:00:00. > :00:09.Welcome along! We've got a massive show for you tonight. Here's what's
:00:10. > :00:12.coming up: Is it time to tell Loyalists enough is enough?
:00:13. > :00:16.The protests keep on coming, costing million after million. How long can
:00:17. > :00:22.this go on? Can you be sexy at 60? A 62-year old
:00:23. > :00:24.is starring in a lingerie advert. Is it ever too late to let it all hang
:00:25. > :00:32.out? The band heading for superstardom.
:00:33. > :00:35.Kodaline are playing live in the studio tonight. CHEERING AND
:00:36. > :01:11.APPLAUSE. Good to see you.
:01:12. > :01:14.And if all that isn't enough, broadcasting legend Gloria Hunniford
:01:15. > :01:17.will join us as well. But first, loyalism and the angry protests that
:01:18. > :01:21.just won't go away. And it's not just about flags or parades. In the
:01:22. > :01:24.past week, loyalists have been objecting to a Sinn Fein councillor
:01:25. > :01:27.teaching in a Belfast school and attacking police at a reconciliation
:01:28. > :01:56.event attended by an ex-IRA man. Have a look at this.
:01:57. > :02:01.There are some people who are ready to run the gauntlet for
:02:02. > :02:14.reconciliation and there are some people who are ready to oppose it.
:02:15. > :02:15.To oppose it. As far as the DUP are concerned,
:02:16. > :02:36.they have went missing. Let's kick off with William Humphrey
:02:37. > :02:46.from the DUP. Where this is anger coming from? Explain it to us. The
:02:47. > :02:54.altar Unionist -- believe their rights are being undermined by a
:02:55. > :02:59.concerted campaign led by Sinn Fein will they said they would be as
:03:00. > :03:13.making strangers -- contentious parades as they saw fit. The
:03:14. > :03:16.cultural what they are launching is evident. They are not prepared to
:03:17. > :03:22.reciprocate and show tolerance, respect and look at a shared future
:03:23. > :03:26.of Northern Ireland. That is my culture my traditions. But your
:03:27. > :03:36.British identity is not being eroded. The union is safe, Stephen.
:03:37. > :03:40.It is safer than it has been foul on time. It is not about politics. Sinn
:03:41. > :03:44.Fein and nationalism has been defeated in terms of the
:03:45. > :03:49.constitutional position of Northern Ireland. It is a cultural war on the
:03:50. > :03:57.Orange tradition. That is why they have attacked Orange parades and
:03:58. > :04:03.demonised the traditions. So a cultural war? There is no cultural
:04:04. > :04:11.war. You have to look at the evidence. William and others have
:04:12. > :04:18.made these hefty speechs. If you take City Hall is the example and it
:04:19. > :04:23.is often used as such, Belfast is now 50%... 90% is to do with proper
:04:24. > :04:31.edition is and regalia. To argue that has been on the mend... With
:04:32. > :04:33.respect to the media, the argument continually centres abound
:04:34. > :04:40.Britishness. What about Irishness? What about those in Belfast to Irish
:04:41. > :04:48.and have an allegiance to either on -- to Ireland? What about equality?
:04:49. > :04:56.Are you saying we have got to be 50-50? Why are you saying that? I am
:04:57. > :05:06.not an iconoclast and I do not want to pull down statues of flags. In
:05:07. > :05:10.terms of the regalia, I think if you have... We're going into an
:05:11. > :05:15.intercultural society, so there are other cultures as well. You have to
:05:16. > :05:17.have respect in all those cultures. Especially in City Hall, which
:05:18. > :05:22.represents all the people of the city. Here is one of the questions
:05:23. > :05:27.which will be asked, no doubt, repeatedly this year. Asked nearly
:05:28. > :05:31.every day last year. How much real anger is the actually in Northern
:05:32. > :05:35.Ireland towards this amongst the majority of people? Do the majority
:05:36. > :05:40.of people in Northern Ireland care a lot more about health, education? I
:05:41. > :05:46.can see people already in this audience holding their heads. --
:05:47. > :05:49.nodding their heads. Is this small group of loyalists causing a big
:05:50. > :05:57.problem? Why don't you tell them to give over? It is a largest cultural
:05:58. > :06:00.event in this kingdom. It is somewhere in the region of half a
:06:01. > :06:05.million people who take part to watch the 12th of July. It is hugely
:06:06. > :06:11.significant to the all-star and British people. The truth of the
:06:12. > :06:12.matter is, you know, it is about the demonisation of the Orange
:06:13. > :06:17.institution and has been for some time. Social and economic issues are
:06:18. > :06:20.absolutely vital, and that is why we need a resolution to this problem.
:06:21. > :06:28.We need a solution and a parade that would take seven minutes... When the
:06:29. > :06:32.Orange institution that followed its initiative for upgrade it would take
:06:33. > :06:39.seven minutes to pass... People like George Chittick sea what he says and
:06:40. > :06:49.that demonises the Orange Order. It would pass the shops on the road...
:06:50. > :06:57.You're talking about the Telford Alai and it is February! -- the 12th
:06:58. > :07:04.of July. When the two DL initiative was put forward, residents did not
:07:05. > :07:11.give his attention a glance or fought. They dismissed it out of
:07:12. > :07:14.hand. Before the 12th of July last year there was face-to-face talks
:07:15. > :07:21.with us time ever. It was agreed that there would be a public
:07:22. > :07:24.statement made before it. People would say that whatever the
:07:25. > :07:28.determination is neither side we would return to the stocks,
:07:29. > :07:31.face-to-face, straight after. The Orange Order has refused to stand by
:07:32. > :07:39.the statements they made publicly before this. You said they could
:07:40. > :07:49.stand in as long as they like, the Orangemen and the bands of
:07:50. > :07:58.Twaddell. He said that at Ardoyne. I be the determinations. Many
:07:59. > :08:02.determinations have gone against the people of Ardoyne and they have had
:08:03. > :08:09.to deal with it. This is where we were in this contributor go, this is
:08:10. > :08:12.where we still are. Both of you people are page to deliver, aren't
:08:13. > :08:18.you? Your page to deliver for this country and find a solution. I will
:08:19. > :08:23.let you come back and a second or two. I did not know if it is
:08:24. > :08:28.insulting or not when you hear me saying, is it time for the loyalists
:08:29. > :08:31.to move on? I do not mean be silent about everything, I mean this
:08:32. > :08:36.deprivation in much in the loyalist community as there's anywhere else.
:08:37. > :08:40.There are absolutely fantastic kids there with ambition that should have
:08:41. > :08:45.a bright future and maybe we could push them towards health,
:08:46. > :08:49.education, jobs, making a better life for themselves, it would be
:08:50. > :08:57.better spent than arguing at Twaddell. Everybody would like to be
:08:58. > :09:01.father on than what we are. But the reality is there is a wider context
:09:02. > :09:10.here that no-one has touched on. The outgoing Chief Constable had to go
:09:11. > :09:15.to the UK Treasury and ask for an additional ?200 million to police
:09:16. > :09:21.the threat in Northern Ireland. Now, that threat that sits and remain
:09:22. > :09:30.severe at probably the highest level it has been... A dissident threat?
:09:31. > :09:33.Yes. The point is the actual threat to the country, the people of
:09:34. > :09:38.Northern Ireland, does not lie with loyalism. It is not lie with
:09:39. > :09:42.loyalist paramilitaries. It lies with the threat that resists --
:09:43. > :09:50.exists with Republicans. APPLAUSE
:09:51. > :09:55.I would like to know what the relevance is to the discussion
:09:56. > :09:58.advent Twaddell and loyalism. I am the person who stands out and argues
:09:59. > :10:03.against dissident republicans and argues against what they do. I am at
:10:04. > :10:07.the front and along with other people who have had death threats.
:10:08. > :10:11.It is not that they disagree with you that there is a threat and it
:10:12. > :10:15.has been dealt with, but what has that got to do with the discussion
:10:16. > :10:20.today? What does that have to do with the people of Ardoyne? And the
:10:21. > :10:25.Twaddell. It should have been 150 yards away. It was put on a
:10:26. > :10:39.interface... And it is an interface... To be clear, this is an
:10:40. > :10:44.interface that was there. Why wasn't the protest there? They wouldn't
:10:45. > :10:49.have had to spend 40,000 a night to train police it. We would have been
:10:50. > :10:56.able to move on. Sinn Fein have never protested ever, anywhere that
:10:57. > :10:58.has caused tension? You guys go home, don't you?
:10:59. > :11:11.APPLAUSE . The interrupted me. I have been on
:11:12. > :11:17.protests myself. You can have an opinion and all I can give you is an
:11:18. > :11:23.opinion. If the dispute was Edwardsville, why would they put the
:11:24. > :11:31.protest at an interface unless they wanted to raise tension? Or bring
:11:32. > :11:35.most attention to the cause. And Sinn Fein don't know how to bring
:11:36. > :11:45.attention to their cause? Why would you put it on a interface? Brian,
:11:46. > :11:55.what would use it to protesters at Twaddell? It is time we said we will
:11:56. > :12:02.not put up with this. We have had violence and anger and it is eroding
:12:03. > :12:05.the good name of Northern Ireland. It is about extermination. Big bad
:12:06. > :12:11.words like that from the Protestant people. That is a misuse of language
:12:12. > :12:15.and history and Europe retain -- you are betraying the people. The story
:12:16. > :12:25.of Northern Ireland I know and live in is a positive one, in the world.
:12:26. > :12:30.I am a unionist, but you are complete veins from what is
:12:31. > :12:34.happening in Northern Ireland. It is time we said no more.
:12:35. > :12:45.APPLAUSE . Shame on Unionist leadership, he
:12:46. > :12:56.said. Let's be clear, we have had talks... Failed stock. -- talk. It
:12:57. > :13:04.failed because people were prepared to move on. There is a settled well
:13:05. > :13:07.in this nation from the Belfast agreement that the will of the
:13:08. > :13:11.people, a greater number of people, want to remain. The vast majority
:13:12. > :13:16.do. The flag is the Union flag. There is no acceptance and it should
:13:17. > :13:25.be no negotiation about the flag of the nation. The truth is this... You
:13:26. > :13:27.have got to compromise. It is extraordinary you say that the
:13:28. > :13:32.problem with the talks is no-one was willing to move when it was the
:13:33. > :13:39.unionists who did not move. We agreed. The fact that the matter is,
:13:40. > :13:44.when we go back to do with the issue, Gerry Kelly can talk about,
:13:45. > :13:49.and he will not tell people, but this protest has been peaceful. I
:13:50. > :13:57.was told this protest was costing ?70,000 a day. Now it is ?40,000. My
:13:58. > :14:04.colleague on the policing board was told it was ?20,000. The figures are
:14:05. > :14:10.all over the place. This has been a peaceful protest. Do
:14:11. > :14:15.you support... Yes. Can I establish. Yes. At what cost? We need a
:14:16. > :14:18.resolution. You say we are talking about it here. Into February and
:14:19. > :14:22.talking about it. The issue has been there since jewel. There has been
:14:23. > :14:28.complete and inflexibility around the issue of the proposals that the
:14:29. > :14:32.Orange Order put forward which would unlocked the situation - Why can't
:14:33. > :14:35.the Orange Order go back to the table? They would have allowed the
:14:36. > :14:39.process to move forward. You know what, if Gerry Kelly really believes
:14:40. > :14:44.all he saying here, why did Sinn Fein get involved in setting up not
:14:45. > :14:53.one but two new resident groups around the issue of parading. They
:14:54. > :14:57.didn't. Can I come in? To pick up on Brian's point. I am at not at
:14:58. > :15:01.variance with anything you said there. I absolutely agree with the
:15:02. > :15:06.positive Northern Ireland that you aspire to and that I know we can
:15:07. > :15:11.achieve together. The problem is, that we have a situation where by
:15:12. > :15:18.there is conflict that remains unresolved. The problem has been
:15:19. > :15:24.that we've been teetering around the edges and haven't dealt with the
:15:25. > :15:29.root causes of the problem. The fundamental issue about leadership.
:15:30. > :15:32.Not a failure in unionist leadership it's failure of the republican
:15:33. > :15:38.movement not being able to bring people along a peaceful past. That
:15:39. > :15:43.is the real failure in leadership. Saying the protests... This is new.
:15:44. > :15:46.Are you saying that the protest is against dissident republicans, is
:15:47. > :15:50.that what the protest is for. That is what you said there. I said the
:15:51. > :15:55.relevance to the protest and the ongoing situation at Twaddell is
:15:56. > :16:00.central to the dissident republican - It's not around the flag. It's not
:16:01. > :16:04.around the orange marches, now it's against dissidents. Let me expand.
:16:05. > :16:09.It's central to it and relevant to. It here is the reason why. Don't
:16:10. > :16:14.interrupt me. The first time I heard it. In 2006...
:16:15. > :16:19.APPLAUSE In 2006 and 2007 we had parades
:16:20. > :16:23.up-and-down the Crumlin Road with two maximum three police officers.
:16:24. > :16:29.We have had parading in that area for 140 years. OK. What changed? It
:16:30. > :16:34.wasn't the behaviour of the loyal orders. Sinn Fein signed up to the
:16:35. > :16:42.Policing Board and they haemorrhaged massive support. A final point. Who
:16:43. > :16:51.haemorrhage support? Sinn Fein and... Do you watch elections. It
:16:52. > :16:58.that is one measure. You... It's a scientific matter. Have you
:16:59. > :17:02.checked... Have in North Belfast... Bomb attacks being launched out of
:17:03. > :17:06.Ardoyne by republicans is another way to measure this. That is the
:17:07. > :17:11.failure. Coming out with the politics... Hold on. OK. Isn't going
:17:12. > :17:14.to cut the mustard. You need to engage the people and get them to
:17:15. > :17:19.stop and get with it. It's a disgrace. You have to deal with
:17:20. > :17:27.facts. You are making this great theory. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on,
:17:28. > :17:29.hold on. I tell you what. Sinn Fein is haemorrhaging support in North
:17:30. > :17:36.Belfast. Look at the results in the elections. By the way... You live in
:17:37. > :17:39.make-believe land. APPLAUSE.
:17:40. > :17:48.I tell you this much. We get more votes than you do. That's for sure.
:17:49. > :17:53.No. No. Let's have a look. How do you know, there have been no
:17:54. > :17:56.elections? Let us have a look at the likes of last night, for example.
:17:57. > :18:02.Because there was a film last night, I'm sure some of you know on Sky
:18:03. > :18:08.Television, Extreme World. Ross Kemp was presenting it. We went up
:18:09. > :18:12.actually last night to Twaddell to have a look at the situation there.
:18:13. > :18:16.There were a lot more, there was something like 12, 13, 14 police
:18:17. > :18:20.land Rovers up there last night. There is quite a lot of police. You
:18:21. > :18:25.can see it here. This is not just a couple of land Rovers. You get a
:18:26. > :18:30.sense of the cost here. Of course, this all feeds into a perception of
:18:31. > :18:36.what Northern Ireland is like to outsiders. All right. Ross Kemp last
:18:37. > :18:39.night presented a programme on Sky Television here are some of the
:18:40. > :18:52.scenes that the rest of the UK were watching. They are warning them.
:18:53. > :19:05.They will un with the water cannon. Here you go. There we go.
:19:06. > :19:12.Have you got any notion how damaging that footage is to all of us in this
:19:13. > :19:15.country? When people from outside see it, what impression do you think
:19:16. > :19:20.they have of our country, our country, everybody in this studio?
:19:21. > :19:23.It's easy Stephen to blame the loyalist people and the Protestant
:19:24. > :19:27.people as everybody does. Let us look at the core issue where the
:19:28. > :19:32.problems stem from. It's Sinn Fein. The republican movement who have not
:19:33. > :19:37.accepted the settlement. William pointed out Sinn Fein accepted the
:19:38. > :19:43.Belfast Agreement as a settlement You are mixed with the DUP? I'm not.
:19:44. > :19:46.Don't put words in my mouth. Sinn Fein accepted the Belfast Agreement
:19:47. > :19:51.as a settlement. They have treated it as a process, step-by-step,
:19:52. > :19:55.pocketing more concessions each way as they go. Using their mandate. Are
:19:56. > :19:59.we going to talk about votes again. You will come off with it again.
:20:00. > :20:03.Sinn Fein may have a mandate. The ordinary people are able to have an
:20:04. > :20:07.opinion on it. That is why they want to agree to the Haas talks they
:20:08. > :20:12.pocket what concessions they get and keep moving forward. Until Sinn Fein
:20:13. > :20:15.and until the IRA accept that this country is a settlement we will not
:20:16. > :20:22.have a normal political process where we can deal with issues...
:20:23. > :20:26.Give up being what, republicans? Gerry and his colleagues tell the
:20:27. > :20:29.people when they were my age they felt depressed and felt the country,
:20:30. > :20:33.things weren't going for them they took up the bomb and bullet. He
:20:34. > :20:37.stands by what he done. Young people like me look at Stormont, what
:20:38. > :20:41.message does it give, it gives the message that violence pays. Then
:20:42. > :20:44.Sinn Fein... APPLAUSE
:20:45. > :20:48.Yes, it does, Stephen. The message gives us, is that votes pay. The
:20:49. > :20:52.things that are elusive to you. They pay. They give these people, these
:20:53. > :20:57.people... Sorry these people a massive mandate. Stephen. They give
:20:58. > :21:01.them power in Stormont? You are missing the point I'm trying to
:21:02. > :21:05.make. When Gerry and Sinn Fein stand up and glorify the campaign of
:21:06. > :21:08.murder, bombing and butchery in this country, he does not say sorry for
:21:09. > :21:11.that. They are saying what they done was correct. What kind of message
:21:12. > :21:15.are they sending out to my generation? What message are you
:21:16. > :21:20.sending tout your generation? Hold on, Stephen. What are you sending
:21:21. > :21:25.out? APPLAUSE
:21:26. > :21:29.In what sense? The real problems people have, jobs, health, the stuff
:21:30. > :21:33.we have talked about, welfare cuts, the real stuff that people are
:21:34. > :21:36.feeling. Are you obsessing with flags instead of that? We are not
:21:37. > :21:39.obsessing, these issues are important to people within the
:21:40. > :21:43.Protestant, unionist and loyalist community. We are entitled to
:21:44. > :21:47.express our dissent and opposition to the political process and how
:21:48. > :21:52.it's going. Gerry is talking... Have you not made your point. Is it not
:21:53. > :21:56.time to go away. Have you not made your point? Is it time for Sinn Fein
:21:57. > :22:00.to go away. Leave it to the voters. Why don't they go away. You not
:22:01. > :22:04.leave it to the electorate? There will be elections in May. That will
:22:05. > :22:09.tell the tale. What happens until then? Why don't Sinn Fein step back?
:22:10. > :22:13.Why don't they let the men home. Will you -- what do you think people
:22:14. > :22:16.in the UK think when they see that footage on Ross Kemp's programme?
:22:17. > :22:24.Nobody wants to see that. The whole point is, the issues steams from
:22:25. > :22:29.Sinn Fein. And their cultural war. I have sympathy with Jamie. His
:22:30. > :22:34.community has been neglected, abandoned even by unionism and the
:22:35. > :22:38.unionist leaders. At the same time, there are awkward facts that we have
:22:39. > :22:44.to face. One of them is, for example, that the Orange Order is an
:22:45. > :22:50.anti-Catholic organisation. In its orgins, in it is history, it's an
:22:51. > :22:53.anti-Catholic organisation. Every year...
:22:54. > :23:01.APPLAUSE Every year here we have up to 4,000
:23:02. > :23:07.marches. 4,000 marches reminding your neighbour that you're lot and
:23:08. > :23:14.you're Prince defeated their lot and their King over 300 years ago. How
:23:15. > :23:23.is that adding to the unity or the reconciliation of this society? OK,
:23:24. > :23:29.William Humphrey? Now, first of all, Mr Collins, I haven't neglected or
:23:30. > :23:33.abandoned my community. I live, work and socialise, worship in the
:23:34. > :23:37.community in which I was born and rared and raised. My office is less
:23:38. > :23:42.than a minute from my house. I work day and daily for my constituents in
:23:43. > :23:45.North Belfast and Greater Shankill. I don't need you. Your comments
:23:46. > :23:51.about the orange institution, I have read many of your articles and it's
:23:52. > :23:55.fair to say you're not bias sir, in anyway when it comes to the
:23:56. > :24:00.orange... I have a point of view. You have. With respect it's a
:24:01. > :24:03.jaundice point of view. I disagree. The Orange Order are not
:24:04. > :24:07.anti-Catholic. It's an organisation... It certainly is. An
:24:08. > :24:11.organisation about the promotion of the reformed faith. An extension of
:24:12. > :24:15.the reformed faith. Absolute nonsense. That is your view. Deal
:24:16. > :24:22.with facts. OK. William Humphrey, tell me this. What would you say to
:24:23. > :24:26.the likes of Jamie Bryson tonight and others. You're, working with
:24:27. > :24:31.Sinn Fein. Your' co-operating with Sinn Fein in Stormont. What would
:24:32. > :24:34.you say to the likes of Jamie Bryson about their mandate. Would you tell
:24:35. > :24:40.them to respect it, work with them, accept their mandate, learn to work
:24:41. > :24:43.with them? You see, I actually believe I'm a democrat. Therefore, I
:24:44. > :24:47.have to take the results of electionses when votes are cast.
:24:48. > :24:52.What I would say to the unionist people in this city, there are
:24:53. > :24:57.elections coming up in May. The flag is an issue. There are other issues
:24:58. > :25:04.as well that people feel... I'm coming to it. Register and maximise
:25:05. > :25:06.the unionist vote. What would you say to the likes of these people,
:25:07. > :25:11.who are rejecting the mandate that Sinn Fein have? Sinn Fein have a
:25:12. > :25:14.mandate in a mandatory coalition. I would prefer they didn't have that
:25:15. > :25:19.mandate. That's what the Catholic people do and vote for them in that
:25:20. > :25:23.number. I would prefer that wasn't the case. He has to be prepared and
:25:24. > :25:27.live and work with people in Sinn Fein? It's not that difficult a
:25:28. > :25:30.question? I'm answering it. Are you? It's a mandatory coalition. It's not
:25:31. > :25:34.a voluntarily coalition. Therefore, the truth of the matter is, I would
:25:35. > :25:38.say to people, maximise the unionist vote. Get out and vote down-the-line
:25:39. > :25:43.for the unionist parties and in terms of people who would vote for
:25:44. > :25:46.Sinn Fein, at the end of the day, if Sinn Fein are delivering for their
:25:47. > :25:52.communities, you know, I'd love to see where it is. Gerry Kelly? Sinn
:25:53. > :25:57.Fein is delivering for their communities. You must think that the
:25:58. > :26:03.electorate are stupid. Do they vote for you on the basis that you do or
:26:04. > :26:08.not do deliver. They vote for me on if I do or do not deliver. You can't
:26:09. > :26:13.be as arrogant as that as to say, you know, I can't see what they're
:26:14. > :26:19.doing. You don't be in my area for a start. We both represent the same
:26:20. > :26:24.constituency, with respect. And with respect most of the people, which
:26:25. > :26:30.is, you may think is unfortunate, who vote for me are nationalists.
:26:31. > :26:34.This is a lack of confidence within Sinn Fein. Sinn Fein knows Gerry
:26:35. > :26:38.promised a United Ireland by 2016. Not going to happen. They are
:26:39. > :26:43.looking over their shoulders at dissidents. That is not what the
:26:44. > :26:48.they it is about. They are not giving on issues about the parade.
:26:49. > :26:52.You are only after saying you are a democrat. You said are you a
:26:53. > :26:56.democrat and believe in the democratic... Are you against
:26:57. > :27:02.democratic process? You believe in the democratic vote. Why not leave
:27:03. > :27:06.it it to the democratic vote. Peaceful assembly and demonstration.
:27:07. > :27:12.That is what people are doing. Listen, listen. OK. OK. OK. Tell me
:27:13. > :27:15.this. You see this entrenched position that you both have. All
:27:16. > :27:19.right. Is this what an agreement on behalf of the people in Northern
:27:20. > :27:25.Ireland was supposed to deliver? Is this really what the next generation
:27:26. > :27:32.can expect, the fighting, the in-fighting the bitterness between
:27:33. > :27:36.you? Does it really? In any situation of politics... I know,
:27:37. > :27:41.Gerry, come on. Let us not be naive. Even if it wasn't the North we are
:27:42. > :27:47.talking about. It is. Where parties are opposite views views will you
:27:48. > :27:57.have arguments and discussions. The big parties finding compromise? We
:27:58. > :28:02.went... Do you dis dispise each other? He went to the Haas
:28:03. > :28:06.negotiation. He had no baggage. He brought as close from our opposed
:28:07. > :28:11.positions, if you like, as close as he could, he came up with a
:28:12. > :28:18.resolution, it was a compromise, by the way... Seven-minute parade past
:28:19. > :28:24.the shops on the Crumlin Road. All right. You are prepared to let a
:28:25. > :28:31.parade to come down on the basis but not allowed to go up... OK. All
:28:32. > :28:34.right. Why won't the Orange Order... What the TV programme does, we start
:28:35. > :28:38.the debate. You can continue talking now, as I'm sure many of you will do
:28:39. > :28:40.onscreen. Ladies and gentlemen, please thank our guests. Thank you
:28:41. > :29:02.very much indeed. Thank you. Lots to talk about tonight. You can
:29:03. > :29:05.contact us with the details on screen. An additional connection fee
:29:06. > :29:09.may also apply. Calls from mobiles may cost considerably more. The
:29:10. > :29:14.Twitter discussion goes on to the earlier laws of the night. I will be
:29:15. > :29:18.part of that. You can also tweet us. Or you can
:29:19. > :29:25.text us. Texts will be charged at your standard message rate. Margaret
:29:26. > :29:30.is on line one. Hello. Hello. Hello, Stephen. I am watching the TV
:29:31. > :29:38.tonight and from what I hear on the panel, the bickering and fighting
:29:39. > :29:42.together. They need to grow up and at the end of the day they are up
:29:43. > :29:48.there and what are they delivering for ordinary people? Nothing. They
:29:49. > :30:00.are doing nothing. I would vote for nine of them. -- none of them. They
:30:01. > :30:04.are not delivering what ordinary people want. You will not hear me
:30:05. > :30:07.sing this quite often, they are not doing nothing, they are working very
:30:08. > :30:17.hard but they cannot reach agreement. Absolutely, Stephen. They
:30:18. > :30:19.cannot crack a compromise. We will continue this discussion tonight.
:30:20. > :30:25.Please engage with the programme. All the details will be on screen.
:30:26. > :30:28.It is a big mix on this show, so we will take a little bit of a gear
:30:29. > :30:31.change for some music tonight. I heard these guys in rehearsal and
:30:32. > :30:35.they sounded amazing. I'm delighted to welcome them on The Nolan Show.
:30:36. > :30:38.Here with the track High Hopes from their number one selling album in
:30:39. > :30:48.the Irish charts, please welcome Kodaline. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.
:30:49. > :30:56.# Broken bottles in the hotel lobby. # Seems to me like I'm just scared
:30:57. > :31:01.of never feeling it again. # I know it's crazy to believe in silly
:31:02. > :31:10.things. # It's not that easy.
:31:11. > :31:16.# I remember it now, it takes me back to when it all first started.
:31:17. > :31:22.# But I've only got myself to blame for it, and I accept the now.
:31:23. > :31:31.# It's time to let it all go, go out and start again.
:31:32. > :31:41.# But it's not that easy. # But I've got high hopes, it takes
:31:42. > :31:47.me back to when we started. # High hopes. # When you let it go,
:31:48. > :31:53.go out and start again. # High hopes. # Ooh, when it all
:31:54. > :32:16.comes to an end. # But the world keeps spinning around.
:32:17. > :32:23.# And in my dreams, I make the ghosts of all the people who've come
:32:24. > :32:28.and gone. # Memories, they seem to show up so quick but they leave you
:32:29. > :32:34.far too soon. # My evil is just staring at the
:32:35. > :32:44.barrel of a gun. # And I do believe in.
:32:45. > :32:47.# I've got high hopes. # It takes me back to when we
:32:48. > :32:58.started. # High hopes, when you let it go, go
:32:59. > :33:01.out and start again. # High hopes, ooh when it all comes
:33:02. > :33:12.to an end. # But the world keeps spinning.
:33:13. > :33:29.# And the world keeps spinning around.
:33:30. > :33:39.# High hopes. # It takes me back to when we started. # High hopes.
:33:40. > :33:47.# When you let it go, go out and start again.
:33:48. > :34:06.# High hopes, ooh. # And the world keeps spinning.
:34:07. > :34:16.# Yeah, this world keeps spinning. # How this world keeps spinning
:34:17. > :34:29.around. # Still to come on tonight's show:
:34:30. > :34:49.Brilliant. Brilliant stuff. Thank you very much. Still to come on
:34:50. > :34:52.tonight's show: Can you still be sexy at 60?
:34:53. > :35:02.We'll be testing the theory with some pensioners in their undies live
:35:03. > :35:05.in this studio. LAUGHTER. Somebody is getting worryingly excited! It
:35:06. > :35:08.could be you. Now, my next guest has been
:35:09. > :35:12.broadcasting into our homes since the 1970s. She reported on some of
:35:13. > :35:14.the dark days of the Troubles and is no stranger to suffering herself.
:35:15. > :35:26.Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Gloria Hunniford. APPLAUSE.
:35:27. > :35:30.Hello there. Good to see you. Not too many politicians will kiss you
:35:31. > :35:34.when they come on. Don't you think it is a disgrace that Stephen wanted
:35:35. > :35:40.me as a pet -- as a pensioner to come on in my underwear tonight? I
:35:41. > :35:44.am terribly glad I refused. You have been doing this for how long? I have
:35:45. > :35:49.been singing since I was eight so I've been performing since eight
:35:50. > :35:55.years old. What is it like to come on? I love it. I was here two weeks
:35:56. > :35:58.ago. What saddens me sometimes, and I am not being judgemental at all,
:35:59. > :36:03.because when you do not live here, you miss the nuance of what is going
:36:04. > :36:11.on, but I hate to see programmes like Ross Kemp's last night. I hate
:36:12. > :36:17.to see that. The asks -- you asked what it feels like to come on. I
:36:18. > :36:21.love this country. I was making a documentary on the merits of the
:36:22. > :36:26.mine. Everyone talks about Downton Abbey worldwide. But County
:36:27. > :36:30.Fermanagh has all these lovely castles and house 's and 58 miles of
:36:31. > :36:33.waterway and is the most beautiful place as indeed are other parts of
:36:34. > :36:39.Northern Ireland. That is the side of Northern Ireland I want to talk
:36:40. > :36:42.about. Because you have so much experience across the water, how
:36:43. > :36:45.much damage do you think the pictures we have seen on our
:36:46. > :36:57.television over recent times in many years of the violence, how much
:36:58. > :37:01.damaged as it do? I was talking to someone backstage, and he said it is
:37:02. > :37:04.the same old circle. That is a tragedy in a way. I am not in the
:37:05. > :37:07.province of the time so I just get the bullet points as people in
:37:08. > :37:18.England and Scotland and song get. Unfortunately, that is what they see
:37:19. > :37:21.in Maine -- in the news. The country is fabulous. I have one really good
:37:22. > :37:24.friend in this country and he was waiting for a huge amount of money
:37:25. > :37:28.from America to build a hospital and various bits and pieces. When they
:37:29. > :37:32.saw the skirmishes on television, the Americans went, I do not want
:37:33. > :37:37.any part of that and I am putting my money elsewhere. That is a tragedy.
:37:38. > :37:40.We all have cultural differences. I was very lucky in that I went to
:37:41. > :37:48.Canada when I was 17, which was a big thing then. You lot Canada,
:37:49. > :37:53.didn't you? It was in the 1950s. My mother did not want me to go. I
:37:54. > :38:01.learned then that all nationalities, Russians, check is a vacuum, could
:38:02. > :38:16.live together. Wasn't your dad in the Orange Order? He was, yes.
:38:17. > :38:19.The/keynote Every July. -- when I married a Catholic, that is
:38:20. > :38:26.something you did not do in those days, the 1960s. What feedback did
:38:27. > :38:34.you get? From my dad, very bad. What did he say? He said, if you decide
:38:35. > :38:40.to marry this man, from the day you marry him, he will be reticent to me
:38:41. > :38:47.but I am not going to the wedding. -- he will be like a son to me. He
:38:48. > :38:51.was a very highly principled man about everything. He worked in
:38:52. > :38:55.newspapers. He had a wonderful Christmas one year and his boss
:38:56. > :39:00.said, Charlie, I want to give you a bonus. My dad said, you can keep the
:39:01. > :39:06.bonus. If you think I am that good, give me a raise that month. He was
:39:07. > :39:10.that principled so I understood it. In a weird way, of course, I married
:39:11. > :39:16.my husband and I said to my dad, but he is an English Catholic and does
:39:17. > :39:18.not go to church. See what I mean? Because I was living abroad it's
:39:19. > :39:24.changed my viewpoint generally on the world and life and
:39:25. > :39:27.nationalities. I want to have a look at some of the broadcast work you
:39:28. > :39:42.have done here. It is all coming out now. Let's have a look at this.
:39:43. > :40:19.APPLAUSE. I have to tell you... Would be so
:40:20. > :40:28.dearly Christmas -- what we used to do every Christmas... That is a bad
:40:29. > :40:31.choice of phrase, actually! We used to collect a lot of groceries for
:40:32. > :40:36.pensioners at Christmas time. Gerry was bending down to pick up a box
:40:37. > :40:40.live on a and, you know, off the trousers went. When you see, I
:40:41. > :40:50.guess, what you have done over loss of years, I don't know how to ask
:40:51. > :40:55.this, but are you feeling old? No. I do not want to get older, none of us
:40:56. > :40:59.do. But I love the job. My son says, mum, why don't you slow down and go
:41:00. > :41:05.on a desert island somewhere? I do not want to. I love it. Like you,
:41:06. > :41:13.every day, I meet new people and hear new things. It is a pleasure to
:41:14. > :41:17.do the job, isn't it? One of the things that is a real fear for some
:41:18. > :41:21.people because of the unknown part of it, I know you have set money
:41:22. > :41:26.aside so you do not go into a care home if you need to. Had you know
:41:27. > :41:34.about my money scenario? Yes close to me than you think! -- he is
:41:35. > :41:46.closer to me. I did a documentary for the BBC last year called When I
:41:47. > :41:51.Get Older. We first of all had to live with previous people for a
:41:52. > :41:58.week. I had to live with the women who only had ?3 60 as a disposable
:41:59. > :42:03.income per day. Think about that. You cannot live on that. That is
:42:04. > :42:07.what they gave me. The next one I did I had to live in a care home for
:42:08. > :42:11.the week. Don't ask me why, but from when I was this size, my mother must
:42:12. > :42:14.have taken me to visit someone in a care home, but it has been the dread
:42:15. > :42:18.of my life that one day I would have to go there. I know the reasons why
:42:19. > :42:23.people have to go into a care home... I have been some fantastic
:42:24. > :42:29.care homes filming and sometimes a few is not rational because it is
:42:30. > :42:40.fantastic care. I opened a care home three months ago that is like a
:42:41. > :42:44.sixth hotel. -- a 5-star hotel. My mum must have brought me to a place
:42:45. > :42:48.I did not like the look of. The fear is not being in my own home as
:42:49. > :42:57.opposed to being in a care home. What will you do then? I will love
:42:58. > :43:04.you view because you're younger! -- live with you. But you have
:43:05. > :43:11.seriously set money aside? We have ring-fenced money so that if we need
:43:12. > :43:15.help or something doing around the home, that is a legal spend it, in
:43:16. > :43:19.the hope that we can stay at home as long as possible. I bet it we ask
:43:20. > :43:22.everyone in the audience, would you prefer to stay in your own house
:43:23. > :43:26.eventually, they would say yes. There are reasons people have to go
:43:27. > :43:33.to home in the end, of course there are. How much did your sister
:43:34. > :43:42.influence you and your thoughts? I do not think she influenced my
:43:43. > :43:51.thoughts... This is your sister, Lena. This is my sister, Lena. She
:43:52. > :43:57.died a couple of years ago. She got dementia in the end and to see that
:43:58. > :44:04.very bright green diminish. -- bright brain. That is very sad. In
:44:05. > :44:05.the end, she did have to go into home by necessity because
:44:06. > :44:11.unfortunately with dementia, sometimes the person becomes a
:44:12. > :44:16.danger to himself or herself. And so in the end they have to have care.
:44:17. > :44:20.Would you prefer a longer life with dementia or a shorter life knowing
:44:21. > :44:25.who you are? I want to keep on going. Do you want to keep going? I
:44:26. > :44:30.think honestly, I think for me, personally, I don't... It scarce me
:44:31. > :44:35.the thought of confusion, not knowing who I am. I think I'd want
:44:36. > :44:42.to go before, rather than live a longer life. The reality of dementia
:44:43. > :44:46.it's just as hard on the relatives. Very hard on the relatives. Very
:44:47. > :44:49.hard. You are losing the person who you loved, in that sense. It becomes
:44:50. > :44:53.a different person. I have a funny feeling will you have all these
:44:54. > :45:06.injections to keep you younger. What do you think? Listen, I do treat my
:45:07. > :45:08.body as a temple! APPLAUSE
:45:09. > :45:13.On that note, actually, I did want to ask you, while you are here.
:45:14. > :45:18.Because you very much had a battle with sugar. You said, right, that's
:45:19. > :45:22.it. This is the big, big subject now. It certainly is. The Americans
:45:23. > :45:27.are going mad about sugar and the battle against sugar? The headline
:45:28. > :45:31.from America is sugar is poison. The headline is sugar is the new
:45:32. > :45:36.tobacco. Love sugar? You see. What happened was, I had blood sugar
:45:37. > :45:42.reading. I almost had September seem Sima last year. Did you? ? A knife
:45:43. > :45:48.cut in the kitchen. Don't come to me for dinner. I'm not good in the
:45:49. > :45:52.kitchen. Bad blood poisoning. I had a high sugar reading. I didn't want
:45:53. > :45:58.to be diabetic. I said, what will I have to do. I will sub the story.
:45:59. > :46:03.When you give up sugar and carbs, not easy at the beginning. Try
:46:04. > :46:11.telling an Irish woman to give up potatoes etc, two stone dropped off.
:46:12. > :46:15.I lost five stone not carbs and put six back on. Twoers ya ago. If you
:46:16. > :46:20.are told it for a medical reason you will do it better than you will for
:46:21. > :46:23.vanity reasons. For vanity reasons I've been off and on diets for
:46:24. > :46:28.years. As soon as there was a medical reason, the mind sharpened.
:46:29. > :46:34.The will power sharpened. This will lead us into the next debate on the
:46:35. > :46:39.programme tonight. Do you feel a pressure to be on screen, I'm not
:46:40. > :46:44.talking about decent. Everybody can be decent. Do you feel any type of
:46:45. > :46:49.pressure to be as sexy or good-looking or as glamorous as some
:46:50. > :46:53.of the young presenters? Well, this is the honest truth. You know, I was
:46:54. > :46:58.never a glamour puss in that sense, at all, I wasn't. Therefore, it's
:46:59. > :47:02.not like I was born Joan Collins I had the big image to keep up. I
:47:03. > :47:06.didn't. I have been involved in journalism since 1969. I made the
:47:07. > :47:10.most of what I got. It's as simple as that. I have... Maybe I've been
:47:11. > :47:14.lucky. I haven't stopped working. Never had to look for a job. Yet,
:47:15. > :47:20.I've never put that pressure on myself. Do you see what I mean?
:47:21. > :47:23.There may be people who say, I have to go under the knife three or four
:47:24. > :47:28.times, keep up-to-date. I might go under the knife. Who knows. ? I
:47:29. > :47:31.wouldn't be against it. If you were getting cosmetic surgery, which part
:47:32. > :47:36.of your body would you get it on? Have you got all night? One body
:47:37. > :47:40.part, what would it be? Do a bit of that, wouldn't I? If I decided to do
:47:41. > :47:44.it. I don't see anything wrong with doing it. I haven't done it yet. I
:47:45. > :47:48.answer your question, I do not feel pressure that I've got to have
:47:49. > :47:52.surgery and do this and have a boob job and all of that. In order to
:47:53. > :47:57.stay on TV. I'd like to think I have a bit of experience to offer or
:47:58. > :48:01.something else to offer. I said this to you before you came on. I mean.
:48:02. > :48:05.It I want to say it publicly. Sometimes because of the nature I,
:48:06. > :48:08.do the TV and radio shows I do, we talk about what is wrong in Northern
:48:09. > :48:13.Ireland and the negative stuff about Northern Ireland. People like
:48:14. > :48:17.yourself and Eamonn you are great ambassadors for us. We love the
:48:18. > :48:21.place. It's a pleasure for you to come here tonight and for me to have
:48:22. > :48:31.you here. Thank you very much. Give Gloria a big hand. Thank you very
:48:32. > :48:38.much. Thank you so frp. -- much. Now, it leads us into our next
:48:39. > :48:42.debate tonight. Is this the undies. You do not go into the undies, now.
:48:43. > :48:47.Please promise you are not going into the undies. If they wait for
:48:48. > :48:51.another 10, 15 minutes another guy is desperate for me to go into my
:48:52. > :48:56.Y-fronts, you never know. You are not supposed to look that horrified.
:48:57. > :49:00.Can you be sexy at 60. A major fashion chain thinks you can. They
:49:01. > :49:05.featured a 62-year-old mod Nell their latest lingerie ad campaign.
:49:06. > :49:09.We are always keen to get you involved at home in our studio
:49:10. > :49:11.debates. I put out the idea on the radio programme aimed at our more
:49:12. > :49:24.mature listeners. We are looking for over 60s to model
:49:25. > :49:30.some lingerie for us. The question, can you be sexy at 60? We are
:49:31. > :49:34.looking for men and women to do it. Once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.
:49:35. > :49:41.Throwing pants at us. I don't know which way up they go. Wonderful What
:49:42. > :49:45.if you wore a pair of bloomers. Wear whatever you want. Whatever you
:49:46. > :49:48.think makes you sexy. How many people do you think volunteered
:49:49. > :49:51.after that radio show yesterday, the biggest show in the country. Not one
:49:52. > :49:56.of you. You are not blocking me from doing this. I have found, ladies and
:49:57. > :50:00.gentlemen, my own people. Do you want to see them?
:50:01. > :50:06.AUDIENCE: YES! They are not sure. They are going to see them anyway.
:50:07. > :50:10.Please welcome Libby, who is 60 and sexy!
:50:11. > :50:19.APPLAUSE She does look good, doesn't she? We
:50:20. > :50:21.will get your comments tonight. We are not sexiest in this programme.
:50:22. > :50:46.Here's Dominic who is 65 and sexy. Now, here's the question - is there
:50:47. > :50:54.any difference or anything for these people to be remote ashamed about,
:50:55. > :50:58.feeling inferior than a 30 or 40-year-old coming out? Absolutely
:50:59. > :51:02.not. If they feel ashamed it's because of the pressure we put on
:51:03. > :51:07.them in western society. We treat people over a certain age as if they
:51:08. > :51:12.are non people. That is why there are elderly people dying on hospital
:51:13. > :51:16.wards at this moment in time is because we wipe people off after a
:51:17. > :51:22.certain age. I think both these people look absolutely stunning,
:51:23. > :51:24.personally. Can I just say... APPLAUSE
:51:25. > :51:34.He's enjoying it too much this guy up here. The I'm going with him
:51:35. > :51:42.here. He's looking good. OK, that might be for another reason though!
:51:43. > :51:46.Calm down. I can't, I can't. Anything wrong about trying to be
:51:47. > :51:51.sexy at 60, putting yourself under pressure to be sexy at 60? It's good
:51:52. > :51:57.being sexy no matter what age you are. Whether you are 20, 60, sexy is
:51:58. > :52:03.for the bedroom. The model we saw used for this fashion campaign had
:52:04. > :52:09.her legs at a quarter to 12 in see through red panties. Have you a
:52:10. > :52:17.mummy and I have a mummy. If your mummy was in see through panties.
:52:18. > :52:21.How would you feel? Put it away, mummy. That is my thoughts. What
:52:22. > :52:26.about the fact they have a life. We act as if people don't exist after a
:52:27. > :52:32.certain age. We have to stop do that. I'm offended by seeing the
:52:33. > :52:36.sexisation of young children. Seeing 14-year-old girls in a state of
:52:37. > :52:39.undress than I'm by any of these lovely people coming down the
:52:40. > :52:46.stairs. That is the problem in our society. We are absolutely youth
:52:47. > :52:51.object cressed. I agree. That is a bit of craic, for want of a better
:52:52. > :52:55.phrase. When it comes to the reality do we want 62-year-olds walking
:52:56. > :53:01.about with their Godly bits on show? I don't want to be seeing that. I
:53:02. > :53:05.wouldn't be putting mine on show either. Neither am I. Everything is
:53:06. > :53:10.tucked away and rolled in. Having said that, there is something to
:53:11. > :53:13.consider here, isn't there? We are all living, certainly some of us are
:53:14. > :53:18.living a lot longer. Yeah. , therefore, at what point are we
:53:19. > :53:23.going to stop writing someone off at 60 that, look, don't try to... Don't
:53:24. > :53:27.try to be really trendy, you are 60 now. Is that fair any more? People
:53:28. > :53:31.are more, more and more people are living into their 70s and 80s, that
:53:32. > :53:37.is the point? Will is a difference between trendy and mutton dressed
:53:38. > :53:41.Aslam be. We know that phrase, "sure look at the woman, she's mutton"
:53:42. > :53:49.it's true. There are labels you can wear. The -- brand that used this
:53:50. > :53:57.lady is a younger brand. It was two years ago. It wasn't for a campaign
:53:58. > :54:07.they were going to use. They weren't getting the column issues. I think
:54:08. > :54:13.it's fine. If you are happy in your body. Flaunt it. You said if you
:54:14. > :54:18.walk into the house and your mum's legs were - Can we stop that,
:54:19. > :54:24.please. I'm serious, stop it! Would you not Raith ter was your mum than
:54:25. > :54:29.your 10, 11, 12, 13-year-old sister. If you are happy in your body...
:54:30. > :54:35.When you see someone out, how old are you? I'm 24 next week. You are
:54:36. > :54:42.24. If you saw someone, I don't know, in their 70s dressed up to the
:54:43. > :54:45.'90s trying to be trendy... It wouldn't bother me. If I don't like
:54:46. > :54:49.it I don't have to look at it. They are not asking me to look at it.
:54:50. > :54:59.They want to go out like that, they are happy, let them. This young lady
:55:00. > :55:06.here in the pink dress. I disagree. It it sort of demonstrates ageism. I
:55:07. > :55:10.think you take the looks... Looks at Helen Mirren a great stereotype for
:55:11. > :55:22.people. Great role model for people over 60. She won Woman of the Year
:55:23. > :55:32.last week at the age of 68. Twerked as well better than Miley Cyrus.
:55:33. > :55:40.Twerked? A bottom movement. Can I respond. You can talk, can't you?
:55:41. > :55:46.Yus -- just a wee bit. Is there any pressure. Forget about if they want
:55:47. > :55:50.to do. It if there pressure on elderly people - To look a certain
:55:51. > :55:55.way. Someone in their '50s walking into work trying to keep up with...
:55:56. > :55:59.It was interesting what Gloria had to say. She didn't herself feel
:56:00. > :56:16.personally... Hold on. I suspect something is about to happen. Hello.
:56:17. > :56:24.Oh, no. We're dead, aren't we? I have a horrible thought, ladies and
:56:25. > :56:29.gentlemen, what that silhouette actually represents. Oh, no. Ladies
:56:30. > :56:37.and gentlemen, please welcome, John McCririck.
:56:38. > :56:50.APPLAUSE I love it! Keep quiet. Have any of
:56:51. > :57:00.you ever seen a hunk with a body like this? I heard them calling. Let
:57:01. > :57:06.me say this to you. There are tens of thousands of Ulster ladies
:57:07. > :57:14.drooling over their tellies at home, lusting after me. Now, I can
:57:15. > :57:18.understand that! No, no, no. APPLAUSE
:57:19. > :57:24.John, John, John! I would be more worried that Jimmy Bryson is very
:57:25. > :57:30.close to you, I tell you now. The Let me me tell you one thing about
:57:31. > :57:35.Stephen Nolan he is a regular attender at his local nudist club.
:57:36. > :57:39.No wonder the membership is Coe lapsing. He flaunts his body, what
:57:40. > :57:45.is wrong with that. I have something to flaunt. I don't! I'm so
:57:46. > :57:51.good-looking I always have been. We can give John a round of applause to
:57:52. > :58:03.sit down, ladies and gentlemen. APPLAUSE.
:58:04. > :58:13.It's kind of one of those moments where I know the controller of BBC
:58:14. > :58:18.Northern Ireland... Seriously though. In all seriousness. I know
:58:19. > :58:28.you can be serious. You are getting on. You fought a case against ageism
:58:29. > :58:34.and lost. Do you feel... Not funny! It may well affect all of you. The
:58:35. > :58:39.fact that I lost my case is bad for anyone who is sacked by the suits
:58:40. > :58:45.and skirts who run organisations thinking you are too old. I agree.
:58:46. > :58:52.Bad for all of you. Of course, they would argue that wasn't nt -- the
:58:53. > :58:56.reason. Do you feel under pressure because of the young generations
:58:57. > :59:00.coming up with dress and look and appearance? No. You speak as you see
:59:01. > :59:03.it. I'm proud to represent the young people of Britain and Northern
:59:04. > :59:08.Ireland. I speak for the young people. What you have to do is not
:59:09. > :59:11.be ashamed of what you look like. Go out there, flaunt it. If people
:59:12. > :59:16.don't like, it fine. That's up to them. Why be ashamed? All of us are
:59:17. > :59:22.growing old, middle-aged, whatever it is. Wouldn't you rather look like
:59:23. > :59:30.me, my body than Stephen Nolan? There you are. Take it. Let's have a
:59:31. > :59:40.vote. No, sit down! Sit down! Silence. Who do you prefer Stephen
:59:41. > :59:43.Nolan, hands up? None. Me! APPLAUSE
:59:44. > :59:49.The case is proven. Take the prisoner down. There's a lady here,
:59:50. > :59:53.yes. I personally think it's fine no matter what age you are. I mean, to
:59:54. > :59:58.look like that at 60 is fantasticment I hope I look like
:59:59. > :00:07.that when I'm 60. I've no problems with what age they are. Like John?
:00:08. > :00:11.No. No. These lovely ladies here. The lady to the front. We are
:00:12. > :00:19.running out of time. I was going to say, John, you look amazing, carry
:00:20. > :00:25.on comfortable. You look fantastic. Right at the very back. Go-ahead.
:00:26. > :00:38.That's you. I'd like to thank you John McCririck for the nomination.
:00:39. > :00:41.No, no, no. OK. Someone else here. Young fella in the glasses.
:00:42. > :00:47.Go-ahead. Sadly, I'm like John when I take off my top, I'd like to say
:00:48. > :00:56.thank you you are giving me the body confidence to be able to do that in
:00:57. > :00:58.my older age. APPLAUSE
:00:59. > :01:02.Quickly. Hold on. That was key. What we need are more positive role
:01:03. > :01:06.models in the media. People who embrace themselves. The truth is,
:01:07. > :01:11.with age you get wisdom and maturity. I've not got that. Not
:01:12. > :01:16.you, John. The truth is, good role models. All right. At 62 years of
:01:17. > :01:21.age you should have enough wisdom to keep them on. We have had a
:01:22. > :01:25.fantastic show tonight. One idiot in the audience. He can be an idiot. We
:01:26. > :01:28.had a great time ladies and gentlemen. Give them a round of
:01:29. > :01:30.applause, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for your
:01:31. > :01:36.company. Thank you.