0:00:22 > 0:00:25Hello and welcome to Stormont Today, the best of the day's business from
0:00:25 > 0:00:28the windswept and rain-soaked Assembly. And if the constant rain
0:00:28 > 0:00:33is getting you down, let your MLAs lift your spirits with fine debate
0:00:33 > 0:00:41and high rhetoric. Coming up on the programme:
0:00:41 > 0:00:48New rules for appointing special advisors are unveiled. What we have
0:00:48 > 0:00:51done is we have made it clear that the walls on appointing special
0:00:51 > 0:01:01advisers have been tightened. People have complained about
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0:01:01 > 0:01:04whether or not those who are appointed are competent. The method
0:01:04 > 0:01:07they are appointed by has been changed as
0:01:07 > 0:01:13The prisons challenge facing the Justice Minister is laid out in
0:01:13 > 0:01:21stark terms. It prison officers want good management, they have to
0:01:21 > 0:01:24be prepared to be managed. There are new ways of working.
0:01:24 > 0:01:31And with his own expertise in that field, Professor Phil Scraton from
0:01:31 > 0:01:35Queen's is with me. Our prison service is too expensive
0:01:35 > 0:01:39and under effective. That's the view of a report which has been
0:01:39 > 0:01:46described as a watershed moment for the prison service. Professor Phil
0:01:46 > 0:01:53Scraton has written extensively about our justice system. What do
0:01:53 > 0:01:57you make of today's report? I think you could look at the report as the
0:01:57 > 0:02:07pinnacle of a series of events that have gone back over the last six or
0:02:07 > 0:02:11
0:02:11 > 0:02:15seven years. There have been reports after reports, plus the
0:02:15 > 0:02:19inspections. They have bought more or less said the same thing. The
0:02:19 > 0:02:24prisons are not fit for purpose and the staff within the prison are
0:02:24 > 0:02:29demoralised. There has been very little replacement of staff. The
0:02:29 > 0:02:32management itself has not been up to scratch, and we have seen that
0:02:32 > 0:02:39over and again with some spectacular cases and big issues,
0:02:39 > 0:02:43and also the accommodation. It is a boy for and in parts it is
0:02:43 > 0:02:49completely unsuitable and breaches international guidelines for
0:02:49 > 0:02:56prisoners. I think that that combination of factors, plus the
0:02:56 > 0:03:00lack of will, lack of political will to change. A lot of that is
0:03:00 > 0:03:07the legacy of the conflict, but there has to be changed now and
0:03:07 > 0:03:11this report, this review in actual fact, is going to be the catalyst,
0:03:11 > 0:03:18I hope. Dame Anne Owers carried out the
0:03:18 > 0:03:23report. She described the main changes that need to be made.
0:03:23 > 0:03:27immediate priority is back to basics. Getting and the prisons
0:03:27 > 0:03:32running efficiently and properly. That is a staging post. The real
0:03:32 > 0:03:35goal is to get to a prison service that can be a model of good
0:03:35 > 0:03:39practice and can work with prisoners to increase public safety
0:03:39 > 0:03:45by tried to get them to change and not to offend when they get out.
0:03:45 > 0:03:51That is what we should be aiming for. It all needs to be geared
0:03:51 > 0:03:55towards that one aim. Our does our emphasis on rehabilitation can
0:03:55 > 0:04:00their hair to England, Scotland and Wales in terms of rehabilitating
0:04:00 > 0:04:05prisoners? There is less good work going on in prisons. There is good
0:04:05 > 0:04:11work going on outside, but in prisons one of the problems is that
0:04:11 > 0:04:18the regime has not been consistent enough that you can get prisoners
0:04:18 > 0:04:28to activities. There is a bit big learning centre at Maghaberry that
0:04:28 > 0:04:30
0:04:30 > 0:04:36prisoners cannot get to. The UCB Prison Officers' Association of the
0:04:36 > 0:04:40management as a key stumbling block to the changes? In it is both. You
0:04:40 > 0:04:45have to have a good and effective management of prisons and there has
0:04:45 > 0:04:53not always been the space for that. I think that is improving at the
0:04:53 > 0:04:59top at -- of the service. At the other end, you need to have the
0:04:59 > 0:05:03willingness to be managed. Prison officers need to be prepared to be
0:05:03 > 0:05:07managed, especially with things that are not comfortable. There are
0:05:07 > 0:05:11new ways of working, perhaps maybe worrying because it has not been
0:05:11 > 0:05:16done before and that is why the development and management of staff
0:05:16 > 0:05:22is so important. The issue over the time that people spent on a remark
0:05:22 > 0:05:27has become a big issue today. Just to us what you would like to see.
0:05:27 > 0:05:31We need to cut down the amount of time spent on remand. One in three
0:05:31 > 0:05:38prisoners here have not been tried. They are still innocent. That
0:05:38 > 0:05:42compares with one in 10 in England and Wales. One of the things that
0:05:42 > 0:05:48helps in that, and that has been around for a long time, is having a
0:05:48 > 0:05:56statutory time limit between when you get charged and when you go to
0:05:56 > 0:06:01court. So what is a sensible time? Different time limits for different
0:06:01 > 0:06:07cases. If you are looking at low level cases, youth justice cases,
0:06:07 > 0:06:11it should be in a matter of a few months. Obviously with serious
0:06:11 > 0:06:16cases you need longer because unique to get the evidence and
0:06:16 > 0:06:21witnesses together. It is not a one size fits all and it is not
0:06:22 > 0:06:29something that should happen immediately, but if you do
0:06:30 > 0:06:35something like what the youth justice advice to do, do with young
0:06:35 > 0:06:41people quickly, and that works you can make up the system. We have not
0:06:41 > 0:06:48suggested any time limits because they would need to be what is
0:06:48 > 0:06:54suitable to a particular case. this give you hope and optimism
0:06:54 > 0:07:01that there will be built change? is my hope and optimism that the
0:07:01 > 0:07:08issues are understood. The review is - that the review is
0:07:08 > 0:07:18comprehensive. It singles out Maghaberry as being one of the most
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0:07:20 > 0:07:30complex. It recognises that it cannot go on in the way in which it
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0:07:32 > 0:07:35is. However, Maghaberry is for long-term prisoners and I think the
0:07:35 > 0:07:40issue around longer term prisoners is that they have to be accessible
0:07:40 > 0:07:45to their families. On the one hand, the review says they want it to be
0:07:45 > 0:07:52close and move to an urban centre, but it also says it is not possible
0:07:52 > 0:07:58and it should be refurbished. I have been at my Gilligan on a
0:07:58 > 0:08:06number of occasions and there is no way that present should be allowed
0:08:06 > 0:08:12to stay open. If we are serious about cohering families around
0:08:12 > 0:08:15prisons, we need to make them more accessible. Thank you.
0:08:15 > 0:08:18Northern Ireland has yet another world champion. Not a golfer, an
0:08:18 > 0:08:21athlete nor any other sportsman. But a bricklayer. The information
0:08:21 > 0:08:23that comes out during question time, and that nugget was from Stephen
0:08:23 > 0:08:26Farry of Employment and Learning. But first, let's hear the Acting
0:08:26 > 0:08:30Deputy First Minister John O'Dowd, who may well have been holding the
0:08:30 > 0:08:39fort for Martin McGuinness for the last time. Here he is answering a
0:08:39 > 0:08:44question on that perennial topic, the past.
0:08:44 > 0:08:54The recent debate on dealing with the past in this Chamber
0:08:54 > 0:08:54
0:08:54 > 0:08:59illustrated the range of views. We are a post conflict society. We
0:08:59 > 0:09:06need to find a way it for what that is sensitive to the victims and
0:09:06 > 0:09:15survivors in our society. There is the value in making the process
0:09:15 > 0:09:20objective and inclusive. I am conscious there are other views and
0:09:20 > 0:09:28I don't want to be presumptuous of prescriptive in saying how
0:09:28 > 0:09:33discussions will take place. It remains this department's
0:09:33 > 0:09:42intentioned but the voices of victims and survivors will be heard
0:09:42 > 0:09:49and their needs met. Could I thank the acting Deputy First Minister
0:09:49 > 0:09:55for his answer. But could I ask him to reflect on what was contained in
0:09:55 > 0:10:00the Bradley Report in terms of dealing with the past? And up what
0:10:00 > 0:10:05he and the First Minister not address this issue on the basis of
0:10:05 > 0:10:09that report so that they can be a truly comprehensive approach by the
0:10:09 > 0:10:17Office in relation to dealing with the past and the Office no longer
0:10:17 > 0:10:22it ducks the issue, but get stuck in and develops mechanisms that are
0:10:22 > 0:10:30necessary to heal the wounds in this society. It is certainly not a
0:10:30 > 0:10:37case of a lot of this ducking this issue. It is a very important issue
0:10:37 > 0:10:42and affects members of our society deeply. We want to make sure we had
0:10:42 > 0:10:52the right mechanisms going or what. The Member refers to the Bradley
0:10:52 > 0:10:53
0:10:53 > 0:11:02Report. I note the comments of the British Secretary of State in
0:11:02 > 0:11:09regards that report. I can assure the member that the way forward
0:11:09 > 0:11:15should not be prescriptive. We want to make sure that the way it
0:11:15 > 0:11:21forward meets the needs of victims and survivors. With reference to
0:11:21 > 0:11:28public confidence, can he advised the House on the return of the
0:11:28 > 0:11:34former Deputy First Minister, how will confidence be enhance? When he
0:11:34 > 0:11:38was giving evidence to the Bloody Sunday inquiry, he claimed he had
0:11:38 > 0:11:48taken an oath of secrecy to the IRA. What is the chance of getting any
0:11:48 > 0:11:54
0:11:54 > 0:11:58It is quite clear that everyone is going to have to play their part in
0:11:59 > 0:12:06shipping our future, part of shook and that future is going to be how
0:12:06 > 0:12:11to deal with our past. I have no vote that the Deputy First Minister
0:12:11 > 0:12:15will play his role in ensuring that the society can move forward, to
0:12:15 > 0:12:21start delivering a new future for this generation, without forgetting
0:12:21 > 0:12:30the past. Employment and learner, and the future of St me these
0:12:30 > 0:12:36teacher-training college was on the agenda. -- St Mary's. I am just
0:12:36 > 0:12:46wondering if the minister is committed to supporting its
0:12:46 > 0:12:47
0:12:47 > 0:12:53sustainability? Would he consider delivering students to the
0:12:53 > 0:12:57university? I am certainly very conscious of the importance of St
0:12:57 > 0:13:02Mary's in the context of his constituency, and the member will
0:13:02 > 0:13:06be aware that there are a number of issues pertaining to future of
0:13:06 > 0:13:12teacher training within Northern Ireland and I am giving active
0:13:12 > 0:13:20consideration to all of those. There are other aspects to it, as
0:13:20 > 0:13:27well. I have a meeting with the member and his colleague and the
0:13:27 > 0:13:30principal of St Mary's, soon in the future. Assured future has long
0:13:30 > 0:13:37been a central plank Alliance Party policies which should be no problem
0:13:37 > 0:13:41for Minister Barry, to underline what he's doing to make it happen.
0:13:41 > 0:13:45It should lead to the creation of a former Shia future policy proofing,
0:13:45 > 0:13:49in addition to current forms a policy proofing, this mechanism
0:13:49 > 0:13:55would be applied to all future of departmental policies to assess if
0:13:55 > 0:14:00they will lead to a share society, or inadvertently reinforced the
0:14:00 > 0:14:06visions. Those policies that then towards separation will be avoided,
0:14:06 > 0:14:10whilst those that arnica or which will advance assure future will be
0:14:10 > 0:14:15fairer. This will be broader than the current aspect of quality
0:14:15 > 0:14:22prevent. I believe these changes would represent a ground-breaking
0:14:22 > 0:14:25development, in terms of the policy-making process and
0:14:25 > 0:14:34demonstrate a commitment to Ayrshire future by my department
0:14:35 > 0:14:38and others. And finally a tribute to a world champion. We have a
0:14:38 > 0:14:43number of people in Northern Ireland, we have the world champion
0:14:43 > 0:14:48gold medallist in terms of bricklaying, coming from Northern
0:14:48 > 0:14:53Ireland. This is testament to the strength in depth we have in our
0:14:53 > 0:14:57young people. He Steven Farry, there. The First Minister has found
0:14:57 > 0:15:01an extra �40 million for the Kohl ownership housing scheme. The
0:15:01 > 0:15:05department will help got an extra �25 million to buy specialist it's
0:15:05 > 0:15:09an stops animals need denies that as part of the October monitoring
0:15:09 > 0:15:14Brown, where money that has not been spent by departments is
0:15:14 > 0:15:18reallocated. And the minister had this warning for banks that do not
0:15:18 > 0:15:22play ball. We do not want to put money into the corner sheet scheme
0:15:22 > 0:15:25and then think people can get money from the coal ownership scheme and
0:15:25 > 0:15:31then cannot get one over the other percentage is to purchase the
0:15:31 > 0:15:35property from the banks, and for that reason, after this debate or
0:15:35 > 0:15:41statement is over, the banks, representatives from the banks will
0:15:41 > 0:15:46be in this building, making a commitment in the briefings they
0:15:46 > 0:15:50will give to the press, on their willingness to participate in this
0:15:50 > 0:15:55scheme and make money available, through this scheme, and also
0:15:55 > 0:16:02working with the scheme to ensure that every is any duplication of
0:16:02 > 0:16:06the way in which things are process, then there is a need for banks to
0:16:06 > 0:16:10delay the process by doing the same betting as the scheme, the same
0:16:10 > 0:16:15conditions that are laid down poor loans, and All those issues have
0:16:15 > 0:16:23been discussed with officials. This is only one aspect of bank lending,
0:16:23 > 0:16:27of course, we're talking about. In the engagement with the minister
0:16:27 > 0:16:32for the St, and that I have had with the banks, we met them between
0:16:32 > 0:16:37making this decision and announcing up today, we have found that most
0:16:37 > 0:16:43of them have been positive, but of course, and we have made this clear
0:16:43 > 0:16:46to the banks, not only do we want a commitment today, for them to
0:16:46 > 0:16:55advertise their products they will make available to people, but we
0:16:55 > 0:17:02will be monitoring just how that is delivered. This is great news today,
0:17:02 > 0:17:07isn't it? An injection of any amount of capital into the system
0:17:07 > 0:17:16of government is good news. We have not patting to study these plans
0:17:16 > 0:17:21fully. There is the �10 million available currently, providing 125
0:17:21 > 0:17:26homes. This will provide an additional 170. People are still
0:17:26 > 0:17:32required to provide a 5% deposit and, more importantly, to secure a
0:17:32 > 0:17:3575% mortgage which is where the difficulty is, with the bats.
0:17:35 > 0:17:42banks were here today with Sammy Wilson, having a meeting, and he
0:17:42 > 0:17:47seemed to suggest they would play ball. The existing scheme has
0:17:47 > 0:17:53certain anomalies where if you have borrowings in the region of fight
0:17:53 > 0:17:59�1,000 for a car loan, or at bit of any kind of �5,000, you're out. So
0:17:59 > 0:18:02and there is a bit of work that could be done round the edges.
0:18:02 > 0:18:07we go to a system where there are 400 people on a waiting list been
0:18:07 > 0:18:11chosen on a lottery system, at random, surely any system to help
0:18:11 > 0:18:15some of those people at least get onto the property ladder and into
0:18:15 > 0:18:21safe homes is a good thing. We for the last several months the number
0:18:21 > 0:18:26of people applying was less than the supply. We have a lottery
0:18:26 > 0:18:32system at one stage. And the unavailability of mortgage finance
0:18:32 > 0:18:37rather than the corner should scheme was what prevented people.
0:18:37 > 0:18:43The last couple of issues, there were you're applications than we
0:18:43 > 0:18:47could find finance for. What else could Sammy Wilson do about this?
0:18:47 > 0:18:52He is the finance minister. It is not for me to tell him what he
0:18:52 > 0:18:57should do, but the way to stimulate the economy is to inject money into
0:18:57 > 0:19:01the bottom end of it because it will come out at the top. If these
0:19:01 > 0:19:05were new build houses that stimulate the housing market. It
0:19:05 > 0:19:09might well be that it is properties that have been lying around for
0:19:09 > 0:19:15some time, and that will help get people House's but it will not
0:19:15 > 0:19:21stimulate the economy. He hoped at 450 new houses would be built every
0:19:21 > 0:19:27year for the next several years. We're already through the �15
0:19:27 > 0:19:32million coal ownership scheme providing 425 houses. My entire
0:19:32 > 0:19:38family whose -- entire family history was in housebuilding, and
0:19:38 > 0:19:42that is gone now. The skills that they depended on are gone and the
0:19:42 > 0:19:47market that they service is going and it will take a good deal of
0:19:47 > 0:19:50effort to bring it back. Planning has to be right. And financial
0:19:50 > 0:19:55functions of the banking system have to suit the needs of the
0:19:55 > 0:20:02business. The Justice Minister David Ford revealed a few weeks ago
0:20:02 > 0:20:06during question time that 80% of inmates on -- at Maghaberry were on
0:20:07 > 0:20:11some form of prescription medications. Last week the Health
0:20:11 > 0:20:14Minister hear more about prisoners and their health issues. And the
0:20:14 > 0:20:21ongoing issue of the police ombudsman was discussed. But we
0:20:22 > 0:20:27start with health. Many prisoners suffer from anxiety and depression,
0:20:27 > 0:20:31personality disorders and serious mental illness, suicidal ideas and
0:20:31 > 0:20:36self-harm is prevalent. Providing treatment and a correction
0:20:36 > 0:20:40environment is challenging. There is a significant need in relation
0:20:40 > 0:20:45to mental health. Up to 5,000 prisoners, including sentenced and
0:20:45 > 0:20:49demand prisoners used health care services each year. The figures
0:20:49 > 0:20:55outline highly level of need. Some 1,000 prisoners will have
0:20:56 > 0:21:00personality disorders. 130 will have psychosis, 750 have some form
0:21:00 > 0:21:05of neurosis, 12 will have tried to kill themselves in the last seven
0:21:05 > 0:21:10days, 110 will have thought about that within the last seven days.
0:21:10 > 0:21:15160 prisoners will have tried to kill themselves in the last year.
0:21:15 > 0:21:20712 people will have an addiction and fight on them 45 will have an
0:21:20 > 0:21:23addiction to alcohol and drug problems. Many inmates are
0:21:23 > 0:21:26receiving prescribed medication and stock in many cases, the Docks
0:21:26 > 0:21:32prisoners take our for their said that there were tranquillising
0:21:32 > 0:21:37effects, rather than for physical ailments. Attempts to manage this
0:21:37 > 0:21:42clinically are received with hostility. Over 90% of complaints
0:21:42 > 0:21:49received relate to medicines management. The administration of
0:21:49 > 0:21:51medicines to such a large population in the security tight
0:21:51 > 0:21:56environment is it time consuming for professional staff, and given
0:21:56 > 0:22:01the levels of Ilka starting, it makes it difficult for us to
0:22:01 > 0:22:09conform to best practice. Sometimes 60% of mustn't think Candy taken
0:22:09 > 0:22:14over the administration of medicine. I percentage of prisoners have a
0:22:14 > 0:22:16history of alcohol and drug misuse and stops some of the youngest
0:22:16 > 0:22:22prisoners and we want to harder drugs in present a stock to help
0:22:22 > 0:22:26them escape detection in prison prisoners are a high risk or
0:22:26 > 0:22:36opposed on discharge and many of the drugs smuggled into prison are
0:22:36 > 0:22:39
0:22:39 > 0:22:45very dangerous compounds. Any other business? It is in two parts. In
0:22:45 > 0:22:51relation to the ombudsman, the evidence given to the committee on
0:22:51 > 0:22:57the September the it, first of all, he can recall someone who has given
0:22:57 > 0:23:01evidence which was misleading or unsatisfactory. People might have
0:23:01 > 0:23:10an opinion on his performance in his role, but my opinion is that he
0:23:10 > 0:23:15told us... A is this going to take us much other forward on the issue?
0:23:15 > 0:23:19It is not the issue. What I am saying is, he told this committee
0:23:19 > 0:23:23that he would have to check documentation, that nothing would
0:23:23 > 0:23:28be changed without the evidence and he would have to get evidence and
0:23:28 > 0:23:34when he was pressed, he asked his colleague who told them, I would
0:23:34 > 0:23:38check. In no uncertain terms, there are no documents, so therefore, he
0:23:38 > 0:23:48changed his opinion and changed the report, without documentation,
0:23:48 > 0:23:56which he told us he would not do. If there is a particular area where
0:23:56 > 0:24:01you think he might have misled the committee, usually, you would
0:24:01 > 0:24:06highlight to remember that provided evidence where there might have
0:24:06 > 0:24:13been an issue on asking him to clarify that evidence. If you are
0:24:13 > 0:24:17suggesting that he is recalled to do it, I would be content that we
0:24:17 > 0:24:21would like to him and say, you is an issue that some members are
0:24:21 > 0:24:31highlighted, can you explain? If it comes down to the issue of
0:24:31 > 0:24:36indicting him back, I don't want the question your motivation for
0:24:36 > 0:24:41that. I think it would go beyond that particular issue and it -- it
0:24:41 > 0:24:47would be another if up to try to apply pressure for him to resign
0:24:47 > 0:24:52his position. We heard about the problems of prescription drugs in
0:24:52 > 0:24:57Maghaberry, so what about the mental health system in the prison
0:24:57 > 0:25:02system? That has been criticised. The way that mental health is
0:25:02 > 0:25:09tackled in prisons is one of the great scandals. One of the things
0:25:09 > 0:25:13that we see is people go into prison with mental help conditions
0:25:13 > 0:25:17-- mental health, and others contact them whilst they are in
0:25:17 > 0:25:22there. That is about the way the prisons are set up, the lack of
0:25:22 > 0:25:28appropriate support or help cure needs. It impacts right across the
0:25:28 > 0:25:35board, on their families, or near communities and it is a barrier to
0:25:35 > 0:25:41them when they are released. One of the issues raised today which was
0:25:41 > 0:25:45spoken about strongly in the report was the fact that, since they
0:25:45 > 0:25:48criticised the Prison Service for its lack of a patient and mental
0:25:49 > 0:25:53ill-health, that is one of the key issues, and we know about the
0:25:53 > 0:25:58stories of suicide, and will self- harm, which have been so prevalent
0:25:58 > 0:26:05within prisons, particularly for women in prison, they raise these
0:26:05 > 0:26:08issues, starkly, in Peggy, and they say that nothing has been done. In
0:26:08 > 0:26:14that time there has been almost zero progress. That is completely
0:26:14 > 0:26:17unacceptable. The finance minister Sammy Wilson says Sinn Fein has not
0:26:17 > 0:26:23objected to a new system for appointing special advisers at
0:26:23 > 0:26:28Stormont. Mark Devon port has been telling me more. There was huge
0:26:28 > 0:26:33controversy back in May and June when the culture minister appointed
0:26:33 > 0:26:42me in a Kabul as a special adviser, even though she had been convicted
0:26:42 > 0:26:48for her role in the murder of a magistrate's daughter in 1984. Now,
0:26:48 > 0:26:51that DUP said it was going to look at this. Peter Robinson asked the
0:26:51 > 0:26:55Finance Minister has responsible for personnel around Stormont to
0:26:56 > 0:26:59look at it. He came up with the review that was completed in June,
0:26:59 > 0:27:04but it Hitler see the light of the until this week when it appeared on
0:27:04 > 0:27:08the Assembly website. It's it's about a vetting procedure whereby
0:27:08 > 0:27:15the justice agency would affect any prospective candidate for special
0:27:15 > 0:27:18advisers, in the same way they book or senior civil servant jobs. I
0:27:18 > 0:27:22asked the minister weather of that review had been applied then, it
0:27:22 > 0:27:27with a stock the appointment of Mary McArdle. What we have done is
0:27:27 > 0:27:32made it quite clear that the rules on appointing special advisers have
0:27:32 > 0:27:36been tightened. It will be a proper procedure. People have complained
0:27:36 > 0:27:41about whether those who have been appointed are competent, the method
0:27:42 > 0:27:48by which they appointed, that has been dealt with, and the security
0:27:48 > 0:27:54vetting has been dealt with, as well. So the rules are quite clear
0:27:54 > 0:28:00and ministers will have to abide by them. Can these bills be enforced
0:28:00 > 0:28:05retrospectively? Sammy Wilson says that this new system has been in
0:28:05 > 0:28:10force since the 6th September, but he only foresees a crisis of there
0:28:10 > 0:28:14is a new appointment that is going to be made and somebody potentially
0:28:14 > 0:28:20has convictions. Sinn Fein has not objected to it so far, but they
0:28:20 > 0:28:28will make the point that they cannot approve this. Lots of
0:28:28 > 0:28:38activity you to a. What is all this about? Stormont does not work just
0:28:38 > 0:28:429-5. This function is for a group that stands for, where is my public
0:28:42 > 0:28:46servant? It is a charitable group involving young people involved in
0:28:46 > 0:28:51making films and being in contact and campaigning and lobbying with
0:28:51 > 0:28:56politicians on issues of interest to young people, so they having
0:28:56 > 0:29:06will launch. And I am here because I have got roped in as the compere!
0:29:06 > 0:29:08
0:29:08 > 0:29:12I will leave you to the programme, What would you say is the priority
0:29:12 > 0:29:22for the prison service? Or there needs to be more involvement of
0:29:22 > 0:29:26
0:29:26 > 0:29:32other departments, not just the Justice Department. If we do not
0:29:32 > 0:29:37get this right, what actually happens is we create a problem, a
0:29:37 > 0:29:41greater problem for people who are in those communities. We will see
0:29:41 > 0:29:47an increasing criminality. If we are serious about victims, we have