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:00:17. > :00:18.Hello and welcome to The Election Wrap, your essential

:00:19. > :00:20.guide to the day's campaigning, right across the UK.

:00:21. > :00:25.Labour and Plaid Cymru, the floor is yours.

:00:26. > :00:31.Jeremy Corbyn has launched Labour's manifesto in Bradford pledging

:00:32. > :00:41.billions for the NHS, education and childcare.

:00:42. > :00:43.The price tag, an eye watering ?48.6 billion.

:00:44. > :00:45.Labour says it can find the money, but we'll

:00:46. > :00:52.And in the Rhondda Valley the Welsh nationalists,

:00:53. > :00:54.Plaid Cymru, say they'll stick up for agriculture

:00:55. > :00:58.and industry in Brexit talks, at the launch of their manifesto.

:00:59. > :01:01.They'll make promises they don't keep eventually.

:01:02. > :01:05.We've taken our hallowed box of balls to Edinburgh,

:01:06. > :01:09.to see what the good folk there think about politicians

:01:10. > :01:15.So lots to talk about with our panel.

:01:16. > :01:22.The journalist and author Rachel Shabi, and Sam Coates of The Times.

:01:23. > :01:24.Let's catch up on the latest developments from the campaign

:01:25. > :01:28.Jeremy Corbyn has launched Labour's manifesto in Bradford,

:01:29. > :01:33.saying it'll appeal to voters right across the country.

:01:34. > :01:41.Our proposal is a government for the many not the few.

:01:42. > :01:43.Our proposals are of hope for the many all over this

:01:44. > :01:46.country and I'm very proud to present our manifesto

:01:47. > :02:00.It was also the turn of Plaid Cymru and party leader,

:02:01. > :02:02.Leanne Wood, to push out their manifesto,

:02:03. > :02:06.voice" to get the best possible Brexit deal for the country.

:02:07. > :02:13.We're pledging to put Wales at the heart of the negotiations to leave

:02:14. > :02:14.the European Union so that the final deal reflects the needs of the Welsh

:02:15. > :02:15.economy. From tool boxes to Harry Potter

:02:16. > :02:20.books, Theresa May sheds light on her policies,

:02:21. > :02:22.and personal achievements - And Scotland's First Minister

:02:23. > :02:39.and SNP leader, Nicola Sturgeon, told voters to stand up

:02:40. > :02:41.for Scotland, against what she called, Tory cuts

:02:42. > :02:49.and the possibility of an extreme We know the biggest risk to Scotland

:02:50. > :02:54.in the years ahead is an increasingly hardline Tory

:02:55. > :03:01.government intent on more austerity, more cuts and intent not just on

:03:02. > :03:04.Brexit but the most extreme form of Brexit possible so we need to make

:03:05. > :03:10.sure that after this election Scotland's voice is heard loudly and

:03:11. > :03:16.clearly. It is more important than it has ever been before for

:03:17. > :03:17.Scotland's voice to be heard, for MPs from Scotland to stand up for

:03:18. > :03:21.Scotland and protect our interests. With me are, Rachel

:03:22. > :03:29.Shabi, and Sam Coates. It is good to see you both. It is a

:03:30. > :03:32.big day, Labour launched its manifesto and the Welsh

:03:33. > :03:35.nationalists, Plaid Cymru. Manifestos seemed to have everything

:03:36. > :03:40.the rank and file in the company would love. Does it have wider

:03:41. > :03:42.appeal, do you think? It seems the policies are popular and what is

:03:43. > :03:48.interesting about this manifesto now that it has finally come out as the

:03:49. > :03:54.real thing, it is not just a matter of the individual policies, it is a

:03:55. > :03:59.vision, it's a recalibration of Britain, different way of looking at

:04:00. > :04:02.the economy after years of stagnating wages and flat-lining

:04:03. > :04:07.productivity and spiralling costs. It's trying to address inequalities

:04:08. > :04:13.and boost the economy in a genuinely different way. I think it is true to

:04:14. > :04:18.say that there is now a big distinction between the two main

:04:19. > :04:22.parties. A big distinction but no mention of Brexit, Sam. There was a

:04:23. > :04:25.little bit of Brexit in the manifesto. Labour struggles with

:04:26. > :04:28.Brexit as an issue to define itself differently from the Conservatives

:04:29. > :04:32.on this issue, given that as it were they are going along with it and

:04:33. > :04:36.promising many of the same things just in slightly different language

:04:37. > :04:41.to Theresa May. I think Rachel is absolutely right, a big choice,

:04:42. > :04:46.probably the biggest choice since 1983 when Margaret Thatcher thought

:04:47. > :04:48.Michael Foot. You have a very big Dur distinctive policies, lots of

:04:49. > :04:52.money for public services, they pledged to overhaul the labour

:04:53. > :04:58.market, a large amount of borrowing to fund infrastructure projects and

:04:59. > :05:02.a lot of national control back from everything from water to energy and

:05:03. > :05:05.key utilities. Popular some of these things may be, the question will

:05:06. > :05:11.come down to one of trust. The most significant moments today was that

:05:12. > :05:14.Len McCluskey, the head of Unite, union, the individual who has backed

:05:15. > :05:17.Jeremy Corbyn all the way one gave an interview this evening to

:05:18. > :05:21.Politico in which he said I'm not sure Jeremy Corbyn is going to win,

:05:22. > :05:28.I think 200 seats would be a good result for the Labour Party, Labour

:05:29. > :05:32.somewhere closer to 230, 240 at the moment. You have this feeling

:05:33. > :05:35.amongst the left that even with a manifesto that has been shorn of all

:05:36. > :05:37.the compromises they've had to make in the past, even when there is

:05:38. > :05:44.everything they might want to see it might not quite do it. Labour as you

:05:45. > :05:48.say, mentioned Brexit briefly in their manifesto launch today. The

:05:49. > :05:53.Welsh nationalists, pride Comrie, Brexit was a big part of their

:05:54. > :05:57.manifesto launch, here is Leanne Wood, their leader -- Plaid Cymru.

:05:58. > :06:00.Let's take that message today that Plaid Cymru is ready to defend

:06:01. > :06:06.Wales, to defend our nation, to defend our economy, to defend our

:06:07. > :06:09.people and to develop. The Welsh nationalists clearly

:06:10. > :06:15.believe they can make gains in Wales, Rachel, in a way that,

:06:16. > :06:20.because Labour has let them down essentially. Yes, Labour has been

:06:21. > :06:27.struggling in Wales with Corbyn and before Corbyn. It's been a very slow

:06:28. > :06:32.and steady decline. Plaid as you say have focused on Brexit very strongly

:06:33. > :06:40.today because of the risks to Wales in terms of having tariff free

:06:41. > :06:44.access to Europe, the EU, would make a big difference for somewhere like

:06:45. > :06:50.Wales that is reliant on the kind of access. I can see why she has

:06:51. > :06:54.stressed that access for her party. Very briefly, Sam. By Afful part is

:06:55. > :07:00.fishing in the pool for former remain voters and only Conservatives

:07:01. > :07:02.and Ukip looking to capitalise on the 52% who voted for Brexit in

:07:03. > :07:04.Wales. Labour had the abacus out, punched

:07:05. > :07:13.in the figures and their spending It has finally been published

:07:14. > :07:14.officially and we have been crunching the numbers.

:07:15. > :07:17.But where does Labour say the money is coming from?

:07:18. > :07:20.Well, it estimates an extra tax take of ?48.6 billion.

:07:21. > :07:22.Let's break that down a little, income tax first.

:07:23. > :07:25.Higher earners will pay more, and we're talking about roughly

:07:26. > :07:27.the top 5% of earners - we reckon that's about

:07:28. > :07:32.Earnings above ?80,000 will be taxed at 45%.

:07:33. > :07:37.With a new 50% rate on earnings above ?123,000.

:07:38. > :07:43.Labour says this will raise ?6.4 billion per year.

:07:44. > :07:46.But the biggest increase in tax take, according to Labour's plans,

:07:47. > :07:51.will come from an increase in corporation tax.

:07:52. > :07:55.It's currently 19% and Labour plans to increase that

:07:56. > :08:00.Once that's done, Labour says its corporation tax plans

:08:01. > :08:13.One really important thing, though, that Labour itself acknowledges is

:08:14. > :08:16.that companies and individuals change their behaviour when tax

:08:17. > :08:18.rates change and you also have to take into account the health of the

:08:19. > :08:20.overall economy. Raising tax rates doesn't always

:08:21. > :08:23.increase the overall tax take There are other measures

:08:24. > :08:31.to raise revenue. For example, a levy on what Labour

:08:32. > :08:39.cause excessive pay starting with a 2.5% levy paid by employers on pay

:08:40. > :08:41.packages over ?330,000. There is also VAT on private school fees.

:08:42. > :08:44.The manifesto also says ?6.5 billion will be raised from an aggressive

:08:45. > :08:46.programme to crack down on tax avoidance.

:08:47. > :08:49.Political parties always say they'll do that, and it can be done,

:08:50. > :08:55.Overall, though, Labour says it can finance all its current spending

:08:56. > :08:58.plans through changes in the tax system.

:08:59. > :09:11.Does that add up? They are suggesting a ?50 billion increase in

:09:12. > :09:14.tax, which if it were to be commended by the way it would take

:09:15. > :09:18.the tax burden in this country to the highest level it has been in

:09:19. > :09:22.about 70 years. But I think there is an awful lot of uncertainty about

:09:23. > :09:26.whether you could actually raise that amount of tax. They are talking

:09:27. > :09:31.about very large increases in taxes on companies which would likely

:09:32. > :09:34.reduce the amount of investment they do. I think the actual amount you

:09:35. > :09:39.could get from these policies certainly runs into the tens of

:09:40. > :09:43.billions but doesn't reach the 50 billion that Labour are claiming. So

:09:44. > :09:46.that is tax but there are also big plans for investment spending, all

:09:47. > :09:50.those nationalisation plans you've heard about. Water companies, the

:09:51. > :09:54.Royal Mail, and so on. Labour says it will borrow money to pay for

:09:55. > :10:01.future investment, it's talking about a national transformation fund

:10:02. > :10:03.of ?250 billion but there is no detailed costing of those

:10:04. > :10:06.nationalisation plans in the manifesto. That will be the source

:10:07. > :10:11.of controversy and political debate. But Labour does make one bold

:10:12. > :10:14.promise. It says it is committed to ensuring that the national debt is

:10:15. > :10:23.Lola at the end of the next parliament than it is today. Sam and

:10:24. > :10:27.Rachel, I will start with you Sam, on this. Confusion about whether or

:10:28. > :10:30.not borrowing to buy back and re-nationalised utilities for

:10:31. > :10:35.instance, or British rail, the National Grid, Royal Mail, or

:10:36. > :10:40.whatever, whether that actually comes under capital expenditure. The

:10:41. > :10:43.suggestion is that it doesn't, Labour say it does. What was quite

:10:44. > :10:46.clear from John McDonnell this morning on the radio is that they

:10:47. > :10:52.have not decided how many of these renationalisation is will take part.

:10:53. > :10:56.The one involving rail will happen differently to the one involving the

:10:57. > :11:00.water utilities. They just don't have a plan. It is hard to fully

:11:01. > :11:04.cost them. It's worth looking at the market capitalisation of some water

:11:05. > :11:09.companies, 40 billion in some cases. This is a lot of money will stop it

:11:10. > :11:14.probably will have to be funded by borrowing in some cases. So, yes, be

:11:15. > :11:17.it capital spending or otherwise the money still has to be found from

:11:18. > :11:24.somebody and that is probably by increasing the debt. I will bring

:11:25. > :11:29.you in in a second, Rachel, we can hear from Sarah Champion, who

:11:30. > :11:32.confirmed the details are not detailed in the Labour manifesto and

:11:33. > :11:39.the proposal is an intent and they need to look at the proposal. This

:11:40. > :11:43.is the reality of being in a position. As a Shadow Secretary of

:11:44. > :11:45.State which is a great honour and I have had one additional staff.

:11:46. > :11:50.Doesn't look like you're prepared for government. You say you have

:11:51. > :11:53.only had three weeks and you're proposing spending billions. I can

:11:54. > :11:56.answer the question. Mike Catt about who I have sat out in the Tory

:11:57. > :12:00.government has a couple of thousand people to help develop their ideas.

:12:01. > :12:04.-- my counterpart. It is tough being in a position because you do not

:12:05. > :12:08.have an army of civil servants to go through the figures and crunched the

:12:09. > :12:12.numbers and that kind of stuff. But that clip there does for some

:12:13. > :12:18.perhaps feed into this idea that Labour are not quite ready. I think

:12:19. > :12:20.the Conservatives have been very successful perpetuating this myth

:12:21. > :12:24.that the Labour Party has mismanaged the economy and that lingers. It's

:12:25. > :12:30.interesting when you look at the way Britain has a problem with

:12:31. > :12:32.productivity. It is flat-lining. It has a problem with wealth

:12:33. > :12:36.inequalities which are wider than any other country in Europe. The

:12:37. > :12:41.rest of Europe looks at us and says why aren't you raising tax? Why

:12:42. > :12:44.aren't you raising tax on corporations? Organisations as

:12:45. > :12:47.radical as the IMF are suggesting that we invest in our economy, that

:12:48. > :12:54.we invest in infrastructure because that is how used in the late growth.

:12:55. > :12:57.I think these things are quite different. It's a quite different

:12:58. > :13:02.vision Labour is presenting but it is something that economists have

:13:03. > :13:06.been advocating for quite some time. But it is precisely because it is

:13:07. > :13:10.such a radical vision, because so much money is being put out there in

:13:11. > :13:14.pledges and so on that people are pouring over the figures very, very

:13:15. > :13:18.carefully. In the end it comes down to trust. I think there is no doubt

:13:19. > :13:23.that the level of omission, if we can call it that, of this manifesto

:13:24. > :13:26.is incredibly high so you have to put your faith in Jeremy Corbyn and

:13:27. > :13:31.John McDonnell to be able to turn around the ship of state and change

:13:32. > :13:39.the direction and to ensure that the changes that the implement help

:13:40. > :13:43.contribute to a more successful the economic economy. You have to put a

:13:44. > :13:47.lot more trust in politicians promising to do that than

:13:48. > :13:50.politicians promising to do slightly more incremental visions that

:13:51. > :13:53.doesn't involve borrowing on this scale and spending on this scale and

:13:54. > :13:57.renationalisation of this scale. Talking about promises this is a big

:13:58. > :13:58.week for the main parties with a positive plethora of manifesto is

:13:59. > :14:08.being launched. But do voters the politicians will

:14:09. > :14:11.stick to their promises, if elected? Ellie Price has been

:14:12. > :14:13.in Edinburgh South, a constituency that'll see a right old ding dong,

:14:14. > :14:15.come election day. # I need a little time

:14:16. > :14:19.to think it over... They all make promises

:14:20. > :14:26.they don't keep eventually. Do you trust the political parties

:14:27. > :14:30.to stick to their manifestos? Well, if it's a straight yes

:14:31. > :14:34.or no, I think the answer It's partly an individual loss

:14:35. > :14:41.of integrity for people and partly the whole system is set up that

:14:42. > :14:44.people have to compromise and lie in order to get votes

:14:45. > :14:50.and they don't carry it through. I think I would only

:14:51. > :14:55.trust the SNP, honestly. I think Sturgeon comes

:14:56. > :14:59.through as truthful. Manifestos, they don't ever really

:15:00. > :15:02.seem to come to fruition in the way I feel a bit strange

:15:03. > :15:05.answering this question! They have proven they don't

:15:06. > :15:13.stick to the manifesto. Lib Dems I think would

:15:14. > :15:18.but they are not going to get in. Do you think you can trust

:15:19. > :15:36.the political parties to keep Looks like a trolley

:15:37. > :15:43.load of empty promises. Well, yes, I suppose

:15:44. > :15:48.it would be, really. No, I think even the sincerest

:15:49. > :15:51.parties that might actually want to stick to the policies find

:15:52. > :15:53.that once they get I think if people can actually stick

:15:54. > :16:01.with the idea of the promises and maybe some of the detail might

:16:02. > :16:04.have to change, that is fair enough. That is being practical about things

:16:05. > :16:06.because things change. Usually, when they say things like,

:16:07. > :16:11.I am going to fix the problems in the health service or money

:16:12. > :16:14.or something like this, usually, well, it doesn't always get worse,

:16:15. > :16:20.but it doesn't usually get better. Any lasting relationship needs trust

:16:21. > :16:25.and when the political parties come wooing voters in this marginal seat,

:16:26. > :16:28.they will have their work cut out because no, the majority don't think

:16:29. > :16:46.that the parties stick They do get a bad rap, don't they?

:16:47. > :16:48.Deserved when it comes to fulfilling promises?

:16:49. > :16:56.I think there are some high profile examples of broken promises,

:16:57. > :17:01.probably looking at you Nick Clegg! I think it is a good conversation to

:17:02. > :17:06.have as the Labour manifesto is launched because one of the think

:17:07. > :17:10.about it is there are dozens and dozens of proposals. They are

:17:11. > :17:12.proposing to introduce something called sectoral bargaining. At the

:17:13. > :17:21.moment companies negotiate with unions and unions negotiate with

:17:22. > :17:24.companies. TV presenters across Britain would get the same levels of

:17:25. > :17:27.pay after negotiation with the unions and somebody else on the

:17:28. > :17:31.other side of the table. These are the sorts of things we have to

:17:32. > :17:34.believe can work if we are to believe in the Labour manifesto. How

:17:35. > :17:37.that will work in practice I don't know so trust is very important,

:17:38. > :17:41.that is what voters have to decide, whether they do when it comes to Jim

:17:42. > :17:46.the eighth, and Labour. Speaking to that I think people don't really

:17:47. > :17:49.pour over point by point the manifesto. It's more about their

:17:50. > :17:54.vision and a story and imagining what kind of country it could be if

:17:55. > :18:00.these things came about and that is where Labour stands to gain because

:18:01. > :18:04.it has that vision. In terms of vision, if that kid is already

:18:05. > :18:08.cynical and disillusioned with politics they have their work cut

:18:09. > :18:11.out for them in terms of restoring trust. Talking about children,

:18:12. > :18:15.Theresa May has been talking to quite a few of them today. She was

:18:16. > :18:22.in Birmingham in the West Midlands and showing again her human side, it

:18:23. > :18:32.would seem. I like Harry Potter. I know you like reading those books.

:18:33. > :18:35.Have you read all of them? No. I'm still on the fourth book. I've read

:18:36. > :18:38.all of them. They are very good, aren't they?

:18:39. > :18:46.She is hoping her election manifesto is going to go down well as well as

:18:47. > :18:48.her words there in that school. The Liberal Democrats are launching

:18:49. > :18:54.their manifesto on Wednesday, Rachel. The pro-Europe party, is

:18:55. > :19:00.that going to get them anywhere, do you think? I think people have been

:19:01. > :19:06.quite surprised at how quickly their polling has eroded in the last few

:19:07. > :19:09.weeks. I think there was this idea that when the snap election was

:19:10. > :19:14.called there was an idea they would hoover up the remaining votes, or

:19:15. > :19:16.the remaining proportion of the public but it seems that isn't

:19:17. > :19:21.really the case, that that isn't really happening. I can't really see

:19:22. > :19:27.how they are going to turn that one around. The people that one might

:19:28. > :19:30.have expected to go to the Liberal Democrats because they were

:19:31. > :19:34.Remainers and so on and so forth seem to be leaning towards the

:19:35. > :19:39.Conservatives. I think they made a calculation which is that just under

:19:40. > :19:44.half of the population voted against Brexit and they thought they could

:19:45. > :19:49.fish in that pool. Of that 48%, probably about half of those people

:19:50. > :19:52.think that Brexit should, nevertheless, go ahead even though

:19:53. > :19:58.they didn't vote for it at the time meaning the maximum size of the Lib

:19:59. > :20:01.Dem Paul is about 24, 20 5%. They're getting about one in two with the

:20:02. > :20:06.possible voters they could go for. That's not bad but they have set

:20:07. > :20:10.themselves quite a low ceiling and breaking out of that isn't easy.

:20:11. > :20:12.-- 25%. We will hear what they have to say on Wednesday.

:20:13. > :20:18.Now, while opinions on politics may differ, there's one thing a lot

:20:19. > :20:21.of us have in common - and that's a good brew.

:20:22. > :20:23.Our correspondent Amy Harris has taken a tour around some

:20:24. > :20:26.of our vast and varied outlets in the East Midlands to see

:20:27. > :20:27.what issues are raising temperature levels ahead

:20:28. > :20:34.Whether you're a coffee connoisseur or a tea lover.

:20:35. > :20:38.So what better place than our local cafes to find out

:20:39. > :20:40.which issues are bringing us to boiling point

:20:41. > :20:53.First stop, Saints of Mocha in Leicester.

:20:54. > :20:55.It specialises in colourful coffee and it's clear

:20:56. > :20:57.which party is flavour of the month here.

:20:58. > :21:01.Labour's more comprehensive in addressing the needs of young

:21:02. > :21:04.people, so, student welfare, how they can give them better grants,

:21:05. > :21:06.I think they're more for working class.

:21:07. > :21:09.I'd like to see Jeremy Corbyn in charge, he's a

:21:10. > :21:13.man of a lot of good morals and values.

:21:14. > :21:16.Out of the city at this truckstop close to the M1 and the

:21:17. > :21:20.There isn't, though, so much of an appetite for politics.

:21:21. > :21:36.I just don't believe in any of them, anything they all say, it just seems

:21:37. > :21:40.I've got no confidence in any of them, basically.

:21:41. > :21:42.You can vote for one or vote for another.

:21:43. > :21:48.My grandma always brought me up to be Labour but I

:21:49. > :21:50.don't think Jeremy Corbyn is the right man for the job.

:21:51. > :21:52.I don't think he's got what we need really.

:21:53. > :22:02.Head north to the historic market town of Ashbourne in

:22:03. > :22:06.Derbyshire and as you might expect rural issues are on the minds of

:22:07. > :22:08.voters in this Conservative stronghold.

:22:09. > :22:11.They're destroying the small villages and the entire way of

:22:12. > :22:15.Will voting Conservative provide that?

:22:16. > :22:27.We're hoping they will do something to help the older people

:22:28. > :22:29.that need some support at the moment.

:22:30. > :22:34.There are lots of things I do disagree with but overall I think

:22:35. > :22:46.With concerns as varied as this coffee

:22:47. > :22:49.selection the parties are trying hard to be all things to all people.

:22:50. > :22:51.But will cafe conversations translate into votes?

:22:52. > :23:03.You could say the Conservatives are the party of the fancy mucky Artell

:23:04. > :23:08.and Labour are the party of builders. Clearly Theresa May is

:23:09. > :23:13.drinking builders in this election, she has parked her tanks on the lawn

:23:14. > :23:18.which makes this interesting. That is one of the driving factors, using

:23:19. > :23:21.her own brand to reach out to former Labour voters, maybe people who

:23:22. > :23:28.voted for Brexit in the referendum and maybe people who switched to

:23:29. > :23:31.Ukip last time around. I think it is important to stress, here we are

:23:32. > :23:36.halfway through, a little over half way through and people touch less on

:23:37. > :23:39.probably the biggest thing of this election campaign, which is not the

:23:40. > :23:47.performance of Jeremy Corbyn, or how well Theresa May controls her

:23:48. > :23:52.appearances. The biggest thing will be that one party, Ukip, is

:23:53. > :23:55.gambling, its vote in the local elections and opinion polls has

:23:56. > :24:00.basically halved and that means that the centre, centre right of British

:24:01. > :24:03.politics has reunited behind the British Conservatives, reunited

:24:04. > :24:07.behind Theresa May, and it is that rather than the wake in which the

:24:08. > :24:10.Labour Party are doing on any day-to-day basis that will have the

:24:11. > :24:15.most dramatic impact on June the 8th. It looks as if Ukip isn't going

:24:16. > :24:20.to stand in 277 seats, that means lots of those votes will inevitably

:24:21. > :24:23.go to the Conservatives and the Ukip vote is peeling away because people

:24:24. > :24:28.are not sure what the mission of the parties and the leadership situation

:24:29. > :24:32.is altogether more confused. That is the thing driving the selection

:24:33. > :24:37.below the bonnet rather than for instance manifesto launches. Rachel,

:24:38. > :24:42.we did have a big manifesto launch today from Labour. How do they

:24:43. > :24:47.appeal to the machiato drinker earning ?80,000 and above? You are

:24:48. > :24:56.assuming that the mucky odour drinker, if indeed that is what

:24:57. > :25:07.people over 80,000 drink... I'm just checking that out there. We all

:25:08. > :25:11.drink Nescafe at BBC. I have tasted your coffee! How does he appeal to

:25:12. > :25:16.those earning more than the average salary? There is an assumption that

:25:17. > :25:20.Labour always had its work cut out and has become even more pronounced

:25:21. > :25:22.pose Brexit because it must appeal to these two constituencies,

:25:23. > :25:29.traditional working-class base and its middle-class base, people who

:25:30. > :25:35.voted to remain if we can use broad crude brushstrokes. Has always been

:25:36. > :25:41.balanced. It comes back to the sort of values it stands for and the kind

:25:42. > :25:47.of society you want to live in. It is quite likely that when answering

:25:48. > :25:53.that question the concerns of the over 80,000 and the concerns of the

:25:54. > :25:58.27,000 might actually collide. Indeed, all right, Rachel and Sam,

:25:59. > :26:01.it's good to see you both. Thank you for joining us on The Election Wrap

:26:02. > :26:02.for today and thank you to you for joining