
:24:01. > :24:08.commissioners stymied and unable to complete a register of charities in
:24:08. > :24:14.Northern Ireland. This would be something that people would be glad
:24:14. > :24:21.to blame on direct rule. But this was a mistake in this house. This
:24:21. > :24:24.was a full part made in at Stormont. The charity advisory group in
:24:24. > :24:34.Northern Ireland, it was the organisation that recommended a
:24:34. > :24:36.
:24:36. > :24:42.hybrid approach, taking the best of public provisions and blending them
:24:42. > :24:47.together. That approach was agreed through public consultation.
:24:47. > :24:55.However, legal counsel opinion was that this approach was open to
:24:55. > :25:00.challenge and I was satisfied that the amendment was a required to
:25:00. > :25:05.achieve certainty for the sector. The social development minister
:25:05. > :25:09.Nelson McCausland. As many students are prepared to return to
:25:09. > :25:13.university, the deployment and Learning Minister launched his
:25:13. > :25:18.access to success strategy, aiming to encourage more students from
:25:18. > :25:27.disadvantaged backgrounds into higher education. There remains
:25:27. > :25:33.some stubborn pockets of under representations. That is why my
:25:33. > :25:39.department has been leading on the development of a new strategy for
:25:39. > :25:41.widening participation a higher education in Northern Ireland. The
:25:41. > :25:44.strategy six in to assist individuals with the greatest need
:25:44. > :25:53.by targeting resources to where they will have the greatest effect
:25:53. > :26:03.and impact with the focus set for May on the least likely. The
:26:03. > :26:04.
:26:04. > :26:12.strategy it will target groups 5-7, students with a disability,
:26:13. > :26:19.individuals from all parties should but -- individuals from a low
:26:19. > :26:24.participation communities. There is evidence that personal circumstance
:26:24. > :26:28.can have significant effect on participation in higher education.
:26:28. > :26:33.Almost three times as many young people with appearance in
:26:33. > :26:37.professional positions will attend university as young people whose
:26:37. > :26:42.parents are in lower-paid occupations. Research shows that
:26:42. > :26:52.the lack of role models in Egham person's life can lead them to
:26:52. > :26:53.
:26:53. > :26:58.never consider higher education. -- In a young person's life. My vision
:26:58. > :27:02.of widening participation is about raising aspirations, challenging
:27:02. > :27:07.stereotypes and empowering those who are most able but least likely
:27:07. > :27:12.to enter our universities. Widening participation in higher education
:27:12. > :27:20.is not about dumbing down. If we are to expect the next generation
:27:20. > :27:26.to compete in the world, there can be no reduction in academic
:27:26. > :27:31.standards. We have to ensure that Northern Ireland has a ready supply
:27:31. > :27:38.of suitably qualified young people, equipped to take advantage of
:27:38. > :27:45.higher education. My department will give funding to expand the
:27:45. > :27:49.rate of participation. All institutions offering higher
:27:49. > :27:58.education courses will be encouraged to offer of reach
:27:58. > :28:02.programmes designed to raise their educational aims of young people.
:28:02. > :28:09.My department will encourage a higher education institutions to
:28:09. > :28:16.develop and pilot a reasonable standard for the most disadvantaged
:28:16. > :28:20.applicants. The learning and development
:28:20. > :28:26.minister. Is he right to be focusing on to bigger and people
:28:26. > :28:32.from disadvantaged backgrounds in education for as long as possible?
:28:32. > :28:36.I think it is a worthwhile subject matter. The one I was more
:28:36. > :28:46.interested in is the apprenticeship area. I think that is where he has
:28:46. > :28:56.
:28:56. > :29:06.got it bang on from an. Employer's. Back of view. -- from an employer's
:29:06. > :29:06.
:29:06. > :29:14.point point of view. When you talk to members in the CBI, a large
:29:14. > :29:20.number of a managers have come through apprenticeships.
:29:20. > :29:23.But there is a sense either you cannot get on without a degree.
:29:24. > :29:29.With their employers, that is not their point of view. The CBI have
:29:29. > :29:34.been pressing quite hard to lobby for apprenticeships. It is up to
:29:34. > :29:42.this this to respond to that. kind of work he is doing on all of