:00:26. > :00:30.Hello and welcome to Stormont Today, where we distil the finest speeches
:00:30. > :00:33.from the Assembly and bring you the intoxicating highlights. On
:00:33. > :00:36.tonight's programme, David Ford faces his first question time of
:00:36. > :00:46.the new term and, despite some progress, he notes there is still
:00:46. > :00:51.work to do on peace lines. I am clear their community consent
:00:52. > :00:55.remains the key driver for change, however their areas where agreement
:00:56. > :00:58.for positive change does not exist. Measuring up for the job - but are
:00:58. > :01:01.too many of these creating weighty issues for our MLAs?
:01:01. > :01:04.Are training colleges here producing too many teachers?
:01:04. > :01:14.Teaching union leader Tony Carlin is here to discuss the latest
:01:14. > :01:15.
:01:15. > :01:17.Are we training too many teachers here? With those leaving college
:01:17. > :01:21.struggling to get jobs, the Education Minister is under
:01:21. > :01:25.pressure to do more to help. Is following the Scottish model and
:01:25. > :01:29.introducing a guaranteed employment for one year the solution? Or does
:01:29. > :01:32.it just push the problem further down the line? Let's get the views
:01:32. > :01:40.of one union. Tony Carlin is from The Irish National Teachers
:01:40. > :01:45.Organisation. How are we training too many teachers? We would
:01:45. > :01:51.disagree that we are because there are still disciplines work is
:01:51. > :01:56.difficult to get those specialisms. We believe that the teacher
:01:56. > :02:00.training colleges operate an admission policy and that that
:02:00. > :02:06.policy dos generation professional teachers. On to money, they may
:02:06. > :02:12.find work, but not in Northern Ireland's. That is the problem.
:02:12. > :02:18.teacher I heard this morning, did his class of 22, on the five have
:02:18. > :02:23.got jobs. We talk continually to newly-qualified teachers throughout
:02:23. > :02:27.the year and provide them with experience and the skills that are
:02:27. > :02:34.necessary to go for interviews, but we continually find that their
:02:34. > :02:38.unsuccessful. They compete vigorously for employment and in a
:02:38. > :02:44.market place or each one of them is highly skilled, but they're not
:02:44. > :02:48.able to get those jobs other than substitute implement. Would you
:02:48. > :02:54.like to see the Scottish model employed, giving every new a fight
:02:54. > :02:59.- - every newly qualified teacher when you have experience? We have
:02:59. > :03:04.been at the front are proposing this. It is an important step and
:03:04. > :03:09.it would give newly-qualified teachers the experience but the
:03:09. > :03:14.need. It would allow them to see if they are suited to teaching in the
:03:14. > :03:17.classroom. The minister today set the we would wait to see the
:03:17. > :03:21.outcome of an evaluation of what happened in Scotland, but the
:03:21. > :03:29.longer we wait the longer more teachers would leave to work in
:03:29. > :03:32.Scotland or England, Wales or further afield. Bottomley, our
:03:32. > :03:37.training colleges will become training colleges and only that and
:03:37. > :03:45.we will become a training agency were expertise it exported to the
:03:45. > :03:48.benefit of people not here. The Justice Minister, David Ford,
:03:48. > :03:51.is never far from the headlines and he was up taking questions today
:03:51. > :03:54.with the Police Ombudsman high on the list. Before that, Peter
:03:54. > :03:56.Robinson was facing his first questions of the new term. Here he
:03:56. > :04:06.is answering a question from Daithi McKay on an inquiry into
:04:06. > :04:07.
:04:07. > :04:12.institutional child abuse. executive at its meeting on 7th
:04:12. > :04:17.July discuss the inter-departmental task force recommendations and
:04:17. > :04:22.asked junior ministers to contact survivors over at the coming months
:04:22. > :04:26.to talk about those recommendations. Junior ministers have that with
:04:26. > :04:29.five victims and survivors groups and ministers had met with the
:04:30. > :04:33.officials responsible for managing historical abuse of inquiries in
:04:33. > :04:37.Scotland and the Republic of Ireland. The information gathered
:04:37. > :04:45.will inform our report will be submitted to the executive before
:04:45. > :04:51.it makes its final decision in the autumn. Can I thank the Minister
:04:51. > :04:55.for his answer. This is a sensitive issue, but can I ask if he
:04:55. > :05:03.recognises the concerns of many of those who suffered abuse at round
:05:03. > :05:07.the issue of whether people can be compelled, and will any inquiry
:05:07. > :05:12.have statutory powers? This is something the executive has to
:05:12. > :05:18.decide upon. The member is probably aware that we have received a
:05:18. > :05:23.report on the task force. But recommends and non-statutory
:05:23. > :05:30.inquiry, however during the course of meetings with the victims'
:05:30. > :05:35.groups there was a view from victims which will lead towards us
:05:35. > :05:40.believing that they wanted a statutory inquiry. I am not sure
:05:40. > :05:45.that all the victims are aware of the pros and cons of a statutory
:05:45. > :05:50.inquiry. There is the possibility of us looking at something like
:05:50. > :05:57.that proposition they might have some elements do other statutory
:05:57. > :06:00.basis and some not. I would point out to victims and sells that if we
:06:00. > :06:05.take the statutory route the only statutory provision that is
:06:05. > :06:09.available to us would limit the period of an inquiry to between
:06:10. > :06:14.1973 and 1989 and I don't think that is going to assist victims. If
:06:14. > :06:24.we have to bring forward new legislation it could be two years
:06:24. > :06:26.
:06:26. > :06:31.before we would be proceeding. I acknowledge the work the first
:06:31. > :06:34.and Deputy First Minister have done on this issue. Can I invite the
:06:34. > :06:39.First Minister to acknowledge to the house but it is about getting
:06:39. > :06:43.this right rather than getting it quickly and that the needs of
:06:43. > :06:49.survivors will only be able to be properly met, albeit over a longer
:06:49. > :06:55.period of time, if we do have a fleet independent statutory based
:06:55. > :06:59.inquiry. I Twohig knowledge that it is important that we get it right.
:06:59. > :07:05.Every party will have their own views and not all victims agree on
:07:05. > :07:13.what the process should be. It is important that if we have a
:07:13. > :07:18.statutory inquiry but the statutory element of it does not increase the
:07:18. > :07:23.paean that victims have already gone through. In many cases, if
:07:23. > :07:27.they have to give evidence to be cross-examined, but may well do it.
:07:27. > :07:34.You can have a statutory inquiry were the only person who will be
:07:34. > :07:38.obliged to come is the person he is accused. Next up was David Ford's,
:07:38. > :07:41.taking questions on the Police Ombudsman. Does the Minister accept
:07:42. > :07:45.that the independence of the ombudsman's office has been law to
:07:45. > :07:50.such an extent but the current ombudsman longer enjoys the
:07:50. > :07:57.confidence of the Sinn Fein, SDLP and many families affected by the
:07:57. > :08:03.conflict? Kit is clear that there are concerns about the independence
:08:03. > :08:06.of the Office of the ombudsman, but a rare fare the member to what they
:08:06. > :08:11.said yesterday that it is clear that the vast majority of work
:08:11. > :08:15.being done to the on button office is proceeding well and has been
:08:15. > :08:19.received well by those who refer cases and those who receive those
:08:19. > :08:24.reports back. The issue of dealing with the star it matters is an
:08:24. > :08:29.issue which has added complication to the ombudsman's office. What is
:08:29. > :08:34.clear is that we require a functioning ombudsman's Office to
:08:34. > :08:39.deal with current cases and the Ombudsman has himself said that he
:08:39. > :08:44.is willing to picket the offices and as a replacement is appointed.
:08:44. > :08:49.Would the Minister agree with me that the original role which he has
:08:49. > :08:54.outlined of the ombudsman was to investigate current police cases
:08:54. > :08:57.where there are complaints, and with regard to that rule the
:08:57. > :09:03.Ombudsman Office has done what anybody would describe as a
:09:03. > :09:10.reasonable job, and that moving him into the remit of investigating
:09:10. > :09:14.historical cases has led to huge problems with in that department?
:09:14. > :09:20.Yes, I will agree with the member on what the original perception may
:09:20. > :09:27.have been. The reality is we are required to have a good mechanism
:09:27. > :09:30.in place to deal with this Turkish Jews. At the moment the ombudsman
:09:30. > :09:37.Office does that. At the moment there is no alternative mechanism
:09:37. > :09:41.in place and its it is the duty on a number of other people, and not
:09:41. > :09:45.on the ombudsman, to find an alternative mechanism which might
:09:45. > :09:50.help this society as a whole resolve the outstanding issues of
:09:50. > :09:56.the past. Kier David Forde is responding to a question on the
:09:56. > :09:59.issue of peace lines. I am clear their cupidity consent is the key
:09:59. > :10:04.driver for change and a recognise the work done by community groups
:10:04. > :10:09.to bring about the right conditions for change, however there remain
:10:09. > :10:13.areas where agreement for positive change does not yet exist.
:10:13. > :10:18.Following the riots in East Belfast in June and in support of the
:10:18. > :10:21.review being carried out, I commissioned a review of the
:10:21. > :10:26.security infrastructure in the area. I visited the area to speak at
:10:26. > :10:30.local clergy and officials are mad about it had held meetings with
:10:30. > :10:34.committee representatives and local residents to hear their concerns.
:10:34. > :10:38.Some work has been done to improve security fences on the law
:10:38. > :10:44.Newtownards Road and Bridgend. In addition, the Bryson Community
:10:44. > :10:48.Enterprise Building, which has been used as a launching pad for a tax,
:10:48. > :10:58.has been made more to cure. I'm currently considering what further
:10:58. > :11:01.
:11:01. > :11:05.measures need to be taken to ensure public safety. There was a call
:11:05. > :11:14.today for no more hokey kokey round the executive table! The serious
:11:14. > :11:18.point was when would a programme for government be made? I think
:11:18. > :11:25.that the complaints about why it has taken so long to be produced
:11:25. > :11:29.are somewhat misplaced. The previous speaker mentioned but the
:11:29. > :11:34.nature of the system of government but we have were we have five
:11:34. > :11:39.parties in a mandatory coalition, by its very nature makes it more
:11:39. > :11:45.difficult, and not just by parties but five parties have fundamentally
:11:45. > :11:49.different views, makes a much more difficult to produce a document
:11:49. > :11:56.such as a programme for government than it might be elsewhere. But
:11:56. > :12:01.slows things down. We have seen that with other major issues. I
:12:01. > :12:04.would be happy, and am sure many members would be happy to see a
:12:04. > :12:08.different form of government but would speed things up, but as far
:12:08. > :12:11.as I can recall the party which has brought this motion forward still
:12:11. > :12:16.opposes a different form of government that would speed things
:12:16. > :12:22.up, so you can have it both ways. You can't complain about the system
:12:22. > :12:25.Pat Rice things to a halt then oppose any changes to it. Two of
:12:25. > :12:31.the parties have been acting in a hokey kokey approach to the
:12:31. > :12:36.executive, Wonford in and one for about. When the executive was going
:12:36. > :12:45.away to try to deal with these circumstances, one minister for the
:12:45. > :12:51.Ulster Unionist Party... the bigger spending department said nothing
:12:51. > :13:01.over the entire meeting. I hope their march from Tom Elliot will
:13:01. > :13:02.
:13:02. > :13:07.show a new approach, but the parties will come together. While
:13:07. > :13:11.some members have questioned did delay in bringing forward the
:13:11. > :13:15.programme for government, now is not the time to point fingers.
:13:15. > :13:20.Instead we need to look forward and I believe our constituents want us
:13:20. > :13:27.to do that, at how we are to achieve a more realistic
:13:27. > :13:32.sustainable and necessary programme for government. Dominic Bradley
:13:32. > :13:36.joins us now. Once that the income will want that outcome is that of
:13:36. > :13:44.the SDLP did last time? I think it is ironic, that remark coming from
:13:44. > :13:52.Conor Murphy of Sinn Fein, but on the very day that his Deputy First
:13:52. > :13:56.Minister Martin McGuinness stepped out and if John O'Dowd stepped in
:13:56. > :14:01.again... of the criticism that Conor Murphy has directed towards
:14:02. > :14:05.us would be better if it was directed to his own party. They are
:14:05. > :14:08.two different scenarios. He is saying that unless you go into
:14:08. > :14:12.opposition and the proper opposition party you should accept
:14:12. > :14:18.what has put on the table and come together and put some of the
:14:18. > :14:21.differences aside for the good of the wider public. We are fully
:14:21. > :14:25.participating in the executive, but that does not mean to say the
:14:25. > :14:28.people like herself as a backbencher is going to say it's
:14:29. > :14:36.like a nodding dog passing everything that is proposed by Sinn
:14:36. > :14:39.Fein. That is not the reason I was elected. I was elected to hold the
:14:40. > :14:44.government to account and that is what I intend to do, whether it be
:14:44. > :14:50.at committees or on the floor of the assembly as they did today.
:14:50. > :14:53.Some of the points you put forward, looking at tourism and food, they
:14:53. > :14:59.are important sectors, but shouldn't there be a greater
:14:59. > :15:04.emphasis on manufacturing and exports? I did say during the
:15:04. > :15:08.course of my contribution to day that we need to grow a private-
:15:08. > :15:13.sector to produce more wealth and to be less dependent on a public
:15:13. > :15:19.sector which has gradually been eroded by the government in London.
:15:19. > :15:25.I would be in favour of growing the industries that you have penchant,
:15:25. > :15:31.but a programme for government is much wider and it is the policy
:15:31. > :15:36.which direct spending and without that, spending can be directionless,
:15:36. > :15:42.and that is dangerous. The whole process of forming a programme of
:15:42. > :15:47.government I believe allows people to participate in democracy. It
:15:47. > :15:52.allows the trade unions to have their say and allows non-government
:15:52. > :15:56.organisations to have their say and it gives a greater by into
:15:56. > :16:00.government. I believe that process of forming the Programme for
:16:00. > :16:04.Government should be almost complete by now. We did leave the
:16:04. > :16:08.Budget to the last minute and anybody listening today may have
:16:08. > :16:13.felt quite frustrated by the end of its thinking why don't they just
:16:13. > :16:18.get on with it instead of talking about it all day? If you remember
:16:18. > :16:23.back to that period, the stumbling block was difficulties that Sinn
:16:23. > :16:31.Fein presented to the formation of the Budget. Now they are trying to
:16:31. > :16:33.lay the blame at the doorstep of the SDLP. Six months after the
:16:33. > :16:38.Budget with no programme for government, I don't think that is
:16:38. > :16:43.acceptable. That is where brought the motion today. I hope the debate
:16:43. > :16:49.will give some impetus to the process and that we will have a
:16:49. > :16:52.programme for government sooner rather than later.
:16:53. > :16:55.It was a case of 'must try harder' as MLAs spent most of the afternoon
:16:55. > :16:58.debating that problem of graduate teachers unable to get jobs. One
:16:58. > :17:02.newspaper today claimed around 5,000 young teachers are out of
:17:02. > :17:05.work. The issue has come up time and time again in the Chamber and
:17:05. > :17:14.the DUP's Michelle McIlveen, a former teacher herself, said it was
:17:14. > :17:17.like Groundhog Day. It was June 2007, over four years
:17:18. > :17:22.ago, that the issues surrounding the employment prospects of newly-
:17:22. > :17:32.qualified teachers were first raised in a notice of motion before
:17:32. > :17:33.
:17:33. > :17:38.the assembly, and now we're here once again debating this issue.
:17:38. > :17:43.to recalled that the be its and the one think that they defined
:17:43. > :17:48.remarkable is that since four years ago the situation with regard to
:17:48. > :17:55.recruitment of new teachers is getting worse. Two years ago it was
:17:55. > :18:00.sitting up 14 % who found implement straight away, last year it was 10
:18:00. > :18:05.%. This year it is 5%. Whilst I agree with you that we are having a
:18:05. > :18:08.Groundhog Day Today, it is unfortunately now far worse for
:18:08. > :18:12.those who have gone through the teacher training this year then it
:18:12. > :18:16.was four years ago, which I think you will agree with the is
:18:16. > :18:22.regrettable. A we will have to look shortly of the merger of
:18:22. > :18:25.Stranmillis and Queen's, for my money we have to bite the bullet
:18:25. > :18:31.and the cats in Aires as well. We are producing too many teachers
:18:32. > :18:38.with not enough jobs. The minister should take the decision and manage
:18:38. > :18:42.the labour supply of our teachers. The reality is that there are many
:18:42. > :18:46.principles and when the need a substitute teacher they ring up a
:18:46. > :18:51.former teacher. The ring of somebody with the experience which
:18:51. > :18:55.perpetuates itself. But we are not going to give these young teacher
:18:55. > :19:01.to chance to get started, they will never be able to get into the
:19:01. > :19:09.system. That is the human tragedy of this. Young teachers are being
:19:09. > :19:14.overlooked for these temporary posts. Many school principals are
:19:14. > :19:17.taking the easy way out. I have friends to a retired teachers and I
:19:17. > :19:23.have said to them you're keeping a young person I do the job. But is
:19:23. > :19:27.something we have to face up to. I call on the department to visit to
:19:27. > :19:36.this. I know some guidelines have been issued, but they are being
:19:36. > :19:41.ignored. My department has a reducing guidance out to schools.
:19:41. > :19:48.We have changed the current funding formula which means that schools
:19:48. > :19:51.will meet the cost of debt. There are members of the education
:19:52. > :19:59.committee wanting to change that. They see it as a burden on the
:19:59. > :20:09.schools. You can have it both ways. We can only do it through
:20:09. > :20:10.
:20:10. > :20:16.legislation, or through taxation. We have insureds that schools are
:20:16. > :20:20.being on a church on how they employ staff, and I would encourage
:20:20. > :20:24.any member of the Assembly who is a member of the board of governors to
:20:24. > :20:30.use their influence when it comes to new employment matters but they
:20:30. > :20:33.insist that the board of governors at here to the guidance and insist
:20:33. > :20:40.that the boards of governors give a chance to newly-qualified teachers.
:20:40. > :20:45.Abbott also say that in terms of the Reporting Scotland, I am aware
:20:45. > :20:51.that Scotland has provided a year's for newly-qualified teachers. It
:20:51. > :20:54.has been costed and will cost us �20 million a year. It is carried
:20:54. > :21:02.the been reviewed by the Scottish Executive. I have asked my
:21:02. > :21:06.officials to monitor the situation and report back to me. If there are
:21:06. > :21:10.favourable recommendations coming out of that, I can assure you I
:21:10. > :21:14.will bring it to the attention of the committee and to the executive
:21:14. > :21:24.to fund any opportunity to ensure our newly qualified teachers are
:21:24. > :21:27.
:21:27. > :21:32.Where does your union's stand on that a merger? We have not made a
:21:32. > :21:37.decision formally on that. If there is one college, then we will look
:21:37. > :21:46.at those proposals. Ultimately, the education training colleges need to
:21:46. > :21:50.meet -- make the needs of the schools in Northern Ireland.
:21:50. > :21:55.you minded towards supporting a merger? Put in Chile it will save
:21:55. > :22:03.money. It may save money, but ultimately, the it training
:22:03. > :22:08.colleges did to deliver what is needed by the schools. If we lose
:22:08. > :22:12.expertise or jobs, then there may be issues. Would like to see what
:22:12. > :22:21.the proposals are in detail before we would comment on those
:22:21. > :22:23.specifically. Thank you. 21 very brave MLAs have signed up
:22:23. > :22:26.to an eight-week programme to lose weight and improve their lifestyles.
:22:26. > :22:31.They agreed to be measured and weighed in return for advice on
:22:31. > :22:34.shedding a few pounds. It is part of a wider drive to get us all to
:22:34. > :22:40.think a bit more about our health. One of the brave souls, the DUP's
:22:40. > :22:45.Jim Wells is here now. You were very brave indeed to allow yourself
:22:45. > :22:50.to be weighed and measured in public. We are, I think, but I
:22:50. > :22:54.think we will need the spotlight of the media to embarrass us and
:22:54. > :22:58.forces into losing weight and getting fatter. This is a very
:22:58. > :23:04.useful program that not only makes us healthier but highlights obesity
:23:04. > :23:09.and its impact on people's health. You do not look as if you need to
:23:09. > :23:17.was a few Pounds. Unfortunately, when the tape measure came out, it
:23:17. > :23:26.revealed that I have a 45 inch waste. I am probably the right
:23:26. > :23:31.weight, but that is all on the wrong place. It is all around my
:23:31. > :23:35.stomach. That has an impact on vital organs. This that the sticks
:23:35. > :23:45.are clear that the heavier you are around the waist, the more
:23:45. > :23:45.
:23:46. > :23:51.vulnerable you are to illness. is easier said than done, isn't it,
:23:51. > :23:55.to put the chips and chocolate away and go for the fruit and vegetables.
:23:55. > :24:01.I think what the team have shown has already is that it does not
:24:01. > :24:06.have to be a miserable experience. If you eat well and eat properly,
:24:06. > :24:15.you will have some success. They are asking us to do two hours of
:24:15. > :24:21.exercise a day. That means that if he were doing that, that is a bit
:24:21. > :24:31.of exercise. Our problem is that we spend the but majority of a ten
:24:31. > :24:33.
:24:33. > :24:38.minutes dented the position. -- in her sitting position. Are bowls of
:24:38. > :24:44.fruit part of this drive? Yes, that there is a step in the right
:24:44. > :24:48.direction. The caterers here are good at offering good, nutritional
:24:48. > :24:52.and the vegetarian option. The problem is that we spent 90% over
:24:52. > :24:56.time sitting us we are now and not getting any exercise. The results
:24:56. > :25:02.are inevitable and it gathers round the waist and that is dangerous.
:25:02. > :25:05.Good luck with it. Martin McGuinness handed in his
:25:05. > :25:09.nomination papers today for the Irish Presidency. And he is not the
:25:09. > :25:15.only MLA heading south. For that and the other goings-on at Stormont
:25:15. > :25:23.today, I spoke to our political editor Mark Devenport.
:25:23. > :25:31.Jim Allister felt there was an attempt to silence him. Yes. It was
:25:31. > :25:35.more notable for a question not being asked than being asked. The
:25:35. > :25:40.question is whether the officer First Minister needed aid adviser.
:25:40. > :25:43.He was re-routed because his question was directed instead to
:25:43. > :25:50.the finance departments, against his wishes. This is something that
:25:50. > :25:58.he objected to. I direct you to the content of question three. It is
:25:58. > :26:03.Department specific, it relates precisely and asking why they need
:26:03. > :26:06.eight special advisers. Why, in those circumstances, is this
:26:06. > :26:12.question been diverted to a different department, particularly
:26:12. > :26:17.when one examines that rules and can find no authority for that. I
:26:18. > :26:22.have taken the trouble of consulting the business of us.
:26:22. > :26:29.concern is that this is a conspiracy. It comes after an been
:26:29. > :26:33.not called to speak on the debate today. He thinks that the powers
:26:33. > :26:37.that be here are simply growing tired of him making his voice of
:26:37. > :26:44.constant opposition heard. Despite what was said yesterday about
:26:44. > :26:48.business as usual for the Assembly, it was not quite that way. Where he
:26:48. > :26:54.may have many talents, he cannot spot himself and be in two places
:26:54. > :26:59.at once. There had been due to be a meeting of party leaders happening
:26:59. > :27:02.today, walking presumably on incomes like the programme for
:27:02. > :27:07.government, but that had to be recruited as well, largely because
:27:07. > :27:11.Mr O'Dowd was dealing with an education debate and that is the
:27:11. > :27:15.kind of by the clash that they will have to try and work out if they
:27:15. > :27:22.are going to proceed smoothly over the next six weeks. And even more
:27:22. > :27:26.MLAs are on the move now. Yes, we were reporting last night about
:27:26. > :27:32.MLAs from the Regional Development Committee going off to examine a
:27:32. > :27:37.bus way. Perhaps while they are there they can look at the French
:27:37. > :27:42.way of solving Protestant afoot was back in the 16th century. Whilst
:27:42. > :27:45.they were off to France, the had various agricultural minded MLAs
:27:45. > :27:50.from the agriculture committee planning a completely different
:27:50. > :27:55.furrow. They were at the ploughing Championships at Kildare. It may be
:27:55. > :28:05.hard over the next couple of days to find and Emily still month --
:28:05. > :28:09.
:28:09. > :28:11.still around the place. -- MLA. There are lots of other questions
:28:11. > :28:15.facing her system rather have done the newly qualified teachers.
:28:15. > :28:19.are trying to work through the strategic forum to try and come up
:28:19. > :28:27.with solutions. Interestingly, in relation to the newly qualified
:28:27. > :28:30.teachers, is to say that if we propose to the teacher -- the
:28:30. > :28:38.Minister when he looks at newly qualified teachers, perhaps it
:28:38. > :28:47.might be right that the voluntary sector employed people in a nursery
:28:47. > :28:53.education. Also it would look at the picture of employing lecturers
:28:53. > :28:56.and keeping newly qualified teachers from obtaining post.
:28:56. > :29:00.that an anchovy by Abel? Normally people in that sector did bid
:29:00. > :29:06.substantially less. When you look at the cost, newly qualified
:29:06. > :29:13.teachers are not that much more expensive. We are asking the
:29:13. > :29:17.Minister to look again and instead of giving teachers, give it newly
:29:17. > :29:21.qualified teachers employment and not just leave it that we have to