:00:24. > :00:26.Hello and welcome to Stormont Today. Coming up in the next 30 minutes:
:00:27. > :00:30.The Deputy First Minister won't confirm
:00:31. > :00:37.if Gerry Adams was in the IRA, but is happy to admit his own past.
:00:38. > :00:44.I am on the public record that I was a member of the IRA. It didn't do me
:00:45. > :00:48.any harm getting elected in mid-Ulster.
:00:49. > :00:51.Sunday racing at the North West 200 moves one step closer. There has to
:00:52. > :00:55.be a flexibility because of the economic benefit that has to the
:00:56. > :00:59.region. Indeed, if we had a repeat of what has happened in the past
:01:00. > :01:03.three years, it would be my contention that a lot of people
:01:04. > :01:06.would not come back. And political commentator Alex Kane
:01:07. > :01:13.is with me to review today's proceedings.
:01:14. > :01:18.He was asked directly, but he avoided answering the question. In
:01:19. > :01:22.the Assembly today the Deputy First Minister failed to confirm or deny
:01:23. > :01:25.if Gerry Adams was ever in the IRA. Martin McGuinness also told the
:01:26. > :01:27.Assembly he believes the loyalist protests planned for Belfast city
:01:28. > :01:32.centre are being organised by the UVF. But first Mr McGuinness
:01:33. > :01:39.criticised comments made by the UK Work and Pensions Minister about
:01:40. > :01:45.Welfare Reform. I am sure people are well aware of the interview that
:01:46. > :01:50.Mike Penning gave to the BBC here just a short time ago. I think
:01:51. > :01:54.instead of threatening cuts of ?5 million her month from our block
:01:55. > :02:01.grant, he would be better spending his time working out why DWP has
:02:02. > :02:05.written off ?34 million on an IT system that's not fit for purpose.
:02:06. > :02:13.The departmental estimates suggest the figure for write office could
:02:14. > :02:16.reach ?140 million. The out working of Welfare Reform in England is
:02:17. > :02:25.being challenged in the courts and tested in the courts and indeed, DWP
:02:26. > :02:33.have not got it right. I am not sure why people are in such a rush for us
:02:34. > :02:37.to get it wrong as well. I support the Deputy First Minister. Could the
:02:38. > :02:41.minister tell us whether or not there is a Plan B if these threats
:02:42. > :02:47.become real in relation to cuts in our budget and how that's going to
:02:48. > :02:51.be managed through the executive? I think it is too soon to go into
:02:52. > :02:55.that. I think from our prospective, we are dealing with the reality of
:02:56. > :03:01.the here and now and the fact there has been useful discussions taking
:03:02. > :03:06.place among members of the executive and quite clearly people are
:03:07. > :03:13.focussed on the challenges that this poses for us. As I said, in relation
:03:14. > :03:20.to Mike Penning's contribution which I have to say in my opinion was one
:03:21. > :03:26.of the worst interviews I have heard whenever, not alone did he attempt
:03:27. > :03:30.to deal with that issue in a very clumsy way, he ventured into areas
:03:31. > :03:38.of responsibility for this assembly and this executive. Areas he had no
:03:39. > :03:43.right to venture into. Does he believe that had gads was not a
:03:44. > :03:48.member of the IRA despite all the evidence from other witnesses to the
:03:49. > :03:55.contrary? Well, I am on the public record that
:03:56. > :04:01.I was a member of the IRA. It didn't do me any harm getting elected in
:04:02. > :04:06.mid-Ulster. The people of South Derry and east Tyrone whenever they
:04:07. > :04:10.made a decision to make me their MP in 1997 did because they believed I
:04:11. > :04:16.was committed to building the peace process. Because they wanted peace
:04:17. > :04:20.and they saw my contribution to that as being an important contribution.
:04:21. > :04:25.I hope I've made an important contribution. And I think those
:04:26. > :04:29.people who make the argument that you can't further contribute to
:04:30. > :04:35.society in a meaningful way because you were a member of the IRA in the
:04:36. > :04:39.past. They are making a huge mistake. Given the fact that there
:04:40. > :04:45.will be a march on Saturday in the centre of Belfast which again will
:04:46. > :04:48.disrupt business, would the Deputy First Minister agree with me that
:04:49. > :04:53.these people have made their point in relation to flags and they should
:04:54. > :04:59.desist from future demonstrations and if possible, enter into the
:05:00. > :05:07.Haass process where they could make their points more effectively?
:05:08. > :05:12.Well, I agree that it is a responsibility of everybody involved
:05:13. > :05:16.in this to recognise the importance of discussion and dialogue. I do
:05:17. > :05:24.think people have made their point and I note with interest that the
:05:25. > :05:30.media are now exercised about who is organising the parade on Saturday. I
:05:31. > :05:34.don't have any doubt as to who is organising this parade. This parade
:05:35. > :05:41.has been organised by the UVF. It has been supported by elements
:05:42. > :05:44.within the Orange Order. I think there clearly is a responsibility on
:05:45. > :05:52.the progress why I have unionist party as they call themselves to
:05:53. > :05:56.recognise the damage that can be done if these protests continue.
:05:57. > :06:00.Martin McGuinness making clear how he feels about the planned loyalist
:06:01. > :06:06.flag protests. The commentator Alex Kane is with me now. There was a lot
:06:07. > :06:10.in that session today. The Deputy First Minister made his views very
:06:11. > :06:13.clear first of all on Mike Penning and what he had to say about Welfare
:06:14. > :06:18.Reform? Well, he did and through that he called him the direct rule
:06:19. > :06:21.minister, proving yet again about old habits dying hard. I am not sure
:06:22. > :06:28.where they are coming from in this sense of attacking Penning tonne. We
:06:29. > :06:33.are talking about the most important legislation across the UK for the
:06:34. > :06:39.past 50 years. The executive, the assembly has never had a proper
:06:40. > :06:45.serious debate about this. We are coming up to Christmas and they have
:06:46. > :06:50.not had the debate and they get shirty when somebody goes, "Why
:06:51. > :06:55.haven't you dealt with it? If you haven't dealt with it, we will
:06:56. > :07:00.punish you." We kneed clarity because the clock is ticking? They
:07:01. > :07:05.can't do anything now. There is two weeks left of this session. When
:07:06. > :07:10.they come back in January, they come back for Eurotunnel, Westminster and
:07:11. > :07:18.-- European Council and Westminster and no party wants to get bogged
:07:19. > :07:23.down. What about Mr ss' response about gads and whether or not he was
:07:24. > :07:27.in the IRA. It was a strange answer, did he duck the question? It sounded
:07:28. > :07:34.like he was answering the question, were you Mr McGuinness ever in the
:07:35. > :07:41.IRA? I was. The reality is this Adams question is not going to go
:07:42. > :07:45.away because former IRA people are saying he was in the IRA and people
:07:46. > :07:49.close to him are saying he was in. It will be difficult for people like
:07:50. > :07:52.McGuinness to not keep on not answering. They are going to have to
:07:53. > :07:57.give an answer whether they like it or not.
:07:58. > :08:01.Looking ahead to the planned flag protest in Belfast on Saturday.
:08:02. > :08:05.Martin McGuinness was clear about who he thinks is organising that? He
:08:06. > :08:11.was clear with little evidence, I suspect. It is not a helpful
:08:12. > :08:17.intervention. This is the Deputy First Minister saying the people
:08:18. > :08:22.behind this are in the UVF and they are linked in with the Orange Order.
:08:23. > :08:27.It throw that in, was a stupid thing to do. Just as you look ahead to
:08:28. > :08:30.that. How do you think that situation might unfold? There were
:08:31. > :08:36.calls for those involved to think again and we know that John Kyle
:08:37. > :08:39.said in a private capacity today on BBC Radio Ulster, he thought a
:08:40. > :08:42.Saturday is not a day for a demonstration like that? He said
:08:43. > :08:45.that. That's what he said this morning and then he tweeted later
:08:46. > :08:49.that he would be going to the protest himself. Look, you have
:08:50. > :08:54.10,000 people coming into the centre of Belfast. It is not at wise thing
:08:55. > :08:59.to do at any time let alone when you are trying to tie it in with parades
:09:00. > :09:03.and other emotional issues. Alex Kane, thank you.
:09:04. > :09:07.It's one of the biggest sporting events held in Northern Ireland, but
:09:08. > :09:10.twice in the last three years the North West 200 has been cancelled
:09:11. > :09:14.because of poor weather. Today the Assembly passed the second stage of
:09:15. > :09:17.a motion that could allow racing on a Sunday if the Saturday is washed
:09:18. > :09:21.out. The motion was brought by the Regional Development Minister. Road
:09:22. > :09:24.racing events have value and contribute not only to the local
:09:25. > :09:29.economies, but to Northern Ireland as a hole. Both in terms of direct
:09:30. > :09:34.spend and the positive international media coverage arising from them.
:09:35. > :09:38.Road racing has become hugely popular with major international
:09:39. > :09:43.events such as the Ulster Grand Prix and the north-west 200 attracting
:09:44. > :09:47.thousands of spectators. They also attract considerable sponsorship
:09:48. > :09:52.from major international companies, often and within the automotive and
:09:53. > :09:59.related industries. That sponsorship and the events which they support
:10:00. > :10:04.would be put in doubt if more ka cannot be done to ensure that races
:10:05. > :10:10.can be rescheduled as they are in the Isle of Man when bad weather
:10:11. > :10:15.prevents them taking place. The road races Amendment Bill is
:10:16. > :10:18.straightforward. It has a single clause and a single purpose to
:10:19. > :10:22.introduce flexibility into existing road racing arrangements. My
:10:23. > :10:28.department received almost 900 responses to the public consultation
:10:29. > :10:33.on the Bill and 92% of respond arnts ents were in support of its aims. It
:10:34. > :10:42.is good for the economy. Good for sport in Northern Ireland and
:10:43. > :10:50.indeed, good for tourism. And we, the committee, support the Bill. Can
:10:51. > :10:58.I turn now to some party remarks leaving my chair's hat behind, Mr
:10:59. > :11:01.Principal Deputy Speaker? It is important to balance the rights of
:11:02. > :11:07.the local community and indeed churches. I think that is something
:11:08. > :11:15.that everyone within the committee within this House would want to do
:11:16. > :11:20.in relation to any Bills. Coleraine is not the affluent place that
:11:21. > :11:26.people think it is. There is a short tourist season and especially during
:11:27. > :11:31.the years of the troubles, it was very difficult to fill beds and
:11:32. > :11:36.today, I think we're privileged that we have this event along with a few
:11:37. > :11:42.others that sustains the tourist industry. Not just in Coleraine and
:11:43. > :11:48.Portrush and Portstewart, but beyond it. I do support the principle of
:11:49. > :11:53.the Bill in this instance. There has to be a flexibility because of the
:11:54. > :11:58.economic benefit that that has to the entire region. Indeed, if we had
:11:59. > :12:01.a repeat of what happened in the past three years, it would be my
:12:02. > :12:04.contention that a lot of people would not come back, a lot of our
:12:05. > :12:08.visitors particularly from England and Scotland and the Continent who
:12:09. > :12:11.have come over and who invested hugely for many of these people,
:12:12. > :12:16.that's their only holiday of the year and they come and they are
:12:17. > :12:19.relatively wealthy and affluent people and they part with their
:12:20. > :12:26.money during their time that they are here.
:12:27. > :12:38.Churchgoers have rights too. Yes, I have a house on that circuit. Yes, I
:12:39. > :12:47.am a churchgoer. Yes, I fail I have an entitlement to exercise my right
:12:48. > :12:51.to go to church. Why should I or anyone else who feels entitled to
:12:52. > :13:02.exercise that right be suddenly told on 24 hours notice, " Sorry, your
:13:03. > :13:06.right has been trumped." Because the public road that you use to travel
:13:07. > :13:10.to church won't be available to you." Jim Allister voicing his
:13:11. > :13:13.opposition to allowing Sunday racing at the North West 200.
:13:14. > :13:16.Farmers are facing huge fines for mistakes made in claiming the Single
:13:17. > :13:19.Farm Payment, a subsidy paid to farmers by the Department of
:13:20. > :13:22.Agriculture. A motion, proposed by the DUP, claimed there's a rising
:13:23. > :13:26.number of reviews of decisions regarding the payment and called on
:13:27. > :13:36.the Agriculture Minister to make sure adequate resources are in place
:13:37. > :13:43.to process all cases. Our off office staff found a body of work coming to
:13:44. > :13:51.us by way of review of single farm payments. If a farm made an over
:13:52. > :13:55.declaration or made some other failure they are fined. In one case,
:13:56. > :14:01.we have been dealing with a young man who took over the farm business
:14:02. > :14:06.after the sudden death of his father. He is facing losing well
:14:07. > :14:10.over ?15,000 of this year's single farm payment because of some
:14:11. > :14:17.confusion over three cattle tags. For stage one reviews, in 2011 the
:14:18. > :14:26.time taken to process a stage one application from receipt to decision
:14:27. > :14:33.issued averaged now, I say ampling averaged at 263 calendar days. In
:14:34. > :14:41.2012, the average was 186 calendar days and in 2013, the average is 205
:14:42. > :14:47.calendar days. Stage two, in 2011 the time taken to process a stage
:14:48. > :14:57.two application from receipt to decision issued averaged at 975
:14:58. > :15:09.calendar days. In 2012, the ampling average 1083 and in 2013 to date,
:15:10. > :15:13.the average is 612 calendar days. This procedure is meant to ensure
:15:14. > :15:31.the department acted in accordance with the relevant EU regulation. The
:15:32. > :15:35.review process is falling below this standard. A farmer's wife called
:15:36. > :15:40.into my office last Wednesday to explain the extreme distress and
:15:41. > :15:47.worry that she has for her husband because of a request from DARD that
:15:48. > :15:53.he repay 100% of his 2012 single farm payment. In their case, just
:15:54. > :15:59.under ?14,000. She is worried for the mental health of her husband as
:16:00. > :16:03.a result of this request. This is a huge weight hanging over this young
:16:04. > :16:09.farming family. They have 150 cattle on their farm. And have told me they
:16:10. > :16:13.will soon be unable to receive meal deliveries. I rise to support the
:16:14. > :16:19.motion and would register an interest in single farm payment. The
:16:20. > :16:23.service given to me by the department has been first class, but
:16:24. > :16:28.I am not a recipient of thousands or hundreds of acres. I am sure the
:16:29. > :16:34.minister is disappointed at these lengthy waits and will be doing all
:16:35. > :16:39.in our power to ensure that vast improvements are carried out.
:16:40. > :16:47.The 2013 single farm payment year, there were 37,633 applicants and 65%
:16:48. > :16:52.of these were submitted in the first two weeks of May. The first two
:16:53. > :16:58.weeks of May or the last two weeks of the application period and that
:16:59. > :17:03.equates to 24661 applications landing in Orchard House. 20.4% of
:17:04. > :17:08.these were completed online which the maths will state that 80% of
:17:09. > :17:12.farmers still don't complete them online and that's something which
:17:13. > :17:16.needs to be addressed. It takes ten weeks to scan and key in the data
:17:17. > :17:24.from all of these applications and there are over 50,000 errors
:17:25. > :17:29.identified in the first validation. Additional staff have been seconded
:17:30. > :17:33.to the team to assist with clearing the backlog. 272 cases have been
:17:34. > :17:39.cleared and the current case load has been more than halved to 117
:17:40. > :17:43.over the last five months. In 2012, I secured additional resources for
:17:44. > :17:49.stage two team, while additional staff were brought into the team
:17:50. > :17:52.because of the number of dup mri kate fee cases and the impact of
:17:53. > :18:00.these staff have not been realised as work was focussed on clearing the
:18:01. > :18:03.long-standing cases. This year we have finalised 63 cases and that's
:18:04. > :18:08.in line with the target that was given to the committee back in
:18:09. > :18:11.October. The Agriculture Minister, Michelle
:18:12. > :18:17.O'Neill, and the motion passed on an oral vote. Back to Question Time and
:18:18. > :18:19.the Employment and Learning Minister, Stephen Farry, where
:18:20. > :18:22.apprenticeships, youth unemployment and the prospects of a rural
:18:23. > :18:27.university were all on the agenda. Can the minister give us an update
:18:28. > :18:32.on his plans for a rural university? The member is referring to project
:18:33. > :18:36.ten within the higher education strategy. And we are in discussions
:18:37. > :18:42.with a number of different providers in that regard. I am sure the member
:18:43. > :18:47.could guess which ones those would be given the rural aspect of this
:18:48. > :18:52.particular project. What this is about is opening up access to people
:18:53. > :18:56.to higher education provision and having particularly in mind those
:18:57. > :19:01.who may well experience barriers and perhaps those who are studying
:19:02. > :19:05.part-time and trying to balance work maybe those who are best placed to
:19:06. > :19:11.take advantage of this. Discussions are on going and I would hope to
:19:12. > :19:18.make announcements within the next number of months. What measures are
:19:19. > :19:21.being put in place in ensure that university degrees are tailored to
:19:22. > :19:25.the needs of the economy so that people once they are qualified can
:19:26. > :19:29.get jobs, based upon the qualifications that they have? Those
:19:30. > :19:34.who invest in higher level skills are in the main much more likely to
:19:35. > :19:39.be in employment to sustain employment and to have higher levels
:19:40. > :19:43.of wages or salaries. However, we do have issues regarding skills
:19:44. > :19:49.shortages and shortages of skills within our economy and often a
:19:50. > :19:52.general higher education or further education qualification particularly
:19:53. > :19:57.in the absence of work experience isn't enough to find and sustain
:19:58. > :20:05.employment. That's why in the short run, we are putting such an emphasis
:20:06. > :20:11.on work experience including for recent graduates in order to address
:20:12. > :20:17.the needs of unemployed graduates, but I come back to the point around
:20:18. > :20:23.apprenticeships, apprenticeships need to be seen not as a secondary
:20:24. > :20:28.alternative to people going to university. It could be seen as a
:20:29. > :20:33.viable choice for someone with good A-levels. 63,000 young people
:20:34. > :20:38.between the ages of 18 and 4 never had a -- 24 never had a job. When
:20:39. > :20:48.does the minister think his schemes will result in jobs for these young
:20:49. > :20:54.people? In particular because we have placed such a is heavy emphasis
:20:55. > :20:58.fond upon the community and voluntary sector to tackle the issue
:20:59. > :21:04.of those who are perhaps furthest from the labour market. Our claimant
:21:05. > :21:09.count in terms youth unemployment is falling. Notwithstanding the fact
:21:10. > :21:13.that the Labour Force Survey can bounce up and down. It is worth
:21:14. > :21:17.stressing that the performance in terms of our youth employment scheme
:21:18. > :21:21.in Northern Ireland, even though we started it later is significantly
:21:22. > :21:26.better than the performance of the youth contract in the rest of the
:21:27. > :21:31.UK. And that does show the advantage of devolution in action where we can
:21:32. > :21:36.shape the nature of schemes to suit our local circumstances. Can I ask
:21:37. > :21:41.the minister if he might look at and his department might look at end
:21:42. > :21:46.suring that careers add -- ensuring that careers advisers are skilled up
:21:47. > :21:56.in the CAE system as well as the UCAS system? The member touches on a
:21:57. > :21:59.key issue. This is not about us directing students to Great Britain
:22:00. > :22:06.or to the Republic of Ireland, but ensuring that they are informed of
:22:07. > :22:09.the choices. We are not sending as many students southwards that are
:22:10. > :22:15.coming from the south to the north. So there is scope for an expansion
:22:16. > :22:19.in terms of student flows in both directions, but for that to happen,
:22:20. > :22:22.we need to have proper information around university admissions. It is
:22:23. > :22:26.more than simply a case of the knowledge of how the system works,
:22:27. > :22:33.there is the issue about the recognition of qualifications which
:22:34. > :22:40.is an ongoing source of contention between the two jurisdictions.
:22:41. > :22:43.The Employment and Learning Minister, Stephen Farry. That issue
:22:44. > :22:46.of how A-level grades are recognised in the Republic was also touched on
:22:47. > :22:50.by the Education Minister today. John O'Dowd was reporting back to
:22:51. > :22:52.the chamber on the most recent North and South Ministerial Council
:22:53. > :22:58.meeting on education. The Minister also updated MLAs on a range of
:22:59. > :23:02.cross-border initiatives. We welcome the continuing support through maths
:23:03. > :23:07.weeks and books Ireland. We noted the work of the educational under
:23:08. > :23:13.achievement working group has been reviewed and the group will have an
:23:14. > :23:19.intended educational outcome. The group will focus on three strands of
:23:20. > :23:23.work. International branch marking studies, school based and social
:23:24. > :23:30.interventions to address educational under achievement and the impact of
:23:31. > :23:39.pre-school placements on prary level performance. I welcome this change
:23:40. > :23:45.of focus. We note that work is on going between the education and
:23:46. > :23:50.training inspectorate on the production of two inspector reports.
:23:51. > :23:55.Provision of post primary level and numeracy level at post primary
:23:56. > :24:04.level. Moving on to teachers qualifications, both departments are
:24:05. > :24:15.progressing. A decision taken by the teaching council Ireland in December
:24:16. > :24:19.2012 has now been implemented. Both teaching councils continue to work
:24:20. > :24:24.to simplify assessments of qualifications of teachers for the
:24:25. > :24:31.purpose of registration with the teaching council Ireland. What I
:24:32. > :24:34.don't see on the list is a clear and consistent academic standard of
:24:35. > :24:41.assessment in primary schools. Something which maybe that group
:24:42. > :24:44.could look at with regard to the entire island because there is an
:24:45. > :24:48.issue there which I have come across myself with people moving up into
:24:49. > :24:53.Northern Ireland and then secondary schools struggle to understand their
:24:54. > :24:57.achievement levels when they get here and I have no doubt that works
:24:58. > :25:03.in reverse as well. Maybe that's something this group could look at,
:25:04. > :25:11.minister. We want to have a situation where whether it be
:25:12. > :25:17.teacher qualifications or student qualifications that are students are
:25:18. > :25:20.able to travel and students are able to understand each other's
:25:21. > :25:28.qualifications. Was there any discussion about the devaluing of
:25:29. > :25:36.the A-level grade in respect of applications made to Irish third
:25:37. > :25:45.level colleges through the central admissions office? I am confident of
:25:46. > :25:49.Mr Quinn's support. Minister Quinn wishes to see this matter resolved.
:25:50. > :25:55.The authorities in Ireland refused to recognise and give full points to
:25:56. > :26:02.the A-level qualifications or the A star qualification how the points
:26:03. > :26:06.systems work pose a disadvantage. Because you require 600 points to
:26:07. > :26:11.get into the some of the yufrts. They only award 150 points to an
:26:12. > :26:17.A-level. Most of our students only study three A-levels. Therefore,
:26:18. > :26:21.they are at disadvantage. It is an issue that's been raised time and
:26:22. > :26:27.time again. M are qip is supportive of our -- minister Quinn is
:26:28. > :26:34.supportive of our position and continuing discussions need to be
:26:35. > :26:37.brought to bear on the universities. The Education Minister said the
:26:38. > :26:39.refusal of universities in the Republic of Ireland to fully
:26:40. > :26:41.recognise A-levels had been discussed "time and time again", on
:26:42. > :27:02.26th November 2013. Alex Kane is with me.
:27:03. > :27:06.There has not been much legislation coming through? I can't think of
:27:07. > :27:09.anything that's come through. I think a lot of decision have been
:27:10. > :27:21.made, Peter Robinson said, a lot of decisions had been made, but none of
:27:22. > :27:26.them required - a lot of them have been put in the long grass. A lot of
:27:27. > :27:31.that will happen over the next two years because the election cycle has
:27:32. > :27:36.started. It was interesting to see the DUP backing racing. That would
:27:37. > :27:40.have been unimaginable a couple of years ago? It might have been
:27:41. > :27:43.unimaginable as 2007. They are having to change. The fact they will
:27:44. > :27:46.come into television studios on a Sunday and radio studios on a
:27:47. > :27:50.Sunday, they are realising if they want to keep the impact, if they
:27:51. > :27:56.want to attract voters they have to look like a normal modern party. A
:27:57. > :28:01.final word on Scottish independence. That debate will be watched closely
:28:02. > :28:07.here? There is more chance of me growing a full head of hair than the
:28:08. > :28:14.Scots voting in favour of independence, but it will be
:28:15. > :28:18.watched. It will be one to watch. The unionists should stay out. It is
:28:19. > :28:22.going nowhere. The Scots will vote with their hearts. You this I there
:28:23. > :28:28.is no need for them to get involved. Do you think they will be able to
:28:29. > :28:32.resist the temptation? You can guarantee unionist will get involved
:28:33. > :28:36.and say the wrong thing. It is not a cause they need to get involved in.
:28:37. > :28:39.They don't need to ral crisis behind the Conservatives Dunkirk rally
:28:40. > :28:48.behind the Conservatives. They can sit back and enjoy it.
:28:49. > :28:54.Thank you very much indeed. That's it for tonight.
:28:55. > :28:57.Don't forget to join me for The View on Thursday night at 10.35pm on BBC
:28:58. > :29:00.One. For now, bye-bye.