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:00:32. > :00:35.Hello and welcome to Stormont Today where nothing causes division quite

:00:35. > :00:37.like the issue of unity. And it's the Ulster Unionists who are

:00:37. > :00:43.getting themselves into a bind with David McNarry cast into the

:00:43. > :00:52.wilderness. And a leader who's unrepentant. Clearly once you see

:00:52. > :01:02.someone talk about the possibility in the future of the DUP Golding

:01:02. > :01:07.

:01:07. > :01:11.beat First -- holding the First Minister's post it is beyond a joke.

:01:11. > :01:18.From a new position in the chamber, Mr McNarry can still see the funny

:01:18. > :01:23.side. It is called on this side of the house, if there is anything you

:01:23. > :01:26.can do to warm it up I would be very grateful. And we talk Irish

:01:26. > :01:29.language and ask where is the promised Irish language Act? So is

:01:29. > :01:33.David McNarry a scapegoat for unhappiness in the UUP ranks? Did

:01:33. > :01:35.he get what he deserved or did he over-react? We'll hear from him in

:01:35. > :01:38.a moment. But first, our political correspondent Martina Purdy spoke

:01:38. > :01:45.to Tom Elliott this afternoon. She began by asking him what it was

:01:45. > :01:51.about the Belfast Telegraph interview that had annoyed him.

:01:51. > :01:58.Ulster Unionist Party have been calling for better it union --

:01:58. > :02:02.unity in the party. David McNarry had intimated to me that he was

:02:02. > :02:08.carrying out an interview with the Belfast Telegraph the following day

:02:08. > :02:13.and I said to him to use the line issued on the press statement but

:02:13. > :02:20.unfortunately he went above and beyond that. There was no way he

:02:20. > :02:26.was not talking to the DUP. He was the liaison officer. He went beyond

:02:26. > :02:32.his remit. A what specifically did he say to upset the party? The area

:02:32. > :02:37.I wanted to deal with was to ensure that members were informed of any

:02:37. > :02:42.talks or progress so that they would not read it in the media.

:02:42. > :02:47.Just a few days before I had updated the party Executive on any

:02:48. > :02:52.discussions we were having with other parties and progress on the

:02:52. > :02:57.justice minister review. Clearly, once you see someone talk about the

:02:57. > :03:01.possibility in the future of the DUP holding the First Minister

:03:01. > :03:06.position and the Ulster Unionist Party holding the junior minister,

:03:06. > :03:13.that is way beyond the remit. used that line about junior

:03:13. > :03:20.ministers? That was a line he used. I think we need to be clear about

:03:20. > :03:25.this. David McNarry removed the deputy chair of the education

:03:25. > :03:30.committee. I did not remove the whip from him or suspend him. I

:03:30. > :03:33.have known him for a long time and a lot of our party members do not

:03:33. > :03:40.have the opportunity to have advised cheer or chairmanship of

:03:40. > :03:44.committee. All I was doing was the moving him in position. We did you

:03:44. > :03:49.first read the article? I was actually over in Scotland and I

:03:49. > :03:54.picked it up that morning and I saw it over in Scotland. Obviously I

:03:54. > :03:59.would not say I was surprised because to be fair to David, he

:03:59. > :04:03.phoned me the day he had done the interview and indicated and I think

:04:03. > :04:09.he realised my annoyance when he indicated some of the things he had

:04:09. > :04:12.said. I don't think he went into all be detail but he certainly gave

:04:12. > :04:17.me the brought out line and he certainly realised my annoyance

:04:17. > :04:25.even at that stage. When he phoned to tell you about the interview you

:04:25. > :04:35.were annoyed with him? Yes. David McNarry can give us his view of

:04:35. > :04:35.

:04:35. > :04:40.events. He says you went beyond your remit, is he right? I do not

:04:40. > :04:44.know what the remit is that he is talking about. I am sitting here

:04:44. > :04:48.talking to you and I have sat in this studio before talking to you

:04:48. > :04:53.and the remit as you lay down as the interviewer, I have no idea of

:04:53. > :04:58.what you will ask. Is anyone suggesting I would do an interview

:04:58. > :05:02.with a professional journalist of long-standing and tell them a

:05:03. > :05:08.parcel of lies in response to direct questions? I really do not

:05:08. > :05:14.do that. I am trained to dodge questions but I am never and never

:05:14. > :05:18.have gone into line to any member of the media. He seemed to have

:05:18. > :05:21.particular issue with the DUP First Minister and an Ulster Unionist

:05:21. > :05:26.junior minister, did that come off the top of your head or was that

:05:26. > :05:33.something discussed with Tom Eliot or other people you had been to

:05:33. > :05:39.talks with? Tom Eliot was well aware of that idea as you call it.

:05:39. > :05:44.It was an example and nothing else. An example of how corporation in

:05:44. > :05:48.the current Assembly might be displayed and that is all it was,

:05:48. > :05:53.an example. Surely you would have known there would be members of

:05:53. > :05:58.your party who would have all been the Belfast Telegraph on the Monday

:05:58. > :06:03.morning and be very surprised to read what they read. It was not my

:06:03. > :06:09.call to tell members of the Unionist Party. The issues that I

:06:09. > :06:15.was dealing with, I was dealing with as part of a panel. This

:06:15. > :06:21.novelty I have heard of a liaison officer is news to me. I was picked

:06:21. > :06:29.as part of a panel. I would use the word hand-picked by the leader as

:06:29. > :06:37.part of a panel of four are to go into these discussions. Four

:06:37. > :06:42.members of my party to be surprised, I have heard some of those who have

:06:42. > :06:48.expressed this surprise. Maybe they should be asking themselves, if

:06:48. > :06:52.they are so trusted by the leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, why

:06:52. > :06:58.were they left out of the loop? Why did they not know? It certainly was

:06:58. > :07:03.not my position to tell them. about these other members of the

:07:03. > :07:08.panel, who were they? I am not going to say, that would be unfair.

:07:08. > :07:13.I am not going to say who they are. I know who they are run by a quite

:07:13. > :07:17.clear who they are. Have they stood up for you in their discussions?

:07:17. > :07:22.do not know what discussions have taken place in my absence but what

:07:22. > :07:27.I do know is that in private they understand fully aware I am coming

:07:27. > :07:34.from. The understand my distress at what has happened and they would be,

:07:34. > :07:39.in my opinion, supportive. Have you over-reacted by resigning? He said

:07:39. > :07:43.it was only the committee chairmanship he was taking away.

:07:43. > :07:49.The committee chairmanship is important in terms that it is an

:07:49. > :07:55.office we hold as apartheid. I was greatly privileged to hold that

:07:55. > :08:00.deputy chairmanship. In many ways it is symbolic in that sense. In

:08:01. > :08:05.taking it away from me was nothing other than an outright punishment.

:08:05. > :08:11.I do not mind being punished if I have done something wrong. I have

:08:11. > :08:16.not done anything wrong and I have yet to hear anybody tell me,

:08:16. > :08:20.especially Tom Eliot, that I have done something wrong. But have you

:08:20. > :08:26.over-reacted? Surely you could stay within the party then, you did not

:08:26. > :08:33.have to a sign -- the resign from the Assembly group? The manner in

:08:33. > :08:41.which Tom be laid my sacking was on a mobile phone while driving a car.

:08:41. > :08:48.Now I have been a member of this party for quite a long time and

:08:48. > :08:55.there is a thing called respect. To really that news to me on his way

:08:55. > :09:05.to a meeting by mobile-phone seemed quite disrespectful. Do you think

:09:05. > :09:10.his leadership is vulnerable now? In terms of where Tom goes, the

:09:10. > :09:15.situation in the party for some time has been that there are two

:09:15. > :09:23.floating agendas. I have advised him to be cautious about those

:09:23. > :09:28.agendas. I have pointed out to him that those agendas are not loyal to

:09:28. > :09:33.him as I have been. They are not in the best interests of Unionism as I

:09:33. > :09:40.would be. He needs to be cautious. He has now made himself a prisoner

:09:40. > :09:45.of those two agendas. Which, I may say, are a separate agenda as by

:09:45. > :09:51.separate people. Has he backed the wrong horse? Could you bring him

:09:51. > :09:58.down in some way or attempt to do that? It is not a case of backing

:09:58. > :10:05.the wrong horse. True friends do not do what he has done. That just

:10:05. > :10:11.does not happen in my circle. what happens next? What is next for

:10:11. > :10:17.you? I am at work. My place of work is Stormont and my constituency

:10:17. > :10:24.office. I am out and about doing what and MLA does. This is my place

:10:24. > :10:31.of work and I am here. I intend to carry on with my work. Can you see

:10:31. > :10:35.yourself back in the fold, back in the Assembly party? I do not.

:10:35. > :10:44.think that is it, that is the end of the Ulster Unionist Party

:10:44. > :10:51.Assembly group? I will be very frank with you. I protected Tom in

:10:51. > :10:57.this storm. I am quite amazed about this story because it is not a

:10:57. > :11:02.story. The story that this is all about is the outcome. Will the two

:11:02. > :11:09.Unionist parties get together as I and many others wish or will they

:11:09. > :11:16.not? That is the outcome. That is still some distance away. I had

:11:16. > :11:24.protected Tom in spite of, and when I saw his reluctance, to say what

:11:24. > :11:29.was really happening, it is a question of honour as far as I am

:11:29. > :11:36.concerned. My integrity has been put into the public domain. I will

:11:36. > :11:42.fight to maintain my integrity. True friends, as they say, do not

:11:43. > :11:47.do what has been done to me. What will be your next step? My next

:11:47. > :11:52.step is the step I took to be where I found that called place in the

:11:52. > :11:58.Assembly. I hope I will warm it up a bit and I will continue with my

:11:58. > :12:03.work. Will you stand as an Ulster Unionist at the next election?

:12:03. > :12:07.next election is three or four macro years away. At this moment in

:12:07. > :12:12.time I know what I am doing tomorrow. Thank you for joining us

:12:12. > :12:14.tonight. You don't need to be a history buff to know that there are

:12:14. > :12:17.quite a few significant centenaries coming up. Titanic may not be

:12:17. > :12:20.controversial but the Ulster Convenant, the Easter Rising, the

:12:20. > :12:24.War of Independence and partition are likely to stir up debate. And

:12:24. > :12:28.it's up to the Culture minister to walk that tightrope. We'll hear her

:12:28. > :12:31.plans shortly. But first, it wasn't so long ago that the cattle disease

:12:31. > :12:35.brucelosis was rarely out of the farming headlines but things have

:12:35. > :12:45.come a long way in a short period of time as the Agriculture minister

:12:45. > :12:46.

:12:46. > :12:54.told members today. I am pleased to stay there are only four cases of

:12:54. > :13:02.this in 2011. Our last confirmed outbreak was on 14th July, 1920 11.

:13:02. > :13:06.Our conferment cared incidence rate is down to 0.045 %. There are only

:13:06. > :13:10.seven herds presently under restriction. I think that is a

:13:10. > :13:15.remarkable achievement and that figure may have been a lot lower if

:13:15. > :13:17.it had not been for the two infection hot spots that developed

:13:17. > :13:22.infection hot spots that developed back in 2010 which were

:13:22. > :13:27.attributable in part to reckless activities by some hared keepers.

:13:27. > :13:35.Despite all of that there is good progress. We should not be

:13:35. > :13:41.farmers report any abortion of their cattle. It is also important

:13:41. > :13:50.goodbye as security is maintained. Eradicating this by 2014 is one of

:13:50. > :14:00.our proposals in Government. Achieving the status of being free

:14:00. > :14:05.

:14:06. > :14:14.from this is our aim. Good news as well for her the new EU protected

:14:15. > :14:23.status region. The can I thank the Minister for her response and for

:14:23. > :14:31.giving the comfort spot on to the EU quality food list last week.

:14:31. > :14:36.These potatoes, and also local apples are all coming, it is

:14:36. > :14:41.positive for our industry. We will the Department celebrate,

:14:41. > :14:45.commemorate or obliterate? So it never can centenaries and events

:14:45. > :14:51.during the decade ahead provide us all with the opportunity to gain a

:14:51. > :15:01.greater understanding of our shared past and how it shapes and identify

:15:01. > :15:01.

:15:01. > :15:09.his relations today. My department is refunding its Ulster Covenant

:15:09. > :15:16.resource in historic content. A BBC programme will be transmitted in

:15:16. > :15:22.September of this year. There will be a Belfast City Council

:15:22. > :15:27.exhibition opened in City Hall this August. Exhibitions and talks on

:15:27. > :15:34.the covenant are being planned by museums and libraries. I am

:15:34. > :15:44.supportive of these plans to hold a lecture series exploring historical

:15:44. > :15:49.content of the period 1812 to 1922. I am not exactly overwhelmed by

:15:49. > :15:54.that answer. We are entering an important phase in the history of

:15:54. > :16:04.Northern Ireland. We are leading up to the foundation of Northern

:16:04. > :16:09.

:16:09. > :16:13.Ireland. We can celebrate the fact that we as an integral party of the

:16:13. > :16:23.United Kingdom has survived 100 years and intend to survive another

:16:23. > :16:30.

:16:30. > :16:38.The list of events is conclusive. It is not triumphalist. It is

:16:38. > :16:44.inclusive. We are trying to build better relations. Not beating

:16:44. > :16:48.chests. So, if the member is genuine about the events and we

:16:48. > :16:56.hope to bring forward over the next decade, I would be happy to write

:16:56. > :17:05.to him. Language and the strategies for Irish and Ulster has Scotts.

:17:05. > :17:12.The Executive has included a strategy for the Irish language.

:17:13. > :17:18.The programme for government is for consultation. Following the

:17:18. > :17:26.consideration of responses, I would intend to set out a timetable on

:17:26. > :17:36.both strategies. I am committed to taking this forward with the 1990

:17:36. > :17:36.

:17:36. > :17:41.Nate -- 1998 Act. It aims to protect the language and culture.

:17:41. > :17:47.Will the minister ensure the strategy is meet the needs of the

:17:47. > :17:50.languages and concentrate on how they will be funded? I cannot give

:17:50. > :17:57.the members assurance in terms of when the consultation has started

:17:57. > :18:04.that it will be a robust consultation and that I can give --

:18:04. > :18:09.I can give them. They will have to decide what funding they wish to

:18:09. > :18:14.allocate. The fact it is included as an Executive building block

:18:14. > :18:21.within the draft programme, I would expect colleagues to ensure funds

:18:21. > :18:24.are in place. There language strategy it should be sorted soon,

:18:24. > :18:32.but what about the Irish Language Act?

:18:32. > :18:38.The culture post was held by three DUP in the previous mandate. It is

:18:38. > :18:44.now held by Sinn Fein. I you encouraged by what you heard from

:18:44. > :18:49.the culture minister? The minister has made stronger and clear

:18:49. > :18:53.statement since she took up the post. In many ways, there have been

:18:53. > :18:59.more positive references to the Irish language in that short period

:18:59. > :19:04.of time than in the previous three years. It is welcome. There are

:19:05. > :19:09.stumbling blocks in front of any process to end that the Irish

:19:09. > :19:16.language. The Irish Language Act was a commitment given by the

:19:16. > :19:23.British Government so. Even if Stormont were willing to bring it

:19:24. > :19:28.in tomorrow, there would be issues they could not legislate on because

:19:28. > :19:32.if issues such as broadcasting. There will always need to be

:19:32. > :19:36.pressure coming from those at Assembly level who are sympathetic

:19:36. > :19:42.to the Irish language and who understand the reality of the

:19:42. > :19:47.situation. For people who do not know about the area, what practical

:19:47. > :19:54.difference to the Irish language speakers with the act make?

:19:54. > :19:59.Irish Language Act, if it is strong enough, if it is based on rights,

:19:59. > :20:05.will clarify the duties of government and the public sector in

:20:05. > :20:09.relation to Irish speakers. It will clarify what we can expect to have

:20:09. > :20:15.and what services and what timescale that will be done. It

:20:15. > :20:22.will cut-out frustration and time wasting and uncertainty that

:20:22. > :20:28.currently exists. It will enable the state to make strategies and

:20:28. > :20:33.put in place measures that it can bring in over a period of time.

:20:33. > :20:38.you concerned about the financial aspect? For some departments, it

:20:38. > :20:48.may seem further down the list given the straitened times?

:20:48. > :20:49.

:20:49. > :20:59.Tsar areas, -- who these are areas where the language -- Irish

:20:59. > :20:59.

:20:59. > :21:03.Language Act will cut across. Irish speakers are saying we pay taxes

:21:03. > :21:09.and we need to have a share of services that can meet the needs we

:21:09. > :21:15.have. Up until now we have been excluded. Those need can be met

:21:15. > :21:19.without the necessary huge -- necessarily huge additional cost.

:21:19. > :21:24.The ongoing detention of Marion Price he was return to prison last

:21:24. > :21:28.year was the main debate in the chamber. This motion called on the

:21:28. > :21:34.Justice Minister to press the Secretary of State to review his

:21:34. > :21:44.decision. There was no support from the Unionist pensioners, despite

:21:44. > :21:44.

:21:44. > :21:54.the best efforts of SDLP to convince them otherwise. It was not

:21:54. > :21:54.

:21:54. > :21:59.subject to the licence. The Secretary of State cannot find

:21:59. > :22:04.written details. Mr Speaker, I make the point clearly. There is

:22:04. > :22:08.something suspicious when the Northern Ireland Office cannot find

:22:08. > :22:14.the document. They are either withholding it or too embarrassed

:22:14. > :22:17.to share it. The Justice Minister of master raised this about

:22:17. > :22:23.processes within the prison system that are bought into doubt with

:22:23. > :22:29.this case. This community is content that people abide by the

:22:29. > :22:35.law. When they break the law, they serve their sentence until released.

:22:35. > :22:41.Marion Price were sentence for matters almost 40 years ago. She is

:22:41. > :22:46.in prison and has been treated appropriately. Hopefully, at some

:22:46. > :22:51.point in the future, the sentences and regime that will bring charges

:22:51. > :22:59.will do so and we can see the outcome of the judicial system but

:22:59. > :23:04.the judicial system at the moment should seek its course. I note with

:23:04. > :23:10.concern the continuing detention. But I am not convinced I should

:23:10. > :23:16.have particular concern. I am told she is vulnerable. Perhaps being in

:23:16. > :23:21.prison is the best place at times for vulnerable people. People mix

:23:21. > :23:29.up justice, sometimes mercy with revenge. What I her it was large

:23:29. > :23:37.doses of revenge. Bear this in mind, this woman was released in prison

:23:37. > :23:43.in 1980. -- from prison. 32 years later, 31 years later, she is

:23:43. > :23:48.returned to prison. The person has no right to challenge the basis on

:23:48. > :23:52.which her licence was revoked. will do everything to ensure she is

:23:52. > :23:57.treated in a way that meets her needs, recognising she is in a

:23:57. > :24:01.specific position as the sole category a woman prisoner in

:24:01. > :24:06.Northern Ireland. I will not interfere with due process as it

:24:06. > :24:11.lies to the commissioners, the responsibilities they have and the

:24:11. > :24:17.secretary of state has exercised. Back to the main story. The row in

:24:17. > :24:25.the Ulster Unionist Party. You heard what David McNarry said. What

:24:25. > :24:29.you make of it? My head is full of claims and counter claims. What I

:24:29. > :24:36.think is happening is there is a clear power struggle within the

:24:36. > :24:41.party. You heard David McNarry talk about two agendas. I think he means

:24:41. > :24:48.that those who want to go into our position and seize control of the

:24:48. > :24:58.party and those who want to stay in government and work co-operatively.

:24:58. > :24:59.

:24:59. > :25:04.Is David McNarry a casualty? Will Tom Elliott for? -- fall down. It

:25:04. > :25:09.is confusing. Tom Elliott spoke about a liaison officer. David

:25:09. > :25:15.McNarry spoke about a panel. He is not spelling out what he means. Now

:25:15. > :25:20.back to Tom Elliott, to ask if the panel exists. These questions will

:25:20. > :25:26.run. I think Tom Elliott giving a substantial of interview, I think

:25:26. > :25:32.he hoped it would go away but I do not think it will. He was decisive

:25:32. > :25:36.about being seen as leading and taking a disciplinarian approach.

:25:36. > :25:43.Other people in the party have talked to the media and they have

:25:43. > :25:48.not had this happen, where they are demoted from a role. It is �6,000.

:25:48. > :25:55.Most of us would not like to lose a job like that. I put it to Tom

:25:55. > :25:58.Elliott, if my boss is upset with me, I do not think it would take

:25:58. > :26:04.him five days to reprimand me and I do not think I would be shocked

:26:04. > :26:09.when it came, in the way David McNarry says he was shocked. If Tom

:26:09. > :26:15.Elliott is saying he is punished because of the line where he talked

:26:15. > :26:20.about a DUP First Minister and Ulster Unionist junior minister, he

:26:20. > :26:24.said it was an idea. It underscores that David McNarry was not talking

:26:24. > :26:32.about a single party. He maintained he was talking about two parties

:26:32. > :26:37.working together. The plot will continue to thicken. There are

:26:37. > :26:42.people... I am hearing different things going on but it sounds like

:26:42. > :26:47.a power struggle. So far, David McNarry has been a casualty of it.

:26:48. > :26:54.Thank you. We can have a final word from Jan

:26:54. > :27:01.it. Where now for the campaign to get the Irish language act? Will

:27:01. > :27:06.held a major event in Stormont in November. We presented proposals

:27:06. > :27:12.the made in 2006. They were agreed proposals for what kind of shape

:27:12. > :27:18.and form the Irish Language Act should have. Those were re endorsed

:27:18. > :27:26.in November. We are Updating the proposals on education because of

:27:26. > :27:32.the growth in that period in education. And on the media,

:27:32. > :27:35.because of digital technologies and things like that. We will be

:27:35. > :27:40.publishing the 2012 version of the recommendations for the Irish

:27:40. > :27:46.Language Act. We will give that to the minister and we would hope it

:27:46. > :27:51.would influence the content of the bill to go before the Assembly, or

:27:51. > :28:00.to go to Westminster, whichever is appropriate. We realistically, what

:28:00. > :28:04.is your best guess, what year? commitment was given in 2006. Since

:28:04. > :28:08.that time three major bodies have spoken about what has happened and

:28:08. > :28:15.the way the commitment has not been fulfilled. United Nations, Council