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:00:22. > :00:23.Hello and welcome to The Election Wrap, your essential

:00:24. > :00:25.guide to the day's campaigning across the UK.

:00:26. > :00:28.Roll-up, roll-up for a Brexit referendum sequel.

:00:29. > :00:33.An upbeat vibe as the Liberal Democrats launch their manifesto

:00:34. > :00:36.in the last hour, saying it's logical to have a second vote

:00:37. > :00:40.But critics say hang on, that's a do over.

:00:41. > :00:42.What a difference a day makes for Labour.

:00:43. > :00:45.Yesterday Len McCluskey of Unite said Labour were dead ducks

:00:46. > :00:50.But today he says no, Labour will be soaring eagles on June 8th.

:00:51. > :01:02.We will clear everything up, fear not. After June if you are

:01:03. > :01:06.re-elected, we used to be next-door neighbours?

:01:07. > :01:08.Philip Hammond and Theresa May had some awkward moments

:01:09. > :01:11.at a press conference today, but the pair have dismissed rumours

:01:12. > :01:26.How do you deal with a problem like Boris? He has not been seen too much

:01:27. > :01:31.on the campaign trail. But he has been out and about in Bristol. A

:01:32. > :01:35.campaign asset or a ticking time bomb? What about you?

:01:36. > :01:39.And we speak to the human and animal residents of Dumfries and Galloway

:01:40. > :01:41.to find out whether Scottish independence would be a deciding

:01:42. > :01:50.We will be getting the pet theories of our panel,

:01:51. > :01:53.Stephen Bush from the New Statesman, and the Sun on Sunday's

:01:54. > :01:57.Let's catch up on the latest developments from the campaign trail

:01:58. > :02:01.The Liberal Democrats have launched their party

:02:02. > :02:06.Leader Tim Farron called on voters to support his party and ensure

:02:07. > :02:11.they get a choice about Britain's future relationship with Europe.

:02:12. > :02:13.I believe that our children will have a brighter future

:02:14. > :02:18.That they will be safer and better off.

:02:19. > :02:21.That our economy will be stronger and our country will have more

:02:22. > :02:26.But just because I believe that doesn't mean I think people

:02:27. > :02:39.One of Jeremy Corbyn's key allies, the Unite leader Len McCluskey,

:02:40. > :02:43.says he is now full of optimism about Labour's general election

:02:44. > :02:52.hopes despite saying in an interview he could not see the party winning.

:02:53. > :02:58.It was against the backdrop of if the opinion polls are to be believed

:02:59. > :03:02.that I made those comments. Of course since then Labour have

:03:03. > :03:03.launched their manifesto, it is a fantastic manifesto.

:03:04. > :03:07.Theresa May has brushed aside questions about whether

:03:08. > :03:09.the Chancellor Philip Hammond will keep his job if

:03:10. > :03:19.The Green Party of England and Wales is promising free sanitary products

:03:20. > :03:33.And the Pirate Party launches its manifesto with a photo

:03:34. > :03:45.It describes itself as a civil liberties party and has fielded ten

:03:46. > :03:47.candidates and will be campaigning for copyright reform, opposing

:03:48. > :03:52.surveillance and fighting for a free and open Internet.

:03:53. > :03:57.We are trying to retain a lot of rights, especially human rights,

:03:58. > :04:03.that those before us have enjoyed and it is more a protectionist star,

:04:04. > :04:12.but we would like to see human rights expanded in general.

:04:13. > :04:53.The Scottish Labour Party has suspended all nine members

:04:54. > :04:54.of the Labour group in Aberdeen for breaching party rules.

:04:55. > :04:55.It comes after Labour joined forces with the Conservatives

:04:56. > :04:56.and independents to form a coalition to run the City Council.

:04:57. > :04:57.This isn't about positions or gold medals around

:04:58. > :04:58.the necks of councillors, this is about the job Labour

:04:59. > :04:58.councillors are elected to do to protect public services,

:04:59. > :04:59.to invest in and defend public services.

:05:00. > :05:00.The deal coming from Aberdeen didn't pass that test,

:05:01. > :05:01.that is why it was rejected by the democratic body

:05:02. > :05:01.of the Labour Party and that is why that must be respected and why

:05:02. > :05:02.we have moved to suspend these councillors.

:05:03. > :05:02.Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron wants to give power back

:05:03. > :05:04.That's what he said at the launch of the party's

:05:05. > :05:06.It's really obvious when you think about it.

:05:07. > :05:07.Someone is going to have the final say over the Brexit deal.

:05:08. > :05:08.It could be the politicians or it could be the people.

:05:09. > :05:11.You should have the final say on whether Theresa May's Brexit deal

:05:12. > :05:14.is right for you and your family in a referendum.

:05:15. > :05:17.And if you don't like that deal, you should have the choice to remain

:05:18. > :05:34.With me are our guests David Wooding and Stephen Bush

:05:35. > :05:38.and in a moment we'll talk to them about the manifesto in a bit

:05:39. > :05:41.more detail, but first the Liberal Democrats have promised

:05:42. > :05:43.to help young people get on the housing ladder

:05:44. > :05:50.The BBC's Chris Morris has been giving the figures a Reality Check.

:05:51. > :05:52.The biggest revenue raising proposal is to add 1p to income

:05:53. > :05:57.They estimate it will raise ?6.3 billion per year,

:05:58. > :06:00.money they would spend exclusively on the NHS, care services

:06:01. > :06:06.Then they want to reverse cuts in corporation tax,

:06:07. > :06:09.not by nearly as much as Labour proposed yesterday, but back up

:06:10. > :06:14.to 20% raising, they say, ?3.6 billion annually.

:06:15. > :06:17.There is also an eye-catching proposal to legalise

:06:18. > :06:23.The Lib Dems say this will raise another 1 billion per year.

:06:24. > :06:27.Overall this is a manifesto that will cost the country more.

:06:28. > :06:31.By 2020 the Liberal Democrats would spend 14.1 billion more

:06:32. > :06:35.in new day-to-day spending than they would raise in taxes.

:06:36. > :06:38.That would mean a small rise in the budget deficit

:06:39. > :06:45.But if you strip out the money going into longer-term investments

:06:46. > :06:47.in things like hospitals and roads, they say they would

:06:48. > :06:52.And they want to launch a package of infrastructure

:06:53. > :06:55.investment worth ?100 billion, including plans to build

:06:56. > :07:01.But the big thing in this manifesto, it's something that

:07:02. > :07:04.sets the Lib Dems apart from the Conservatives and Labour,

:07:05. > :07:08.is they want to hold another referendum on Brexit.

:07:09. > :07:11.This time the vote wouldn't just be in or out, it would be

:07:12. > :07:15.about whether to accept the terms of the deal on offer from the EU

:07:16. > :07:19.at the end of the Brexit negotiations in 2019.

:07:20. > :07:22.They will also put the option of staying in the EU

:07:23. > :07:28.Over the course of the next parliament the biggest factor

:07:29. > :07:31.in determining the health of the British economy

:07:32. > :07:33.and spending will be the outcome of the Brexit negotiations.

:07:34. > :07:36.The Lib Dems say they oppose a hard Brexit.

:07:37. > :07:39.There will be a vote on Parliament on the proposed deal,

:07:40. > :07:42.but in this manifesto Liberal Democrats argue

:07:43. > :07:53.it is the British people who should have the final say.

:07:54. > :07:58.Some are suggesting the Liberal Democrats have as much chance of

:07:59. > :08:04.winning the next election as Liverpool have of winning the

:08:05. > :08:10.Champions League. But there are some eye-catching pledges in this

:08:11. > :08:13.manifesto, not least the possibility that the British public would have

:08:14. > :08:20.the opportunity for a final say on Brexit. Actually, to turn away from

:08:21. > :08:24.Brexit, if the final deal is not good enough. The only unique selling

:08:25. > :08:28.point of the Lib Dems is they are going to be the campaign for the

:08:29. > :08:33.die-hard remainders. They are the only party who will offer you an in

:08:34. > :08:38.and out referendum marked two. The problem with that is that the Lib

:08:39. > :08:42.Dems are extremely unlikely to get into power and deliver that and

:08:43. > :08:45.people have to weigh that up against what is being dubbed by the

:08:46. > :08:50.Conservatives as a coalition of chaos between the SNP and the Labour

:08:51. > :08:54.Party. But also I think more than half the people would vote to leave

:08:55. > :08:58.the EU now if they were given a second referendum. A lot of those

:08:59. > :09:03.who voted to remain did so because of project fear and now they have

:09:04. > :09:08.seen the sky has not fallen in and they would probably vote to leave

:09:09. > :09:13.anyway. I am not sure how well being the remain party in this general

:09:14. > :09:18.election will work. Stephen, they got into a lot of hot water over the

:09:19. > :09:25.decision to back tuition fees after pledging not to in their 2010

:09:26. > :09:29.manifesto. Now they are going after younger voters, helping young people

:09:30. > :09:33.get on the housing ladder, they want to legalise cannabis. They want to

:09:34. > :09:38.push a few things that will attract younger people, but is it going to

:09:39. > :09:44.work? Is the toxicity of the whole tuition fee issue one that is too

:09:45. > :09:46.much? That is the big question. We thought from the Richmond

:09:47. > :09:49.by-election and the Whitney by-election that people had forgiven

:09:50. > :09:54.them for the things they did not like about the comic coalition, but

:09:55. > :09:58.now we are looking at the local elections and the polls and it seems

:09:59. > :10:02.people are not perhaps ready to give the Lib Dems a second go. But we are

:10:03. > :10:04.not too sure and it is difficult to say one way or another.

:10:05. > :10:08.Now the Unite leader Len McCluskey insists he is "now full of optimism"

:10:09. > :10:11.about Labour's general election hopes despite saying in an interview

:10:12. > :10:15.The union boss had told Politico a Labour victory would be

:10:16. > :10:17."extraordinary" and suggested winning just 200 seats would be

:10:18. > :10:23.The interview I did with Politico was a conversational piece

:10:24. > :10:27.and it was against the backdrop of if the opinion polls are to be

:10:28. > :10:33.Of course since then Labour have launched their manifesto,

:10:34. > :10:37.it is a fantastic manifesto, a manifesto for workers,

:10:38. > :10:40.ordinary working people, a manifesto that will change Britain

:10:41. > :10:45.for the good and the response that we have had from Unite members

:10:46. > :10:53.That is why I was checking our polls that we did, constant rolling polls,

:10:54. > :10:55.and the response has been like something we have

:10:56. > :11:07.If I was having an interview today, I wouldn't be making those comments.

:11:08. > :11:10.Now one of the most interesting places to watch on General Election

:11:11. > :11:12.night could be Dewsbury in West Yorkshire.

:11:13. > :11:14.It's also one of the most unusual constituencies,

:11:15. > :11:16.taking in rural villages and the very diverse areas around

:11:17. > :11:27.The seat has changed hands several times over the past ten years

:11:28. > :11:30.flip-flopping between Labour and the Conservatives.

:11:31. > :11:37.There can be few constituencies more diverse than this one.

:11:38. > :12:10.On the outskirts of Dewsbury town centre is the largely Muslim

:12:11. > :12:48.I just tend to think they probably do more for the working class.

:12:49. > :12:49.I am thinking of voting for Labour because of Jeremy Corbyn.

:12:50. > :12:52.I would just kind of like that whoever is interested in a family

:12:53. > :12:55.But even those who do not feel passionately about the politics

:12:56. > :13:17.certainly feel passionately about the issues.

:13:18. > :13:26.Education is one thing I am concerned about,

:13:27. > :13:29.It is the local issues that are important, the fact the health

:13:30. > :13:32.service is changing, the fact we are losing a hospital,

:13:33. > :13:34.the fact we may lose a library in the area,

:13:35. > :13:36.the fact they are wanting to build on what is

:13:37. > :13:40.But yet you want to stick with a Conservative government?

:13:41. > :13:42.I am not quite sure what the difference would be

:13:43. > :13:49.I also feel very strongly about the north - south divide.

:13:50. > :13:53.I think there needs to be much more realisation that we exist up here.

:13:54. > :13:59.Of course although many of these women might be voting Conservative,

:14:00. > :14:02.the village they live in does have plenty of Labour supporters.

:14:03. > :14:16.It seems this constituency really could go either way.

:14:17. > :14:28.Here is the full list of candidates standing in that constituency.

:14:29. > :14:34.Let's take the pulse of the Labour Party. Len McCluskey, yesterday he

:14:35. > :14:38.said they would be rubbish in the election, 200 seats would be seen as

:14:39. > :14:44.a victory, that is losing more than 30. Today he says they could win.

:14:45. > :14:48.What is going on? It is the usual Len McCluskey dance. Don't forget

:14:49. > :14:51.that Trade Union Bill Eden is our elected politicians who need to

:14:52. > :14:56.balance their own voting interests. He came very close to being defeated

:14:57. > :15:06.by a candidate who did not have much time for Jeremy Corbyn so is trying

:15:07. > :15:08.to have his cake and eat it. He is saying things are not good, hinting

:15:09. > :15:12.by saying 200 seats, if Jeremy can't get that he might be out. Today he

:15:13. > :15:16.is giving something to his left by saying the manifesto is great. Len

:15:17. > :15:19.is a politician, he is acting like any politician would. Dave, that is

:15:20. > :15:29.a hostage to fortune? It is a bit of managing

:15:30. > :15:35.expectations. They always go below what they think it might be so that

:15:36. > :15:41.when they get more it looks good. If he does under 200 seats, it is even

:15:42. > :15:46.worse for them. Stephen, do you believe that the clear plan now,

:15:47. > :15:53.barring a wipe-out, is for Jeremy Corbyn to stay on? Yes, the

:15:54. > :15:57.leadership... No question about it? There is no doubt in my mind. Some

:15:58. > :16:02.believe they can turn it around and go on to win, but you do not give up

:16:03. > :16:05.the keys to the castle willingly is they're lying. But people are

:16:06. > :16:10.underestimating Lent when he thinks that Labour will get 200. I would be

:16:11. > :16:15.very worried if I was in the leader's office and I was seeing Len

:16:16. > :16:20.McCluskey say, you have got to get 200 to be a success. I do not

:16:21. > :16:24.believe for a moment Len McCluskey believes they are on course to get

:16:25. > :16:31.200 seats, so I think Jeremy Corbyn will find it harder to stay leader.

:16:32. > :16:39.So the unions are the power brokers. If Len McCluskey says, sorry,

:16:40. > :16:42.Jeremy, that is it? Do not forget that Len McCluskey is from the same

:16:43. > :16:48.hard left wing of the party as Jeremy Corbyn and he has been even

:16:49. > :16:52.described as his puppet master. He is a big backer and so if he loses

:16:53. > :16:54.Len McCluskey, then the sound will be shifting from underneath his

:16:55. > :16:57.feet. OK, let's move on. Meanwhile, on the eve of the launch

:16:58. > :17:02.of the Conservative party manifesto, the chancellor Philip Hammond has

:17:03. > :17:05.sought to play down reports of a rift with Theresa May

:17:06. > :17:07.and her team of advisers. He dismissd it as "media

:17:08. > :17:16.tittle tattle". Look, we work very closely together.

:17:17. > :17:21.The Prime Minister and I have known each other for many years. We work

:17:22. > :17:25.closely together, she has got an extremely strong team around town

:17:26. > :17:29.and I work very closely with her team and some of them are people I

:17:30. > :17:35.have known for many years. We do work very well together as a team.

:17:36. > :17:41.There is all this media to do that and it is just that, media tittle

:17:42. > :17:43.tattle. Sharp analysis. Noted all tattle on the election wrap.

:17:44. > :17:46.Noted all tattle on the election wrap.

:17:47. > :17:49.Now we've not really seen or heard much from the Foreign Secretary this

:17:50. > :17:51.week but there's been criticism of Boris Johnson after

:17:52. > :17:53.an uncomfortable election campaign stop in Bristol.

:17:54. > :17:56.He was taken to task for talking about boosting sales of alcohol

:17:57. > :18:00.Members of the community were also unhappy with other aspects

:18:01. > :18:09.But Mr Johnson has since apologised for the unfortunate incident.

:18:10. > :18:16.I think if I remember correctly, she said she had some personal

:18:17. > :18:20.experience of alcohol abuse within her family. I said I was sorry to

:18:21. > :18:22.hear about that will stop that was the issue.

:18:23. > :18:26.This is not the first time that Boris Johnson has done or said

:18:27. > :18:29.something that has caused controversy or embarrassment.

:18:30. > :18:36.Let's remind ourselves of some of his greatest hits...and misses.

:18:37. > :18:39.Here's the then Mayor of London hanging around

:18:40. > :18:43.near the Olympic Park in East London.

:18:44. > :18:47.Don't think he made the team though - not sure of his

:18:48. > :18:52.Another team he won't be making is the British Lions -

:18:53. > :18:56.here is on a trade visit to Japan - talk about picking on someone

:18:57. > :18:59.And credited with winning the Brexit vote by many,

:19:00. > :19:06.here he is milking it at an cattle auctioneers in Lancashire.

:19:07. > :19:16.David, are they hiding Boris? Well, this campaign has been completely

:19:17. > :19:25.dominated by Theresa May. They are hiding the party! Yes, but Boris is

:19:26. > :19:30.high risk, but he is also box office. You put Boris out there and

:19:31. > :19:35.he attracts a crowd. He is probably the biggest crowd puller of any of

:19:36. > :19:40.the Cabinet. Getting him out there, they like him. Even traditional

:19:41. > :19:46.Labour voters like him. They are prepared to forgive him for the

:19:47. > :19:51.gaffes. But he is a risk. Some are suggesting he is a risk. The flip

:19:52. > :19:55.side for Labour is that they are all too happy to talk about the party

:19:56. > :19:59.and not about Jeremy Corbyn. If you have got a popular leader, you put

:20:00. > :20:07.them out front, if not you talk about your brand. Boris is a bit of

:20:08. > :20:13.an appendix. An appendage. No, an appendix. He should be cut out?

:20:14. > :20:18.David Cameron could not reach out to the country and Theresa May is

:20:19. > :20:21.hugely popular, which means what is the point Boris Johnson in an

:20:22. > :20:24.election campaign when you have got a Conservative leader who a great

:20:25. > :20:31.number of people seem to like great deal. How are Philip Hammond and

:20:32. > :20:39.Theresa May getting on? The suggestion is it is not very good. I

:20:40. > :20:42.have been involved in this tittle tattle over the last few years. You

:20:43. > :20:46.have to stop it. It is no secret they do not really see eye to eye.

:20:47. > :20:51.He lives next door and he does not get into the half past eight Downing

:20:52. > :20:55.St meetings which George Osborne used to go into when David Cameron

:20:56. > :21:00.was Prime Minister. He says he is happy with that and he has got a

:21:01. > :21:05.direct line to the Prime Minister. But there has been some friction

:21:06. > :21:09.over things he has said about the economy, he wants more wriggle room

:21:10. > :21:15.in the economy, and there have been arguments over taxation policy. This

:21:16. > :21:20.little slip, you talk about Boris making a gaffe, but Philip Hammond

:21:21. > :21:25.made a gaffe by saying sometimes he is reduced to swearing when he is

:21:26. > :21:31.dealing with him and tittle tattle was the case when Len McCluskey was

:21:32. > :21:35.hosing down his own outspoken gaffe. Is it because they do not see eye to

:21:36. > :21:40.eye philosophically about the way to Reza make this taking the party,

:21:41. > :21:44.perhaps a little bit more interventionist, a bigger role of

:21:45. > :21:50.the state, cutting back on private enterprise? That kind of classic

:21:51. > :21:53.Tory thing, or is it also to do with Brexit, that Philip Hammond is not

:21:54. > :22:02.pushing in any way for any kind of hard Brexit. And Theresa May say

:22:03. > :22:06.that is the way forward? It is both. The role of the Treasury and the

:22:07. > :22:09.government is in many ways the weakest it has been under Theresa

:22:10. > :22:14.May and it is partly about that institutional friction as well.

:22:15. > :22:18.Eddie Price is continuing her tour of the UK with lots of balls,

:22:19. > :22:24.speaking to voters about what really matters to them. She asked people in

:22:25. > :22:29.the SNP held constituency of De Vries and Galloway if the issue of

:22:30. > :22:33.Scottish independence is a crucial issue for them in the forthcoming

:22:34. > :22:43.general election, with some interesting results. Dashed

:22:44. > :22:49.Dumfries. I am proud to be Scottish. I am very proud to be British and I

:22:50. > :22:55.am very proud to be European and you can't have all of them. What about

:22:56. > :23:02.you? School, educating, NHS, things like that. Not independence? No. I

:23:03. > :23:04.am a staunch campaigner for the union and I will be voting

:23:05. > :23:10.Conservative to remain as part of that. Why yes? I am voting

:23:11. > :23:17.independence and I have always voted yes. The election, if it included a

:23:18. > :23:23.yes or no vote for independence, I would vote that way. It is not about

:23:24. > :23:30.independence for me. What is it about? Who would be best running

:23:31. > :23:35.this country. I have believed in independence all my life, so I will

:23:36. > :23:39.not vote for anyone else except SNP. I do not want independence, I do not

:23:40. > :23:58.think anyone in Scotland should either.

:23:59. > :24:18.Dumfries and Galloway, make some noise. Thank you very much. Would

:24:19. > :24:20.you like one? Oh! Nicola Sturgeon is just hell-bent on independence. You

:24:21. > :24:27.want to bow to make sure she cannot have that? Yes. What is the most

:24:28. > :24:32.important issue in this election? It would be Brexit. Scottish

:24:33. > :24:41.independence is not a burning issue? Definitely not. What is? Helping the

:24:42. > :24:49.working class. I think this must be the first in our history, I verified

:24:50. > :24:53.dead heat in the mood box. Thank you, Dumfries and Galloway and thank

:24:54. > :24:58.you Robbie Burns. Ellie and her balls. There are

:24:59. > :25:03.several other different kinds of chocolate bars that you can get from

:25:04. > :25:10.all kinds of confectioners. A little bit of a health warning. Anyway...

:25:11. > :25:17.This is a crucial issue for the Scottish Nationalists because the

:25:18. > :25:22.whole idea of a second independence referendum, if that plays against

:25:23. > :25:27.them, they are in trouble. Yes and the Conservatives are unusually

:25:28. > :25:30.making big gains in the polls in Scotland and there are suggestions

:25:31. > :25:35.they could win five or more seats up there. If that happens, that will

:25:36. > :25:39.give more strength to Theresa May's hands to say you will not have

:25:40. > :25:45.another referendum on independence. But like the Lib Dems were remain is

:25:46. > :25:51.a big selling point for them, just most people voted to leave, so how

:25:52. > :25:53.good a unique selling point is it in the same weight for the SNP,

:25:54. > :26:00.independence. Most people just voted independence. Most people just voted

:26:01. > :26:07.is playing to just half of the is playing to just half of the

:26:08. > :26:25.Scotland, rather than looking at the looking at the record of the SNP

:26:26. > :26:25.Scotland, rather than looking at the slightly higher issues some would

:26:26. > :26:26.argue of the referendum and the role of Westminster in Scottish politics?

:26:27. > :26:28.I think why they won in 2011. They are quite

:26:29. > :26:33.good at running Scotland. But they have been NPower for a decade. Think

:26:34. > :26:39.about how Labour looked when Tony Blair had been in power. We kind of

:26:40. > :26:43.expect the SNP to be a bit mouldy. They are doing quite well for a

:26:44. > :26:49.government that has been in that long. But it is still not as good as

:26:50. > :26:52.they would ideally like. It looks like a straight fight between the

:26:53. > :26:58.Conservatives. It is difficult for them. We will leave it there. It is

:26:59. > :27:03.good to see you. I am sure we will be seeing you over the next three

:27:04. > :27:05.weeks. We will be back with more from the campaign trail tomorrow at

:27:06. > :27:23.7:30pm. Goodbye. Time for the latest weather update.

:27:24. > :27:25.You wait weeks for a proper rain to come and you get lots of