:00:00. > :00:11.Welcome along, we're live on BBC One. Here's what we've got for you
:00:12. > :00:19.tonight. That they wouldn't dare they are
:00:20. > :00:22.party leader. How dare you tell the rest of the
:00:23. > :00:25.people of Ireland but is later should not be in their.
:00:26. > :00:28.Sinn Fein is accused of bullying police to protect an untouchable
:00:29. > :00:32.leader. But is itself pointing the finger at what it calls a "dark
:00:33. > :00:36.side" or cabal in policing. Tonight, we discuss the fallout from the
:00:37. > :00:39.arrest and release of Gerry Adams. TV presenter, wildlife expert and
:00:40. > :00:44.funnyman Bill Oddie tells me about his amazing life story.
:00:45. > :00:48.And "If loving them is wrong then I don't want to be right" - that's
:00:49. > :00:50.what Ellen DeGeneres said about Crystal Swing. They'll be singing
:00:51. > :01:26.live in this studio tonight. The events of the last week have
:01:27. > :01:30.once again rocked the executive to its foundations. The arrest of Sinn
:01:31. > :01:33.Fein president Gerry Adams in relation to the abduction and murder
:01:34. > :01:39.of Jean McConville in 1972 has again thrown a spotlight on policing here.
:01:40. > :01:42.Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness has claimed there is a
:01:43. > :01:45."dark side" and a "cabal" within the PSNI, while First Minister Peter
:01:46. > :01:48.Robinson has accused the Sinn Fein leadership of "a despicable,
:01:49. > :01:55.thuggish attempt to blackmail the PSNI." Last Saturday, as Mr Adams
:01:56. > :01:58.was still in police custody, prominent republican Bobby Storey
:01:59. > :02:12.resorted to an old Gerry Adams quote on the existence of the IRA.
:02:13. > :02:20.We ain't going away, you know! And it's good to see so many of you
:02:21. > :02:29.here. The show is also the anger and annoyance that they would dare touch
:02:30. > :02:33.are party leader. Today - on what would have been his
:02:34. > :02:41.mother's 80th birthday - Michael McConville gave me his reaction to
:02:42. > :02:45.what Bobby Storey said. How dare he tell the rest of the people of
:02:46. > :02:54.Ireland that his leader should not be in their. How dare he do that?
:02:55. > :02:59.Its law and order. We have to run by law and order. The brutality that
:03:00. > :03:05.the IRA and these organisations did, take them out into the street
:03:06. > :03:11.and bang them with a six-pack, two in the hands, to the knees to in the
:03:12. > :03:19.feet. Is that justice? I also heard Bobby Storey shouting we haven't
:03:20. > :03:25.gone away, you know. The message I took out of that underwriting the
:03:26. > :03:34.McConville family that they have not gone away. They are also saying to
:03:35. > :03:38.the British and Irish government they haven't gone away.
:03:39. > :03:43.What message do you think they were sending you?
:03:44. > :03:48.More or less shut your mouth. Will you?
:03:49. > :03:53.No. Have pushed us into a corner. In the corner where we are at the
:03:54. > :03:57.moment, I will come out fighting. I will defend with every breath I have
:03:58. > :04:02.in my body. Conor Murphy, what do you think
:04:03. > :04:05.Bobby Storey meant, how do you touch are leader? Who does he think is
:04:06. > :04:09.untouchable? I think he was expressing and anger
:04:10. > :04:13.but was felt right across the support base that we have, but
:04:14. > :04:16.broader than that, what we have here is not the fact that everyone is
:04:17. > :04:19.equal before the law, but quite clearly the fact that some people
:04:20. > :04:25.are not equal before the law. I think the arrest of Gerry Adams,
:04:26. > :04:31.given his profile, heightened that very significantly. I think it
:04:32. > :04:37.brought it home in a very start reality to many people that we have,
:04:38. > :04:40.particularly given the juxtaposition of the British Secretary of State's
:04:41. > :04:43.statement which was aware of the impending arrest that it was not in
:04:44. > :04:47.the public interest to pursue certain matters, but it is in the
:04:48. > :04:51.public interest to pursue Gerry Adams.
:04:52. > :04:57.You support his comment, how do you touch a related?
:04:58. > :05:01.I think he was reflecting and anger that there was among people. He is
:05:02. > :05:04.quite an emotive guy, he was in front of an audience and he was
:05:05. > :05:09.reflecting anger that was very widespread among the audience, and
:05:10. > :05:13.widespread among people that we canvassed. Even tonight when I was
:05:14. > :05:18.knocking on doors, and widespread anger that what we have here is a
:05:19. > :05:20.two tier system, a twin track approach to dealing with the legacy
:05:21. > :05:24.issues of the past whereby on the one hand we have issues that are not
:05:25. > :05:29.in the public interest to pursue, we have interest where evidence is
:05:30. > :05:32.maybe there to be followed but is not followed by the police, and on
:05:33. > :05:38.the other hand everyone should be equal before the law.
:05:39. > :05:43.Who has not gone away? That phrase has been used and reused
:05:44. > :05:47.in comedy sketches 1000 times since Gerry Adams said it in a thousand
:05:48. > :05:54.different contexts. It wasn't really a comedy time when
:05:55. > :05:58.Bobby Storey said that. You will see the interview later in
:05:59. > :06:03.this programme. There was an interview we were about to broadcast
:06:04. > :06:09.on the show in a few moments time. Michael McConville interpreted it as
:06:10. > :06:13.a threat to him. That's fair enough, he can
:06:14. > :06:17.interpreted to. That phrase has almost become a catchphrase. Bobby
:06:18. > :06:21.Storey is the chairperson of Sinn Fein in the North. He was speaking
:06:22. > :06:28.on a platform in that role. He was speaking in the context of people
:06:29. > :06:32.felt there was an intervention in the process around the time of Gerry
:06:33. > :06:38.Adams's arrest, and quite before anybody listening, that was the
:06:39. > :06:42.reference he was making. I think we've got to look back on
:06:43. > :06:46.the context. It is only a couple of years ago since Martin McGuinness
:06:47. > :06:50.went on a foray to the Republic to try to pursue presidential
:06:51. > :06:54.ambitions. What he found them was the media in the Republic, unlike
:06:55. > :06:57.the media in Northern Ireland did not let him away with it. They
:06:58. > :07:01.pursued him relentlessly about his past. Of course we know what
:07:02. > :07:06.happened there. I will point out that Mr Adams was
:07:07. > :07:08.brought into a police station and subsequently released and he is an
:07:09. > :07:14.innocent man as we sit here tonight. Released without charge.
:07:15. > :07:16.As things stand, that's right. Martin McGuinness did that. What
:07:17. > :07:21.happened in the past couple of months is that Sinn Fein appear to
:07:22. > :07:25.have taken a calculator gamble by saying, as Gerry Adams did, let's
:07:26. > :07:29.get this out of the way. Let's get out there and say, I am prepared to
:07:30. > :07:33.be interviewed about the Jean McConville killing Thomas hoping it
:07:34. > :07:38.would be one hour in and one or out, and when did not happen the police
:07:39. > :07:41.said we do have something to talk to you about in question you about
:07:42. > :07:48.Thomas and as the days went on we saw Sinn Fein not doing what they
:07:49. > :07:51.recommend to everyone else. Whenever Conor Murphy has people who come to
:07:52. > :07:56.them who have been arrested wrongly feel we have been badly treated by
:07:57. > :07:58.the police, they say, go to the policing on Woodman, go to the
:07:59. > :08:03.policing board, go to the Justice committee. And that is not good
:08:04. > :08:07.enough for Gerry Adams. When he gets arrested you through the rattle out
:08:08. > :08:11.of the pram and save the whole thing is coming down unless he gets out.
:08:12. > :08:15.That is the nub of what Sinn Fein did when Gerry Adams was arrested
:08:16. > :08:21.because Martin McGuinness. We were accused of forming Downing
:08:22. > :08:25.Street. We are entitled to hold police to account, as the DUP do
:08:26. > :08:29.when they criticise the police, we are entitled and we see things
:08:30. > :08:32.happening, I would not have the situation of everyone being equal
:08:33. > :08:37.before the law, we are entitled to challenge that. That is not just a
:08:38. > :08:46.feeling for a policeman stop someone at a checkpoint. It's not just that
:08:47. > :08:51.situation where there is a Barney. This is a very serious issue about a
:08:52. > :08:57.legacy issue. We quite clearly have a different approach. This is borne
:08:58. > :09:00.out by the criticism of the senior coroner the other day when he
:09:01. > :09:06.threatened to take the Chief Constable to court. This is borne
:09:07. > :09:09.out by the judge who said that the British have frustrated enquiries.
:09:10. > :09:13.We are dealing with a twin track approach.
:09:14. > :09:19.Even Gerry Adams should be exempt from questioning about a murder?
:09:20. > :09:24.Gerry Adams himself has said, and I support him in this, that the police
:09:25. > :09:27.are entitled to arrest them if they wish, but what I'm saying to you is
:09:28. > :09:31.the principle of everyone being equal before the law, that principle
:09:32. > :09:34.does not apply here and that is a difficulty that we have to deal
:09:35. > :09:37.with. That is difficult to you and your party walked away with at the
:09:38. > :09:41.end of the last process and we need to deal with that.
:09:42. > :09:44.Sinn Fein seem to think that their leader is different and above
:09:45. > :09:51.everyone else. Our leader has clearly said what he
:09:52. > :10:00.feels about that. There is no difference between the
:10:01. > :10:06.leader and the party. If the police wanted to arrest him they were
:10:07. > :10:12.entitled to arrest. It is not conducive to victims or
:10:13. > :10:19.justice. When is the SDLP stand on this?
:10:20. > :10:22.We stand with the victims, the family of Jean McConville. We have
:10:23. > :10:31.to remember the family, that is what this is about. We should focus on
:10:32. > :10:34.justice for the McConnell family rather than trying to make a victim
:10:35. > :10:36.out of Gerry Adams. It is unfortunate that Sinn Fein has
:10:37. > :10:44.aligned itself with the Secretary of State.
:10:45. > :10:47.Gerry Adams is as entitled not just on a presumption of innocence but is
:10:48. > :10:52.entitled to human rights as much as anybody else.
:10:53. > :10:54.Absolutely, and I think Gerry Adams offered to make himself available to
:10:55. > :11:06.the police, the police to come up on that offer. What did you make of the
:11:07. > :11:11.story comments. From the age of 11 years when he was
:11:12. > :11:15.kidnapped and tortured, I ran the time of his mother 's abduction and
:11:16. > :11:18.warned not to tell, and in recent days he said he is not given the
:11:19. > :11:21.names because of that fear, I think the threats from Bobby Storey were
:11:22. > :11:27.threats that frightened many people. I have been canvassing all
:11:28. > :11:32.day and the issue on the doorsteps is not Gerry Adams, it is about the
:11:33. > :11:38.health service, jobs for young people, roads and housing
:11:39. > :11:44.conditions. It is not Gerry Adams. It is very much with the McConville
:11:45. > :11:47.family. Mike Nesbitt, do you think Gerry Adams had been charged Sinn
:11:48. > :11:52.Fein would have withdrawn their support for leasing?
:11:53. > :12:03.-- withdrawn their support for police?
:12:04. > :12:08.I cannot say. But the specifics, we had a sequence, and the sequence was
:12:09. > :12:13.started by Gerry Adams. The first thing, Gerry Adams said he would
:12:14. > :12:16.voluntarily speak to the police. The police, having considered it said we
:12:17. > :12:23.will take you up on that offer. 13, Sinn Fein went nuts and crossed the
:12:24. > :12:25.line. Martin McGuinness crossed the line and said they might have to
:12:26. > :12:30.reconsider their support for the police. That is very different from
:12:31. > :12:33.criticising the police, anybody is able to criticise the police and we
:12:34. > :12:39.have structures, we have the Omudsman and the policing board. But
:12:40. > :12:45.there are basic principles. Nobody is above the law, and the police are
:12:46. > :12:49.operationally independent and can be challenged at the policing board.
:12:50. > :12:54.You said Martin McGuinness said he would review the situation. What
:12:55. > :13:00.situation was he reviewing it wasn't Sinn Fein's support for policing?
:13:01. > :13:05.That is not what he said at all that is your interpretation. He talked
:13:06. > :13:10.about our struggle with lis policing with shoring up as we see
:13:11. > :13:16.progressive forces within policing. The phrases from the "dark side" of
:13:17. > :13:19.policing came from the - Who said it? We had private conversations
:13:20. > :13:23.with police, as you do, all the time. We know what we are facing in
:13:24. > :13:28.relation to policing. He said we would review how we approach that.
:13:29. > :13:31.That is not to say that we were walking away from policing at all.
:13:32. > :13:41.It was to say we would redouble our toefrts make sure we get a proper
:13:42. > :13:44.accountable policing service. If they are working against the will of
:13:45. > :13:49.the people freely expressed in the referendum of 1998. That will make
:13:50. > :13:52.it is an incredibly serious matter. It's out of order for a man like
:13:53. > :13:58.Martin McGuinness, the Deputy First Minister, not to bring it to the
:13:59. > :14:05.party leaders. Not to take it to the Policing Board and make an issue of
:14:06. > :14:11.it. He is making a statement on the post-Hass. I will go to other
:14:12. > :14:13.meetings. I hear the crunch of reverse gears since Martin
:14:14. > :14:17.McGuinness made that statement. You are trying to cover your tracks. If
:14:18. > :14:21.there is a cabal, let's deal with it. I don't believe there is, you
:14:22. > :14:26.haven't produced evidence. The guy here. Martin McGuinness stated
:14:27. > :14:31.clearly that he would review the position of Sinn Fein had Gerry
:14:32. > :14:36.Adams been charged. Now, are we living - He didn't use those words.
:14:37. > :14:42.He said he would review the position on policing. Review the situation.
:14:43. > :14:47.Where policing was concerned. He used the words "interpret it as you
:14:48. > :14:51.like." Are we living if a society now in Northern Ireland where those
:14:52. > :14:55.in a perceived privileged position are against being either charged by
:14:56. > :14:58.the police, questioned by the police or prosecuted? What sort of society
:14:59. > :15:05.are we living in when there is one rule for one, and a rule for others?
:15:06. > :15:10.Previously there has been hundreds, maybe thousands, of young lads who
:15:11. > :15:14.can't get jobs in this society because they have got a criminal
:15:15. > :15:19.record. Because of the flag situation. Does that mean that
:15:20. > :15:24.people like Gerry Adams cannot be charged or questioned by the police?
:15:25. > :15:28.He is entitled to be questioned by the police. Stephen Farry, how did
:15:29. > :15:32.you interpret it? There has been rhetoric from both Sinn Fein and the
:15:33. > :15:36.DUP and others over the past number of months. We simply can't go on
:15:37. > :15:42.like this. The peace process is strong, but it's not that strong
:15:43. > :15:47.that the constant crisis won't eventually bring it down. We need a
:15:48. > :15:51.renewed sense of political purpose across the parties. There was a
:15:52. > :15:55.threat, whether it was followed through remains a hypothetical
:15:56. > :15:58.situation. We have, I think, one of the most professional and
:15:59. > :16:01.accountable police services in the world. The operational independence
:16:02. > :16:06.is a cornerstone of the devolution of policing of justice. Let me
:16:07. > :16:10.stress to Mike, if we didn't have the devolution of policing of
:16:11. > :16:12.justice, which is working, power would be in the hands of the British
:16:13. > :16:17.government we know what they did over the issues of OTRs we are et
:16:18. > :16:23.abouter with policing and justice devolved. I remind ed you of this on
:16:24. > :16:27.the radio show, you don't support the police all the time. In terms of
:16:28. > :16:32.Sinn Fein accusing the police of engaging inle political policing.
:16:33. > :16:36.Your colleague, Ruth Paterson, who accused the police of political
:16:37. > :16:38.policing about a year ago? Is Yes. The police, as I said to you on the
:16:39. > :16:41.policing about a year ago? Is Yes. radio programme, happy to say again
:16:42. > :16:47.tonight, the police make mistakes. We make mistakes. Everybody makes
:16:48. > :16:52.mistakes. The BBC makes mistakes. The issue here is, I raised it with
:16:53. > :16:56.Conor Murphy. When mistakes are made, perceived or real by the
:16:57. > :16:58.police, whether they exceed their authority or arrest someone or
:16:59. > :17:03.question them for a period of hours, days or weeks, whatever it is, there
:17:04. > :17:07.is a process that all of us agree has to be undertaken. So if I'm
:17:08. > :17:11.taken in, my party knows what to do. They go to the Chief Constable, they
:17:12. > :17:15.go to the Policing Board, go to the policing ombudsman. There is a
:17:16. > :17:19.series of avenues to go down to get satisfaction. Sinn Fein signed up to
:17:20. > :17:23.those avenues, signed up to the Policing Board and the Omar budsman.
:17:24. > :17:28.When it comes to Gerry Adams being arrested it doesn't matter about the
:17:29. > :17:31.Policing Board orlet ombudsman, sod that - we will throw the whole thing
:17:32. > :17:36.out of the pram. When it suited the DUP last year, all of a sudden the
:17:37. > :17:41.Police Service were involved in political policing? No. All of a
:17:42. > :17:48.sudden. That is not a mistake. That is one of your people accusing and
:17:49. > :17:51.smearing the PSNI when it suited the DUP When anything happened in
:17:52. > :17:54.relation to the flag process due process was followed. If we had a
:17:55. > :17:58.complaint we tabled it at the local police station. Went to the Chief
:17:59. > :18:01.Constable. Raised it at the Policing Board or the ombudsman. Those are
:18:02. > :18:03.the proper procedures to adopt if you have a complaint - that is what
:18:04. > :18:06.Sinn Fein could have done with Gerry Sinn Fein could have done withGerry
:18:07. > :18:14.Gerry Adams. Back over the years with you lot. I looked at it. 1974,
:18:15. > :18:17.after being evicted from Stormont, Paisley said, "from this moment on
:18:18. > :18:21.loyalists would have no time what so ever from the RUC" that was
:18:22. > :18:29.interesting? How long ago was that. You can count? 40 years ago. 86. A
:18:30. > :18:32.public order thing. 86 Paisley told police officers, "don't come crying
:18:33. > :18:38.to me if your homes are attacked, you will reap what you sow." I don't
:18:39. > :18:44.know the relevance of it. You don't? Is All of us around this table
:18:45. > :18:48.signed up to the ombudsman, the Policing Board, the Assembly as
:18:49. > :18:51.means where by we can get redress. If I have someone that gets charged,
:18:52. > :18:54.if I have someone who has a complaint against the police, we all
:18:55. > :19:00.know what we have to do. Sinn Fein know what is they have to do. If a
:19:01. > :19:04.young nationalist walks in from the Falls Road saying, I have been
:19:05. > :19:07.questioned by the police. Sinn Fein escorts them down to the ombudsman,
:19:08. > :19:11.not good enough for Gerry Adams. Gerry Adams has always denied
:19:12. > :19:15.involvement in the murder of Jean McConville. The 36-year-old widowed
:19:16. > :19:20.mother of ten was kidnapped and murdered by the IRA in 1972. Today,
:19:21. > :19:27.her family gathered to mark what would have been her 80th birthday.
:19:28. > :19:34.I have been speaking to her son, Michael, whose last memory is of his
:19:35. > :19:42.mother being dragged from their West Belfast home. I was holding her. I
:19:43. > :19:47.was crying. My older brother was crying and my older sisters were
:19:48. > :19:53.crying. We were holding onto her. We didn't want to let her go. We tried
:19:54. > :20:01.our best not to let her go. The last image I have of my mother is my
:20:02. > :20:06.mother leaving the flat with two people, holding her arms, pulling
:20:07. > :20:10.her out the door. Her crying and screaming. The tears were running
:20:11. > :20:19.down her face. I remember her turning round when she went out the
:20:20. > :20:25.door and just looking back. Oh... These images never leave you. It's
:20:26. > :20:31.terrible to have these images as the last images that we have of our
:20:32. > :20:36.mother. It's just devastating. Waiting for our mother to come home.
:20:37. > :20:40.Days have went past. No sign of our mother. No sign of anyone to come
:20:41. > :20:44.and explain to us. I was going down to see my grandmother. My
:20:45. > :20:50.grandmother was partially blind. I was going to see her. I was walking
:20:51. > :20:54.down and the IRA controlled the Divis Flats so there were no lights
:20:55. > :20:58.on the Divis Flats. The place was black. It was always that way, so it
:20:59. > :21:03.was. You are walking down with just whatever light was from the sky. The
:21:04. > :21:09.the next thing I seen shadows and people grabbed hold of me. Now, they
:21:10. > :21:19.put a hood over my head. How old were you? 11 years of age. These
:21:20. > :21:26.people grabbed the hold of me, stuck the hood over my head and, when they
:21:27. > :21:32.pulled the hood down over my head there was the sleeve of a woolly
:21:33. > :21:38.jumper. I could see through it. I could see where I was going and the
:21:39. > :21:42.people who had me. You saw their faces? Yeah. You know them? I know
:21:43. > :21:48.them. They lived in your area are? They lived in my area. I told Gerry
:21:49. > :21:52.Adams their names. They took me to a house, a short distance from the
:21:53. > :22:02.Divis Flats area. Now, they tied me to a chair. As an 11-year-old child?
:22:03. > :22:06.Yeah. That is a brave. Soldiers tying an 11-year-old child o to a
:22:07. > :22:13.chair. They had me tied to a chair and a gun stuck to my face. They
:22:14. > :22:19.told me that they were going to shoot me. She stuck a pen knife in
:22:20. > :22:24.my leg. I could feel the blood running down my leg and running into
:22:25. > :22:28.my sock. I kept saying, "I'm bleeding" they didn't care. They
:22:29. > :22:32.kept hitting me. They turned around and said, "we're going to let you
:22:33. > :22:36.go." They untied me and kept the hood on my head. Brought me back to
:22:37. > :22:40.the stairwell at Divis Flats and they let me go. They turned around
:22:41. > :22:43.and told me, "if you say anything about any member of the IRA, we will
:22:44. > :22:47.shoot you or else one of your members of your family." There was
:22:48. > :22:52.one person at all-time doing the talking. Do you know him? I do know
:22:53. > :22:59.him. Is he still alive? He is still alive, yeah. Yes. Would the public
:23:00. > :23:02.recognise his name? He would be well-known in the republican
:23:03. > :23:07.circles, so he would. Michael, I want to go back to after your mum's
:23:08. > :23:12.disappearance and just show you some of this footage of you and your
:23:13. > :23:15.brothers and sisters being interviewed about your mum's
:23:16. > :23:25.disappearance. Just have a look at this. Do you know why your mummy was
:23:26. > :23:31.taken away? No. She has never done anything. She never done anything?
:23:32. > :23:37.No. I was in the house. She just went to bingo. When do you think you
:23:38. > :23:39.will see your mummy again? I don't know. We keep our fingers crossed
:23:40. > :23:55.and pray hard for her to come back. I would have to say, at this minute,
:23:56. > :24:03.just watching that there, that people came to our house that night
:24:04. > :24:08.knew that my father had died on 3rd January that year. They also knew
:24:09. > :24:13.that my father had no brothers or sisters. He was the only child of
:24:14. > :24:19.the family. They also knew when they took our mother away that we would
:24:20. > :24:26.be left orphans. So all what you hear in the media about the members
:24:27. > :24:31.of Sinn Fein saying about McConville family, it was terrible the way they
:24:32. > :24:41.were left as kids. No-one came to our door. Over the Christmas period
:24:42. > :24:45.or anything else. My mother was devastated what happened to my
:24:46. > :24:49.father, but there wasn't one toy in the house at that time for us. And,
:24:50. > :24:58.that would have been the first Christmas that I could ever remember
:24:59. > :25:03.as a child, never having a toy. You like young children to grow up with
:25:04. > :25:08.the thing about Santa clause and everything else -- Santa Claus and
:25:09. > :25:12.everything else. The two younger brothers, six years of age, this was
:25:13. > :25:17.all took away from them. My younger sister of seven, took away frommer
:25:18. > :25:23.had. The younger brother at eight, took away from them. At least I had
:25:24. > :25:27.some of the things that they never ever. We thought for a long time my
:25:28. > :25:31.mother was coming back. When the IRA came back to our house that time
:25:32. > :25:41.there was one of them, he had my mother's purse and her wedding
:25:42. > :25:45.rings. I knew, I was only 11 years of age, when they brought these back
:25:46. > :25:49.that it was telling us that your mother was dead. When the welfare
:25:50. > :25:56.came and took us away and promised they would keep us together, the
:25:57. > :26:02.welfare took the last thing what we had of each other away. They
:26:03. > :26:09.separated us into different homes, all around the place. We grew up not
:26:10. > :26:13.knowing each other. So why not name these people who took your mum away?
:26:14. > :26:19.The reason why I'm not naming them, I have a son of 29 years of age. He
:26:20. > :26:26.has children of his own. I have a daughter at 25 years of age. Who is
:26:27. > :26:30.at university. I also have a daughter at 20 years of age. I have
:26:31. > :26:34.a child at eight-year-old. You really think that if you name these
:26:35. > :26:39.people you really think, either you or one of your family will be
:26:40. > :26:46.attacked and or killed? Gerry Adams told me at one of the meetings, that
:26:47. > :26:52.I told them I would release the names to the media. He turned ruined
:26:53. > :26:59.said to me, "Michael, republican people are behind you. But you have
:27:00. > :27:05.to watch. I hope you and your family is ready for the backlash." He says
:27:06. > :27:09.he has no recollection of that. He denied saying that to you? He has
:27:10. > :27:13.denied saying it. Are you telling me the truth? I'm telling you the
:27:14. > :27:19.truth. If there is a test to take with a lie detector test, I'll take
:27:20. > :27:22.it. Will Gerry Adams get on the same lie detector test and take it as
:27:23. > :27:24.well? I would be quite willing to do that. I would be quite willing to do
:27:25. > :27:35.that in any studio. He is the public face of Gerry Adams
:27:36. > :27:42.at the press conference. We can not bring Mrs McConville back
:27:43. > :27:49.but we can help the family in any way that is possible. I regret very
:27:50. > :27:55.much what happened. We are in a better place. Michael McConnell
:27:56. > :28:00.knows that. He has children and he wants them to grow up in a better
:28:01. > :28:06.place. All of us together can do that. Martin McGuinness has spoken
:28:07. > :28:11.about this at length, some of the victims of the conflict have been
:28:12. > :28:17.the strongest supporters of the peace process.
:28:18. > :28:25.He says in the statement that he is wanting to help the family. Gerry
:28:26. > :28:31.Adams, if you want to help the McConville family, why is he not
:28:32. > :28:35.giving the names to the police? You think Gerry Adams ordered the
:28:36. > :28:38.death of your mother? I don't know what role Gerry Adams
:28:39. > :28:52.had to play in it, but according to tapes I have listened to, according
:28:53. > :28:58.to interviews, Gerry Adams was the CEO. He would give the order.
:28:59. > :29:04.Gerry Adams would say that those people are critics of his, opponents
:29:05. > :29:08.of his, and have a vested interest in trying to smear him. You would
:29:09. > :29:13.say it is completely untrue. Michael, you have no concrete
:29:14. > :29:18.evidence against Gerry Adams. Maybe, just maybe, you are smearing him
:29:19. > :29:24.unfairly. I have not smeared Gerry Adams at
:29:25. > :29:32.all. I'm only using other people's words. I have seen Gerry Adams at
:29:33. > :29:41.rallies, I have seen Gerry Adams at IRA funerals. I know personally
:29:42. > :29:50.speaking if you are beside the Coughlan of an IRA man wearing their
:29:51. > :29:56.clothing, you have to be part of the organisation.
:29:57. > :30:02.It was a very astute, confident, some discredit as statesman-like
:30:03. > :30:08.delivery by Gerry Adams at a press conference.
:30:09. > :30:28.Yes. I found some of his words that he was using patronising. Towards
:30:29. > :30:32.the McConville family. We now but the language that Gerry Adams was
:30:33. > :30:44.using was not to be used. What you mean?
:30:45. > :30:54.He was trying to soft soap was. If the try to tell to the public
:30:55. > :30:57.that my mother was an informant. If you could have either truth or
:30:58. > :31:09.justice? I would go for truth. Tell the truth
:31:10. > :31:13.about it. Once those people go on and say they murdered Jean
:31:14. > :31:19.McConville, they are named and shamed, that is all the McConville
:31:20. > :31:27.family once. Whatever going to get? Two years. You would like her death
:31:28. > :31:33.investigated as a war crime? In the 1970s and 80s they were
:31:34. > :31:42.searching for Nazis all around the world that committed war crimes.
:31:43. > :31:47.Today I am pushing it for a war crime because they took my mother
:31:48. > :31:56.away from us. They had her for six or seven days. The dog hole, they
:31:57. > :32:03.had her hands tied behind her back and they shot her in the back of the
:32:04. > :32:06.head. Secretly buried her, got her body back years later. If that is
:32:07. > :32:10.not a war crime, what is? What is the difference between my mother's
:32:11. > :32:15.case and cases all over Europe that took place with the Germans?
:32:16. > :32:23.Are you likening the IRA to the Nazis? It looks that way.
:32:24. > :32:28.How do you feel, Conor Murphy, watching that man?
:32:29. > :32:33.I feel extremely sorry for him. I'm not sure there are any words I can
:32:34. > :32:37.say that have an impact on the McConville family. The Republicans
:32:38. > :32:41.have said that what was inflicted on them was a grievous injustice by
:32:42. > :32:44.Republicans. Do you think the killers should be
:32:45. > :32:49.named and shamed? I understand that Michael McConnell
:32:50. > :32:54.has said that he has some fear, and his sister he said that she has
:32:55. > :33:00.passed the names onto the police. We have said that the family should be
:33:01. > :33:04.free to pursue any form of justice but they want to pursue. We should
:33:05. > :33:08.be free from any fear in doing that and that should be the case.
:33:09. > :33:13.Do you think the killers should be named and shamed?
:33:14. > :33:18.If the family want to pursue justice they should be free to do so.
:33:19. > :33:23.Do I think people should be named and shamed? I know this is the sort
:33:24. > :33:29.of show you do. I'm not talking about just naming
:33:30. > :33:32.and shaming, I'm talking about a truth process in the context of what
:33:33. > :33:35.Michael has set. He wants the killers of his mother to be in the
:33:36. > :33:38.public domain. Would you support that?
:33:39. > :33:42.The only party that brought forth for positions for a truth process
:33:43. > :33:48.was Sinn Fein. That is absolutely not true.
:33:49. > :33:55.That is now supported as part of the process by the other parties and I'm
:33:56. > :33:59.glad of that. The exploits officers Association is lobbying MPs to stop
:34:00. > :34:04.enquiries happening. We do not want a truth process. Sinn Fein has
:34:05. > :34:09.advocated a truth process. I'm in favour of victims getting access to
:34:10. > :34:14.truth, I'm in favour of a victim centred process of dealing with the
:34:15. > :34:19.legacy from the past. Are you in favour of an amnesty to
:34:20. > :34:23.get to the truth? Would Sinn Fein favour an amnesty?
:34:24. > :34:29.We understand that certain victims would not accept that. We did
:34:30. > :34:33.agree, the propositions that we agreed to, there was a process for
:34:34. > :34:36.truth and another process for people who wanted to pursue issues of
:34:37. > :34:43.justice. That was in the Haass talks.
:34:44. > :34:48.When Gerry Adams was arrested and was a different entitlement to truth
:34:49. > :35:00.and justice, was in their? What we said clearly, and I need to
:35:01. > :35:02.finish this, as we saw at, there were people in the police that are
:35:03. > :35:10.operating on a two tiered level where they are not pursuing...
:35:11. > :35:24.We dealt with this at the start of the programme.
:35:25. > :35:27.There is iterative approach. If the state says it is not in the interest
:35:28. > :35:32.to pursue certain matters and not others?
:35:33. > :35:34.I think we already know there is a team of detectives working in
:35:35. > :35:39.relation to the murders on bloody Sunday. It is only two weeks ago
:35:40. > :35:44.that the Secretary of State denied to the victims of Barry Murphy
:35:45. > :35:49.entitling them to truth and justice. Sinn Fein through Gerry
:35:50. > :35:52.Adams and Martin McGuinness are saying that victims such as the
:35:53. > :36:00.McConville family are entitled to that truth and justice because of
:36:01. > :36:03.who it might lead to. What has troubled Sinn Fein more is that we
:36:04. > :36:07.have been reminded of the dark side of many of the leading members of
:36:08. > :36:13.Sinn Fein last few days and that is what has troubled them a lot more.
:36:14. > :36:17.There is a dark side on all sides, isn't their?
:36:18. > :36:22.But not in all political parties, Stephen.
:36:23. > :36:36.In the second row, your dad was killed in the massacre. If we were
:36:37. > :36:44.looking at a situation where you could either get truth or Justice,
:36:45. > :36:49.which would it be? Why not both? Everybody is entitled
:36:50. > :36:57.to it. Up until this day there's never been any investigation into
:36:58. > :37:00.the murders. Because it might require an
:37:01. > :37:11.amnesty. Why would it require an amnesty?
:37:12. > :37:16.Wide when the truth is their? Nobody is above the law. That is where it
:37:17. > :37:26.stands. There is evidence that paratroopers murdered 11 people, why
:37:27. > :37:34.not pursue it? Why not all politicians, why not pursue it? If
:37:35. > :37:43.there is evidence a case can be put forward. Why are the shying away
:37:44. > :37:49.from what has happened in the past? Statistics show that there is over
:37:50. > :37:55.1200 people murdered by state forces. There is a myth that the
:37:56. > :38:00.state is involved in only 10%. When you have Loyalist paramilitaries run
:38:01. > :38:10.by British state and intelligence goes to 40%. Through that 10% out.
:38:11. > :38:19.It is a myth. Pro state forces were body of 40%.
:38:20. > :38:24.John, your dad was killed by the IRA. If it was truth or justice,
:38:25. > :38:28.which would be? To be honest with you, I would take
:38:29. > :38:40.off. But you take what you get. When all is said and done, truth? Whose
:38:41. > :38:43.truth is it? There are records kept with the state. The provisional IRA
:38:44. > :38:58.kept no records. The day after my father was shot, a bomb went off.
:38:59. > :39:05.Young girl of 11 years of age was killed. 11. She hadn't even reached
:39:06. > :39:13.puberty. She was killed. No one was God for that, or my father.
:39:14. > :39:18.This is the point, isn't it? All these years later, if it came down
:39:19. > :39:20.to people telling the truth, you would understand and get the
:39:21. > :39:28.information about who killed your dad, but in order to do that you had
:39:29. > :39:31.to ruling quashed justice. Gerry Adams would even come out with
:39:32. > :39:36.the truth that he was in the provisional IRA.
:39:37. > :39:41.He denies he was in the IRA. My father was in uniform for 42 years
:39:42. > :39:45.of his life and he was proud of the fact.
:39:46. > :40:01.Gerry Adams walked beside a cotton in IRA uniform -- what beside a
:40:02. > :40:09.cotton. -- walked beside a cotton. Patricia Macbride, former Victims'
:40:10. > :40:18.Commissioner. A lack of political will in this country was criticised
:40:19. > :40:21.to bring a solution to the past. You are one of the politicians, if there
:40:22. > :40:26.was lack of political will, you are included.
:40:27. > :40:34.It is a pity that Shaun Woodward when he had they opportunity to
:40:35. > :40:38.implement the conclusions of the report did not do anything about it
:40:39. > :40:43.as now calling for a referendum. I was heartened to hear a statement
:40:44. > :40:46.this week that the Irish and British governments need to re-engage with
:40:47. > :40:52.parties here in finding a solution in dealing with the past. That will
:40:53. > :40:55.be the key to that. The governments cannot abdicate their
:40:56. > :41:00.responsibility. Lets not forget that they are also actors in this
:41:01. > :41:05.conflict. They need to step in and make a deal with parties year, with
:41:06. > :41:11.civic society, about how we will address the legacy of the conflict.
:41:12. > :41:15.Stephen made a point about their being no evidence of a two tier
:41:16. > :41:20.system. There actually is evidence of that. If you look at the HM IC
:41:21. > :41:24.report about how the Royal military police investigations were done,
:41:25. > :41:27.these are members of the security forces who were given special
:41:28. > :41:32.privileges before they were interviewed about conflict related
:41:33. > :41:36.deaths. Those privileges are not extended to members of the civilian
:41:37. > :41:41.population. What we'd stick away from this tonight, looking at the
:41:42. > :41:46.interview, is the heart and pain in that family. It is the heart and
:41:47. > :41:49.pain in other families last week who wrote told that investigations into
:41:50. > :41:54.the deaths of their loved ones were not in the public interest. That is
:41:55. > :41:59.the responsibility of this panel and this audience to address that hard
:42:00. > :42:03.and pain. Mike Nesbitt, will you politicians
:42:04. > :42:07.ever sort this out? I do not know, that is the honest
:42:08. > :42:11.answer. We have gone for the highest tariffs of all the needs of
:42:12. > :42:14.victims, which is truth, justice and acknowledgement. If you look at the
:42:15. > :42:18.work that has been done in the commission since Patricia and I were
:42:19. > :42:24.there, we have produced a list of seven needs, defined areas,
:42:25. > :42:27.including several hundred people who carry very serious physical injury.
:42:28. > :42:32.We could do something for them around this table. They would like a
:42:33. > :42:36.pension is the compensation was based on the fact they would not be
:42:37. > :42:40.alive today. We can do something about the very serious level of
:42:41. > :42:44.mental health and well-being, not just amongst individuals and
:42:45. > :42:54.families or communities. You are holding back Hass. Yes you
:42:55. > :43:00.are. You said no to it. We said no to it. At the last-minute you turned
:43:01. > :43:06.away. We are not signing up to Haass. That is clear. I sat through
:43:07. > :43:11.Haass. As you did, Dolores, and the party leaders - excuse me. The party
:43:12. > :43:16.leaders there after. Sitting at the right hand of Martin McGuinness was
:43:17. > :43:20.Sean Murray, a man who, we now hear from a BBC documentary, as the IRA
:43:21. > :43:25.were talking about decommissioning, was ordering up new arms. You are
:43:26. > :43:30.telling me, Stephen Farry, we are better off with the devolution of
:43:31. > :43:34.policing and justice. Absolutely. . I thought you supported - It's not
:43:35. > :43:39.us holding it back. We want to see it happen. First of all, the real
:43:40. > :43:44.crux of what we have to address, in terms of dealing with the past, is
:43:45. > :43:48.truth and justice. That is at the heart of the discussion this evening
:43:49. > :43:51.and from members of the audience. That is where the need lie as the
:43:52. > :43:55.this stage. If any good comes from the events over the last week there
:43:56. > :43:58.should be a renewed impetuous across the political parties, also
:43:59. > :44:04.involving the two governments around all of this. One of the criticism or
:44:05. > :44:07.scepticism around the Haass proposals is whether paramilitaries
:44:08. > :44:12.will come forward and provide the truth. Hopefully the lessons of the
:44:13. > :44:15.last week there is an incentive of people opting into a process of
:44:16. > :44:21.truth telling. If right structures can be put in place and a system of
:44:22. > :44:25.limited immunity. If the victims opt-in, rather than immunity we can
:44:26. > :44:30.make progress. We are out of time on this subject tonight. If you do want
:44:31. > :44:41.to continue to talk about, it we can do so on Twitter. My phone is on the
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:45:11. > :45:17.at your standard message rate. Still to come on the programme. Crystal
:45:18. > :45:29.Swing will be singing live in this studio tonight.
:45:30. > :45:36.Right. Now my next guest has been a feature of our television screens
:45:37. > :45:39.since the 1970s. First with the comedy show The Goodies and in more
:45:40. > :45:45.recent years as the face and voice of the BBC's Springwatch programme.
:45:46. > :45:49.Behind his popular TV persona he was battling his own personal demons.
:45:50. > :46:01.Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome, Bill Oddie. M mitt
:46:02. > :46:07.APPLAUSE Good to see you. Are you well? I'm
:46:08. > :46:13.very well. I'm fine. I know that is not we are here to talk about in a
:46:14. > :46:20.sense. We are here to talk about when I'm not well. I'm fine. I have
:46:21. > :46:24.been for some years. The as is been fairly widely broadcast, at least in
:46:25. > :46:30.the papers in that, I had suffered from very bad depression for about
:46:31. > :46:36.12 years. And, then finally that kind of crystallised itself. Crystal
:46:37. > :46:45.- the name of the band, coming on soon! Crystallised itself into a
:46:46. > :46:51.rediagnosis as being by polar as was manic depressive. In a funny way is
:46:52. > :46:56.a better expression. It's easier to explain what it is. Not that any of
:46:57. > :47:06.this is easy to explain, but, you know. Manic depression. Depression
:47:07. > :47:10.really to recognise when you are really, really down. The manic side
:47:11. > :47:16.of it, it can be very extreme. You can really do yourself a damage by
:47:17. > :47:20.spending your money on some ridiculous campaign or whatever or,
:47:21. > :47:24.you know, feeling you can fly. Things as extreme as that. On the
:47:25. > :47:29.other hand, it can be quite subtle when it's actually quite helpful to
:47:30. > :47:33.a point. When you are manic you tend, you know, you may think, no,
:47:34. > :47:37.there is nothing wrong with me. When you are depressed you know there. Is
:47:38. > :47:40.I cannot exaggerate. I was trying to think what is the most helpful thing
:47:41. > :47:49.I could say about this. I can't exaggerate just how bad that is. I
:47:50. > :47:52.think anybody who has suffered from clinical depression it's not just a
:47:53. > :47:57.matter of - I don't feel very good today. It's a matter of - I cannot
:47:58. > :48:01.move today. I mean, literally, cannot move. It can mean weeks where
:48:02. > :48:06.you can't get out of bed. Your mind is full of blank and black thoughts.
:48:07. > :48:14.Where there seems to be no hope at all. Where the danger rouse time is
:48:15. > :48:18.you reach for the sleeping pills and take too many of those. You did
:48:19. > :48:24.that? Twice. One year about three or four years ago. Although, to be
:48:25. > :48:28.perfectly honest, it didn't make any difference to the effect, if you are
:48:29. > :48:32.unlucky in a sense. It's a matter of wanting to go to sleep. During the
:48:33. > :48:35.day, I'm lying there thinking - I don't know what any of this is
:48:36. > :48:39.about. I can't feel anything. Just take a sleeping pill. Sod it, I'll
:48:40. > :48:44.take some more. Obviously, you will understand why I'm saying this, I
:48:45. > :48:50.would urge you at home not to do that if you are feeling in anyway
:48:51. > :48:55.suicidal, please, please pick up the phone to the likes of the Samaritans
:48:56. > :49:00.to the Lifeline people, we will give out a number. I'm sure the gallery
:49:01. > :49:03.will feed it to me before the end of the programme. We will give out a
:49:04. > :49:08.helpline number if you need some help at home. Part, Bill, when I was
:49:09. > :49:13.reading about you, I was reading about what an extraordinary life you
:49:14. > :49:23.had, right at the very beginning, what hit me You had a mum who you
:49:24. > :49:27.hardly knew I can't recognise that picture that has just gone up. It
:49:28. > :49:31.wouldn't have been me who took it. That is you with your mum? Yes. So I
:49:32. > :49:39.believe. How did you not get to know her? Because, well, basically, my
:49:40. > :49:43.mum was diagnosed as having something wrong. It was, in those
:49:44. > :49:51.days, we are talking about, I was born in 1941, 42/43 when I was one
:49:52. > :49:55.or two she was considered to be dangerous to be at home. Not capable
:49:56. > :50:00.of looking after me or any other baby. You have these had memories of
:50:01. > :50:04.her lashing out, don't you? I do. In a way, I think myself lucky that
:50:05. > :50:09.I've only got two or three memories. They aren't very nice really. They
:50:10. > :50:14.are like flashbacks in a movie. I have a picture of her being dragged
:50:15. > :50:17.off into, what I realise was an ambulance or a police car and
:50:18. > :50:21.something like that, taken back to what, in those days, would have been
:50:22. > :50:25.called, you know, I don't know, loony bin, mental home. Something
:50:26. > :50:30.ridiculous. She was there for a very long time. I didn't know her at all.
:50:31. > :50:40.You had no - I'm thinking of my mum now, you had no childhood memories
:50:41. > :50:44.of getting a hug from your mum. Hush ush aring home in school. There for
:50:45. > :50:51.you. Telling you she loves you every day? Is that what they do? God! No.
:50:52. > :50:58.No. Absolutely. You're right. All I can say is that, I think, probably
:50:59. > :51:02.youngsters in particular have a way of not missing things. If you
:51:03. > :51:06.haven't had it, you don't miss. It as far as I was concerned, it was
:51:07. > :51:13.perfectly normal that I was being brought up by my dad and his mother,
:51:14. > :51:20.my granny, who frankly I haven't got very nice memories of. She was a
:51:21. > :51:24.tough little piece of work. When I look back at those days. It was only
:51:25. > :51:29.later on. I don't remember going round to someone us a house saying -
:51:30. > :51:35.what is that nice cuddly lady over there. That is my mum. I haven't got
:51:36. > :51:38.one of those! One of the saddest things someone sitting in that
:51:39. > :51:45.interview chair said, it has been tonight a few seconds ago, "is that
:51:46. > :51:50.what mums do? Do mums love you?" Do you think that has mess you up? Had
:51:51. > :51:56.an affect on you now that you looked back, that you had a mum and weren't
:51:57. > :52:03.loved by her? Well, the psychiatrist or therapist who I got sort of sent
:52:04. > :52:07.to for about five or ten years, some years ago, within the last ten
:52:08. > :52:11.years, five years back, of course loved that. There is nothing than a
:52:12. > :52:14.therapist likes better than to hear you have had a lousy childhood and
:52:15. > :52:18.your mother mistreated you or gone away. They love that one. Ha is
:52:19. > :52:23.great. Oh, that is it then. Now we know what it is. You know, now I
:52:24. > :52:29.will spend five years curing you of that. Possibly not. We will just
:52:30. > :52:34.talk. It will cost you ?60 an hour! I wish I weren't entirely joking,
:52:35. > :52:39.I'm not, I'm afraid. When I look back on that period, are you going
:52:40. > :52:44.into therapy, I have thought several times - my God I was manipulated
:52:45. > :52:50.there. I don't know. All I do know is, maybe this is a good affect,
:52:51. > :52:57.that throughout my life I actually enjoyed a company of women, not
:52:58. > :53:00.Lesley Morley women, but women in general and, you know, I have been
:53:01. > :53:04.fortunate enough to be married to a couple of remarkable women and so on
:53:05. > :53:09.and so forth. A what makes you happy then? Let's not talk about -
:53:10. > :53:13.Chatting to interesting people, actually. It does. That is quite
:53:14. > :53:18.true. This is actually quite recent for me. I can did have a reputation
:53:19. > :53:23.through life of being grumpy and bad tempered and various other things.
:53:24. > :53:26.Looking back I think that was a mild form of the mania, which I wasn't
:53:27. > :53:30.recognising until relatively recently. What I've enjoyed most
:53:31. > :53:36.over the last couple of years, when I have been doing far less
:53:37. > :53:39.television, I have been involved more in conservation work all over
:53:40. > :53:44.the world and the people I meet doing that kind of work are great.
:53:45. > :53:47.And the people I've met doing mental health work. Do you like coming to
:53:48. > :53:51.Northern Ireland? Of course I do. I love coming here. I have been here
:53:52. > :53:55.several times. I'm usually in search of wildlife. I will tell you
:53:56. > :53:59.something, I always see something new. Every time I come here. It
:54:00. > :54:08.happened today. It happened today. Saw something new today here!
:54:09. > :54:16.Something I've never seen. I am just about to enter the lair of a species
:54:17. > :54:21.closely related to man and yet is instinctually different. It is of
:54:22. > :54:26.course the presenter. One particularly rare and particularly
:54:27. > :54:33.chummy specium is indigenous to Northern Ireland. It's the lesser
:54:34. > :54:37.spot ed, Nolan. The Nolan has a reputation for being temp are mental
:54:38. > :54:41.and grumpy. Right, John, listen. Don't ever phone this programme
:54:42. > :54:45.again. The rest of the pack keep their distance. Every now and again
:54:46. > :54:51.will is someone with a distinctive cry are. Come in here. The weaker
:54:52. > :54:58.pack member slowly makes his advance careful not to make any sudden moves
:54:59. > :55:01.which could upset the Nolan. Arrrgh! The Nolan is determined to assert
:55:02. > :55:05.his authority over the herd and cement his position as leader of the
:55:06. > :55:09.pack. He does this through open acts of aggression towards anyone or
:55:10. > :55:18.anything who strays too close to his territory. The Nolan's hunting
:55:19. > :55:30.instincts have been dogged by captivity he snacks on snack bars.
:55:31. > :55:34.The consequences are indigests. Precisely - The Nolan actually likes
:55:35. > :55:39.the gloom of his normal habitat. Every year in late spring he my
:55:40. > :55:45.grates to warmer climes, much to the relief of the rest of the flock.
:55:46. > :55:50.Guess how many weeks to my holiday - five! Let's hug it out, guys.
:55:51. > :56:03.APPLAUSE You clap that, won't you? I've never
:56:04. > :56:10.seen that before. I hope never to see it again. Can I give one message
:56:11. > :56:15.to anybody who does have problems of any kind, you know, let's face it,
:56:16. > :56:19.there are all sorts of different mental health problems. Don't be
:56:20. > :56:23.embarrassed about it in anyway what so ever. One in four people have
:56:24. > :56:27.problems. Start talking to other people. You can bet your boots, I
:56:28. > :56:34.bet if you went round this audience right now and say, I have, I have.
:56:35. > :56:37.Let me give out the Samaritans number, it's up on your screen now.
:56:38. > :56:42.What an interesting man you are. I wish we could do a whole show on
:56:43. > :56:49.you. Maybe we will get a chance to talk to you again. I would love to.
:56:50. > :56:52.I admire you sir, I admire your openness and honesty. Ladies and
:56:53. > :56:56.gentlemen, Bill Oddie. APPLAUSE.
:56:57. > :57:00.Thank you. That's almost all we have time for tonight. Just a quick
:57:01. > :57:06.reminder, if you want to be in the audience here's what you have to do.
:57:07. > :57:12.Go on online at bbc.co.uk/tickets and apply there. I will be back on
:57:13. > :57:15.the Nolan radio show in the morning. 9.00am BBC Radio Ulster. Before we
:57:16. > :57:20.do go tonight we have a special treat for you. My next guests are
:57:21. > :57:25.packing out venues across Ireland with their unique interpretation of
:57:26. > :57:29.some classic hits. The family group have made waves in the States.
:57:30. > :57:37.Ladies and gentlemen, performing Happy Days, here they are, Crystal
:57:38. > :57:41.Swing. # Sunday, Monday, happy day
:57:42. > :57:46.# Tuesday, Wednesday, happy days # Thursday, Friday, happy days
:57:47. > :57:50.# Saturday, what a day # Rocken all week with you
:57:51. > :57:58.# This day is ours # These days are all
:57:59. > :58:01.# Share them with me # Feels so right
:58:02. > :58:05.# It can't be wrong # Rocking and rolling all week long
:58:06. > :58:10.# These days are ours # Happy and free
:58:11. > :58:15.# These days are ours # Share them with me
:58:16. > :58:20.# These days are ours # Happy and free
:58:21. > :58:25.# These days are ours # Share them with me being Saturday,
:58:26. > :58:28.what a day # Grooving all week with you... #
:58:29. > :58:59.Let's see the hands! # Hey... #
:59:00. > :59:04.# Sunday, Monday, happy days # Tuesday, Wednesday, happy days
:59:05. > :59:12.# Thursday, Friday, happy days # The weekend comes
:59:13. > :59:16.# Ready to race to you # These days are ours
:59:17. > :59:22.# Happy and free # Share them with me
:59:23. > :59:23.# Goodbye grey coy sky hello blue # Nothing can hold me when I hold
:59:24. > :59:30.you # Feels so right, it can't be wrong
:59:31. > :59:33.# Rocking and rolling all week long # These days are ours
:59:34. > :59:37.# Happy and free # These days are ours
:59:38. > :59:40.# Share them with me this can these days are ours
:59:41. > :59:46.# Happy and free # These days are ours share them
:59:47. > :59:50.with me # These happy days are yours and
:59:51. > :59:54.mine # These happy days are yours and
:59:55. > :59:58.mine # These happy days are yours and
:59:59. > :00:04.mine # Are your and
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