:00:24. > :00:29.Hello and welcome to Stormont Today. Coming up on the programme: The
:00:30. > :00:34.Enterprise Minister promises to help those made redundant by the closure
:00:35. > :00:38.of a Dungiven company. We will do all that we can to support them, of
:00:39. > :00:42.course, and to assist them in relation to either finding a job or
:00:43. > :00:49.indeed starting their own business and we will do that through Invest
:00:50. > :00:52.NI. Martin McGuinness says he believes the United States
:00:53. > :00:54.government still has faith in the Richard Haass proposals. There can
:00:55. > :01:00.be no doubt whatsoever that the United States of America remains
:01:01. > :01:03.very engaged in this work. And I'm joined by our Political Reporter,
:01:04. > :01:09.Stephen Walker, for his view on today's proceedings.
:01:10. > :01:14.Friday's dramatic news of 202 job losses in Dungiven was the subject
:01:15. > :01:19.of an urgent oral question in the chamber today. KPL Contracts went
:01:20. > :01:23.into administration and the local Sinn Fein MLA, Cathal O hOisin, said
:01:24. > :01:27.that was a massive blow for the area. He asked the Enterprise, Trade
:01:28. > :01:32.and Investment Minister what will be done to help those affected. A
:01:33. > :01:39.redundancy clinic has been organised for 2.00pm on Wednesday, February
:01:40. > :01:45.26th at the Elk inn in too many bridge. Advice will be provided on
:01:46. > :01:48.entietedlements and business start-ups support for those who may
:01:49. > :01:51.be considering self-employment as an option. The news broke on Friday. I
:01:52. > :01:54.spoke to the administrator the a lunch time on Friday and again
:01:55. > :02:00.today. It would appear there is a considerable volume of work that is
:02:01. > :02:07.there with large employing bases and the minister has outlined them, such
:02:08. > :02:10.as DRD Road Service, NIE and BT. Will the minister have discussions
:02:11. > :02:14.with our executive colleague and others to ensure that if we have the
:02:15. > :02:18.skilled workbase there that can carry out the work that needs doing,
:02:19. > :02:22.the work still needs done, that some of these companies will be able to
:02:23. > :02:27.offer employment opportunities to the former employees of KPL? Well,
:02:28. > :02:31.certainly if there are companies looking for workers, they will find
:02:32. > :02:35.them with skills in abundance in relation to KPL. We will assist any
:02:36. > :02:40.companies that want to come forward to us and look for help in relation
:02:41. > :02:43.to job fund applications. I have had a brief opportunity to speak to my
:02:44. > :02:46.colleague, the DRD minister in relation to the matters. He is
:02:47. > :02:51.looking into this, as you would expect him to do, in terms of the
:02:52. > :02:54.agencies involved with KPL. I'm sure that's the case with the private
:02:55. > :02:59.companies as well, who have assured us they have contingencies in place
:03:00. > :03:02.in relation to customers. That's not the question we are talking about
:03:03. > :03:06.today. The question is in relation to those people who have found out
:03:07. > :03:09.they no longer have a job. We will do all we can to support them, of
:03:10. > :03:12.course and to assist them in relation to either finding a job or
:03:13. > :03:21.indeed starting their own business and we will do that through Invest
:03:22. > :03:24.NI. The Enterprise Minister, Arlene Foster, pledging her support for the
:03:25. > :03:26.KPL workers made redundant last week. The state of the
:03:27. > :03:28.Dungiven-based company was also mentioned during questions to the
:03:29. > :03:31.Deputy First Minister. Martin McGuinness also discussed the
:03:32. > :03:34.Maze/Long Kesh project, the Richard Haass proposals and, firstly, his
:03:35. > :03:41.visit with Peter Robinson to the US next month... On Monday, had 10th
:03:42. > :03:45.March we'll meet with HBO's President of Production and six
:03:46. > :03:50.other top executives. We met HBO in Los Angeles in 2000 the when we
:03:51. > :03:55.persuaded them to take a leap of faith and locate the production of
:03:56. > :03:58.the Game of Thrones series here. We'll support a charity at an
:03:59. > :04:02.evening event in Los Angeles that will include young people from
:04:03. > :04:08.disadvantaged backgrounds from here and LA. We will then travel to San
:04:09. > :04:13.Jose to meet with Seagate's seen area management team. Seagate
:04:14. > :04:17.technology, as you know is one of our most prestigious hi-tech
:04:18. > :04:20.companies whose fas nit Derry employs over 1,300 people. The
:04:21. > :04:24.company makes a major contribution to the economy of the north-west and
:04:25. > :04:28.this is our first opportunity to meet sap seagate's seen area
:04:29. > :04:32.management team at its US headquarters. We look forward to T
:04:33. > :04:38.we will host an investment luncheon for over 120 Silicon Valley business
:04:39. > :04:45.executives, to discuss the merits of doing business here. Later that day,
:04:46. > :04:50.we will travel to San Francisco to officiate at the official opening of
:04:51. > :04:56.Invest NI's new office on the west coast. Well, I absolutely agree with
:04:57. > :05:02.the member, the loss of 200 jobs through KPL's difficulties in Given
:05:03. > :05:06.is very very disappointing -- Dungiven. But in recent years we
:05:07. > :05:09.have become increasingly successful in attracting foreign direct
:05:10. > :05:12.investment. Foreign direct investment is very, very important
:05:13. > :05:16.but also, we understand the huge importance of our own indigenous
:05:17. > :05:20.businesses and the massive contribution they make towards
:05:21. > :05:28.employment. And that's why we are so disappointed that the collapse of K
:05:29. > :05:33.p. L. PL -- in the collapse of the the company in Dungiven that has
:05:34. > :05:38.left 200 people on the dole queue. Every effort will be made to make
:05:39. > :05:43.sure they get report. Will he be discussing the Haas process with
:05:44. > :05:47.political representatives, which I know might depend on getting an
:05:48. > :05:51.invited to the White House? Well, I don't think there is any possibility
:05:52. > :05:57.whatsoever of us travelling to the United States and not being the
:05:58. > :06:01.subject of a conversation around the whole issue of the Haas process,
:06:02. > :06:08.given that Richard Haas and Megan O'Sullivan are two highly
:06:09. > :06:12.represented diplomats and well-known on Capitol Hill. So, I think that
:06:13. > :06:18.there can be no doubt, whatsoever, that the United States of America
:06:19. > :06:22.remains very engaged in this work. Could I ask the Deputy First
:06:23. > :06:26.Minister, if, in the course of his forthcoming trip to the USA, he
:06:27. > :06:33.receives a serious business inquiry about a potential investment in the
:06:34. > :06:38.Maze site, what advice would he give that potential investor at the
:06:39. > :06:43.present time? Well, I don't have any doubts that the Maze Long Kesh site
:06:44. > :06:47.is a site of huge national and international importance. And, I
:06:48. > :06:52.have no doubt whatsoever that there are quite a number of businesses
:06:53. > :06:58.very interested in seeing that site developed. The Peace Centre was
:06:59. > :07:03.designed to be just that, a centre for peace and reconciliation. The
:07:04. > :07:09.only shrine at that centre will be a shrine to peace and reconciliation.
:07:10. > :07:14.And our Political Reporter, Stephen Walker, joins me now. Some familiar
:07:15. > :07:19.themes there. Let's start with the references to Richard Haas. Where
:07:20. > :07:23.are we, with that protest? Well, it is now the post-Haas world. Richard
:07:24. > :07:28.Haas was mentioned there but this process is now firmly in the control
:07:29. > :07:34.of the parties since the New Year. There have been a series of
:07:35. > :07:39.meetings, often on a weekly basis. They had discussions last week. I
:07:40. > :07:42.under understand there are more discussions to. They are called
:07:43. > :07:46.leaders plus one meetings. The documents floating around. The DUP
:07:47. > :07:49.and other parties have presented papers. Basically everybody knows
:07:50. > :07:53.everybody else's position but there is no sense that this process is
:07:54. > :07:58.moving towards an agreement. One revelation today, the cost of the
:07:59. > :08:06.Haas talks reported at around ?250,000. That doesn't include a fee
:08:07. > :08:10.because obviously Richard Haas and Megan O'Sullivan didn't charge one
:08:11. > :08:17.but that's the cost right up from last summer to New Year's Eve. The
:08:18. > :08:24.cost is ticking, it has been made that the Americans want the issue
:08:25. > :08:31.wrapped up by St Patrick's Day. He made them during an interview on the
:08:32. > :08:38.View, and he talked about a deal in St Patrick's day when Peter Robinson
:08:39. > :08:41.and Martin McGuinness are there. Nationalists are clearly hoping for
:08:42. > :08:45.it much the unionists have never accepted this. But as I said
:08:46. > :08:49.earlier, there no quugs, that the way the talks are going at the
:08:50. > :08:52.moment, that there would be any kind of agreement. So whilst that is one
:08:53. > :08:56.date in people's diry, the 17th March. I think what is clear is,
:08:57. > :09:01.people are thinking about other things further talk the track and
:09:02. > :09:06.particularly thinking about the local and European elections in May.
:09:07. > :09:09.We got flavour of that detail of the US trip that the First Minister and
:09:10. > :09:13.Deputy First Minister are planning in the middle of March. We got some
:09:14. > :09:17.detime. On these occasions they try to do this as an opportunity to have
:09:18. > :09:21.political meetings but they also try to use it as an opportunity to
:09:22. > :09:25.showcase Northern Ireland in the hope that there will be investment
:09:26. > :09:29.further down the track. Finally, we heard there, previously, the Maze
:09:30. > :09:33.development raising its head once again in the Chamber and all the
:09:34. > :09:36.controversy that brings with T Very familiar themes, if you think what
:09:37. > :09:39.we had today in Deputy First Minister's questions. Obviously a
:09:40. > :09:43.lot of discussion on the Haas talks. A lot of discussion about St
:09:44. > :09:46.Patrick's Day and all this comes surrounding the Maze when it was
:09:47. > :09:49.reported today that the ?18 million that was going to be used from
:09:50. > :09:54.European funding for the Maze project, reported today at one stage
:09:55. > :09:57.it was thought the money would be lost, but it is reported today that
:09:58. > :10:00.money could be channelled back. Clearly the parties cannot agree on
:10:01. > :10:05.what to do with the site. I think they would all agree they want the
:10:06. > :10:11.money to be used for something. But does that mean - effectively do we
:10:12. > :10:15.think the money will be lost to the Maze/Long Kesh vote. ? Well, we need
:10:16. > :10:19.to know what the detail is. But certainly the implication today was
:10:20. > :10:25.that money will still be made available for other projects.
:10:26. > :10:28.Thank you very much for now. The Social Development Minister was once
:10:29. > :10:31.again questioned on the alleged overcharging of Housing Executive
:10:32. > :10:34.contracts, with one MLA asking him if he would reconsider his position.
:10:35. > :10:38.Nelson McCausland was also asked about social housing. He started by
:10:39. > :10:41.giving figures showing there is equal unionist and nationalist
:10:42. > :10:47.housing need in North Belfast. The figures there speak for themselves.
:10:48. > :10:52.1,994 people from the protestant community, 1,988 from the Roman
:10:53. > :10:55.Catholic community. A difference of six.
:10:56. > :11:02.The a first I thought, Mr Speaker, that the minister was simply
:11:03. > :11:09.spinning, but now I believe the minister is also self-delusional in
:11:10. > :11:14.relation to housing in North Belfast but irrespective of whatever spin or
:11:15. > :11:21.self-delusion he indudges in, there is a basic need for housing in North
:11:22. > :11:27.Belfast. Will the minister properly address that need and urgently?
:11:28. > :11:31.Well, first of all, if I could deal with the member's point that I'm
:11:32. > :11:38.self-delusion self-delusional? The figures that I quote quoted were in
:11:39. > :11:42.fact produced by the Housing executive. They are not my figures.
:11:43. > :11:46.I didn't create them, I didn't write them. They were given to me this
:11:47. > :11:52.morning by the Housing Executive. Now, if the member thinks that the
:11:53. > :11:56.Housing Executive is delusional, that's his opinion, he is entitled
:11:57. > :11:59.to that. But he can not get around the fact that these are the figures.
:12:00. > :12:04.It may not be the figures he wants to hear, or the figures he heard in
:12:05. > :12:10.the past but they are the facts. From what the minister now knows,
:12:11. > :12:17.does he accept that his enthusiastic announcement of an ?18 million
:12:18. > :12:23.over-charge was a gross exaggeration, and did gross damage
:12:24. > :12:29.to contractors and their credit standing? Does he now accept that? I
:12:30. > :12:33.did not invent the figure of ?18 million in relation to the
:12:34. > :12:36.over-estimated -- the estimated over-payments to contractors. I was
:12:37. > :12:41.advised of the figure by the Chairman of the Board following a
:12:42. > :12:46.report to the Board of the Housing Executive in May 2013. The report
:12:47. > :12:51.estimated the sum of over-charging was in the region of ?9-13 million.
:12:52. > :12:55.I have already stated that will whilst that remained a substantial
:12:56. > :12:58.amount of tax payers' money, I was somewhat relieved that the level had
:12:59. > :13:01.slightly reduced. However, at the end of the day, I have already
:13:02. > :13:06.stated clearly this afternoon, we must all awhich the the outcome of
:13:07. > :13:10.the current negotiations and I am hopeful that we are coming to the
:13:11. > :13:15.point where those negotiations will be concluded and a settlement
:13:16. > :13:20.between the Housing Executive and the contractors will have been
:13:21. > :13:23.reached. Mr Speaker, the minister refuses to confirm that there wasn't
:13:24. > :13:26.a significant over-charge. Would he agree with the House in fact that
:13:27. > :13:30.there was significant under-charges and really at this stage, would the
:13:31. > :13:33.minister consider parking the ministerial car and perhaps giving
:13:34. > :13:38.the brief case to someone else? Over quite a number of years, the
:13:39. > :13:43.handling of contracts by the Housing Executive was really unacceptable.
:13:44. > :13:48.Management... Well, people ask the Minster was, indeed. That's a
:13:49. > :13:53.question that people might well ask. But it is important, anyway. THE
:13:54. > :14:00.SPEAKER: Order. He doesn't have a car to give up now.
:14:01. > :14:03.A Nelson McCausland in robust form, and once again talking about the
:14:04. > :14:06.Housing Executive. The Financial Provisions Bill was debated in the
:14:07. > :14:09.Chamber today and matters focused on the Small Business Rates Relief
:14:10. > :14:14.Scheme. Sinn Fein's Daithi McKay proposed a review of the scheme. The
:14:15. > :14:18.small business rates release scheme commenced in April 2010 and has been
:14:19. > :14:22.in operation for some fouriers and there has been some changes to it in
:14:23. > :14:28.that time, for example, the extension to properties with an NAV
:14:29. > :14:32.of up to ?15,000. It has been very much welcomed by small and
:14:33. > :14:37.medium-sized enterprises in particular, and many shops within
:14:38. > :14:40.our town centres and of course around 25,000 properties currently
:14:41. > :14:46.benefit from it at this moment in time. We are all in agreement that
:14:47. > :14:53.there needs to be a review and for that reason, I cannot see why anyone
:14:54. > :15:01.would object to this particular amendment. I think it is useful...
:15:02. > :15:08.Yes? I've listened to the acceptance by the Member and the proposer of
:15:09. > :15:12.the Motion that there has already been agreed to be a review. That was
:15:13. > :15:16.agreed by myself and current Minster. Why is such an amendment
:15:17. > :15:21.necessary then? Is it because the Member does not believe that such a
:15:22. > :15:26.review is going to make place? That he doubts the sincerity of the
:15:27. > :15:33.Minster, or is this simply to have an amendment of some sort down?
:15:34. > :15:36.Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. I thank the Member for that
:15:37. > :15:42.intervention. The Member should know by this stage that I take every word
:15:43. > :15:46.that comes out of his mouth as truth and would not dare, under any
:15:47. > :15:54.circumstances, to contradict him. But, it's always reassuring to have
:15:55. > :16:00.what is said underlined and underlined in legislation. An
:16:01. > :16:03.evaluation of the Small Business Rates Release Scheme will be
:16:04. > :16:07.undertaken by my department later this year. This intention has been
:16:08. > :16:12.made clear for sometime and has been made clear by my predecessor and by
:16:13. > :16:16.myself and has been made clear in this House and has been made very
:16:17. > :16:21.clear elsewhere as well. So, the very clear, stated position of two
:16:22. > :16:24.successive minsters of Financial and Personnel representing the
:16:25. > :16:28.department, has been that an evaluation will be carried out,
:16:29. > :16:33.because one needs to be carried out at that stage in the life of the
:16:34. > :16:39.Small Business Rates Release Scheme. If we cast our minds back. It has
:16:40. > :16:42.been accepted it is an incredibly successful scheme. It has been
:16:43. > :16:46.extended where half of all businesses in Northern Ireland are
:16:47. > :16:53.getting at least 20% off rates bill. We all agree it has been successful.
:16:54. > :16:56.The Finance Minister, Simon Hamilton, who had a busy day today,
:16:57. > :16:59.because a bill to give Government departments access to their funding
:17:00. > :17:02.passed its final stage. The Budget Bill has been fast-tracked through
:17:03. > :17:06.the Assembly and now simply requires Royal Assent. This Budget Bill
:17:07. > :17:11.covers the 2013/14 financial year and provides legal authority to
:17:12. > :17:15.spend in the first few months of 2014/15. Looking nerms it of the
:17:16. > :17:19.management of public expend Stour, we began the year with an
:17:20. > :17:23.over-commitment we sought to manage through the monitoring rounds and
:17:24. > :17:27.the year monitoring process. Through three monitoring rounds we were able
:17:28. > :17:34.to you can is sowsfully imagine down this over-commitment as well as Real
:17:35. > :17:39.Kate surplus funding. However, this process by no means draws a line
:17:40. > :17:45.under the 2013/14 financial year and it would be remisof me as Finance
:17:46. > :17:49.Minster if I gave that impression. There are five weeks left the
:17:50. > :17:54.financial year and minsters and committees must continue their work
:17:55. > :18:00.to ensuring departmental budgets are maximised using sound financial
:18:01. > :18:05.principles and thereby ensuring we have to return unspent funding to
:18:06. > :18:08.Treasury. Department are in the latter stages of planning for the
:18:09. > :18:11.next financial year the first few weeks are covered by this
:18:12. > :18:14.legislation. There planning will be further complicated if we continue
:18:15. > :18:18.to delay progress on welfare reform. Should that delay run into 2014/15
:18:19. > :18:24.we are facing significant reductions in our block grant from Treasury,
:18:25. > :18:28.which will have an impact on all departmental budgets. As has been
:18:29. > :18:32.wreck flied previously by the Finance Committee, the sledge
:18:33. > :18:35.slative stages of the existing budge eted and financial process are come
:18:36. > :18:39.boresome and knead to be streamlined. Indeed the Committee
:18:40. > :18:44.and Minster are concurrently considering a proposed memorandum of
:18:45. > :18:48.understanding between the Assembly and Executive on the budget process,
:18:49. > :18:52.which if operated effectively would support the future streamlining of
:18:53. > :18:57.the legislative stages of the budget and financial process, thereby,
:18:58. > :19:00.expediting Assembly aproving of the Executive's annual stuments and
:19:01. > :19:10.budget Bills. There has been, to date, a failure to reach agreement
:19:11. > :19:14.around the Haas talks and the various issues involved there. And
:19:15. > :19:26.that failure to reach agreement, it does have an impact - it has an
:19:27. > :19:30.impact on our ability to attract foreign direct investment. But also,
:19:31. > :19:38.the failure to agree within this House on important key legislation,
:19:39. > :19:45.I think also impacts on public spending. The current system is
:19:46. > :19:49.ineffective and does not show transpan youcy or direct read
:19:50. > :19:52.across. Moreover, ministers must make every effort to ensure
:19:53. > :19:56.departmental budgets are adhered to and that underspend is kept to an
:19:57. > :20:01.absolute minimum. We have to avoid the risk of having to return any
:20:02. > :20:05.unspent funding to the Treasury. The Minster has said such an occurrence
:20:06. > :20:08.would be extremely difficult to explain to the tax payers, as we
:20:09. > :20:13.work through one of the tightest budge nets recent years.
:20:14. > :20:19.The Budget Bill is about more than welfare reform. But I've got to say,
:20:20. > :20:25.the job of the Financial Minster is made much more difficult by the kind
:20:26. > :20:29.of attitude that we have seen towards welfare reform, and the
:20:30. > :20:38.response of this Assembly and the Executive to welfare reform.
:20:39. > :20:44.The d.d U pu. 's Sammy Wilson there. -- DUP. Has recent wet weather been
:20:45. > :20:47.a consequence of climate change? The Alliance Party certainly believes
:20:48. > :20:49.so, and earlier this evening called on the Executive to reduce its
:20:50. > :20:53.environmental footprint. The motion was proposed by the Alliance MLA
:20:54. > :20:57.Anna Lo, who joins me now. In fact, you were successful. Ye, I'm very
:20:58. > :21:02.please pleased that certainly we'll receive all-party for it. Yes, there
:21:03. > :21:07.may be one or two who argued whether climate change is man-made or
:21:08. > :21:13.whether it is, you know a phenomenon that is happening by itself, but all
:21:14. > :21:16.of them agree climate change it is here. There is no question about it.
:21:17. > :21:22.There is a large amount of scientific evidence to say it is
:21:23. > :21:26.here. So, it is really whether we face it, we do something about it,
:21:27. > :21:30.we mit git it, we adepartment ourselves to do the best we can.
:21:31. > :21:33.What does that actually mean in real terms? I think that's what some
:21:34. > :21:35.people are frightened about. They don't really know what the
:21:36. > :21:39.consequences of dealing with that might be? Can you sum it up? What do
:21:40. > :21:47.you think needs to happen? We need to, first of all, reduce our carbon
:21:48. > :21:52.footprint. We need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. It's at
:21:53. > :22:00.all levels. Individually, we can all can do something. We all can say -
:22:01. > :22:04.not buy plastic bags. Which need carbon foot prints to produce them.
:22:05. > :22:09.We can start maybe not driving lots and lots of distances. Short
:22:10. > :22:13.distances. Maybe we can walk, psych 'em, take public transport. --
:22:14. > :22:18.cycle, take public transport, rather than taking our car with one driver
:22:19. > :22:22.there driving to work and home. There are lots of things we can do
:22:23. > :22:26.individually but there are lots of things government can do and it is
:22:27. > :22:32.important that government has a co-ordinated approach to it.
:22:33. > :22:38.Because, really, reduction of carbon footprints, reduction of greenhouse
:22:39. > :22:48.gas emission is in our programme for government. We have pledged that we
:22:49. > :22:53.will reduce 35% of greenhouse gas emissions by 1990 level by 2025.
:22:54. > :22:57.And, of course a lot of people would say it is all very well and laudable
:22:58. > :23:01.and maybe we should do more but actually continue wouldn't mean
:23:02. > :23:06.anything globally if other emembers of the jurying countries, like, for
:23:07. > :23:13.example, China which is becoming a huge industrial park, doesn't do
:23:14. > :23:20.something as W the rate at which it is building, coal fire plants and
:23:21. > :23:24.enormous factories, balances out anything we do. How do you respond
:23:25. > :23:30.to that? It is a serious point. Absolutely. I think you are wrong in
:23:31. > :23:34.saying that. China used to be the biggest polluter they are not any
:23:35. > :23:38.more. They have invested hugely on renewable energy and are producing
:23:39. > :23:48.lots of re renewable energy products. They are one of the
:23:49. > :23:55.biggest, I think, producers now of wind turbines, and the solar plans.
:23:56. > :24:00.So, I mean we are not doing enough. We also need to be thinking about -
:24:01. > :24:07.the debate today is also mainly about flood. Flooding is going to be
:24:08. > :24:10.the biggest effect of climate change are for Northern Ireland. OK, we
:24:11. > :24:19.need to leave it there. Thank you very much for coming in to join us.
:24:20. > :24:22.The Human Trafficking Bill was discussed once again at the Justice
:24:23. > :24:25.Committee last week. Giving evidence were two high ranking police
:24:26. > :24:28.officers. We join proceedings as the committee chair, Paul Givan, asks
:24:29. > :24:32.Assistant Chief Constable Drew Harris for his view about Clause 6
:24:33. > :24:35.of the bill, which would make it illegal to pay for sex here. We have
:24:36. > :24:38.no opposition, I can say overall in respect of the Bill we welcome the
:24:39. > :24:43.Bill and welcome the focus on victims and welcome the focus on
:24:44. > :24:47.what other legislative tools may be brought to bear around human
:24:48. > :24:52.trafficking and also then prostitution, our focus would be on
:24:53. > :24:56.organised crime groups N respect of Clause 6, no, we have no opposition.
:24:57. > :25:02.I think there is a qualification in our mind about its impact going
:25:03. > :25:09.forward, because, what are the unintended consequences? Outside of
:25:10. > :25:16.the organised crime group, the element of prostitution, we do have
:25:17. > :25:20.links in with the remainder of the industry. We do wish to provide them
:25:21. > :25:25.a service because they are vulnerable. We wish to make sure
:25:26. > :25:30.that they are protected and in passing this legislation, we would
:25:31. > :25:34.want to be careful to maintain that sense that those individuals do feel
:25:35. > :25:41.that the police service will protect them from assault, serious harm from
:25:42. > :25:47.crime. Where you see the particular benefit is as an additional tool to
:25:48. > :25:51.tackle the serious organised crime gangs, I'm taking this as you saying
:25:52. > :25:54.this will be of benefit to the police, giving another tool? Of
:25:55. > :26:01.course there are investigations in respect of just public nuisance
:26:02. > :26:07.element of prostitution but that is billioned as well, in that we do not
:26:08. > :26:13.want -- that is balanced as well in that we do not want any victims of
:26:14. > :26:16.serious crime but particularly those who are vulnerable, not feeling they
:26:17. > :26:19.can come forward to the police and make complaints. Prostitutes are
:26:20. > :26:23.particularly vulnerable in society and vulnerable to serious crime and
:26:24. > :26:30.assault. Can I take it then that prostitution or an estimate, or some
:26:31. > :26:35.section of prostitution is very mobile in so far as people being
:26:36. > :26:39.shipped around the country? There is an expression called the chicken
:26:40. > :26:44.run, which is an expression used in the trafficking industry where girls
:26:45. > :26:47.would be moved from locations throughout not only Northern Ireland
:26:48. > :26:51.but throughout the island of Ireland and there has been documentaries
:26:52. > :26:55.about that to show people have been moved around. Part of that is simply
:26:56. > :26:59.to meet the choice of people who want to use the services, rather
:27:00. > :27:08.than revisit a brothel a week later and find the same girls there. It is
:27:09. > :27:11.to keep that fresh, as it were. Detective Chief Superintendent Roy
:27:12. > :27:13.McComb ending our look back at last week's Justice Committee
:27:14. > :27:17.proceedings. And Stephen Walker is with me again. A few final thoughts.
:27:18. > :27:21.Away from the Chamber, Gerry Kelly the Sinn Fein MLA is making
:27:22. > :27:28.headlines again. That's right this. Relates to an incident last summer
:27:29. > :27:32.up at Carrick Hill during the loyalist tour of the north when
:27:33. > :27:35.Gerry Kelly was on the bonnet of a police Land Rover. Sinn Fein said
:27:36. > :27:39.today, Gerry Kelly in common with any other citizen is entitled to
:27:40. > :27:43.access the courts when he believes he has been wronged. This is about
:27:44. > :27:48.taking action against the police. There hoos been unionist criticism
:27:49. > :27:52.about Gerry Kelly's decision today. DUP's Nigel Dodds says this is one
:27:53. > :27:57.of the most petty and small-minded acts taken on behalf of Sinn Fein
:27:58. > :28:00.and Tom Elliot was very, very critical of Gerry Kelly and
:28:01. > :28:04.basically said he should hang his head in shame. A lot of criticism
:28:05. > :28:10.from unionists directed towards Gerry Kelly. And finally, the
:28:11. > :28:15.fishing industry is asking Stormont for help? Yes, we have had similar
:28:16. > :28:21.stories to this last year when we had the heavy snow. The farming
:28:22. > :28:25.community looked for help and local fishmen have called on Stormont to
:28:26. > :28:28.provide financial ad after the bad weather. They said the conditions
:28:29. > :28:32.meant they couldn't go out in their boats. Any Mel O'Neil, the
:28:33. > :28:38.Agriculture Minister is meeteding them tomorrow and the South Down MLA
:28:39. > :28:41.is calling for a meeting of Executive and has called for more
:28:42. > :28:50.aid. That's all for now. I'm back again
:28:51. > :28:51.tomorrow on BBC Two at 11. 20pm. For now, goodbye.
:28:52. > :28:53.Should Britain have entered the Great War?
:28:54. > :28:55.Britain's decision for war was a disaster
:28:56. > :28:59.not just for this country, but also for the entire world.
:29:00. > :29:03.What if we'd stayed out? What if Germany had won?
:29:04. > :29:09.war would have ended with a German victory in 1916, if not earlier.
:29:10. > :29:14.from what we might call the Blackadder take on history
:29:15. > :29:16.is to believe that it was all so futile,
:29:17. > :29:18.that it didn't matter which side won.
:29:19. > :29:24.We're left with just one question - was it worth it?
:29:25. > :29:27.on whether we were right to go to war.