:00:07. > :00:17.Welcome, we are liable be busy one. -- we are live on BBC One. Racist
:00:18. > :00:23.offences have gone up by a third, but who is to blame? Should a wife
:00:24. > :00:34.to apologise to her husband if he cheats on her? Scottish
:00:35. > :00:38.businesswoman Michelle Mone on her bra empire, and Of the Priests are
:00:39. > :01:04.singing live! Hello, racist graffiti, people
:01:05. > :01:09.beaten with golf clubs and in one case, faeces thrown around one
:01:10. > :01:12.victim. Just one of the shocking race attacks in Northern Ireland.
:01:13. > :01:19.Here is a reminder of some of the recent incidents that have made the
:01:20. > :01:26.news. Rocks flung Windows, racist slogans, cars set alight, all of
:01:27. > :01:28.that has led to the immigrant community in Belfast being worried
:01:29. > :01:34.for their safety. Last year, the number of racist
:01:35. > :01:39.attacks reported to the police rose to 982, an increase of 31%. In
:01:40. > :01:43.January, four cars were burned out on this road near a sectarian
:01:44. > :01:54.interface. All belonged to foreign national families. C Watts, that car
:01:55. > :02:02.is Polish, and that is Romanian. I live in take a -- Tiger Bay, they
:02:03. > :02:09.burn my house, they put the fire, I come from work and I see my house is
:02:10. > :02:16.burnt. I am not afraid of nobody. The issue of hate crime has been
:02:17. > :02:22.gaining momentum since 2012. Photographs emerged of Polish flags
:02:23. > :02:24.on bonfires. In April, the assistant Chief Constable met with the
:02:25. > :02:32.policing board to discuss the ongoing problem. We think that
:02:33. > :02:36.people are behind orchestrating these racist attacks, some of it is
:02:37. > :02:42.show floor housing base which worries us, because it has a deeply
:02:43. > :02:47.unpleasant taste of ethnic cleansing in Belfast. Last month, two Polish
:02:48. > :02:50.men and a woman were attacked by a gang armed with golf clubs. Just one
:02:51. > :02:55.of the series of attacks on that community.
:02:56. > :02:59.We want your views tonight. How to do so will come upon the screen.
:03:00. > :03:06.That find out what it is on the ground. Tell me what it is like,
:03:07. > :03:12.what people like sprinting in Northern Ireland. -- are
:03:13. > :03:16.experiencing. The Polish community is shaken by the incidents and the
:03:17. > :03:21.attacks that are targeting the community. We are scared of what is
:03:22. > :03:25.happening. At the start, many of the migrant workers were encouraged to
:03:26. > :03:31.come here by employers, to find jobs here. And they felt welcomed, by the
:03:32. > :03:35.community. And they felt part of the community. At the moment, they do
:03:36. > :03:41.not know what is happening and why it is happening. How bad is it? Is
:03:42. > :03:49.it getting worse? I think it is getting worse, we hear racist
:03:50. > :03:54.attacks every day. I have been here for ten years and I do not think I
:03:55. > :03:59.have felt that scared before. Never been more frightened than now? Yes.
:04:00. > :04:06.Who is it to blame? Is it just that we have got to hate people in this
:04:07. > :04:12.country, either hate each other or hate foreign people? I do not think
:04:13. > :04:17.that was fair. People would say that they find Northern Ireland people
:04:18. > :04:22.very friendly and welcoming. And many of the recent incidents were
:04:23. > :04:25.reported by local residents who saw things happening. We would be wrong
:04:26. > :04:30.to say that those who engage in this kind of hate crime art
:04:31. > :04:34.representative of the community but I think it is damaging if we do not
:04:35. > :04:38.treat it seriously. There are clearly tensions in the community,
:04:39. > :04:43.it is very clear that there is a political motivation in that case.
:04:44. > :04:47.Paramilitary is wanting to exploit local communities. It is about more
:04:48. > :04:50.than that, it is about trying to build relationships. People who come
:04:51. > :04:53.to Northern Ireland are here to contribute to the community and we
:04:54. > :04:57.should welcome that and try to work with people so we can build a
:04:58. > :05:04.stronger sense of community and identity that includes those people.
:05:05. > :05:08.And not putting local people first? It is not about that. It has to be
:05:09. > :05:11.about treating every individual with respect and dignity and treating
:05:12. > :05:14.them fairly and that is what it has got to be about. That is the only
:05:15. > :05:17.way we are going to address this by making sure that when it comes to
:05:18. > :05:21.things like debates about who gets jobs, it is got to be the person who
:05:22. > :05:25.is most talented. We have got to ensure that we educate young people
:05:26. > :05:29.in our communities that they are able to compete with those jobs on
:05:30. > :05:32.an equal footing. We cannot create a situation when we talk about local
:05:33. > :05:39.first, the cars where the draw the line? -- because where do you draw
:05:40. > :05:43.the line? People come here to make a contribution and that would stifle
:05:44. > :05:50.the economy. We do not say no to inward investment, why would we say
:05:51. > :05:53.no to inward immigration? Politicians rightly condemn racist
:05:54. > :05:57.attacks in our communities but what we do not see is leadership from our
:05:58. > :06:01.politicians. This turned into yet another Sinn Fein, DUP, tit-for-tat,
:06:02. > :06:09.where you are blaming each other and not focusing on the issue at hand.
:06:10. > :06:14.What is happening on the ground in combating this issue? Have a look at
:06:15. > :06:20.this between Martin McGuinness and Gregory Campbell. I have been on the
:06:21. > :06:27.public record for some considerable time over the course of the last
:06:28. > :06:31.number of weeks making it clear that I believe these attacks are
:06:32. > :06:36.orchestrated and they are being orchestrated by the EDF. -- the UDF.
:06:37. > :06:43.I call on the organisation to hold this. These attacks are absolutely
:06:44. > :06:46.unacceptable, deplorable. And I call on all political leaders to speak
:06:47. > :06:56.out loudly and stand together with victims of these hate crimes. Thank
:06:57. > :07:01.you, Mr Speaker. I suppose everyone will unite in condemning all
:07:02. > :07:04.attacks, whoever they are enacted upon and wherever it is carried out.
:07:05. > :07:09.With the Deputy first Minister not agree that his condemnation,
:07:10. > :07:15.unequivocal as it is, would carry more weight if he were to own up in
:07:16. > :07:24.an open and transparent manner the hate crimes that he engaged in when
:07:25. > :07:29.he was in the IRA? I know the member who has just asked that question is,
:07:30. > :07:36.unlike me, very indebted. I have a lot to be bitter about. -- he is,
:07:37. > :07:40.unlike me, very bitter. But I do not intend to live my life through
:07:41. > :07:42.bitterness. I want to contribute positively to everything that is
:07:43. > :07:49.happening in our society. I think it is about time that the leading
:07:50. > :07:54.spokespersons who say, on the Unionist benchers who say that
:07:55. > :08:00.attacks on isolated East Europeans, and for different reasons either
:08:01. > :08:04.sectarianism or racism, are the attacks on the party opposite, it is
:08:05. > :08:09.about time they stood up and told the public or the belief is
:08:10. > :08:15.responsible. I the only person who has the courage to do that. So who
:08:16. > :08:21.is the people who are response will, is it the UVF? The police have
:08:22. > :08:25.indicated that in some cases there is paramilitary involvement. Let me
:08:26. > :08:28.respond to the point that was raised about leadership. Several weeks
:08:29. > :08:33.ago, before these attacks escalated, I met with Eva Grossman from the
:08:34. > :08:38.Polish community. And together we decided that what we really needed
:08:39. > :08:40.now was to restore the unite against hate campaign, which was race
:08:41. > :08:47.success will previously in combating some of these hate crimes. You are
:08:48. > :08:50.squabbling with each other in the assembly and scoring points, that is
:08:51. > :08:55.the point of the young man is making. I am not there to do that
:08:56. > :09:03.tonight. You do it in the assembly. I am not in the assembly. You, being
:09:04. > :09:08.the DUP. Look at the squabbling. If you look at what we are doing, what
:09:09. > :09:13.you try to do is provoke a row and I'm not going to give in to that.
:09:14. > :09:19.Just one second and then you can. Just for the record, I did not
:09:20. > :09:22.control the assembly. And there was an opportunity for you to be united
:09:23. > :09:29.up there, and what happens? Potshots at each other. Yellow matter I am
:09:30. > :09:35.not keen to get into potshots tonight. I want to address this into
:09:36. > :09:39.the Polish community. I am appalled when I see the Polish flag on top of
:09:40. > :09:44.the nationalist bonfire and I will explain why. Join the Second World
:09:45. > :09:49.War, when Hitler was bombing East Belfast -- during the Second World
:09:50. > :09:56.War, it was Polish airmen who defended this city and gave their
:09:57. > :10:00.lives for our freedom. They stood with us against fascism, against
:10:01. > :10:03.ethnic cleansing in Europe. I think we need to remember that. Some
:10:04. > :10:07.people need to look at their history. When they attack the Polish
:10:08. > :10:12.community or any ethnic minority in Northern Ireland, maybe they need to
:10:13. > :10:16.understand a bit about this. The other thing they need to realise is
:10:17. > :10:22.that there are 25 million people of what I would call of the Scots
:10:23. > :10:26.extraction living in the United States of America, 25 million
:10:27. > :10:32.office. -- Ulster Scots extraction. Those people went to North America
:10:33. > :10:36.and made their home there, they are also in Canada, Australia, New
:10:37. > :10:38.Zealand. People who left here and integrated into other communities,
:10:39. > :10:44.were welcomed there, given jobs and opportunities. We have to recognise
:10:45. > :10:47.we cannot on the one hand here in Northern Ireland say that Northern
:10:48. > :10:51.Ireland is closed for people, and at the same time, our young people
:10:52. > :10:55.leave these shores and expect to be treated well wherever they go, and I
:10:56. > :11:01.think that is very important. OK, you can do the other thing in a
:11:02. > :11:05.second. Come on! It is an important point. I do think that politicians
:11:06. > :11:09.should unite on this issue and I think the unite against hate
:11:10. > :11:12.campaign is the vehicle around which we can unite, and not just the
:11:13. > :11:17.politicians, but the entire community, to send out a message
:11:18. > :11:23.that racism is wrong, deplorable and has to stop. So what is McGuinness
:11:24. > :11:29.on about? The Unionist community is not speaking up loudly against us,
:11:30. > :11:33.listen to that, crystal clear. The difficulty I have of what Geoffrey
:11:34. > :11:40.has said is, you saw the clip of the policeman at the meeting, he said
:11:41. > :11:45.something similar in the May meeting. He has also said that the
:11:46. > :11:50.UVF have been responsible for a 70% increase in hate crime. When the
:11:51. > :11:54.dissident republicans come out and carry out their attacks, Martin
:11:55. > :11:58.McGuinness stands up, he stands with the police, he stands at the
:11:59. > :12:01.community. The people who are carrying out these racist attacks in
:12:02. > :12:08.east Belfast are the same people who petrol bombed a female police
:12:09. > :12:12.officer outside Naomi's office in east Belfast. They are the same
:12:13. > :12:17.people who shot and seriously wounded General McGrath in east
:12:18. > :12:24.Belfast. The question we need to ask is why are the DUP not coming out
:12:25. > :12:34.clearly and condemning the UVF? They are, Pat. He has not come out and
:12:35. > :12:38.condemned it. That is not true. The perception is they will not condemn
:12:39. > :12:41.the UVF because they want to support in the forthcoming elections and
:12:42. > :12:42.they particularly want it for the next Westminster election because
:12:43. > :13:26.they want their own seat, Naomi. send out a clear message in this
:13:27. > :13:42.community. We need to send a message to people tonight who are living in
:13:43. > :13:45.fear. It's easily resolved. Let Peter Robinson stand shoulder to
:13:46. > :13:49.shoulder with Martin McGuinness and with the Chief Constable and condemn
:13:50. > :13:54.those the UVF who are responsible for this. Here is the issue. If
:13:55. > :13:57.Peter Robinson isn't going to come out clearly and condemn the UVF, how
:13:58. > :14:01.do you expect people in the community to come forward and give
:14:02. > :14:05.information to the police? Jeffrey has made it crystal clear that he
:14:06. > :14:10.has. I will not spend all night doing this. Do one thing. Give me an
:14:11. > :14:14.undertaking now that the DUP will provide us with how many times Peter
:14:15. > :14:19.Robinson, over the last 12 months, has condemned the UVF, will you do
:14:20. > :14:23.that? We will be happy to do that. Not only Peter. Specifically Peter
:14:24. > :14:29.is the charge in his role as First Minister. That will be done. Some
:14:30. > :14:34.figure between 0 and what do you guess? We will provide you the
:14:35. > :14:39.figures. The focus is on East Belfast, there have been twice as
:14:40. > :14:45.many racist attacks in South Belfast and more racist attacks in North
:14:46. > :14:50.Belfast than East Belfast, let us get leadership from Sinn Fein
:14:51. > :14:59.strongly condemning these racist attacks instead of getting involved
:15:00. > :15:03.in theys tit-for-tat nonsense. It should not be about finger-pointing.
:15:04. > :15:07.His leader was being attacked, to be fair. Not just now. We were looking
:15:08. > :15:16.at the wider issues about the fact it isn't only in East Belfast and in
:15:17. > :15:20.South Belfast and other locations. For example, where is the strategy
:15:21. > :15:23.that the Assembly is meant to bring forward and hasn't been brought
:15:24. > :15:27.forward and progressed. Those actions would allow us to engage
:15:28. > :15:33.with communities in a meaningful way, put targets on what we do and
:15:34. > :15:37.money behind those things. It ease easy to say things, harder to
:15:38. > :15:42.follow-through. We need to look at supporting those who are doing good
:15:43. > :15:47.work. I agrief against the Unite Against Hate campaign. We need to
:15:48. > :15:51.find vehicles for people working in local communities, language classes,
:15:52. > :15:54.whether it is support or doing other things to integrate local
:15:55. > :15:58.communities so people know each other better. What surprises me
:15:59. > :16:01.most, I guess, is that despite all of the violence and all of the
:16:02. > :16:04.attacks, when you go into communities and you meet people who
:16:05. > :16:13.are engaging with each other, they don't see each other as Lithuanian
:16:14. > :16:17.or Polish or Northern Irish they see each other neighbours. Until that is
:16:18. > :16:20.the point where people view each other we will continue to these
:16:21. > :16:25.problems. If we go back to the original person in the audience. Are
:16:26. > :16:30.you any more persuaded now? No. It's the usual tit for tat. Fight among
:16:31. > :16:34.themselves. The same with the Haass proposals. You came to no agreement.
:16:35. > :16:38.You come to no agreement over this. People on the ground actually have
:16:39. > :16:43.to take up the mantel and do something about it. All you do up in
:16:44. > :16:48.Stormont is argue and get no results. By the way. Apparently the
:16:49. > :16:57.DUP... APPLAUSE Yeah.
:16:58. > :17:03.You need to come into a programme like this better briefed. Apparently
:17:04. > :17:09.Peter Robinson condemned the UVF yesterday. That is news to me. Whose
:17:10. > :17:13.fault is that? The the attacks have been taking place for 18 months. You
:17:14. > :17:19.are sitting here tonight condemning the First Minister of the country
:17:20. > :17:28.not condemning the UVF, he did so as recently as yesterday. Are you for
:17:29. > :17:35.real? Eunicism has been negligent in their duty. You are ignoring
:17:36. > :17:38.yesterday. Martin McGuinness came straight out clearly condemned the
:17:39. > :17:42.shooting. Gave leadership. Gave leadership to the community. Told
:17:43. > :17:50.the people who were responsible that they were traitors. There was no ifs
:17:51. > :17:53.or buts. The leadership of unionism needs to do the same in this
:17:54. > :17:57.circumstance. They need to stand up and be clear about it. They are not
:17:58. > :18:00.doing that. When you see what Peter Robinson said yesterday will you
:18:01. > :18:05.apologise on behalf of Sinn Fein? Let me see what he said. We will
:18:06. > :18:10.find what he said. Let us see if we can find it. I don't know if we can.
:18:11. > :18:14.In the front row. I live in Manchester for many years, I know
:18:15. > :18:19.you have been over quite often yourself, Stephen, I have to say any
:18:20. > :18:24.area of Manchester you go into there is racist slurs written on walls,
:18:25. > :18:29.slogans, racist attacks daily. It's nothing new. It's happening in Great
:18:30. > :18:34.Britain, you but it doesn't make the news. Here we go, we have an
:18:35. > :18:38.election coming. The politicians will carve this up between them and
:18:39. > :18:44.blame each other and blame whatever. It was unfortunate that the
:18:45. > :18:49.Assistant Chief Constable blamed a specific area, or people. I think
:18:50. > :18:53.that - It's either the UVF behind it or it's not. Behind some of it, or
:18:54. > :18:58.it's not. It could well be behind some of it. It can't be behind all
:18:59. > :19:02.of it. What I'm trying to say. This type of racist attack, attacks, it's
:19:03. > :19:09.happening all over England, Scotland and Wales, it never makes the news.
:19:10. > :19:13.We have having an election... He said, she said. In fairness we
:19:14. > :19:17.haven't been raising it in the context of he said, she said. I
:19:18. > :19:23.raised it in the context that I'm concerned people living in my
:19:24. > :19:26.constituency are fearful. Afraid to go to their beds because their
:19:27. > :19:29.windows will be smashed or when they get up in the morning their cars
:19:30. > :19:32.will be damaged. They are frightened with their children. I don't want to
:19:33. > :19:36.live in a kind of society where people are afraid. I don't want to
:19:37. > :19:41.live in a neighbourhood where people who are different from me, religion
:19:42. > :19:46.or politics or their nationality, feel fearful for their lives. That
:19:47. > :19:49.is not the society any of us would want to live in. I'm not interested
:19:50. > :19:52.in blaming people for being responsible. I'm interested in
:19:53. > :19:56.addressing the issue. I haven't been raising it because there is an
:19:57. > :20:00.election coming up. That doesn't directly affect me personally. It's
:20:01. > :20:03.a point of principle. Northern Ireland isn't open and welcoming
:20:04. > :20:06.place. We have to be if we are a successful to attract the kind of
:20:07. > :20:09.business and opportunity that we want to so that everyone in Northern
:20:10. > :20:12.Ireland, including people who were born here locally, can have the best
:20:13. > :20:16.opportunities in life. We are not going to be able to do that while
:20:17. > :20:19.this goes on. To say it happens in other places doesn't make it right.
:20:20. > :20:24.OK. I'm not suggesting for a minute it does make it right.
:20:25. > :20:29.APPLAUSE Where is this - Let me finish.
:20:30. > :20:33.Quickly. Yes, everybody should condemn it. I totally condemn
:20:34. > :20:36.anything like that. What I'm trying to say. It's happening all over
:20:37. > :20:42.Great Britain, but only here we are getting it on the front pages on the
:20:43. > :20:45.newspapers. Everywhere it's just electioneering these two guys here
:20:46. > :20:50.are bat and ball with each other. With respect much I resent that. I'm
:20:51. > :20:54.not a candidate in this election. You represent the DUP. You had your
:20:55. > :20:57.say. I was invited on to the programme tonight to put forward a
:20:58. > :21:02.perspective. I don't think anyone in this audience can be in any doubt
:21:03. > :21:05.tonight I have without reservation condemned these attacks. I have said
:21:06. > :21:10.they are wrong. Any loyalists who thinks it's an act of loyalty to
:21:11. > :21:14.carry out such an attack is wrong. We need to deal with those things.
:21:15. > :21:17.That is not about electioneering. I don't know whether there are votes
:21:18. > :21:23.to be won or not for this. It's the right thing to do. Show leadership,
:21:24. > :21:27.for the past four years we haven't seen much of it from any of the
:21:28. > :21:32.parties up there. You may well say that but...
:21:33. > :21:35.APPLAUSE 40 years ago people were killing
:21:36. > :21:39.each other on the streets of Northern Ireland. The 40 years ago
:21:40. > :21:43.Northern Ireland that I lived in we lived behind locked doors. We were
:21:44. > :21:47.looking under our cars and over our shoulders. With the greatest of
:21:48. > :21:52.respect, politicians have brought us at least some way along the road to
:21:53. > :21:56.a degree of normality. It's easy to hit the politicians. Actually, you
:21:57. > :22:01.know, some people in politics have taken risks. Have stretched their
:22:02. > :22:05.constituency. Have tried to move Northern Ireland forward. I think at
:22:06. > :22:09.the end of the day, if we weren't getting it right we wouldn't be
:22:10. > :22:14.sitting here. Where is this coming from? That all of these people
:22:15. > :22:17.coming from abroad are taking local people's jobs? Where is that coming
:22:18. > :22:22.from this sense of anger that you talk about? Stephen, I will explain
:22:23. > :22:26.that in a moment. I find, see this week, I listened to Martin
:22:27. > :22:30.McGuinness and Gerry Kelly, I listened to him telling me what is
:22:31. > :22:33.happening in my community. A community who would probably have
:22:34. > :22:38.the ear to the ground more than they would. I find it rich coming from
:22:39. > :22:41.them whenever Jean McConville and their son were looking for
:22:42. > :22:45.information for what happened to them. They are very good saying what
:22:46. > :22:48.is happening in our area and what they know about it. When they are
:22:49. > :22:51.asked questions about what happened to Jean McConville and her
:22:52. > :22:56.11-year-old son taken away they are very, very - We are not talking
:22:57. > :23:02.about it tonight, are we? That is not the point it is electioneering.
:23:03. > :23:10.Let us focus. When we talk about raising issues. Posters went up in
:23:11. > :23:14.East Belfast about jobs. About jobs. Naomi's party came out and called
:23:15. > :23:17.them racist posters. They weren't racist posters. Put up by people
:23:18. > :23:21.concerned about their jobs they weren't getting jobs. People were
:23:22. > :23:25.being brought in by a specific person who promised the local
:23:26. > :23:29.community he would utilise all the skilled labour that there was in
:23:30. > :23:33.that community first before he would thenle bring in people from outside.
:23:34. > :23:39.You are talking about the shipyard? Yes. They recruited as many local
:23:40. > :23:46.people as they could. There weren't local people with the skill base.
:23:47. > :23:50.Naomi Long's party was wrong for calling the posters racist. People
:23:51. > :23:54.on their books who were laid off. They brought in 400 workers from
:23:55. > :24:01.foreign fields to come in and do the same work. At a higher rate. At a
:24:02. > :24:06.higher rate. This is factual. Why don't you leave Naomi along and
:24:07. > :24:09.condemn the racism. I do condemn racism. You asked me about the
:24:10. > :24:15.poster. I'm telling you about the poster. I'm telling you about the
:24:16. > :24:18.posters. Who put the posters up? Get on to racism in itself. It's a lack
:24:19. > :24:21.of information out there to people and what is happening in this
:24:22. > :24:26.society. Where is the anger coming from? Stephen, the anger is based on
:24:27. > :24:33.a lot of things. Misinformation. You sat there and said about faeces
:24:34. > :24:36.being thrown around a man driving up the Newtownards Road. The police
:24:37. > :24:40.have said they believe that was from one of his own community, did you
:24:41. > :24:45.know that? No. We were told that at a meeting with the police 10 days
:24:46. > :24:51.ago they said they weren't sure, but... Also. They weren't sure, now.
:24:52. > :24:54.They weren't sure who it was... Maybe that is why I didn't know
:24:55. > :24:58.about it because you said the police weren't sure. They said that was the
:24:59. > :25:01.line they were taking. As far as I'm concerned, we tried to do something
:25:02. > :25:06.about racism. We got together when that happened much we put out a
:25:07. > :25:12.statement from the loyalist - Jim. Can I say this. You know, East
:25:13. > :25:17.Belfast, like any other community, it's a tight community. OK. The if
:25:18. > :25:21.that type of graffiti is going up, someone is giving it the OK. Do you
:25:22. > :25:27.not think? Do you not think someone is giving it the nod? You know what
:25:28. > :25:31.you are doing as journalists. You are sometimes creating a situation
:25:32. > :25:36.that doesn't exist. Giving kids the right to go out and do other stuff
:25:37. > :25:44.on the walls and think - Don't talk utter nonsense. . When there is
:25:45. > :25:48."blacks out" on graffiti we are encouraging it? Ask I sat down with
:25:49. > :25:53.the police and representatives of the UVF who said they are nothing to
:25:54. > :25:56.do with this. Who is doing it? The police accepted that across the
:25:57. > :26:00.table. Who is doing it? You tell me. People not fed up of getting jobs.
:26:01. > :26:09.Not getting education, not getting their kids into school. They are
:26:10. > :26:13.that bad - Miss-information. These people are that badly informed that
:26:14. > :26:17.if they are not getting jobs then they should, as any community
:26:18. > :26:20.should, hold their politicians to account. Put Government under
:26:21. > :26:24.pressure to create more employment, taking it out of families because of
:26:25. > :26:28.the colour of their skin, burning people out of their homes because of
:26:29. > :26:32.the colour of their skin. Having people frightened to go to bed at
:26:33. > :26:34.night. Those are people within the community who have some kind of
:26:35. > :26:38.legitmacy. They have none. Absolutely wrong. I have said it
:26:39. > :26:42.from the start. We are trying to do something about it. We are not
:26:43. > :26:45.sitting - what we are trying to do - in the next couple of weeks people
:26:46. > :26:49.are coming together am we have met with the Polish community on Monday
:26:50. > :26:53.and met with different affluent people. We explained to them what we
:26:54. > :26:56.will try and do. People are trying to do something about what is going
:26:57. > :27:00.on. The information levels out there need to come from the education
:27:01. > :27:04.authority when people thinking their kids are getting stepped over. The
:27:05. > :27:08.housing, when they think they are getting houses stepped over. The
:27:09. > :27:11.misinformation needs to stop and proper information given to those
:27:12. > :27:15.communities. It's not particularly helpful for people to be plastering
:27:16. > :27:19.that misinformation on posters and walls which is the point we made as
:27:20. > :27:24.a party. When that misinformation is put on posters and walls it raises
:27:25. > :27:30.questions in the area it creates a sense that people are being competed
:27:31. > :27:37.for the same jobs - There is no misinformation on those posters.
:27:38. > :27:42.Your party was wrong - It's raising rational tensions. It's valid for
:27:43. > :27:46.people to want to have discussion around immigration. What isn't valid
:27:47. > :27:50.is for people to use it to stir up xenophobia and race hate that
:27:51. > :28:24.creates a breeding ground where the attacks will occur.
:28:25. > :28:35.of kids putting it up, there seems to be a certain coordination to it.
:28:36. > :28:39.I cannot speak to the entire community but we would not, I do not
:28:40. > :28:42.understand why it is happening. I think there needs to be a stronger
:28:43. > :28:49.point from the assembly that it should not be happening. The
:28:50. > :28:56.honorary Polish console is here, he can join us on the line, give
:28:57. > :29:00.meaning to you. -- good evening to you. How bad is this situation? Is
:29:01. > :29:05.it being blown out of all proportion, are we at danger levels?
:29:06. > :29:09.I do not think it is being blown out of proportion. As it is a very
:29:10. > :29:16.serious matter that has been occurring for some weeks now. Maybe
:29:17. > :29:21.even for longer than that. We need to have it stopped. I am concerned
:29:22. > :29:25.that this matter would become a political football in some way. This
:29:26. > :29:31.is not what we want to see happening, we need the cooperation
:29:32. > :29:35.of everybody to try to bring an end to the attacks that are taking place
:29:36. > :29:41.on the Polish community, which are quite disgraceful and appalling. And
:29:42. > :29:45.does not reflect, I know it does not reflect the good people of East
:29:46. > :29:51.Belfast South Belfast or anywhere else in Belfast. What is happening
:29:52. > :29:55.is wrong, and I know that people there who have spoken on the
:29:56. > :29:59.programme tonight, want to see it stopped. I met the first minister
:30:00. > :30:03.yesterday, I want to make this clear. And he made it very clear to
:30:04. > :30:10.me, his concern at what is happening. Thank you very much, I
:30:11. > :30:19.can go further than that. Pat Sheehan, I'm resolute, it
:30:20. > :30:30.irrespective of where attacks emanate, I will be... Such activity
:30:31. > :30:37.is an outrage and has no support within the Unionist community,
:30:38. > :30:41.signed the Robinson. If it had been only, we could have understood it
:30:42. > :30:47.better. That is interesting because on your radio show yesterday
:30:48. > :30:55.morning, and MLA from East Belfast refused to condemn. Be a man and
:30:56. > :31:01.apologised to the first Minister. I am not apologising. You have sat in
:31:02. > :31:06.front of people, accused the first minister of not criticising the UVF
:31:07. > :31:11.and there it is in writing. You a man of your honour and will you
:31:12. > :31:17.apologise to him? I will not apologise. This is a very belated
:31:18. > :31:26.condemnation. What is... What is politics about? In this country? It
:31:27. > :31:38.is about leadership. And until now, he has not shown leadership. I will
:31:39. > :31:43.not equivocate in my condemnation, and Sinn Fein have come to the table
:31:44. > :31:53.accusing the Minister not condemning the UVF. Wise up. And by the way, if
:31:54. > :31:56.at any stage the DUP or any other political party wants to accuse you
:31:57. > :32:02.lot wrongly come I will treat them the same. Do you not think that is
:32:03. > :32:06.fair? That is fair enough and I have no difficult with that. The
:32:07. > :32:10.difficulty is that Peter Robinson has a track record of not standing
:32:11. > :32:17.up and condemning violence and it happens. There was serious by the
:32:18. > :32:20.seat -- summer -- there was serious violence in the summer last year, we
:32:21. > :32:28.did not hear a peep from him. This is a belated condemnation, I am glad
:32:29. > :32:35.to see it and I welcome it, but as far as apologising, I will not be
:32:36. > :32:40.apologising. Maybe it needs more than a statement, leadership, more
:32:41. > :32:43.than these words written down. It does, and it is not just about a
:32:44. > :32:47.one-off statement. If you look at the record, Peter has been very
:32:48. > :32:52.clear in his condemnation of the violence from whatever source and
:32:53. > :32:56.whatever circumstance. We are trying to build a Northern Ireland where
:32:57. > :33:01.violence is not a feature of how we live as a society. Whether that is
:33:02. > :33:06.sectarian violence or racist violence. We are very clear about
:33:07. > :33:11.that. And as I said earlier, one of the things we can do in response to
:33:12. > :33:16.this is to unite around something like the Unite against hate
:33:17. > :33:19.campaign, which the ethnic minority groups are saying very clearly they
:33:20. > :33:23.want to see properly supported and reinstated, and we are absolutely up
:33:24. > :33:33.for that. Because we believe that is important. We can continue talking
:33:34. > :33:41.about this on Twitter. Please give our get the round of applause.
:33:42. > :33:48.Let's have a quick reminder of how you at home can get involved in the
:33:49. > :33:58.discussion tonight. You can call us. The calls will cost up to 5p from
:33:59. > :34:03.most man lines. -- landlines. If you are on Twitter, it comes straight
:34:04. > :34:11.into my phone, I talk to you when I get into bed tonight, the details
:34:12. > :34:16.are on the screen. Still to come on the programme. When it comes to
:34:17. > :34:23.cheating, should women take the brain if their husbands straight? --
:34:24. > :34:32.if their husbands straight? -- if their husbands cheat?
:34:33. > :34:37.My next guests have produced three albums, and despite their fame, they
:34:38. > :34:40.have not given up their day jobs. Singing you will never walk alone,
:34:41. > :34:50.ladies and gentlemen, please welcome, The Priests.
:34:51. > :35:10.# When you walk through a storm # Hold your head up high # And don't
:35:11. > :35:31.be a afraid of the dark. # At the end of the storm.
:35:32. > :35:47.# Walk on through the wind, walk on through the rain.
:35:48. > :35:53.# Though your dreams may cost and moan.
:35:54. > :36:02.# Walk on, walk on, with hope in your hearts.
:36:03. > :36:31.# And you'll never walk alone. # You'll never walk alone.
:36:32. > :36:44.# Walk on, walk on. # With hope in your heart.
:36:45. > :37:06.# And you'll never walk alone. # You'll never walk alone.
:37:07. > :37:28.Wonderful. Thank you very much indeed, guys.
:37:29. > :37:33.That famous anthem was movingly sung by Celtic fans in tribute to ox --
:37:34. > :37:41.Oscar Knox who died last week. We will have our own tribute later.
:37:42. > :37:48.My next guests left school at 15, invented modifications and in her
:37:49. > :37:53.own words, worked her cars off to establish her bra business. --
:37:54. > :37:57.worked her bottom. Please login, Michelle Mone.
:37:58. > :38:09.Hello! Good to see you. Hello, everyone! Why are you sounding
:38:10. > :38:15.timid? There is nothing timid about you. I have been reading your story,
:38:16. > :38:18.it is a fascinating story of business success and drive and it
:38:19. > :38:23.started when you were a kid. You just wanted to be an entrepreneur. I
:38:24. > :38:29.did, I came up from the East End of Glasgow. I decided to start a
:38:30. > :38:35.business and I was ten. What was that? I started a paper round
:38:36. > :38:40.business in the east end. Not just a paper round, exclusive rights,
:38:41. > :38:47.somehow, to the paper round. And within a year, I had 17 teenagers
:38:48. > :38:53.working for me. Aged 11? That is not true! They did not want to work for
:38:54. > :38:59.me, they said I was too young. I left school at 15. No
:39:00. > :39:03.qualifications. Not that I'm proud of that. I would have loved to have
:39:04. > :39:10.gone to university, maybe one day I will. So you forge your way up as a
:39:11. > :39:15.kid, you didn't get modifications, how on earth you set up a massive
:39:16. > :39:20.business from there? I think that anyone can do it. I grew up in an
:39:21. > :39:24.area where everyone was, you cannot do this because you don't have
:39:25. > :39:26.money. And you don't have an education, and you're not from the
:39:27. > :39:31.right stock. I used to always question that. And I think that if
:39:32. > :39:35.you got that drive and determination, and can-do attitude,
:39:36. > :39:40.you can achieve just about anything. Don't take offence, because I agree
:39:41. > :39:45.with you, but it is easier said than done, isn't it? If you are telling
:39:46. > :39:49.some kid, no matter what age a person is that there's not having a
:39:50. > :39:55.lot of money, just determination, it needs more than that. It needs luck
:39:56. > :39:58.and money. Surely. I think the harder you work, the luckier you
:39:59. > :40:04.become. I got made redundant when I was 24, and I cried for about six
:40:05. > :40:07.weeks. I had two babies at the time and it was the best thing that ever
:40:08. > :40:12.happened to me. I always believed that when one door closes many
:40:13. > :40:20.others open. It is drive and determination to find it, and I
:40:21. > :40:23.invented Ultima, the first gel filled bra, then Julia Roberts wore
:40:24. > :40:31.it in Erin Doctor bitch and then boom.
:40:32. > :40:44.So where did the idea of bras come from? I was going to a dinner dance
:40:45. > :40:47.and there was wearing a very uncomfortable bra. I thought, why
:40:48. > :40:52.should women go through all this pain for a little bit of game? I
:40:53. > :40:56.said to my ex-husband, I am going to invent a bra, and he said, what do
:40:57. > :41:02.you know about bras, you can't even so a button. I said, I have got
:41:03. > :41:12.breast and I will work it out. That is what I did, ?480,000 in debt,
:41:13. > :41:17.that is what I did. So how did you invented? I went on an invented 15
:41:18. > :41:23.others, that one had liquid silicon gel so it felt like real breast
:41:24. > :41:33.tissue. I apologise to the men, but women love me. And you found a
:41:34. > :41:38.backer? No, not at that time. I just kept going on and on and on, robbing
:41:39. > :41:44.Peter to pay Paul and getting lots of credit cards, and then we
:41:45. > :41:48.launched it and then we launched in Australia and America and all over
:41:49. > :41:54.the world. Was it money driving you, lifestyle? The last to be rich
:41:55. > :42:00.or successful? What was it? When I was eight small girl growing up,
:42:01. > :42:03.watching Dynasty and Dallas, the sort -- the sports car and a
:42:04. > :42:08.sweeping staircase, that motivated me. Now I have got other things that
:42:09. > :42:15.motivate me. Because you have got that? Is it nice to be rich? Well,
:42:16. > :42:19.listen, I have had my trials and tribulations and had to put a lot on
:42:20. > :42:26.the line three times. And I would do it all again. It is not money, we
:42:27. > :42:30.all need money, of course. But I do not think that money makes you
:42:31. > :42:33.happy. Certainly, I really understood that in the last couple
:42:34. > :42:40.of years, money does not make you happy whatsoever. I know many
:42:41. > :42:44.miserable billionaires, honestly, it gives the opportunities. What you're
:42:45. > :42:48.getting at is, when he broke up with your husband, you had to restructure
:42:49. > :42:52.your whole business. Yes, that was probably the worst time in my life
:42:53. > :42:57.that I am so over that now. No bitterness left any more. I bought
:42:58. > :43:05.him out of the business on the 6th of February 20 13th at 9am, and I
:43:06. > :43:09.will never forget it. Are you ruthless? You have to be in
:43:10. > :43:12.business, but I think I am fair. Because he fell out with Julia
:43:13. > :43:18.Roberts? Kenny McLean no, I didn't! Who did you fall out with? Rod
:43:19. > :43:24.Stewart! How did mix-up Julia Roberts and Rod Stewart? They say I
:43:25. > :43:30.did but I did not. The contract came to the end, and I was with his
:43:31. > :43:37.ex-wife, and I went from his golf into his ex-wife. It happens in
:43:38. > :43:41.business. So you dropped her? Her contract came to the end. That is
:43:42. > :43:43.what the BBC says when they get rid of people like me, we are rested.
:43:44. > :44:21.Well you can come and work for me! How? Well, I just woke up one day
:44:22. > :44:27.and I was on the beach in Miami with Rachel Hunter. I was a size 22. And,
:44:28. > :44:32.same age as her. I was crying on the breach. She said - what is wrong
:44:33. > :44:36.with you? I said, I'm over seven stone in weight. She said - why
:44:37. > :44:40.don't you treat your body like a business? It was just like that
:44:41. > :44:49.lightbulb moment. I came back to the UK. When to see a pro professor
:44:50. > :44:55.developing a herbal pill. It helped me lose all the weight. I now juice
:44:56. > :45:00.a lot. A lot of people who say it didn't help I still take them to
:45:01. > :45:06.this day. I bought half the company as well. I believed in them so much.
:45:07. > :45:11.She is not biased in anyway. Honestly, I only buy things I
:45:12. > :45:17.believe. In I run about six miles a day, seven days aweek and signed up
:45:18. > :45:24.for four marathons to run for breast cancer and children with cancer and
:45:25. > :45:30.stuff like that. Losing that amount of weight. I hear people who have
:45:31. > :45:32.lost that amount of weight, it completely changes their attitude,
:45:33. > :45:37.not just to life, but themselves? Yeah. Does it? Absolutely. I think
:45:38. > :45:41.that, you know, if you are not happy with your career, or your weight, or
:45:42. > :45:46.your fitness, only you can change that. I'm now mentoring 10 people at
:45:47. > :45:51.the moment. Between the ten of them they have lost over 30 stone. And, I
:45:52. > :45:55.do believe that it can change your life. It changes your confidence. It
:45:56. > :46:02.changes everything about you. Listen, you got a round of applause.
:46:03. > :46:08.I weighed myself this morning. In the last 11 weeks I've lost five
:46:09. > :46:12.stone. I got nothing! APPLAUSE
:46:13. > :46:21.Have you really? You have lost five stone? Thank you. Well done! I have
:46:22. > :46:26.?100,000 and a kiss on each cheek. Brilliant. That is amazing. You are
:46:27. > :46:30.looking at me saying - you are still that fat and you've lost five stone?
:46:31. > :46:39.Run a few marathons. That is what you need to do, Stephen. That is
:46:40. > :46:46.amazing. Did you lose a wife like I lost a husband? No, I have nobody to
:46:47. > :46:49.lose, Michelle. Well, I'm single! All right. Ladies and gentlemen,
:46:50. > :46:57.please thank, Michelle Mone. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much.
:46:58. > :46:59.Thank you. APPLAUSE
:47:00. > :47:02.Is now before we move on, here is a quick reminder of how to get in
:47:03. > :47:15.touch with us at home. You can call us: The calls cost up to 5p per
:47:16. > :47:19.minute up from most land lines. Calls from mobiles may be
:47:20. > :47:23.considerably more. If you want to tweet us. I read the tweets you send
:47:24. > :47:26.through the programme. We will continue our conversation. He
:47:27. > :47:34.personally and the team, we will be talking to you after the programme.
:47:35. > :47:38.If you are sending us a text, the texts will be charged at your
:47:39. > :47:46.standard message rate. Now, if you are husband cheated on you, would
:47:47. > :47:51.you be prepared to apologise to him? NO. What about trying to stop your
:47:52. > :47:56.man straying by going to Wife School, run by a self-styled
:47:57. > :48:00.mistress who admits she has been the "other woman" more than once. Sarah
:48:01. > :48:07.Simmons is that woman. She is here in the studio. Good Wife evening.
:48:08. > :48:11.School? Indeed. I believe if wives act like the husband's mistress
:48:12. > :48:15.there is less chance the man will cheat on them. Be your husband's
:48:16. > :48:19.mistress is my motto. Can I say something else. How do you be a
:48:20. > :48:23.mistress? Let me talk about equality. We talk about the man
:48:24. > :48:29.straying. Lots of women cheat too. Look at your very own Mrs Robinson.
:48:30. > :48:32.Should the husband apologise to her? Should Mr Robinson apologise to her?
:48:33. > :48:41.APPLAUSE Hold on. Hold on. I don't think
:48:42. > :48:45.that's fair territory tonight because he's - You have talked about
:48:46. > :48:49.him a lot. I'm chairing the show, we are not talking about it. It's not
:48:50. > :48:54.fair to shut down a woman - I'm shutting you down. That is where we
:48:55. > :48:59.are at. How do you be a mistress. What are you talking about? Are you
:49:00. > :49:03.putting some of the blame onto the lady cheated on? I hate the word
:49:04. > :49:06."blame" I believe in not saying sorry. I believe all parties in an
:49:07. > :49:09.affair or in a marriage, in a relationship, should have
:49:10. > :49:14.accountability when you sign up and you say "I do" it's like a job, a
:49:15. > :49:17.contract. If you are not doing certain things there is a chance a
:49:18. > :49:23.younger model could come in and take that job from you. Communication,
:49:24. > :49:29.accountability and talking. How is it even slightly the responsibility
:49:30. > :49:32.of a woman who has been cheated on? How is it their responsibility? If
:49:33. > :49:36.you are in a relationship with another person it's 50/50. Sometimes
:49:37. > :49:40.an affair can throw things up that is wrong in your marriage. Sometimes
:49:41. > :49:43.sometimes it can be the break alled and you shouldn't be with that
:49:44. > :49:49.person without question. It depends. There are so many different types of
:49:50. > :49:52.affairs, Stephen. Heidi. Hello. The only thing that is being thrown up
:49:53. > :49:56.in a marriage if a man is cheating on the wife is hat wife should not
:49:57. > :50:00.be married to that man any more. Certainly not be apologising to the
:50:01. > :50:06.man because she is not behaving the way a wife is meant to. Why are we
:50:07. > :50:14.showing men as being the weaker sex in this argument? We are apologising
:50:15. > :50:17.for them. Things go wrong in marriages and long-term
:50:18. > :50:20.relationships. I understand that. Things aren't all sweetness and
:50:21. > :50:24.lights when you get married or start a relationship. If things go wrong
:50:25. > :50:28.talk about it with each other before you cross that line of being - of
:50:29. > :50:32.infidelity because it's very difficult to pull back from that
:50:33. > :50:36.whenever the physical line has been crossed. That is what you are
:50:37. > :50:40.talking about. Occasionally at Wife School I get women who say, I saw
:50:41. > :50:44.the signs. I was distant from my husband. I pushed him away
:50:45. > :50:49.physically. When a woman cheats, men would say, I wasn't doing what was
:50:50. > :50:55.need of me to make this relationship - What was he doinged in the
:50:56. > :50:59.marriage. Nothing, probably. That is judgmental. He should have been
:51:00. > :51:06.treating her more lovingly. Both sides of marriages and relationships
:51:07. > :51:11.- OK. Women are tired of bolstering men's egos. We have enough to do.
:51:12. > :51:15.The lady Why can't here. The man just end the relationship. He's
:51:16. > :51:20.obviously not happy in the marriage. So I think it's the least that his
:51:21. > :51:25.wife deserves. Why can't they be honest and open about it and
:51:26. > :51:31.upfront. They are cowards and use their wife as a safety net. Let us
:51:32. > :51:35.speak to Andrew Marshal, author and a marital therapist he says maybe
:51:36. > :51:42.the wronged woman should be the one saying sorry. Explain this to us, Mr
:51:43. > :51:47.Marshal. I have a book called - My Wife Doesn't Love Me Any More. I ask
:51:48. > :51:51.men to do the same thing. What do you do if you love your partner,
:51:52. > :51:55.yes, they have been unfaithful, you still want the marriage to go-ahead
:51:56. > :51:59.because you think there are good things about that marriage. The
:52:00. > :52:02.first thing you have to do is think about how the relationship will be
:52:03. > :52:05.different. The best way to start that is instead of saying - you have
:52:06. > :52:14.to do this? You have to change. I understand you will be angry gry, do
:52:15. > :52:17.all of that. You have to look at yourself. When you look back at your
:52:18. > :52:20.relationship, if there are things that you wish you had done
:52:21. > :52:24.differently, rather than just keeping it to yourself, apologise to
:52:25. > :52:29.your partner because what it will do - Andrew, wise up! You have written
:52:30. > :52:33.books about this, have you? Of course. You look at yourself and ask
:52:34. > :52:38.yourself why you haven't kicked this person out the door if they is have
:52:39. > :52:42.cheated on you. You expect them to say sorry while they have been
:52:43. > :52:46.cheated and betrayed and hurt. They are devastated? I don't even
:52:47. > :52:50.understand this Well, I think, you will find there are lots of people
:52:51. > :52:53.who have actually been in relationships where the other
:52:54. > :52:57.partner has cheated and they still want to be in that relationship. If
:52:58. > :53:01.you don't want to, that is fine. You don't need my help, you need a
:53:02. > :53:05.solicitor. Fine. If you want help you need a marital therapist. Fine.
:53:06. > :53:08.If they want to stay in the relationship they have to find a way
:53:09. > :53:13.of forgiving the cheat, not apologising to the cheat? Yes, of
:53:14. > :53:19.course, they have to forgive, but if you want to start a useful dialogue
:53:20. > :53:22.where you become a team together to save the marriage, rather than
:53:23. > :53:26.getting into criticising and being in the position of saying - I hate
:53:27. > :53:30.you, don't leave me. If you look at what you could do differently, you
:53:31. > :53:33.will find your partner will also start looking at what he could do
:53:34. > :53:37.differently as well and you have have a team to solve this. It's very
:53:38. > :53:44.well to shout and stamp, what comes next? I don't believe - If you have
:53:45. > :53:49.cheated on your partner you have devalued them in your mind. With
:53:50. > :53:52.your mistress and with your mates in the pub that you have been maybe
:53:53. > :53:57.been sharing stories about behind your wife's back. For her to
:53:58. > :54:01.apologise to you that is like a double whammy. I think the man
:54:02. > :54:09.should say sorry, not the wife. Of course the man would say sorry. As
:54:10. > :54:14.he packs his bags. Let us see what the audience makes of this. When two
:54:15. > :54:22.people enter a marriage they take vows to be faithful. If he cheats
:54:23. > :54:27.it's because he wants to. He husband held liableable for his actions? --
:54:28. > :54:32.liable for his actions. Of course he is liable. Women have a contribution
:54:33. > :54:36.to why their marriage has got to this point. Saying, I'm a victim and
:54:37. > :54:40.doing nothing is just saying, it's all the man's fault. Relationships
:54:41. > :54:43.break down because there is a problem with both partners. You are
:54:44. > :54:47.saying he is right. I thought the definition of a "victim" as I
:54:48. > :54:52.understand is they are the innocent party. You can't be an innocent
:54:53. > :54:56.party if the relationship is breaking down. You might be the
:54:57. > :55:00.perfect wife. If he is going to cheat on you and you are doing
:55:01. > :55:04.everything right. Kick him out of the door - Doing things right.
:55:05. > :55:08.Giving them enough sex is that what you mean? If that is top of your
:55:09. > :55:14.list. Yes. Communication, time together. Men want to feel special.
:55:15. > :55:18.This is about sex, isn't it? That is what this is about for whoever it
:55:19. > :55:23.is. Not enough sex - That is male quote. It's not just about sex. That
:55:24. > :55:31.is women - Why are they going elsewhere to cheat? Women want
:55:32. > :55:36.intimate. Men want to have sex. That is the break down. Women want to
:55:37. > :55:39.kiss and cuddle. It's so scary it might lead to sex, they don't want
:55:40. > :55:45.it. Men go right to the boarding gate. Women want a little bit of
:55:46. > :55:52.duty-free! Not all men are like that, come on! The man must have
:55:53. > :56:01.loved a woman enough to ask her to marry him thinking it must be to
:56:02. > :56:05.death we part or until the first time you fart under the duvet - I
:56:06. > :56:09.hate that word. There are so many temptations in this word. You are in
:56:10. > :56:14.the business. You are a handsome man, single, I heard - Can I assure
:56:15. > :56:19.you, I'm not in the business. Even - In the industry. All right! My point
:56:20. > :56:23.is this, so many temptations out. There you can be in the best
:56:24. > :56:27.marriage and still tempted. How did you feel as a mistress in that role?
:56:28. > :56:33.That is a whole other show. There you go. Let's thank our guests
:56:34. > :56:38.tonight. Give them a round of applause.
:56:39. > :56:44.APPLAUSE Right, now, before we do go tonight, I
:56:45. > :56:51.wanted to pay a very special tribute to a little boy who has captured our
:56:52. > :56:54.hearts in Northern Ireland. Sadly, Oscar Knox died last week, as lots
:56:55. > :57:00.of us know, from cancer. He was just five years of age. He was a star on
:57:01. > :57:05.our show. This show, back in February 2013. Here was this little
:57:06. > :57:08.boy in his Superman outfit, full of energy, the tubes and machines
:57:09. > :57:13.attached to him were reminding us what he was fighting. To his mum and
:57:14. > :57:14.dad, we are thinking about you, you were absolutely amazing parents.
:57:15. > :57:42.Let's just have a look at Oscar. Hold on a minute. Like this? Do we
:57:43. > :58:07.get to sleep at any stage, do we? Do you want to box me?
:58:08. > :58:16.He had a way of making you smile. You don't have been in his presence
:58:17. > :58:18.without smiling. I was very, very proud to know him. We will never
:58:19. > :58:33.forget him. A very, very special little boy and
:58:34. > :58:38.very, very special parents. I think that little boy united Northern
:58:39. > :58:41.Ireland. We're very proud of him and Stephen and Leona, we are thinking
:58:42. > :58:49.about you, night, night.