0:00:22 > 0:00:29Hello and welcome to the programme. People may be biting their nails in
0:00:29 > 0:00:32Manchester, but there is probably more unity between both sets of
0:00:32 > 0:00:36fans than the DUP and Alliance Party these days. We have seen
0:00:36 > 0:00:40failure on the part of some parties to assess what is really the case.
0:00:40 > 0:00:45Perhaps they can get their head out of the sand and start attending
0:00:45 > 0:00:50more meetings, stop trying to delay its meetings and make a more of a
0:00:50 > 0:00:56contribution. There are plenty of fast movers in
0:00:56 > 0:01:04parliament buildings but who is this?
0:01:04 > 0:01:09And without me throughout, David badminton.
0:01:09 > 0:01:13With public spending heading just about all levels of society here,
0:01:13 > 0:01:17small organisations are finding themselves facing hurdles as they
0:01:17 > 0:01:24struggle to help vulnerable people. Today, Assembly members decided to
0:01:24 > 0:01:34do their bit. Action Mendel Cao health is to be the charity of the
0:01:34 > 0:01:37year. -- action mental health. This Assembly has a charitable
0:01:37 > 0:01:44policy that we can work on for the number of years and this is the
0:01:44 > 0:01:49first time we have chosen this charity. No charity or a member. --
0:01:49 > 0:01:53or official in the past could collect money. We are now, as a
0:01:53 > 0:01:58commission, think we have a policy and we intend to implement that in
0:01:59 > 0:02:03the next year and get it out there for our members and Assembly but
0:02:03 > 0:02:09also for officials here within the Assembly.
0:02:09 > 0:02:13What will this mean for you? We are delighted by this a nomination by
0:02:13 > 0:02:18the Speaker and the Assembly Commission. It means all those
0:02:18 > 0:02:22people who are suffering with mental health issues will hopefully
0:02:22 > 0:02:27get an agenda and they will understand what the issues are. We
0:02:27 > 0:02:31will bring it to them in Stormont. Is it about raising money or is it
0:02:31 > 0:02:35about affecting government policy? It is about raising money primarily
0:02:35 > 0:02:39and trying to involve as many of the committee staff and MLAs in
0:02:39 > 0:02:44doing activities around the Stormont estate but also, about
0:02:44 > 0:02:48influencing policy. We want to make sure we have the resources to
0:02:48 > 0:02:51provide the services that our clients require. It is difficult in
0:02:51 > 0:02:55Northern Ireland because we have higher levels of mental health
0:02:55 > 0:03:00problems than elsewhere in the UK, yet it is still seen as the
0:03:00 > 0:03:07Cinderella service. It has been underfunded for the last six years
0:03:07 > 0:03:15or so. It is estimated we are up to 25% underfunded. We have a
0:03:15 > 0:03:19marvellous blue paint in a review completed in 2007. -- blueprint.
0:03:19 > 0:03:23Not much has changed since the report was published in terms of
0:03:23 > 0:03:27what services people get? We are moving in the right direction.
0:03:27 > 0:03:32There needs to be more resources and a political will and critically,
0:03:32 > 0:03:35more joined-up working between the various sectors. There's the
0:03:35 > 0:03:39statutory sector, ourselves and our community and voluntary sector and
0:03:39 > 0:03:44we need to work more closely together. What does that mean for
0:03:44 > 0:03:47people on the ground trying to access services? It means that the
0:03:47 > 0:03:52appropriate services are there and available for them, bad people have
0:03:52 > 0:03:56the right information and also that they are opened at particular times
0:03:56 > 0:04:01for those clients. The Speaker has said he is to take
0:04:01 > 0:04:07action to try to end the practice of members withdrawing questions
0:04:07 > 0:04:10after they have been published. It became clear why when four of the
0:04:10 > 0:04:15first five questions to Peter Robinson were cancelled.
0:04:15 > 0:04:18Nevertheless there was plenty to cover.
0:04:18 > 0:04:23The Minister for Social Development has indicated that work is still on
0:04:23 > 0:04:28going to develop a more accurate estimate of of the combined impact
0:04:28 > 0:04:32of the proposed welfare reforms. The Department for Social
0:04:32 > 0:04:37Development's early estimates are based on the application of the
0:04:37 > 0:04:42Department for work and pensions ball calculation for the situation
0:04:42 > 0:04:46here. These estimates are suggesting that over 10,000
0:04:46 > 0:04:50children will be lifted out of poverty as a result of the
0:04:50 > 0:04:55introduction of the Universal credit. This would be a real
0:04:55 > 0:04:59benefit in our fight against child poverty. The Executive recently
0:04:59 > 0:05:04established a sub-committee to consider the implications of
0:05:04 > 0:05:07welfare reform. It is considering how to optimise the delivery of
0:05:07 > 0:05:11welfare reform in Northern Ireland within the financial and
0:05:11 > 0:05:16legislative constraints under which we operate. To date, the committee
0:05:16 > 0:05:24has met on four occasions since the start of the year with the next
0:05:24 > 0:05:28meeting schedule is to take place later today on 14th May. Could I
0:05:28 > 0:05:34ask the junior minister at that he will give eight reassurance that
0:05:34 > 0:05:44the figures of children below 60% of median UK income, but will not
0:05:44 > 0:05:47
0:05:47 > 0:05:55simply be reduced by measure how we define child poverty? -- measuring.
0:05:55 > 0:05:59The determination is to do what we can to reduce Gerard property. We
0:05:59 > 0:06:03can't deviate child poverty in a statistical analysis. We can look
0:06:03 > 0:06:11at the low income target, and then the absolute low income target, the
0:06:11 > 0:06:15persistent poverty target and we can talk about it in terms of an
0:06:15 > 0:06:24amalgamation of each of these targets. The target that has been
0:06:24 > 0:06:28taking in the Child poverty act is 60% of the UK it median average. --
0:06:28 > 0:06:35UK median average. There will be no attempt to manipulate that. That is
0:06:35 > 0:06:43set down within the Act. Robinson took back the reins for a
0:06:43 > 0:06:53question on Community regulations and there might be some were with
0:06:53 > 0:06:53
0:06:53 > 0:06:59his Alliance colleagues... -- some work needed. Should there be Office
0:06:59 > 0:07:07of the First Minister and Deputy First Minister funding for
0:07:07 > 0:07:13bonfires? I have personal experience from a local government
0:07:13 > 0:07:18standpoint of supporting the schemes and I think they are
0:07:18 > 0:07:26valuable in insuring that the bonfire season, if I can call it
0:07:26 > 0:07:33that, is turned into a wider festivity and that it encourages
0:07:33 > 0:07:37keeping he states as clean as possible during a period of time
0:07:37 > 0:07:41and that they have and safety issues are also paramount. I
0:07:41 > 0:07:47encourage this and there are some councils who would not involve
0:07:47 > 0:07:53themselves and I would encourage them to do so. I am glad to hear
0:07:54 > 0:07:56that there is support out there. It is getting -- there is support from
0:07:56 > 0:08:02North Down Council and the Community Relations Council and I
0:08:02 > 0:08:07can see benefits from that. As far as the CSI strategy is concerned,
0:08:07 > 0:08:12it is unfortunate that there are some people who are trying to
0:08:12 > 0:08:16posture and party politicise issues around the CSI strategy. It is
0:08:16 > 0:08:22sadly the case that some of those who probably made the most noise
0:08:22 > 0:08:25are making police contribution. In particular, the Alliance Party
0:08:26 > 0:08:31would try and focus itself more on an agreed result instead of going
0:08:31 > 0:08:35out and indicate that somehow, they are leading the way when in fact,
0:08:35 > 0:08:39they are dragging their feet on the issue. Perhaps they can get their
0:08:39 > 0:08:42head out of the sand and start attending more meetings, stop
0:08:43 > 0:08:48trying to delay meetings from taking place and make more
0:08:48 > 0:08:50contributions at the meetings. On to education and newly-qualified
0:08:50 > 0:08:55teachers complain they cannot get work because teachers to have taken
0:08:55 > 0:09:00early retirement are being re- employed. Tom Buchanan was vexed
0:09:00 > 0:09:05about the Western Board. There are 11 teachers employed on a permanent
0:09:05 > 0:09:09basis who were prematurely from that -- retired in the western area.
0:09:09 > 0:09:14These teachers are employed on a part-time basis with contracts
0:09:14 > 0:09:22ranging from 10 to 20 yards per week. A further 120 it prematurely
0:09:22 > 0:09:29retired teachers are employed on a temporary basis. I should point out
0:09:29 > 0:09:39that the decision on whom to appoint in a particular post rests
0:09:39 > 0:09:42
0:09:42 > 0:09:49with the board of governors of the skin. My department has encouraged
0:09:49 > 0:09:54people to look at newly-qualified and experienced teachers. There is
0:09:54 > 0:09:59a disincentive in place for teachers seeking we informed on a
0:09:59 > 0:10:02substitute basis. Two rangers have been made to the funding schemes to
0:10:02 > 0:10:08incentivise schools to employ newly-qualified and experienced
0:10:08 > 0:10:11none retired teachers. We regularly receive feedback and reports back
0:10:11 > 0:10:16from boards of governors in terms of employment matters and in terms
0:10:16 > 0:10:20of the use of substitute teachers. When it is found that retired
0:10:20 > 0:10:26teachers are being used, the boards and schools will be asked why that
0:10:26 > 0:10:29is the case. The power lies with the boards of governors and both I
0:10:29 > 0:10:34and members of this house had read this issue. I would appeal to
0:10:34 > 0:10:42boards of governors to Allah and give newly-qualified teachers the
0:10:42 > 0:10:46opportunity to enter the workforce and gain experience. -- to allow.
0:10:46 > 0:10:52Cohesion sharing an integration are at CSI is meant to be our community
0:10:52 > 0:10:55relations policy. It is not leading to good relations between policies.
0:10:55 > 0:10:59Peter Robinson attacked alliance but David Ford was not holding back
0:10:59 > 0:11:03when he spoke earlier to Mark Davenport, when he outlined what he
0:11:03 > 0:11:07believed needed to be done. When I was campaigning in the
0:11:07 > 0:11:12election last year there were very few people think, worse the
0:11:12 > 0:11:16strategy? But they were asking, why can I not get my child into end
0:11:16 > 0:11:26integrated school and how do we get rid of barriers? -- an integrated
0:11:26 > 0:11:27
0:11:27 > 0:11:32school. They were not looking at what the outcome is, a united
0:11:32 > 0:11:36community. They specifically mentioned golf clubs as being
0:11:36 > 0:11:41places where sectarianism is under the surface. What you make of that?
0:11:41 > 0:11:47It is clear that divisions run free society and those that are seeking
0:11:47 > 0:11:52to tackle divisions come from every part of society. What is currently
0:11:52 > 0:11:59filling them is the political structures. This is organised by be
0:11:59 > 0:12:05CSI, what future do you think it has? There is talk of slimming it
0:12:05 > 0:12:09down to eight funding -- just a friend, not a funding body. We need
0:12:09 > 0:12:13an independent voice and particular, to hold the government to account.
0:12:13 > 0:12:17The Executive is failing to deliver and that is why we need an
0:12:17 > 0:12:26independent body. Our disagreements over the future
0:12:26 > 0:12:31of the CSI wider is so much delay We have seen a failure on the part
0:12:31 > 0:12:35of some parties to assess what is really the case. You cannot talk
0:12:35 > 0:12:39about shared space if you do not have a proper protocol to deal with
0:12:40 > 0:12:46symbols of the vision being erected on shared space. It is not just
0:12:46 > 0:12:50that issue, there are a range of issues.
0:12:50 > 0:13:00The golf club Commons, where did that come from? It was a clumsy use
0:13:00 > 0:13:05of language, I regret using it. I am sorry. The point being made, I
0:13:05 > 0:13:10come from a working-class community, I am proud of that, the point that
0:13:10 > 0:13:15we wanted to make was that sectarianism is not confined to
0:13:15 > 0:13:21working-class communities. A clumsy use of language. Golf plays a vital
0:13:21 > 0:13:24role in our society. The cut Rory McIlroy, Darren Clarke, Graham
0:13:25 > 0:13:32McDowell. You look at the positive contribution that golf has made to
0:13:32 > 0:13:36bring groups together. It was a clumsy, it. I regretted, I am sorry.
0:13:36 > 0:13:41Most people would appreciate your point about it not just being a
0:13:41 > 0:13:45working class problem, and there is sectarianism across the board, but
0:13:45 > 0:13:50this focusing on the middle-class sectarianism divert attention from
0:13:50 > 0:13:54where it is needed, on police walls, interfaces, where people are being
0:13:54 > 0:14:01subjected to violence? There is some wonderful work happening on
0:14:01 > 0:14:07the interfaces, and I pay tribute to it. I presented an award of
0:14:07 > 0:14:11community relations person of the year to a man who had worked on
0:14:11 > 0:14:15interfaces, not just at times when the media were there, but right
0:14:15 > 0:14:22throughout the year. To those people at the grassroots, we give
0:14:22 > 0:14:28them our full support and tribute. Wherever sectarian it -- wearer the
0:14:28 > 0:14:34sectarianism is, let's look at it wherever it advises, -- rises, and
0:14:34 > 0:14:37let's tackle it. Where is the stumbling block? They have talked
0:14:37 > 0:14:46about releasing something that is not what we are looking for, and
0:14:46 > 0:14:50having to accept a less well prepared document. I have spent
0:14:50 > 0:14:56well over 100 hours over the last year chairing the meetings, looking
0:14:56 > 0:15:01at cohesion, looking up integration, how we can get a five party
0:15:01 > 0:15:06consensus. The grim mood of the five parties was that a green
0:15:06 > 0:15:10document would get better ownership by the community. I would never
0:15:11 > 0:15:19preach the confidence of those meetings. I want to take a
0:15:19 > 0:15:23constructive role. David Forde has inaccurately made a number of
0:15:23 > 0:15:29comments which he should apologise for, because, as I revealed earlier,
0:15:29 > 0:15:36I have got the e-mail trail of what they have prevaricated, asked for
0:15:36 > 0:15:41meetings to be postponed,... They have said he only missed one
0:15:41 > 0:15:46meeting. I have revealed all of the e-mail trail, one meeting was
0:15:46 > 0:15:52missed, he would not attend during Hallowe'en, he took a bit of
0:15:52 > 0:16:00January off, he did not get his documents in on time, he drags his
0:16:00 > 0:16:06feet, and he putted an incompetent position. -- he put us in an
0:16:06 > 0:16:11incompetent position. You cannot deny an e-mail trail, which I have
0:16:11 > 0:16:19revealed, and I can show you. He had said he cannot get his
0:16:19 > 0:16:23documents in on time. How does that help us move for what? -- move
0:16:23 > 0:16:29forward? We need to take the lead from the community, they want a
0:16:29 > 0:16:36better way forward. We have been clear, it is no longer them and us.
0:16:36 > 0:16:42That was the theme of the conference. It is no longer than --
0:16:42 > 0:16:46them and us. Relief from the front. I want to get back to a
0:16:46 > 0:16:52constructive working relationship to put out a document. Is it weeks
0:16:52 > 0:16:56or months? It is weeks. Motions in the chamber might not
0:16:56 > 0:17:00carry a lot of weight, but their content sometimes makes demands on
0:17:00 > 0:17:05ministers. Members voted to support a motion calling for nothing to
0:17:05 > 0:17:12happen. The notion -- motion made no demands and wants nothing to
0:17:12 > 0:17:17change. The topic, the appointment of judges. The chair changed
0:17:17 > 0:17:23identity halfway through. I am taking off my hat as chairman
0:17:23 > 0:17:33of the committee, I wish to speak as a DUP member. The reason that
0:17:33 > 0:17:37the changes took place in 2009, the party gave the reasons. It was
0:17:37 > 0:17:42because of our concerns in respect of Sinn Fein's role that it may
0:17:42 > 0:17:49have in the appointment and removal of the judiciary. One does not need
0:17:49 > 0:17:52to go too far in our past winner for the IRA targeted members of the
0:17:53 > 0:17:59judiciary, one being that Lord Justice Gibson and the attack that
0:17:59 > 0:18:08led to his death. Cricket -- but we heard clear concerns and the
0:18:08 > 0:18:11changes that were included the 2009 Act were as a result of that. That
0:18:11 > 0:18:14political context has led to the changes that have happened, and
0:18:14 > 0:18:20therefore, makes it difficult for the changes in the current system
0:18:20 > 0:18:24to take place. But this position has given the judiciary is very
0:18:24 > 0:18:30insulated, protected and privileged position from the political process.
0:18:31 > 0:18:40This is not an ideal position in a normal democracy. It is not perfect
0:18:41 > 0:18:44
0:18:44 > 0:18:48that judges appoint judges. But it is by far the best arrangement,
0:18:48 > 0:18:58which is attainable. You do need to know what the job entails from
0:18:58 > 0:19:01
0:19:01 > 0:19:05experience before you appoint others. I should or that -- I
0:19:05 > 0:19:11should do about any of these bodies would have the power, it would be a
0:19:11 > 0:19:21rich a great step. As 43% of the judiciary are women, and over the
0:19:21 > 0:19:27half of the lay magistrates and the district judges, there are no women
0:19:27 > 0:19:31at all in the High Court, and the County Court and District
0:19:31 > 0:19:40magistrate Court judges do not even make it a quarter of the quota of
0:19:40 > 0:19:47the judiciary at that level. This is a serious issue. There might be
0:19:47 > 0:19:51a discrimination, -- they might not be a discrimination, but there is
0:19:51 > 0:19:55something to take on board. There is a real problem.
0:19:55 > 0:19:59One of the biggest problems facing people who suffer from mental
0:19:59 > 0:20:07health problems is the taboo, people to not feel comfortable
0:20:07 > 0:20:15about admitting it. Yes, the stigma is a big issue, we are working with
0:20:15 > 0:20:19the assembly to try and eradicate it. What has struck me, MLAs have
0:20:19 > 0:20:23come out very helpfully and said they have had issues within their
0:20:23 > 0:20:27own families and groups of friends are. This is showing leadership and
0:20:27 > 0:20:33that it can affect anybody. It can affect a quarter of the population
0:20:33 > 0:20:37at any one time. Without mental health, there is no good health.
0:20:37 > 0:20:41We have reported and a lack of legislation here in the past, but
0:20:42 > 0:20:46are things so bad that the state has to come to drive legislation
0:20:46 > 0:20:51through at top speed? That is what it looked like earlier as the
0:20:51 > 0:20:54mystery racing driver met MLAs on the steps of parliament buildings.
0:20:54 > 0:20:59But the wheels of government perturb too slowly for the real
0:20:59 > 0:21:09racer. This impersonator was here to launch Air Festival of motor
0:21:09 > 0:21:17
0:21:17 > 0:21:22sport. -- to launch Air Festival. I hope he does not drive home to
0:21:22 > 0:21:24Armagh like that! That was not actually Danny Kennedy driving!
0:21:24 > 0:21:28How the Department of Employment and learned will be divided up
0:21:28 > 0:21:32there will be debated in the chamber tomorrow. It seems no
0:21:32 > 0:21:39minister will be responding to the debate. The committee has had a
0:21:39 > 0:21:43consultation on the dissolution, and its share joint winner. -- its
0:21:43 > 0:21:48chair joins me now. Are you annoyed about the lack of a response?
0:21:48 > 0:21:53Slightly disappointed. That will be a view shared by a number of people.
0:21:53 > 0:21:57We have done a lot of work, it is very important, and a lot of people
0:21:57 > 0:22:02worry about it. We want to know what they are thinking about.
0:22:02 > 0:22:06it comes to the consultation, it reads as a shambles in terms of
0:22:06 > 0:22:10continuity, because every single sector since to have a different
0:22:10 > 0:22:14opinion on where they think they're a bit of the pie should end up.
0:22:14 > 0:22:18That is part of the problem, because nobody is sure about what
0:22:18 > 0:22:22might be on offer, everybody puts forward their own particular view.
0:22:22 > 0:22:29It is no surprise, different people will think about things from there
0:22:29 > 0:22:33and context. -- from their own context. We need to get some way
0:22:33 > 0:22:40forward, because if we go into the summer without having this resolved,
0:22:40 > 0:22:43the role will plummet, people that of relying on us will suffer.
0:22:43 > 0:22:49of the consultation is a staff survey, which revealed interesting
0:22:49 > 0:22:55results. The details, we will talk about tomorrow, but it is unusual
0:22:55 > 0:23:00for us to ask the staff. Quite often, Rica to the normal
0:23:00 > 0:23:05stakeholders. -- we go to the normal stakeholders. The staff are
0:23:05 > 0:23:12affected by the changes, they are knowledgeable. A lot of them put
0:23:12 > 0:23:16forward constructive suggestions. But there was some criticism of
0:23:16 > 0:23:20everybody, to say, this is no way to run a country. Those are my
0:23:20 > 0:23:25words. But it is along the lines of, if this is just political
0:23:25 > 0:23:30expediency, it is not good. Do you think the consultation will be
0:23:30 > 0:23:35taken on board when it comes to the executive deciding? I intend to
0:23:35 > 0:23:38make that point tomorrow. I am sure that other colleagues on the
0:23:38 > 0:23:44committee will stress the importance. The good thing that
0:23:44 > 0:23:52came out is how well it is thought of and what a good job it does. But
0:23:52 > 0:23:56we are not sure that the department have got the message or have got a
0:23:56 > 0:24:00solution about what they will do next. They are doing their own
0:24:00 > 0:24:07consultation, but we do not know what it is. I think there will be
0:24:07 > 0:24:11more pressure on them to come back with real plans very shortly.
0:24:11 > 0:24:17have not had a Department of Employment and learned for that
0:24:17 > 0:24:21long, and these organisations and departments survived before. It is
0:24:21 > 0:24:29true that we do seem to change and reconfigure quite often, but every
0:24:29 > 0:24:32time you do that, you get a loss of service. There is a bedding down
0:24:32 > 0:24:39period. A lot of people have got used to the new arrangements, they
0:24:39 > 0:24:43are quite happy. Added to that, there might be other changes to
0:24:43 > 0:24:47other departments, it introduces a huge amount of uncertainty. If this
0:24:47 > 0:24:55was a private sector business that had announced a merger, you would
0:24:55 > 0:25:00have every MLA campaigning to say it is ridiculous, this is no way to
0:25:00 > 0:25:05go ahead, and this is not the right way to reorganise the Government.
0:25:05 > 0:25:10Your charity receives funding from them, what do you think? We have
0:25:10 > 0:25:17received funding from them. They provide a very professional service.
0:25:17 > 0:25:22We would be very concerned if there is any change to that.
0:25:22 > 0:25:26We may have been joking about the state driving through legislation,
0:25:26 > 0:25:29but some MLAs feel there is a serious point to be made about the
0:25:29 > 0:25:36lack of executive business. More pressure was exerted on the
0:25:36 > 0:25:39executive today. Two independent MLAs will ask the
0:25:39 > 0:25:44business committee tomorrow if they can have the Assembly debate a
0:25:44 > 0:25:48motion which calls on the executive to give a timetable for when
0:25:48 > 0:25:52legislation is coming down the line. There is a sense of frustration
0:25:52 > 0:25:57that this is a legislative assembly and there is not enough for members
0:25:57 > 0:26:01to do. The executive have told me that ministers are doing other
0:26:01 > 0:26:06things, they have introduced six Bills, three have been executed,
0:26:06 > 0:26:11and they have made over 70 or statements. But it is said it is
0:26:11 > 0:26:16not what the executive is to signed today. We have had the Titanic
0:26:16 > 0:26:22commemorations, and there is more to come. The next event, the
0:26:22 > 0:26:27covenant, the centenary. Jim Alastair has been pressing for a
0:26:27 > 0:26:31take off for everybody. But he was told that the executive has not
0:26:31 > 0:26:35discussed the option. The assembly put out a statement, saying they
0:26:35 > 0:26:42had agreed a set of principles around commemorations and what
0:26:42 > 0:26:46should be commemorated, but they have agreed in principle to market
0:26:46 > 0:26:51the Easter rising as well as the Battle of the Somme. -- to market
0:26:51 > 0:26:57the Easter rising. Irish is becoming more popular. Yes, the
0:26:57 > 0:27:02Culture Minister said that the initiative for had been a great
0:27:02 > 0:27:08success can and they were well above their target of 1000 people.
0:27:08 > 0:27:15They will put some more resources One of the areas of difficulty that
0:27:15 > 0:27:17has been widely publicised is the psychiatric help for children
0:27:17 > 0:27:23within the mental health service. Is that something Giffin still
0:27:23 > 0:27:28needs to be pushed with government? Yes, it is the joined-up between
0:27:28 > 0:27:34adult and child services. The services need to be more joined-up,
0:27:34 > 0:27:40to provide a more efficient service. When people get to 17 or 18, they
0:27:40 > 0:27:48moved, and they could lose their psychiatrist. Yes, the degree of
0:27:48 > 0:27:53support and resources are reduces. Did you think that being the
0:27:53 > 0:27:56charity of the year will give you the ear of the minister? I hope it
0:27:56 > 0:28:00will help influence him. There are many other charities trying to do
0:28:00 > 0:28:07the same, but I hope he will because more favourably. Why were
0:28:07 > 0:28:12you chosen? We have managed to deliver a good, efficient service,