:00:24. > :00:26.Hello and welcome to Stormont Today. Coming up on the programme: An
:00:26. > :00:36.exemption for schools from fair employment legislation faces fresh
:00:36. > :00:40.opposition from both Unionists and Sinn Fein. How can the any
:00:40. > :00:45.political party that claims to be committed to equality, be content
:00:45. > :00:50.to oversee what is an overt discrimination in how our teachers
:00:50. > :00:57.are recruited? Why is Alex Attwood coming to the defence of the public
:00:57. > :01:02.sector? There are Many services better delivered by a private
:01:03. > :01:06.organisations. -- public organisations. And Mark Simpson
:01:06. > :01:10.joins us with his thoughts on the big political stories of the day.
:01:10. > :01:14.All that and more coming up on tonight's programme - but first I'm
:01:14. > :01:17.joined by our correspondent, Mark Simpson. This time last week we
:01:17. > :01:24.were discussing a growing sense of crisis within the Executive - but
:01:24. > :01:30.at the start of a new week, the foundations haven't moved at all.
:01:30. > :01:34.No. Sometimes you look at the DUP and Sinn Fein and they remind you
:01:34. > :01:40.of an old married couple. They fight all the time yet still stay
:01:40. > :01:47.together. Crisis, what crisis? This time last week we were talking
:01:47. > :01:50.about relations being at an all- time low. A week later, there has
:01:50. > :01:58.been a clear the air of meeting between Martin McGuinness and Peter
:01:58. > :02:01.Robinson. If proof were needed, it is pretty firm. At the tail end of
:02:01. > :02:05.last week, there was disagreement over the Maze project, even though
:02:05. > :02:13.it was granted planning permission. Yes, this is going to be one of
:02:13. > :02:17.their next tests. I think this could go to the door of Martin
:02:17. > :02:22.McGuinness. The details, at the fixtures and fittings, who is going
:02:22. > :02:31.to be the tour guide around the age Block, that negotiation has still
:02:31. > :02:34.got to be held. My indication is it my right go to the top. This is all
:02:34. > :02:38.about dealing with the past, of course - and today there was a
:02:38. > :02:42.contribution to the debate from the Progressive Unionist Party. Yes. We
:02:42. > :02:46.have been here before. Another initiative, another attempt to get
:02:46. > :02:51.something sorted out in terms of dealing with 30, 40 years of
:02:51. > :02:56.conflict. As the Bulls when you talk to parties, you get somebody
:02:56. > :03:02.within all of the party's who say that if the deal with the past, you
:03:02. > :03:08.are condemned to live in it. -- parties. The DUP have been talking
:03:08. > :03:12.about her new initiative, a truth commission, something to look at
:03:12. > :03:17.what happened here. There are indications that loyalists and
:03:17. > :03:20.Republicans have been talking. When we talked to John Kyle earlier, we
:03:20. > :03:26.asked and the extent of those contacts between Republicans and
:03:26. > :03:30.loyalists. Conversations have been going on since the days of Long
:03:30. > :03:35.Kesh. There has been the dialogue and debate taking place between
:03:35. > :03:39.republicanism and loyalism over many years. Within society at large,
:03:39. > :03:45.the question of giving with the past has really just dropped off
:03:45. > :03:52.the agenda. -- dealing with the past. While we're prepared to talk
:03:52. > :03:56.to anybody wants to talk to us, what we say is that it needs to be
:03:56. > :04:00.broader than just loyalism and republicanism. It needs to be owned
:04:00. > :04:05.by the society as a whole. PUP's John Kyle. And shared
:04:06. > :04:09.education was also an issue that was on the agenda today. Another
:04:09. > :04:15.big issue which really has not been dealt with in terms of the two
:04:15. > :04:20.biggest parties, Sinn Fein and the DUP, coming to some sort of
:04:20. > :04:29.agreement and overall education policy, whether it is transferred
:04:29. > :04:32.tests or shared education. That has been the problem with this report.
:04:32. > :04:37.Recommendations about bringing Catholics and Protestants together
:04:37. > :04:40.in school. It also raised the issue of what should happen in terms of
:04:40. > :04:47.bringing people from all sides of the community in terms of the
:04:47. > :04:52.social divide, together again. The pitch did get a little bit weird.
:04:52. > :04:57.Education, there has been a bit of a stand-off between the parties.
:04:57. > :05:00.Today people are at last talking about education again. Thank you
:05:00. > :05:02.for now, Mark. We'll hear more from you later in the programme. The
:05:03. > :05:05.long-standing exemption for schools from aspects of fair employment
:05:05. > :05:08.legislation is discriminatory and should be abolished, the Assembly
:05:08. > :05:11.heard this afternoon. The exemption has been used by the Catholic
:05:11. > :05:14.Maintained Sector to require teachers to have a special
:05:14. > :05:17.religious education certificate to work in its schools. An Ulster
:05:17. > :05:20.Unionist motion calling for its removal was backed by the DUP, Sinn
:05:20. > :05:30.Fein and Alliance - leaving the SDLP as the only main party in
:05:30. > :05:31.
:05:31. > :05:35.disagreement. This motion should not be something that it conjures
:05:35. > :05:41.up via or suspicion. It should be an issue that truly unites this
:05:41. > :05:47.house. How can any political party that claims to be committed to
:05:47. > :05:53.equality, be content to oversee what is an over discrimination in
:05:53. > :05:59.how teachers are recruited? They cannot. It would be rank hypocrisy.
:05:59. > :06:04.Mr Speaker, to provide a very quick background to this debate, in order
:06:04. > :06:09.to apply for teaching posts in Catholic maintained nursery and
:06:09. > :06:14.primary schools, applicants must possess a recognised religious
:06:14. > :06:16.education certificate. This certificate is supposed to be sure
:06:16. > :06:20.that teachers in Catholic maintained schools have an
:06:20. > :06:25.understanding of the Church, its teaching and a way of life, to
:06:25. > :06:29.enable them to contribute to the maintenance of the ethos of the
:06:29. > :06:34.school, and to assist parents in educating their children in the
:06:34. > :06:39.faith according to the principles of Catholic education. That appears
:06:39. > :06:46.to be all very noble. But should every single primary school teacher
:06:46. > :06:52.in the maintained sector require it? The answer is clearly no. For
:06:52. > :06:55.many people, the requirement of primary-school teachers to all the
:06:55. > :07:01.certificate which effectively eliminates up to Haka of the
:07:01. > :07:06.potential workforce, would sound grossly discriminatory. And that is
:07:06. > :07:11.because it is. It was discriminatory within the PSNI and
:07:11. > :07:15.it is discriminatory within the education system. To anyone who
:07:15. > :07:21.says this is an attack of the ethos of Catholic schools, they are wrong.
:07:21. > :07:25.I am well aware of the important role that premier school teachers
:07:25. > :07:30.play. The commune, for instance, and the excellent education
:07:30. > :07:39.throughout. -- the communion. I do propose that some protection
:07:39. > :07:45.remains in plays. In my amendments to the Education Bill I propose up
:07:45. > :07:51.to 20% of teaching jobs, the teaching of religion in various
:07:52. > :07:56.ways. This one in five will be similar to the case in England.
:07:56. > :08:01.While some parties may talk a good game on the vision for a single
:08:01. > :08:04.education system, the fact that the DUP leader or any of the other
:08:04. > :08:14.three executive leaders could not be bothered to read and respond to
:08:14. > :08:14.
:08:14. > :08:22.this debate, shows how insincere they are Willie Halve. -- they
:08:22. > :08:30.really are. The Education Minister should realise that his silence on
:08:30. > :08:33.this issue is the equivalent of his compliance. It is totally
:08:33. > :08:39.unacceptable that any organisation is allowed to discriminate in the
:08:39. > :08:46.way in which this practice has been going on for the last 40 years.
:08:46. > :08:51.Let's try not to dress it up. Let's not try and hide it. What is at the
:08:51. > :08:57.core of this? At the core of this is one sector that once took, by
:08:57. > :09:01.all means and methods, ensure that it protects its own sector. I speak
:09:01. > :09:05.in support of the motion. I am delighted that the Ulster Unionist
:09:05. > :09:10.Party has finally seen fit to introduce terms like equality and
:09:10. > :09:14.equal opportunity into their educational discourse. The recent
:09:14. > :09:19.decision to formally amend this current policy, that all teachers
:09:19. > :09:22.seeking appointment to Catholic maintained primary schools must
:09:22. > :09:27.halt his certificate in teaching Catholic Education, is to be
:09:27. > :09:30.welcomed. This amendment now enables all teachers irrespective
:09:30. > :09:37.of their background, to be considered for Catholic maintained
:09:37. > :09:41.schools, subject to a commitment. Given that this House has examined
:09:41. > :09:51.the future cohesion of the excess of -- education system, perhaps
:09:51. > :09:54.
:09:55. > :09:59.today's Mohsin is important -- motion.... I do think it is
:09:59. > :10:03.salience to stress that a any proposed repeal will not be the
:10:03. > :10:08.silver but some believe it may be in a dress in the ongoing legacy of
:10:08. > :10:13.the sectoral education system or any poll rise workforce. Sinn Fein
:10:13. > :10:17.do not propose the continuation. We would call upon the Education
:10:17. > :10:21.Minister to take forward proposals under article 71 of the fair
:10:21. > :10:26.employment and treatment order following the features Dabbers and
:10:26. > :10:29.of the education and schools of the Mac. The SDLP a strong advocate of
:10:29. > :10:32.parental choice when it comes to school. Equally we want student
:10:32. > :10:38.teachers to be able to apply for jobs in the full range of
:10:38. > :10:41.educational sectors, whether it be Catholic, controlled etc. The
:10:41. > :10:45.certificate in religious education was never designed to be exclusive
:10:45. > :10:55.ticket to employment or to exclude talented teachers. The Catholic
:10:55. > :11:02.
:11:02. > :11:07.maintained sector... In addition, at primary level sacramental
:11:07. > :11:14.preparation is an important part of religious education. The sacrament
:11:14. > :11:19.of reconciliation at Holy Communion Taarabt two stages. I believe it is
:11:19. > :11:23.a positive step to encourage those students if it enhances their
:11:23. > :11:26.profile and bodies their choices when it comes to applying for work.
:11:26. > :11:30.Our goal as the assembly must be to ensure their children across the
:11:30. > :11:37.North have access to a first-rate education system and our teachers
:11:37. > :11:42.are equipped to deal with a diverse range of pupils in one of Herceptin.
:11:42. > :11:51.Hits the SDLP will not be subordinates Mohsan. -- hence the
:11:51. > :11:54.The SDLP MLA Sean Rogers. And Mr Rogers is with me now in the studio
:11:54. > :11:56.along with the Ulster Unionist Party member, Jeff Dudgeon, who's
:11:56. > :12:04.been heavily involved in the campaign to have the legislation
:12:04. > :12:09.changed. You are both very welcome. Apart from the SDLP, all the other
:12:09. > :12:14.main parties got behind this motion today. How significant was that?
:12:14. > :12:20.think it was a dramatic moment. To some extent it was not expected
:12:20. > :12:28.that there would be almost unanimity. It is 35 years old. It
:12:28. > :12:31.is time that the teachers were not exempted from firms. As long as
:12:31. > :12:37.were backed by every party, including Sinn Fein. Were you
:12:37. > :12:44.surprised? We were not expecting it, to be asked. I thought it would be
:12:44. > :12:52.I had no way job. And the DUP, who backed the thing, had tried to
:12:52. > :12:59.amend it. They suggested it was a matter for DUP and Sinn Fein to
:12:59. > :13:06.decide privately. Sean Rogers, the SDLP has put itself out on a limb,
:13:06. > :13:11.hasn't it? The SDLP, parental preferences very important to the
:13:11. > :13:15.SDLP. There is a large demand for Catholic Education, particularly
:13:15. > :13:19.primary education. And we need to have teachers properly trained to
:13:19. > :13:22.teach in Catholic schools, particularly primary schools.
:13:22. > :13:28.is no suggestion that teachers about the certificate and not
:13:28. > :13:31.properly trained? Yes, but it is one very important area. It is not
:13:31. > :13:36.just the subject of religious education, it is about the
:13:36. > :13:46.Christian ethos, sacramental preparation. In terms of sacrament
:13:46. > :14:08.
:14:08. > :14:15.preparation, there important years for new teachers. The exception
:14:15. > :14:20.applies to every school and every teacher in Northern Ireland. So
:14:20. > :14:24.every school will have to adjust their activities and their
:14:24. > :14:28.appointment processes. Is that 20% exemption not acceptable? We didn't
:14:28. > :14:34.know anything about the 20% until the debate today. You know about it
:14:34. > :14:39.now? I know. We will consider it carefully. You have to think in
:14:39. > :14:44.small primary schools where you have two or three teachers, the 20% rule
:14:44. > :14:51.wouldn't be useful. The problem for your party is if the SDLP says it is
:14:51. > :14:57.interested in equality and fairness, you look like you are supporting an
:14:57. > :15:03.anomaly in fair employment law? want equality in terms of what our
:15:03. > :15:09.parents want for primary schools. Others would say if you want
:15:09. > :15:14.equality, you should be supporting this? I would like to see greater
:15:14. > :15:17.access for this certificate, that students shouldn't have to do it by
:15:17. > :15:22.distant learning. That is the equality in terms of our students
:15:22. > :15:26.when they are doing their A-levels. If they want employment in a
:15:26. > :15:31.Catholic primary school, they need to have the certificate. That is the
:15:31. > :15:37.type of equality I want. Do you not accept that Sean Rogers has a point,
:15:37. > :15:46.that this is very important? Well, it is true also in controlled
:15:46. > :15:54.schools. The law applies to them. It is not a Catholic law. It is unique
:15:54. > :16:01.in Europe. Not a single country in the 27 members of the EU need that
:16:01. > :16:09.exception. OK. It is an interesting one. We will see how it turns out.
:16:09. > :16:11.Thank you both very much for coming in. Now, three long-running issues
:16:11. > :16:15.raised their heads again during First and Deputy First Minister's
:16:15. > :16:19.Questions in the Assembly today. The investigation into the Magdalene
:16:19. > :16:25.laundries, the jond going struggle to have corporation tax devolved and
:16:25. > :16:30.what is being done to encourage economic growth were all discussed.
:16:30. > :16:37.The Junior Minister answered questions on the inquiry. We are
:16:37. > :16:41.mindful of the pain suffered by many individuals who were resident in the
:16:41. > :16:48.Magdalene laundry type institutions here. We sympathise greatly with the
:16:48. > :16:55.plight of all who have experienced abuse. Anyone with any information
:16:55. > :17:03.on any abuse of any kind should report it to the PSNI and to social
:17:03. > :17:11.services for investigation. Anyone who was resident here within the
:17:11. > :17:17.Magdalene laundries, or similar institutions as a child between 1922
:17:17. > :17:20.and 1995 can go forward to the inquiry into historical
:17:21. > :17:27.institutional abuse to relate their experiences. They will be able to
:17:27. > :17:33.talk in private about their experiences to two members of the
:17:33. > :17:42.inquiry's acknowledgement forum and contact details for the inquiry are
:17:42. > :17:45.available on its website. Can the Junior Minister outline how many
:17:45. > :17:48.people have come forward to date? The inquiry and investigation is
:17:48. > :17:54.independent of office of First Minister and Deputy First Minister.
:17:54. > :17:58.I know the work has been continuing. Many people have already been to see
:17:58. > :18:03.the acknowledgement forum and have had the opportunity to tell their
:18:03. > :18:07.experiences. In addition, I understand 240 people have come
:18:07. > :18:14.forward with complaints to the inquiry and these are being
:18:14. > :18:21.currently addressed and looked at to identify locations and the systemic
:18:21. > :18:25.similarities. We met with the Prime Minister on 26th March to discuss
:18:25. > :18:29.devolution of corporation tax powers to the Executive. The Prime Minister
:18:29. > :18:34.indicated that no decision on this would be made until the autumn of
:18:34. > :18:38.2014. You will already be aware of our considerable disappointment that
:18:38. > :18:43.a decision on the devolution of these powers has been deferred. We
:18:43. > :18:46.briefed the Executive on our discussions on 28th March and our
:18:46. > :18:51.disappointment was reiterated and shared by every member of the
:18:51. > :18:57.Executive. This was not unexpected but it is regrettable and will delay
:18:57. > :19:00.our efforts to rebalance the local economy. Our meeting was adjourned
:19:00. > :19:05.so consideration could be given to an economic package for Northern
:19:05. > :19:09.Ireland. The aim would be to assist our economy through encouraging
:19:09. > :19:12.private sector growth. We are presently working with the United
:19:12. > :19:17.Kingdom Government on the details of this economic package which would
:19:17. > :19:20.use the economic levers open to the Northern Ireland Executive and the
:19:20. > :19:24.UK Government. We would hope to be able to resume our meeting with the
:19:24. > :19:31.Prime Minister and agree a formal package in the coming weeks. As far
:19:31. > :19:35.as the announcement that they would take a decision by 2014, we want to
:19:35. > :19:43.be clear that not only will a decision be taken in the autumn of
:19:43. > :19:46.2014, but that it is capable of being implemented and legislated for
:19:46. > :19:50.before they entered that parliamentary term. The Executive
:19:50. > :19:59.has taken the important step of making the economy a top priority in
:19:59. > :20:07.its programme for Government. We are committed to growing a sustainable
:20:07. > :20:11.economy and and investing in the future. We must rebuild the labour
:20:11. > :20:14.market and rebalance the economy to improve the wealth and living
:20:14. > :20:19.standards of everyone. Our programme for Government sets out the main
:20:19. > :20:24.actions. We are committed to increasing the number of jobs,
:20:24. > :20:29.increasing value of exports, increasing research and development,
:20:29. > :20:34.providing rate relief, eliminating IPD, investing in social enterprise
:20:34. > :20:39.growth, supporting creative industries, regenerating former
:20:39. > :20:44.military sites, supporting business, improving skills attracting tourism,
:20:44. > :20:49.increasing uptake in stem subjects and implementing a strategy to
:20:49. > :20:53.address economic in activity. First Minister. The Environment
:20:53. > :20:58.Minister has given his early assessment of the success of the new
:20:59. > :21:03.plastic bag levy. Mr Attwood said the feedback he's received from
:21:03. > :21:12.retailers has been positive so far. Before that, he outlined how the
:21:12. > :21:17.extra revenue will be used. When the single use plastic bag levy was
:21:17. > :21:26.introduced, the administrative costs, which will be around �600,000
:21:26. > :21:32.a year, with those jobs being located in the city of Derry, the
:21:32. > :21:39.residue monies that come in will go to environmental causes and what
:21:39. > :21:45.will they be? My ambition will be to have a river restoration fund. That
:21:45. > :21:52.will be a sustainability and innovation fund and more money to
:21:52. > :21:58.rethink waste. As a levy, 80% of the money will go out in terms of
:21:58. > :22:03.intervention to support the economy, especially at community levels.
:22:04. > :22:10.there any suggestion that proposed savings that the administration
:22:10. > :22:18.costs would be for the single-use bag levy? Well, there was a
:22:18. > :22:22.suggestion within the department initially that the management of the
:22:22. > :22:26.single-use bag levy should be administered by a third party
:22:26. > :22:33.private organisation. I proposed that proposal. Why? The costs would
:22:33. > :22:36.have been significantly more. There are many services better delivered
:22:36. > :22:41.by public organisations than private organisations. People should not
:22:41. > :22:50.embrace the private when there is a better public model. There is a
:22:50. > :22:54.better public model when it comes to the carrier bag levy. The costs of
:22:54. > :23:02.�600,000 a year, given the environmental benefits of this
:23:02. > :23:05.proposal, and given the small income streams that will go back to the
:23:05. > :23:11.environmental organisations. I don't think that that is a highly
:23:11. > :23:21.significant amount of money for bringing about a highly significant
:23:21. > :23:22.
:23:22. > :23:29.change in environmental practice. Thank you. Early as it may be on
:23:29. > :23:35.feedback, whether it be positive or otherwise, have you had any feedback
:23:35. > :23:39.at all from the shop owners? Yes, I have, of course. I have had feedback
:23:39. > :23:43.and I think more and more that the retail industry is more and more
:23:43. > :23:51.recognising that this was the right time for this right measure. My
:23:51. > :23:57.sense, very strongly, is that the citizens and the consumer were well
:23:57. > :24:02.ahead of where some of the politics and the law was in this regard, that
:24:02. > :24:07.people had been conditioned by the plastic bag levy in the Republic of
:24:07. > :24:10.Ireland to begin to adjust their behaviour. There has been
:24:10. > :24:18.enthusiastic welcoming and embrace for the levy in the North from the
:24:18. > :24:23.consumers. Yes, there were some questions raised in respect of the
:24:23. > :24:29.business side. (A), because we were innovative of how we rolled this out
:24:29. > :24:34.and (b) because there were some very good business leaders who said the
:24:34. > :24:40.Northern Ireland Association of Small news agencies said - this is
:24:40. > :24:44.nearly verbatim - said this would reduce costs to the local newsagent
:24:44. > :24:50.without having any disproportionate increase in terms of the management
:24:50. > :24:53.and bureaucracy. That was a wise - those were wise words and that has
:24:53. > :24:57.been widely recognised. Environment Minister had a busy
:24:57. > :25:02.afternoon. He remained on his feet to deliver a statement on local
:25:02. > :25:08.government reform. It's been years in the making. When can we expect
:25:08. > :25:10.change to happen? The reform is one of the fundamental building blocks
:25:10. > :25:15.of streamlining public administration, a process started
:25:15. > :25:18.some years ago. It has produced change in the administration of the
:25:18. > :25:23.health sector and the education sector is also under going major
:25:23. > :25:29.change. I believe Northern Ireland does reform well, even if too slowly
:25:29. > :25:33.and in some places, with reluctance. The local government reform
:25:33. > :25:39.programme is arguably the most complex policy issue before the
:25:39. > :25:44.Assembly today. As I indicated in Question Time, whilst there have
:25:44. > :25:49.been many examples where the number of councils may have been reduced in
:25:49. > :25:54.a jurisdiction, it is not often the case that at the same time as
:25:54. > :25:57.merging councils you have the transfer of significant function.
:25:57. > :26:01.After extended negotiations, I can report that on 11th April the
:26:01. > :26:09.Executive agreed a package of functions which will transfer
:26:09. > :26:19.through to legal councils. -- to 11 councils. My own department will
:26:19. > :26:20.
:26:20. > :26:25.transfer local operational planning. DRD is transferring off-street
:26:25. > :26:33.parking except park-and-ride. DSD is transferring the following areas of
:26:33. > :26:40.urban regeneration. Functions associated with physical development
:26:40. > :26:47.- and members will note the statement issued by the DSD Minister
:26:47. > :26:50.in that regard today. Some community development programmes for the
:26:50. > :26:54.voluntary and community sector. Now the package of functions is agreed,
:26:54. > :26:57.it is important we move to confirm the number of staff transferring and
:26:57. > :27:01.the quantum of funding. In confirming these details, the
:27:01. > :27:05.Minister will have regard to the principle agreed by the previous
:27:05. > :27:08.Executive. Functions without transfer from central to local
:27:08. > :27:14.government should be fit for purpose, sufficiently funded and
:27:14. > :27:24.cost neutral to the ratepayer at the point of transfer. The recent
:27:24. > :27:25.
:27:25. > :27:33.Executive funding decision means council through low interest loans
:27:33. > :27:37.can help ensure reform is fully-funded. Mark Simpson is here
:27:37. > :27:41.with a few final thoughts. The new Principal Deputy Speaker Mitchel
:27:41. > :27:48.McLaughlin was in the chair for that debate? It was always going to
:27:48. > :27:52.happen. Mitchel McLaughlin was always going to become a speaker of
:27:52. > :27:59.some sort. For those of us that covered the peace process
:27:59. > :28:05.negotiations here at Stormont, he was always seen by Sinn Fein as Mr
:28:05. > :28:09.Safe Pair of Hands. When something controversial was going on, they
:28:09. > :28:15.would send Mitchel McLaughlin out, rather than Gerry Adams or Martin
:28:15. > :28:22.McGuinness. He was seen as the night watchman. When we looked at Mitchel
:28:22. > :28:28.McLaughlin in those days, we knew he wouldn't be a Minister - he was des
:28:28. > :28:32.tinned for the Speaker's -- destined for the Speaker's chair. A lot of
:28:32. > :28:36.people were surprised when ever that was mentioned last week, his age.
:28:36. > :28:39.This was your first day following proceedings specifically in the
:28:40. > :28:45.Chamber for quite some time. How do you think proceedings compare to
:28:45. > :28:52.what they were like a decade-and-a-half ago? One thing has
:28:52. > :28:56.changed. Even when I was here in the days of David Trimble as First
:28:56. > :29:00.Minister, there was always this issue with the Chamber not being
:29:00. > :29:05.lively enough, not making enough news, not being as topical as it
:29:05. > :29:10.could be. That is still a problem. The one thing that I have noticed is
:29:10. > :29:14.the barriers coming down between the parties. Somebody said to me the day
:29:14. > :29:18.power-sharing started, "We don't need to like each other to work with
:29:18. > :29:21.each other." I'm detecting more across the big divide people in
:29:21. > :29:27.different parties are starting to like each other. It is nice to have