:00:12. > :00:17.Blood donation, no adoption and no marriage. Is Northern Ireland a cold
:00:18. > :00:24.house for gay people? Are you afraid? I'm not afraid. What are you
:00:25. > :00:29.worried about I'm a gay man. Are lads' mags and page three exploiting
:00:30. > :00:32.women? Is this about freedom and it's a bit of harmless fun. And, I
:00:33. > :00:39.have been speaking to the man reknowned for his campaigning around
:00:40. > :00:46.the world. Our special guest tonight is Bob Geldof. Give it a rest, grow
:00:47. > :01:16.up. How are you doing? We have a
:01:17. > :01:20.cracking audience in here tonight. Thank you for joining us. We are on
:01:21. > :01:25.BBC One. Last Friday the Health Minister, poot Edwin Poots, lost a
:01:26. > :01:30.legal battle over the lifetime ban on gay men here giving blood. He is
:01:31. > :01:34.fighting to prevent gay couples adopting children here. Stormont has
:01:35. > :01:38.said no, the same-sex marriage laws passed in England and Wales.
:01:39. > :01:43.Tonight, we are asking the question, is Northern Ireland a cold house for
:01:44. > :01:56.gay people? The fact is, gay right battles here goes back decades.
:01:57. > :02:04.People have to accept that minorities do have these rights. You
:02:05. > :02:10.will legislate perversion and immorality.
:02:11. > :02:17.For us this is about making a choice to have our rights, our civil
:02:18. > :02:25.rights, acknowledged and respected and protected as any human being.
:02:26. > :02:28.Edwin Poots is beside me here, he has described civil partnerships as
:02:29. > :02:32.wrong, immoral and something which sticks in the throat. Basically,
:02:33. > :02:39.it's unnatural in the first instance. It's abop in a be in the
:02:40. > :02:58.second instance. Are you afraid? I'm not afraid. I'm a gay man.
:02:59. > :03:05.It's a public safety issue. In the last 10 years we have seen an
:03:06. > :03:10.increase in HIV, the problem hasn't gone away.
:03:11. > :03:18.There is children here waiting in the system to have families come
:03:19. > :03:26.forward, but unfortunately we aren't allowed to go down that route. That
:03:27. > :03:29.is just some of the time line. A cold house, Northern Ireland, for
:03:30. > :03:35.gay people? Absolutely. Before you even look at the issue of marriage,
:03:36. > :03:37.blood, there are key issues which are impacting on people here in
:03:38. > :03:44.Northern Ireland. Our Assembly has yet to pass any measure, any law or
:03:45. > :03:49.any change that would improve the lives of people here. We still see
:03:50. > :03:54.homophobe in our streets, in the news, from politician, we have no no
:03:55. > :04:02.protections at school. Northern Ireland has a huge way to ensure
:04:03. > :04:07.equality for all. 15 to 20 years ago the statement may have been true.
:04:08. > :04:14.Legislation has changed, public perception has changed. The church
:04:15. > :04:19.has changed. It -- there has been a big change. There are discussions at
:04:20. > :04:26.play about where the rights are now in the three debates. S campaigns
:04:27. > :04:30.you are talking about, were they wrong? The church is a being withing
:04:31. > :04:34.community. It is. It pre-dates my time. There has been a reflection on
:04:35. > :04:39.that. The campaigns from the churches, they were wrong, were
:04:40. > :04:42.they? We need to have a range of views. John has a different view of
:04:43. > :04:46.where we have, we need to see where we can be tolerant and respectful of
:04:47. > :04:54.two different views on the subject matter. Peter is right, it can take
:04:55. > :04:59.away on the key issues. For hundreds of years they have been invisible.
:05:00. > :05:02.We started to say we will not tolerate this the any more. We want
:05:03. > :05:05.to live our lives. We had a huge response from the churches. We have
:05:06. > :05:11.had huge responses from politicians in both positive and negative ways.
:05:12. > :05:16.You are saying there has been no legislation passed pro-gay in
:05:17. > :05:18.Northern Ireland? Yes. That is the democratic process. These parties
:05:19. > :05:22.have huge mandates. People continue to back them. They are delivering
:05:23. > :05:27.what the people want? Absolutely. Against what you want? The rights of
:05:28. > :05:33.the minority. You don't have the will of the people? The rights of
:05:34. > :05:38.the minority can't be decided by the majority. In so many places we have
:05:39. > :05:43.had huge human rights violations and equality issues impacting on so many
:05:44. > :05:50.communities. When we look at the Nazi concentration camps and the
:05:51. > :05:54.thousands of people imprisoned because of their sexual orientation,
:05:55. > :05:58.where do we draw the line? If you are sitting at home you will want to
:05:59. > :06:00.scream at the TV, don't get on the phone. There are loads of ways to
:06:01. > :06:30.get in touch with us tonight. : Let us go into the crowd. I find it
:06:31. > :06:33.strange how the people in the Northern Ireland Assembly who are so
:06:34. > :06:38.proud to be part of the UK, why is that they find it hard to accept
:06:39. > :06:41.some of the laws embraced by the United Kingdom. It should not be
:06:42. > :06:45.that England and Wales can have one law and Northern Ireland have its
:06:46. > :06:50.separate law. We could put that question...
:06:51. > :06:54.APPLAUSE I said this to a senior politician a
:06:55. > :06:59.few days ago. If you look around this audience, if you look at the
:07:00. > :07:02.break down of the Nolan Show and radio and TV loads of young people
:07:03. > :07:05.break down of the Nolan Show and engaging in politics here on this
:07:06. > :07:08.programme. We asked the Democratic Unionist Party to come in tonight.
:07:09. > :07:13.We could have put that question to them. They didn't want to turn up or
:07:14. > :07:18.engage with someone like you on this issue. When we ask them to come in
:07:19. > :07:20.here on orange and green issues they usually come. Read into that what
:07:21. > :07:25.you want. How would you answer that you want. How would you answer that
:07:26. > :07:29.young man's question. There are three issues, marriage, blood and
:07:30. > :07:32.adoption. On each of those there are different perspectives. Let us start
:07:33. > :07:38.off with blood, this is the most recent. According to what the judge
:07:39. > :07:42.has said, look the blood ban here in Northern Ireland is irrational? So
:07:43. > :07:48.most countries in Europe have a blood ban. United States have blood
:07:49. > :07:53.bans. You have France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, they have lifetime
:07:54. > :07:58.blood bans, that is the common position across most of the world.
:07:59. > :08:01.What we would be doing is something unusual. That is not portrayed in
:08:02. > :08:08.the clips and trailers when you come to gay marriage. Let us stay with
:08:09. > :08:13.gay blood. It doesn't come across on the way it's trailed on the BBC. We
:08:14. > :08:19.have to go with the best available medical evidence. 2% increase risk.
:08:20. > :08:25.That is not true. It's not a 2% risk. What is it? A percentage of a
:08:26. > :08:29.million. A tiny percent of increased risk. We have to take our advice
:08:30. > :08:34.from the best available medical advice. Professionals who spend
:08:35. > :08:38.their time as independent people advising governments. Most of the
:08:39. > :08:41.countries in Europe have that advice they have taken a different view.
:08:42. > :08:45.Most of the countries in the world that dominant position does not come
:08:46. > :08:50.through in the way it's portrayed. We are with the majority. What you
:08:51. > :08:54.are saying to a young gay man or woman, doesn't need to be young,
:08:55. > :08:59.their blood is not clean enough? There blood is so dirty we won't let
:09:00. > :09:04.them donate to another human being that they want to help, is that what
:09:05. > :09:06.you are saying? Dirty blood? Look at the medical evidence, in all those
:09:07. > :09:11.other countries they have taken the view it's not safe. Lifetime ban.
:09:12. > :09:15.Lifetime ban. The UK maintains a one-year ban to allow sufficient
:09:16. > :09:18.screening. That ban is in place for one-year because of the dangers.
:09:19. > :09:23.It's accepted across the medical practice and all the research there
:09:24. > :09:27.is an increased level of risk. According to evidence quoted by the
:09:28. > :09:38.judge in case being looked at, here in Northern Ireland, the increased
:09:39. > :09:49.risk would be, 0.001 per million donations? What I'm saying to you is
:09:50. > :09:54.that most countries... It's not 2%. 0.001 per million donations? If it's
:09:55. > :09:59.clear-cut. That is a judge. I know the judges... I used to be a member
:10:00. > :10:03.of court. Evidence quoted by the judge as part of his ruling? Why
:10:04. > :10:08.have most other European countries maintained this ban?s these are
:10:09. > :10:12.countries that accept same-sex marriage - They don't have the
:10:13. > :10:15.evidence we have. There has been specific work done in the UK around
:10:16. > :10:19.this. The question needs to be asked as well, Peter, why do we accept
:10:20. > :10:25.donations from other parts of the UK? Northern Ireland has a much more
:10:26. > :10:29.reduced level of HIV rate here anywhere else in the UK we will
:10:30. > :10:34.happily accept that blood from other parts in the UK. Why do you think
:10:35. > :10:41.that is happening? The minister refused to make the decision. It was
:10:42. > :10:45.a power he wasn't able to make - Jeremy Hunt is the Health Secretary
:10:46. > :10:48.for the UK. It's disappointing they accepted this change in other parts
:10:49. > :10:56.of the UK and have not brought it through in Northern Ireland. Now, to
:10:57. > :11:02.the audience. I was part of a lobby group within the PUP who
:11:03. > :11:06.successfully lobbied our party to change it is policy on Saturday just
:11:07. > :11:10.gone by. Our policy now is to support David Cameron's equal
:11:11. > :11:15.marriage bill. I supported this, not despite my being a loyalist, because
:11:16. > :11:20.I'm a loyalist. There are two principles, four principles of
:11:21. > :11:23.loyalism, two of them support these kind of issues we are discussing
:11:24. > :11:28.tonight. The second principle of loyalism, by the way, total civil
:11:29. > :11:32.and religious liberties for all of Northern Ireland's citizens. The
:11:33. > :11:38.third one is equality across all of the UK's countries. There is a
:11:39. > :11:42.lifetime ban on gay men giving blood in the Irish Republic, do you not
:11:43. > :11:47.think the law should be harmonised with the Irish Republic, north and
:11:48. > :11:51.south? Yes I think the law should be harmonised I don't think there
:11:52. > :11:56.should be a ban on gay men giving blood. Aagree with you, I think it's
:11:57. > :12:01.insulting... You don't agree with me I haven't said anything is
:12:02. > :12:05.insulting? Sorry in relation to the points you made about dirty blood. I
:12:06. > :12:09.don't believe there should be discrimination against any section
:12:10. > :12:11.of our community. I heard Peter talking about other European
:12:12. > :12:15.countries. If European countries have prejudice laws let them change
:12:16. > :12:22.it. We should not follow prejudice laws. What irrational and what the
:12:23. > :12:27.judge found irrational is that Edwin Poots is grand standing on this
:12:28. > :12:31.issue. Winking and nodding saying, we won't have any gay blood in our
:12:32. > :12:35.system. Yet he is bringing it in from England. To be fair to the
:12:36. > :12:40.minister, it is not what he found irrational. He found Edwin Poots to
:12:41. > :12:44.be irrational because he was prepared to take blood from gay men
:12:45. > :12:49.across the water and not prepared to take blood from gay men here. There
:12:50. > :12:52.is blood coming in from England. Minister Poots is running away from
:12:53. > :12:58.this issue. He was called by the Chair of the Health Economy on a
:12:59. > :13:01.range of issues. He has refused to come to the Assembly or the
:13:02. > :13:07.committee. He needs... He can't escape this issue. It's an equality
:13:08. > :13:14.issue. He has statutory duties as a minister. He has to fulfill hes
:13:15. > :13:17.those statutory duties and stop facilitating discrimination against
:13:18. > :13:31.our LGBT community. It cannot go on. Just so that it's clear, the advice
:13:32. > :13:37.that Minister Poots was given by the experts around him, we have asked
:13:38. > :13:40.for that advice. We put in a Freedom of information request for that
:13:41. > :13:44.advice. Nothing has been forthcoming. We will ask for it
:13:45. > :13:49.again. What advice was Minister Poots actually given that made him
:13:50. > :13:56.arrive at that decision, to stop gay men in this country giving blood?
:13:57. > :14:03.Let's bring Lindsay Conway in, from the Presbyterian church. Is Northern
:14:04. > :14:08.Ireland a cold place for gay people? I don't think so. I know the big
:14:09. > :14:13.issues of marriage, blood donation and adoption is causing a rift
:14:14. > :14:18.between the two communities. I think our church is a more welcoming than
:14:19. > :14:24.ever before. In that sense of what we do in the whole line of pastoral
:14:25. > :14:30.care, of supporting families. Within the Presbyterian church, we tackled
:14:31. > :14:33.this back in 2006 with our pastoral guidelines. At least from our
:14:34. > :14:38.denomination's point of view, we wanted to look at how we, as a
:14:39. > :14:43.church, could relate better to the gay community. Moving forward, how
:14:44. > :14:51.you can relate better to gay people. Do you still think that gay sex is a
:14:52. > :14:58.sin? We stand by what the Bible says. Do you think gay sex is a
:14:59. > :15:04.sin? A sin is something which we define as God's word, and that
:15:05. > :15:12.anything that varies from God's word is a sin. Do you think being gay is
:15:13. > :15:18.natural or unnatural? We recognise that sexual orientation is... Sexual
:15:19. > :15:23.orientation is natural. We recognise within the Presbyterian Church that
:15:24. > :15:28.there is sexual orientation. So am I right in drawing from that that you
:15:29. > :15:35.feel that God has given a gay sexuality to gay people, he made
:15:36. > :15:40.them that way? God makes money in his own image. The issue for the
:15:41. > :15:46.churches and for Christian communities is how that relationship
:15:47. > :15:55.is played out. That is what we have difficulties with. Is there anybody
:15:56. > :15:58.in this audience that would support the Minister's decision on gay
:15:59. > :16:05.people not being able to give blood? Gay men not being able to
:16:06. > :16:14.give blood? Put your hand up. Is there anyone who would support gay
:16:15. > :16:24.people not giving blood (xxx) there are two out of about 250 people. It
:16:25. > :16:27.is interesting in itself. There has to be an acceptance that the recent
:16:28. > :16:32.narrative is we are weird in Northern Ireland for saying that. On
:16:33. > :16:37.all three issues we said that that is not the narrative you would get
:16:38. > :16:42.if you read our newspapers or listen to our media. We sit with the
:16:43. > :16:51.majority of countries. We sit with the majority of countries with a
:16:52. > :16:55.lifetime ban and an adoption. It's self-selecting, it's not scientific
:16:56. > :16:59.but it is skewed. NEETs the introductory section was skewed.
:17:00. > :17:03.That was a history of a particular set of campaigns that was designed
:17:04. > :17:08.to portray the church in a negative light. There has to be a realisation
:17:09. > :17:13.that while the BBC in general do we not hear that the majority of
:17:14. > :17:18.countries do not... We are hearing it now! You are not on the
:17:19. > :17:25.sideline, you are sitting right beside me. Cut this sideline
:17:26. > :17:30.nonsense, you are sitting there. You don't hear it on your show. You
:17:31. > :17:38.don't hear it on the show? It's nonsense. We don't get those facts
:17:39. > :17:45.coming from you, they come from the Independent. Can I have 100 quid for
:17:46. > :17:49.every time you've been on my show? On the radio show? I think I've made
:17:50. > :18:01.my point. Benjamin Cohen is the former Channel 4 journalist and
:18:02. > :18:08.editor of the Pink News. What's your reading on this situation we have in
:18:09. > :18:11.Northern Ireland? I would have paid again that these politicians who are
:18:12. > :18:15.standing firm against gay marriage, they have huge mandates when they go
:18:16. > :18:22.out to seek a vote. That is what devolution is all about. Totally.
:18:23. > :18:28.Just behind me is Parliament. I was sitting in a public gallery during
:18:29. > :18:31.the last vote for the Same Sex Marriage Bill. I was sitting there
:18:32. > :18:35.with my boyfriend, we were celebrating afterwards, as we
:18:36. > :18:38.realised that we were going to have the opportunity to get married. But
:18:39. > :18:44.it was a very bittersweet celebration because the marriage in
:18:45. > :18:48.the United Kingdom is being broken up by the fact my rights as a gay
:18:49. > :18:52.man one thing in England and Wales and will very soon be the same in
:18:53. > :18:56.Scotland, but they won't go over to another part of the UK. I won't have
:18:57. > :18:59.the same rights if I go over to Northern Ireland. That is something
:19:00. > :19:07.people are very sad about. A lot of our readers are not in Northern
:19:08. > :19:11.Ireland, but those in London look at Northern Ireland and can't
:19:12. > :19:15.understand how it is, in a sense, so backwards when it comes to these
:19:16. > :19:18.issues. The Northern Ireland Minister has spent ?80,000 of
:19:19. > :19:24.taxpayers' money fighting against gay rights in the courts, they have
:19:25. > :19:30.been two high-profile legal cases. Red people will take exception to
:19:31. > :19:34.you calling them backwards. They are entitled to their views. Of course
:19:35. > :19:38.they are, but the evolution of equality and brides is we are moving
:19:39. > :19:43.forward incredibly quickly over here in England and Wales. Scotland will
:19:44. > :19:47.move soon. I was in Downing Street a few months ago, and David Cameron
:19:48. > :19:51.said this country is the best place in Europe to be lesbian, gay,
:19:52. > :19:57.bisexual or transgender -- 's gender, but he only meant England
:19:58. > :20:00.and Wales, he didn't mean the UK. There's this huge inequality. The
:20:01. > :20:06.concept of marriage will not mean the same thing. What you have to
:20:07. > :20:12.respect, and I would back Stephen here, we are not a backward people.
:20:13. > :20:15.There is such a thing as a vote. Our culture and people respect the gay
:20:16. > :20:19.community. I've had gay people coming to my church. I can't marry
:20:20. > :20:22.them because it goes against my belief fundamentally in the
:20:23. > :20:27.teachings of the Bible. That does not make the homophobic. Nor does it
:20:28. > :20:32.mean the blood donation issue that we have here is anything to do with
:20:33. > :20:37.homophobia. You will allow gay people to give blood in England that
:20:38. > :20:43.can be used in Northern Ireland. That is a decision made over there.
:20:44. > :20:47.It is within Minister Poots remit to ban gay blood from England and he
:20:48. > :20:52.hasn't done so. So we does Barnett hear from a man living here but he
:20:53. > :20:57.doesn't ban it from England. That's a question he has to answer. I'm
:20:58. > :21:07.speaking on behalf of the church. There is a certain risk, what was
:21:08. > :21:11.it? I cannot speak, I'm speaking theologically, but if there is that
:21:12. > :21:18.risk we have to assess that and know what it is. If people want to give
:21:19. > :21:22.blood in Northern Ireland from the gay community, can we not just put a
:21:23. > :21:26.question on to people outside the hospitals, do you want to receive
:21:27. > :21:31.that, this has been given by gay people in the gay community? It's a
:21:32. > :21:36.choice, they can take the risk. So when someone is on life support you
:21:37. > :21:40.are going to ask them, do you want gay blood? When it comes to
:21:41. > :21:44.marriage, the equal marriage we have here isn't forcing any churches to
:21:45. > :21:47.perform Same Sex Marriage Bill stopped so if you didn't want to
:21:48. > :21:51.perform it you wouldn't have to do. You are incorrect because there is a
:21:52. > :21:58.legal case coming forward in England and Wales which is challenging the
:21:59. > :22:03.right of the church to be able to say no to gay marriage. That doesn't
:22:04. > :22:07.mean we are homophobic. I have had young people come into my church and
:22:08. > :22:11.clinic who have been suicidal because they have been bullied. I
:22:12. > :22:15.have counselled them and worked with them. I am not in any way against
:22:16. > :22:19.young people who are going through suffering. But gay people can't have
:22:20. > :22:26.the same rights as straight people is what you are saying. It's a
:22:27. > :22:30.democratic society. People are speaking here as if every politician
:22:31. > :22:34.in the North of Ireland do not support equal marriage, do not
:22:35. > :22:38.support gay rights in terms of adoption and do not support gay
:22:39. > :22:43.rights in terms of donation of blood. A significant number of
:22:44. > :22:52.politicians in the assembly are pro-gay rights, and voted in the
:22:53. > :22:56.assembly for those motions. On two occasions we brought motions. The
:22:57. > :23:02.sexual orientation strategy is down to the office of first and Deputy
:23:03. > :23:09.First Minister. Therefore, one, where is it? What is your leader
:23:10. > :23:12.Martin McGuinness doing about it? To finish the point on the politicians,
:23:13. > :23:16.because I will not want people to think that every single member of
:23:17. > :23:21.the Stormont assembly does not support gay rights. A significant
:23:22. > :23:24.number do. A significant enough number that the DUP used a petition
:23:25. > :23:32.of concern because they were worried it would pass. The question in
:23:33. > :23:38.relation... I'm glad you asked that question. Just this week in question
:23:39. > :23:44.time, I asked Peter Robinson, where is the sexual orientation... Have
:23:45. > :23:48.you picked up the phone to Martin? I have. I was sitting beside him when
:23:49. > :23:53.I asked him the question. I'll tell you where it is. Sinn Fein ready
:23:54. > :23:58.with the sexual orientation strategy. The DUP, to, a junior
:23:59. > :24:09.minister Bell said it would be out by December will stop it still
:24:10. > :24:12.isn't. Go ahead. It's all this prejudice against gays, it simply
:24:13. > :24:16.because of who they sleep with. It's really no one's business who you
:24:17. > :24:18.sleep with. What goes on in your bedroom is between you and who you
:24:19. > :24:35.are with. It is just pathetic. It is bigger than that... Why try
:24:36. > :24:40.and make it bigger than that? It is what it comes down to. Let me
:24:41. > :24:45.suggest why. Some people would argue that there is an entitlement for a
:24:46. > :24:51.society to protect the definition of marriage between a man and a woman.
:24:52. > :24:58.There's a place for society to protect the position of traditional
:24:59. > :25:03.values, family values. What is the appropriate best make-up for child
:25:04. > :25:08.to be brought up in? Is it with a mum and a dad? In a loving, stable
:25:09. > :25:11.home where the child is loved and cared for. I wouldn't care if that
:25:12. > :25:13.is by a gay couple or a straight couple. It doesn't matter, as long
:25:14. > :25:24.that child is loved. There's a difference between the
:25:25. > :25:31.language of rights and the language of personal preferences. We are
:25:32. > :25:35.sometimes confusing those. There is no right to give blood, there is no
:25:36. > :25:40.right to adopt a child. It's in the best interest of the child and on
:25:41. > :25:44.medical evidence. There's also not a right to marriage. Equality is in
:25:45. > :25:50.the eye of the beholder. Who gets to define equality? The first bill of
:25:51. > :25:56.rights there was was in the ten Commandments, thou shall not kill,
:25:57. > :26:00.the right to life. But in the context of responsibilities and
:26:01. > :26:04.relationships, churches get that, 40% of charities in Northern Ireland
:26:05. > :26:09.are run on a Christian ethos. That is important. Rights on its own is
:26:10. > :26:18.not... Loads of you are wanting to get up -- through. Go-ahead Rodney.
:26:19. > :26:23.I want to ask the panel a question. If they needed a blood transfusion
:26:24. > :26:27.and the only blood they could get would be from a gay person or if it
:26:28. > :26:32.was for one of their children and it was from a gay person, would any of
:26:33. > :26:36.them accept it to save their child's life or their own way? Would you
:26:37. > :26:42.accept it? Would I know? I would have to accept it, yes. Given that
:26:43. > :26:46.dilemma. Would you accept it, Peter? Absolutely. I made clear on this
:26:47. > :26:50.show, I'm not saying I have an objection on the blood ban, I'm here
:26:51. > :26:57.on the other couple of issues raising the issue that the evidence
:26:58. > :27:02.ba is not out there. Go-ahead. You made the point that Northern Ireland
:27:03. > :27:08.is in the majority in the norm in terms of other countries have the
:27:09. > :27:13.staple stance on giving blood. Given the scientific evidence and the fact
:27:14. > :27:16.there is such a low-risk and the National Aids Trust came out to say
:27:17. > :27:22.they hope Northern Ireland would follow the stance we have a shortage
:27:23. > :27:25.of blood in Northern Ireland why are we closing down another avenue where
:27:26. > :27:28.people can be given blood given the fact that you would accept it
:27:29. > :27:34.yourself if you had the option for a transfusion?
:27:35. > :27:39.APPLAUSE I have to say, by the way, I am
:27:40. > :27:42.minded to say it. I know you think I'm against you, he is not an
:27:43. > :27:47.elected representative. He is not the person mandating the policy. The
:27:48. > :27:52.Health Minister that is in charge of the policy won't come in, won't
:27:53. > :28:01.engage with you. His party won't engage with you. He is not the
:28:02. > :28:05.enemy. Everybody is entitled to their view. I am asking the question
:28:06. > :28:08.as to why the evidence isn't put out there about where other countries
:28:09. > :28:13.are. We need to have that. It's a sensible debate to have and look at
:28:14. > :28:16.the real evidence. I think at times is portrayed as unusual and
:28:17. > :28:21.backwards in an unhealthy way. It's not. It's useful in the context of
:28:22. > :28:26.this debate to say we are with the majority on this one. Not that it
:28:27. > :28:32.automatically make it is right but I don't think we should be portrayed
:28:33. > :28:35.as weird owes. What we need is safe blood regardless of where it comes
:28:36. > :28:40.from. There is risk, potentially risk in all blood, what we have to
:28:41. > :28:43.do is test and screen. What you don't do is discriminate against one
:28:44. > :28:52.section of the community. It's very simple. Would you be happy with the
:28:53. > :28:57.UK law that discriminates, the one-year UK law? You are not happy
:28:58. > :29:02.with the southern law? You asked me a question. Let her answer. What I
:29:03. > :29:08.would be happy with is screening and testing for all blood. You wouldn't
:29:09. > :29:12.actually accept the UK law? No. Let the experts deal with that. It's a
:29:13. > :29:17.discussion we can continue after the show or on Twitter or on the radio
:29:18. > :29:22.show tomorrow morning. Give our guests a round of applause. Thank
:29:23. > :29:24.you. APPLAUSE
:29:25. > :29:30.Here is what is still to come on the show tonight. Another, anything
:29:31. > :29:35.wrong with page three or is it an outdated relic? That will be the
:29:36. > :29:42.debate coming later. He is the man who stormed the charts with the
:29:43. > :29:47.Boomtown Rats. # You better find a way out
:29:48. > :29:52.# It's a rat trap # And you've been caught... #
:29:53. > :29:56.He tried to feed the worldle of course with Live Aid he is are
:29:57. > :30:01.respect around the world as a campaigner and activist. He suffered
:30:02. > :30:09.heartache with the collapse of his marriage to Prenter Paula Yates. His
:30:10. > :30:12.language is really strong. I did begin by asking his views on those
:30:13. > :30:19.still involved in violence here in Northern Ireland. My view would be
:30:20. > :30:27.the same as 99.9% of the people on thn island, give it a rest. Grow up.
:30:28. > :30:31.Know, going around with that history on your back. Every single country
:30:32. > :30:38.in the world will tell you it just isn't worth it. Just stop. The be
:30:39. > :30:50.human. I get this that the right thing to say is that trouble-makers
:30:51. > :30:53.won't win. It does bring you influence and clout, that is why
:30:54. > :30:59.they are doing it, still to this day? No, I completely agree with
:31:00. > :31:08.you? Terror is a useless weapon. If you are not terrorised, what? You
:31:09. > :31:12.know? So, yeah, but your point is. When the gunman gives up the gun he
:31:13. > :31:16.is suddenly a man of peace. What about the people who never had a
:31:17. > :31:26.gun? You know, just put the guns down. Engage in the process as an
:31:27. > :31:31.earlier generation of brave people did how else will it resolve itself?
:31:32. > :31:34.You tell me? You want to start a pub brawl. That is all it will be. It
:31:35. > :31:39.won't be a war. It will be a pub brawl. That is all it will be. It
:31:40. > :31:46.brawl. It's not intellectual. It's not human. It's not... It is deeply
:31:47. > :31:50.serious. What do you mean, it's not human? It's not human toll behave in
:31:51. > :31:54.that manner towards each other or within your own communities not to
:31:55. > :31:57.see the other person's point of view. Not to say, hold on I can live
:31:58. > :32:00.with that, I can't live with that, can we talk about that. People in
:32:01. > :32:04.Northern Ireland are fighting over territory, over emblems, symbols,
:32:05. > :32:08.they don't want to forget, maybe they shouldn't? Honest to God, isn't
:32:09. > :32:13.it it more important that your kids have a good education, that you have
:32:14. > :32:22.a decent life, that going forward in the future, it can't be about
:32:23. > :32:27.something as pro pros rouse as a flag. Do us a favour. It's an
:32:28. > :32:32.accident that you were born in that part of the world with its own
:32:33. > :32:38.peculiarities. You should be able to negotiate your way through them on a
:32:39. > :32:43.daily basis. It gets tiresome things get to a fever pitch, you are just
:32:44. > :32:47.waiting for it to explode. One way or another, long-term, what do you
:32:48. > :32:52.think the answer is? Honest to God, what do you think the answer is?
:32:53. > :32:58.More killing? More fighting? Or, put your flag up for a couple of days,
:32:59. > :33:03.let the other guy have his flag up for a couple of days. Come on. I
:33:04. > :33:08.feel very awkward talking about this because it's not my place to. Sure.
:33:09. > :33:13.There will be people who say, he doesn't know what he's on about. You
:33:14. > :33:17.are right, I don't live it. Give us your perspective from having seen
:33:18. > :33:23.conflict around the world. There is a debate going on in Northern
:33:24. > :33:30.Ireland as to how you devine a victim would you equate a bomber who
:33:31. > :33:37.blows himself up as a victim of the Troubles as someone blown up by a
:33:38. > :33:48.bomb standing in the street? Not in my world view. The I despise that
:33:49. > :33:58.stuff. I despise it. What stuff? Nationalism, terrorism, killing
:33:59. > :34:03.other people. Can you help me understand why? I don't think you
:34:04. > :34:08.need help in understanding why killing another person for some
:34:09. > :34:14.political end isn't loathsome. Cowardly, ultimately. The guys who
:34:15. > :34:20.are killing, and the guys who are bombing, you must remove them from
:34:21. > :34:27.the picture. It doesn't help in removing them that you vest so much
:34:28. > :34:31.emotional interest in your symbols because it leads to the guys with
:34:32. > :34:37.the bullets and the bombs. That is what it leads to. You are giving
:34:38. > :34:40.emotional support. They are slightly emotionally unbalanced, clearly if
:34:41. > :34:46.they think it's all right to kill a child. Kill another man, it doesn't
:34:47. > :34:50.have to be a child. We just think child is better because they are
:34:51. > :34:59.smaller, it's a better example, but kill another man. A 30-year-old man.
:35:00. > :35:02.Why would you possibly do that over something that isn't not worth the
:35:03. > :35:06.death of a human being. You are still going to be there. You will
:35:07. > :35:11.still be with your neighbour. You will still have to get along. You
:35:12. > :35:14.will have to do that when the smoke has cleared. Northern Ireland is
:35:15. > :35:20.always going to have its unionist community. It always will. Whatever
:35:21. > :35:34.happens to the policy, always will. You guys aren't going anywhere. You
:35:35. > :35:39.have nowhere to go. You know. The nationalists they have somewhere to
:35:40. > :35:43.go. The whole island becomes a whole country, or it doesn't it remains
:35:44. > :35:47.Northern Ireland and the republic. I don't care. Whatever you want to do,
:35:48. > :35:52.great, don't kill each other. Stop, please, hurting each other. Just
:35:53. > :35:58.stop. That is do-able. That was proved with the peace agreement.
:35:59. > :36:06.It's do-able. It requires great effort, but no effort was more amply
:36:07. > :36:10.rewarded than that. There is so much passion in you, did you ever
:36:11. > :36:16.consider being a politician? No, I'm not interested in power. Come on?
:36:17. > :36:21.Says a man that set up businesses and rules every one of them? Yes.
:36:22. > :36:26.That must have been a lust for power and success? Not at all. It was a
:36:27. > :36:34.fear of poverty. Fear of poverty, that must come from somewhere? From
:36:35. > :36:39.growing up-and-coming in and and big Old Vic torian house, dark, cold, my
:36:40. > :36:47.mum was dead. Sister got married. The other one was... She was the
:36:48. > :36:51.school swat, the nuns gave her tea, she stayed until late. I would come
:36:52. > :36:56.in and make the fire and see what food was around and cook myself a
:36:57. > :37:00.thing and listen to Radio Radio Le and read a book. There was no-one
:37:01. > :37:09.there to make me do homework. I didn't feel like that,
:37:10. > :37:14.retrospectively it was bad. I was lonely. A small little chap. I was
:37:15. > :37:19.lonely. Did you have no friends around you? I had school mates. They
:37:20. > :37:24.went home to mum and dad at teatime. We didn't have telly, didn't have a
:37:25. > :37:29.phone or that and the other. I was embarrassed by that being a stupid
:37:30. > :37:34.eight-year-old. Yeah. So when you got home there was was nothing. Ed
:37:35. > :37:38.your mum there. Your mum died when you were seven? Yes. The last time
:37:39. > :37:43.you saw her you were sitting on her knee? She was sitting in the bay
:37:44. > :37:49.window with her mate. She said bedtime, I think. I jumped up on her
:37:50. > :37:54.knee for a cuddle then off to bed. That is normal. That is what happens
:37:55. > :38:01.with most kids doesn't it. The next day she was gone? Gone. Then in the
:38:02. > :38:08.morning my dad came in and sat on the bed and he said, "I've got some
:38:09. > :38:14.-- something terrible to say to you" I got a bit scared. I remember this
:38:15. > :38:20.very well. Then he started crying. He said, "your mum's dead", I'd
:38:21. > :38:25.never seen my father cry. And, that freaked me out. That's the thing
:38:26. > :38:30.that freaked me out, like you know. I started crying because my father
:38:31. > :38:34.was crying. It means the universe has shattered. This man, this big
:38:35. > :38:41.man who does everything, he's crying. So, the surviving parent is
:38:42. > :38:44.always to blame. Who else do you kick against? To blame for your
:38:45. > :38:49.mother's death? To blame for everything. The whatever it is. The
:38:50. > :38:55.loneliness, the poverty. I guess in interviews like this it gives people
:38:56. > :38:58.like me an opportunity, nearly an excuse to delve into personal
:38:59. > :39:03.territory, if it's too personal, push me away? Yes. You mentioned
:39:04. > :39:07.loneliness in this interview on a number of occasions. How lonely must
:39:08. > :39:13.it have been when the person who loved you walked away from you? Are
:39:14. > :39:23.you talking about Paula? Yeah? Well I just went into meltdown. What do
:39:24. > :39:28.you mean by "meltdown"? Umm... To the point where I thought it was
:39:29. > :39:32.better not to exist. Where I thought better now to kill myself than to go
:39:33. > :39:40.on. I didn't want to wake up another day like this. That was one morning.
:39:41. > :39:49.And... Had you thought it through? Yeah. Being me I thought it through.
:39:50. > :39:54.I had made... On a notebook I put - reasons to continue. Reasons not to.
:39:55. > :40:04.Which took up a page. Reasons to continue, the children. But they
:40:05. > :40:16.weren't enough. Figure that. I call my mate, Pat, and I said, "I can't
:40:17. > :40:19.go on now." I thought heartbreak was a metaphor, a country and western
:40:20. > :40:29.type metaphor. I didn't understand it was a physical thing that does
:40:30. > :40:37.shrivel your heart. A physical pain. There was this great, great chasm
:40:38. > :40:46.here and a sort of abyss of loneliness. A sort of universe of
:40:47. > :40:57.pain. Oceans of loss. And, I was crying in my sleep. I'd wake up with
:40:58. > :41:02.tears streaming down my face. And Pat just said, "you stay exactly
:41:03. > :41:08.where you are", he came around and he just, you know, he gave me such a
:41:09. > :41:27.telling off, that isn't the approved It was probably what I needed. Was
:41:28. > :41:36.at the thought of betrayal? No, it wasn't. Was it the loss? Of Paula?
:41:37. > :41:40.People have written about this, we just talked about my mum. I don't
:41:41. > :41:44.have any sort of family growing up. Dad is a way, mum is dead, sister is
:41:45. > :41:49.married and the other one is in school, so you bring yourself up
:41:50. > :41:53.largely. Then you go off to a very unwelcoming world to try and make
:41:54. > :41:57.your own way through it. Soon you find yourself, for no apparent
:41:58. > :42:03.reason, in a rock 'n' roll band. It suddenly turns out you can write
:42:04. > :42:08.songs. Why? I don't know. Suddenly I can.
:42:09. > :42:29.# The whole day down. How did that happen? But before I
:42:30. > :42:33.get to be a rock 'n' roll star I'm in London, I'm happening, I get a
:42:34. > :42:38.record out. There's a party for us. And here's this unbelievably
:42:39. > :42:42.beautiful girl. She comes up to you and she's talking and she is
:42:43. > :42:47.seriously funny, bright, beautiful. You kind of go, hold on, I couldn't
:42:48. > :42:56.get shagged a week ago in Dublin and here is this gorgeous thing! I
:42:57. > :43:02.thought, I've just started this rock 'n' roll lock, I'm going to shagged
:43:03. > :43:07.the planet here, it's boys stuff! It didn't turn out like that, it turned
:43:08. > :43:15.out that she kept coming at me and I said, lock, OK, I can't do any
:43:16. > :43:19.worse. So having very little confidence and yet with this
:43:20. > :43:29.spectacular woman on your arm, it gave me all the confidence to allow
:43:30. > :43:38.this lumpen piece of lead to soar. So we created our own family out of
:43:39. > :43:42.nothing. We created our own family out of nothing and became very
:43:43. > :43:48.locked into our own world, and then she goes. You are coming to Belfast
:43:49. > :43:52.on Friday night. Why get the Boomtown Rats together again? It's a
:43:53. > :43:58.gamble. What if you get back together it doesn't feel the same,
:43:59. > :43:59.it's not the same? The memories. I didn't want to relive the memories,
:44:00. > :44:21.I want to live now. So when I sang those songs, the same
:44:22. > :44:27.anger was there. And when I did it last night, you know, I preannounce
:44:28. > :44:37.it, like, who would have thought? The rage is at myself. The
:44:38. > :44:42.disappointment that I genuinely thought is that our generation would
:44:43. > :44:53.change things, certainly in Ireland. That's what The Boomtown Rats set
:44:54. > :45:00.out to articulate. To come back nearly 40 years later and to
:45:01. > :45:04.understand, yes, all generations fail, of course, but our
:45:05. > :45:12.generation, more spectacularly than most, we let the government jack the
:45:13. > :45:19.country again. How? So when I'm on that stage I feel ashamed that my
:45:20. > :45:29.generation failed, angry at us and myself that we did. The songs are as
:45:30. > :45:34.now as any moment. I wouldn't have changed a word if I'd written them
:45:35. > :45:41.yesterday. So what can I do? Sing them!
:45:42. > :45:52.He comes to Belfast on Friday. You can hear an extended version of that
:45:53. > :45:56.interview. I sat with him for about an hour and a half, he'll be on the
:45:57. > :46:01.radio show tomorrow morning. A longer version of that interview and
:46:02. > :46:08.on the 5 Live show on Friday as well. Let's move on. Next up,
:46:09. > :46:12.sell newspapers for years, but is sell newspapers for years, but is
:46:13. > :46:16.that all coming to an end, because 20 universities across the water
:46:17. > :46:30.have banned the Sun and the Daily Star as part of the boobs aren't
:46:31. > :46:34.news campaign. You are a former glamour model, do you really think
:46:35. > :46:37.this is in vogue? Do you really think that in the year 2013, women
:46:38. > :46:44.should be selling themselves half naked in a newspaper? Of course.
:46:45. > :46:49.Page 3 is a great thing, it's an institution. It's been going on for
:46:50. > :46:56.47 years. I don't see any harm in it. It is light fun. What's the
:46:57. > :47:00.problem? There's a lot of problems with it. It's not just about the
:47:01. > :47:04.individual women at all, it's about the effect they have on society.
:47:05. > :47:10.It's about the Sun and other newspapers like that, Nuts, they are
:47:11. > :47:15.not in isolation, it's about how they affect society. They are
:47:16. > :47:19.influential. It's the message they are giving across about, what are
:47:20. > :47:27.women in society? You really think that Page 3 and Nuts magazine
:47:28. > :47:41.changes society in a negative way? Definitely. That's ridiculous. Have
:47:42. > :47:46.you been on the internet? Definitely. I'm not saying that Page
:47:47. > :47:49.3 and lad's mags are in isolation, because that was the only reason
:47:50. > :47:55.fine, Colm because you can sort that fine, Colm because you can sort that
:47:56. > :47:58.out. But it is one way that women are repressed in society. I don't
:47:59. > :48:10.want to be represented by women who are half naked. You don't. I do.
:48:11. > :48:14.It's about society as a whole. But you are taking choice away from the
:48:15. > :48:19.students on your campus who want to buy the Sun, the Daily Star and who
:48:20. > :48:27.want to look at half naked women. Not at all. They can't buy it on
:48:28. > :48:32.your campus. They don't have a choice. They've been removed. The
:48:33. > :48:36.reason for that is until they take out these images of women. We've
:48:37. > :48:43.removed them. The students union works, it is run by our members. Our
:48:44. > :48:47.members have voted because they feel that is not how they should be
:48:48. > :48:51.represented. They think it is misrepresenting them. It's a
:48:52. > :48:55.democracy, it was voted on. It is not censorship for any of those
:48:56. > :49:00.things. It was voted on democratically. We are doing what
:49:01. > :49:04.the students want us to do. It is soft porn in family newspapers.
:49:05. > :49:08.Making soft porn acceptable is just run-of-the-mill that's how you look
:49:09. > :49:12.at women, yeah, women sell newspapers and the women aren't
:49:13. > :49:17.worth any more than that. You cheapening yourself like that? 3
:49:18. > :49:21.million women by the Sun. Surely it is up to the consumer to decide.
:49:22. > :49:24.Women don't have to buy that newspaper. The women that I know
:49:25. > :49:29.have got better things to worry about than Page 3 and Nuts
:49:30. > :49:37.magazine. They don't care. If they don't like it they don't buy it. Go
:49:38. > :49:53.ahead, sir. If they've got it, flaunt it. They choose to do it. If
:49:54. > :49:59.they've got it flaunt it, respect for women goes up or down? Down. But
:50:00. > :50:04.that's in your eyes. Not all of us can become doctors and lawyers, not
:50:05. > :50:06.all of us can get to university. Everyone is different and people
:50:07. > :50:10.have different situations. I was not able to go to college or
:50:11. > :50:17.university. I applaud you for getting to that, I'm sure you are
:50:18. > :50:21.going to go on to do great things. What's that got to do with it? I
:50:22. > :50:25.chose to do glamour modelling because I was a single parent. It
:50:26. > :50:32.gives people a great wage. Glamour modelling is a euphemism. Here's
:50:33. > :50:37.what you chose to do. You chose to get your breasts out and sell them.
:50:38. > :50:42.To call it glamour modelling, that's what you chose to do. Are you not
:50:43. > :50:48.more than that? At the time, I made the decision. It took a long while
:50:49. > :50:53.to make the decision but I decided, I was a teenage mother, my choices
:50:54. > :50:57.were working in a supermarket on the minimum wage, putting my kids into
:50:58. > :51:02.nursery full time, never seeing her really, or going on benefits. I
:51:03. > :51:06.wanted something different, glamour modelling gave me really good money,
:51:07. > :51:11.I didn't have to work so much, I could bring up my daughter. It's not
:51:12. > :51:15.just about Page 3. Supermarket chains are also being put under
:51:16. > :51:22.pressure to censor the lad's mags on the shelves. Andy Jones is with us
:51:23. > :51:26.this evening. What do you make of this, that supermarkets are being
:51:27. > :51:33.put under pressure, get rid of these lad's mags because they exploit
:51:34. > :51:36.women? These magazines operate within the laws that are
:51:37. > :51:41.democratically elected in the UK. There's nothing in these magazines
:51:42. > :51:44.that is illegal. These magazines are often distributed in modesty bags,
:51:45. > :51:48.so you can't see them unless you wish to anyway. They are often on
:51:49. > :51:56.the third or fourth shelf in a newsagents. There's no restrictions
:51:57. > :52:01.on videos of Rhianna gyrating or Miley Cyrus gyrating on MTV. There
:52:02. > :52:04.are very limited restrictions on online pornography, where you can
:52:05. > :52:12.see, surround sound, moving images of women creating degrading acts.
:52:13. > :52:16.It's very interesting that we've got someone who is talking it as almost
:52:17. > :52:19.a last resort, having to become a glamour model because she didn't
:52:20. > :52:23.feel she had better options, and someone talking about women
:52:24. > :52:28.degrading themselves on television. It's part of the huge package, all
:52:29. > :52:32.of which is wrong. The Sun is the highest grossing newspaper in the
:52:33. > :52:38.UK, and children can see that. That's not in a modesty bags. These
:52:39. > :52:42.images aren't on the sides of buses bus shelters. These are images you
:52:43. > :52:50.have two opt-in to see. To put it into context, 5 million people a day
:52:51. > :52:55.by the Sun, 46% of those are women. To ban Page 3 into figures, around
:52:56. > :53:04.100,000 people have signed the campaign. 50% of female MPs have
:53:05. > :53:13.signed up to that. 20 universities have as well. To put those numbers
:53:14. > :53:20.into context, 320,000 people have signed up to an anti-badger culling
:53:21. > :53:23.campaign. Isn't it really sad we don't prioritise women's rights and
:53:24. > :53:28.see women as equals? It's just women's bodies, it's not that one
:53:29. > :53:35.week it is a guy and one week it is a woman. It's just women getting
:53:36. > :53:38.their tapes out. The Sun criticises women for flashing themselves and
:53:39. > :53:47.exposing themselves, it talks about them in really degrading ways, but
:53:48. > :53:55.it's fine for them to get their tits out in a newspaper. It's not for
:53:56. > :53:59.individual groups to say what is empowering for women. You can find
:54:00. > :54:03.empowerment in different ways. Just because somebody finds it offensive
:54:04. > :54:06.that somebody finds it empowering to show their naked body, they may find
:54:07. > :54:11.that much more empowering than getting a degree or having a more
:54:12. > :54:17.mainstream job. Why do you think there are no half naked men in
:54:18. > :54:22.newspapers? Thereof. You are missing the point. If you walk into WH Smith
:54:23. > :54:26.tomorrow or any other leading newspaper seller, you will see half
:54:27. > :54:37.naked men on the front cover various magazines. They all seem to be
:54:38. > :54:47.catering to mend though, don't they? Amy, what do you think? I completely
:54:48. > :54:50.agree with Chantel. I find it really degrading. I can't buy those
:54:51. > :55:00.newspapers because of the Page 3 girl. I skipped that page. The guy
:55:01. > :55:04.at the back. Everybody has got an opinion, but I think it's up to the
:55:05. > :55:11.woman. If she wants to go and make a bit of money then it's up to her.
:55:12. > :55:23.Would you apply the same thesis to prostitution? Probably, yes. It's
:55:24. > :55:30.her body. People don't have to read it. This guy here. I think it's a
:55:31. > :55:38.step backward. I wonder how far this is going to go. What about swimwear,
:55:39. > :55:47.is that going to be done away with? There are a lot of models doing nude
:55:48. > :55:53.poses as well. I don't really think it's that big an issue and I don't
:55:54. > :55:56.think it ruins society at all. It's not a matter of modesty, it's about
:55:57. > :56:03.being there for some titillation, literally! What about when people go
:56:04. > :56:11.on foreign holidays, it's a natural way to be. What's a natural way to
:56:12. > :56:27.be? They go topless or whatever. Do you? There's nobody looking at me,
:56:28. > :56:37.like yourself. I can say that I have the biggest breast in this studio,
:56:38. > :56:52.let me tell you! In Holland, where they have a more open society...
:56:53. > :56:56.Another glamour model now. You mentioned depression, campaigns such
:56:57. > :57:02.as this are regression the original feminist moving. They are stripping
:57:03. > :57:09.women of the right to express their sexuality freely and openly. It's
:57:10. > :57:15.nonsensical. Go-ahead. You're talking about it as an empowering
:57:16. > :57:22.thing. We are not asking men to get their pecs out or buns out for the
:57:23. > :57:29.girls? What is wrong with men liking to see that Women are being reduced
:57:30. > :57:40.to tits and cars. You can look online to women 360 on a website.
:57:41. > :57:43.Going against that sun healthy. It They are not interested in your
:57:44. > :57:49.mind. They are interested in parties of your body. Of course not. In the
:57:50. > :57:55.context of imagery you can't have a conversation... There is just a
:57:56. > :57:59.reason why I've come up here. You have your hand up and wanted to give
:58:00. > :58:03.your opinion. What is it? I'm with the girls on this. At the end of the
:58:04. > :58:10.day the Sun is what it is. You are going to buy the Sun because you
:58:11. > :58:13.want a sneaky peak on the bus. You have a wee schoolgirl beside you. We
:58:14. > :58:19.know ladies and gentlemen why I really came up here, don't we? Stand
:58:20. > :58:22.up. This guy before the show, somebody actually asked is there
:58:23. > :58:29.anybody in this studio who cannot stand the radio show and the TV
:58:30. > :58:36.show. What did you say? Me. I want you to talk about this guy all night
:58:37. > :58:42.long on Twitter. Do you hear me. All night long. Say good night to
:58:43. > :58:48.everybody. Night guys. Thank you for your company. Night, night
:58:49. > :58:51.everybody. APPLAUSE