:00:19. > :00:21.Hello and welcome to The Election Wrap, your our guide
:00:22. > :00:24.to all the campaign news of the day and inevitably security,
:00:25. > :00:30.When you've been Home Secretary for a record breaking six
:00:31. > :00:33.years you leave a paper trail of policies.
:00:34. > :00:35.Well Theresa May has had to defend her record
:00:36. > :00:37.on keeping us all safe, after Jeremy Corbyn backed
:00:38. > :00:45.Tim Farron and Nicola Sturgeon will be grilled this evening
:00:46. > :00:47.by a Question Time audience in Scotland, and security,
:00:48. > :00:51.As the Tories set their sights on making substantial gains
:00:52. > :00:54.across the Midlands, we look at two key battle grounds -
:00:55. > :01:02.in Cheltenham and Birmingham Edgbaston.
:01:03. > :01:05.From a landslide Tory majority to a hung parliament,
:01:06. > :01:07.polls seem to be making all sorts of contradictory calls.
:01:08. > :01:11.But do you think they are science or do you think they are fiction?
:01:12. > :01:19.And mulling all this over - my guests the Guardian
:01:20. > :01:28.columnist Owen Jones, and Katy Balls of the Spectator.
:01:29. > :01:32.Let's bring you up to date with the latest from the campaign
:01:33. > :01:34.trail, and understandably, the focus has been on preventing
:01:35. > :01:36.future terrorist attacks, after the grim events
:01:37. > :01:41.Jeremy Corbyn's been campaigning in the north-east,
:01:42. > :01:43.saying he'd back calls for the Prime Minister
:01:44. > :01:48.That she was responsible as Home Secretary,
:01:49. > :01:51.But he clarified his comments in an interview
:01:52. > :01:57.What I'm saying is there is an election on now, there's a choice
:01:58. > :02:04.I'm articulating what is a deep anger amongst those people
:02:05. > :02:07.that have seen 20,000 police officers lose their jobs and
:02:08. > :02:10.firefighters lose their jobs, seeing ambulance crews unable to cope with
:02:11. > :02:14.I think she as Home Secretary needs to
:02:15. > :02:17.think about what she did when she was Home Secretary.
:02:18. > :02:22.Let's be very clear, there is an election on,
:02:23. > :02:27.everybody has a choice and a lot of people
:02:28. > :02:29.are very angry and a lot of
:02:30. > :02:32.people would have wanted her to resign were she still the Home
:02:33. > :02:36.The choice is going to be made on Thursday by the people of
:02:37. > :02:39.But Theresa May, in Edinburgh with the Scottish Conservative
:02:40. > :02:41.leader Ruth Davidson, defended her record,
:02:42. > :02:44.We have been protecting counterterrorism police, we've
:02:45. > :02:49.provided funding for an uplift in armed policing.
:02:50. > :02:51.We have, from 2015, been protecting police budgets, like
:02:52. > :02:54.The Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn's front bench, said police
:02:55. > :02:58.We said, no, we're going to protect those budgets.
:02:59. > :03:01.But it's also about the powers that you give to the police.
:03:02. > :03:04.And I have been responsible through a number of pieces of
:03:05. > :03:07.legislation that I have introduced, to give extra powers to the police
:03:08. > :03:10.Jeremy Corbyn has boasted that he is opposed every piece
:03:11. > :03:18.of anti-terror legislation since he came into Parliament.
:03:19. > :03:21.But it wasn't just Labour Mrs May had to fend off.
:03:22. > :03:25.The Lib Dem leader Tim Farron, took time off preparing
:03:26. > :03:27.breakfast in a cafe, to take aim at the PM,
:03:28. > :03:36.This is a point that we look at how we keep our country and our people
:03:37. > :03:41.safe and as things stand we have a Prime Minister who told off the
:03:42. > :03:45.police for saying that they were crying wolf, and that was at the
:03:46. > :03:50.time when she was responsible for making cuts in our police numbers,
:03:51. > :03:54.in every part of our country, and today she stands and says enough is
:03:55. > :03:58.enough. Well, enough was enough the first time this happened. This is
:03:59. > :04:01.the moment we stand behind our police and security services, the
:04:02. > :04:05.one thing we know will make us safer is investing in our police.
:04:06. > :04:12.And Scotland's First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, has weighed in,
:04:13. > :04:17.I think Theresa May has to outline what she thinks it means. Nobody can
:04:18. > :04:21.escape the fact that Theresa May has been Home Secretary for the past
:04:22. > :04:24.number of years before she was Prime Minister. She presided over
:04:25. > :04:29.significant cuts in policing in England, and there is lots of
:04:30. > :04:33.concern about that. Security is one of the most important priorities for
:04:34. > :04:37.any government. Scotland are not immune from these threats. We have
:04:38. > :04:40.invested to maintain police numbers and we have seen in recent times and
:04:41. > :04:42.increase in the numbers of trained armed police officers we have got.
:04:43. > :04:45.While the Ukip leader, Paul Nuttall, says the issue of police numbers,
:04:46. > :04:57.I think she has got it wrong over the police cuts and also she has got
:04:58. > :05:01.it wrong over border guard cuts and cuts to the prison Service. I'm not
:05:02. > :05:04.sure these comments have much legitimacy coming from somebody like
:05:05. > :05:08.Jeremy Corbyn, somebody who has called Hamas and Hezbollah his
:05:09. > :05:10.friends, to attack Theresa May on the issue of terrorism is a weak
:05:11. > :05:17.point for Jeremy Corbyn. Katie and Owen are with us. It has
:05:18. > :05:22.been a fascinating debate today on this whole security issue after the
:05:23. > :05:26.terrible events of the weekend because we have two leaders who have
:05:27. > :05:33.taken two different aspects of the debate, policing numbers, and the
:05:34. > :05:37.powers of the police. Both leaders are running away from their past and
:05:38. > :05:42.their comments and their policies in relation to those two issues. I
:05:43. > :05:45.don't think the Conservatives ever imagined they would be on the
:05:46. > :05:49.defence over security when the campaign started. By focusing on
:05:50. > :05:53.police numbers and police cuts Labour have put Theresa May on the
:05:54. > :05:58.back foot today and she is really having to explain why she made those
:05:59. > :06:03.decisions and what the link might be between police numbers and the
:06:04. > :06:07.recent attacks we have had. The powers of the police and comments
:06:08. > :06:14.Jeremy Corbyn has made in the past,... What do you mean by those
:06:15. > :06:18.comments? Comments saying his proud of the fact he has voted down
:06:19. > :06:22.anti-terror legislation. Theresa May voted against the anti-terror
:06:23. > :06:25.legislation as well. What people can conclude is that Theresa May has
:06:26. > :06:29.shown throughout this campaign she is a threat to national security and
:06:30. > :06:32.the two reasons for that either she has been Home Secretary for six of
:06:33. > :06:37.the last seven years in this country and in that period 20,000 police
:06:38. > :06:42.officers have lost their jobs. There has been a net reduction in overall
:06:43. > :06:50.of police numbers. She accused the police in 2015, not that long ago,
:06:51. > :06:53.of crying wolf and of scaremongering because of what they said would be
:06:54. > :06:56.the impact of those police cuts. That is one aspect which she has to
:06:57. > :06:59.be held to account for. The other is her alliance, she has tried to be
:07:00. > :07:05.ever closer to a Saudi dictatorship which is at the epicentre of
:07:06. > :07:08.which is a threat to national which is a threat to national
:07:09. > :07:10.security and the security of every single person watching this
:07:11. > :07:16.programme. I asked about Jeremy Corbyn.
:07:17. > :07:20.Can I be honest here, we have the entire British press at the moment
:07:21. > :07:26.ranged against the opposition leader. I am trying to redress the
:07:27. > :07:31.balance. Interns are Jeremy Corbyn, his record is twofold. One is
:07:32. > :07:33.opposing the cuts to the police numbers, which the Home Secretary
:07:34. > :07:37.and Prime Minister Theresa May is directly responsible for. She is
:07:38. > :07:41.responsible for reducing police numbers, Jeremy Corbyn opposed those
:07:42. > :07:44.cuts. The second point on the Saudi dictatorship which chops the heads
:07:45. > :07:48.off people for being gay, which chops the heads of people for being
:07:49. > :07:52.dissidents and treats women in the most abominable way possible and is
:07:53. > :07:55.exporting an ideology. In this country as well as other countries,
:07:56. > :08:02.which is a threat to national security. Owen! I want to hear
:08:03. > :08:07.Katie. Thank you very much. Say something. On police numbers there
:08:08. > :08:11.are two things, there is a question of do we have enough police on the
:08:12. > :08:14.streets of the UK? And the question is would more police have stopped
:08:15. > :08:18.the recent terror attacks? If you look at the one on Saturday it was
:08:19. > :08:21.within eight minutes the armed police were there since the first
:08:22. > :08:27.call. I don't know if more police would have me back quicker. But the
:08:28. > :08:36.bottom line for voters is that police numbers fell after 2010. So
:08:37. > :08:38.that is a difficult conundrum, isn't it? Definitely but I think what the
:08:39. > :08:41.Conservatives need to do and what they should be doing is talk about
:08:42. > :08:45.whether that is an issue in itself and also does that issue relate to
:08:46. > :08:50.these terror attacks? We had Lord Ki Lyle who has been very involved in
:08:51. > :08:52.terror legislation today who said it is a separate conversation than
:08:53. > :08:56.looking at whether it could have stopped the terror attacks. We had
:08:57. > :08:59.the army on our streets and the reason we have the army on our
:09:00. > :09:02.streets is because the police didn't have the resources to police the
:09:03. > :09:07.streets of this country in the aftermath of that horrendous bombing
:09:08. > :09:10.in Manchester. The truth is the police are asking, and have asked
:09:11. > :09:13.over and over again for more resources. The Metropolitan Police
:09:14. > :09:17.Commissioner Cressida Dick has to be careful about not intervening in a
:09:18. > :09:20.general election, went on radio this morning said they need more
:09:21. > :09:24.resources. Resources have been slashed and cut by Theresa May, Home
:09:25. > :09:28.Secretary and Prime Minister of this country, and it's not just police we
:09:29. > :09:32.are talking about, we are talking about armed police. Armed police
:09:33. > :09:37.have been reduced by about 1000 in the last few years. This morning a
:09:38. > :09:40.government minister went through a series of excruciating interviews
:09:41. > :09:45.because she refused to accept, or even answer the fact, that the last
:09:46. > :09:48.few years those armed police numbers have been slashed. The reality is as
:09:49. > :09:52.I have said people have to ask themselves a question. If the Prime
:09:53. > :09:57.Minister has systematically slashed police numbers and armed police
:09:58. > :10:03.numbers, and is kowtowing to a Saudi dictatorship which is exporting
:10:04. > :10:07.country and other countries, is she country and other countries, is she
:10:08. > :10:11.a threat herself to national security? The reason I ask is
:10:12. > :10:11.because today Steve Hilton, the former head of strategy for David
:10:12. > :10:13.Cameron, a conservative adviser, Cameron, a conservative adviser,
:10:14. > :10:21.demanded her resignation because of that. He is not a lefty. Steve
:10:22. > :10:24.Hilton is not... It's not that dramatic, is made a habit of going
:10:25. > :10:29.for his former colleagues, we saw him turn on David Cameron in the
:10:30. > :10:30.campaign. OK, we will rejoin you in a couple of minutes but first.
:10:31. > :10:33.One of the Conservatives' key election targets is in the Midlands.
:10:34. > :10:35.20 years ago Gisela Stuart won the Birmingham Edgbaston
:10:36. > :10:37.constituency for Labour, ending a century of Tory success.
:10:38. > :10:40.But now the prominent Leave campaigner is standing down,
:10:41. > :10:43.and the Conservatives are confident they can win it back,
:10:44. > :10:45.with a candidate who's the great-great granddaughter of one
:10:46. > :10:55.Kathryn Stanczyszyn, assesses her chances.
:10:56. > :11:03.When Edgbaston turned red in 1997 it hailed a new dawn for a new Labour.
:11:04. > :11:08.Gisela Stuart has held the seat for 20 years in the last two elections
:11:09. > :11:13.bucking the national trend but as she steps down, can Labour hang onto
:11:14. > :11:17.it? Due to her campaigning you have the hospital, investment in new
:11:18. > :11:23.Street station in the way it was. No matter what that's a Labour MP with
:11:24. > :11:27.Labour values, independent thinking for this constituency and that is
:11:28. > :11:30.what is required for this constituency, somebody independent,
:11:31. > :11:36.that's what they will get with me. Edgbaston was home to one of
:11:37. > :11:39.Birmingham's famous sons, a businessman and politician, and now
:11:40. > :11:43.his great, great granddaughter is determined to be one too. The polls
:11:44. > :11:46.have been buried in terms of what they think the chances are. The
:11:47. > :11:49.response I'm getting on the doorstep is positive, I'm meeting Labour
:11:50. > :11:52.voters who cannot stomach the idea of Jeremy Corbyn being Prime
:11:53. > :11:56.Minister of this country and they say they are prepared to switch.
:11:57. > :11:59.Edgbaston is the kind of seat people pay close attention to, particularly
:12:00. > :12:04.this time around when a popular MP is retiring. So what would it take
:12:05. > :12:13.for the Conservatives to turn this seat blue? In 2015 Gisela Stuart got
:12:14. > :12:16.18,500 votes compared to the Conservatives' 15,500, she doubled
:12:17. > :12:22.her majority but it still narrowed, just under 3000 in it. Edgbaston's
:12:23. > :12:27.four wards are diverse, Harborne and Edgbaston are fairly affluent, by
:12:28. > :12:32.the Green and Quinton less so, big employers include the hospital and
:12:33. > :12:37.university. Ukip are not standing but where the 10% of the vote goes
:12:38. > :12:40.will be crucial. History is likely to repeat itself, though, in the
:12:41. > :12:44.proud tradition of Edgbaston returning a woman, dating back to
:12:45. > :12:49.Edith Pitt and Gill might. It will be a defining victory, but for who?
:12:50. > :12:51.Kathryn Stanczyszyn, Midlands Today, Edgbaston.
:12:52. > :12:55.There are three other candidates standing in Birmingham Edgbaston,
:12:56. > :13:05.Tonight sees the last of the BBC's special Question Time programmes
:13:06. > :13:15.Tim Farron and Nicola Sturgen are in the hot seat,
:13:16. > :13:16.before a studio audience in Edinburgh.
:13:17. > :13:19.scheduled for yesterday, but was postponed after
:13:20. > :13:26.It has been a busy day for the parties and are Scotland's editor
:13:27. > :13:31.has been giving is a rundown ahead of tonight's event. It has been a
:13:32. > :13:34.busy couple of days of campaigning and two or three days until the
:13:35. > :13:38.election. Theresa May on about trust again, who do you trust to get the
:13:39. > :13:49.best deal on Brexit? Herself or Jeremy Corbyn. Conservative asked of
:13:50. > :13:52.-- activists gave a round of applause to her. She characterised
:13:53. > :13:56.herself as a passionate unionist, again making a point between Brexit
:13:57. > :13:59.and the union. Nicola Sturgeon saying the own way to stop the
:14:00. > :14:04.Tories who have had a damaging impact on this economy in Scotland,
:14:05. > :14:08.the way to bring them in was to stop the SNP. Kezia Dugdale said only
:14:09. > :14:14.Labour, only Jeremy Corbyn can oust Theresa May from Downing Street, in
:14:15. > :14:17.the same sort of thing about the strategy and tactical point. Tim
:14:18. > :14:22.Farron, Liberal Democrat leader, also in Scotland, saying the only
:14:23. > :14:28.plausible alternative to the SNP in Scotland is the Liberal Democrats
:14:29. > :14:32.and said that was true across many constituencies in the UK. Scotland
:14:33. > :14:38.political editor Brian Taylor. The debate is live on BBC One tonight at
:14:39. > :14:52.9pm and later on the news channel at midnight.
:14:53. > :14:54.Well one key reasons the Conservatives' gained
:14:55. > :14:56.an unlikely majority in the 2015 election, wasbecause of the stunning
:14:57. > :15:00.The Tories took 27 seats from Nick Clegg's party.
:15:01. > :15:03.Holding them this time round, could be key to staying in government.
:15:04. > :15:05.One of those seats is Cheltenham in Gloucestershire,
:15:06. > :15:08.where the Lib Dems will have to overturn a six and a half
:15:09. > :15:13.Ben Godfrey has been to the spa town, to check out the mood.
:15:14. > :15:16.At oak-wood children's Centre in Cheltenham they are bringing
:15:17. > :15:19.families together and the candidates to become the town's next MP need
:15:20. > :15:21.not look any further for a sense of unease about cuts to health and
:15:22. > :15:24.social care. When I first had him I started here and there was a group
:15:25. > :15:29.called best start and it has been stopped because there was a 52%
:15:30. > :15:32.budget cut. It's very much the NHS, we have great facilities here and it
:15:33. > :15:38.is making sure they continue, that is a big concern for me. The Lib
:15:39. > :15:43.Dems held Cheltenham between 1992 and 2015, it was a safe seat until
:15:44. > :15:47.the Conservatives took it with a 12% majority. And in case you are
:15:48. > :15:54.wondering, 56% voted to remain in the EU. But voters have been more
:15:55. > :15:58.engaged in issues around fair funding for schools and services at
:15:59. > :16:02.Cheltenham General Hospital. In 2013 under the conservative Liberal
:16:03. > :16:06.Democrat coalition government the A unit there was closed overnight
:16:07. > :16:11.and at weekends with serious cases being taken to Gloucester. 4-for
:16:12. > :16:15.potential Cheltenham MPs want a rethink and have different ideas
:16:16. > :16:19.about finding the money. Labour will put a massive increase in funding
:16:20. > :16:22.into the NHS, 37 billion over five years. We need to remove
:16:23. > :16:26.privatisation from the NHS because that's taking money out of the NHS
:16:27. > :16:30.through profit. We need to train doctors and nurses and pay them
:16:31. > :16:37.appropriately for what they do. We'd like to put a penny on income tax
:16:38. > :16:39.and get the cash into the NHS straightaway and enable local trusts
:16:40. > :16:42.like ours to make improvements like faster and better mental health
:16:43. > :16:45.services, and as a top priority to restore the Aimi. These ideas are
:16:46. > :16:49.pipe dreams unless there is a strong economy generating the tax revenues
:16:50. > :16:52.and that is why it is so vital to secure it under Theresa May. For the
:16:53. > :16:57.Liberal Democrats this seat is a must win to revive their political
:16:58. > :16:59.fortunes. Ben Godfrey, BBC Midlands today, Cheltenham.
:17:00. > :17:02.You may have been somewhat bemused by the opinion polls this weekend.
:17:03. > :17:05.A whole flurry came out - Opinium, ICM, YouGuv, you name it -
:17:06. > :17:07.predicting various leads for the Conservatives of anywhere
:17:08. > :17:14.Adam Fleming took his box of balls to London's South
:17:15. > :17:27.Meet the mighty mood box, used on our sister programme
:17:28. > :17:30.Daily Politics to find out what people really think.
:17:31. > :17:35.I'm taking it to London's Southbank Centre to ask people's
:17:36. > :17:44.And here's the question we're asking the great British public today.
:17:45. > :17:53.Opinion polls: are they science or fiction?
:17:54. > :17:56.On the day they never seem to come out as planned previously,
:17:57. > :18:02.so I think it's an element of fiction to it.
:18:03. > :18:06.OK, throw it back in then, very honest,
:18:07. > :18:11.Because what people say about what they are going to do
:18:12. > :18:13.isn't necessarily what they're going to do.
:18:14. > :18:15.Here's someone who juggles data for a living.
:18:16. > :18:23.What do you think about this as an opinion-gathering method?
:18:24. > :18:27.Well, as my idol Peter Snow would say it's just a bit of fun.
:18:28. > :18:31.When you're looking to do an accurate
:18:32. > :18:37.scientific poll you hope to
:18:38. > :18:43.accurately represent the population you're trying
:18:44. > :18:49.to survey in the sample that takes part in that survey.
:18:50. > :18:54.And so for instance you need the right
:18:55. > :18:56.number of old people, the right number of young people
:18:57. > :18:59.After the last election the professionals realised they
:19:00. > :19:02.didn't have the right number of Tory supporters and had spoken to too
:19:03. > :19:06.I think some people don't always say what they think.
:19:07. > :19:20.People lie. People lie?
:19:21. > :19:23.And why are different polling companies
:19:24. > :19:24.coming up with such different results?
:19:25. > :19:28.Usually you could come up with four or five
:19:29. > :19:31.reasons why pollsters are coming up with different numbers but on this
:19:32. > :19:34.occasion there is something quite straightforward going on, and it's
:19:35. > :19:37.whether or not you believe that young people and people who didn't
:19:38. > :19:40.turn out in the last general election in 2015, who now say that
:19:41. > :19:42.they're going to, whether they actually do.
:19:43. > :19:44.If you believe them then it's a closer race.
:19:45. > :19:46.Those pollsters who are saying it's a
:19:47. > :19:50.three or four point lead are more likely to be right.
:19:51. > :19:53.If, like me, and at ICM, you tend to be suspicious of
:19:54. > :19:55.people saying that they're going to change behaviours which are fairly
:19:56. > :19:59.embedded in historical precedent, then you should believe the likes of
:20:00. > :20:01.me and I'm saying currently it's a 12 point or so
:20:02. > :20:05.Guys, I'm doing a survey about opinion polls.
:20:06. > :20:08.In other words, are we all asking too many youngsters
:20:09. > :20:14.Do you pick up the newspaper every day going, I wonder
:20:15. > :20:18.No, I'm pretty sure what the polls are
:20:19. > :20:26.Theresa May still ahead but Labour squeezing in there.
:20:27. > :20:28.YouGov has suggested that would result in a hung parliament
:20:29. > :20:35.Based on the current polling we produced a broad
:20:36. > :20:39.At the time that was anything from 274 to
:20:40. > :20:45.345 seats the Conservatives might get.
:20:46. > :20:48.You need 326 for a majority, so at that time it was possible that
:20:49. > :20:52.The headline was YouGov predicts hung
:20:53. > :20:56.parliament, that was just one potential outcome.
:20:57. > :20:58.What you often see during election campaigns is
:20:59. > :21:03.that the interpretation of the polls, whether it's
:21:04. > :21:05.by broadcasters or the media, or social media, is
:21:06. > :21:07.somewhat different from the interpretation
:21:08. > :21:13.After three sweltering hours of doing this.
:21:14. > :21:16.Who's got some opinions they'd like to share with me?
:21:17. > :21:27.The polls are fascinating snapshots but it's the one on June 8th
:21:28. > :21:32.Well, there we go, a big majority of people here on the Southbank
:21:33. > :21:34.think the opinion polls are more fiction
:21:35. > :21:37.And here ends probably the dodgiest opinion poll in British
:21:38. > :21:56.I am with Adam on that one. That was very dodgy indeed. Katie, most
:21:57. > :21:58.people think it is fiction rather than signs, the fact of the matter
:21:59. > :22:01.is we all follow them. We promise every year, every election, every
:22:02. > :22:05.referendum, never to listen to the polls because we follow them and
:22:06. > :22:08.they turn out to be wrong but an exciting poll comes in and we spend
:22:09. > :22:12.a day talking about it and writing about it. If you look at the polls
:22:13. > :22:16.so far you can see that although they all have different figures they
:22:17. > :22:19.all seem to agree on the fact that the Tories started off with a very
:22:20. > :22:25.big lead and Labour have been making up ground. Yes, that is
:22:26. > :22:29.incontrovertible, Owen, isn't it? That has given succour to the Labour
:22:30. > :22:31.campaign and given them a certain amount of liftoff. How much do you
:22:32. > :22:36.believe in these polls because they are all over the place? I am a bit
:22:37. > :22:42.of a poll sceptic. On Brexit they were not that Ofcom I thought we
:22:43. > :22:45.would leave because of the polling. On Trump, Hillary Clinton won a bit
:22:46. > :22:51.majority of the popular vote. The problem with Theresa May is lots of
:22:52. > :22:55.people have basically found her the less people like her. The reason for
:22:56. > :22:58.that is she has a record of being inconsistent and dishonest. She said
:22:59. > :23:03.there would be no early election over and over again. We are talking
:23:04. > :23:10.about the polls! The polls man! We're talking about why the poll has
:23:11. > :23:15.narrowed. What is the point in having a chin stroking chat about
:23:16. > :23:18.them? I'm going to stroke my chin now. I will keep going, the reason
:23:19. > :23:23.the polls have narrowed is because she has a record of saying things
:23:24. > :23:25.she goes back on, early election, not increasing National Insurance,
:23:26. > :23:29.she then tried to go back on what she went back on in the first place.
:23:30. > :23:32.Integration targets, she said it would be reduced to the tens of
:23:33. > :23:37.thousand and it hasn't got close. She was a Remainer who reinvented
:23:38. > :23:40.herself as a hard-core Brexiteer command the dementia tax when she
:23:41. > :23:49.tried to impose a 100% inheritance tax, so the reasons why the polling
:23:50. > :23:53.has narrowed, and it's not clear from the polls about how much it has
:23:54. > :23:57.narrowed, I would still think the odds are stacked against Labour. The
:23:58. > :24:01.reason they have narrowed is a lot of people look at Theresa May based
:24:02. > :24:05.on what she has said and done trust it. Katie, Owen really wants to talk
:24:06. > :24:12.about the Conservatives, so you cancelled about Labour. So, tell me
:24:13. > :24:18.why you think Labour have done so well to narrow those polls? What is
:24:19. > :24:22.it they have done? I think it is two things. They started off from such a
:24:23. > :24:26.low bar, Jeremy Corbyn did, lots of people were surprised when he seemed
:24:27. > :24:31.likeable in lots of his media appearances. Secondly, the
:24:32. > :24:35.manifestos are often said not to matter but the Labour manifesto has
:24:36. > :24:38.lots of popular policies where is the Conservative manifesto seemed to
:24:39. > :24:43.be built on the assumption they didn't really need to bother because
:24:44. > :24:46.Jeremy Corbyn, we don't need to woo voters and we don't need to give
:24:47. > :24:50.them a reason to vote for us. For lots of people if you ask them why
:24:51. > :24:55.they vote conservative it would be a negative reason, because you don't
:24:56. > :24:57.like Jeremy Corbyn and that's not a successful campaign message. That's
:24:58. > :25:00.an interesting point because lots of the time the source of policies
:25:01. > :25:06.Labour have put forward have been vilified by much of the press and
:25:07. > :25:09.many politicians. But the reality is the polling bears it out and most
:25:10. > :25:12.people think the more well off should pay more tax and we should
:25:13. > :25:16.use that to invest in public services. Most people do believe
:25:17. > :25:20.that certain utilities like rail, water and energy should be not run
:25:21. > :25:23.by foreign governments and private companies but by the government that
:25:24. > :25:29.they vote in. And that most people, millions of people, think should we
:25:30. > :25:32.saddle young people with debt for going to university? The reason I
:25:33. > :25:36.say that is we don't know how the election will pan out, the odds are
:25:37. > :25:41.still against Labour. But I would say to people without getting a tiny
:25:42. > :25:46.little violin out, I feel like a lonely voice in the media on those
:25:47. > :25:50.policies, millions of people support those policies and they have got
:25:51. > :25:54.traction because of the fact people do like them but they haven't got
:25:55. > :25:58.the airing until now. They certainly got an airing, they suddenly got box
:25:59. > :26:03.office reception, and all of a sudden people went I quite like
:26:04. > :26:07.these ideas. I understand why in a poll people would say they like what
:26:08. > :26:11.Labour are offering but people often say in polls the Labour vote is
:26:12. > :26:16.overestimated. Which is true. That is partly the credibility issue. You
:26:17. > :26:18.might like them but it's ultimately whether voters when they get to the
:26:19. > :26:22.ballot box really believe they can vote for them and they can handle
:26:23. > :26:25.these things. Its turnout force of the problem Labour have which they
:26:26. > :26:30.must focus on is getting people who say they will vote Labour to get out
:26:31. > :26:34.and vote. I will end it now, Owen and Katie, it has been good having
:26:35. > :26:39.you, despite my protestations! Many thanks for that and to you for
:26:40. > :26:42.watching. Now it's time for the weather but thank you for watching
:26:43. > :26:47.The Election Wrap. Bye bye.