:00:00. > :00:07.We've a Nolan special programme tonight.
:00:08. > :00:12.The First Minister is threatening to quit. He says IRA suspects were
:00:13. > :00:48.given get out of jail free cards behind his back. Is power-sharing
:00:49. > :00:53.really in trouble? Hello. A very important programme tonight. Is it
:00:54. > :01:02.all in danger of coming tumbling time tonight. Peter Robinson is
:01:03. > :01:05.demanding a judicial inquiry into secret government letters to more
:01:06. > :01:08.than 180 republican "on-the-runs". They were assured they wouldn't be
:01:09. > :01:13.arrested. The First Minister is threatening to resign. This is an
:01:14. > :01:17.absolute outrage. It is very clear to anyone who has listen to me how
:01:18. > :01:22.angry I am about it and I am not repaired to be a stage or
:01:23. > :01:27.Westminster. I am not appeared to be part of a government that has
:01:28. > :01:33.responsibility for policing and justice yet is not told in very
:01:34. > :01:37.critical issue in relation to policing and justice and not given
:01:38. > :01:43.any information about it. Nobody would stay in those circumstances. I
:01:44. > :01:49.want a full judicial inquiry into all of these matters. I want to know
:01:50. > :01:52.who the 187 people are that received these letters. It is vital but no
:01:53. > :01:58.one is allowed to think they can get away with it and that is why I want
:01:59. > :02:02.all of these letters rescinded. Tough talking from the First
:02:03. > :02:08.Minister. Joining me now is DUP minister Arlene Foster and Sinn
:02:09. > :02:13.Fein's Gerry Kelly. Peter Robinson has gone further. He has given the
:02:14. > :02:17.government until Friday to do that. He met with the Secretary of State
:02:18. > :02:22.and he was very clear with her that he wanted to express his anger. He
:02:23. > :02:26.wanted her to know the depth of feeling right across Northern
:02:27. > :02:32.Ireland. We have had telephone calls today from people who are outraged
:02:33. > :02:36.about this affront to justice. They think justice has been undermined.
:02:37. > :02:39.They think their is a secret and clandestine system on sending out
:02:40. > :02:45.letters which is essentially get out of jail free cards. He has spoken to
:02:46. > :02:49.the Secretary of State. The alarming thing is that the Royal Prerogative
:02:50. > :02:54.of Mercy has used in some cases. It is not just a case of people who
:02:55. > :02:58.were not questioned about a particular crime, but they have also
:02:59. > :03:03.said that this has been used as well. That means people were
:03:04. > :03:09.convicted in their absence in court and who were on the run were allowed
:03:10. > :03:15.to come back to Northern Ireland. We will come back to that in a moment.
:03:16. > :03:20.What is Peter Robinson saying? Under what circumstances will he resign?
:03:21. > :03:25.If he does not get the letters rescinded, will he resign? He needs
:03:26. > :03:29.to have clarity around the letters, and got them and what they say. We
:03:30. > :03:36.understand different people got different letters. We understand the
:03:37. > :03:40.letters had been going out from the year 2000 until 2012. You need to
:03:41. > :03:47.know what they say. And he needs a public inquiry. He has asked for the
:03:48. > :03:51.letters to be rescinded and that is at the heart of this. The DUP says
:03:52. > :03:58.these letters are wrong. Has the First Minister, is he saying that he
:03:59. > :04:07.will resign if those letters are not taken out. He has been clear. He is
:04:08. > :04:10.resigning unless there is clarity around the letters and unless there
:04:11. > :04:16.is a public inquiry in relation to what has happened. Rescinding is not
:04:17. > :04:20.a deal-breaker. It could mean getting clarity in relation to the
:04:21. > :04:28.letters. Rescinding means the letters that have been sent out are
:04:29. > :04:35.no longer valid. Is that a resigning matter? Absolutely. If the letters
:04:36. > :04:39.are not withdrawn he will resign? In the letters were not followed up,
:04:40. > :04:51.they were told that there were no longer wanted... That is not
:04:52. > :04:54.correct. New evidence... It is not. We do not know that the letters
:04:55. > :04:59.actually say and that is part of the problem. If there is no evidence
:05:00. > :05:04.than any of these people can be presented again if there is fresh
:05:05. > :05:08.evidence. There was evidence in relation to the gentleman who was
:05:09. > :05:14.able to walk free over the Hyde Park bombing. There was evidence there.
:05:15. > :05:21.There was a mistake by the police there. We will get into that later.
:05:22. > :05:27.Will First Minister resign if those letters are not wanted? Yes, he
:05:28. > :05:35.will. That is clear. That is a message to you. It is not a message
:05:36. > :05:46.to me. This is the First Minister. He has pinned himself into a corner.
:05:47. > :05:50.Peter Robinson knows his own mind. The letters were if someone went
:05:51. > :05:58.forward and said I want to know if I am being sought for questioning or
:05:59. > :06:01.arrest, for my status is. In 187 of those situations, letters were sent
:06:02. > :06:06.back saying we are not looking for you, we do not need you. We are
:06:07. > :06:11.talking about these people as if they have been through the courts.
:06:12. > :06:17.We are talking about them as if they are in the IRA. You said some of
:06:18. > :06:23.them may have ended up in jail. You believe some of them would have been
:06:24. > :06:31.found guilty. I said might have been, but anywhere. That is correct.
:06:32. > :06:34.What would your point? The point is due process was not allowed to
:06:35. > :06:40.continue in a court. Let me spell out my point. You are assuming they
:06:41. > :06:47.will have went to court, you are making an assumption. Let me finish
:06:48. > :06:50.my sentence. The British government including the Secretary of State is
:06:51. > :06:57.currently telling this country that those letters were letters of fact.
:06:58. > :07:00.There was insufficient evidence to pursue those people that
:07:01. > :07:03.prosecutions could not continue. Is it not an extraordinary situation
:07:04. > :07:08.where the government of this country says there is no evidence against
:07:09. > :07:10.these people and Sinn Fein are saying if these people had gone to
:07:11. > :07:17.court some of them may have been jailed. That is my point. The
:07:18. > :07:21.extraordinary situation is that we were in a conflict resolution
:07:22. > :07:27.situation. In all of these situations throughout the world
:07:28. > :07:30.there are processes whereby the combatants and prisoners were dealt
:07:31. > :07:40.with as well as arms and all of these things. British soldiers
:07:41. > :07:47.combatants? Yes, they are. The difference between state forces and
:07:48. > :07:49.Republicans and again, there you go... Accusing people of being
:07:50. > :07:56.terrorists and they have not been through the court... The whole point
:07:57. > :08:04.is if they have not went through the courts... Are you seriously
:08:05. > :08:08.suggesting these people did not support the IRA? There was a period
:08:09. > :08:14.of internment. By could argue that those people were innocent because
:08:15. > :08:21.they were jailed without trial. -- I could argue. The British government
:08:22. > :08:31.has accepted that they put all sorts of people in jail. I am not talking
:08:32. > :08:36.about internment. Why did they go through Sinn Fein if they were not
:08:37. > :08:42.IRA sympathisers and terrorists? I am elected to a constituency. Anyone
:08:43. > :08:48.can come into my office, including unionist, and ask for help. Stephen
:08:49. > :08:56.has asked a question and let me answer it. There are people who
:08:57. > :09:01.difference between state forces and Republicans was that there were no
:09:02. > :09:09.on the runs on state forces and the reason for this, despite the fact of
:09:10. > :09:12.pollution and many other things, there was only a handful of people
:09:13. > :09:21.on the state forces that went to jail. They were acting with impunity
:09:22. > :09:25.and immunity. People who should have went to jail when never thought of
:09:26. > :09:33.eating questioned or anything. Let's have some balance. What is going to
:09:34. > :09:41.happen in relation to the soldiers acting on bloody Sunday? Do not
:09:42. > :09:51.know. Getting the talks with Dr Richard Haass, there would be
:09:52. > :09:58.prosecutions... Let me finish. There was a process of bringing forward
:09:59. > :10:02.information. This is a legacy issue. The point has been missed. We have
:10:03. > :10:08.got into negotiations to try and take the fall of these issues and
:10:09. > :10:15.the DUP is walking away. We entered a situation on a deceit. We were not
:10:16. > :10:20.aware of these letters going out in relation to the on the runs. I have
:10:21. > :10:25.listened to Sinn Fein and I have listened to the former Secretary of
:10:26. > :10:31.State Peter Hain today. We knew that we -- you tried and failed to bring
:10:32. > :10:35.before Parliament. The question was then asked in relation to on the
:10:36. > :10:39.runs, they were given a letter saying there was no legislation...
:10:40. > :10:45.Let me finish. There will not be legislation and there will not be
:10:46. > :10:52.any amnesty. Essentially, the government deceived the leadership
:10:53. > :10:59.of the DUP. We are to believed the DUP thought it has gone away now, it
:11:00. > :11:04.has gone out of Sinn Fein's mind. There's plenty of things in Sinn
:11:05. > :11:10.Fein's mind they would like, have they got all the things? Is that
:11:11. > :11:15.what you are saying? So, you didn't ask? We asked the question in 2006.
:11:16. > :11:24.The letter is a matter of public opinion. -- public fact. The Bradley
:11:25. > :11:30.report says it is difficult to be precise about the exact number of on
:11:31. > :11:34.the run cases but the circumstances around 200 individuals have been
:11:35. > :11:39.considered by the PSN I so their status can be assessed while the
:11:40. > :11:44.majority are not wanted for prosecution a quarter of the cases
:11:45. > :11:53.are still under... Where does it say that they got a letter that said to
:11:54. > :12:05.them...? You are pretending... You are pretending... You are pretending
:12:06. > :12:11.despite what I read out that the DUP did not know and it says precisely
:12:12. > :12:17.the On The Runs were being dealt with and to sit there and say you
:12:18. > :12:22.did not know... Where does it say there was a scheme to deal with the
:12:23. > :12:33.issue? Where does it say? It doesn't. You knew it was being dealt
:12:34. > :12:43.with but you didn't know how. No, we didn't know. We rejected Bradley. We
:12:44. > :12:52.rejected Bradley. You knew about it and rejected it? Did you know about
:12:53. > :13:03.that? Did you know about what I read out? That is the assessment. It is
:13:04. > :13:10.not the facts. We can move this further. Denis Bradley has gone
:13:11. > :13:16.further saying the Policing Board was fully informed about what was
:13:17. > :13:20.going on. I was vice-chairman of the Policing Board, the police came in
:13:21. > :13:25.and gave us a detailed briefing on the scheme which is being questioned
:13:26. > :13:29.and we are being told it wasn't in the public domain. The police were
:13:30. > :13:33.quite upfront and open and the political parties in Northern
:13:34. > :13:37.Ireland, barring Sinn Fein who were not on the Policing Board, would
:13:38. > :13:43.have been aware of the scheme. The scheme as it was run out by the
:13:44. > :13:47.police service was reported to the Policing Board, discussed, it was in
:13:48. > :13:55.the James Bradley report and we made recommendations. The DUP were on the
:13:56. > :14:00.Policing Board. Absolutely. I have spoken to the Policing Board and
:14:01. > :14:04.they have said clearly they did not receive any detailed briefing from
:14:05. > :14:11.the police and so I would challenge Denis Bradley to bring forward the
:14:12. > :14:16.minutes. There will be minutes. When he left the Policing Board, 2006, to
:14:17. > :14:20.show me in the minutes where there was a briefing in relation to On The
:14:21. > :14:25.Runs. I spoke to my colleagues before I came on the show tonight, I
:14:26. > :14:30.asked if they had received a briefing in relation to On The
:14:31. > :14:37.Runs. Why would he say that? I have no idea. We need to find the
:14:38. > :14:43.minutes. I would like to say it is time to start moving on and see how
:14:44. > :14:47.we can make a difference for the future. Why? Doesn't it matter to
:14:48. > :14:51.you that justice prevails at all times, I was reading Gerry Kelly
:14:52. > :14:56.talking about Bloody Sunday and talking in the past about needing
:14:57. > :15:00.justice for his community and demanding justice. What about people
:15:01. > :15:07.in the unionist community demanding justice? Are they allowed to? It is
:15:08. > :15:11.important to sort it out and how you will make amends in the future. That
:15:12. > :15:18.is what everyone else is looking forward to, the future. Go ahead.
:15:19. > :15:23.Stephen, for years Sinn Fein and the republican movement have been
:15:24. > :15:28.demanding that members of the security forces be brought to
:15:29. > :15:34.justice for alleged collusion, the prepared to tonight in front of this
:15:35. > :15:39.audience to come out and demand justice be brought for his IRA
:15:40. > :15:47.friends who are now walking about with get out of jail free cards?
:15:48. > :15:52.APPLAUSE I tell you what I was asked in the
:15:53. > :15:58.hast talks a number of times and I said clearly that we are trying to
:15:59. > :16:03.deal with the issues of the past. What ever comes out of the Haass
:16:04. > :16:13.talks has to be done on an equal basis. Could that apply to the
:16:14. > :16:19.soldiers being investigated in Bloody Sunday? Everyone. You would
:16:20. > :16:24.see a situation where the Bloody Sunday soldiers could be given
:16:25. > :16:30.immunity from prosecution? Remember what the Haass talks said. It set up
:16:31. > :16:34.a historical enquiries unit which would allow families
:16:35. > :16:38.across-the-board on the Unionist side and the nationalist side who
:16:39. > :16:48.could pursue justice. We agreed with that across-the-board. You're making
:16:49. > :16:52.a mistake in saying these 180 -- 187 people have evaded justice. They
:16:53. > :16:59.asked for an assessment of their status and they got an answer. This
:17:00. > :17:03.is causing controversy in David Cameron's party. Joining us is the
:17:04. > :17:13.Tory MP Bob Stewart. What is your reaction? I am sad and Paul's, if we
:17:14. > :17:19.are talking about the Hyde Park bombing is which started this, I am
:17:20. > :17:25.shocked that this man who has allegedly done this will not be
:17:26. > :17:33.tried. I find it appalling. And I had no knowledge about any get out
:17:34. > :17:38.of jail cards. 30 odd of these letters were handed out under your
:17:39. > :17:42.government, not just labour. What you to your Secretary of State
:17:43. > :17:48.Theresa Villiers who within your party who is standing over those
:17:49. > :17:51.letters? Well, what we said in the House of Commons is we want to know
:17:52. > :17:56.who has done it and the question was asked repeatedly today. Let's be
:17:57. > :18:04.quite clear, five months after the Hyde Park bombings occurred I lost
:18:05. > :18:09.six men personally, 11 soldiers were killed, six civilians were killed at
:18:10. > :18:17.Ballykelly and I was the commander there. Five people were taken to
:18:18. > :18:23.court as a result of that and five people were sent to prison. They
:18:24. > :18:28.were guilty. What concerns me is frankly one person who is allegedly
:18:29. > :18:38.involved with the Hyde Park bombing is is not going to trial. He denies
:18:39. > :18:41.any involvement. I take that point. But the police believed that he had
:18:42. > :18:48.a case to answer. And now there was no case to answer and he is walking
:18:49. > :18:52.free. I agree with those people who are deeply upset.
:18:53. > :18:57.If people are upset about Hyde Park but about all of the letters that
:18:58. > :19:03.have been handed out, some of the letters have been handed out under
:19:04. > :19:08.your government is wash with Theresa Villiers -- under your watch. Are
:19:09. > :19:15.you prepared to condemn her for doing so, she is in your party.
:19:16. > :19:23.I am condemning who has done it, frankly. We asked who was
:19:24. > :19:27.responsible, we repeatedly asked. I am not in the government. I am a
:19:28. > :19:32.backbencher. I ask for things to be done properly, I ask for how this
:19:33. > :19:37.had happened and who was responsible and we need to know.
:19:38. > :19:42.The First Minister of this country is asking for the letters to be
:19:43. > :19:47.rescinded or he will resign. Do you support him?
:19:48. > :19:52.Yes. Of course I do. I want those people who have carried out a crime
:19:53. > :19:59.to be brought to justice. Including members of the security forces? Of
:20:00. > :20:04.course. If people carry out a crime, I want justice. He is making an
:20:05. > :20:09.assumption the people who were cleared have carried out a crime.
:20:10. > :20:15.There is no evidence of them carried out a crime. There is evidence but
:20:16. > :20:22.it hasn't been tested in court. Unless that is the presumption of
:20:23. > :20:57.innocence. How is there evidence? First of all,
:20:58. > :21:01.through the negotiations involving a change in the judiciary and the
:21:02. > :21:06.police service and I did sign up. Let's be clear, we are not in the
:21:07. > :21:11.same situation we were in during the conflict where there was torture or
:21:12. > :21:17.people beating in Castlereagh or there was people murdered on the
:21:18. > :21:22.streets by state forces. It's a different situation now. I will aid
:21:23. > :21:27.you come back in. Lots of you are joining the studio debate from home.
:21:28. > :21:34.The details to get in touch are coming up on the screen. You will
:21:35. > :21:43.see the charges as well. Please read. I would like to say that it's
:21:44. > :21:48.part of the peace process that the On The Runs are being dealt with and
:21:49. > :21:57.we have to accept it. It is part of the peace process. Sinn Fein
:21:58. > :22:02.negotiated this. And nobody else knew? They all knew. They said they
:22:03. > :22:09.did not know. To be fair to Peter Robinson, and the First Minister, I
:22:10. > :22:16.said this morning now the First Minister does know, what will you do
:22:17. > :22:20.and he has said he will put his job on the line if those letters are not
:22:21. > :22:32.taken out. It's part of the peace process. Do any Unionist loyalist? I
:22:33. > :22:41.don't care. It is part of the peace process. Peter Robinson is try to
:22:42. > :22:47.bully us, the people. Trying to bully the people? Is he not standing
:22:48. > :22:51.up the transparency? He did not know. Imagine running a country and
:22:52. > :22:55.you don't know that letters ab initio to say we are not coming
:22:56. > :23:05.after you. He claims he doesn't know. Stephen is on the line.
:23:06. > :23:12.Quickly. Peter Robinson should resign. I honestly believe that to
:23:13. > :23:19.collapse the executive and I believe the reason is they sold the
:23:20. > :23:28.Protestant Unionist loyalist people a pop. We got the bad end of the
:23:29. > :23:35.deal. You look at what has happened with the Parades Commission, you
:23:36. > :23:39.look at everyone in the community feel like they are on the back foot.
:23:40. > :23:47.Think about peace and how important it is. Thank you for your call. I
:23:48. > :23:53.have to move on. Loads of people are wanting to get three. The DUP says
:23:54. > :23:59.it's a crisis. Arlene Foster says the First Minister will go. What was
:24:00. > :24:08.Stormont do about this crisis? Joining the debate, Mike Nesbitt,
:24:09. > :24:45.Alex Attwood, Jim Allister and David Ford. Mike Nesbitt,
:24:46. > :24:49.what David Trumbull wanted and gone through a judicial process, we would
:24:50. > :24:53.be on this over ten years ago. I'm talking about the economy, the
:24:54. > :25:00.education system. So, you will stay in the executive. I want to know the
:25:01. > :25:07.truth. Did Richard Haass know about the letters? Because eight months I
:25:08. > :25:12.have sat six months and two months in party leaders and not once were
:25:13. > :25:16.letters mentioned. Let's get it answered. Since you are directing
:25:17. > :25:27.the question at me, answered. Since you are directing
:25:28. > :25:31.Haass know? You went into the Cardiff talks, you did not want
:25:32. > :25:35.anything to do with them, you went into the Richard Haass talks and the
:25:36. > :25:42.UUP were against, talking to the press every day trying to destroy
:25:43. > :26:00.it. You are coming here trying to get on your high horse. Pitino? As
:26:01. > :26:09.Kim. Did he know? You should ask him. What did you say to Theresa
:26:10. > :26:14.Villiers. There was a frank exchange of views. I made it absolutely clear
:26:15. > :26:16.that the statements from the Northern Ireland Office and her
:26:17. > :26:23.statements were misleading in terms of wearing to the role of the bolder
:26:24. > :26:28.therapies. This was a Northern Ireland Office scheme set up by the
:26:29. > :26:32.Labour government and it was continuing to be administered by the
:26:33. > :26:36.Conservatives and nothing was said to the devolved Executive parties.
:26:37. > :26:43.That is fundamentally misleading to suggest we knew about it. What are
:26:44. > :26:49.you going to do about it? I got an apology from her this evening. She
:26:50. > :26:52.apologised for the misleading way that she suggested this was
:26:53. > :26:56.something to do with devolution. She admitted that it was so relieved
:26:57. > :27:01.their scheme and the scheme of the Labour Party before them. How do you
:27:02. > :27:06.feel? Some of these letters were handed out as recently as one year
:27:07. > :27:12.ago. Why you with the Justice Minister. How do you feel? There are
:27:13. > :27:17.certain things that I do not know about because the Northern Ireland
:27:18. > :27:19.Office handles them in the interests of national security. The Northern
:27:20. > :27:23.Ireland Office to say that this should now be handled at the
:27:24. > :27:33.Northern Ireland authorities, they never told us. This is a fundamental
:27:34. > :27:38.mishandling... It is an affront to the role of log. What we should have
:27:39. > :27:42.had was a proper legal process to deal with this. We needed to deal
:27:43. > :27:53.with that but we did not need it dealt with by a shabby back door
:27:54. > :27:58.deal. Alex Attwood, you were on the Northern Ireland Policing Board. Did
:27:59. > :28:04.you know about it? I hear what Denis Bradley has said but he is not
:28:05. > :28:07.infallible. I spent a long time checking with staff members and
:28:08. > :28:13.senior police officers today and there is, to put it frankly, a
:28:14. > :28:19.muddle about what we need to work out. Did you know? I did not and I
:28:20. > :28:24.will confirm that. The Northern Ireland Policing Board, and Denis
:28:25. > :28:29.Bradley confirms this and senior police will confirm this that they
:28:30. > :28:33.never knew or was their advice and all was the deal done in dark
:28:34. > :28:38.corridors between Sinn Fein and the British government. Letters were
:28:39. > :28:49.being handed to this person and that person... So let's be unambiguous
:28:50. > :28:55.about that. But let me say this. You are backing Peter Robinson on this
:28:56. > :29:01.one? I am saying that the Policing Board needs to look at its own files
:29:02. > :29:09.and see what was or was not advised to the Policing Board. Only then can
:29:10. > :29:13.you make a definitive answer to all of that. Jim Allister, do you admire
:29:14. > :29:19.the First Minister for putting his job on the line? We will see if the
:29:20. > :29:24.doors. His position is simply this. He has found himself in the
:29:25. > :29:28.embarrassing position of leading a government with Sinn Fein of being
:29:29. > :29:32.the one who sustained Sinn Fein in government. It is now quite obvious
:29:33. > :29:40.that to get that government in place he was sold a pup. He is now
:29:41. > :29:45.furiously trying to catch up with the Temple of the unionist community
:29:46. > :29:57.because the unionist community is outraged at what has happened. --
:29:58. > :30:06.catch up with the man meant. His hand has been forced but I will hold
:30:07. > :30:12.him to that. We are not talking about a Hutton inquiry whitewash. He
:30:13. > :30:18.must prove himself as good as his word and I will not reap any tears
:30:19. > :30:21.about the loss of this miserable, failing, dysfunctional Executive
:30:22. > :30:34.that has not delivered anything for anyone. Arlene Foster. Jim Allister
:30:35. > :30:44.was part of our negotiating team. I was kept in a cupboard! Surely not!
:30:45. > :30:48.Downing Street civil servants reached a point where they refused
:30:49. > :30:55.to attend meetings I was sad because they did not like the questions I
:30:56. > :31:04.was asking. I was not allowed to negotiate. But you stayed in the
:31:05. > :31:11.team! He stayed on the team in the cupboard! But anyway! Once they
:31:12. > :31:16.signed up to go into government with the IRA I was out of there and I am
:31:17. > :31:21.very proud I was out of there and that I was not any part of this
:31:22. > :31:30.betrayal. I just need to balance this. Here is the reality. Robinson
:31:31. > :31:36.has called for a public inquiry. Why would he do that there was something
:31:37. > :31:45.to hide? Answer that for me. The reality is there is nothing to hide.
:31:46. > :31:49.Hold on. He wants to know all of the pertinent information. And I believe
:31:50. > :31:53.that what he has done has said to the people of Northern Ireland that
:31:54. > :31:58.we are going to take on what is a fundamental affront to justice. It
:31:59. > :32:07.is not open and transparent. It is hidden. We need to get to the bottom
:32:08. > :32:14.of this. I do not know the instances of what First Minister did and did
:32:15. > :32:19.not know. But sometimes enquiries are a good tactic to buy time. You
:32:20. > :32:24.set up an inquiry and the results come out in around two years time
:32:25. > :32:31.and the story is gone. You have what time and it is now quiet. You think
:32:32. > :32:35.that is going to happen in this case when there is so much anger in
:32:36. > :32:41.society? That will not happen. Let me be clear. That will not happen
:32:42. > :32:46.because the First Minister will be gone on Friday if those letters are
:32:47. > :32:54.not rescinded. He has made himself very clear on all of this. Jim
:32:55. > :33:02.Allister, you are sitting there smiling. I am sorry, if that offends
:33:03. > :33:10.you Stephen. Would choose preferred direct rule back here? That is not
:33:11. > :33:16.going to happen. We are part of the United Kingdom. We would be ruled as
:33:17. > :33:21.part of the United Kingdom. By a British government that you think
:33:22. > :33:24.I'd letters from you? We are presently ruled by Sinn Fein who
:33:25. > :33:31.carry the letters, who have the letters in their pockets, to get the
:33:32. > :33:34.inmates of the justice. That is the sort of system that we live under,
:33:35. > :33:47.the obscenity of government in Northern Ireland. Here we go again.
:33:48. > :33:59.All of these accusations that people are in the IRA. Vote for these
:34:00. > :34:03.people running from? Not you, Jim. There is a fundamental mistake.
:34:04. > :34:09.These were people who wanted to find out if they were being sought by the
:34:10. > :34:14.authorities. On 187 occasions they were told they were not. It is
:34:15. > :34:20.straightforward and simple. How many were told that they were? I do not
:34:21. > :34:31.know. In that report I read out to you, it was reckoned there was...
:34:32. > :34:39.You do not know? I do not. Do you want me to guess? I would say a
:34:40. > :34:45.couple of dozen. They are still working on it. And I did tell the
:34:46. > :34:52.truth! Yes. What about telling the truth about your past? Why don't you
:34:53. > :35:04.start there? My past is open to everybody. Lets here tonight about
:35:05. > :35:14.all of the terrorist incidents. Even the late David Irvine stood up. The
:35:15. > :35:21.rhetoric you have come out with over the years... People like you and
:35:22. > :35:34.others that drove people out onto the streets. Just to remind to John
:35:35. > :35:38.Downey as we have been discussing, will not face trial although he was
:35:39. > :35:41.a suspect for the Hyde Park warming. It was the collapse of his trial
:35:42. > :35:46.that has brought all of these letters into the open. -- the Hyde