:00:20. > :00:20.Hello and welcome to The Election Wrap, your guide
:00:21. > :00:26.Now put down the game console, and listen up.
:00:27. > :00:31.Yes you, dear young voters, aged 18 to 25.
:00:32. > :00:34.You could be key to who wins the election.
:00:35. > :00:38.main parties face questions from a youthful Newsbeat audience,
:00:39. > :00:43.in Manchester, in the final TV debate of the campaign.
:00:44. > :00:45.We'll be in Bradford West, one of the youngest constituencies
:00:46. > :00:50.in the country, to find out the issues that matter
:00:51. > :00:53.to the under 25s, dear oh dear, the most apathetic group of voters
:00:54. > :00:57.With crucial Brexit talks due to start just 11
:00:58. > :01:00.days after the election, it's claimed the debate surrounding
:01:01. > :01:04.leaving the EU has hardly figured in the campaign.
:01:05. > :01:10.We'll have the view from Brussels on our election.
:01:11. > :01:12.And we should do more of this - bring together in peace
:01:13. > :01:15.and harmony voices usually hoarse from shouting at each other.
:01:16. > :01:17.Gina Miller, the woman who took the government to court
:01:18. > :01:20.over Article 50 and won, talks Brexit, with the former Ukip
:01:21. > :01:35.I do not understand the inflexible way we're going towards
:01:36. > :01:39.negotiations. Why not just leave, why negotiate. So civilised.
:01:40. > :01:41.And mulling all this over, my guests political commentator
:01:42. > :01:49.Jo Phillips and Times columnist Iain Martin.
:01:50. > :01:52.Let's bring you up to date with the latest developments
:01:53. > :01:57.Theresa May returns to her central message that only the Conservatives
:01:58. > :01:59.offer stable government and warns that the election could
:02:00. > :02:12.If we lose just six seats then the government loses its majority. And
:02:13. > :02:18.if we lose just six seats we could see Jeremy Corbyn in Number Ten
:02:19. > :02:27.Downing St. Diane Abbott looking after our national security. John
:02:28. > :02:29.McDonnell at the Treasury with our economy. And the strings being
:02:30. > :02:32.pulled by Nicola Sturgeon. Jeremy Corbyn remains
:02:33. > :02:34.hopeful he can win. He says he's attracted thousands
:02:35. > :02:39.of people to back Labour because it offers hope
:02:40. > :02:49.and campaigned on a We are nearly at the end of this
:02:50. > :02:53.campaign and we have done dozens of events all over the country and you
:02:54. > :02:58.know what, everywhere we go the crowds get bigger, people are
:02:59. > :03:04.determined to show that this election can be won by Labour but we
:03:05. > :03:07.are also offering something very different to the Conservatives. We
:03:08. > :03:13.are offering hope that they are offering something else.
:03:14. > :03:24.And Nicola Sturgeon reckons the outcome in Scotland could be vital.
:03:25. > :03:28.And Paul Nuttall insisted that his party is the patriotic party and its
:03:29. > :03:30.policies on immigration and foreign aid will come to be seen as ahead of
:03:31. > :03:32.their time. The Lib Dem leader, Tim Farron,
:03:33. > :03:34.thinks it's possible what he terms the Conservatives'
:03:35. > :03:48.arrogance at this The approach they took to this
:03:49. > :03:52.election, assuming a landslide and taking the people of the country for
:03:53. > :03:56.granted. So a vote for the Conservatives on Thursday will be
:03:57. > :04:00.heard by Theresa May as an endorsement of the dementia attacks
:04:01. > :04:08.but also police cut and cuts to health and school as well.
:04:09. > :04:14.A lot of talk about security inevitably but the parties now
:04:15. > :04:21.perhaps returning to their core messages? They're trying to get it
:04:22. > :04:26.back but I think the issue of course of the tragic and appalling events
:04:27. > :04:30.of Saturday is overshadowing everything. And there are questions
:04:31. > :04:37.about police numbers, about security. Questions about prevention
:04:38. > :04:40.of extremism and how we fund and support the security services. That
:04:41. > :04:45.is not going to go away and neither should it because it is a big issue.
:04:46. > :04:50.And whoever aspires to be in Downing Street on Friday needs to address
:04:51. > :04:54.those issues very clearly. They're trying to get back but this has been
:04:55. > :05:03.a fractious election. Very difficult. We had those appalling
:05:04. > :05:08.attacks, we had leaders who have their own issues in getting their
:05:09. > :05:13.message out and that has been hampering them. And the Tories so
:05:14. > :05:18.far ahead of the beginning of this campaign and pegged right back. It
:05:19. > :05:24.has been fascinating in many respects. Some of the viewers might
:05:25. > :05:26.disagree! At full price -- for precisely the reason you have said,
:05:27. > :05:32.one party starting with an enormous lead which has been eroded. I think
:05:33. > :05:37.you have those closing messages returning to the message with which
:05:38. > :05:43.they began the campaign, it is about getting out the vote, turning out
:05:44. > :05:46.their existing voters. You are beyond the stage in the campaign we
:05:47. > :05:50.could hope to convert anyone so the Tories are going back to that strong
:05:51. > :05:55.and stable position and Jeremy Corbyn with his hope and all the
:05:56. > :06:02.rest of it. And now it is about maximising the vote, the get out the
:06:03. > :06:06.vote operation. I think the biggest fear is because it has been such a
:06:07. > :06:10.ghastly campaign, and probably all the party leaders would agree, the
:06:11. > :06:15.biggest fear is no one bothers on Thursday. And there is a low turnout
:06:16. > :06:21.and dreadful weather. And that is not good for any of us. I think it
:06:22. > :06:28.is particularly fascinating election because we are seeing a big sea
:06:29. > :06:32.change, ostensibly returned to the 2-party politics, the disappearance
:06:33. > :06:35.of Ukip potentially, the Liberal Democrats staggering, and the
:06:36. > :06:38.re-emergence of quite a strong labour tribal vote.
:06:39. > :06:40.Well, could the youth vote be key to this election?
:06:41. > :06:43.Tonight the seven main parties face questions from a Newsbeat audience
:06:44. > :06:45.of 18-to-25-year olds in Manchester in the final TV debate.
:06:46. > :06:58.I think we're going to hear from the audience tonight a lot of passion,
:06:59. > :07:03.we talk about young voters being apathetic but having gone around the
:07:04. > :07:07.UK in this election talking to merrily under 25 about how they're
:07:08. > :07:12.going to vote and why they're not, a lot of care about the issues, low
:07:13. > :07:17.wages, their chances of going to university, equal rights. What turns
:07:18. > :07:18.them off is the language of politics and performance of politicians on
:07:19. > :07:24.the TV and radio. Jonathan Blake. Fewer than half of young people
:07:25. > :07:27.voted in the 2015 general election - so will they be more likely to turn
:07:28. > :07:30.out this time round? We've been in Bradford West,
:07:31. > :07:32.one of the youngest constituencies in the country, talking to a group
:07:33. > :07:42.of under 25s. Labour have the biggest poll lead
:07:43. > :07:46.amongst the young voters so what does not make of the party the
:07:47. > :07:53.Jeremy Corbyn? I think he is a great party leader. I worry if he becomes
:07:54. > :07:58.Prime Minister, would he be able to talk internationally. So not
:07:59. > :08:03.everyone convinced. And what about Prime Minister Theresa May question
:08:04. > :08:11.mark she is good as party leader but they have been in power for 18 years
:08:12. > :08:15.now and I do not feel as a student I have got what I wanted from them. So
:08:16. > :08:20.what do these bright young things one from the party they vote for?
:08:21. > :08:27.Mental health is a big issue at the moment. There should be much more
:08:28. > :08:31.emphasis on helping those who have mental health issues. The NHS should
:08:32. > :08:39.be posted because of the cuts to funding. With Jeremy Hunt going
:08:40. > :08:42.against junior doctors, that has put pressure on the NHS and a lot more
:08:43. > :08:48.funding needs to be put in. I believe if you are capable of going
:08:49. > :08:52.to university you should not have to pay a fee. Because you worked hard
:08:53. > :08:58.to get there. And what about the Brexit word, 73% of the Young voted
:08:59. > :09:05.to stay in the EU. I voted to stay in. I voted to stay. Remain. I feel
:09:06. > :09:09.the Lib Dems are more open about Brexit and talking about a second
:09:10. > :09:22.referendum before the final deal goes through. We do not normally
:09:23. > :09:26.associate young voters for some reason with the Conservative Party.
:09:27. > :09:30.There is a long tradition of this is voters tend to move towards the
:09:31. > :09:37.centre or a little bit right as they get older. But the Tory party has a
:09:38. > :09:41.particular problem this time and that is compounded by the fact that
:09:42. > :09:46.I think they just expected that not to matter. They did not anticipate a
:09:47. > :09:51.surge amongst young voters for Jeremy Corbyn. The question is
:09:52. > :09:55.whether they will turn out. But also the Tories took the bizarre step of
:09:56. > :10:00.declaring war on older voters through the so-called dementia
:10:01. > :10:03.attacks. Voters they thought were signed, sealed and delivered, those
:10:04. > :10:10.older voters, it is striking that the Conservatives do not in a
:10:11. > :10:14.manifesto merely have a message of opportunity or aspiration for young
:10:15. > :10:22.voters about getting on housing ladder. All of that kind of stuff.
:10:23. > :10:25.Is there any policy designed to get to someone under 30? It is strange
:10:26. > :10:33.because although the Conservatives have had a problem with younger
:10:34. > :10:38.voters, they have been quite good, Margaret Thatcher, McMillan, David
:10:39. > :10:46.Cameron, in terms of talking about that ladder of opportunity. They
:10:47. > :10:55.have had a way of appealing to aspiration. But it is striking and
:10:56. > :11:00.you see it and hear it from focus groups and use it in the vox pops.
:11:01. > :11:05.People of that age just a bit baffled, why they would vote
:11:06. > :11:09.Conservative. Then again you have the young Jeremy Corbyn fans. They
:11:10. > :11:16.only have to pay ?1 to join the party and he is galvanising them.
:11:17. > :11:27.They think that money grows on trees! If Jeremy Corbyn is offering
:11:28. > :11:33.or peddling hope, that is what use is all about, hope. But I think it
:11:34. > :11:39.is astonishing that the Tories went out of their way to is not alienate
:11:40. > :11:43.but certainly sow seeds of doubt amongst their coffee -- their core
:11:44. > :11:47.voters. If that was their attempt to say we know that young people should
:11:48. > :11:56.not be paying the fuel allowance for rich pensioners, they did not do
:11:57. > :12:01.that in a good way. Of course the answer is you want a strong economy
:12:02. > :12:09.and entrepreneurial stuff, but nothing about aspiration. And the
:12:10. > :12:12.Lib Dems, you know, and the SNP... Well the Lib Dems had their
:12:13. > :12:28.manifesto launch in a discotheque! Appealing to young people!
:12:29. > :12:36.Will our friends at BBC economy have put together a little Malaysian
:12:37. > :12:39.appealing to younger voters. Is there an argument that of the more
:12:40. > :12:46.all the problems in Britain they might just go away? Historically
:12:47. > :12:51.there has not been the case. The CBA is represented all over the UK and
:12:52. > :12:54.we are getting bigger and bigger. In Manchester in 2015 56% of registered
:12:55. > :13:02.voters did not vote. Most of them were young people. We are proud of
:13:03. > :13:07.them. They are shaping the future of this country without even lifting a
:13:08. > :13:12.finger. Those are used to upload pictures of their food. So join the
:13:13. > :13:16.CBA party today. It is easy, you do not have to do anything. The CDA
:13:17. > :13:30.party, ignore the problems of the UK and they might just go away. CBA
:13:31. > :13:40.party? Are we allowed to say that? Can't be bothered. Now the turnout
:13:41. > :13:46.for 18 to 24-year-old in the referendum campaign was 64%. Which
:13:47. > :13:51.is pretty good. You have to ask why David Cameron did not at that stage
:13:52. > :13:58.lower the voting age to 16 for the referendum. And why would you not do
:13:59. > :14:01.that and then making voting compulsory. That is part of the
:14:02. > :14:09.Labour manifesto. I think they do want to do that. And the Lib Dems as
:14:10. > :14:16.well and the SNP have already done it. But that apathy, it was
:14:17. > :14:19.suggested by Jonathan Blake, is apparently because politicians of a
:14:20. > :14:24.certain age do not know how to talk to young people. This has always
:14:25. > :14:28.been the case, I do a lot of work with schools and debating groups and
:14:29. > :14:33.I find young people are incredibly engaged about politics. That is at
:14:34. > :14:39.school. And I cannot wait to vote. I was involved with the Home Office
:14:40. > :14:45.with John Denham in getting out the youth vote. But in fact what happens
:14:46. > :14:50.is by the time they get to 19, 20, 25, they're so busy with their own
:14:51. > :14:56.opinions but they forget actually that you have to make that effort
:14:57. > :15:02.and get your name on a register and get down to the polling station
:15:03. > :15:07.before ten o'clock at night. And for the Labour fortunes to go up and
:15:08. > :15:11.down on Thursday, those young people have got to put down their game
:15:12. > :15:16.console or whatever, generalising ridiculously, but they've got to get
:15:17. > :15:19.out and make the effort. So much of the election depends on precisely
:15:20. > :15:25.that. If you look at the opinion polls in the last few weeks which
:15:26. > :15:32.put Labour much closer to the the pollsters that have narrowed the gap
:15:33. > :15:37.are predicated there being a high turnout. Something like 75, 80% of
:15:38. > :15:45.young voters which has never happened before. But anything is
:15:46. > :15:48.possible, we live in the era of Brexit and Donald Trump. There has
:15:49. > :15:53.been a lot of big increases in terms of voter registration, Labour might
:15:54. > :15:57.be doing something underneath the surface on social media. That has
:15:58. > :16:07.not really been picked up on yet. So it is possible. Well if the
:16:08. > :16:12.Conservatives can be bothered to increased their majority on Thursday
:16:13. > :16:16.they will have to do well to win some of the seats they won in 2015.
:16:17. > :16:18.One of their top target seats is Newcastle-Under-Lyme
:16:19. > :16:22.Labour have held the seat since 1922, but they are defending
:16:23. > :16:25.What do voters there want to see from their politicians?
:16:26. > :16:35.It is the birthplace of the man who created the modern-day circus.
:16:36. > :16:48.Newcastle-under-Lyme in North Staffordshire. We created the circus
:16:49. > :16:53.ring. The foreman has come to town with his act, not that different to
:16:54. > :16:58.the general election. Political spin, juggling campaigns, and
:16:59. > :17:03.performance. Sound familiar? Politics can sometimes feel like a
:17:04. > :17:06.bit of the circus so what will the candidates here do? Police numbers
:17:07. > :17:11.in terms of neighbourhood policing have stayed the same and that is
:17:12. > :17:15.important in terms of intelligence gathering feeding through. As we've
:17:16. > :17:21.seen from Theresa May we need to look again at what legislation might
:17:22. > :17:25.be needed as the world and technology evolves. We've said we
:17:26. > :17:31.will invest in the security services, in more policemen on the
:17:32. > :17:34.front line and beef up our security apparatus. Under Theresa May after
:17:35. > :17:38.six years at the Home Office it has been cut and cut and cut. The
:17:39. > :17:43.impression some people get is that we in the Lib Dems think we allowed
:17:44. > :17:51.too much freedom to too many people and therefore we're not going to put
:17:52. > :17:54.the procedures in place to restrain those people incline towards
:17:55. > :18:00.terrorism. That is not the case. Voters have returned Labour MP here
:18:01. > :18:05.since 1919, 98 years. Can they do it again? But this time around the
:18:06. > :18:10.candidates are walking a tightrope. Labour contend with a slim majority
:18:11. > :18:16.of 650 in 2015, it is a balancing act. The marginal seat has attracted
:18:17. > :18:19.celebrities aboard. Steve Coogan out for Labour at the new Vic Theatre.
:18:20. > :18:24.But the real drama is coming on Thursday. Who will wobble, who will
:18:25. > :18:35.fall and who will be the last man standing?
:18:36. > :18:39.650 votes separating the parties. Theresa May we are hearing has just
:18:40. > :18:44.said that she will beef up some human rights laws if they stop us
:18:45. > :18:47.from tackling terrorism. Is that the kind of tough rhetoric that could
:18:48. > :18:52.swing it in a constituency where there are just a handful of votes?
:18:53. > :18:58.It might do. I wonder, I would question whether the terrible events
:18:59. > :19:03.of the last few weeks on the terror front, I would wonder if it is that
:19:04. > :19:07.simple for the Conservatives. Because there is only questions to
:19:08. > :19:14.answer, for example about the Borough Market three, why they were
:19:15. > :19:19.not picked up. And the record of Theresa May in Home Office. I would
:19:20. > :19:23.question with so little time to go where they really that makes a
:19:24. > :19:28.difference. It suggests the Conservatives after a pretty rugby
:19:29. > :19:34.campaign are worried. You wrote an article which has been quoted by a
:19:35. > :19:39.lot of people, a few days ago, that suggested that this was the worst
:19:40. > :19:47.Conservative campaign since what, the Second World War? Since the
:19:48. > :19:54.First World War. Since 1906. Where they went backwards. I think to
:19:55. > :20:01.begin with such an enormous lead and such a weak opponent, and then to
:20:02. > :20:08.really make quite a spectacular mess of it, I cannot remember an election
:20:09. > :20:13.in which the Conservative campaign has been so vulnerable as this. I
:20:14. > :20:19.think also there's something about her quality of leadership and the
:20:20. > :20:26.way in which she has been exposed to the public and found wanting. To an
:20:27. > :20:31.extent. The strong and stable, build everything around Theresa May,
:20:32. > :20:36.addiction the Conservative brand, that is fine and then things began
:20:37. > :20:40.to go wrong with a manifesto, Labour fought a better campaign than
:20:41. > :20:48.anticipated. In the last ten days, Lynton Crosby, the Australian
:20:49. > :20:51.election guru who had not been in full control, has effectively taken
:20:52. > :20:55.full control of the campaign. And they've tried to move it on to a
:20:56. > :21:01.much more disciplined and clear message. But one of the fascinating
:21:02. > :21:04.things, when it is all over on Friday, no matter the size of
:21:05. > :21:13.majority think they will be a lot of Tory disquiet about how a lead of 20
:21:14. > :21:19.points was potentially squandered. Those shortcomings suggested in
:21:20. > :21:24.Theresa May and her campaign but Jeremy Corbyn on the campaign stump
:21:25. > :21:27.has been brilliant. That is a fact. Absolutely and he engages with
:21:28. > :21:32.people and they like him, they find him affable. That's a different
:21:33. > :21:37.question as to whether you want him running the country and Diane Abbott
:21:38. > :21:41.at the Home Office. That is the Tory argument. Exactly. But he is much
:21:42. > :21:50.better with people. I think Theresa May, she does not have that kind of
:21:51. > :21:53.human warmth. Frankly we're not voting for our friends, but for
:21:54. > :22:01.someone we think is the best leadership. But the Tories have
:22:02. > :22:07.always been absolutely bang on with discipline, disciplined getting
:22:08. > :22:10.their supporters, sticking to the message, and that was what Tony
:22:11. > :22:14.Blair and Alastair Campbell brought to the 1997 election campaign, they
:22:15. > :22:21.learned the only way to do it by discipline. And it has just gone to
:22:22. > :22:27.pot. Astonishingly bad. We have got one more full day of campaigning to
:22:28. > :22:32.go. Do you expect that tomorrow, Brexit, Brexit, Brexit from the
:22:33. > :22:38.Conservatives? 11 days before the substantive talks begin on a
:22:39. > :22:43.sleeping. They have done the strong and stable tough -- stuff today and
:22:44. > :22:47.the final message I think will have a lot to do with Brexit. The logic
:22:48. > :22:51.makes perfect sense. I think we might look back on the campaign and
:22:52. > :22:57.think that the Tories closed in the final few days in quite a clever way
:22:58. > :23:01.and I think that is about the Brexit message, motivating former Ukip
:23:02. > :23:07.voters of that is the key for the Tories. David Cameron won the last
:23:08. > :23:13.election with 35% of the vote, and if after some wobbling as the polls
:23:14. > :23:19.suggest, there is a large chunk of that 4 million Ukip vote, say 2
:23:20. > :23:22.million, swapping over to the Conservatives, in the right places,
:23:23. > :23:29.that takes the Conservatives into the majority of 50, 60, 70
:23:30. > :23:36.territory. For the Ukip voter, hearing the Brexit word is very
:23:37. > :23:43.important. I think Labour are going to try to get it back onto that.
:23:44. > :23:50.What happens is beyond anyone's control and that may swing things
:23:51. > :23:54.but I think they had a plan and I think the Labour Party will get it
:23:55. > :24:02.back and try to go for the Carter, Reagan thing. Jeremy Corbyn wants to
:24:03. > :24:07.offer hope and to a certain extent Theresa May is offering clear. So
:24:08. > :24:12.we're back to that whole Brexit campaign which was based on fear or
:24:13. > :24:20.threat. I think that is damaging for us as a democracy. A lot of people I
:24:21. > :24:24.think, and particularly Theresa May will be glad when Friday comes but I
:24:25. > :24:30.think what happens afterwards, if we have a hung parliament, Jeremy
:24:31. > :24:35.Corbyn unassailable because probably he will get more votes than Ed
:24:36. > :24:38.Miliband. Theresa May now probably holed below the water line unless
:24:39. > :24:47.she can pull something out of the bag. Very interesting indeed.
:24:48. > :24:49.With the general election round the corner, my colleague
:24:50. > :24:51.Victoria Derbyshire's been organising a series
:24:52. > :24:54.of Election Blind Dates - a lunch between two people with very
:24:55. > :24:58.This time it's the turn of Gina Miller - the woman who took
:24:59. > :25:01.the government to court over Article 50 and won - and Godfrey Bloom,
:25:02. > :25:03.a former UKIP politician known for making controversial remarks -
:25:04. > :25:17.I'm Godfrey Bloom. I was a founder member of Ukip but it is not for me.
:25:18. > :25:20.But every time I see Theresa May on television my pen hovers over the
:25:21. > :25:25.ballot vote. She's very good at running a church fete but as from
:25:26. > :25:30.running a country I rather not. I would hope that this is not a date
:25:31. > :25:34.with someone who has no respect for women. I'm Gina Miller, I took the
:25:35. > :25:37.government to court. My voting history has been for the Labour
:25:38. > :25:49.Party because it is all but Brexit so I will vote Lib Dem. Hello! How
:25:50. > :25:57.lovely to see you. And you. Do you think we have given already more
:25:58. > :26:02.away with the Brexit negotiations then we should have done. Rather
:26:03. > :26:06.than getting too much away to Ali I think it is the mood, all the
:26:07. > :26:11.Europeans on the other side of the table must be now looking at us and
:26:12. > :26:15.thinking we can be as strict as possible because this Prime Minister
:26:16. > :26:19.will buckle under pressure. I do not understand the inflexible way we're
:26:20. > :26:25.going towards these negotiations. Why are we negotiating, why not just
:26:26. > :26:30.leave? What happens next if we just leave? When I left my club, my
:26:31. > :26:34.London club, I wrote a very nice letter and said it was marvellous
:26:35. > :26:38.and goodbye. They said sorry to lose you, goodbye. What are we
:26:39. > :26:47.negotiating? The question I asked was what happens next. What happens
:26:48. > :26:53.next is we just leave. They have already said it's not that simple.
:26:54. > :26:59.Do people know what they voted for? You're saying people are stupid and
:27:00. > :27:11.do not understand what they voted for? I have been hearing a lot of
:27:12. > :27:14.this. If why the day before the referendum the biggest Google search
:27:15. > :27:22.was what is the European Union. That was the biggest search by millions.
:27:23. > :27:25.Always the same when you meet your fellow, so much more common ground
:27:26. > :27:32.than you ever imagined. What is positive, we can disagree and agree
:27:33. > :27:37.but have a civilised conversation. It was pretty civilised, at the
:27:38. > :27:43.beginning! It drifted off a bit at the end. Mr Bloom Megan Giglia the
:27:44. > :27:57.British public knew what they were voting for. -- Mr Bloom making it
:27:58. > :28:02.clear. A second referendum? I do not think so, we are where we are. So I
:28:03. > :28:07.think not. I do not think there is the public appetite for that. But
:28:08. > :28:15.the idea of a hard Brexit, is that what people voted for? I think they
:28:16. > :28:18.voted to leave the European Union. And we believe in a number of
:28:19. > :28:24.different ways. But the Lib Dems have had problems, the country has
:28:25. > :28:29.moved on. Those who voted for Brexit are glad it is happening and the
:28:30. > :28:33.other half who voted to remain, they it is going to happen. That is about
:28:34. > :28:38.three quarters of the country. It has been great to have you, thank
:28:39. > :28:40.you very much. And that is it from Election Wrap for today. Thank you