:00:23. > :00:26.Hello and welcome to Stormont Today. Prison reform was yesterday's
:00:26. > :00:35.debate, but it's today's news as the First Minister threatens to
:00:35. > :00:41.bring down the assembly. It will not happen on my watch, let's make
:00:41. > :00:46.it very clear up. This is a matter which, if they attempt to bring it,
:00:46. > :00:52.I will resign and I will take this matter to the electorate.
:00:52. > :00:56.And has the quality of debate reached rock bottom in the chamber?
:00:56. > :01:01.I have listened to some rubbish in this house in my day, and I have to
:01:01. > :01:03.say that this morning probably comes close to beating it all.
:01:03. > :01:09.And joining me throughout the programme, Frances McCandless, the
:01:09. > :01:12.head of the Charity Commission. There has been plenty of criticism
:01:12. > :01:15.of the assembly for a lack of legislation since the election in
:01:15. > :01:20.May, but one piece of legislation that was passed during the previous
:01:20. > :01:28.mandate is now bearing fruit - the creation of a Charity commission.
:01:28. > :01:33.With me is its Chief Executive, Frances McCandless. We certainly
:01:33. > :01:37.had many years of calling for an Charity Commission, what difference
:01:37. > :01:41.t think you have made? We think now we are here the public have
:01:41. > :01:46.somewhere to go if they have concerns about a charity or want to
:01:46. > :01:52.find out who is or is not a charity. Eventually we will have a register
:01:52. > :01:58.of all of the charity is who, under law, qualify as being a charity. If
:01:58. > :02:02.you are approached for money or time or a donation or whatever and
:02:02. > :02:07.you want to find out if the organisation is bona fide, you can
:02:07. > :02:11.check on line. All that work is getting up and under way. There is
:02:12. > :02:17.a problem with the registering, what is the delay? We have had a
:02:17. > :02:20.delay with the legislation. When a decision is made, that will go back
:02:20. > :02:25.through the assembly and we will begin registering the organisations
:02:25. > :02:29.that want to be charities. We will have a clean register and build it
:02:29. > :02:33.up from scratch, in the meantime we are getting on with work and have
:02:33. > :02:37.put a temporary piece of legislation in place. All
:02:37. > :02:41.organisations that were given a charity number for tax purposes are
:02:41. > :02:49.now deemed to be charities and all under our jurisdiction so
:02:49. > :02:55.regulation is up and running. When we get legislation in place anyone
:02:55. > :02:59.can go on to hour website and check that list and find out if the
:02:59. > :03:04.organisation currently is or is not deemed a charity. Had he been able
:03:04. > :03:07.to take action so far? We had a number of complaints. Some more
:03:07. > :03:13.serious than others. The ones we have managed to close are the ones
:03:13. > :03:18.we were able to take quick and easy action. For example, if an
:03:18. > :03:21.organisation is doing something or not doing something, not thought
:03:21. > :03:27.malevolent reasons but from oversight will they did not realise
:03:27. > :03:33.what they were supposed to be doing, such as not publishing accounts, we
:03:33. > :03:37.are able to go to them, give advice about had to put it right and not
:03:38. > :03:42.use stronger powers than that to fix a situation. Now they are more
:03:42. > :03:45.serious situations than that. can talk about those later.
:03:45. > :03:48.Everyone wanted to talk about salmon today, it featured on the
:03:48. > :03:51.canteen menu and also on the question time menu served up to the
:03:52. > :03:58.culture minister. More on that in a moment, but we start with social
:03:58. > :04:04.development and welfare reform coming from Westminster. One of the
:04:04. > :04:07.key elements of welfare reform will be the transition towards universal
:04:07. > :04:12.credit and where there are undoubted benefits in one single
:04:12. > :04:17.payment, there are also risks involved with one single allowance.
:04:17. > :04:21.I wonder if the minister has any plans of how he may mitigate these
:04:21. > :04:26.risks, which will see people receive all their benefits in one
:04:26. > :04:32.go as the title suggests and therefore could lead to further
:04:32. > :04:41.debt and poverty, particularly given the lack of financial
:04:41. > :04:46.capability strategy here? I was discussing the issue of financial
:04:46. > :04:51.capability earlier on this morning. It is something that is not
:04:51. > :04:58.forgotten. The change to a single payment will bring change, no doubt
:04:58. > :05:04.about that. I think that part of the thinking that is behind this is
:05:04. > :05:08.to actually increase responsibility, financial responsibility, and that
:05:08. > :05:13.is a good thing in itself to teach people how to manage money. On the
:05:13. > :05:19.other hand, there are particularly vulnerable people, and I am sure we
:05:19. > :05:23.can all think of vulnerable sectors where the arrival of a single
:05:23. > :05:28.payment may lead to many not being used in a way it was intended,
:05:28. > :05:33.again a single payment means it is all coming to one person in the
:05:33. > :05:39.family and quite often enough family, I know in my case my wife
:05:39. > :05:44.looks after all of the finances, and in a lot of homes are a thing
:05:44. > :05:50.that happens. Who the payment is made to, all of these are a cause
:05:50. > :05:53.for concern. Moving on to alcohol controls and
:05:53. > :05:59.the cocktail lifestyle is not something the minister is normally
:05:59. > :06:03.associated with, but perhaps some other members of. I thank the
:06:03. > :06:07.Minister for his answer. I find myself somewhat edgy making a
:06:07. > :06:12.supplementary. Would the minister also agree that the fight against
:06:12. > :06:16.the misuse, if that is the right word, of alcohol should also take
:06:16. > :06:24.into account what are called cocktail jugs which can contain
:06:24. > :06:30.anything between a litre and 1.5 litres of generally none describe
:06:30. > :06:35.spirits which are sold in family type restaurants and nightclubs?
:06:35. > :06:42.The person who buys it has no indication of the amount of Algol
:06:42. > :06:47.contained and the effects of drinking it, I am told, are extreme.
:06:47. > :06:53.I don't know whether the member has a greater expertise in this field
:06:53. > :06:58.than I could possibly have. The issue of minimum pricing is simply
:06:58. > :07:07.one aspect of this, the other aspect is clearly around the
:07:07. > :07:12.promotion of, the sort of promotion of cheap alcohol in night clubs and
:07:12. > :07:16.so on. This type of thing is clearly irresponsible.
:07:16. > :07:20.Irresponsibility is the other problem that we do have. I think,
:07:20. > :07:26.in terms of looking at the overall package of measures that will come
:07:26. > :07:30.forward, that sort of thing should be taken into consideration. Salmon
:07:30. > :07:38.stocks are under pressure and members wanted to know how the
:07:38. > :07:44.culture minister would protect them. I wondered, could you detail for us
:07:44. > :07:50.why the wild Atlantic salmon stocks are in such a state of decline?
:07:50. > :07:55.There are a few reasons for it. The scientific evidence so far would
:07:55. > :07:57.indicate that the decline in numbers of salmon, particularly
:07:57. > :08:04.returning to our rivers, is consistent with international
:08:04. > :08:10.evidence which points out that things like Habitat migration,
:08:10. > :08:14.pollution and balancing predator prey relationships, ecosystems and
:08:14. > :08:19.recreational and commercial exploitation. There are concerns,
:08:19. > :08:24.also, on their own stocks regarding the survival rate during the Marine
:08:24. > :08:27.phase of the salmon going back into the rivers. It is the focus of
:08:27. > :08:37.research which aims to better understand the reasons I have
:08:37. > :08:38.
:08:38. > :08:42.outlined. In regard to the continuing use of the net south,
:08:43. > :08:50.the drift-net which are in use, particularly on the County Antrim
:08:50. > :08:57.coast, why is it that there has been success by up -- successful
:08:57. > :09:01.buyout everywhere else, there seems to be rabid of this box by the
:09:01. > :09:07.existence of the drift-net on the north coast? When is the Minister
:09:07. > :09:15.going to take action? I thank them member for the supplementary. As I
:09:15. > :09:23.pointed out to John Dobson, the issue in 2001 was that there were
:09:23. > :09:28.55 commercial fishermen, there are now sick speak. What I would say to
:09:28. > :09:33.the member and any other member, if he has any specific information and
:09:33. > :09:39.that was outside of the conditions of the licence that was given, I
:09:39. > :09:43.would expect the member to bring that forward so I can pass that on
:09:43. > :09:51.because these licences are regulated. If there is any sign of
:09:51. > :09:54.abuse or misuse, it is important to bring the information forward.
:09:54. > :09:59.Frances we have had examples where many has been donated to charity
:09:59. > :10:03.which has then been spent on something else, how can the
:10:03. > :10:07.commission and step in in that situation so that people can feel
:10:07. > :10:11.confident that the money they are donating goes to the place it
:10:11. > :10:17.should be? I can't comment on that example not having seen the details,
:10:17. > :10:21.but in general, the Commission has powers to ask a charity to give
:10:21. > :10:25.that information and if it is not forthcoming, demand it. We can look
:10:25. > :10:30.at their accounts, see where resources are going and check that
:10:30. > :10:37.they are being put to charitable purposes. The special thing about
:10:37. > :10:41.charity is that it attacks -- attracts tax concessions. The
:10:41. > :10:46.reason it is regulated is to make sure that the resources which are
:10:46. > :10:49.charitable are going in the same direction. So a charity must use
:10:49. > :10:54.its resources for a charitable purpose and we can ensure that they
:10:54. > :10:56.Jim Allister really put the cat among the pigeons yesterday when he
:10:56. > :10:59.asked David Ford about possible changes to prison emblems and
:10:59. > :11:02.titles. In fact, it prompted fury from the DUP with the First
:11:02. > :11:09.Minister threatening an assembly election. Here's what he told Mark
:11:09. > :11:15.Devenport. A I have had a series of meetings
:11:16. > :11:19.with the prism of the Duke. I have seen their report, there was no
:11:19. > :11:24.mention in any meeting I have had with them nor any mention in the
:11:24. > :11:29.report that there would be any change to either been named all the
:11:29. > :11:33.batch, so this came completely out of the blue. David Ford has never
:11:33. > :11:37.mentioned it to me so let's be very clear, he is badly advised if he
:11:37. > :11:42.thinks that this is something that can be done in an operational
:11:42. > :11:47.manner. The whole system that we built up, he might have got off
:11:47. > :11:52.with it on -- under the Belfast Agreement, but after St Andrew's he
:11:52. > :11:55.cannot get away with it because the system was set up to make sure any
:11:55. > :11:59.controversial matter would be put in the executive. I don't think
:11:59. > :12:06.anyone would question this is a controversial matter. It will not
:12:06. > :12:09.happen on my watch, let's make it very clear. If they attempt to
:12:09. > :12:14.bring this, I will resign and take this matter to the electorate and
:12:14. > :12:21.they will have their say. So you will blockade under any
:12:21. > :12:26.circumstance? It will be blocked. It is simply not on the agenda. If
:12:26. > :12:30.David Ward applies this to his present reform, something that is
:12:30. > :12:35.an inescapable part, then he will damage his whole project. If he
:12:35. > :12:37.does not want that to go down the toilet in is to reconsider. What
:12:37. > :12:41.would you say to those that say that when the police service has
:12:42. > :12:46.reform there was a change of emblem, a change of bad patch and uniform
:12:46. > :12:50.and therefore it is a natural part of anywhere formation of the Prison
:12:50. > :12:56.Service. By a posted them as I would oppose it now. They were
:12:56. > :13:02.wrong then just as this is wrong now. I think Peter needs to calm
:13:02. > :13:05.down. A whole issue of prison reform is of vital importance. That
:13:05. > :13:12.is one of the reasons why Anne and her team were involved in looking
:13:12. > :13:16.at why the presence this damp and coming forward with important
:13:16. > :13:20.proposals that will fundamentally change the whole system of present
:13:20. > :13:25.and how we administrator presence in the future. So, let's be
:13:25. > :13:30.sensible about this. Let's be very calm about how we deal with it. I
:13:30. > :13:34.think they should be no knee-jerk reactions. Do you think a major
:13:34. > :13:38.change? I support the proposals that have been put forward by Anne
:13:38. > :13:42.and her team. I think they understand that there is a problem
:13:42. > :13:49.within the service and that the Prison Service has to be a service
:13:50. > :13:53.that is accepting of everyone. Of all of the cultural and, you know,
:13:53. > :13:57.political aspirations of the community. It is to be
:13:57. > :14:02.representative and I think that as we go forward we have to deal with
:14:02. > :14:05.proposals in a very sober, calm and sensible way without any joking.
:14:05. > :14:15.Everybody knows that there has to be fundamental change and there is
:14:15. > :14:24.
:14:24. > :14:27.no stopping at. I think all of us Have the committee's soured badly
:14:27. > :14:33.in their relationship. Could the committee be failing in their
:14:33. > :14:40.material? Here is a weekly look at the work of the committees. We were
:14:40. > :14:50.copied in with regards to Letters to the Speaker and leeks on
:14:50. > :14:57.documents. The original letter to the first minister. That was the
:14:57. > :15:01.last piece. The last piece of correspondence. The first and
:15:01. > :15:08.Deputy First Minister wrote to the Speaker to stay there increasing
:15:08. > :15:12.concern about classified documents coming to the public domain. And
:15:12. > :15:19.they go on to refer to the needs for a climate of trust to allow
:15:19. > :15:23.productive business relationships to flourish. And also they refer
:15:23. > :15:29.took the leak as not assisting committees and assisting their
:15:29. > :15:35.statutory duties in the development of their policies. I had let this
:15:35. > :15:38.go to a certain extent, been given the tone of the letter, and the 10
:15:38. > :15:43.months it took to get access to the documents to which they are
:15:43. > :15:53.referring, that they were leaked, that did not help us in getting a
:15:53. > :16:00.climate of trust or fulfilling a statutory role. That is why I ask,
:16:00. > :16:05.because it has been pretty pointed from the committee and I don't
:16:05. > :16:09.think they included the people who had it. In fairness, the speakers
:16:09. > :16:16.responses robust. Three weeks passed and a lot of other people
:16:16. > :16:22.could have leaked it. There is a danger of conflating two issues. I
:16:22. > :16:24.would very much support due if the first and deputy first minister say
:16:25. > :16:27.they need to have good working relationships, maybe this is an
:16:27. > :16:35.opportunity to write back and say that one way we could improve this
:16:35. > :16:41.is by speeding up the delivery of information. Assuming this goes
:16:41. > :16:45.well and we recruit new officers, I predict he will have tens of
:16:45. > :16:50.thousands of applications. Because obviously there are very few
:16:50. > :16:54.opportunities I can think of, maybe next building work on the South
:16:54. > :16:59.Down, because there are opportunities, but can we have an
:16:59. > :17:05.assurance that that recruitment exercise will be done entirely on
:17:05. > :17:11.merit rather than positive discrimination. You can have an
:17:11. > :17:17.insurance that it will be done on merit. There is no proposal on any
:17:17. > :17:21.other way and I think the minister has been clear on that. A standard
:17:22. > :17:28.recruitment exercise? In will be a standard recruitment exercise
:17:29. > :17:31.following best-practice of the Civil Service. Obviously the basis
:17:31. > :17:37.of this is to reinvigorate the Prison Service in get new staffing,
:17:37. > :17:43.but also savings in the long term. What is the break-even point? How
:17:43. > :17:50.many staff do you need to leave for this to become cost neutral?
:17:50. > :17:55.Ideally, we need 360 to leave it to allow us to start for the
:17:55. > :18:00.recruitment process and refresh the organisation. Over the 10 years of
:18:00. > :18:07.the business case we estimate the scheme will save us �180 million,
:18:07. > :18:13.so in terms of investment it will cost �60 million and it is good
:18:13. > :18:18.value for money for the taxpayer. We are looking at around 360 as the
:18:18. > :18:27.break-even point. That committee obviously sat before yesterday's
:18:27. > :18:29.controversy unfolded. Is there some sort of "chill factor" stopping
:18:29. > :18:32.young protestants going to university here? The DUP and the
:18:32. > :18:35.TUV think so and want the Higher Education Minister to do something
:18:35. > :18:38.about it. An attempt by the Alliance Party to widen the scope
:18:38. > :18:41.of the debate, and get the Minister to address barriers to higher
:18:41. > :18:47.education in general, failed to win support. More on that in a moment,
:18:47. > :18:51.but first here's a taste of the debate. In terms of all enrolments,
:18:51. > :18:58.students that are domiciled in Northern Ireland, two and a half
:18:58. > :19:05.1,000 of them attended universities in Liverpool a loan. And nearly
:19:05. > :19:08.1,500 attend universities in the Glasgow region alone. Of course,
:19:08. > :19:14.there are multiplicity is attending other universities, Dundee,
:19:14. > :19:19.Newcastle, Edinburgh, Aberdeen. And throughout Wales and the north-east
:19:19. > :19:26.of England but when you have 4,000 students just in those two main
:19:26. > :19:33.urban conurbations of England and Scotland alone, we begin to see the
:19:33. > :19:40.scale of students leaving Northern Ireland. I have to say this morning
:19:40. > :19:44.comes close to beating all the rubbish I have ever heard. Just
:19:44. > :19:48.listening to Tom saying there was no evidence that the Department of
:19:48. > :19:52.Employment and learning had taken steps to counteract this so-called
:19:52. > :19:58.disparity yet no matter where we live today there is no evidence of
:19:58. > :20:02.the disparity of a cold house for Catholics or a chill factor for
:20:02. > :20:11.Protestants, even in the University of Ulster or Queen's University.
:20:11. > :20:19.The reality is that there are many complex and diverse reasons for
:20:19. > :20:25.students going to university of their choice. As a Unionist I think
:20:25. > :20:29.it is could that students actively partake in university through the
:20:29. > :20:39.United Kingdom. I would like to see them go and I would like to see
:20:39. > :20:46.them come back. He is wrong for people to underline the religious
:20:46. > :20:50.divide in the education sector. This can only have a damaging
:20:50. > :20:54.effects on the higher education sector. The message we must send
:20:54. > :21:00.out is that we are focused on having a world-class education
:21:00. > :21:04.training system in Northern Ireland that is open and accessible and
:21:04. > :21:14.this is critical if we are to have world-class economy is that, like
:21:14. > :21:15.
:21:15. > :21:21.we all deserve. Way you disappointed it did not come
:21:21. > :21:24.forward? We did not do anything to address the disparity amongst the
:21:24. > :21:30.Protestant students in Northern Ireland and the figures simply do
:21:30. > :21:35.not support that. There is a more fundamental issue which is the lack
:21:35. > :21:38.of Protestant working-class males a university, and in terms of
:21:38. > :21:44.educational under-achievement, that is a fundamental issue that the
:21:44. > :21:50.assembly needs to address and address with executive action. We
:21:50. > :21:53.need a Child poverty Action Plan and childcare strategy and see the
:21:53. > :21:58.Minister of Education bring forward an early years education strategy
:21:58. > :22:02.to tackle this at its root. So you were not impressed by the quality
:22:02. > :22:06.of debate and it fell on predictable lines. Unfortunately, I
:22:06. > :22:12.would agree with Michelle left. It was a missed opportunity to get
:22:12. > :22:22.into the detail causes of the problem of a lack of representation
:22:22. > :22:28.of Protestant males. How we offer support and insure that is open to
:22:28. > :22:31.everyone who can benefit. It is all about statistics, and one in five
:22:31. > :22:35.Catholics is likely to go to university compared to one in 10
:22:35. > :22:39.Protestants, so it's to be expected there would be fewer Protestants at
:22:39. > :22:44.universities then. The wider population of the age group is
:22:44. > :22:49.reflected at university but there is a particularly persistent
:22:49. > :22:52.problem of working-class Protestant males gaining access to university
:22:52. > :23:01.and achieving at post primary level. That has been well-documented in
:23:01. > :23:07.the past and unfortunately the executive is still failing Tabard
:23:07. > :23:12.joined-up approach to tackling the problem. Do you think it will be
:23:12. > :23:16.put on the long finger? I will be using the committee to commit to
:23:16. > :23:22.Child poverty Action Plan. And my colleagues in the education
:23:22. > :23:30.committee will raise the issue as well. While you're here, I hope
:23:30. > :23:33.that the facial look of the changes we see our for charity reasons.
:23:33. > :23:38.Strictly charitable purposes, fund- raising for Men's Cancer awareness
:23:38. > :23:46.and you'll be glad it will be gone by the end of November. Quite a few
:23:46. > :23:49.cropping up around the chamber. We are trying our best. With rising
:23:49. > :23:51.fuel prices and winter weather just around the corner fuel poverty is
:23:51. > :23:54.becoming increasingly common. Eight government departments are getting
:23:54. > :23:57.together to see what the assembly can do to help those struggling to
:23:57. > :24:07.pay the bills. Unfortunately there's seems little chance of any
:24:07. > :24:10.
:24:10. > :24:14.extra money, but Alex Maskey told me it's more than a talking shop.
:24:14. > :24:19.You can have the danger of falling into decline, but we hope that is
:24:19. > :24:23.not the case. We hope they are issues with payments that people
:24:23. > :24:27.are entitled to a man but we argue for those to be extended and
:24:27. > :24:32.increased. But that is only a short-term measure and there are
:24:32. > :24:40.other issues which are more long- term, but I can assure the
:24:40. > :24:43.listeners and viewers that this initiative taken by ourselves is to
:24:43. > :24:47.ensure joined-up government and scrutiny of how government delivers.
:24:47. > :24:52.We have come into this with the mandate and the big focus is the
:24:52. > :24:56.need to deliver for people out there. Sure this not have been done
:24:56. > :25:02.in September when you first came back so the measures could be going
:25:02. > :25:06.to people with winter just a few weeks away? We are obviously
:25:06. > :25:13.putting a spotlight on the issue. Some of the measures flowing from
:25:13. > :25:19.the discussion, some of them are under way. And we are very aware
:25:19. > :25:23.that there will be no quick fix. And some of them are longer term
:25:23. > :25:27.work which we are determined to see through. The finance minister,
:25:27. > :25:32.Sandie Wilson has talked tough to the big retailers like Tesco and
:25:32. > :25:38.Ikea. Where is the strong message out to the power companies whose
:25:38. > :25:41.profits are running to over 30 %? agree with Ian and I am not
:25:41. > :25:46.speaking for him because it is made up of all the ministers and
:25:47. > :25:53.different parties. The committee could send out a message. We have
:25:53. > :25:59.done and we have been clear that it is not acceptable that so many of
:25:59. > :26:03.us up unable to heat our homes, so almost like a monopoly of one fuel
:26:03. > :26:09.source, so we have to look for alternative sources as we move into
:26:09. > :26:13.the future. We have made it clear that a lot of these energy
:26:13. > :26:19.providers should be looking at how they make a contribution because
:26:19. > :26:21.everybody here is suffering. We've already heard from the First
:26:21. > :26:24.Minister about prison reform, but the TUV leader, Jim Allister, who
:26:24. > :26:27.unearthed the controversy in the chamber last night, has gone a step
:26:27. > :26:33.further, as our political correspondent Martina Purdy told me
:26:33. > :26:36.earlier. He has tabled a motion of no confidence in the justice
:26:36. > :26:41.minister, and to get that past he would need cross-community support
:26:41. > :26:44.and there is no chance of getting that. But if he can try and get
:26:44. > :26:48.members of the DUP and other Unionists to sign ahead of his
:26:48. > :26:52.annual conference this weekend. are one day closer to the long
:26:52. > :26:56.awaited programme for government. That is right. We have heard it
:26:56. > :27:00.will be a marathon late-night session tomorrow, starting around
:27:00. > :27:06.7pm. That programme for government has been much awaited and drafts
:27:06. > :27:08.have been bouncing around various departments and one leaked in
:27:08. > :27:12.September talk about jobs and investment being a priority. As
:27:12. > :27:15.well as finishing the programme for government may have to finish the
:27:16. > :27:20.investment strategy and there will be changes to that in light of the
:27:20. > :27:25.A five roads project been cancelled. If they can get that together as
:27:25. > :27:28.expected then the assembly is going to meet on Thursday to discuss it
:27:28. > :27:37.and so far we have had no indication that that meeting is
:27:37. > :27:41.going away and it is scheduled for Thursday. Fuel poverty, will be
:27:41. > :27:47.executive Dick we heard about that, so will the executive committee do
:27:47. > :27:54.anything? There was the prospective fund to direct money to direct
:27:54. > :27:59.money to needy families and develop Minister could bring forward a
:27:59. > :28:05.paper, and we understand it has not been put forward but it is only an
:28:06. > :28:08.issue for the government and it is one they will be looking at.
:28:08. > :28:13.Compared to some of the other commission since the Good Friday
:28:13. > :28:17.agreement you do have a slightly different role. We are a regulator
:28:17. > :28:22.who have been brought in to do a specific task which is to list the
:28:22. > :28:24.charities and monitor them to make sure they are acting properly so we
:28:24. > :28:30.can prop up confidence and so the charities can get on with their
:28:31. > :28:34.work. We have a targeted at specific job but has been
:28:34. > :28:40.successful across the political spectrum but also by the charities
:28:40. > :28:44.themselves. They are very happy to have scrutiny to prove the work
:28:44. > :28:47.they are doing. Thank you for joining us. That's it from Stormont