:00:03. > :00:06.The Prime Minister wants it, it's already planned for Scotland,
:00:06. > :00:07.England and Wales, so is Northern Ireland going to have gay marriage
:00:08. > :00:17.too? Sinn Fein wants a referendum on
:00:18. > :00:18.
:00:18. > :00:24.whether we have a united Ireland. 5th you make me feel like my son is
:00:24. > :00:28.something I should be ashamed of or shoes should be cast out.
:00:29. > :00:33.Sinn Fein won so refer later -- referendum on whether we have a
:00:33. > :00:36.united Ireland. DUP tells Sinn Fein, be careful what you wish for. Is
:00:36. > :00:38.the main Unionist party about to press the button on a border poll?
:00:38. > :00:41.And he's the singing sensation that's making country cool again,
:00:41. > :00:46.Nathan Carter will be performing live in this studio tonight.
:00:46. > :00:56.He picks out her partner by taking her hand, steps out on the
:00:56. > :01:25.
:01:25. > :01:28.Hello there, how are you doing? Will come along. I know you at home
:01:28. > :01:38.will want to get involved in this programme tonight. There's so much
:01:38. > :01:59.
:01:59. > :02:02.to talk about, here's how you can So, gay marriage is likely
:02:02. > :02:05.everywhere else in the UK but here in Northern Ireland the DUP says no.
:02:05. > :02:07.David Cameron wants to introduce gay marriage to England and Wales
:02:07. > :02:14.before the next general election, although the Prime Minister is
:02:14. > :02:18.facing opposition from within his own party. I am in favour of gay
:02:18. > :02:22.marriage because I am a massive support of marriage and I don't
:02:22. > :02:25.want gay people to be excluded from a great institution.
:02:25. > :02:28.Last October Assembly members here rejected a proposal to allow same-
:02:29. > :02:38.sex couples to marry. In order to get a sense of some of the issues
:02:39. > :02:45.
:02:45. > :02:52.involved, I invited some people to dinner. Take a look at this. I am
:02:52. > :02:58.the mother of a gay person, a son that I love very much and I hope to
:02:59. > :03:03.soften people's outlook on gay people. I helped Raine Presbyterian
:03:03. > :03:10.ministers and from tonight I hope to present a conservative Christian
:03:10. > :03:15.point of view that also is open, his gracious and is laughing.
:03:15. > :03:21.and I have been living with my partner for four years and I am the
:03:21. > :03:27.director of the Rainbow Project. am a Baptist pastor. I believe in
:03:27. > :03:36.what the Bible says about marriage and should be between Amman and a
:03:37. > :03:41.woman. Welcome it took a dinner. Good to see you. I want to try and
:03:41. > :03:46.delve into what we really think here in Northern Ireland. As a
:03:46. > :03:51.minister, I have to go with God's word. That is simply because it
:03:51. > :03:56.works. Do you believe in religious freedoms for religions? Then why do
:03:56. > :04:03.why have to live by your religious morals? Just before you answer, can
:04:03. > :04:08.I add very simply, you were telling us what God says should be in
:04:08. > :04:12.marriage. Court told us not to judge, what happens to that?
:04:12. > :04:16.don't have to follow any one religious group, Christians have
:04:16. > :04:22.these values because fortunately or unfortunately, whether you like it
:04:22. > :04:28.or not, we are in a Christian country. You make me feel that my
:04:28. > :04:32.son is something I should be ashamed of, or that should be cast
:04:32. > :04:35.doubt. He is an outcast from church, he is not allowed to go into a
:04:35. > :04:40.church, more or less, you don't want him there, you would not marry
:04:40. > :04:45.him there. I wish people would come into my church, I wish homosexuals
:04:45. > :04:50.and murderers would come into my church. This is the problem, I
:04:50. > :04:53.heard you say gay or murder, it rolls off the tongue. The
:04:53. > :04:56.simplicity of use in that language, you may not be making a comparison
:04:56. > :05:00.but many people have made that comparison without any
:05:00. > :05:04.consideration to the damage it causes people in my community, the
:05:04. > :05:11.damage it causes people of faith. You wonder why people don't come
:05:11. > :05:16.into your church, it is because you they feel you view them as bad as
:05:16. > :05:20.murderers. Don't ridicule his fate. He is following God's word. He is
:05:20. > :05:23.taking direction from the Bible where he chooses. First of all, I
:05:23. > :05:28.have never approached anybody with a pointed figure and said you're
:05:28. > :05:33.going to help. You don't need to do that, that is what you're saying!
:05:33. > :05:37.The Church has been the cause of heard too many people. In the LG BT
:05:37. > :05:43.Community there is no question about that but I suppose I would
:05:43. > :05:47.say sometimes you cannot have everything you want. How can they
:05:47. > :05:52.have their relationship blessed by God if they are Christian, how can
:05:52. > :05:57.they do it? To be consistent I would say they cannot enjoy God's
:05:57. > :06:03.full blessing because of the nature of how we are created. The groups
:06:03. > :06:06.that oppose it have no problem for people without faith to have civil
:06:06. > :06:10.marriages or people who were are promiscuous or swingers or people
:06:10. > :06:15.who have been married before, they are allowed to abuse and treat
:06:15. > :06:21.marriage in whatever way they want. That is not true though. But they
:06:21. > :06:26.are. But they are not! They are able to abuse marriage and form and
:06:26. > :06:31.leave marriages as they choose within the law. In terms of the
:06:31. > :06:36.state but not in terms of the Church. Do you have children?
:06:36. > :06:46.daughters. What if one of those came in and told you she was a
:06:46. > :06:49.lesbian. I would throw my arms around her and Hug her, if she said
:06:49. > :06:53.that she wanted to enter contractual law, and as it --
:06:53. > :06:57.covenanted relationship with a woman I would say, let us talk
:06:57. > :07:02.about that. I cannot court marriage by letters talk about the
:07:02. > :07:09.relationship you would cause. wouldn't marry her in your church?
:07:09. > :07:12.I couldn't. Could you tell her that? Oh, yes. Of course. She would
:07:13. > :07:17.understand as I am sure everybody would understand, the difference
:07:17. > :07:20.between love that is utterly committed to the welfare of someone
:07:20. > :07:25.and a recognition that you just cannot do something that you
:07:25. > :07:29.believe is for that person's harm. It all comes down to the authority
:07:29. > :07:35.that, first of all I have put myself under, it is the authority
:07:35. > :07:41.of the Bible. If I say something different to what is in the Bible
:07:41. > :07:45.then God is going to come looking for me. I still feel that a
:07:45. > :07:48.mother's love is unconditional but a minister's is not. He will
:07:48. > :07:55.baptise children in church but he will not stand by them, no matter
:07:55. > :08:00.what they grow up. This world is changing and we have to change in
:08:00. > :08:04.every other aspect so why not give a wee bit. Obviously a lot of you
:08:04. > :08:08.at home have a view on this. You can see the numbers coming up on
:08:08. > :08:14.your screen as to how to take part tonight. A lot of people in the
:08:14. > :08:17.audience want to do so as well. We are being told by many politicians
:08:17. > :08:20.across different parties that we want to Northern Ireland that is
:08:20. > :08:27.tolerant of each other and we share and understand each other and you
:08:27. > :08:32.are telling gay people, your party, no way can they get married, no
:08:32. > :08:37.matter what the desirous of their dreams are. We want a tolerant and
:08:37. > :08:47.inclusive society but there are no grounds to redefine a marriage.
:08:47. > :08:57.
:08:57. > :09:05.Marriage is defined and has been in law as a union between man and a
:09:05. > :09:11.woman there is no need to redefine marriage to have a tolerant society.
:09:11. > :09:14.Other DUP not opposed to the gay marriage? They spoke out in terms
:09:15. > :09:23.of a civil partnerships. They argued, was there any to redefine
:09:23. > :09:28.marriage? There was no need to redefine marriage whatsoever. In
:09:28. > :09:34.terms of equality and inclusion there is no need to redefine
:09:34. > :09:38.marriage. Is the DUP now saying it is in favour? The DUP stand by his
:09:38. > :09:45.position which is that they oppose civil partnerships. So you suppose
:09:45. > :09:55.people having a civil partnership and you oppose people having
:09:55. > :09:56.
:09:56. > :09:59.marriage. If you redefine marriage, a look at
:09:59. > :10:03.what happens in other countries where they have redefined marriage
:10:03. > :10:08.and changed the definition of marriage. You can no longer have a
:10:08. > :10:13.husband and wife, they have to be redefined. They have to be termed
:10:14. > :10:19.parties to marriage. In Brazil when they redefined marriage, people
:10:19. > :10:24.came and said I want to partners and under this redefinition I want
:10:24. > :10:29.to parties to myself, so they took three people into a marriage. Then
:10:29. > :10:33.you can no longer have a mother and a father. This is an important
:10:33. > :10:37.point. On the birth certificates in Spain, when they have redefined
:10:37. > :10:43.marriage, there is no longer a mother and father on a birth
:10:43. > :10:47.certificate, there is progenitor and progenitor be. I do what my
:10:47. > :10:57.children answering the door and having someone asked if there
:10:57. > :11:00.
:11:00. > :11:04.progenitor is in. John O'Doherty. Jonathan says he
:11:04. > :11:10.wants a society that is equal but the DUP has actively opposed every
:11:10. > :11:15.move towards equality towards us in the past. They opposed in Northern
:11:15. > :11:19.Ireland and Westminster. They opposed goods, facilities and
:11:19. > :11:28.services legislation. You voted against them in Westminster. That
:11:28. > :11:33.is not true. You voted against them. You voted against these moves
:11:33. > :11:37.towards equality. You don't believe LG BT people should be protected in
:11:37. > :11:39.their jobs and you don't support civil partnerships. Civil
:11:40. > :11:43.partnerships and equal manage -- marriage are not the same thing, if
:11:43. > :11:47.they were they would be called the same thing. In Northern Ireland you
:11:47. > :11:57.can't have a civil partnership in a faith then you according to the DUP.
:11:57. > :11:59.
:11:59. > :12:04.The only part of the UK where that They are the biggest party in at
:12:04. > :12:09.Northern Ireland. They have a massive line of support. If you
:12:09. > :12:14.believe in democracy, every time they stand in front of the
:12:14. > :12:23.electorate, they get the vote. Rights cannot be dictated by the
:12:23. > :12:29.majority. We are talking about a can -- and a community there has
:12:29. > :12:35.been continually discriminated against. When women were not seen
:12:35. > :12:41.as equal, marriage was a very different think. It was about meant
:12:41. > :12:49.being able to ensure the paternity of their children. Gay marriage was
:12:49. > :12:55.never considered too discussed. want this to be a conversation, not
:12:55. > :13:05.a monologue. Until of 30 years ago, LGBT people were criminalised
:13:05. > :13:10.
:13:10. > :13:14.against. Let me take the issue of equality. Article 12 of the
:13:14. > :13:20.European law says it is not that an issue of equality because all of
:13:20. > :13:29.the rights in marriage but equally applicable in civil partnerships.
:13:29. > :13:37.But you don't believe in civil partnerships. The second point is
:13:37. > :13:43.it is a matter of human rights. This came before the United Nations.
:13:43. > :13:52.It is a matter of taking marriage, at redefining it, disallowing
:13:53. > :14:01.people to become a husband, this allowing people to become a wife.
:14:01. > :14:06.This idea of how things will work are irrelevant. We have an
:14:06. > :14:16.opportunity to define marriage the way we choose. We can choose to
:14:16. > :14:21.
:14:21. > :14:29.have husbands and wives, mothers and fathers. Yes, so. At the back.
:14:29. > :14:34.Jonathan, I don't know about you, by living Northern Ireland. As a
:14:34. > :14:44.young gay man, I don't see why it I should not be allowed to marry
:14:44. > :14:52.
:14:52. > :15:00.another man. I am speaking, OK? APPLAUSE I have witnessed
:15:00. > :15:10.homophobia. But you and your party members, it is that people are
:15:10. > :15:10.
:15:10. > :15:20.afraid to come out of their closet. Another thing, I'll DUP party for
:15:20. > :15:21.
:15:21. > :15:27.all? Which, all but gays? You don't have to support homophobia or
:15:27. > :15:37.bullying. It is not encouraged at all. Just because we don't accept
:15:37. > :15:39.
:15:40. > :15:47.gay marriage, but that does not mean bullying. On that point, or
:15:47. > :15:52.when the nor was being changed in the UK to decriminalise
:15:52. > :15:57.homosexuality in Northern Ireland, the DUP submission N19 82, opposing
:15:57. > :16:02.moves to make homosexuality legal, I have it here. One of the things
:16:02. > :16:07.will party argued was this - the effect of the law as a restraint of
:16:07. > :16:17.beasts reality, incest and rape will be further reduced. Does the
:16:17. > :16:20.
:16:20. > :16:27.DUP still feel that is the position? I am not going down the
:16:27. > :16:31.road of talking about bestiality of trying to be derogatory to anybody.
:16:31. > :16:37.Was the DUP wrong to say homosexuality should be illegal?
:16:37. > :16:43.Yes or no? Or do I am saying to you is marriages between a man and a
:16:43. > :16:52.woman. The Democratic Unionist Party will not allow the law to
:16:52. > :17:00.change in Northern Ireland. We have you have also support for that.
:17:00. > :17:05.you're going to dock the question, 31 at years later? You will not
:17:05. > :17:12.believe me to redefine marriage. I believe marriage is between a man
:17:12. > :17:17.and a woman, children should have the right to a mother and my father.
:17:17. > :17:27.We are known each other a while. When I ask a question, it is not
:17:27. > :17:32.bullying because you do not like the question. APPLAUSE So, when the
:17:32. > :17:37.leader of your party, Peter Robinson, says, he wants to include
:17:37. > :17:42.everybody, has your party changed? 31 years later, does your party
:17:42. > :17:46.stand over the statement that the effect of the law, in terms of
:17:46. > :17:55.homosexuality being illegal as a restraint on bestiality, incest and
:17:55. > :18:00.rape, would be further reduced? I be clear with you? People have
:18:00. > :18:04.their own rights and religious beliefs, and people like myself
:18:04. > :18:11.have a Christian faith. There are other people in the Islamic
:18:11. > :18:21.community, the Jewish community, who share some of those principles
:18:21. > :18:30.
:18:30. > :18:40.of howl marriage should be. Hello, serve. I am all for gay marriage in
:18:40. > :18:41.
:18:41. > :18:49.the eyes of the law, in the eyes of God, no. But what about the
:18:49. > :18:55.Christians and other people? They have got their faith, 2000 years
:18:55. > :19:03.old. You cannot change a 2,000- year-old to scripture. A marriage
:19:03. > :19:13.takes years and years. You are together, man and wife, but it
:19:13. > :19:15.
:19:15. > :19:20.takes years to perfect a marriage. I couldn't agree more. What we are
:19:20. > :19:24.calling for is the introduction of religious freedom, but the point
:19:24. > :19:34.that Jonathan was making about those faith groups opposing
:19:34. > :19:35.
:19:35. > :19:44.marriage, but they should be allowed to do so. No one should be
:19:44. > :19:49.forced. This is a slippery slope. You start off by saying no church,
:19:49. > :19:55.no minister, will be forced to do this, and then it goes to a
:19:55. > :20:05.European Court, and then a European role in. A people would never be
:20:05. > :20:06.
:20:06. > :20:12.post it to do anything. Let us look at the issue of divorce - can any
:20:12. > :20:22.faith group be forced to marry any people divorced? No. Was it brought
:20:22. > :20:23.
:20:23. > :20:29.a European Court? Yes. Patrick, a journalist. How do you think this
:20:29. > :20:39.position as Northern Ireland? looks like Northern Ireland is in
:20:39. > :20:40.
:20:40. > :20:45.the dark here. You don't even believe in freedom of speech! The
:20:45. > :20:55.rest of the UK sees Northern Ireland as in the dark ages. In the
:20:55. > :20:55.
:20:55. > :21:01.last year, let me talk about three issues... Would you let me finish?!
:21:01. > :21:07.I will cherish, he will speak. Three issues have come to the for
:21:08. > :21:12.about Northern Ireland. One, the riots. What image does that
:21:12. > :21:20.portray? The other is that many politicians, including you, and
:21:20. > :21:24.religious leaders, who spout homophobic bile, who likened
:21:24. > :21:31.homosexuality to bestiality and incest, and the third issue came
:21:31. > :21:36.about this morning. In England, we hear Northern Ireland has the
:21:36. > :21:40.highest suicide rate among young people. Look at the peak --
:21:40. > :21:47.problems in Northern Ireland. What a religious and political leaders
:21:47. > :21:56.are doing? They are selling no to love and marriage. There is a split
:21:56. > :22:02.in the Tory party about a marriage. It is not this call. The majority
:22:02. > :22:10.of Tory MPs support gay marriage. 7% of the UK, in the last opinion
:22:10. > :22:14.poll, said they did not want to legalise gay marriage. One million
:22:14. > :22:20.people on the streets of Paris to say it was a right to keep marriage
:22:20. > :22:27.between a man and a woman. It is right for children to have a father
:22:27. > :22:37.and a mother. Regarding trouble, you are living in the safest city
:22:37. > :22:39.
:22:39. > :22:44.in the UK, sunshine! APPLAUSE David Smith. There are several issues
:22:44. > :22:54.here. It is really important for Christians to keep in mind in truth
:22:54. > :22:56.
:22:56. > :23:03.and love. As the marriage Christian person, I find it offensive,
:23:03. > :23:09.because I do not think marriage is unequal. That suggests marriage is
:23:09. > :23:17.unequal. Man at -- marriage has never been gender-neutral. I
:23:17. > :23:23.condemn homophobia. The European Court cases last week found
:23:24. > :23:31.Christian belief in sex within marriage was unorthodox view.
:23:31. > :23:35.madam. I find it ironic that the DUP, or who are so British, are
:23:35. > :23:40.taking them anti-British stance and not aligning themselves with
:23:40. > :23:50.England, Scotland and Wales on this issue. They are meant to be
:23:50. > :23:51.
:23:51. > :23:57.British! APPLAUSE Do you have a question? Yes, why take such an
:23:57. > :24:03.anti-British stance? When people in the UK were asked, they still
:24:03. > :24:08.believed in the definition of marriage. Seven out of 10 people
:24:08. > :24:17.what of the view that in civil partnerships, though all the rights
:24:17. > :24:26.and responsibilities. Let me tell you what this means. It means the
:24:26. > :24:32.church that will not marry a same- sex couple... Dot a church there or
:24:32. > :24:41.not marry would be denied the use. They would not be allowed to use
:24:41. > :24:51.public facilities, hire halls. A teacher that refused to at -- teach
:24:51. > :24:51.
:24:51. > :24:57.basics would be deeps most -- would be dismissed. There is no such
:24:57. > :25:03.there's gay marriage, Steve. A worker, in his private time, said,
:25:03. > :25:08.but I don't believe we should redefine marriage. If you do want
:25:08. > :25:13.to pick up the phone, the numbers are coming up on your screens now.
:25:13. > :25:19.Juliane, you are in a lesbian relationship. What would you like
:25:19. > :25:24.to say? I appreciate your are Christian, but your values I want
:25:24. > :25:29.to question. The Bible you are quoting from promotes slavery. Yes,
:25:29. > :25:38.it does. It all so Warren's the death penalty for anyone that
:25:38. > :25:48.commits adultery. It promotes racism. And yet, you let these
:25:48. > :25:50.
:25:50. > :25:58.people get married? Do you know what motivated the end of slavery?
:25:58. > :26:08.A Christian. William Wilberforce, or Christian values. So a Christian
:26:08. > :26:13.went against his own word? It is not acceptable. The institution of
:26:13. > :26:21.marriage has been longer than the Church. There has been there before
:26:21. > :26:31.the church and law. It is not broken. We are better dicky
:26:31. > :26:32.
:26:32. > :26:37.marriage as it stands. -- we are better to keep a marriage. Equal
:26:37. > :26:44.marriage is not some new idea. The criminal Ladyship --
:26:44. > :26:52.decriminalisation of marriage happened. Jonathan, you started off
:26:52. > :27:02.saying the redefinition of the mother and the father in a gay
:27:02. > :27:05.
:27:05. > :27:12.marriage. What is your stance on I believe children are best brought
:27:12. > :27:18.up by a mother and a father. People talk about homophobia and all of
:27:18. > :27:23.that nonsense but an I could tell you about a gay journalist who
:27:23. > :27:28.thinks we should not a change marriage. Christopher Biggins, a
:27:28. > :27:35.gay actor, believes that we should not redefine marriage. In terms of
:27:36. > :27:40.a doctor -- in terms of adoption... For every gay person are you can
:27:40. > :27:46.find that a pose is gay marriage, I can find 10 Christians who support
:27:46. > :27:52.gay marriage. In the Telegraph a gay man said that the child should
:27:52. > :27:57.best start with a mother and father and that is the way forward. Where
:27:57. > :28:02.does it say that? There are many, many heterosexual couples, all over
:28:02. > :28:08.the world, who bring up children and they turn into criminals,
:28:08. > :28:12.murderers, the definition of parenting is not Dhanjal sexuality.
:28:12. > :28:16.The definition of parenting is down to the person and how you look
:28:16. > :28:20.after your child. The most stable relationship for a child, and we
:28:20. > :28:24.want the best relationships for our children, particularly adopted
:28:24. > :28:31.children, or children in care, the best and most stable relationship
:28:32. > :28:36.for them is for a child to be brought up with a mother and father.
:28:36. > :28:43.Jonathan, thank you for coming into the studio tonight. Give them a
:28:43. > :28:48.round of applause. There are so many of you trying to get through
:28:48. > :28:55.to us tonight. The numbers are coming up on your screen. Who do we
:28:55. > :29:02.have on air? Adrian. Hello Adrian. I have two points. When God created
:29:02. > :29:09.the world he created Adam and Eve. He did not create too Adams or to
:29:09. > :29:12.eat. Do you understand? I do. two men marry and their adopted
:29:12. > :29:18.child, when that child goes to school, that child will be bullied,
:29:18. > :29:22.that child has no mother, he has no mud that love. Every child needs a
:29:22. > :29:29.mother's love. He needs a mother to cuddle. That child will be bullied
:29:29. > :29:33.at school and his mind will be warp. How do you feel a child, possibly
:29:33. > :29:37.listening to the show, or indeed a young gay man or woman, will be
:29:37. > :29:41.feeling tonight if they just want to be accepted into the society and
:29:41. > :29:45.you tell them that they cannot have they same rights as someone who is
:29:45. > :29:50.straight, do you think they will feel bullied? There is a law and it
:29:50. > :29:55.was made in the Ten Commandments. The law was made for this world. It
:29:55. > :30:03.was made thousands of years ago. There was nothing in the Ten
:30:03. > :30:08.Commandments about being gay. Aldham and Gomorrah. Thank you very
:30:08. > :30:13.much for your call. David, please be quick. I would like to say that
:30:13. > :30:16.I am with my to partner of 22 years and I would love to marry him in
:30:16. > :30:21.Belfast. The DUP and Christian people have no right to put their
:30:21. > :30:25.views on to me. They have every right if they are democratically
:30:25. > :30:28.elected! They have no right to discriminate against gay people.
:30:28. > :30:33.They have a right to their views and I respect their views but at
:30:33. > :30:36.the same time I won the same rights for my part as a man and a woman
:30:36. > :30:42.have. Let me read some texts that are coming year. Collins as they
:30:42. > :30:47.want got that and nothing will happen. While we change in the
:30:47. > :30:52.Lord? Adrian says children who grow up in gay relationships have warped
:30:52. > :30:56.minds. Another one says he wants the opportunity to get married.
:30:56. > :31:00.This one says that a while ago people at the same ideas about
:31:00. > :31:05.Inter racial marriages and times are changing and the DUP should
:31:05. > :31:08.change with it. On the texts tonight they are coming in on
:31:08. > :31:11.Twitter. We are continuing the discussion tonight and we will
:31:11. > :31:13.continue it on the radio programme tomorrow morning.
:31:13. > :31:18.Here's what still to come on tonight's programme:
:31:18. > :31:20.Is the DUP about to consent to a vote on a united Ireland?
:31:20. > :31:24.Now, make-ups, break-ups, cheating and heartache - the mainstay of
:31:24. > :31:29.country and western music. Often regarded as something of a guilty
:31:29. > :31:32.pleasure, one young man is doing his best to make it mainstream.
:31:32. > :31:37.He's packing out venues across Northern Ireland and is gathering a
:31:37. > :31:47.cult following among his peers. You have a hat for me, do you? I
:31:47. > :31:48.
:31:48. > :31:52.will look lovely in theirs. -- lovely in this. He is getting a
:31:52. > :32:02.cult following. Do you want to read the rest of the autocue? Ladies and
:32:02. > :32:13.
:32:13. > :32:20.gentlemen, Nathan Carter. Good evening. Clapp those hands.
:32:20. > :32:24.Have to dance down to the land of the blinds.
:32:24. > :32:29.Staring down the road I see headlights.
:32:29. > :32:39.I made it down the coast in 17 hours.
:32:39. > :32:42.
:32:42. > :32:50.I'm hoping to see my baby tonight. Rock me mum I like a Wagon Wheel.
:32:50. > :32:57.Rock me mum a any way you feel. Yeah, rock me.
:32:57. > :33:07.Rock me, mum or, like a Wagon Wheel. Rock may like a southbound train.
:33:07. > :33:25.
:33:25. > :33:26.I was running away. Born to be a fiddler in an all-time
:33:26. > :33:36.ring. My baby plays the guitar.
:33:36. > :33:50.
:33:50. > :33:55.I play the banjo and. I am turning back. Rock may, momma,
:33:55. > :34:01.like a wagon a real. Rock me any way you feel.
:34:01. > :34:11.Rockliffe. Rock me like the rain.
:34:11. > :34:29.
:34:29. > :34:39.Rockley like a southbound train. I was rocking to the south. He's
:34:39. > :34:52.
:34:52. > :35:02.At least I will be freed. Rock my ear like a Wagon Wheel.
:35:02. > :35:02.
:35:02. > :36:18.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 76 seconds
:36:18. > :36:25.Rock me any way you feel. Four APPLAUSE.
:36:26. > :36:31.Good to see it. I was listening to that. It is really only on this
:36:31. > :36:40.show we can go from a gay marriage and now I am sitting in a pink hat
:36:40. > :36:45.talking to a country and western star. How does this happen? Your
:36:45. > :36:51.story is really intriguing. You are attracting so many people now have
:36:51. > :36:55.to the country and western singer. You were in your twenties. Yes, 22.
:36:55. > :37:00.What is it all about? I would not have thought it is cool, don't fall
:37:00. > :37:05.out with me here, I would not have thought it is cool and trendy for
:37:05. > :37:09.young people to like country music. It definitely wasn't when I have
:37:09. > :37:14.was growing up. I was involved in traditional music for many years. I
:37:14. > :37:22.played the accordion and of course my Nan who is originally and Warren.
:37:22. > :37:26.She used to take me along to see a lot of show bands. I saw all these
:37:26. > :37:30.old country and show bans and I'd thought I would love to do that one
:37:30. > :37:35.day but try and get more young people into it and get it a bit
:37:35. > :37:41.more cool, if you like? But it is difficult, is it difficult to make
:37:41. > :37:45.it caller? People talk about rap music and all of that, fair enough
:37:45. > :37:51.that your age but dance music, country and western? How are you
:37:51. > :37:55.doing it? I suppose I picked a couple of songs that would appeal
:37:55. > :37:59.to all generations. A lot of people have come to watch Giggs a young
:37:59. > :38:03.children of five and six to come with their parents and their
:38:03. > :38:07.grandparents and people my age are mad about dancing and people in the
:38:07. > :38:12.teenage years love jive and dancing. It is brilliant to see young people
:38:12. > :38:16.in the dance halls. I see it in the older crowd, the editor of this
:38:16. > :38:21.programme is a big fan. You definitely have that audience boxed
:38:21. > :38:25.off. You have the young audience, what is the ambition, what do you
:38:25. > :38:29.think you can do? We do a lot of dances and it is good to see dance
:38:29. > :38:32.halls full but I would love to going to concerts. We have
:38:32. > :38:36.experimented with some concerts recently and it was a very
:38:36. > :38:46.different age group. It was a great atmosphere and we have a run of
:38:46. > :38:51.concerts coming up and we will play our first gig in Belfast very soon.
:38:51. > :38:55.If it is good music, it is good music. Garth Brooks has done a
:38:55. > :39:03.massive amount as well as the Dixie chicks. I do not see why it cannot
:39:03. > :39:09.be done again and try and get everyone involved. I tell you what
:39:09. > :39:13.I really love about this story and you being on this programme tonight,
:39:13. > :39:16.we have been covering some pretty heavy current affairs issues on the
:39:16. > :39:21.radio programme and this television programme over many weeks. There
:39:21. > :39:24.are people that remind me that we have a lot to be positive about in
:39:24. > :39:27.Northern Ireland and we need to invest in our young people and we
:39:27. > :39:32.need to make young people think that if you have a dream or an
:39:32. > :39:36.ambition, do it, go for it. I am really pleased that you were in the
:39:36. > :39:42.studio tonight. Thank you for having me on and the thank you to
:39:42. > :39:50.the audience for making me feel so welcome. I really do hope that you
:39:50. > :39:55.are a big star in the future. Ladies and gentlemen, Nathan Carter.
:39:55. > :40:05.Thank you. Now, before we move on, here's a
:40:05. > :40:31.
:40:31. > :40:34.quick reminder of how you can get Yesterday the DUP hinted that it
:40:34. > :40:40.may support a referendum on a united Ireland. It told Sinn Fein,
:40:40. > :40:46.bring it on, but stress it hasn't made a final decision.
:40:46. > :40:51.Let us discuss this. We have the DUP Minister Arlene Foster in the
:40:51. > :40:56.studio and the Sinn Fein MLA Alex Maskey. It was surprising what you
:40:56. > :41:01.said on the radio programme. Peter Robinson a week ago said something
:41:01. > :41:06.completely different. That is what you call discussion in a political
:41:06. > :41:10.party. That is a U-turn! Know it is not. This is a stunt from P Sinn
:41:10. > :41:15.Fein because they know full well people will not vote for a united
:41:15. > :41:19.Ireland so it is some wait for them to get their supporters some
:41:19. > :41:29.sustenance and they are putting is out in front of them and saying to
:41:29. > :41:33.
:41:33. > :41:40.keep the faith when in actual fact We are not about preventing some
:41:40. > :41:45.kind of sauce -- false sustenance, because let us take it, and I would
:41:45. > :41:52.not take any vote for granted, but a party's growth has been steadily
:41:52. > :42:02.improving. We are winning people to the Republic of Ireland. So that a
:42:02. > :42:03.
:42:03. > :42:13.united Ireland. What is she getting out of it. First of all, we have
:42:13. > :42:15.
:42:15. > :42:25.begun a debate. So let. What are the benefits? Obviously, her party
:42:25. > :42:25.
:42:25. > :42:32.are not against a united Ireland. It makes sense. We are a very small
:42:32. > :42:42.island. We are divided into macro. We have a duplicated health service,
:42:42. > :42:45.
:42:45. > :42:53.economy. It is very interesting and knowledgeable that her party
:42:53. > :42:59.colleague is their -- working very constructively, doing a joint work
:42:59. > :43:04.which makes economic sense. It is about doing away with inefficiency
:43:04. > :43:13.and duplication, it is about making everybody's powder or Europe --
:43:13. > :43:18.your road work to the best effect for everybody. So you want to keep
:43:18. > :43:23.a united Health Service in a united Ireland? Let us have a discussion
:43:23. > :43:30.about what health service we want. You know the health service here is
:43:30. > :43:35.not up to standard in the way it should be. We don't agree that the
:43:35. > :43:44.health service in the south of Ireland is up to scratch. The DUP
:43:44. > :43:54.has proven... What is better, or the one in the south on the one up
:43:54. > :43:55.
:43:55. > :44:03.here? You can take desperate -- different aspects of it. Certainly,
:44:03. > :44:09.half the problem... I spent my life trying to get you guys to answer a
:44:09. > :44:16.question, or all her love you! Which in your view has a better
:44:16. > :44:24.hole surface? You're asking the wrong question. I will give you an
:44:24. > :44:31.answer. We both health departments are doing is taking innovative
:44:31. > :44:41.decisions and initiative. Her own party colleague is proving that
:44:41. > :44:50.doing away with a duplication works for people. Same question to you -
:44:51. > :45:00.so the union. The union is better from a historical, political,
:45:01. > :45:01.
:45:01. > :45:08.cultural and religious point of view. We are in a strong economy in
:45:09. > :45:15.the UK. If you look good unemployment statistics, we are
:45:15. > :45:25.7.9% - too high. And the Republic - a 15%. We are getting �10 billion
:45:25. > :45:26.
:45:26. > :45:34.from Westminster every year. Yes, we are. You are not. Therein lies
:45:34. > :45:39.the big question - and fair play to Sammy Wilson, who has been
:45:39. > :45:44.challenging Britain to come clean about the figures. The �10 billion
:45:44. > :45:50.to speak about, almost 6 billion of that is not even come in the first
:45:50. > :46:00.instance. It goes off to fight the war in Afghanistan. Look at the
:46:00. > :46:00.
:46:00. > :46:06.Act's. You know very well that defences and the national budget.
:46:06. > :46:16.What rubbish! Again, Sinn Fein have been shown to be economic
:46:16. > :46:21.
:46:21. > :46:27.illiterate, yet again. The figures there I will cope to come
:46:27. > :46:37.directly... But the fact that Sammy Wilson and the British Treasury,
:46:37. > :46:42.
:46:42. > :46:48.all the figures we walk Probes are entirely truthful stub. It was only
:46:48. > :46:52.a few months ago, when the cuts from Westminster would been imposed
:46:52. > :47:00.in Northern Ireland, the members of your party were telling us, telling
:47:00. > :47:03.me on the radio, on television, very little we can do, sorry!
:47:03. > :47:12.you rather we were in deep Republican ballot where the
:47:12. > :47:16.austerity is much, much worse? question was, we the people of
:47:16. > :47:19.Northern Ireland needed to see how strong local politics and
:47:19. > :47:28.devolution was in Northern Ireland, the response of your party is,
:47:28. > :47:35.their little we can do. It is up to me and others how we spend a grant.
:47:35. > :47:42.We are not powerless! We thought the Cup so we got more money, did
:47:42. > :47:46.we? We get money from the block grant. If you are seriously saying
:47:46. > :47:52.we would be better off with Dublin, I have to say, you're going down
:47:52. > :47:56.the same road as a Sinn Fein. Dublin does not have control of
:47:57. > :48:06.their own affairs - Germany controls at. That is not a place I
:48:07. > :48:10.
:48:10. > :48:15.want to be. A Bros macro. What you think? The state was founded on the
:48:15. > :48:20.creation of the border in the first place. It has shipped a political
:48:20. > :48:26.parties, it ships how we vote, since the state was founded until
:48:26. > :48:35.last week. Clearly, the bear the matters to people. Let see how much
:48:35. > :48:40.it matters to how many people. If we made a decision had that the
:48:40. > :48:44.majority of people want to stay in the UK, if they want to have an
:48:44. > :48:50.All-Ireland state, we can make arrangements for that. It doesn't
:48:50. > :48:59.make sense to have a problem and pretended is not there. Young
:48:59. > :49:09.fellow in the grey jumper. As a young voter, at the minute, this
:49:09. > :49:10.
:49:10. > :49:17.really doesn't bother me. We are waiting for riots to clear. Why not
:49:17. > :49:24.let us not worry about what's happening now? None of those things
:49:24. > :49:29.are exclusive. We are working full tilt with the Good Friday Agreement.
:49:29. > :49:37.I suggest people get a copy with it because it is a very complex
:49:37. > :49:42.document. Republicans agreed with it, but at the end of the day, that
:49:42. > :49:52.provides for though fact we worked together now or in a power-sharing
:49:52. > :49:57.government. We share power on the basis of equality. We work within
:49:57. > :50:06.the current constitutional status quo, but we have the right to
:50:06. > :50:15.propose and discuss a border vote. We can do it better across the
:50:15. > :50:23.island. Can I know some of the detail of this? When this border
:50:23. > :50:28.poll happens, Good Friday Agreement says that, if there happens, if
:50:28. > :50:35.this happens, Good Friday Agreement says what you're doing is measuring
:50:35. > :50:39.the people of Northern Ireland. Do you accept that or you think they
:50:39. > :50:49.should be a poll in the south of Ireland as well, and all the
:50:49. > :50:50.
:50:50. > :50:56.numbers are added up? The Good Friday Agreement is legally binding.
:50:56. > :51:04.The people voted across the island for the Good Friday Agreement. The
:51:04. > :51:14.majority voted for it. Now, the Good Friday Agreement provides for
:51:14. > :51:23.this. The Good Friday Agreement provides for a poll, and the
:51:23. > :51:28.majority of the people decided they wanted Pol, their discussions will
:51:28. > :51:35.begin, and the British and Irish government will have that. Die in a
:51:35. > :51:40.checked shirt. Just taking into perspective the current economic
:51:40. > :51:50.situation, if a poll was to take place, how much would it cost and
:51:50. > :51:52.
:51:52. > :51:56.how could be justified? I think she asked Sinn Fein. We need to be very
:51:56. > :52:02.clear about what I said yesterday. It is fantasy politics from Sinn
:52:02. > :52:09.Fein Foster up a be careful for what you wish for, I said, because
:52:09. > :52:15.we could call their bluff her. We are very confident in our unionism,
:52:15. > :52:25.and we are not going away. You can assure you like for a united
:52:25. > :52:27.
:52:27. > :52:34.Ireland, it ain't going to happen! APPLAUSE. You are, of girls,
:52:34. > :52:44.entitled to your opinion. At some point, there will be a border poll.
:52:44. > :52:46.
:52:46. > :52:51.That is inevitable. Look at the demographics. I don't know what is
:52:51. > :53:01.in the minds of every citizen, but I want to give them an opportunity.
:53:01. > :53:02.
:53:02. > :53:11.Michael wants to speak to you. accuse Sinn Fein of wealth
:53:11. > :53:17.indulging in Sinn Fein fantasy politics. But a 5 billion deficit,
:53:17. > :53:25.is that this success? The Northern Ireland TLC is bankrupt, not Tony
:53:25. > :53:33.economically, but politically. Why not thinking of new ways forward?
:53:33. > :53:38.My goodness... This gentleman is obviously a republican. But I am a
:53:38. > :53:48.unionist. I believe it is right for the people of Northern Ireland,
:53:48. > :53:51.
:53:51. > :54:01.they will be better off by staying within the UK. I am still here.
:54:01. > :54:05.Anyway, the reality is whether it is 10 billion or 5 billion, no
:54:05. > :54:15.country or business can sustain that. Let's look at what will
:54:15. > :54:22.
:54:22. > :54:29.happen. Being is on the phone. British government to allow this
:54:29. > :54:35.piece of fantasy been on a border poll, and that turns out a response
:54:35. > :54:43.that the vast majority of the citizens of this country, could
:54:43. > :54:53.your party feel they know the mind and could work? And if you do, how
:54:53. > :54:57.
:54:57. > :55:03.do you intend to pay? First of all, we are working together. Were you
:55:03. > :55:08.may not always get it right, but we upset the Good Friday Agreement and
:55:08. > :55:16.a border poll. Or I am I St Ewe, look at the Good Friday Agreement
:55:16. > :55:21.in its entirety. We are talking as if this was a practical discussion
:55:21. > :55:27.about the economy and health. The reality is that if Dublin was Dubai,
:55:27. > :55:33.you would still not want a united Ireland. You are speaking out over
:55:33. > :55:43.an ideological unionism. And if Britain was the greatest country in
:55:43. > :55:46.
:55:46. > :55:56.the world,... That is why I want self-determination. It Dublin was
:55:56. > :56:06.Dubai, you would buy into it? said he would accept the result of
:56:06. > :56:07.
:56:07. > :56:13.that poll. Would you? Yes, of course! But it will not happen. If
:56:13. > :56:19.it happens, of course I will accepted. Where is your party
:56:19. > :56:24.tonight on the position? The same place where we were when I spoke to
:56:24. > :56:27.you yesterday morning. We are simply saying that if Sinn Fein
:56:27. > :56:35.wants to involve them fantasy politics, let us do with that
:56:35. > :56:41.because we won stability. Couple of minutes left. I think Sinn Fein
:56:41. > :56:51.have shot themselves in the third. This is their own -- the wrong time
:56:51. > :56:57.
:56:57. > :57:02.for anybody. At the frontier. listened yesterday, and she said it
:57:02. > :57:05.is up to Britain to decide. I thought the people of Northern
:57:05. > :57:15.Ireland should have the right to decide for themselves, not an
:57:15. > :57:20.
:57:20. > :57:30.English politician. She has to call it when there is evidence. I want
:57:30. > :57:31.
:57:31. > :57:39.to squeeze a couple more people in. Why would you want a united Ireland
:57:39. > :57:49.when people in Belfast cost the economy 12 million over a period of
:57:49. > :57:52.
:57:52. > :58:02.three months it? Or I am not asking be able to vote for a united
:58:02. > :58:03.
:58:03. > :58:08.Ireland! What we are suggesting is we want to see a border poll within
:58:08. > :58:14.the lifetime of the next Assembly, but of people talk about fantasy
:58:14. > :58:24.politics, there will not be power- sharing, the DUP would not be in
:58:24. > :58:29.government with Sinn Fein. But they are. 2016 will come and go. And
:58:29. > :58:34.united Ireland or not be here. That's all we have time for tonight.